The Case of Homero Gomez Gonzalez and Feel-Good but Sad Ghost Stories

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Hi everyone. This is Christina and
Carmen and this is another episode of his

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Spooky Tales, the podcast for all
things this spooky, sometimes true crime.

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Today both and there's no MJ.
He had to visit some family and just

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so we don't get more behind,
and we have to record today again another

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contractual obligation. Yes, we both
have contractual obligations. Actually, yeah,

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I did want to say though,
before we read the listener's story or get

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into what today's topic is. Thank
you everyone for all the messages. I

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got so many messages. Again,
I guess if anyone doesn't follow us on

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social media, they probably don't know. But my dog passed away and I

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was too distraught to record for a
while. I felt facility being so sad,

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but I'm like, no, he
doesn't know. He was my little

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friend, you know, my little
he was a little member of the family.

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Yeah, exactly. And yeah,
so many listeners, so many spooky

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sent me messages. Some listeners had
just gone through the same exact thing,

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like a day before me or you
know, years ago, And I mean

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it doesn't matter when or you know
what, like it still hurts. So

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thank you so much everyone who sent
me messages and yeah, it just it

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meant a lot to me. So
yeah, that's why we didn't record.

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And I'm much better now. I'm
used to not having my little Kobe in

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the house. It took a while, though, yeah, because he followed

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me everywhere. That dog, he
was like a what's the thing is spanished

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like a ompeg to the chicler or
chicler like you tell someone like that's your

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gum because they don't leave you alone. And that was Kobe. He literally

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followed me everywhere from the moment we
picked him up from the shelter, like

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he climbed into my little lap and
or he was like this is my person.

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Yeah, and he just like I
was the first person he went to,

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and he just followed me everywhere.
So yeah, I picked up his

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ashes. They gave us this cute
little poem and then a little piece of

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his first poem. Yeah, it's
like the Rainbow Bridge poem basically like,

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oh, all dogs go to like
this little piece of heaven. And they

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played together up there and then and
I'm saying it all wrong, but right

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one day the dog pauses from it
playtime and it turns over to look at

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the rainbow bridge and you're like walking
across your little dog there. Yeah,

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I've heard of it. Yes,
and I cried more when I got all

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that stuff. But yeah, but
I'm doing now. I'm good now.

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Yeah. And then one more update
before we get to the listener story.

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Last episode was on the nursery rhyme. I said mostly about Santa Sanaa and

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I did get a message from a
listener that I wanted to share, so

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USU sent us an email. He
said, Okay, So I don't know

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anything for fact, but I have
a theory with regards to Santa sana A

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few years ago, I took a
trip to Galicia to see where my colonizer

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side came from. Oh my god, Okay. While touring the town of

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Vigo, I came across a petro
glyph with the placard on it. Near

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it, the placard stated, and
I'm perfect here. That area is one

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of the oldest sites of the Gaelic
Celtic people. So my theory is that

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Santa Santa came from the Gaelic Celtic
cultures which existed in Spain and then made

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its way up to Ireland. Oh
I didn't know that, which now kind

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of makes sense with the whole Someone
said, how it came from Ireland.

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Oh if that's right, Yeah,
if these groups of people were in both

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places, yeah that makes sense.
Yeah, well we believe you one hundred

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percent. Oh yeah, theory confirmed
us. Then he went on to say,

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I'm from Los Altos, Helisco,
which was once part of a reno,

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the Nueva Galicia. But you and
I are familiar with Carmen because we

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talked about we did on Estadias Unknown
Godless and know there. Yes, that

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was a very fun episode, so
I highly recommend it, if you know,

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just for that episode alone. It
was about a colonizer who basically set

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up Nueva and Galicia. So yeah, but yeah, honestly this kind of

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supports both that it could have been
from Ireland and Spain. So yeah,

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I like it. Thank you so
much for sainetic and subscribing to this theory.

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Yeah yeah, and then he signed
off, anyhow, I could be

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entirely wrong, but okay, Sabbath, thanks so swet Cain Saba anything I

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know? I don't you know,
sannaa. So yeah, that was that

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was a fun story too, or
fun email to read. And yeah,

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okay, listener story, I guess
ST's just say today's topic. A listener

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sent a message on Instagram asking if
we could cover the murder of Ometo Gomez

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Gonzales and him and his story and
the butterflies itself. I had that topic

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say for your estoria as a known
because I was like, this is historic.

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But then the documentary came out on
Netflix, and since the listener asked,

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I was like, yeah, sure, Carmen will write up these notes

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because she has contractual obligations. Yeah. She actually, she's the one with

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Netflix. Also a Netflix subscription that
I tried to get Christina on but don't

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work out ever since they did their
w freak Netflix no Sharin account. Yeah

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blame. So yeah, that's what
today's topic is. So yeah, it

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is a true crime episode. Some
people don't like that, so you know,

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feel free to skip this one though
it is a very like, you

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know, important case. So yeah, before we get to that, of

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course, I do have the listener's
story, and I skip a bunch of

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other stories because this one. When
I got the email, the subject line

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said feel good ghost stories, and
I was so sad. Of course I'm

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over my dog who doesn't like it
feel good. Yeah, so I was

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like, I'm immediate. I have
to read these. So yeah, and

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if you have a story that you
want us to read on the podcast,

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you can email Espookitos at gmail dot
com. You can submit it on our

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discord. We actually got a couple
submissions on discord. I was very excited,

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so you know, be reading those
in the future. You can set

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it through Instagram. I have another
really good one that was sent to me

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on Instagram, but I want MJ
to be here to react to it.

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So yeah. I mean a bunch
of stories coming in and I love it,

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so send them in. There's a
number this pooky hotline in the show

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notes. There's a lot of options
to get us stories. Okay, so

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here goes the story that we got
from Chris, and thank you Chris for

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sending it in. He starts out, thought i'd share my stories with you

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and feel free to put them on
the podcast. They're actually feel good stories,

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not scary ones. Thank you for
doing your podcast. I look forward

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to my drive to work on Fridays. I'm really sorry for such long email,

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but once I started talking about it
all, I just kept going.

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I don't like physically talking about it
because my voice breaks. I get it.

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Oh my god, I'm the biggestrivay
pa. Yes, I know.

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That's why I have a sweater that
says Chiyona, because I am the same.

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Yeah. So yes, we understand
that I get teary eyed. But

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now I have to hide here at
work because I don't want people asking me

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why my eyes are watery. All
right, so here we go. The

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first story. My dog passed away
two years ago from cancer, not a

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dog story recipes. I know I'm
gonna cry now. Oh God. When

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we moved into our new house,
I built her a new doghouse because my

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little girl deserves one too. Oh
oh my god. I made it into

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a farmhouse style with vinyl flooring and
tng wood panels. This sounds hella fancy.

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Yeah, you could rent that out. I made a six feet long

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so she could have space for her
warm bed and also could lay out on

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the vinyl flooring if she got too
warm. I wanted to put a small

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AC unit in there, but my
wife said I was sewey too much because

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our condos didn't have an AC.
But I watered it for the dog.

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On the night that we had to
put her down, it took me forever

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to go to sleep because I kept
talking to her about how I missed her

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and how I will always appreciate how
she would listen cuddle up with me when

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I would go out to her in
the middle of the night to talk.

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I was so nervous and happy about
becoming a father, but I was scared

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that I wouldn't do a good job. She would comfort me. Tearing up

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a little bit thinking about this,
I'm gonna cry. I didn't know it.

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When I finally got to sleep,
I woke up randomly because I heard

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the sound of her pause moving on
the vinyl flooring and and get comfortable and

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cool, like I had heard her
very often. But when I closed my

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eyes, I remembered that she had
passed away a few hours prior to that.

