June 19, 2026

The Teotihuacán Shooting

The Teotihuacán Shooting
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In this episode, Cristina tells Carmen about the April 20th, 2026 shooting in Teotihuacan, but also more about how this type of violence was once thought to be only a western problem and has spread to the global south, as well as discussing some conspiracy theories that popped up after the shooting.

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Sources:

https://elpais.com/mexico/2026-04-21/los-25-minutos-de-panico-en-teotihuacan-un-viejo-revolver-una-mente-enferma-y-un-crimen-inspirado-por-el-mas-alla.html

https://www.jornada.com.mx/noticia/2026/04/22/estados/tirador-de-teotihuacan-llego-solo-a-cdmx-en-2018-y-nadie-volvio-a-saber-de-el

https://www.milenio.com/policia/balacera-teotihuacan-arma-usada-agresor-era-antigua-revela-fiscalia

https://www.infobae.com/mexico/2026/04/23/vegano-y-fan-de-lady-gaga-la-otra-cara-del-asesino-de-teotihuacan-antes-de-radicalizarse/

https://www.heraldousa.com/es/mexico/2026/4/21/balacera-en-teotihuacan-circula-en-redes-sociales-video-inedito-del-atacante-en-el-momento-de-los-hechos-con-mensaje-anticolonial-22381.html

https://www.isdglobal.org/digital-dispatch/how-the-true-crime-community-generates-its-own-killers/

https://www.isdglobal.org/digital-dispatch/terror-without-ideology-the-rise-of-nihilistic-violence-an-isd-investigation/

https://www.bbc.com/mundo/articles/czx9d9gxzyqo

https://www.ap.org/news-highlights/en-foco/2026/ataque-en-piramides-de-mexico-fue-una-accion-bien-planeada-de-un-seguidor-de-tiroteos-en-eeuu/

https://elpais.com/mexico/2026-04-20/un-tiroteo-en-teotihuacan-deja-dos-muertos-y-tres-heridos.html

https://www.newsweek.com/gunman-opens-fire-on-tourists-at-mexicos-most-visited-ancient-ruins-11856347

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Hello, Hello, this is Christina and Carman and this is

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another episode of a Spooky Tales, the podcast for all

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things spooky hunted, places, myths, legends, and true crime in

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Latin America. And today today's a rough episode. It is

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a recent true crime case, the Del di Wacan shooting

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from April. So you know, if you cannot listen to that,

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go ahead and skip this one. Take care. However, I

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wanted to cover it because there's something that I feel

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like was missed in a lot of the coverage about this.

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So that's why I wanted to do it, and that's

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why we are here today. Okay, I'm happy we're doing it,

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obviously not happy that it happened. It was a horrible

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thing that should never happen anywhere. But yeah, I didn't

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really see that much coverage on it. I only saw one.

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Well I'm sure there's more, but it was an April

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I'm forginning. But I watched like one good TikTok from

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a Mexican person about it, and I think that was

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really it. You might have seen the same one, yeah,

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because I sent the ze or use sense to me

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one of those. You're right, Oh, and no listener story

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today because it's just the case. But if you have

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a paranormal story that you want to send to us

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that happened to you or so many in your family,

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get it to us. We love receiving them. All that

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information is in the show notes. Okay, I think that's everything. Now,

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let's get started, all right. On April twentieth, twenty twenty six,

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at around eleven twenty am, a masked gunman dressed in

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a black and white plaid longsleeved shirt opened fire while

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standing in the I guess what you could refer to

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as the mezzazine mezzanine, sorry, mezzanine. Pyramide de la Luna

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in Deo di Wacan. This is the second largest pyramid

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in Deo di Wacan and it's one of the most

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visited archaeological sites in Mexico, second only to chiche Itza

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in Yucatan. It received one point eight million visitors in

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twenty twenty five. Wow, I went there, but non twenty

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twenty five, I was like twenty eighteen or so when

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I went, It's on my list of places to go.

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So unsurprisingly, on that Monday morning when the gunman opened fire,

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there were a lot of people there. The gunman killed

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one person, a twenty nine year old Canadian woman, some

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sources say thirty two years old. However, her name was

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not made public by Canada or the family, and so

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I didn't go digging for it. That's just it was.

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A Canadian woman was killed. Another thirteen were injured, seven

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from gunshots and six from running away during the shooting.

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So among them six Americans, three Colombians, two Brazilians, one Russian,

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and one Canadian, also a six year old and thirteen

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year old. Before the gunman fired and killed and injured

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these people, he fired twenty to thirty rounds into the air.

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He then held up a group of tourists at gunpoint

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and started shouting that he would sacrifice them and that

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he had already killed two Koreans. I'm going to play

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part of the clip here. I think I'm only going

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to include one section, not the most like traumatizing part

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to listen, because I don't want to like trauma subject

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people to that. Yeah, if you want to seek that

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out it is out there. However, I'm going to cut

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it down to one specific line because they want people

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to listen to his accent. So let me I didn't

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know he had an accent. He was from Mexico, right

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or no woking into it? Okay, okay, so what.

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More parole him here a way. I'm more food of

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Corea again, would have had a vermanto.

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Could you hear? Because he's far away so it's hard

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to hear, sort of, I just heard something about Corianos

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and then can I try to make it. I'll try

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to make it more clear in the episode, try to

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like make it louder so you can actually hear what

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he's saying. I because, okay, so as can be heard,

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he said it in a Spanish accent, so many thought

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he was Spanish. Oh I couldn't hear that well, so

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I couldn't even tell the accent. So he's like faking

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a Spanish accent like Spain. Yeah, you can clearly hear.

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This is someone with not a real Spanish accent. This

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is someone like doing a Spanish accent. Like you can

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tell it's a Mexican accent. So he you know, at

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some point he instructs someone to cut something he refers

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to like a piece of plastic. He also says this

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was built to sacrifice people, not so you can take

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your little shitty pictures. He alludes to having killed two

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Koreans like dogs, but like he didn't, he didn't. He's

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just saying things nonsense. Really, security forces in this case,

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local police and Mexican National Guard arrived ten minutes into

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this starting there was him back and forth. The gunman

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had taken like you know, he was holding up a

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group of hostages or a group of tourist as hostages.

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He freed some of them. Then a couple of soldiers

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and one officer climbed from behind to try and reach

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the gunman, who was standing on like the second tier

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of the pyramid, which I called the mezzanine of the pyramid.

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But once the officers reached him, he climbed up higher

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through some very steep steps. There was more shots fired

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between security forces and the gunmen, during which the gunman

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was shot in the leg and he could be seen

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limping away in a different video. Then around eleven forty

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five am, the gunman turned. The gunman himself fired and

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took his own life. And this is when he was

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like he was essentially surrounded by the National Guard at

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that point. But after this security forces approached and searched

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the backpack the gunman was carrying. In it, there was

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an AI generated picture of the gunman with Eric Harris

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and Dylan Clibold. Do you know who these two are?

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Mass shooters? Yes, the Columbine shooters. M hm yes, A

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Carmen made a face like h really and so yeah, yeah. So.

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There was also a tactical knive, a sixty year old

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point thirty eight revolver, and more than fifty rounds of ammunition,

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as well as handwritten notes alluding to the Columbine School shooting,

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also books about Columbine. There was also the gunman's Ine

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Ina voter Credential right ri ID card for those who

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don't know what the ENA is that was in his backpack,

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which then identified the gunman as Julio Cesarjasso Remirez, which

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the Attorney General of the State of Mexico later confirmed

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that this was twenty seven year old j Meres. So

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the attack is still very recent. There's a lot that's unknown.

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Immediately after it took place, there were a lot of

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different types of comments going around, comments like these things

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don't happen in Mexico, which is not true. No, there's

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been mass shootings before, mass attacks. Yeah, most most of

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the type of shootings that happened in Mexico up until

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recently have all been cartel cartel related, and so one

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attack by a single is not common individual. That's what's

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not common until recently. But it's okay, But it's not

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like this is not the first one. I would say, no,

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because literally a couple I have it in my notes somewhere.

