June 12, 2026

Pulse Nightclub (Re-release)

Pulse Nightclub (Re-release)
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Terror struck the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, Florida in June 12, 2016. The club was hosting their weekly Latin club when a man entered and opened fire. 49 were dead and over 50 were wounded. Over 90 percent of victims were Latinos.

Today June 12, 2026 is the anniversary of this event and Espooky Tales is re-releasing episode 170 in light of today.

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Hi everyone. This is Christina and this is MJ and Carmen.

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So I am talking about the Post nightclub shooting. You know,

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just trigger warning for like mass murder, and yeah, I

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think that covers it. Okay, So to go a little

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bit into what happened that day and then we'll go

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to more details. But on Unjune twelve, twenty sixteen, a

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gunman opened fire at the Post nightclub in Orlando, Florida.

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Fortnite people were killed and fifty three were wounded, and

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over ninety percent of those who were killed and wounded,

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I mean were Latino, Latine LATINX and it's Pride month,

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and this horrific crime truly affected the Latina community of Florida,

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and I mean like all over the US really, and

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I feel like only the Latine organizations were the ones

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like really talking about how this was the Latina community

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that was mostly affected.

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Yeah, So to speak a little bit as someone that

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puts the B in LGBTQ and has been part of

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the community, there's a lot of racist white LGBTQ people, a.

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Lot of too many really, and then they use their

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identity to like justify like yeah, it's called pink washing.

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It's it's an issue like how are you going to

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be marginalized part of a marginalized community and continue to marginalize.

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Others, but because at the end of the day, they're

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still white. Yeah, that's true, and they're align with white supremacy.

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So it is it's a huge issue.

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It's a huge issue.

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Yeah, and these things are all tied, as we say

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many times here on a spooky tails And so that's

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why I wanted to talk about it today because it

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was a crime that affected the Latina community, the LGBTQ

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plus Latina community, and I've been wanting to cover it

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for a while, and now that we're doing true crime

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in every episode, I was like, this is the perfect time.

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It's Pride Month. So yeah, So to get into the

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club first. Pulse was founded in two thousand and four

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by Barbara Poma and Ron Legler. Barbara named the club

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Pulls after her brother John, who had died from AIDS

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in nineteen ninety one. She said, it's name for John's

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pulls to live on, which I am I crying right

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now when I was reading it. Before John became sick,

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he was the life of the party and he introduced

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Barbara to the underground night life where they grew up

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in for Lauderdale, and so they were out partying together.

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He was, you know, showing her the scene and she

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didn't know anything about it, but she felt so welcomed,

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even though she wasn't part of like she wasn't any

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type of uh archibot herself. Yes, thank you, but she

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just felt so welcome. You know, there is something about

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gay clubs like there's nothing else like it out there.

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I love.

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They really are inclusive and protective of femininity, in which

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I can appreciate because it's one of the few places

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where femininity is accepted and loved and celebrated.

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Yes, yeah, yeah, I love it. And you're least likely

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to be grow up there.

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Also, though it is a problem, I heard it as

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a problem that a lot of uh straight women bring

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their straight partners.

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Yeah, leave them at home. Nobody wants them there. Also,

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I don't I feel like if you're just with your

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straight friends, you shouldn't go there, but if you're with

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your gay friends, you can't go there. It's a good rule. Yeah,

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because you hear about bachelorette parties and they're not like

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they're just like straight and they go there, you know,

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And I'm like, I don't. I don't know if that's right.

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I feel I do understand though, like the safety, the

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wanting the safety thing.

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Because yeah, I get that too, but also be aware

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and don't be disrespectful. Like a lot of times what

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is called self aware, be self aware because a lot

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of people are not and.

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They go into places where there are guests and they

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don't behave like guests.

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Yeah, behave like a guest. Okay, that's the rule. And

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I don't know if you're going to get into it,

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but I know like for a lot of LGBTU people

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when they go to gay club and stuff, it's like

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it's more than just like going out, like if I

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were to go to the club and dance, you know

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what I mean, Like because it's one of the first

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places that probably is welcoming and celebrating and of accepting

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who they are. So it's like it's so much more

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like communal. And yes, it's funny you say that because

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Barbara even on the website of polls, she said it's

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more than a club was on there, and yeah it is,

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And that's what she felt like when she was partying

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with her with her brother, and so when he died

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in nineteen einety one after battling HIV, which turned into

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ads for years, that's when she opened Polls to create

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a place like where what he first introduced her to.

