June 5, 2026

The Possession of Alba Diaz Book Club Episode

The Possession of Alba Diaz Book Club Episode
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It's a book club episode! Carmen and Cristina read the Possession of Alba Diaz by Isabel Cañas. First they recapped the book, then did discussion questions and ended by picking the next book club episode. Here is the synopsis for the Possession of Alba Diaz:

In 1765, plague sweeps through Zacatecas. Alba flees with her wealthy merchant parents and fiancé, Carlos, to his family’s isolated mine for refuge. But safety proves fleeting as other dangers soon bare their teeth: Alba begins suffering from strange hallucinations, sleepwalking, and violent convulsions. She senses something cold lurking beneath her skin. Something angry. Something wrong.
Elías, haunted by a troubled past, came to the New World to make his fortune and escape his family’s legacy of greed. Alba, as his cousin’s betrothed, is none of his business. Which is of course why he can’t help but notice the growing tension between them every time she enters the room…and why he notices her deteriorate when the demon’s thirst for blood gets stronger. In the fight for her life, Alba and Elías become entangled with the occult, the Church, long-kept secrets, and each other… not knowing that one of these things will spell their doom.


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Hello, Hello, This is Christina and Carmen and this is

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another episode of a Spooky Tells, a podcast for all

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things a spooky hunting places, myths, legends to crime in

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Latin America, but also books, Yes, books. This is a

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book club episode book Club, book Club. It's been a

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while since we started this book listen life. I finished

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it in August to and I think no one was

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I remember actually when I finished it. I don't remember either. Yeah,

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like December and we're like in June. Shit. Yeah, So

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the book. The book is The Possession of Albadas by

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I was going to confuse her name. I was going

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to I thought, I said the Possession of Man. I

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said it, right, you did, the Possession of Albadas by

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Isabel kas And the way these book club episodes work

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is that we do a very brief, non spoiler summary,

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as in, it's the summary in the back of the book. No,

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I'm making my own summary now, oh, this is Carmen summary. Then, yeah,

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but this is a spoiler free summary, right, m okay.

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Then we go into a recap of the book, because

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maybe it's been a while. Spoilers some people. And I

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love this because this is something I would do. Some

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people wait for the recap to see if they want

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to read the book. Oh, I've done that. Yeah with

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the other book podcast. I listened to the book Fix. Yes,

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we love the book Fix. And then after the recap

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we do our discussion questions and then we read it. Yeah,

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and then we announce another book. Yeah, okay, okay, So

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are we ready for the summary? Yeah, here goes. It's

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seventeen sixty five in Tacatecas and Mexico or Nova Spana,

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should we say? A plague is sweeping through the area,

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so Alba and her wealthy family flee to her fiance's

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mind for refuge, while Elias, the cousin of Alba's fiance,

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is mining his business, trying to escape his troubled past,

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but also ends up at the mine. And soon the

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plague is the least of everyone's worries because there are

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worse things like demonic things. Yes, this book has it

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all a more probido demonic things and silver mercury mercury yeah,

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Catholicism yes, yeah. Alchemy peninsulais the recap, so we start

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off by learning about the legend of the Monte Rubio Mine,

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an urban legend like rumor that spread in the town.

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Some say it's an ancient terror, a pagan devil, or

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a hunting I just love the way she started this.

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Oh yeah, immediately all was like hooked. Yes a, whenning

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gone wrong, we're only a bloody Albadias survived. Next we

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meet Elias. We learned that he's an alchemist who left

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Spain and traveled all over the world. During his travels,

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he comes across his spell book that's written in an

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old language al Camilla Camia, Yeah, something like that. I

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don't know what that is. Also, I didn't realize I

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didn't write the title of the book, but it's in

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leave it with the Sante Pristian or something like that.

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And guess what, we have seen that book already if

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you've read other Albadias already, yes, fuck other book, my yea.