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But there was the Metro gun. Yeah, shooting of two

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teachers who were a fifteen year old, not a gun

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of that kid was like in the military, Mexican military,

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and that's where he had access to the gun. Yeah,

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and he killed two teachers. I mentioned it again later,

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but yeah, that would be like the first of this type. However,

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like school stabbings or shootings targeting a specific girl in

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a classroom, that happens, but it's a different type of

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attack that it is. Yeah, However, this one in Tilti

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wa Ghan and the Mitua gun shooting I would categorize

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as the same kind of violent attack as each other. Yeah, yes, okay,

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So Gloria Scheinbaum not president that she said these kind

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of things don't happen in Mexico. A lot of people

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also were repeating that. Others said that it was a

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xenophobic attack against foreigners. Some said it was an attack

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specifically because of the things that the president had said

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about Spain, and that the attacker was mocking the Spanish

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with his Spanish accent and that's why he did it,

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which doesn't make any sense to me. Yeah. Others insinuated

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that it was a CIA planned attack. I heard that

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as it was happening at the heels of that car

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crash where the two CIA agents were killed. Who mind,

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you should have never been in Mexico the country, right, Yeah, exactly,

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So I don't blame people for also saying that either. Yeah,

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and when people these kind of things happen and people

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don't have answers, like speculation starts, it's it's pretty normal. Yes,

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And I personally don't agree with like any of those

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comments because of what I've learned about the gunman, which

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we'll get into in this episode, which is like the

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whole reason why I wanted to do this episode, because

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I saw people say these things don't happen in Mexico,

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or that it was a CIA plant attack, which like

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I personally like don't agree with and you'll see why. Yeah,

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I think I know where this is heading. And I

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feel like as long as this radicalization of hatred and sexism,

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misogyny ala el temach continues, then things like this are

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going to keep happening. M Yeah. So when the Mexican

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government did a press release concerning the incident, they said

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that the gunman was a psychopath who was completely disconnected

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from reality. Specifically, they said he had a psychopathic profile

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mental health issues as well as having been disconnected from

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the real world. They also said he was un even

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though his ine had a Mexico city address. They also

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stated that he was a copycat who idolized other perpetrators

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of similar crimes. And yeah, there's a truth in that.

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I don't think it's a stretch or a lie to

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say any of that. Although I I don't know, I

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don't know if he's a psychopath. I don't, I don't.

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I don't have the classification to like, you know, say

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someone's a psychopath. I feel like that's a word that

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people just like throw around. Yeah, I mean, I would yeah,

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I would argue, though, people that are capable of doing

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this kind of violence like some you have to be right, obviously,

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you have to have some kind of disconnect. You have

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to view people as not humans worthy of life in

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the first place. Isn't the thing about no? Okay, I

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guess it used to be common thought that psychopaths were

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born that way. But I think now when we're realizing

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that people can be radicalized into this type of not

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caring about anyone, not having anthy right or or is

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it like a mix of both, I think it's a

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mix of both, okay, And I'm not up to dated

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on the most research, most recent research, I mean, but

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I've always heard it's it's like a combination of having

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the right, like genetics for it, predisposition, I should say

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predisposition for it, and a traumatic upbringing, upbringing where violence

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is normalized, objectification is normalized like things like that. Okay,

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that makes sense. That all makes sense, And so that's

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what the Mexican government released about him, and in the

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conference they also said that authorities also stated that he

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was acting alone and that this was premeditated, both of

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which appeared to be true. So, as I said at

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first it was stated that he was from Guerrero, and

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so when the shooting first took place, the World Cup

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was coming up, and I feel like there was this

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desire to distance this incident from Mexico City because the

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World Cup was or Mexico City was a World Cup destination,

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because they kept repeating and like it was like widely

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published that he was from Guerrero. So was he not

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really from Guerreedo. No, So it's been found that he

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was born in East Ta Calco, which is in you know,

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the state of Mexico. He was registered in e Ca

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Tpeg de Morrellos, also in the state of Mexico. From

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twenty seventeen to twenty eighteen, he lived in a Capulco

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with his father and attended at co Lejo Simon Bolivar

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Campus Princess And so I think it appears he was

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born in the state of Mexico. Yeah, they just don't

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want him to be associated with Mexico City. Yeah, And

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there's also sorry I don't say it reminds me too

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how people always say, oh, there's no serial killers in Mexico,

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Like that's a think from the United States and that race,

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like there's like a certain kind of like violence, like

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Mexico stereotypically like to other people, is known for its violence. Obviously,

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there has been a lot of violence in Mexico because

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of the war on drugs, but there's like certain kinds

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of violence that no one thinks happened in Mexico when

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it does, right and so yes. Twenty seventeen two twenty eighteen,

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he attended that school in Acapulco. His classmates there remember

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him as someone very serious, quiet, with no friends. One

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of his classmates told nms A, like, I don't know,

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news room media company. I don't know. It's called similar

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videos around this familiar. Yeah, I would they have They're

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like they have a ton of videos. Anyway. They told

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them that they would joke amongst themselves that he gave

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quote school shot or vibes. I think I saw actually

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probably the like the cluse of the school. Yeah, the

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former schoolmate. Yeah. The same classmate also stated that he

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the gunman was super racist, classes, xenophobic, fat phobic, homophobic,

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and transphobic, all the phobics, all the isms. Around twenty nineteen,

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the gunman lived with his mom sister in Tilapa, a

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municipality in Guerrero and I don't know how long he

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lived there. That's a under staying he was from there. Yes, there.

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His neighbors remember him as a serious person who did

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not interact with anyone else, which is like outside of

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the norm of Mexican society. Yeah, because like even if

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you're just outside walking, people sayhi to each other. It's

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a very social place, very a very social place. Yeah.

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Neighbors there also describes him as un joben irakundo, which

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I had to look up because I was like, what

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is that? What is that worth? A wrathful person, but

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I think irritable and angry also covers that was the

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first wrathful wrath wrath I see, yeah, mm hmm, like

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easily irritated. Yes. They also described him as rada go

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with constant fits of rage. Interesting. One neighbor spoke with

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NMS as well, and that neighbor said, knows, Yeah, he

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looked at us with a side eye as a darker people,

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I guess with a side eye. And she's like, and

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you know, because he was white at a blanco, but

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if you look at him, he looks like a typical

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like mex Mexican. Yeah. But because to some when someone's

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like darker, they'll call anyone lighter white because I think

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of the social benefits to having like a lighter skin,

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right of course. Yeah, she also said this neighbor also

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said Laki, thank god he didn't do anything here, which

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I'm sure is like a very uh a thought that

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comes across everyone who then learns who this person was

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and like interacted with him, you know. Yeah, did his

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family ever say anything? No, as far as I can tell,

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they haven't. They I feel that this was not right

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on part of NM Mass, But NM Mass was like

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this house right here in is where he lives and

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where his sister and mom currently live, and they moved

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here trying to open a business which has not been

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going well. I'm just like like, out all there, I

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don't know that I would want to like public, this

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is where they live right now, you know what I mean,

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and their business failed, Like that's not necessary, but yeah,

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especially because why if people go harass them they have

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nothing like this. The reason I was asking those because

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I'm like, I wonder, so everyone's describing this person as

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like angry, loner, eracist, sexist, every possible ist, and I'm like,

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when did this happen? That's what I would like to

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know exactly exactly. And yeah, I think that's a question

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that comes across because nobody is born in that way,

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right No, or radicalized? Yeah, something happened or raised to

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be like that, right. Yeah. So the NMAS then the

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mask went around looking for everyone. Okay, so NMAS someone

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left unturned, as they say. Really. They also interviewed the

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gym owner where the gunman worked out. Oh my god,

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and so the gym owner said the same thing. He

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was a quiet, reserved person who kept himself. He always

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came in with a mask on and gloves. But the

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thing that weirded everyone at the most is that he

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always wore a swatstick on him on his arm. Oh god. Yeah.

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And like personally, if someone came into like if I

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own a gym and someone came into that, I'm really like, yeah,

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then ye're not coming in. Yeah, Like I'm sorry, but

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you can't come in out Like yeah, you know so,

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but no, I guess, uh like weird everyone out. But

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they didn't say anything. I don't I don't know. Wow.

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It would seem that in between the gunmen living with

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his dad and Capulco and then his mom and sister

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in Guerrero that at some point he lived in Mexico City,

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and this was the address on his ine. In twenty eighteen,

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he rented a room in La Colonia Tikoman in Suda

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de Mexico. He only lived there three months and then

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he took off, like he didn't even like end the lease.

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He just like never returned one day. Yeah, And it

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wasn't until his name was released made public that his

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former landlord was like, oh my god, it's that guy

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that who like never like ended his lease and just

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like disappeared, right yeah, no, no, no, this this one

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he talked to infobey, oh the other publication that leaves

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no stone internities, and so yeah, he was like, we

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didn't really know him. He kept to himself same, the

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same thing that everybody else, you know, has been saying.

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And that's like basically all that's like publicly known about him.

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He was a quiet result of person, and it would

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seem that he moved around a bit, you know, from

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being with his dad, then back with his mom and sister,

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and then at some point in see that in Mexico.

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So then his social media accounts were found days after

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the shooting. But first I want to mention the handwritten

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notes found in the backpack, so in them he wrote

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about how much the gun cost him. He doesn't say

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where he got it. Authorities have stated that it was

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likely like the black market, and that it's very similar

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to the pistols that police in Mexico use. He spent

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or it is the same taba gun that police used,

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but his was like very old, like sixty years damn.

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And he spent almost forty thousand vessels on it, which

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is like to was three hundred dollars or so. He

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also visited Delti Wakan several times before the attack, planning

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out is yeahm hm. And he had checked into a

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hotel near the Delti Wakan Pyramids on Sunday and then

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used a ride sharing app to get to the site

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for the attack. And the handwritten notes also said that

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he was guided by quote Una in Spirac del masaya

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i yiah ordernists the antnales naturales, so that he was

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inspired from the beyond and that he was following orders

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from supernatural entities. Okay, so he's just saying stuff. Yeah yeah.