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She wanted to make that for everyone. And so it

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was a gay bar, a gay club, but it was

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so much more than that. It was a safe place

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for the LGBTU plus community, and it served also as

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a place for the community to learn about HIV, p

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breast cancer awareness, and immigrant rights. Wow, they did all

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of that too, and they partnered with a lot of

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educational and advocacy groups like Come Out with Pride and

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Equality Florida. So really more than just a club and

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likely lead that out in all senses. Yeah, and so

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the club again more than a club. It was very

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very popular. There was in a list of Orlando in

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like the top ten clubs and so. On June eleventh,

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twenty sixteen, it was the club's weekly Latin night and

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it was packed. Club goers were having a good time, dancing, drinking.

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Drag Queen Kenya michaels A Rue Paul drag race contestant

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had just finished performing and it was amazing. And then

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last call was announced around two am, and so now

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it was June twelve. There were about three hundred and

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twenty people in the club when last call was announced,

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and then out of nowhere, gunshots were fired near the entrance.

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Adam Gruhler, who was an off duty officer working that

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night as a security guard, he was armed, and so

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he pulled out his gun and he tried to shoot

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back at the gunman, and their gun battle was brief

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because the gunman had a semi automatic rifle and a

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semi automatic pistol, and so Adam Gruhler he had to

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retreat because he was like, my weapon, I can't like

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I'm not I don't have enough firepower to like try

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and get him. So he you know, retreated and hit somewhere,

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and he called for backup. And because he was an officer,

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I think, and he was the one that called for

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backup aside from like maybe phone calls that club goers

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room making. The police arrived very quickly two well four,

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so in four minutes, wow, wow, yeah, And I know, yeah.

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That is unheard of because their take for fucking ever.

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Yeah yeah, So it was an additional units, So I

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think a pair of officers together in the car, but

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still like that was very fast. So as he retreats,

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the gunman continues firing, hitting at least a dozen club goers,

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like within seconds. Panic obviously ensued. You know, people are

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running away and he's just killing them as they're trying

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to run away. So the additional officers arrived at two

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o four. When they got inside, Adam told them the

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gunman was on the patio, and then the officers joined

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him where they were trying to fight out the gunmen

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together in hopes of stopping him, and the gunman was

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firing back at the officers, but then he ran into

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one of the bathrooms, which then created a hostage situation

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because a ton of people ran into the bathroom to

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try and hide when they first heard gunshots. So at

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two nine, there was a warning that appeared on the club,

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the club's Facebook page that said everyone get out of

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polls and keep running. Oh my god, that's so so horrible. Yeah,

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some people were able to do so, and not everyone could,

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like people were trapped and and hell cologne. He had

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been at the club with his friends when they heard

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the gunshots and they ran, but he was shot three

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times when they were running away, and he fell and

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then he was trampled because there was so many people there,

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so he was stuck on the floor and he saw

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as the gunman was just shooting the people around him,

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but he played dead and he survived. Oh my god,

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it's just like it's so horrifying. Ray Rivenna, he was

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the DJ that night. He took cover behind his booth

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and then hit two other people with him, and the

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three were able to escape together. And there was a

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lot of people that had been wounded, but they were

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still alive playing dead on the dance floor, which worked

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through some people and some people didn't. Swat arrived around

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to eighteen am, so again that's pretty fast because everything

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started at two am. The gunman was still in the bathroom,

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and so someone else that was at the club, Patients Carter.

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She was there with her friends. She was on vacation

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with them. They had arrived two pulls at bed night

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and before everything happened. She described the night as magical

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and like she felt, I don't know, alive, welcome, loved

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for the first time, like out of any place she

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had been before. So they were, yeah, having like the

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night of their life before everything went down. When they

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heard gunshots they were confused because like it's dark, there's

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very loud of music. At first, they thought it was fireworks,

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but then they saw other people running, so they ran outside.

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And when her and her friends got outside, they you know,

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did a headcount to make sure everyone was there. But

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one friend was missing.

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Oh my god.

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I can't imagine the fear that they must know, and

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I don't know, maybe the guilt. They went back inside,

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oh my god, to find their friend. Oh my god.

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And when I read that, I cried because, like not

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to get a little head, but Patience was the only

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one who survives out of her friends. I'm gonna cry

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right now. I know it's horrible. I'm so the group.

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You know, they ran back and started to find their friend.