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I sat up and still heard it. I wanted to go to her

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house and check, but I felt
like she came to visit to comfort me,

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to let me know she was still
there with me. I told my

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wife about that in the morning,
and she looked so surprised because she told

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me she heard it too, but
at a different time than night. Oh

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wow, that's so precious. Oh
my god, I wing to cry.

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I know. Okay, let's take
a moment to bring together as I'm worry.

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I know. Okay, that's beautiful. Oh my god. Yeah.

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Second story. Wow, okay,
a lot of death here. I'm so

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sorry for all of your losses.
Oh okay. Second story. My father

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passed away in August twenty twenty three. He lost his fight with alcoholism.

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He had been sober for five years. Oh, this is very hard to

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for me right now, I know, okay, all right. If he

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had been sober for five years or
so, after going to a year long

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rehab and against our wishes and recommendations, he felt he was strong enough to

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handle a beer every now and then
that happens. Yeah, but that quickly

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changed. When I was nineteen,
we gave him the choice to stop drinking

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or leave the house. Within a
few seconds, he said, well,

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I'm not going to stop drinking and
walked out on all four of us.

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Oh my god. It was at
that moment I promised myself that when I

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became a father, I will never
make my child feel like I love a

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bottle more than them. Fast forward
to twenty twenty, when my son was

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a toddler. My dad was back
to his old ways. When I had

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called him because I needed to tell
him how I felt that as a father,

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how could you possibly choose something over
your child? And while screaming into

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the phone louder than I had ever
yelled at any Marine Corps recruits. Okay,

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this is serious because marine uh dress, what are they called? Droll

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and st They're notat real sergeants like
an army. You don't want a marine

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to come mail at you. Please
don't yell correct say the wrong thing.

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Yes you know they are not yelling. Yeah, no, we know.

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So I understand this now. So
how could he stop for those strangers in

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rehab not for his own damn family? That's hard, That's hard. I'm

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sure he quickly came to their defense
and said they were there for him,

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not us. I was so mad
I hung up the phone and went inside

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to be alone with my guitar.
Against my wishes, my wife caused my

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best friend, who knows all about
this, to take me out for some

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food and to talk. So glad
she did because I needed it. I

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love her for being there for me, and my best friend for everything they've

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done. From that night on,
I gave up on being mad at him

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because I poured my heart and sold
that to him. With everything I had

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held in for years, trying to
avoid hurting his feelings. I realized he

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was going to die soon, and
I wanted my last years with him to

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not be on bad terms. The
night he passed, we stayed at his

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house in Santa Barbara, California.
Well everyone was downstairs. I went to

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his bedside and kneeled down holding his
pillow, trying to talk to him and

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tell him I was sorry for all
those years. I was so mad at

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him. I was so sorry for
telling him that after he left us,

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he was not a father to me
when he tried to tell me what to

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do one time. I was sorry
for not texting or calling Moore. I

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was sorry for everything, and to
please, please give me a sign that

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he could hear me. I got
nothing in that moment. That night,

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I fell asleep tearing up listening to
all his voicemails because I felt guilty.

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I had saved them because I knew
one day this time would come and I

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wanted to still hear his voice.
I was woken up that night by the

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feeling of someone sitting on the edge
of the bed. I sat up and

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turned and looked to my left and
still saw my wife laying on her side

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sleeping. I looked forward and didn't
see anything, but I felt pressure around

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my arms, as if I was
getting a strong, loving hug that lasted

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a few seconds. I couldn't see
my dad, but I felt his presence.

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I woke up that morning and I
felt like I had a huge weight

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lifted off my shoulders. And then
my dad came to me to let me

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know everything was okay. Sorry,
we're like Carmen's crying. That's why I'm

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laughing. Now I say he's up
there walking my dog for me. I

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need Oh my god, I do
not expect to cry this much. No,

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no, okay, now he say
he's up there walking my dog for

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me, since he tried to say
she liked him more, okay pause.

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My dad, whenever he visited,
always try to walk my dog, but

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my dog was so picky. He
would only let me walk him, and

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my dad would pick him up to
try and take Kobe to walk. He

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would try to force his love on
him. Oh my god, yeah,

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oh wow? Was that who made
us cry like Kevin made us cry last?

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Oh my god, that's right,
we did cry. And now then

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and now Chris, Chris, Chris
is making us cry again. Oh my

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god, So let me scroll down. I just wanted to say it's so

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hard for people children and loved ones
of people who suffer from addiction and substance

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use issues, Like it's so hard
for them to feel like, oh they

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love this more than me. But
you know, people with addictions and substance

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use issues, dependencies and all that, they you know, they don't want

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to choose the drugs over their loved
ones and they feel a lot of shame

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around that. But and then likewise, their loved ones feel like, you

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know, all of this anger.
And I'm just glad that you know,

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Chris was able to get that final
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oh I forgive you. I'm going
to cry. Yeah. Yeah, no,

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I agree completely, and that he
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yeah, because that's so difficult.
Yeah. And I mean Kurma used to

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work in like the addiction space.
Yeah. So oh man, Okay,

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okay, there's story not as long
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I've wanted to stand these separately for
a while, but it was holding off

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because I didn't want to tear up
talking about them. My dad was a

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huge Carlo Santana fan, and he
made me one of those so that we

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would bond over the music. I
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son. Oh, I love that. It's cool. Yeah, what a

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good middle name? Like I just
I can't get over this, Okay.

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So I went to Vegas with my
wife to see Carlos at the House of

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Blues this past January and wore my
dad's belt and hand it off a picture

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of my parents at age seventeen in
Tijuana and a picture of my son.

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I just missed giving it to Carlos
on stage, but I gave it to

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one of his road crew members.
He read it, hugged me and told

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me to wait here after the concert. He was going to give me one

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of Carlos's guitar picks that he used
that night. I have it, and

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it's one of my favorite possessions.
I left my Instagram phone number and email

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hoping he'd call, and I'm still
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Yeah, let's tag Carlos Santana.
Let's make this a clip and tag Carlos

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Santana. In the days leading up
to the concert, I was relearning oh

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Yakomova on my guitar and while standing
in the same spot, always stand in

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when I play and never smell my
dad's instances that I got from his room.

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I smell them very strongly. When
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the solo, I started to cry
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was there telling me to play louder, to play louder, Miko, but

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I knew he was happy to hear
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instrumental song for him that I'm still
working on because on his deathbed I had

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Samba Patti, Flora, Luna and
El Ropa. I don't know these titles.

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I'm like, I will say,
I only know the one song you

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just said, oh me too,
and the other one about a girl or

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something like Maria. I don't remember. Yeah, I know the name you're

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talking about. I also don't remember
the name okay so and Elba playing for

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him on my phone. It came
to me one day because I was trying

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to make something up for him,
but I was drawing a blank and was

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in frustrated. I went and grabbed
my Carlos and Tana guitar pick, and

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within a few seconds, the main
riff of the song just came out for

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me, came out to me,
came out of me, came out of

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me. Sorry. I started jamming
on it for a while and was tearing

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up, but this time it was
happy tears because I know my dad would

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have loved to have me on FaceTime
playing that for his family in Mexico like

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he loved to do because he was
so proud of me. I would give

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anything to play my guitar for my
dad just one more time. And here's

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does some pictures if we want to
look at them. I emailed you sent

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you. Yeah. So the picture
of his parents together. Oh, they're

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so cute. You the dog.
Wow. Seriously, thank you so much

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for all these stories and for making
us cry. And seriously, it's it's

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amazing to have been able to,
you know, get one more hug,

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Like, what a what a gift? Uh wow, I I'm was gonna

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cry again. I know me too. Wow, beautiful stories. Thank you

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for sharing. Yes, Okay,
let's take a little out break here and

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get ourselves together and we're back all
right. So I think we're ready for

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your notes here. Yeah. So
we are talking about Omelo Gomez Gonzales today.