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In these same notes, he like alluded to having been

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inspired by a similar attack in the United States in

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April nineteen ninety, you know, whenever Columbine, So he doesn't

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name Columbine, but what other attack happened? So this was

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the note said that. They said other things that haven't

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been made public because the investigation is still ongoing. So

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that's the only stuff that was made public from those

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handwritten notes and after the attack occurred. I don't remember

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if a listener send me this video or if I

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came across at first, but there was a real on

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Instagram that had one hundred and thirty five thousand views

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almost ten thousand likes. This one was in Spanish and

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by a Mexican creator, but I've seen similar videos from

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Mexican American creators on TikTok so that are saying similar things,

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but this specific one in Spanish. They started out their

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video by showing a banner that someone had made. That

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banner reads Lacia realisa experimentosos para seeing Gelo's de mass

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by para manipulara mundo and in English, the CIA conducts

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experiments on humans to communicate with the brain. They do

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this without other countries finding out, in order to manipulate

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the world. This banner was put somewhere public in Guljakan Saloa,

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and so she she shows that video and she says

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like this, some people believe this banner and what happened

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in Theo di Wakan are related, is what she says.

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And that's because the people are theorizing that the gunman

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was subjected to mk Ultra and then he was like

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activated to do this. Okay, is that what they call

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sleeper cells? Yeah, and yeah, Mkultra was real. What is

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known about it is that it was like ultimately like

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a failed, very failed thing. They were never able to

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do what they wanted to do with m Kiltra and

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they basically just like Georgi people. I've said this before,

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but Horror Story has a really good episode about MKTRA

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And I know it's really good because I wrote it

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and I fucking read two books for that shit. Mm hm. Anyway, yeah,

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MKTRA part of it is real, but you know, people

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kind of go off the rails with like yeah, it's

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one of those things that is so off the charts

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or whatever, like as in like and it's crazy, so

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like off the hook like wild that people really run

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wild with like worst versions of it, like they really

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let their imagination go wild. The same thing with the

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the whole syntantic panic m and pizzagate, right, like all

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these theories instead of just accepting that child thebase is real,

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like you have to say people are stealing there a

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genochrome like that type thing goes on right, right, And

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like mk Ultra on its own is already pretty horrible.

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We don't need to add extra things to it because

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it already was really horrible. And the things they tried

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to do, they were just like they didn't make happen.

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There was no way to do any of those things

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that they thought they could control a brain, sleeper cells, right,

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like all of those things. So that's what they're saying.

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And like, while I love a conspiracy theory, like I

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believe that the truth is in reality like scary enough,

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you know, pretty scary already, And honestly, it would appear

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that the truth could be somewhere in the middle of

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all these possibilities because this type of shooting where it's

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like alone alone, person who's angry, hateful, has all the

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isms like racism, like everything, you know, they enact these

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type of violent things, and usually these violent acts aren't

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inspired by the US, right, so like you know, the

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people theorizing the CAA is behind this, The CIA doesn't

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need to be behind it. These people aren't inspired by

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perpetrators in the US already, you know what I mean.

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And so this type of US school shooter inspired attack

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has been like growing outside of the US, especially in

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the past decade. Yeah, and like what I mean by

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this is like what people have historically referred to as

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the Columbine effect. It's like now no longer like the

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Columbine effect. It's more like a nihilistic violent shooting because

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they don't even just do it at schools anymore. Right,

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attacks like these have been growing in the global South,

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Like it's not just a Western thing anymore. Just recently,

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like a month before that, they will dig Wakan shooting

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a fifteen year old boy in Meachwakhan took an ar

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fifteen to his high school open fire, killed two teachers.

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And these two shootings share similarities mainly loving Adolf Hitler

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and the idolization of the Columbine shooters. Yeah, that very

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specific type of online radicalization four changization. Although so now

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I hear there's like different worst places. If you didn't

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think you could it worse telegram, Yeah, discord. In Turkey,

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there were two school shootings in April of this year,

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back to back, like literally one day than the next day,

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two separate incidents by a nineteen year old and a

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thirteen year old. In Italy, an eleven year old attempted

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a similar attack but with a knife and to life

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stream it wow eleven yeah. Yeah, and these are all

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outside of the US. Yeah, And so while like it

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is true that these kinds of things historically don't happen

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in Mexico, two happen almost almost back to back, like

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one month than the next month, you know, the Metua

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gun shooting and then the Theo t Wa gun shooting.

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Like these are not you know, the typical cartel violence

433
00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:51.440
or like a man like a femicide, right, these are

434
00:28:52.559 --> 00:29:00.599
individuals trying to cause mass terror. And yeah again like Turkey, Italy, Indonesia, India,

435
00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:05.119
Like it's just it's growing and that's that scary. Yeah.

436
00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:08.880
So those are just some examples of this type of violence,

437
00:29:09.039 --> 00:29:12.440
very specific type of violence. But back to the Teoti

438
00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:16.960
Wakan incident. Based on the AI generated picture that the

439
00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:20.839
shooter had of himself with the Columbine shooters plus the

440
00:29:20.920 --> 00:29:24.920
shirt that he had on underneath his plaid shirt. It's like,

441
00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:28.799
we can tell he had a fascination with the Columbine shooters. Otherwise,

442
00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:31.000
like why would he have all these books? And these

443
00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:32.920
people always do the same thing where they like, they

444
00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:36.839
do their violent act and they leave behind things celebrating

445
00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:43.160
a former attack of similar, similar type of attack. He

446
00:29:43.240 --> 00:29:45.759
also seemed to have planned the attack on the anniversary

447
00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:52.799
of Columbine April twentieth, yet another factor here showing his

448
00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:57.839
fascination admiration. And then on top of that Columbine And

449
00:29:57.880 --> 00:30:00.799
I think, like this was missed for so long and

450
00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:04.200
now it's like people know, but Columbine how specifically chosen?

451
00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:07.200
Oh go ahead, yes, but I think you're going to

452
00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:10.200
say the same thing. It was chosen to be Able

453
00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:16.200
twenty because that's Adolf Hitler's birthday and the Columbine shooters

454
00:30:16.759 --> 00:30:21.000
ized Hitler. Yeah they were, Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I don't

455
00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:24.480
know when that info. I'm sure it was around back then.

456
00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:26.559
I'm not sure. Actually, I don't know how this was

457
00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:29.799
reported because that was a we're being life or we're wevebet's,

458
00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:32.559
we're very vebe's. I think, well, let me tell a

459
00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:34.880
check what I think it's ninety one though, ninety ninety one,

460
00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:39.319
so one of those two. Yeah, oh ninety nine, Oh

461
00:30:39.400 --> 00:30:41.799
my god. It was way after the okay, never mind. Anyway,

462
00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:44.799
we were kids, so obviously we didn't know how this

463
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:46.759
was reported on publicized.

464
00:30:46.839 --> 00:30:47.079
I know.

465
00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:51.920
The only thing I know after the fact was how

466
00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:56.960
there was this narrative going around that these kids were

467
00:30:57.200 --> 00:31:00.960
victims of bully and that's why they acted out in

468
00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:04.559
this manner lo and behold. No, they were just assholes

469
00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:07.480
who thought they were better than everybody else. They were racists,

470
00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:11.519
edged lords as well, edge lord racists, losers who were

471
00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:16.400
mean to be the people around them. And other than

472
00:31:16.599 --> 00:31:20.640
that coming out later, I didn't know until very recently,

473
00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:23.799
probably like maybe two years ago, about their idolization of

474
00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:27.240
Hitler and the Nazis. Yeah, so I don't know when

475
00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:31.039
that started being posized. I think I learned about it

476
00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:35.240
recently as well, well, within the past two years, and

477
00:31:35.279 --> 00:31:39.440
that that's why they had chosen that day. Yeah. And

478
00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:44.960
so this already is another thing that the Mitua gun

479
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:47.839
shooting that the fifteen year old killed those two teachers,

480
00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:52.720
and this de Wa gun shooting have in common. Hitler

481
00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:57.559
Nazis Columbine admiration. All of them like, and most of

482
00:31:57.599 --> 00:32:01.559
these type of attacks share all of that in common. Yeah,

483
00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:08.200
they all idolize Nazis, the Columbine shooters, mass shooters before them,

484
00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:14.720
mm hmm, yeah, among other fascist ideologies. On top of that,

485
00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:20.079
after Columbine happened, there was a rise in like a

486
00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:24.920
fandom of the two shooters of Columbine. They had a name,

487
00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:28.680
Columbiner's No. I don't think I know about this. Yeah.

488
00:32:28.759 --> 00:32:32.519
It began as like women, young women, teens, young teens

489
00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:35.680
and young women like idolizing like like a fandom, but

490
00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:39.440
for these two are you serious? M hm? And then

491
00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:42.720
it kind of morphed and grew into the TCC. Have

492
00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:47.400
you heard of the TCC? I don't. I don't think so. Okay,

493
00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:52.079
this is true crime community. Oh but it's not like

494
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:55.480
listening to a true crime podcast, Like that's not what

495
00:32:55.640 --> 00:32:57.759
it is. It is being a fan of murderers. What

496
00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:01.359
is this? It is a community that obsesses over high

497
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:06.200
profile killers, and then members of this community larp those

498
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:10.319
acts of violence so they'll like they'll dress themselves in

499
00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:14.519
the clothing god these type of shooters had and and

500
00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:18.359
they like like it began with those two of Columbine.