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But at this point they saw the gunmen, like you know,

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in their direction, and they ran into the bathroom to

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hide because they saw other people running down. How they

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became part of the host They became part of the

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hoste situation. My god. And when they were running into

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the bathroom, another guy was following them behind them. He

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pushed them inside, closed the door to try and stop

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the guy from going into the bathroom. Oh my god,

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but the gunman just killed him and went inside the bathroom.

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But like it was like, there's so many people that

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die trying to save other people. I mean, so much

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bravery here. I Mean it's so hard to hear, but

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I feel like that's what needs to be highlighted, like

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the people who were there, Yeah.

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Because that's like really unheard of, Like you you rarely

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see in American culture where it's like it's a very

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MEMI me culture, but you have these minority cultures and

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they're really like ten toes down for each other.

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Yeah, And that's the thing when there's like crisis situations

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like this, I don't think it matters where you are

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what's happening. There's always going to be people like the

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guy who pushed them into the bathroom and stood at

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the doorway. Always the gunman, you know, entered the bathroom anyway,

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and as soon as he entered he opened fire. At

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some point he stopped, you know, after leaving like a

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trail of people. And so when he stopped, the phones

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were going off like crazy because the people that were

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still alive in there were messaging their loved ones. He

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left the bathroom for a second, but then immediately went

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back in and this time, he pulled out his phone

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and called nine one one, and he told the operator like,

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you know, because they asked, like, what's your name, That's

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one of the first things they ask you when you

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call nine one one, And he didn't never say it.

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He just said in the name of God the Merciful

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in Arabic. Then he said Praise be to God, and

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then he said, you know, and the operator repeatedly is like, okay,

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what's your name, Like, what's your name? And he just

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never said it. And so then when she asked like

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the third time, he said that he was the one

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in Orlando and he did the shooting. And you know,

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the operator keeps trying to get his name and the

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gun and keeps talking about how he's acting in the

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behalf or acting on the behalf of the Islamic state.

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He hangs up suddenly, and then he calls the local

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news and then tells the local news that he did

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this on the behalf of Isis. But the thing is,

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he's naming all these different groups that don't like work together. Ever,

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he's like he's not actually a part of these groups. No,

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he's not, which is important to like say, this was

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a lone person acting doing this. He was really not

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a representative any of anyone, you know, So he tells

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them he did this on the behalf of ISIS, and

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another point, he says, he does this on the behalf

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of Hezbola, like all these Okaeda, like all these different groups.

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He also posts this on Facebook. He tells the news

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he's the fourth shooter and the there's bombs inside. He

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also texted his wife around four in the morning and

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she's like, where are you. She had no idea this

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was happening. And then he asks have you seen the news?

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And she said no. And the last thing he replied

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to her is I love you, and that was it. So,

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you know, like at this point, it's been hours since

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two am, and people are still stuck in the bathroom

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with him. They're having to hear him say these things,

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Oh my god. Hiding underneath like other bodies. You know,

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there's a phone that keeps going off inside the bathroom,

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and the gunman is getting angrier and angrier about the phone,

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and honestly, he keeps yelling for the phone to stop

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or whoever has the phone like to shut it off,

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but like the phone probably belonged to someone who was

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not alive anymore. Yeah, and couldn't shut it off. And

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so patients who was in one of the stalls through

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her phone and said it was hers, which wasn't. But

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this calmed him down. This probably saved everyone else that

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was in there. Wow. And just ah, my god, I

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can't get over like the bravery because she didn't know

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how he was going to react, Like what if that

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set him off and cause him to shoot her, you know, yeah,

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so brave. Yeah, and she's inside on the stalls, so

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she just throws it over the stall or under I'm

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not sure, but either one. So at some point police

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are able to pull off an ac that was attached

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to wind in one of the dressing rooms. Some people

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are able to escape through there. This was around four

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twenty am. Oh my god. Then you know everyone can

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hear police, you know, through like outside, yelling for people

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to move away from the walls. But some people couldn't

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because it would reveal that they're alive, putting them at

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risk for being killed. So they you know, set off

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these explosions to try and get inside, but the explosion

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is too small, they don't fit. And also the explosion

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caused a pipe to burst in the bathroom, which is

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now quickly filling with water. Oh my god, I hope

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not sower water like probably, but also like it's filling

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up quick also putting the people that are like on

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the floor and they're like underneath bodies. Yeah, and they