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I didn't realize that. M hm, this is the book

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that oh my god, Prista, we all love. Yeah, I

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forgot's name right now. The book he has, Yes, our

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husband with aiden from Suso. I didn't realize that. Yes,

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how cool. I was so spoiled to be able to

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attend a talk by seven in August when the book

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came out and She shared this little tidbit during the talk.

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It was so cool, and I met her and I

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took a picture with her. It's on the Instagram. It

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was one of the highlight of my year. So but yeah,

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Andress I think is his name? Yeah, it was. Yeah,

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he's the one who has his book, so very cool. Yeah,

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and the Alhamia al Hamia. We don't know where the

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accident is. I'm sorry. Yeah. It combined Spanish and Arabic words,

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and these are his two primary languages. Then he gets

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a letter saying, your father has returned. Come very ominous,

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I think very weeks later, he in weeks literally, you can,

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you can travel fast. Now weeks later, he arrives back

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to Spain, telling himself he's not going back only because

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of the letter that he was already planning to go

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back to get mercury from Saveah for some of his

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shady dealings or something. When making his way back home,

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Eleas is asking himself why did his dad stop writing

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and why did he never come back to Spain. The

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dad went to Novo Mexico or Noble Sorry aka Mexico.

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We learned that he hasn't seen his dad in over

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twenty years. But when he gets home, he finds out

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from his Grandpaadio that his dad actually died six months ago,

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and Agadio just lied to him to get him back.

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That's messed up. Yeah, your dad's back in the sense

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that he's never coming back. Your dad back in the

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sense that he died. It turns out that Abuelo Ergadio

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wants Elias to help the family mine purchased by his

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dad and uncle Eracio. He wants to wants them to

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get a debt and taxes because he's a mercury expert.

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So the plan would be for Elias to get enough

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mercury to refine enough silver because you need mercury to

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refine the silver to get them out of debt and

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then make a profit. Stand and they all have those

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to a Cleoyo merchant family. They are in debt to

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a Cleoyo family, which is Alba's family. And Creoyo is

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what Spanish people born in Mexico, right, I believe? So

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should we double check that? Yeah, full Spanish descent born

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the New World. Yeah, you're right. See, we didn't need

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to double check. You need to trust yourself. I told

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you we don't need to double check trusting yourself and

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trust in me because I told you not to doubt yourself.

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Trust in both of us. Yes, seen in me? Is

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trusting in you? Really? Yes? Yes? Yeah, you know we

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are one truly And yeah that family al said that. Okay.

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At first, Alias does they want to help, but the

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allure of that much silver is too enticing, and he

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agrees as long as he can keep seventy five percent

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of any silver refined from the mercury after they repay

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the debt, so he goes out to Sacatecas, where the

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family mine is located. Next, we meet Alba and her

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mama at their daily confession, which, to Alba's dismay, they

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never miss. During her confession, Albert tells the priest that

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she may have blackmailed someone, but totally not on purpose. No, no,

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it's like it's not a big deal. You know. Have

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you ever actively blackmailed someone? It happens, yeah, and so

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like this is really a sin that she's not really yes, right,

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no damage done right exactly exactly as that her parents

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are ready to sell her off to the highest better

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marry her. But the same thing back then, you know, yeah, yeah,

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but her mom doesn't want her to marry anyone from

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Spain because she doesn't want about to go far away,

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especially as an only daughter that they adopted. But her

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dad didn't want to marry her to the local rich family,

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the monte Rubios, because of said dead. Around the same time,

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Alva learns that the monte Rubios are indebted to her

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family and this happened to be her bestie Carlos's family.

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She also learns that the monte Rubos found her abandoned

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in the mind and offer her to her parents, something

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her parents never disclosed to her. Instead, they would say

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different origin stories for her. So Alba con confessed that

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she went to Carlos and proposed a mutually beneficial arrangement

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because Carlos wasn't really interested in marrying a woman. They

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could get married but keep being besties and to each

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do their own thing, and her family wouldn't ask for

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the dead to be repaid if she married into his family.