501
00:33:18.519 --> 00:33:22.200
But now like they analyze and I don't know these

502
00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:25.920
people's names because like, you know, fuck these violent like creeps.

503
00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:29.559
Only when I know it's Elliot Rodgers, Elliott, okay, Elliot's something,

504
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:33.480
Dylan Roof, I think Dylan something, he's the yeah he

505
00:33:33.920 --> 00:33:37.680
all these people, yeah, yeah they they I don't know

506
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:41.759
these people, and they like they they create like you

507
00:33:41.799 --> 00:33:45.200
know how one like there's a fandom for Taylor Swift

508
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:48.200
and people will collect all the lore they possibly can

509
00:33:48.279 --> 00:33:52.000
about hurt. They do this but for these high profile killers,

510
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:55.559
and so they'll like collect everything possible when existence about them.

511
00:33:55.839 --> 00:33:58.440
They wear what they would wear. They'll go to a

512
00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:01.240
spot where these people took a selfie and then they

513
00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:05.079
will take a picture there the fuck it's it's insane, honestly,

514
00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:10.519
like like I don't I don't understand it. No, And

515
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:15.360
so like normally they value the esthetics of the attacks,

516
00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:19.800
but they don't do them. They like just like larp Okay,

517
00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:24.159
these so weird. But I guess technically physically harmless, although

518
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:29.239
argue it is emotionally harmful, yes, why would argue the same.

519
00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:31.280
And then of that group, there's there are those who

520
00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:35.079
go on to copy the attacks. Okay, like the copycats

521
00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:38.519
who then acknowledge those who came before them in their

522
00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:41.400
own attacks and manifest those and go on and so on.

523
00:34:41.519 --> 00:34:48.000
So do the copycat killers masshooters start in these TCC communities,

524
00:34:48.599 --> 00:34:53.599
They would seem that way. So the gunman in delty Waghan,

525
00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:58.559
he wore a shirt with the words disconnect and self destruct.

526
00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:01.719
The these are lyrics from a song and I'm so

527
00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:03.719
sorry but I forgot to write down the song name,

528
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:08.840
but these specific lyrics from that song have been associated

529
00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:14.519
with Columbine through the TCC and before that, the Columbiners

530
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:20.079
the predecessors of the True Crime Community aka TCC, and

531
00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:23.519
they like you know, they'll post like like things on

532
00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:27.199
Tumblr idolizing them with these song lyrics. And now that

533
00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:30.800
TikTok's around literal TikTok edits and the way that people

534
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:34.960
do them with like actors. But of these killers with

535
00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:39.199
this song, oh my god, using this song. And so

536
00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:43.000
that's yet another thing that points to the gunman in

537
00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:47.679
toti Wacan having been radicalized in this way. Because yeah,

538
00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:52.679
that's yet another like like a simple and it's nihilistic

539
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:56.920
violence when you like search nihilistic violence like this. Two

540
00:35:57.000 --> 00:35:59.800
groups come up, the TCC, which I know I already

541
00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:02.320
meant learn a little bit about, and most of the

542
00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:11.239
time people young, confused, angry people. Only angry people find

543
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:14.719
the TCC first, and then they join other groups like

544
00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:19.480
No Lives Matter, the Terrorgram Collective seven six y four.

545
00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:24.880
Some of these are more organized, like No Lives Matter

546
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:28.559
and seven sixty four, but they all share neo Nazi

547
00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:33.000
aesthetics anti social behavior. This is from one of the

548
00:36:33.039 --> 00:36:36.159
sources like linked below in the show notes. But let

549
00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:38.400
me read you this about No Lives Matter and like

550
00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:40.599
already you see that name, and like I see that name,

551
00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:43.400
and I'm like, really, no lives matter? Like I don't,

552
00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:46.400
it's like nihilistic, nihilistic. I don't know how to pronounce that.

553
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:49.880
I've been saying nihilistic. Oh I think that's right. Well,

554
00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:51.639
I hope so, because I've been saying it so much.

555
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:57.079
That sounds right. Yeah, Okay. This group's core belief is misanthropy.

556
00:36:57.639 --> 00:37:03.480
In an LM leader begins in undated publication entitled Evil

557
00:37:03.559 --> 00:37:06.519
Has No Limits but the discussion of misanthropy and the

558
00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:11.239
phrase kill or be killed no lives Matter. He goes

559
00:37:11.239 --> 00:37:15.480
on to describe himself as motivated by nihilism and pure hatred.

560
00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:20.960
Other publications produced by the group, including the Manhunt Guide

561
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:26.119
and the No Lives Matter Kill Guide, provide tactical guidance

562
00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:31.360
and encourage violence without any ideological justifications. Group members also

563
00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:36.480
promote antisocial behavior, stating societal centers should not exist and

564
00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:43.400
telling prospective members that they are recruiting true misanthropic individuals.

565
00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:46.400
Is that what that means? Misanthropic? Do you want to

566
00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:50.679
look up misanthropy? Yeah, let me see, Oh it as

567
00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:54.920
a misanthrope as a person who dislike, distrusts, or avoids

568
00:37:54.960 --> 00:38:00.719
human kind and human society. Okay, okay, yeah, so that's

569
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:06.800
what that is. The TCC, from my understanding, is like

570
00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:11.639
the beginning before more radicalized individuals then move on to

571
00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:17.039
No Lives Matter and other groups. The TCC has disavowed

572
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:21.639
the reputation that they have of harboring psychopaths, school shooters,

573
00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:24.960
and neo Nazis, but some other members have also like

574
00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:30.840
embraced that. So wow. I will also add that in

575
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:36.000
cell ideology and the growing manisphere are part of the

576
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:42.000
same pipeline. You know, sometimes through workout videos, a young

577
00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:45.519
person will find you know, like a workout video, and

578
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:48.920
then solely they'll get like in sell something that's like

579
00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:53.239
insul ideology. Then like that goes into like TCC all people,

580
00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:56.639
I Hate all people idealizing like a violent individual who

581
00:38:56.719 --> 00:38:57.719
also hates all people.

582
00:38:58.239 --> 00:38:58.400
Two.

583
00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:01.360
Then like more and more until you get to like,

584
00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:06.239
you know, no lives matter seven six four. There's like

585
00:39:06.280 --> 00:39:09.639
a couple others that I'm like forgetting who all do

586
00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:14.599
the same thing. This, this is a pipeline and this

587
00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:18.480
intel ideology has been growing in places that has not

588
00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:23.920
has not been seen, has not seen content like that before. Yeah,

589
00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:27.000
starting with who you mentioned at the top of the

590
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:33.000
episode at the match, at the match in Mexico, who

591
00:39:33.559 --> 00:39:35.920
is a fell l actor from La Not from La.

592
00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:38.719
He's from Mexico, but he moved to La in his

593
00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:41.480
early twenties to try to make it in Hollywood. He

594
00:39:41.719 --> 00:39:45.280
was like an extra and has minor roles in some shows,

595
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:49.960
but he didn't make it. He went back to Mexico

596
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:54.599
started making online social media content. I think he started

597
00:39:54.639 --> 00:39:57.239
off with like fitness and then started copying, and he

598
00:39:57.280 --> 00:40:01.239
says in his own videos he started cap being agritate

599
00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:04.679
and his messages and then that's when he blow up,

600
00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:10.480
of course, and it's it. This is how it starts.