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don't want to move because they've been taking that they're dead, right, Yeah,

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Patients was underneath a dead person when this happened, and

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so now she's worried about drowning. So now the gunman

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probably trying to like get away from police or like

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thinking police are not going to shoot me if I'm

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like near more people. He kicks selling one of the

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bathroom stalls and goes inside, and this is where Patients is,

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oh oh, and then he starts firing at people one

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by one inside the stall, including the person that Patients

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was hiding under, but she was okay. The police finally

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were able to breach the building and they fired at

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the gunman. There was about one hundred and fifty gun

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shots fired and eight hit him, killing him. And this

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was around five fifty AM. From what I can tell,

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these gunshots only killed him, no other people. Because that's

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I mean, that's a lot of fun. Yeah, that's around

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so this was around five fifty am. Once he was hit,

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the SWAT team rushed into the bathroom and they asked people,

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the people in there if there was anyone else, because

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they thought that there was more gunmen and more people attacking,

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because he said he was the fourth one when he

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was talking to the news, but you know, they all

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yelled out like desperately, like no, he was the only

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and so then SWAT started carrying out the survivors and

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the gunman. He was identified on the news like nationally

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around ten to fifteen am of that day. And in

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the end, thirty nine people died at the club, and

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then another ten either in the hospital or on the

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way to the hospital. And up to this day, this

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was the deadliest mass shooting attack in the United States.

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It's just so sad. And it's also sad that you

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have to say to this day because or to that day,

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like up to that day because after this, the Las

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Vegas Strip shooting, which was even more people. So it's

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just this it's depressing. Yeah, and just to name the

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victims here, So I did find and thanks because I

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listened to like three or four episodes to like just

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see what else was out there that I missed on

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like the different news articles and sources that I had,

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and the Generation Why podcast had an episode where they

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had information on the victims, just like a little bit.

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It's something that family is and friends said, so that's

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where I got this information from, because I couldn't find

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any that any of that online. So Stanley Almodovar the third,

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he was twenty three, so young, Yeah, so young. Friends

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and family said about him he made people feel welcome

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and loved. A friend of his said that he made

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them feel like it was okay to be who they

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were because they had just come out and they were

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like new to everything, and with him they could be themselves.

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Amanda Alvare was twenty five. She was there with her

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friend Mercedes, who also passed away. She was the best

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tha two your little old nibblings, and had just gone

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shopping with them that weekend. She wanted to be a nurse.

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Oscar Arasena Montero was twenty six. He was there with

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his partner Simon. They had just returned from a trip

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together and they had just bought a home together. Rodolfo

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Ayala was thirty three. He was in at a blood

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donation center and he just wanted to help people and

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make a difference, and he felt like every day he

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made a difference helping people get blood. Alexandro Barrios Martinez

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was twenty one. He was a Cuban immigrant and his

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family misses him dearly. Martin Benitez Torres was thirty three.

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He was a student, a university student on vacation visiting

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family when this happened. Antonio Brown was thirty. He was

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an army captain in the reserves, and everyone about him

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said he was always smiling, always helping people. Darryl Berts

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the Second was twenty nine, and his friends and family

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said he always had a smile on his face. Jonathan

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Camui Vega was twenty four. He worked for Telemundo and

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he was a member of the National Association of Hispanic Journalists.

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Angel Candelario Padro was twenty eight. He was a zumba

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instructor and from Puerto Rico and his classes were probably

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like really good, I'm sure. Simon Cario Fernandez was thirty one.

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I couldn't find any more information on him. Quan Chaws

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Martinez was twenty five. He was the youngest of six children,

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and his siblings described him as the best brother ever.

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Luis Conde was thirty nine. He was there with his

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partner and they died together, and they were both described

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as extraordinary humans. Corey Cournell was twenty one. He wanted

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to be a firefighter, that was his dream, and he

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was there with his girlfriend who survived the attack. Tevin

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Crosby was twenty five and he friends said about him

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that he had the best laugh and he spread joy

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wherever he went. Frankie the Jesus Velasquez was fifty and

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he was a professional dancer and also worked out forever

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twenty one. Deanka Drayton, who went by Didi, was thirty

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two and she was a bartender up Pols and she

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was just turning her life around after like a bunch

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of hardships. She had just started hanging out with friends

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and family more often. She started going to church. People

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could see like she was just feeling better and like

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turning her life around. Merceles Flores was twenty six from Queens,

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New York, on vacation in Florida. She was studying literature

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at the community college. Peter Gonzalez Cruz was twenty two

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and he went by Ami. That was his nickname and

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he friends and family said that he made a difference

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everywhere he went. Juan Guerrero was twenty two and he

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was attending university. He had just come out and he

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was so scared to do it, but his family was

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so accepting of him. Paul t Henry was forty one.