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He is also known as the Guardian
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also the name of the documentary on
Netflix that I watched, and most of

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these notes are from but I did
also use a few articles and all of

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that will be in the description whatever
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Show notesscription notes? And I knew
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YouTube is description and show okay,
podcast apps, Okay, well it'll be

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there. I will say I was
watching the documentary and I didn't quite catch

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all of Ometo's family's names, so
we'll be saying Ometo's son, Ometo's wife,

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Ometo's brother, all of that,
because you know, it was really

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bad at catching all the names.
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and they tried looking up the relatives
name after and I didn't find anything,

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so and I was like, I'm
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their names. So anyway, yeah, so the documentary is Guardian of the

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Monarchs. But yeah, before we
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monarch butterfly. Honestly, they're like
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I've been wanting the tattoo of them
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and we're gonna talk a little bit
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say, what do they represent to
me? It brings images to myer Cary.

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butterfly, and also the immigration movement. So so yeah, I mean so

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much so every year since the last
I say, can you believe it?

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The ice age? Yeah? Wow. The monarch butterflies embark on a two

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thousand to three in male journey from
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forests of Central Mexico, transcending man
made borders, and because of this journey,

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they have become a symbol for immigrant
rights, and they also have huge

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significance in many cultures. The arrival
of the monarch who Mexico coincides with the

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Yells, Mortos and the Ottomi and
Masawa. People believe that the butterflies carried

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the souls of their diseased love ones
visiting them from the afterlife. Isn't that

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beautiful? That is the most beautiful
thing I've ever heard. Oh my god,

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this episode is just full of beautiful
things. So much to death,

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but like beautiful things about death.
Yeah wow, that's yeah, that's amazing.

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Yeah, it's very it's very I
don't know, like meant for today

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because I went to a very not
that fucking wordingg in real you and today

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and then you had you know,
Kobe just passed away. I don't know

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it just in our listeners stories.
It's actually perfect for this episode. This

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is very an MJ would know the
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synchronosity. I don't know. Actually, I don't even know if I'm using

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that right, I don't know,
but yeah, it's right that yeah,

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yeah. A Buddha bitcha legend teaches
that the butterflies carry the spirits of warriors

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and that the flapping of their wings
relays messages from the afterlife, and the

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monarchs are sacred to indigenous groups in
the United States too. For the Hope

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People, monarch butterflies are painted on
Hopee Kachina dolls and hopefully I'm pronouncing those

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right, which are given as gifts
in Hope a feature abundance and health,

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and the Hopie also have a butterfly
dance, which is danced for rain,

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good health, and long life.
And the black Foot people associate butterflies with

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sleep and dreaming and would decorate cradles
with butterflies to help babies sleep, or

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embroider a butterfly on a small piece
of buckskin and tied in the baby's hair

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to help them sleep. Oh my
god, that's that's so cute. Yeah.

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And then there is also let me
see one of the articles. I

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don't know why I didn't write it
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sitting bull and he had a monarch
butterfly on his hat. Wow. That's

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just like such a powerful image.
Mm hm wow. And that's on the

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saveur monarchs dot org link for anyone
who wants to click on that. Okay,

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So, these beautiful butterflies hold widespread
significance across many cultures, and they

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held great significance to one man.
Ometo Gomez Gonsalez also Ometo, was an

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environmental activist, agricultural engineer, and
politician who managed the Edosadio Monarch Butterfly Preserve,

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which is a part of the Monarch
Butterfly Biosphere Reserve located in western metrok

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Gan. Omeedo grew up in this
area and was born into a logging family.

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Following his family's tradition, Ometo became
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the people from Dosadio. Logging maintained
the local economy. Environmentalists soon began to

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logging in Rosadio since deforestation was negatively
impacting the primary habitat of the butterflies.

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And at the time, the townspeople
from Rosaidio, including Ometo, felt threatened

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by the environmentalists and they felt that
their livelihoods were being threatened, which I

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mean they were. Yeah, And
this is a problem with a lot of

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environmental activism that it ignores, you
know, the economies that have been yeah,

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for standing and yeah, or forced
upon people. We a long time

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ago did an episode only started as
a known about gum. But gum is

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the same situation where it becomes this
like huge booming economy. It gets sold

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everywhere else, and then the people
mining it or gathering this resource, that's

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the job they depend on. They
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so that this is the only available
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then these industries are problematic, but
then at the same time these people were

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forced to depend on it. It's
this like terrible thing that you can blame

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on colonization. Yeah, and a
lot of times too, when the environmental

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activism does not come from the community
that relies on these sources, then they

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there's like no plan for them,
an alternative plan for them to make money

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and all of that too. So
yeah. But at the same time,

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Ometo grew up at marrying the monarch
butterflies, as he had been told by

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his grandparents that the butterflies carried the
souls of their ancestors. Eventually, Ometo

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went on to study agricultural engineering at
the Chapingo Autonomous University. I wonder if

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that's right or if that was an
autocrime, but whatever, this is what

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it is. Notes he changed his
mind about logging and convinced like through his

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education and stuff and convinced other villagers
who do the same. In order to

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protect the butterflies, Ometo realized that
preserving the monarchs could bring in tourism tourosidio

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or replacing the revenue that would be
lost from logging. So seeing sustaining oh

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my god, yeah, sustaining the
communities tendency on the oh okay, amazing.

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And Ometo became the commissioner of Osado
and I think if I got the

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timelines right, this is when he
and the community codified the preservation of the

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monarchs by limiting logging and later outlining
entirely. And I think it was when

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he was the commissioner, which is
like another word for mayor, but because

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this is just such a small town, they call it commissioner. But anyway,

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I think it was when he was
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and people were not happy with him. I bet. Yeah. So Ometo

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also started working alongside the World Wildlife
Fund on conservation initiatives and to promote the

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sanctuary, and Ometo's son helped him
film videos about the butterflies and to promote

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the sanctuary and with social media in
general, and there's a lot of there's

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a popular video that's actually filmed either
the day before the day that Ometo went

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missing that I'm sure a lot of
people have seen by now, where Tim

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standing amongst the butterflies, and there's
so many butterflies, like so many.

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Ometo's son described Ometo as loving and
a joker. Some of his first memories

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were of them going to the forests
together to see the butterflies. Yeah,

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so we talked about how logging affected
the monarch butterfly population, like the deforestation,

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the lost their habitat and yeah,
I had nowhere to go, nowhere

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to I don't know what they call
it. Nest it's not nesting. Live,

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I don't know live. Yeah,
habitat no, And yeah, like

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I had mentioned, not everyone in
Metrokan cared about or were happy with these

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changes. And they cared about profit. That's what they saw when they sell

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the trees and money even when logging
was outlawed. And this is where cartels

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come in. So as we know, Metra Khan is infamous for its cartels.

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There are at least fourteen criminal groups
active and on record around Rosario and

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these include Los Correa at Los Viagras
really yeah, Cartel Jalisco, Nova,

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he Neracies, Metrova Carts and Pajeros
de la Sierra, among others. But

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these are the ones they mentioned in
the documentary. So most of us know

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that cartels make their money from drugs, but in this region and I mean

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other areas in Mexico too, their
business also expanded to illegal timber export extortion,

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providing protection for US timber companies operating
in the area and also growing avocados.

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They would export the timber that they
obtained from illegal logging, and then

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they would burn that area they cleared, they deforced it basically in order to

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grow avocados, rendering it useless.
Like then no more trees could be planted

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there either, yeah, yeah,
obliterating the home of the monarchy, yes,

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yeah. And then the cartels would
also steal water from the communities for

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avocado cultivation. So at night,
these cartels would illegally go into the forest

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and the sanctuary and a Metal along
with other men for mental Stadio, including

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his family, like his brothers,
they defended the sanctuary against the cartel.