601
00:40:11.119 --> 00:40:13.119
And then they get to like these type of groups,

602
00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:17.079
and not everyone that finds these groups, yeah, are gonna

603
00:40:17.079 --> 00:40:21.719
do like something, you know. But but there is a

604
00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:28.639
not even an undercurrent, an overt sexist and racist messaging

605
00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:33.480
behind a lot of this content. Yes, exactly, exactly. Actually,

606
00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:35.360
let me finish my notes and then I'll like adut

607
00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:37.599
on what else I was going to say about this. Okay,

608
00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:41.400
So back to the Teoti Wacan gunman. And I'm not

609
00:40:41.440 --> 00:40:43.000
saying his name because, like I said it once and

610
00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:45.840
that's the people want to be famous, yeaight, and so

611
00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:49.280
I'm not repeating his name. So in the days after

612
00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:52.360
the shooting, journalists found his social media accounts. There were

613
00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:56.320
two Twitter accounts, one dating back to twenty thirteen, in

614
00:40:56.320 --> 00:41:06.079
which the bio reads escrito ecologuista, artista die vegano lector

615
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:14.760
little Monster Gaga, fan amante deos Mamma lata a, Lady Gaga,

616
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:22.400
Futuro Scientifico. It's a lot in English, writer, composer, ecologists, artists,

617
00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:31.280
vegan lecture, little Monster God lover Mama Earth and Lady

618
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:35.800
Gaga Future Scientists. That's what his bio said, and in

619
00:41:35.840 --> 00:41:40.480
this twenty thirteen Twitter account he only really posted about

620
00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:45.880
Lady Gaga. Oh okay, there's also this weird people who

621
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:50.559
run like fandom accounts are. I don't want to say

622
00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:53.079
it's a straight up pipeline, it's this kind of stuff either,

623
00:41:53.719 --> 00:41:59.159
but I would say not subject to what is the

624
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:02.440
term I think? I think there? Damn, I just thought

625
00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:07.280
of the word maybe susceptible too, susceptible that kind of content,

626
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:11.480
because there's already this extremism involved in being obsessed, like

627
00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:14.800
an obsessed fan, right, being part of a fandom and

628
00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:18.320
running like fandom pages like that's an extreme version of

629
00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:22.239
being a regular fan, right, and being involved in these

630
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:26.880
other kind of like manisphere type content is similar. Like

631
00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:31.079
it's an extreme Yes, I would agree with you on

632
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:34.760
that for sure. By twenty fifteen, this account was no

633
00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:38.840
longer active, like at all, like it had been long inactive,

634
00:42:39.800 --> 00:42:44.000
and in twenty sixteen he made a new account. This

635
00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:46.400
one seems to be like the complete opposite of his

636
00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:51.960
last one. His PfP is a Nazi salute. His location

637
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:56.440
is said to said, yeah, Spain. He also had three

638
00:42:57.199 --> 00:43:00.119
flags in the you know, like banner or header that

639
00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:04.800
you have on profiles. These three flags represent El Carlismo

640
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:09.280
or carlism I la cruze Borg or the Cross of Burgundy.

641
00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:11.679
And I was like, what are these things? Because I

642
00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:14.280
don't know, Okay, I was just an ask. So both

643
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:17.400
have been adopted by the far right in Spain. Carlism

644
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:22.239
is a traditionalist and legitimates political This is from Wikipedia.

645
00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:25.559
Carlism is a traditionalist and legitimates political movement aimed at

646
00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:29.880
establishing an alternative branch of the Bourbon dynasty, descending from

647
00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:34.039
Don Carlos, Count of Molina, the second surviving son of

648
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:39.559
Carlos the fourth. So like a monarchist okay, yeah, it

649
00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:46.280
adheres to traditionalists conservatism, convert conservatism. Am I saying that weird?

650
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:50.199
At first it say sounded like you said convertism. Okay,

651
00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:57.679
traditionalist conservatism, conservatism. Okay, now you're doing the California team

652
00:43:58.039 --> 00:44:00.960
for everything else. It doesn't work. No, you're right, it

653
00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:09.280
a hears to It adheres to traditionalist conservatism. It was

654
00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:14.440
last big during the Spanish Did I write Spanish American War,

655
00:44:14.840 --> 00:44:20.000
Spanish American War? I guess yeah, Spanish American War and Carlism.

656
00:44:20.480 --> 00:44:23.159
They used the Cross of Burgundy which is like this

657
00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:26.440
big red X. Oh, like a white flag and then

658
00:44:26.440 --> 00:44:29.320
a big red X across it. But they have like

659
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:34.840
traditionalist values. They were anti Marxist. Now I'm wondering if

660
00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:37.639
I wrote the Spanish American War and it was supposed

661
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:40.519
to be the Spanish Civil War, that would make sense,

662
00:44:41.079 --> 00:44:43.400
that would make more sense. It might be that one.

663
00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:45.480
I could be wrong. I'm sorry, but I'm not going

664
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:48.480
back to go don't checking at this point. I'm not

665
00:44:48.559 --> 00:44:51.639
double checking out this point. But but it's like only

666
00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:56.320
the right wing now in Spain talk about this. Oh okay,

667
00:44:56.519 --> 00:45:01.199
they've adopted this flat for themselves. Yeah, yes, yes, exactly.

668
00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:06.280
And he he also posted we had posts out their

669
00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:13.199
posts praising Hitler, Mussolini and Franco all the fascists, yes,

670
00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:17.480
the big three. Mm hmm. His YouTube was also found

671
00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:20.119
and one comment stood out. He left it on a

672
00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:23.840
video titled extreme Tough Beer Shave, Slow and Careful a

673
00:45:23.880 --> 00:45:30.719
SMR what the fuck by Italian barber Danielle mau Yu,

674
00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:35.199
and so his comment in that video he wrote, guero

675
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:41.199
estube and amoralo de ti medcordato at Dick Grayson. Sorry

676
00:45:41.199 --> 00:45:47.119
I didn't check who that was OUI Mexico, Serrato Columbine

677
00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:56.719
act too. Oh my god, Jose protest loco porti membas

678
00:45:57.320 --> 00:46:03.239
and gasa momento respeto. Yeah, but he wrote, so I'm

679
00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:05.760
reading it as it was raising. It's saying, it's a

680
00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:13.119
comic book character. Interesting night Wing. Oh okay, okay, so

681
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:15.599
like comic people, comic book people, you'll know who that is.

682
00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:20.679
It's just like DC Marvel. Do we know teen Titans?

683
00:46:21.199 --> 00:46:27.920
Teen Titans? Huh somebody? All right, well that's what he

684
00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:33.280
said he reminded him of. Anyway, where was I Robin

685
00:46:33.639 --> 00:46:36.960
after he outgrows the Robin identity? Oh my god, I

686
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:42.960
had no I know. Wow, learning something new today? Okay,

687
00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:46.119
well won't you look at that? Let me go back

688
00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:54.119
to this quote. Barbero it professional kelos, Dioces, Deben, Digan, Miquelo,

689
00:46:54.440 --> 00:46:58.119
Danielle Mauyu. First time. I'm sure he meant gala momento,

690
00:46:58.199 --> 00:47:00.199
but he broadcast us. So I read it as it

691
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:02.719
was written. Let me translate that, and then I want

692
00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:05.159
to point something out from what he wrote. Okay, all

693
00:47:05.480 --> 00:47:09.000
thoughts okay, So in English, I want to tell you

694
00:47:09.039 --> 00:47:11.239
that I was always in love with you. You remind me

695
00:47:11.280 --> 00:47:15.280
so much of Dick Grayson. Today, Mixico will be attacked

696
00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:19.079
by Columbine Act two. I will be the protagonist at

697
00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:22.880
Del di Wakan. Know that I was always crazy about you.

698
00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:25.639
You fascinated me on every moment, and I respect you

699
00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:29.039
as an individual, a barber and a professional. May the

700
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:35.440
Gods always bless you, My dear Danielle Mawuyu. Do you

701
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:37.960
want to share your thoughts first on that comment? Know

702
00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:43.440
your first? Okay? So what stood out to me the most?

703
00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:45.800
And you wouldn't know it if you weren't looking at

704
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:49.719
the written comment, the typed out comment. But what set

705
00:47:49.719 --> 00:47:53.000
out to me was a spelling of Mexico with a

706
00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:57.199
J and not an X. Oh that's very intentional. That

707
00:47:57.320 --> 00:48:00.039
is very intentional, and it may seem like nothing. But

708
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:03.360
have we ever talked about this before? I don't think so. Okay,

709
00:48:03.519 --> 00:48:06.199
at least not on here, but maybe on Estoria isn't known.

710
00:48:06.679 --> 00:48:09.960
I don't even think we talked about it there for okay,

711
00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:12.960
somehow I know about this, but go ahead, okay, Well,

712
00:48:13.400 --> 00:48:16.719
if we recall from like a couple months ago at most,

713
00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:20.400
there was that right wing Spanish politician who was invited

714
00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:26.679
to Mexico by that governor when she was invited, they

715
00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:29.480
like did this celebration for ernand Cortes. It was like

716
00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:31.639
a whole deal. I'm sure like everybody knows about it

717
00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:35.119
by now. Yeah, this Spanish politician talked about how the

718
00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:38.639
proper spelling of Mexico is with a J, because that

719
00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:42.639
is how the Spanish spelled it Mexico. On the other hand,

720
00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:48.280
since they're independence, they have embraced the X because this

721
00:48:48.360 --> 00:48:52.760
is like the non Spanish spelling. It is indigenous and nature,

722
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:56.199
the uix and let's know quickly, of course they were

723
00:48:57.000 --> 00:49:01.079
slaughtering all the indigenous people they could and taking their lands,

724
00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:09.079
but yeah, they also wanted to claim the indigenous ancestry.