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He is survived by his two kids and he loved

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to dance. Frank Ernandez, who went by Frankie, was there

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with his partner and they both passed away. Miguel Honrado

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was thirty and he left behind three kids. He was

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at the club with his brother and friend and he

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was the only one that didn't make it that night.

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Javier Yes was forty. He went by Heavy. He was

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in Puerto Rico, and he was described as always positive

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and outgoing and just the loveliest friend to have. Jason

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Josephatt was nineteen and he was just figuring out his life.

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I'm like so young. Yeah, he had just decided he

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wanted to get a degree in computer science and he was,

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you know, finding all sorts of new hobbies to get into,

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like photography. Eddie Justice was thirty and his mom Mina

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describes him as loving all people. He loved to make

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people laugh. She moved that they're losing her son, but

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she returns every anniversary of the shooting to connect with

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other families and share in their grief. Anthony Laourano di

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Isla was twenty five and he was said to be

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an amazing drag performer. He was the life of the

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party and he was attending college at the time. I

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couldn't find much about Christopher Lenin. I don't know how

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to say his last same, sorry, but he was thirty two.

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Brenda Marquez McCool was forty nine and she was the

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mother of eleven wow and a grandmother of six. And

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she was there with her twenty one year old son

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who survived. And she was a cancer survivor as well,

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and a fierce LGBT ali After, like you know, a

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few of her children had come out, she was always

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supporting and I mean just the fact she was there

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with her son, coming with her son, that's just I

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don't know. Jean Mendez Prees was thirty five born in

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Puerto Rico. Akira Money Murray was eighteen. She was one

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of patients's friends. She was, you know, on vacation as well.

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She loved basketball and she was described as a natural leader.

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Kimberly Morris was thirty seven. She was a bouncer at polls.

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She loved basketball and had just moved from Hawaii to

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Florida to try and you know, make money to help

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her family back home. Jean Nievez Rodriguez was twenty seven.

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He was from Puerto Rico, a general manager at a

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check cashing service, and friends describe him as a giant

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teddy bear. Louis Ocasio Kappel was twenty. He was an

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amazing dancer and always willing to help anyone in need.

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Heraldo or Tisi Menez was twenty five. He was in

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law school. He was a proud Dominican and an amazing dancer.

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Eric Ivan Ortiz Riveta was thirty six. He was the

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one in his family all of his family went to

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for advice, and he happily obliged. He was also super

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creative and was about to become an interior designer. Juel

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Draion Paniagua was thirty two and he was described as

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always humble, cheerful, and also loved to dance. Enrique Rios

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Junior was twenty five. He was a vacation from Brooklyn,

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where he attended university. He was described as super funny

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and a great person. And then Juan Rivera Alasquez was

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thirty seven. I can find information on him, unfortunately. Jill

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Marii Rodriguez Solivan was twenty four. She survived by her

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two sons and her husband. She was said to light

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out the room and had the best smile and a

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laugh that was like so infectious. When you heard her laughing,

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you also had to laugh with her, which those are

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like the best lass best laughs. Yeah. Christopher San Felice

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was twenty four. He was from Tampa, but the family

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had immigrated from Cuba. His older brother wrote that he

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was the most important person in his family, the light

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of the family, and the strongest person he ever knew.

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Javier Emmanuel Serrano Rosado was thirty five. He was a

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professional dancer and he performed for Disney Live. And he

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inspired others to come out of their shell and he

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was always happy. He survived by a young son. Hilberto

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Ramon Silva Menendez was twenty five. He worked at a

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grocery store and was working on a degree in healthcare management.

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He had also moved from Puerto Rico. Edward Sotomayo Junior

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was thirty four. He was a branch manager for Alan

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Chuck Travel and he was described as kind, loving and energetic.

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Shane Tomlinson was thirty three. He was a lead singer

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in a cover band. He had been singing at another

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club before heading two Poles that night. Leroy Valentine Fernandez

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was twenty five and he was a dancer, a fashionista.