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A Metal used to encourage the people
to protect the trees by telling them they

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can't kill us. All. They
would arm themselves with rifles, bats,

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macetas, whatever they could and throw
hands and get into gunfights with the cartel.

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Oh my god. Yeah, And
unfortunately, you make a lot of

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enemies when you go against the cartel. And I feel like we talked,

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I don't know a lot of kind
of like we've you've had a lot of

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episodes about they come up in these
true crime cases because they don't just sell

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drugs, like you were just saying, extortion, and part of the extortion

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is taking not just women, but
a lot of the victims end up being

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women pulling them for ransom or just
you know, because of how they are.

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They these women end up with like
a cartel member. People join the

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cartel, Like we saw in the
case of Ruby and her mom that the

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boyfriend ends up joining the cartel because
she's not giving up on trying to get

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him arrested and they end up killing
her. Like it's this. Yeah,

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it's just a huge, huge,
violent problem, and it transcends into like

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all these other things that we've covered
on the podcast. It's it's just crazy

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that they're like they just come up
and everything. Yeah. Yeah. As

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a leader of the community, Ometo
became a target. After catching the illegal

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loggers, o Metal press charges against
them and raise awareness through the media and

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continue to campaign against illegal logging.
Pretty soon, the cartels started to get

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mad at Ometal for calling attention to
their enlisting activities, and he began getting

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00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:45.039
death threats. Omto was even kidnapped
when he first ran for office, but

406
00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:51.160
that didn't stop his fight against the
cartels and their illegal logging. Man Yeah,

407
00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:53.440
Ometo even said that as long as
he was alive, he wouldn't permit

408
00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:59.279
organized crime to take over the forest. Wow. Tensions were rising, and

409
00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:03.559
soon community members were abducted and found
dead the next day. Oh my god,

410
00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:07.480
all to try and get him to
stop and to let them do what

411
00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:11.759
they want to do. Yeah.
At one point, the sanctuary even closed

412
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:17.000
its doors to millions of tourists to
demand help from the authorities and dealing with

413
00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:21.119
illegal logging. But per usual,
the government was in cahoots with the cartel.

414
00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:25.799
Of course. In the Netflix documentary, they mentioned that four out of

415
00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:30.519
the last five mayors of mitchrok Ghan
had connections with the cartels, and as

416
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:34.440
a government official, Ometo mingled with
the mayor of metrok Ghn and other like

417
00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:40.079
more local government government officials also,
so it's possible that many of his peers

418
00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:44.920
were colluding with the same cartels that
wanted Ometo dead. Wow. In the

419
00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:48.839
afternoon of January thirteenth, twenty twenty, Ometo went to a meeting in the

420
00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:52.720
village of Nsordado. Then on his
way back home, he picked up his

421
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:56.519
son and dropped him off at the
bus stop. Little did Ometo San know

422
00:29:56.680 --> 00:30:00.519
that this was the last time he
would see his father alive. After dropping

423
00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:04.400
his son off at the bus stop, Ometo went to the local horse races

424
00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:08.240
which were part of the fair,
and it was kind of like a tradition

425
00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:15.319
or customary for the local government officials
to attend the horse races and the fair,

426
00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:18.759
and there he mingled with his political
peers and took pictures with many of

427
00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:26.440
them, including Elizabeth Guzman, Jorge
Arroyo, Octavio Ocampo, and Karina Vrado.

428
00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:30.279
Ometo's family started to get worried around
nine to ten PM because they were

429
00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:34.240
worried when it was well. They
started to get worried around that time,

430
00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:37.920
nine to ten pm because he hadn't
came home yet and normally he would be

431
00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:41.279
home by then, but they were
even more worried when it was four am

432
00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:45.319
and he still hadn't come home.
Ometo's wife and son weren't able to reach

433
00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:48.839
him by phone, so his son
called law enforcement to report him missing,

434
00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:53.759
and law enforcement told the family.
I don't know what time law enforcement went

435
00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:56.079
out, it was the next day
or what. They told the family that

436
00:30:56.119 --> 00:30:59.920
they had no trace of a metal
or his car. But the next day

437
00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:02.920
Ometal's sister went to the fairgrounds and
it saw his car there, So I

438
00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:06.599
don't know, so no, they
knew they knew, yeah, they knew

439
00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:10.039
something was wrong or they were part
of it, part of the plan,

440
00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:12.759
like there's no way. So it
seemed like right from the beginning that law

441
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:18.759
enforcement was not too interested in finding
O metal or and being diligent about their

442
00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:22.000
investigation or search for him. Omeedo's
brother even went to the media to speak

443
00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:26.920
out against law enforcement for their handling
of the case. But the community came

444
00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:30.000
together to do law forcement's job and
scout, you know, the area.

445
00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:34.640
Three hundred of them came together to
search the forest for a metal but they

446
00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:38.759
didn't find him. Nothing was found. So the next day, on January

447
00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:45.960
fourteenth, Ometo's son called Ometo's phone
and someone answered saying that Ometo forgot his

448
00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:51.440
phone at the bar. And I
don't remember how much time passed after this,

449
00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:53.519
but I don't think it was too
long. Maybe some days, but

450
00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:57.119
I don't remember. I didn't like
write it down. But Ometo's wife got

451
00:31:57.160 --> 00:32:00.240
a phone call for a ransom.
They said they had a medal and they

452
00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:05.119
were demanding San mili PSOs, and
they sent her a picture of a medal

453
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:09.240
kneeling on the ground, surrounded by
men dressed in military gear pointing their guns

454
00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:14.279
at him. So at this point
the family was in communication with law enforcement

455
00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:16.799
and law enforcement adviser to not give
them the money because they could be a

456
00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:21.559
hoax because a lot of that had
been going on too. Despite law enforcement

457
00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:24.279
advising her against it, she agreed
to obtain the money and drop it off

458
00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:29.240
at the location. She just wandered
her husband back. Yeah, I mean,

459
00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:31.440
this was out of desperation. So
she dropped the money off at the

460
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:36.880
location that they told her to.
But when the cops tracked where the phone

461
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:39.400
calls were coming from, it was
from a prison in tal Malipas, so

462
00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:44.640
it was just a scam. A
couple of weeks later, the entire police

463
00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:50.200
forces of Ocampo and a Gangueo so
like nearby because these are all villages.

464
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:55.359
How villages, Yeah, so nearby
pueblos. The entire police force were brought

465
00:32:55.400 --> 00:33:00.640
in for questioning and were being investigated
for a Metal's disappearance because fifty three of

466
00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:05.400
the officers so the total force,
was in charge of security at the horse

467
00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:09.519
race and the fair, so someone
would have had to see him, so

468
00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:15.039
they were in charge of security where
he was last seen. And there was

469
00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:19.759
also a pattern from even before Metal
of police being involved with disappearances, but

470
00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:24.640
no arrests were made. All of
the law enforcement officers that were questions said

471
00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:29.279
that either they left early, like
before he was lasting, or that they

472
00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:31.839
didn't see anything. But still very
fishy. Yeah, of course. On

473
00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:37.599
January twenty ninth, twenty twenty,
Omedo's brother got a call from law enforcement

474
00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:42.079
letting him know to come to Ensordado, where Ometo was lasting, because a

475
00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:45.359
body was found. The body was
found in a well, faced down six

476
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:51.759
meters deep. Omedo's brother recognized the
pants immediately, but confirmed his worst nightmare

477
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:54.400
when the body was pulled out and
he saw that it was Omedal. Ometo's

478
00:33:54.480 --> 00:34:00.480
brother called the family to inform them. In the documentary, Ometo's wife says

479
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:04.359
that she was glad he was found
because others go missing and are never found.