725
00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:15.320
They needed to create their own identity outside of the Spanish,

726
00:49:16.519 --> 00:49:21.000
which is where the Messico comes in. Yeah, long story,

727
00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:24.039
long story that we're going to keep short for the

728
00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:26.320
purposes of this episode because we're like already at an

729
00:49:26.320 --> 00:49:33.360
hour hour round. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But Mexico intentionally distanced

730
00:49:33.400 --> 00:49:36.920
themselves from the way the Spanish spelled Mexico. They spelled

731
00:49:36.920 --> 00:49:39.480
with a J, and so now today if you are

732
00:49:39.519 --> 00:49:42.639
spelling it with a J and you're not Spanish, it's

733
00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:46.000
a what do they call it whistle. Yeah, like a

734
00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:50.079
dog whistle. Yes, thank you, it's a dog whistle. And

735
00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:54.440
this made me think because this individual he spoke in

736
00:49:54.519 --> 00:49:56.880
that video in a Spanish accent. Yeah, his set, his

737
00:49:57.559 --> 00:50:01.639
location in his Twitter bio was Spain. He wants to

738
00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:05.199
be the colonizer, not the colonized. He wants to be Spanish, right,

739
00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:10.840
he he has identified with the Spanish. Yeah, and it

740
00:50:11.320 --> 00:50:14.559
goes along with everything we've been saying in this episode, right.

741
00:50:16.519 --> 00:50:20.800
And this reminded me because when I saw that intentional

742
00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:25.519
spelling of Mexico, right, it just like solidified his that

743
00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:28.960
he wants to be Spanish, that he believes, you know,

744
00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:34.079
in that ideology white supremacy so on. So this made

745
00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:37.199
me think of the recent mosque shooting in San Diego.

746
00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:43.239
One of the shooters was named Caleb Basquez. Yeah, and

747
00:50:43.280 --> 00:50:46.599
in his little manifesto where he and his dumb, little

748
00:50:47.079 --> 00:50:51.079
fucking partner, they had a little about me sections. Because

749
00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:53.199
everything's a joke to these people, on top of everything

750
00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:56.320
is it's a nihilism. Yeah, and it's like I'm not

751
00:50:56.960 --> 00:50:59.920
doing this, I'm a character and this is happening kind

752
00:50:59.920 --> 00:51:03.519
of attitude because they know that they will be then

753
00:51:03.719 --> 00:51:09.239
added to this whole communities. Yeah, and they even include

754
00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:12.599
their like social media handles so that people can find

755
00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:16.840
the community will go looking exactly exactly and so which

756
00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:20.719
is why we try not to say their names too much. Yeah,

757
00:51:21.199 --> 00:51:24.159
but he wrote in his about me section, they also

758
00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:26.760
put like memes this this has another turn this whole

759
00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:31.320
very serious while doing the most heinous fucking acts exactly,

760
00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:34.079
and that is in line with the nihilistic violence that

761
00:51:34.119 --> 00:51:37.000
we're speaking of in this entire episode. So in his

762
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:41.320
bio bio, in his about me section, he wrote that

763
00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:44.480
he was quote half Spanish and some French and some

764
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:48.400
Northern Mexican, which would make me about seventy to eighty

765
00:51:48.440 --> 00:51:52.960
five percent of European genetic descent end quote. You see

766
00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:56.079
how they like always try and go to the Spanish

767
00:51:56.079 --> 00:51:59.360
side first, Like, yeah, so that's what I wanted to

768
00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:02.639
point out. Find me Sorry, kind of a side tagent,

769
00:52:02.719 --> 00:52:06.519
But in over Isaias Unknown our history podcasts for anyone

770
00:52:06.519 --> 00:52:09.039
that doesn't know, when we talked about the bar patrol,

771
00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:11.280
and we talked about Pete Torres, one of the first

772
00:52:11.599 --> 00:52:16.880
Mexican American border Patrol agents, who was like, I'm not Mexican,

773
00:52:16.960 --> 00:52:19.760
I'm Spain. Heard I'm Spanish. Don't call me a Mexican

774
00:52:19.840 --> 00:52:23.320
or I'll shoot you and mind you. These people, some

775
00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:26.679
people in I think they were in New Mexico, are

776
00:52:27.280 --> 00:52:31.639
Spanish origin, like from Spain, descended from people from Spain.

777
00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:34.480
But by that point there was not that much original

778
00:52:34.639 --> 00:52:37.760
like people from Spain anymore. Like they were mythic. So

779
00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:41.159
they were Mexicans, they just don't want to admit it. Yeah,

780
00:52:41.800 --> 00:52:44.000
and so that's what this made me think of when

781
00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:48.840
I saw that and his comment. Yeah, was there anything

782
00:52:48.840 --> 00:52:51.239
else you were going to add about his comment? Well,

783
00:52:51.320 --> 00:52:56.199
the internalized homophobia stuck out to me because we know

784
00:52:56.320 --> 00:53:00.920
he was these all these isms, right, Like, I don't

785
00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:03.519
know if you outright found anything homophobic of his, but

786
00:53:03.559 --> 00:53:06.559
we can assume based on everything else. And that classmate

787
00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:10.119
who said he was homophobic. Oh, I forgot about that already,

788
00:53:10.119 --> 00:53:12.960
that's right. Yeah, that was at the beginning an hour ago.

789
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:17.079
That was a long time ago. My brain was somewhere else. Yeah,

790
00:53:17.119 --> 00:53:19.559
so he was homophobic, but he over here he's saying

791
00:53:19.559 --> 00:53:25.039
like I love you to this male YouTuber. Yeah. Yeah,

792
00:53:25.360 --> 00:53:29.639
and now that he has committed this violent act, and

793
00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:32.320
he probably knew that he was going to end his life,

794
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:36.719
do we Yeah, he could admit to this YouTuber how

795
00:53:36.719 --> 00:53:39.639
he felt, but he couldn't do it before. And it's

796
00:53:39.639 --> 00:53:43.960
like internalized homophobia, but homophobia. But also this was a

797
00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:47.840
mesty soft person, right he was not really a white Mexican,

798
00:53:47.960 --> 00:53:53.320
not really, No, he wasn't. So there's that internalized racism

799
00:53:53.360 --> 00:53:59.119
as well, that that want to be white European h

800
00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:04.840
And that's really everything I have on Dirty Wakhan and

801
00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:16.679
the gunment of Dilty Wakan. But before we end this episode,

802
00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:24.039
I wanted to add something about these nihilistic communities who

803
00:54:24.199 --> 00:54:26.519
and then you know, the shooters of these communities who

804
00:54:26.559 --> 00:54:29.239
do end up doing like these very violent things and

805
00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:33.880
are the rights and are on the rise? Yeah, and

806
00:54:33.960 --> 00:54:37.880
this type of thing is on the rise exactly. It's

807
00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:41.679
it's scary. They target very specific people who you know,

808
00:54:41.679 --> 00:54:45.079
we already said they're lonely, they might be angry. They

809
00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:48.039
also like adopt this I don't know. And it's like

810
00:54:48.239 --> 00:54:50.840
it's a rough world right now, right like you know,

811
00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:59.000
we're seeing the literal genocide uh in Palestine. We're you know,

812
00:54:59.119 --> 00:55:02.639
like this per in Mexico has had grown up with

813
00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:05.599
the cartel violence that have also been on the rise.

814
00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:09.480
Here in the US, school shootings are on the rise,

815
00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:15.159
jobs are there's no prospects for jobs, things are bleak.

816
00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:18.480
To say, these are bleak, right, And so instead of

817
00:55:18.559 --> 00:55:25.039
I don't know, remaining hopeful, they they, I don't know,

818
00:55:25.159 --> 00:55:30.360
deep dive into into this nihilistic viewpoint and they and they,

819
00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:32.400
I don't know how much I believe this, but like

820
00:55:32.440 --> 00:55:34.719
a lot of like media already says gen Z in

821
00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:38.079
general is kind of nihilistic, right, yeah, at least here

822
00:55:38.079 --> 00:55:40.320
in the US they say that already. And so then

823
00:55:40.360 --> 00:55:43.639
you find, you know, these nihilistic communities, and I would

824
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:45.519
assume it work. Since is there another term for like

825
00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:49.840
accelerationalists or something like that. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, accellent, Yeah,

826
00:55:49.880 --> 00:55:55.480
that's what it is. Accelerationism. They use like the most

827
00:55:55.519 --> 00:55:59.559
like hateful terms. There's a reason that's mostly like men

828
00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:02.760
and who are more susceptible to this, Like like here's

829
00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:06.480
like a type of I feel like all teen boys

830
00:56:06.840 --> 00:56:09.199
kind of fall into this where they like who can

831
00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:12.039
say the craziest thing, who can get the most negative attention,

832
00:56:12.159 --> 00:56:15.239
like not everybody, but a big part of them. And

833
00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:19.920
then like like edge lordism, right, reactionism, edge lordism, like

834
00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:24.199
that's like gonna undo us all if things don't change.

835
00:56:24.280 --> 00:56:26.719
And I don't know what the answers are to me.