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He A friend of his said that he loved to

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seeing Adele until he got tired of it and that

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life is quieter without him now. Louise Vielma was twenty

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two and friends describe him as the best person that

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they had like the pleasure of knowing. Louis Danielle Wilson

467
00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:39.359
Leon was thirty seven. He grew up in Puerto Rico.

468
00:25:39.920 --> 00:25:43.799
He was at Poles with his partner Jean Mendesperees. They

469
00:25:43.839 --> 00:25:48.480
were together for ten years. And then Gerald Wright he

470
00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:51.359
was thirty one. He went by Jerry. He was described

471
00:25:51.400 --> 00:25:55.079
as quiet and hard working, but always had a smile

472
00:25:55.119 --> 00:25:58.279
on his face, and he worked at Disney. And yeah,

473
00:25:58.319 --> 00:26:03.319
those are all the victims that passed away, just terrible,

474
00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:06.920
just people out for the night, just living their lives.

475
00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:09.039
And then I didn't write too much about him because

476
00:26:09.039 --> 00:26:12.079
I wanted to focus on what happened and the victims.

477
00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:15.759
But the gunman was identified to be twenty nine year

478
00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:20.000
old Omar Mattin, a US citizen born in Queens. Also

479
00:26:20.279 --> 00:26:22.359
important to say because a lot of people came out

480
00:26:22.400 --> 00:26:24.680
and were like, this is what immigrants shouldn't be in

481
00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:25.920
the country, you know.

482
00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:28.880
Which is crazy because a lot of the immigrants were

483
00:26:28.880 --> 00:26:29.599
the one that died.

484
00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:34.279
Yeah, yeah, exactly, but we're targeted, yes, and so yeah,

485
00:26:34.519 --> 00:26:38.240
a US born citizen did this. He was born in Queens,

486
00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:40.920
New York to Afghan parents. You know. Although he was

487
00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:45.200
saying all this like nonsense about al Qaeda, isis his

488
00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:49.240
bobla like his the fact that he was Muslim and

489
00:26:49.279 --> 00:26:52.240
of Afghan descent that has something to do with him

490
00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:57.480
doing this. It's the terrible person that he was. So

491
00:26:57.960 --> 00:27:02.000
the FBI had him on like a watch list as

492
00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:05.119
of twenty thirteen. Really, I don't remember if I heard

493
00:27:05.119 --> 00:27:07.039
of that or not. Yeah. So he worked at a

494
00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:09.960
security firm and he told coworkers that he had ties

495
00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:13.240
to al Qaeda and his bola. Minded these organizations are

496
00:27:13.240 --> 00:27:14.000
not working together.

497
00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:17.519
Yeah, a lot of the organizations also have beef with

498
00:27:17.559 --> 00:27:18.000
each other.

499
00:27:18.440 --> 00:27:21.759
Yes, also important to note, so it was a tenth

500
00:27:21.880 --> 00:27:25.079
month investigation that ended up with no charges. He was

501
00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:28.240
questioned in twenty fourteen again though, after an associate of

502
00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:32.559
his became a suicide bomber in Syria, so he I

503
00:27:32.599 --> 00:27:36.640
guess maybe knew one person. So he also later told

504
00:27:36.759 --> 00:27:40.799
someone else that he had been watching jihadi's videos by

505
00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:46.000
anwar all A Lackey, and that person told the authorities.

506
00:27:46.319 --> 00:27:49.559
So this was another investigation. But again nothing came of

507
00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:52.599
this investigation investigation, it was closed, and he had a

508
00:27:52.759 --> 00:27:56.720
Florida firearms license since twenty seven even at the time

509
00:27:56.759 --> 00:27:59.000
of the shooting, this license was active. I would think

510
00:27:59.000 --> 00:28:00.839
that if you're on a watch list or something like,

511
00:28:01.480 --> 00:28:04.200
you shouldn't have that. I don't know, yeah, you would think.

512
00:28:04.279 --> 00:28:07.079
And since he had been investigated twice already.

513
00:28:06.680 --> 00:28:09.440
How many KKKIM members are in the watch list and

514
00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:11.759
you know they're going to do that? Yeah?

515
00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:15.119
Like they not, no, I know, but like you know, like.

516
00:28:15.319 --> 00:28:17.359
They're not going to do that because they're like, yeah,

517
00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:20.079
we're not going to put white people. I mean, even

518
00:28:20.160 --> 00:28:21.920
if white people are on the watch list, we're not

519
00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:23.880
going to take away their gun rights.