480
00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:08.760
And she said, can stand nivivoss
And yeah, that just made me

481
00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:15.559
think of all the what for that
to just come back because of all the

482
00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:20.039
things we've covered on our podcast.
Oh yeah, I keep forgetting We're not

483
00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:25.960
uh this is to say we covered
so many topics like this. Yeah,

484
00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:36.360
disappearances is something that these governments regimes
use to control the people and suppress And

485
00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:38.320
you know, I'm trying to remember. I think it was when we talked

486
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:46.119
about Atsusena when they questioned the it
wasn't Argentina, right, yes, this

487
00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:52.000
was Argentina who was the dictator.
I don't remember the prison right now,

488
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:54.000
but it was a military junta.
But yeah, yeah, you know,

489
00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:58.360
one person in charge. So I
don't remember when they if they asked,

490
00:34:58.360 --> 00:35:01.679
like a top military person or the
dictator about the bodies, but I am

491
00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:06.119
I think this was when he said
can stan nib wasn't even what those they're

492
00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:10.800
just gone. Yeah, and like
I mean every distatorship, because even Pinochet

493
00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:16.199
and Chile would say the same thing. Yeah, yeah, just very very

494
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:20.719
I don't know, and you know
what this is. I mean, this

495
00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:24.599
is something we're seeing. We saw
it happened during the civil war, but

496
00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:29.280
it's happening right now. Oh yeah. And we've talked about this podcast but

497
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:32.239
umo and it has a longer name. I'll put it in the show notes.

498
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:35.559
But the way the podcast starts,
it's like this is a true crime

499
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:37.880
podcast, but it's so much more
than that. Thana is the host,

500
00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:44.159
and it is talking about this case
that was huge intrue crime media news like

501
00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:46.840
Reddit. It was on there about
all these bodies that were found in this

502
00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:52.480
cops former cops home, but like, yeah, some of it was him.

503
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:57.760
But I don't think people understand the
like seriousness and the issue of disappearances

504
00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:02.440
done by both the government and the
gangs who sometimes are working together in kahoots.

505
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:07.360
Yeah, yes, And people praise
book it right now because it's so

506
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:10.039
safe, but like, and how
many times have we said this safe for

507
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:15.800
who certainly not that disappeared, who
are sometimes never found. Yeah, And

508
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:20.760
it's such a horrible thing to do
to someone, and because their loved ones,

509
00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:27.480
Like there's so much ritual and I
don't know ancestral like traditions in burying

510
00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:30.840
somebody, right, there's so much
tied to that, so much emotion and

511
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:32.880
so much like if like we need
we need to bury this person, like

512
00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:37.119
to honor their life and to say
goodbye to them and to let them rest

513
00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:42.079
in peace or however, people you
know have different ways of doing that.

514
00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:45.119
But with nobody, they can't do
that. It's taken away from them.

515
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:49.880
Yeah, even that the person is
taken away from them and then they're all

516
00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:54.159
this it's all taken from them,
and it's just it's infuriating to like,

517
00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:58.639
you know, hear about, because
yeah, it's something that is just so

518
00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:04.039
common in Latin America and we didn't
translate it. But for anyone that doesn't

519
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:07.000
speak Spanish, nibe wasn't even what
it means. Neither alive nor dead,

520
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:12.559
just gone, just disappeared. Yeah, So there were conflicting reports about the

521
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:15.440
condition of Ometal's body and the cause
of death. Her law enforcement, the

522
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:21.519
cause of death was drowning and no
external injuries were found. It was theorized

523
00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:25.280
by law enforcement that Ometal fell on
his head, but the blow to its

524
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:29.760
head was not the cause of death. The corner, though, disagreed with

525
00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:35.039
law enforcement and noted that the investigation
was poorly conducted. The corner believes that

526
00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:38.760
something fishy was going on because he
believed that even with the cold weather conditions

527
00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:45.440
of the season, Ometo's body should
have been deteriorated and unrecognizable by that point,

528
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:50.559
because it had been what three weeks
at that point, so meaning he

529
00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:53.599
was kept somewhere else, right,
That's what the corner believes, because if

530
00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:58.039
he was truly there. It also, mind you, three hundred people searched

531
00:37:58.079 --> 00:38:01.760
this area and for ready thing.
Yeah, but if he had truly been

532
00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:07.559
there, the whole time in the
elements for three weeks, his body would

533
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:12.679
not have been recognizable. But law
enforcement believes that Omato's body didn't decompose because

534
00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:14.840
of the cold weather. But again
the corners like, no, it doesn't

535
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:16.760
work like that, Like he still
would have decomposed, and who would know

536
00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:22.199
better the fucking corner man. Yeah, oh my god. Uh, but

537
00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:25.800
law enforcement is adamant. Even in
the fucking documentary. He's like, we

538
00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:29.280
did everything right. Maybe, man, I'm like, shut up, shut

539
00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:31.039
up. No. And of course
they're saying now they're trying to get with

540
00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:35.840
their triumphs because they probably has something
to do with this. I'm sure Ometo's

541
00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:42.000
family believes that the government officials Ometo
spent his last hours with no more than

542
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:45.039
they're letting on or were somehow involved
in its disappearance and death. Yeah.

543
00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:47.880
I was gonna say, when you
were reading those names, like, certainly

544
00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:52.719
these people probably were either knew this
was gonna happen or help the planet.

545
00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:58.639
Yeah, yeah, because you know
they're so they're tied with these cartels and

546
00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:01.000
with these with the silly logging all
of this, and yeah, and I'm

547
00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:05.760
like Ometo was like these were his
peers politically, but he was not,

548
00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:09.320
you know, on the same I
don't know, mindset and level as them.

549
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:15.119
Like he was from his community very
much like grassroots, like with his

550
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:20.679
people, very much about his activism
going against what they wanted. Yeah.

551
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:24.079
Yeah. And then there were a
few other things told to the family by

552
00:39:24.199 --> 00:39:28.840
law enforcement that didn't sit right with
them. For example, when Ometo's belongings

553
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:32.760
were returned to his family, Ometo's
keys were not among the belongings, and

554
00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:37.519
when law enforcement returned the keys days
later, they told the family that the

555
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:40.920
keys weren't found with the rest of
his belongings because they had been buried.

556
00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:45.800
But when they returned the keys to
the family, there was no dirt and

557
00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:49.440
no evidence. They were clean.
Yeah, they were clean, Like somebody

558
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:52.760
had these keys. Yeah. Out
of the government officials that were lasting with

559
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:59.119
Ometo, only Andlizabeth allowed herself to
be interviewed by the police because Karina and

560
00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:04.480
Octavio each filed a writ of protection, meaning that they had legal protection against

561
00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:08.800
being interrogated or investigated about metals disappearance. So I guess this is a thing

562
00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:14.199
politicians can file to not be interviewed
about something or investigative about something. I

563
00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:15.679
don't know. It sounds like that
shouldn't be allowed. Yeah, and now

564
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:22.679
it could come historically from like that's
true, that's true. We talked about

565
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:27.679
God, we had five or six
episodes on Chile. That's right. Some

566
00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:32.880
of the people that were at fault
who committed all these human rights crimes,

567
00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:38.760
it was very hard to charge them
because later later, because of these rules

568
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:44.159
that were set in place and laws
about how you couldn't just arrest people because

569
00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:50.159
dictatorships and dictators to get into power
were arresting people for no reason. So

570
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:54.679
that's why later it's very hard to
then actually pin something on someone that they

571
00:40:54.719 --> 00:40:59.559
did or maybe had a pardon.
You can't even question them because of these

572
00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:02.119
others that have happened in the past. But it's very suspicious that they would