836
00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:31.639
I think like maybe touching grass and community. But the

837
00:56:31.639 --> 00:56:33.440
truth is that a lot of these people are also

838
00:56:33.679 --> 00:56:38.920
like in very not good home situations. They have found uh,

839
00:56:39.079 --> 00:56:44.840
accepting and belonging, belonging, acceptance and belonging Yes, in a

840
00:56:44.920 --> 00:56:49.440
computer m h. And you know there's only at some

841
00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:51.480
point I feel like it's it's like hard to move

842
00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:55.360
someone away from that. Yeah, I think. I think it

843
00:56:55.440 --> 00:57:00.519
has to start. The prevention has to start way before

844
00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:05.119
you even think this could be a problem. Yeah, way

845
00:57:05.159 --> 00:57:10.599
before they have the opportunity to isolate themselves and get

846
00:57:10.599 --> 00:57:13.760
into these worlds. I'll tell you what. It's difficult to

847
00:57:13.760 --> 00:57:15.599
get into these kind of worlds when the only computer

848
00:57:15.639 --> 00:57:19.719
in the home is the living room. Yes, yes, that

849
00:57:19.840 --> 00:57:26.719
is true. I think that parents are overworked because of capitalism.

850
00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:29.599
Some people are some parents are straight up neglectful or whatever.

851
00:57:29.679 --> 00:57:32.719
But everyone's listened to it not to sound like what's

852
00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:34.760
his name that I can't stand because he's full of shit.

853
00:57:36.440 --> 00:57:38.920
The author who writes about the phones all the time,

854
00:57:39.119 --> 00:57:43.760
the anxious generation, the author that guy, I think he's

855
00:57:43.760 --> 00:57:46.239
a zignist, by the way, I think I heard that. No, yeah, yeah, y,

856
00:57:46.239 --> 00:57:48.599
it's right, like pretty yeah, I'm pretty sure it's like

857
00:57:48.639 --> 00:57:52.920
not hidden. Yeah, anyway, that guy. I don't agree with him.

858
00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:56.159
I don't support his views, but I think there is

859
00:57:56.199 --> 00:57:58.599
a lot to be said where people are on their

860
00:57:58.639 --> 00:58:01.679
phones more than they're spending time with each other, especially

861
00:58:01.800 --> 00:58:05.000
people in the same house as in family, and these

862
00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:12.159
connections and like social skills and whatnot. They're learned first

863
00:58:12.199 --> 00:58:15.079
in the home, not to be like family for his

864
00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:20.880
home firstly kind of person. But it starts. It starts

865
00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:29.119
at the home, sadly, unfortunately, I'm sorry parents, it does anyway, yeah, yeah,

866
00:58:29.840 --> 00:58:32.000
and like and I don't know, just to add, like

867
00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:35.239
one more thing, this Delty Wakhan shooter, you could tell

868
00:58:35.480 --> 00:58:38.840
at some point between twenty thirteen and twenty fifteen was

869
00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:42.360
the radicals. Something happened there because he was a Lady

870
00:58:42.400 --> 00:58:49.199
Gaga fan identifying as Little Monster and then two three

871
00:58:49.280 --> 00:58:56.440
years later Nazi. Yeah what happened exactly. So yeah, just

872
00:58:57.559 --> 00:59:02.199
I don't know. I'm sorry for this pressing episode because

873
00:59:02.239 --> 00:59:04.679
this type of radicalization seems to be on the rise,

874
00:59:05.199 --> 00:59:07.320
and it is at the root of this shooting and

875
00:59:07.360 --> 00:59:09.639
the one in Meet Guy. Actually, now that you're mentioning that,

876
00:59:09.679 --> 00:59:13.320
I have a recommendation. BBC has a documentary on YouTube.

877
00:59:14.280 --> 00:59:16.239
I don't remember what's called. I'm sure you'll find it

878
00:59:16.239 --> 00:59:20.119
if you just put BBC Manisphere documentary, Oh, it'll pop up.

879
00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:24.639
But it's about the international Manisphere, right, because the Manisphere

880
00:59:24.800 --> 00:59:29.679
initially is like a Western conception and now it's spread

881
00:59:29.840 --> 00:59:32.719
to the global seulth like you mentioned, and so they

882
00:59:32.840 --> 00:59:38.760
focused on I think it's just too right influencers. Which

883
00:59:38.800 --> 00:59:42.920
one is at the match we were talking about today,

884
00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:46.480
and then the other one is a gentleman from Oh

885
00:59:46.519 --> 00:59:50.159
my god, where is he from? I was just gonna

886
00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:53.400
say it, and I forgot, like an African country? Now, yes,

887
00:59:53.480 --> 00:59:55.719
it's a country in Africa. I just don't remember which one.

888
00:59:56.639 --> 00:59:58.960
It kind of boged me that because Nigeria is it?

889
00:59:59.079 --> 01:00:01.559
I don't remember. But it's because like we were so

890
01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:03.639
used to see in Africa that I like have a

891
01:00:03.639 --> 01:00:07.280
hard time memorizing what countries. There's so many countries. I know,

892
01:00:07.519 --> 01:00:11.280
I know there is, so anyway, it's a country in Africa,

893
01:00:11.440 --> 01:00:15.679
and it's about them and their fans and how they

894
01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:18.920
basically write off everything like anything concerning They're like, oh,

895
01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:21.880
I'm just questioning things like what your rogan does. Yeah,

896
01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:26.199
I'm just asking questions. And all their topics have to

897
01:00:26.239 --> 01:00:29.719
do with women being fucking whoores and hating women and

898
01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:32.280
oh yeah, you can beat up a women because they

899
01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:35.960
should be submitting to you anyway, kind of kind of content,

900
01:00:36.039 --> 01:00:39.400
and then they try to like make excuses. So anyway,

901
01:00:39.559 --> 01:00:43.199
it's about the minister spreading to the goal South, and

902
01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:46.480
it's these kind of things are going to keep happening

903
01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:52.400
if this kind of content continues too. Yeah. Yeah, And

904
01:00:53.079 --> 01:00:55.320
I know we say this so much, especially in March

905
01:00:55.440 --> 01:00:59.159
during all of our femicide episodes. Yeah, but it truly,

906
01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:03.079
truly is so important for everyone first to like, I

907
01:01:03.159 --> 01:01:06.519
have empathy for all, but especially like women and like feminism,

908
01:01:06.760 --> 01:01:10.559
because if everyone was a feminist, these things weren't happen. Yeah,

909
01:01:10.760 --> 01:01:16.159
if if people with women and girls in their lives,

910
01:01:16.199 --> 01:01:26.440
which is everybody just accepted realized that we are equals. Sure, equals,

911
01:01:26.440 --> 01:01:28.159
not in every sense of the word, because nobody is

912
01:01:28.159 --> 01:01:30.920
equal to anyone in every sense, you know what I mean,

913
01:01:31.639 --> 01:01:37.400
But we are deserving of the same rights, of actual rights,

914
01:01:37.840 --> 01:01:40.840
and no one is deserving of control and violence in

915
01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:44.199
their their lives, especially not because of their gender. And

916
01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:49.159
yet machismo is so normal, so female based violence is

917
01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:52.440
so normal, and the control of women and girls and

918
01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:57.800
boys children in general is so normalized and controlled. And

919
01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:01.119
if that kind of environment did already exists, then the

920
01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:05.199
manisphere would not be able to flourish the way it has. Yeah,

921
01:02:05.239 --> 01:02:07.639
and then you know, again, it's a pipeline. So the

922
01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:10.679
manusphere kind of flourish, and then in that way, this

923
01:02:10.840 --> 01:02:17.880
nihilistic way of being, these other TCC creepy, insane communities

924
01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:21.000
also don't flourish. The hatred in them and all that, like,

925
01:02:21.400 --> 01:02:24.719
you know, so, oh and sorry before are we done

926
01:02:24.760 --> 01:02:30.559
with this? Sure? Yeah, okay, unless we go not about that,

927
01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:32.599
not about that. I think we kind of touched everything.

928
01:02:41.320 --> 01:02:43.360
I did want to say, though, is there anything bringing

929
01:02:43.400 --> 01:02:46.599
you joy? Because I feel like we need that. Oh God,

930
01:02:46.760 --> 01:02:49.119
this has been like one of the worst weeks for me,

931
01:02:49.960 --> 01:02:56.719
So my book club has been bringing me joy. It's

932
01:02:56.719 --> 01:03:00.440
supposed to be a secret, and you're right, I'm adding

933
01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:03.800
it to everybody. I'll make sure to tell my book club.