520
00:28:23.960 --> 00:28:31.799
Yeah. Yeah, said the same thing when so he was.

521
00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:35.599
His name had also appeared on this list, the FBI's

522
00:28:35.680 --> 00:28:39.400
Terrrist screening database. This is the terrorist watch list. His

523
00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:43.000
name was removed after those both of those investigations. So

524
00:28:43.480 --> 00:28:47.279
he would have legally been allowed to have firearms. So

525
00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:50.759
he bought the guns that he used for this shooting

526
00:28:51.559 --> 00:28:55.160
on June fourth. And so, you know, in the days

527
00:28:55.240 --> 00:28:58.119
after the attack happened, there was people, I guess, all

528
00:28:58.160 --> 00:29:00.400
sorts of rumors coming out on people that said that

529
00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:04.279
he had been on gay dating websites and apps. Someone

530
00:29:04.359 --> 00:29:08.279
did an interview with Univision who went by an anonymous name,

531
00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:11.759
who said that he saw the guy I heard regard

532
00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:15.119
his name Buck him. He saw the guy at Pulse

533
00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:18.160
a few times before the shooting. I remember hearing things

534
00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:21.200
like that. But nothing was true, right, None could be proven.

535
00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:23.680
None of it could be proven. The FBI, you know,

536
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:27.119
did a forensic examination of the guy's phone for a computer,

537
00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:29.759
online account records, and they couldn't find any of this,

538
00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:33.839
just like they couldn't find any evidence of him being

539
00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:36.720
part of isis like he kept claiming to any of it.

540
00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:39.279
And so I mean, just more on on the guy

541
00:29:39.440 --> 00:29:42.400
like he was he had you know, like most of

542
00:29:42.440 --> 00:29:45.279
these people. A troubling childhood, Like he was described during

543
00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:47.839
his sign in school that he like he couldn't sit still,

544
00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:51.119
he was always in touching people, not leaving people alone,

545
00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:55.759
and he had from a very young age these very

546
00:29:55.839 --> 00:29:59.240
sexist believes. He was very rude to his uh the

547
00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:03.759
girls in the class and the women teachers, and then

548
00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:06.240
when teachers brought it up to his parents, the father

549
00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:10.279
had the same views probably where he got it from. Yeah,

550
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:13.480
and he was also disrespectful to the teachers. So you know,

551
00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:16.240
he was always acting out and like you know, maybe

552
00:30:16.279 --> 00:30:18.200
he yeah, he had some issues that could have been

553
00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:23.559
addressed and they weren't, and so his behavior escalated because

554
00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:25.960
I think like at age fourteen he was suspended from

555
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:29.359
or expelled from school for his behavior. So he was

556
00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:34.400
a violent person, a violent like sexist person. And you know,

557
00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:40.200
like the his ethnicity, his race, him maybe possibly being

558
00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:43.559
like a closeted gay, Like none of that is the cause,

559
00:30:43.720 --> 00:30:45.599
like or the reason you know, for what he did.

560
00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:47.920
Like he was just like a terrible person who went

561
00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:51.000
out and did this. There was even a trial against

562
00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:54.440
his wife after this.

563
00:30:55.599 --> 00:30:57.920
If the man does something and the wife gets in trouble.

564
00:30:57.799 --> 00:31:00.680
Yeah, because they were looking for someone to blame honestly,

565
00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:05.839
So an actual trial like criminal or criminal trial against her.

566
00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:09.720
Were the charges I don't remember the actual name of

567
00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:12.640
the charge that was like, you know, fact that he

568
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:13.279
was like.

569
00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:17.039
That she could have been abused. And then like they're already.

570
00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:19.960
More basically the mass shooters have extremely high rates of

571
00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:23.160
domestic violence exactly. Yeah, and look at the shit he

572
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:26.000
was doing in school where he was treating the girls

573
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:29.640
and the teachers. So the trial against his wife was

574
00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:31.799
like basically blaming her that she knew what was going

575
00:31:31.880 --> 00:31:35.839
to happen, but shed trial concluded No, yeah, it concluded

576
00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:39.599
she was not guilty of course, of course. Yeah, and

577
00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:42.640
she really didn't know. So yeah, and that's really all

578
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:45.839
I wrote about him. And one more thing, you know,

579
00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:49.799
the FBI after the investigation, you know, they determined that

580
00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:52.599
he was like a lone wolf, like someone acting alone,

581
00:31:53.680 --> 00:31:56.759
not you know, targeting. It was also kind of like

582
00:31:57.000 --> 00:32:00.599
concluded that he wasn't even really targeting the club. He

583
00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:02.559
was just looking for the busiest nightclub.