573
00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:06.559
do that, Like I mean,
of course, everyone has a right to

574
00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:09.920
not talk to law enforcement. But
it's fishy because I mean one of them

575
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:15.280
did, Atlisabeth, And you know, she came out not as a person

576
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:19.440
of interests or anything after her interview, so yeah, and even she thought

577
00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:22.000
it was weird that they would file
that. Yeah, it's it's not a

578
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:28.800
good look. No. An Another
weird thing is that ometo had supposedly forgotten

579
00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:32.039
his phone and tablet at the bar, but at lastab It says Ometo had

580
00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:37.440
his phone in tablet the whole time, and his family says he never put

581
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:39.760
his phone or tablet down anywhere,
like he's always holding them. And in

582
00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:45.239
the pictures from that night that they
show in the documentary, he's holding all

583
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:47.599
the pictures, he's holding them,
both of them. Yeah, so it

584
00:41:47.679 --> 00:41:52.800
seems like something somebody, you know, somebody took them, somebody had these

585
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:58.639
in their possession after he was kidnapped. And then so Garina ended up with

586
00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:00.800
Ometo's phone and tablet and actually I
couldn't see if it was both the phone

587
00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:04.599
and the tablet or just a tablet, but I think it was just a

588
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:07.360
tablet. And sorry, Katina Kadina
is one of the ones that did not

589
00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:10.880
want to be questioned. Yeah,
she filed the rid of protection. Okay,

590
00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:15.599
what was she doing with those then? Yeah? So she and I

591
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:17.840
want to say it was just a
tablet, not the both the phone.

592
00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:22.360
So she said that she found them, found the tablet and then she gave

593
00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:25.760
the tablet to a photographer for what
reason, who knows. The other suspicious

594
00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:30.880
thing is that Katina's photographer was killed
shortly after she gave him Ometo's tablet,

595
00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:35.280
So like, what is going on? Oh my gosh, so he wouldn't

596
00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:40.320
say anything exactly. Jeezus fucking Christ, this is insane. Yeah. Ometo's

597
00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:45.320
family remained outspoken about their suspicion that
the government was involved in Ometo's death,

598
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:50.840
and a couple of years later,
the Attorney General announced that they were going

599
00:42:50.840 --> 00:42:53.960
to investigate Amado's brothers because because why, because this is what they do.

600
00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:58.360
Why, this is what they do
to force families to shut up. Oh

601
00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:01.280
yeah, yes, this is something
else we have already seen in the true

602
00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:05.639
crime cases we've covered in the Spooky
Taels. And I'm sorry because there's so

603
00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:09.119
many of these cases. But it
was a femicide and the dad and brother

604
00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:14.440
was a medium, And no,
I think it was a Merala, I

605
00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:17.559
don't. I think it was her
that they were protesting, and because of

606
00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:21.880
all that, they were arrested for
like eight months and then the charges were

607
00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:25.119
dropped. I think I think it
was them. But again, like we

608
00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:30.719
have covered so many of these,
but it's so common. Yes, exactly,

609
00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:35.159
It's also something they touch on umo
on that podcast. Yes, anyone

610
00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:40.920
who starts speaking against these human right
violations and against impunity. Yes, we'll

611
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:45.599
get charged with something or we'll get
disappeared. It's yeah again, And this

612
00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:51.559
is I don't know the not to
bring up again, but and I won't

613
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:53.440
because we've already talked about it,
so so much on his story isn't known.

614
00:43:54.159 --> 00:44:00.800
But again, like question this supposed
safety of a sudden safe diva country

615
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:06.760
someone who is president, and it
runs again, and then this term is

616
00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:08.840
the only supposed to last a certain
amount of time, but suddenly their president

617
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:15.239
again, question that ship against the
constitution of the country. Seriously. Yeah.

618
00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:19.119
Also, not to get to side
tracked, but I was listening to

619
00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:25.480
Alilos and well it was yes from
what is a podcast, actual podcast called

620
00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:30.199
so they featured No, no,
they featured it on alilo but that podcast

621
00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:35.960
it was a it was a separate
podcast from I can't remember the name,

622
00:44:36.119 --> 00:44:38.400
but we didn't. We listened to
it both, and it was a production

623
00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:45.840
of the same company. Elo I
hear it is Bokele and Senor Central.

624
00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:51.760
Let's called Central Central. Yeah,
and the series of Senor But yeah,

625
00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:57.159
they had an episode after Or this
was and in that episode they talk about

626
00:44:57.440 --> 00:45:02.920
about how a lot of other politicians
and President and President Elex are trying to

627
00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:08.480
copy to deal with their own their
own violence and their own countries. And

628
00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:13.559
I think, as most of us
has seen Mexico, the first woman won

629
00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:16.559
the President's Niclaudia something I forgot the
last name shine Baum, shine Baum.

630
00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:19.760
I don't not to say it,
but yeah, but anyway, in that

631
00:45:20.039 --> 00:45:25.239
episode of this, they talk about
how she wants to implement the same militaristic

632
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:30.000
techniques and this is never good.
Yeah, And even in that episode,

633
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:35.159
they're like, okay, but like
it's quote unquote working in because it is

634
00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:39.480
so small, it's such a different
country than Mexico. Miko's already tried that,

635
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:45.480
right, like war against the cartels. Where has it gone. Yeah,

636
00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:49.559
So they talk about how she wants
to Manolura, like she wants to

637
00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:52.960
do that, and I'm like,
this is your woman, this is what

638
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:59.000
you're celebrating. And again it's like, don't it was the identity politics,

639
00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:00.119
Like we can get into it,
but we're not going to because I know

640
00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:06.559
we are talking about Mexico. But
I think because it's all related, I

641
00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:08.480
mean, it's only going to if
they do do it, it's going to

642
00:46:08.559 --> 00:46:12.880
be more of the same of what
we're seeing that happen to Ometo. Where

643
00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:16.239
at the end, these businesses and
these cartels and these governments that are working

644
00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:22.480
together are the ones getting what they
want because they're so powerful, And like

645
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:24.800
yeah, then you you ask,
like what is the solution? And I

646
00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:29.480
don't know. I don't know,
but I can say that Manadurda policies harm

647
00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:32.400
the people, and it's the people
that are more marginalized, like o metal

648
00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:39.679
people from these pueblos, activists from
these rural communities, Indigenous people, and

649
00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:45.559
there's already such a suppression of indigenous
populations in Mexico. I mean, I

650
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:49.519
could go on, but no,
you go on, right, So it's

651
00:46:49.559 --> 00:46:52.480
just like all of this ties together, like a true crime crime case is

652
00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:55.639
not a true crime case in itself, Like thank you, I was gonna

653
00:46:55.639 --> 00:46:59.880
say, it's more than a true
crime case. Yeah. So yeah,

654
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:02.039
like we said, this isn't the
first time the Attorney General turned against the

655
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:07.280
families of victims of death and disappearances, and they have a history of investigating

656
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:12.440
families in order to pressure them to
stop speaking out against them the government.

657
00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:19.079
So the investigation of Ometo's death remains
open with no suspects or persons of interest.

658
00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:23.000
Law enforcement continues to believe that Ometo's
death was not violent and that all

659
00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:28.239
evidence points to drowning as the cause
of death, but the family and many

660
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:34.039
others believe someone intentionally hurt Ometo because
we cannot ignore that his activism pose a

661
00:47:34.159 --> 00:47:38.039
threat to the cartels and the local
government colluding with the cartels, and we

662
00:47:38.119 --> 00:47:43.039
also can't forget them he go has
one of the highest death rates for environmental

663
00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:47.400
activists and high rates of impunity as
well. And the documentary closed very beautifully

664
00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:52.719
also with Ometo's son saying he stepped
in, you know, in his father's

665
00:47:52.719 --> 00:48:01.679
footsteps to keep working the butterfly.
Yeah. And every year when the monarchs

666
00:48:01.960 --> 00:48:06.239
or Lasnovias, a soul as a
Metal called them such a beautiful name.