934
01:03:04.599 --> 01:03:10.679
We didn't name it secret Society of something anyway. We

935
01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:15.360
just finished a rom com what's it called a funny

936
01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:18.639
Story by Emily Henry and it was. It was just

937
01:03:18.679 --> 01:03:23.280
such a lighthearted book. And I after I have been

938
01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:25.280
reading like a bunch of heavy stuff plus all the

939
01:03:25.320 --> 01:03:28.280
heavy stuff in the world in my life. It was

940
01:03:28.280 --> 01:03:32.239
a good, good break. So us getting together, going to

941
01:03:32.360 --> 01:03:35.000
bookstores and talking about the book has brought me a

942
01:03:35.039 --> 01:03:37.039
lot of joy. Also, I finally went on a run

943
01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:40.079
after a long time, like two three weeks. I love

944
01:03:40.119 --> 01:03:44.599
that for you, So yeah, what about you? Nice? Well

945
01:03:44.639 --> 01:03:52.039
for me. Let me preface this by saying, I know

946
01:03:52.360 --> 01:03:56.679
the World Cup is problematic. Historically it always has been

947
01:03:57.519 --> 01:04:01.199
just give all the caveats. Yeah, no, really, it has

948
01:04:01.239 --> 01:04:07.079
been used to prop up dictatorships, legitimized dictorship. And also

949
01:04:07.679 --> 01:04:13.119
things are bad in the host countries, the US included, right,

950
01:04:13.320 --> 01:04:18.440
like the treatment of certain teams ice, all that in

951
01:04:18.519 --> 01:04:22.960
the US, workers striking because of like unfair pay at

952
01:04:23.079 --> 01:04:27.880
like hotels for World Cup visitors, right, you know, all

953
01:04:27.880 --> 01:04:31.480
that kind of stuff in the US. Obviously, the madre,

954
01:04:32.119 --> 01:04:37.039
the treatment of the madres in Mexico. The teacher strike

955
01:04:37.159 --> 01:04:42.039
is also happening in Mexico, and like all these things

956
01:04:42.039 --> 01:04:46.239
are wrong, right, But the game itself has always brought

957
01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:49.400
me joy. It's always been a source of, like I

958
01:04:49.400 --> 01:04:52.639
don't know, joy for me. When we were kids and

959
01:04:52.719 --> 01:04:56.079
our first visit to Mexico, our grandpa took us to

960
01:04:56.239 --> 01:04:59.159
an Atlas Achieves game and he was so proud of

961
01:04:59.159 --> 01:05:02.280
me because I love Atlas and we had at Me

962
01:05:02.360 --> 01:05:06.480
and my other or other cousin who also is the

963
01:05:06.480 --> 01:05:09.159
only other one who roots for Atlas and always has

964
01:05:09.360 --> 01:05:13.920
no one, No one in the family except Alito. You

965
01:05:14.079 --> 01:05:19.440
and Christian, our cousin, were Adlas fans. Everyone else is America.

966
01:05:20.239 --> 01:05:22.320
He took us to the game. You and Louise were

967
01:05:22.360 --> 01:05:25.679
wearing America and Chivas jersey. Yeah, because I have always

968
01:05:25.719 --> 01:05:27.480
so I don't watch soccer anymore, but when I did,

969
01:05:27.519 --> 01:05:30.119
I was an America fan. I think because I just

970
01:05:30.159 --> 01:05:32.920
copied our mom, Yeah, because she was an America fan.

971
01:05:33.360 --> 01:05:35.719
And then our brother copied our uncle and that's why

972
01:05:35.760 --> 01:05:39.920
he's a Chievas fan. Yeah. Yeah, And so that's like

973
01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:43.840
one of my most fond earliest memories, Yeah, being there

974
01:05:43.960 --> 01:05:48.400
with him during that game. And then sometimes during visits

975
01:05:48.400 --> 01:05:51.079
in Mexico, there'll be a game on and just like

976
01:05:51.079 --> 01:05:53.119
like a national game, like the national team and we'd

977
01:05:53.119 --> 01:05:56.000
watch it together. Like I remember one specific game after

978
01:05:56.039 --> 01:06:01.119
the earthquake, and so like when when the game was

979
01:06:01.119 --> 01:06:03.400
happening and they like they had like a moment of

980
01:06:03.400 --> 01:06:07.440
silence or something because of the earthquake that had just happened,

981
01:06:07.519 --> 01:06:09.480
and it was like dead quiet in that stadium, and

982
01:06:09.559 --> 01:06:12.960
just like I turned to was like because he just

983
01:06:13.000 --> 01:06:15.280
like instead of trying trying not to cry, he would

984
01:06:15.320 --> 01:06:18.199
start coughing, yeah, in an effort to not cry. He

985
01:06:18.199 --> 01:06:21.400
would just cough. Yeah. And then like when he was

986
01:06:21.440 --> 01:06:28.840
already sick, at Last, at Last won the championship, which

987
01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:32.760
they had not won in like decades years, like so long.

988
01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:34.519
It was like a curse at this point that people

989
01:06:34.559 --> 01:06:36.159
referred to it as a curse that we're just like

990
01:06:36.199 --> 01:06:38.840
could not win. And they won, and he witnessed it,

991
01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:44.719
and we weren't visiting when that happened, but we saw

992
01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:47.960
videos and he's like he's full on teers, him and

993
01:06:48.599 --> 01:06:51.000
her cousin who the class fans, and I'm just like

994
01:06:51.039 --> 01:06:54.880
watching them because the window was at home. Yeah, my

995
01:06:54.920 --> 01:07:01.119
own tears crying and so yeah, just like earliest memories,

996
01:07:01.400 --> 01:07:07.559
it was soccer and your core memories, as they say, yeah,

997
01:07:08.159 --> 01:07:10.960
so yeah, the game itself, and then like I wasn't

998
01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:12.920
want to be soccer player for years, like I was,

999
01:07:12.960 --> 01:07:14.599
I thought I was good. I really wasn't, but I

1000
01:07:14.599 --> 01:07:18.039
thought I was amazing. So yeah, it's like it's a

1001
01:07:18.199 --> 01:07:20.079
it's a beautiful game. It's the game of the people,

1002
01:07:20.440 --> 01:07:22.599
you know, a game for the people, whatever the saying is.

1003
01:07:23.440 --> 01:07:26.280
And so every World Cup, I'm just like I'm obsessed

1004
01:07:26.320 --> 01:07:28.679
with everything. I still remember, as you can see from

1005
01:07:28.800 --> 01:07:32.119
Ystoia as a known that we've been posting every World Cup.

1006
01:07:32.119 --> 01:07:34.119
I like, I remember, like all you who remembers this

1007
01:07:34.199 --> 01:07:37.159
game or this or that whatever. And so I took

1008
01:07:37.199 --> 01:07:40.599
my children to go see last week's game. At the

1009
01:07:40.599 --> 01:07:43.920
time of recording last week's game, Mexico versus South Africa

1010
01:07:44.480 --> 01:07:46.960
at like a fan center because you know, Seattle's a

1011
01:07:46.960 --> 01:07:49.679
host city and so they have like all these fan zones,

1012
01:07:49.840 --> 01:07:51.719
and so we went to watch it at the Seattle Center.

1013
01:07:51.880 --> 01:07:54.880
It was packed with the Mexicans. We were just cheering

1014
01:07:55.039 --> 01:07:57.079
for Mexico. It was it was just beautiful to be

1015
01:07:57.079 --> 01:08:01.360
among our people cheering on the national team. Had three

1016
01:08:01.920 --> 01:08:04.079
the children, they were like standing on chairs and they

1017
01:08:04.079 --> 01:08:07.199
were like Mexico, Mexico. It was it was adorable. And

1018
01:08:07.280 --> 01:08:09.880
I've been just watching all the games. It's been pretty

1019
01:08:09.880 --> 01:08:13.480
fun just watching Like like I I they were holding

1020
01:08:13.519 --> 01:08:16.760
it down in their first game this World Cup and

1021
01:08:16.800 --> 01:08:20.000
they hadn't been to a World Cup in years, so

1022
01:08:20.039 --> 01:08:23.159
that was like pretty cool to see that forty year

1023
01:08:23.199 --> 01:08:28.079
old goalkeeper from Gurasao. Also, like, it's just like been

1024
01:08:28.199 --> 01:08:31.600
like very fun to see different moments of Belgium and Egypt.

1025
01:08:31.640 --> 01:08:33.720
That was a fun game to watch, Like I just like,

1026
01:08:33.760 --> 01:08:37.279
I love watching these games. I'm very excited for South

1027
01:08:37.319 --> 01:08:42.920
Korea versus Mexico this Thursday. I'm gonna go watch it

1028
01:08:43.119 --> 01:08:48.039
at another Seattle Center, Seattle Center, another fan zone. I

1029
01:08:48.079 --> 01:08:49.640
planned to be there like two hours early to get

1030
01:08:49.680 --> 01:08:51.520
some good seats. I mean that one sounds like it's

1031
01:08:51.560 --> 01:08:54.039
gonna be good. That's gonna be good. And that's another

1032
01:08:54.119 --> 01:08:57.239
one of my favorite moments World Cup moments, the love

1033
01:08:57.319 --> 01:09:01.760
between South Korea and Mexico go, which dates back to

1034
01:09:01.800 --> 01:09:04.880
that twenty eighteen World Cup. We made a video about

1035
01:09:04.880 --> 01:09:07.079
it ani Storia as our known So I won't go

1036
01:09:07.159 --> 01:09:11.279
on or not, but that's what's been bringing me joy, amazing, amazing.

1037
01:09:11.520 --> 01:09:15.119
I've also been enjoying all the content videos I've been

1038
01:09:15.119 --> 01:09:18.000
seeing about the World Cup, yours included you're coming and

1039
01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:23.119
maybe laugh for I make crying okay, and we'll end

1040
01:09:23.159 --> 01:09:29.159
on that note. Community remember, community, Hope, Ope, ope, core

1041
01:09:31.199 --> 01:09:35.680
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1042
01:09:35.720 --> 01:09:39.159
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1043
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