584
00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:03.240
Wow.

585
00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:07.839
Yeah, so he because there was Google searches from his

586
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:10.880
phone and he searched two or three other places in

587
00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:13.880
the area and the last yearch he did was post nightclub,

588
00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:17.359
so there's speculation he didn't even know it was a

589
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:19.839
gay club. But there's also speculation that he did know

590
00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:23.039
it was a gay club and that he had like

591
00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:29.160
vendetta against gays. So like, none of it, nothing was proven,

592
00:32:30.319 --> 00:32:32.000
and at the end of the day, like you know,

593
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:33.559
no one knows the motive.

594
00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:37.079
So nothing like adds up in this, I mean, none

595
00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:40.799
of his Like I guess you can't find evidence for like,

596
00:32:40.839 --> 00:32:41.839
as you said, for his mode.

597
00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:43.759
That's weird. I think for me, the only thing that

598
00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:46.640
adds up, which is extremely common in mass shooters but

599
00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:52.839
often ignored by media and also by the criminal just courts,

600
00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:56.920
is that a lot of these men are sexists and

601
00:32:56.960 --> 00:33:01.519
they hate women, and that is a lot of times

602
00:33:01.599 --> 00:33:05.119
a like a root issue for them. And you know,

603
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:08.079
the the violence that they the extreme like math violence

604
00:33:08.119 --> 00:33:12.359
they want to perpetrate women, Yeah, and a lot of

605
00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:14.440
feminine Yeah. And that's what I was gonna say. And

606
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:17.839
I think we know that a lot of homophobia is

607
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:22.559
tied to not to diminish homophobia or minimize homophobia, as

608
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:24.599
it's as not its own thing, but a lot of

609
00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:29.400
times it's tied to the hatred of women. Also, yeah,

610
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:32.000
and that's like all I wrote about him because like

611
00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:34.039
I did not want the attention on him. Some other

612
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:36.319
podcasts to go into more detail about him and like

613
00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:38.839
his life and whatever, but you know, I like not

614
00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:43.119
giving attention and sometimes not even name for these people

615
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:46.680
because that's what they want to on top of wanting

616
00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:50.960
to enact extreme violence on women because they hate women.

617
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:57.039
They want the attention and the variety, you know, otherwise.

618
00:33:57.440 --> 00:33:59.039
I mean, I don't know about him, but like some

619
00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:02.240
of them, right, manifest so they make videos like oh yeah,

620
00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:06.720
so yeah, oh and like when he would go applying

621
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:09.239
to jobs, he would put in basically what would be

622
00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:12.639
a manifesto or seen as a manifesto, but basically just

623
00:34:12.679 --> 00:34:18.760
like horrible sexist views. So yeah. The nightclub sadly they're

624
00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:21.440
not reopened, though there are like like I think it

625
00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:23.480
was like a week after the shooting happened, there was

626
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:26.440
a like a Latin another Latin night, that's what it was,

627
00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:28.559
Another Latin night, but like outside it was like in

628
00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:30.519
the street because it was a warm it was a summer,

629
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:33.360
so it was kind of done like in memory of

630
00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:38.159
everyone that had passed away, and the there's still like

631
00:34:38.199 --> 00:34:42.239
an annual anniversary ceremony basically, and I don't know if

632
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:44.679
it's up, yeah, but they're working on making it like

633
00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:48.760
a memorial site. So the club did close and that's

634
00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:52.679
being turned into a memorial site for the victims. But

635
00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:56.199
one thing that happened, because you know, the the victims

636
00:34:56.199 --> 00:35:00.639
were majority Latino Latine, the some people were calling out

637
00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:03.880
like why aren't there bilingual Why isn't there bilingual help

638
00:35:03.960 --> 00:35:07.320
for the families, Why isn't there like there needs to

639
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:11.039
be more support in Spanish, and that is Yeah, that

640
00:35:11.960 --> 00:35:15.480
is important because you know, like we've been saying, the

641
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:19.199
majority of these victims and survivors, a lot of them

642
00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:22.880
were Latino Latina. So so yeah, that was a that

643
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:26.239
was a tough episode. Yeah, we've reached the end of

644
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