667
00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:09.679
Huh. Oh, tell me why
I couldn't imagine calling them that. I

668
00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:15.360
know, I know. So every
year when the monarchs come to the forest

669
00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:19.840
to visit, o Metal son believes
that his father a Metal, travels along

670
00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:23.800
with the butterflies and he visits the
reserve. They're carrying his soul. Yeah.

671
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:28.679
And then and he says he he
spends time in the reserve. It's

672
00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:31.159
like spending time with his dad and
he like just talks to his dad.

673
00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:37.199
I'm gonna cry again. Oh my
god, he just sounds he was a

674
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:43.360
beautiful person, you know, that
cared about Yeah, these beautiful flying creatures

675
00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:49.199
just and yeah, I'm just such
an unnecessary, violent like loss. Yeah,

676
00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:52.760
but I you know, it's like
all of this and his death is

677
00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:59.519
tied to like the the demand from
logging also is tied to capitalism, you

678
00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:06.639
know, and we know that capitalism
is killing the earth. And the people

679
00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:08.960
that defend the earth the most,
the people that live in these areas that

680
00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:14.760
amazon these kind of reserves, they
are usually indigenous people and they face the

681
00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:20.599
most dangerous harm from violent, you
know, people that are usually like capitalists

682
00:49:20.599 --> 00:49:27.119
trying to you know, exploit the
resources, and usually behind that exploitation the

683
00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:30.719
people demanding this. Thank you.
That's what I was gonna say. It's

684
00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:35.440
the United States like nine percent of
the time. And then if you add

685
00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:38.559
in the other colonial powers, then
there you have a complete picture of why

686
00:49:38.599 --> 00:49:44.400
this is happening. Yeah, and
I hate it. And also the butterflies

687
00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:50.559
their path, their migration path is
being disrupted by borders, by made borders.

688
00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:53.480
So I mean, I think everyone
knows our stands on the border,

689
00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:58.679
and but that is another thing that
is puts them in danger. I mean,

690
00:49:58.719 --> 00:50:04.159
there's a reason these but are flies
have been represent the immigration movement because

691
00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:07.840
it's a right. I mean,
yeah, yeah, oh. I did

692
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:13.480
want to say though. There's a
such an amazing immigrant owned company called Barrio

693
00:50:13.639 --> 00:50:16.960
Drive and you can see shirts.
They have the butterfly on a lot of

694
00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:22.199
their shirts, and I mean they
make everything you can. I am mutuals

695
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:29.440
with them on TikTok, and their
posts include their parents modeling the shirts,

696
00:50:29.639 --> 00:50:34.079
working helping them run this business.
And so I will put a link in

697
00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:36.599
the show note to that for anyone
that wants to check it out. These

698
00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:40.079
do look cute. Yeah there,
It's just such an amazing company. And

699
00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:45.519
if, yeah, you want that
butterfly on a shirt, I wouldn't go

700
00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:49.559
with anyone else but Barrio Drive.
And yeah, I guess this brings us

701
00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:51.800
to the end of the episode.
We're going to take a quick out break

702
00:50:55.320 --> 00:50:59.840
and we're back. Okay, did
you have any speak recommendations. I don't,

703
00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:02.079
No, I have a book,
I guess recommend It's not spooky,

704
00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:06.239
but it's very much tied into what
we're talking about. Today like indigen eighty

705
00:51:06.360 --> 00:51:09.239
right, So I am reading a
book. I'm almost done what they called

706
00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:14.800
The Wandering Stars by Tommy Orange,
and I didn't realize this when I checked

707
00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:17.920
it out from the library. Also
shout out library support your local libraries.

708
00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:22.400
I love Libby. I love that
they finally started using Libby. Now I

709
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:25.199
can send it to my kindle.
Libby's a basioned. It forces me to

710
00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:30.599
read faster because you know a day, you only have twenty one days to

711
00:51:31.079 --> 00:51:35.800
finish a book. So I didn't
realize when I checked out that book that

712
00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:39.039
it's like sort of a sequel but
also kind of a prequel to Uh,

713
00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:44.639
Tommy's first book called They're There,
which I read like five years ago.

714
00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:49.039
There there had more characters, but
it's like different point of views and stuff.

715
00:51:49.360 --> 00:51:53.880
But it's about Indigenous people in Oakland
and Wandering Stars. Uh kind of

716
00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:59.800
picks up where they're They're left off, but it also talks about the ancestors,

717
00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:02.559
but it focuses kind of more on
one family, Like it's a grandma

718
00:52:02.639 --> 00:52:07.400
who's liked the grandma, but she's
an aunt great aunt to the kids.

719
00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:12.840
They're like teens except when younger.
Anyway, three siblings and their Cheyenne.

720
00:52:12.920 --> 00:52:16.639
Then their grandma, their actual grandma, who for a long time was in

721
00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:22.840
had a problem with drinking. She
comes back into their lives because the last

722
00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:25.199
book ends with like with the tragic
kind of thing that they survive, but

723
00:52:25.559 --> 00:52:30.320
that's it brings them together. So
anyway, it starts off kind of like

724
00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:35.599
a prequel because it talks about their
ancestors, starting all the way from the

725
00:52:36.039 --> 00:52:39.480
Sand Creek Massacre. So it starts
off with one of their ancestors who survived

726
00:52:39.480 --> 00:52:44.320
the Sand Creek Massacre as a boy, and that feels like such a long

727
00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:47.719
time ago, but it's like a
great great grandparent at most, and a

728
00:52:47.760 --> 00:52:52.519
lot of what we talk about in
Espoogitos, but also in itsn't known like

729
00:52:52.559 --> 00:53:00.360
this, you know, history of
colonialism and surviving right as yes, yes,

730
00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:07.599
yeah we are. We're just twining. We're twining today, So yeah,

731
00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:09.159
I mean that's what it's about,
like the ancestors, and then it

732
00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:15.599
moves on to the actual like the
siblings and the grandma and the great aunt

733
00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:19.079
and everything they're going through. But
it just it he taught me writes so

734
00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:23.119
beautifully, and each character has a
very clearly different voice, and I'm like,

735
00:53:23.119 --> 00:53:27.159
how do you do this with so
many different characters? That's wild to

736
00:53:27.199 --> 00:53:31.159
me, amazing. There's one chapter
that I love the most because it's like,

737
00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:37.639
so one of the ancestors gives births
and dies as she's giving birth,

738
00:53:38.039 --> 00:53:43.079
and it's ray and like as if
she's writing a letter to her daughters,

739
00:53:43.360 --> 00:53:46.199
who are the great aunt and the
grandma of the boys. Okay, and

740
00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:50.880
she's like in the in life,
you will experience this and this, but

741
00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:54.400
it's so beautiful and I'm like that
I'm gonna cry when it's the book is

742
00:53:54.400 --> 00:53:59.400
so emotional. Oh yeah, Okay, I need to readnew my library card

743
00:53:59.480 --> 00:54:01.559
so I can. Oh, you
need to books. Thanks so much for

744
00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:06.280
sharing this book because it's not a
speaker recommendation, but I'm sure our listeners

745
00:54:06.320 --> 00:54:08.239
will love it. Yeah, I
think so. And I think this episode

746
00:54:08.280 --> 00:54:13.440
alone highlights how all these things are
so related, how and how a true

747
00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:16.039
crime case is never really just a
trend case. Certainly certainly not in Latin

748
00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:22.039
America. Oh no, oh no. And even like you know here with

749
00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:28.599
the missing and missing and murdered indigenous
women, right that you know, like

750
00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:31.800
those are not just women that were
killed and when missing, right, Like

751
00:54:31.840 --> 00:54:37.480
it's tied to a history of violence
against Indigenous women, which is tied to

752
00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:44.039
colonialism. Yeah, yeah, so
yeah, I don't have any speaker recommendations.

753
00:54:44.159 --> 00:54:50.880
I haven't suffering from my hyperfixation of
Degrassi. I'm almost the only season

754
00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:55.159
ten right now. How many seasons
are there? There's fourteen that are Degrassi

755
00:54:55.239 --> 00:54:59.960
the Next Class, and then there's
no sorry, Degrassi the Next General,

756
00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:02.960
which is the one we're familiar with, and then there's a Next Class.

757
00:55:04.159 --> 00:55:07.320
Yeah, and that only had one
season, I believe, because it's suckedymically.

758
00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:09.840
Yeah, I think it was terrible
from what I gather. I haven't

759
00:55:09.920 --> 00:55:14.800
watched it yet, so I'm like
knee deep in this hyperfixation. I don't

760
00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:17.159
know when it's going to be over. When you're done, probably probably,

761
00:55:17.199 --> 00:55:21.280
although who knows. Sometimes I'm in
the middle of a hyperfixation. It though

762
00:55:21.280 --> 00:55:23.719
like, wow, I'm not I
don't care about this anymore, in the

763
00:55:23.719 --> 00:55:25.920
middle of it, and I will
just drop it. I don't even care

764
00:55:27.480 --> 00:55:31.480
because I don't care about it anymore, hence the hyperfixation. But right now

765
00:55:31.519 --> 00:55:36.360
it's the grassy And if I'm not
looking, if I'm not working on episodes,

766
00:55:36.559 --> 00:55:40.159
if i'm not writing notes. Then
I'm either watching the grassy or de

767
00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:44.639
Grassy songs are just stuck in my
head and it's the worst because some of

768
00:55:44.679 --> 00:55:50.599
these bands suck. So yeah,
that's why I don't have any Speakure commendations.

769
00:55:50.599 --> 00:55:53.840
I haven't been watching anything but de
Grassy. I even I needed to

770
00:55:53.880 --> 00:55:58.239
get it out of my brain,
like how much I was kept thinking about

771
00:55:58.280 --> 00:56:00.159
it, and I have no one
to talk to the grassy bout. I

772
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:02.519
just started writing some degrassy notes that
I'm like, I'm not doing anything with

773
00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:06.039
them. I'm not what are you
doing? What are you writing? Like

774
00:56:06.119 --> 00:56:10.239
recappy exodse are just your thoughts?
No, I'm writing the best and worst

775
00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:15.039
de grassy music slash bands right now. Oh wow, I would love for

776
00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:16.519
you to share those with me.
Okay, when I've done all, show

777
00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:20.760
them with you. But like,
I'm like, I can't handle trying to

778
00:56:20.840 --> 00:56:23.000
keep up with another thing that I
post. So that's why I'm not doing

779
00:56:23.039 --> 00:56:28.639
anything with them. But I'll let
you read them and anyone else that loves

780
00:56:28.679 --> 00:56:30.719
to grassy or is obsessed right now. But yeah, I needed to get

781
00:56:30.760 --> 00:56:34.960
out of my brain. So I'm
like rating each music, all the music,

782
00:56:35.239 --> 00:56:37.280
the not the music that plays in
us in the episodes, but like

783
00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:42.719
the characters yeah, yeah, yeah, have their songs and bands and that's

784
00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:46.360
what I'm writing right now. But
yeah, that's I'm I feel like I've

785
00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:52.760
been taken hostage my brain right now
and I cannot stop, like physically,

786
00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:57.320
I cannot. It's out of your
control. Yeah, it completely is out

787
00:56:57.360 --> 00:57:01.559
of my control. And I miss
horror stuff I do, but I can't.

788
00:57:01.599 --> 00:57:04.679
I can't stop. I will say
though. I did listen to an

789
00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:07.159
episode of Other Worlds, which is
just another type of thing where people call

790
00:57:07.199 --> 00:57:13.000
it and tell their stories, and
they had an episode with this very famous

791
00:57:13.039 --> 00:57:16.440
like war photographer. His name is
Sebastian something. I don't remember his law

792
00:57:16.519 --> 00:57:21.239
name right now, but it was
like a after not after life. What

793
00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:25.360
is that thing called end of life
experience? No? Oh, after death

794
00:57:25.400 --> 00:57:30.159
experience has a term. We've done
an episode on it, and I cannot

795
00:57:30.199 --> 00:57:31.920
remember the term. But you know
when someone you're saying, yeah, yeah,

796
00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:36.440
when someone passes away or is passes
away for like a some seconds,

797
00:57:36.639 --> 00:57:39.320
a death experience, but it's not
called that. It has a name.

798
00:57:39.400 --> 00:57:45.159
Oh near death, oh amy,
almost death. Yeah, I mean that's

799
00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:49.360
like a sing with our brains together. We can think of something. We

800
00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:53.960
made it there whatever, it takes
time kidding, Sorry, that's the Degrassi

801
00:57:54.079 --> 00:57:58.559
theme song. Yeah, where it
takes Oh my god, I'm not gonna

802
00:57:58.599 --> 00:58:01.440
tak it anyway. That's a really
good episode if anyone wants an actual speaking

803
00:58:01.480 --> 00:58:07.000
recommendation and not and for me to
not talk about Degrassia forever anyway. Yeah,

804
00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:10.800
that brings us to the end of
the episode. We and I,

805
00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:15.559
I mean me, I'm almost done
with the Vampires of It Northen that's the

806
00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:19.639
current book club book I will be
at the time of this episode. I

807
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probably already sent them out, but
I'm going to be sending out the discussion

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questions so that you can write your
responses in if you want us to hear

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them on the episode on the book
Club episode, and I'll give everyone like

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two weeks and then we'll record the
episode. But yeah, I'm almost done,

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and I've been loving it. I've
been done. Yeah, I know,

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I know, since I couldn't put
it down. Yeah, so yeah,

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we'll send those out and then also
the show not or not in the

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show the link to the book club
so you can get these discussion questions straight

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to your email if you want you
can sign up. The link is in

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the show notes. It's the book
club like Newslater newsletter basically, And all

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these questions I also post on Patreon
for free the free members, so everyone

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can respond to them if they want, and we will read those responses on

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the episode. So yeah, okay, that's it for news I think.

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Oh sorry, no, one more
thing. We will be in Colorado next

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month for me at crime. Yeah, it's coming up. I gotta rent

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the car better not for anyway,
No, obviously, I'm gonna do it

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anyway. Yeah, we're gonna be
at the True Crime Per Normal Podcast Festival

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in Denver, Colorado. It's July
twelfth to July fourteenth. We have a

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little table, we have a little
booth. We're not doing any like presentations.

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I there see Aiden from Susto has
a presentation he's doing, so I

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will be seated. We will be
seated because we love Sustal. And yeah,

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anyone that stops by, I'm gonna
have stickers. I'm gonna have a

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little recording setup if you want to
tell us a scary story while you're there.

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I'm not gonna have any fancy merchants
merch with us because I'm broke,

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I can just go out and drop
a thousand bucks on shirts and stuff.

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You know, stickers though, I
can make, so, I'll have a

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bunch of stickers with me to hand
out. Say hi, please, if

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you're in a spooky Denver or in
the area, come saying hi to us.

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And Okay, that's it, that's
it all right, yes, I

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don't know. Hug your pets,
how your family members hugged your loved whats

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yeah, and say a spooky We'll
catch everyone next time. Bye. Spooky

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