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And the priest is like, girl, that's a sin, which

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I'm not sure personally, it sounds like a mutually beneficial

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deal to me. Yeah, yeah, Alban Carlos go to a

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wedding together and she loves how Carlos commands the room,

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Carlos brings the champagne and proposes a toast to celebrate

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that his family receives a large amount of mercury from Spain.

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Cadlos also tells all about that his bestie Bartholome aka Barn,

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a former soldier but now a priest, just arrived from Spain,

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and he goes to introduce them, and when she hears

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his voice, she raises Bartholome is the priest she gave

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her confession to the other day. She's like fit and

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she's like, oh my god, he's gonna tell me he knows. No,

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fuck he knows. She freaks out and steps out for

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some air, and while getting some error, she meets a stranger.

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The man tells her he plans to get rich quick

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like most other new arrivals from Sakata, and then run

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away from his family. And maybe it was maybe it's

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been out in the dark and the cold, but they

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end up flirting a little, and they even dance outside.

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And what happens outside it stays outside. It's outside. While

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they're dancing, before they even learn each other's names, they

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hear a scream in the ballroom and a commotion. They

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hid inside there's whispers that the bride fainted and had

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a fever, and they run into Carlos and Bartolome and

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here Alas Elias, the stranger from outside is Calos's convict cousin.

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About four days later, Eraclio, Carlos's dad, stops by Alba's house. Wait,

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I thought Carlos is not my bad, my bad ignored that.

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I was thinking he was. Uh Elias's dad. I was like,

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that was dead. Oh yeah, no. Carlos's dad stops by

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Alba's house to tell Alba's dad they're leaving for their

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mind Mina San Gabrielle because of the spreading illness, which

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Alba calls Mattlasa what. They're leaving the next morning and

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by Alba's family to come along. Alba's parents were hesitant

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at first, and they pretty much tell her that they

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have misgivings about her marrying Catloss. Alba tells them she's

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going either way with or without them, so ultimately they

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all go. They set off the next day, and Alba's

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Hella annoyed because Bartolome is next to her the entire way.

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Alba is surprised to hear that Elias also joined on

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the trip, she thought she would never see him again,

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and so now they're floriding. It was kind of weird,

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right like now it's like now what. Yeah. As soon

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as they arrived to Minas and Gabrielle Alba feels something

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physical shifting inside her body and she hears a voice

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telling her leave this place, girl you. She also, with

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zero awareness, starts following the voices up the mountain in

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a kind of hypnotized way, and the trance is broken

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when her mom yells at her to get down. And

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this is only the beginning of such things. Next is

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Nelia's chapter on the Way to the Mine, and he's

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thinking about how much he hates no Vaspana, the new

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moneiness of his family, and he's walking the mule alongside

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the other as Soghetto of the mine. Rometo and a

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Tohetto is like the person who works with the mercury

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mercurating too, so the alchemist. Yeah, but alchemy is like magic.

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It's not. I thought it was just like the mixing

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of like no shit, No, a to Guetto is like

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in the mine like working. Oh okay, So now guy's

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Rometo and he's Elias is hellinoid because Rometro keeps asking

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him questions about being in prison. He keeps asking him

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why he's darker. Alchemy is a trans mutation of base

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metals like lead into gold. Oh, there is a mystical

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there's a mystical component to him, like looking for eternal life.

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I thought I only ever knew of the magical alchemy

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and then let's just double check. Also, just is this

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is just a historical term for a silver miner who

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used mercury to extract silver or silver minor. Okay, that's

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that's what I said. Yeah, so I was still right. Yeah,

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well you're wrong about alchemy being magic, but yeah, only

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being magic. Yeah, yes, okay, I see, I seek Okay,

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So yeah, es is hell annoyed because the matter keeps

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asking him questions about president, like invasive questions, rude questions.

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He keeps asking him if he's darker because his mom

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was a more and about his cast. Improper questions. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry,

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this just made me think of mean girls. And he

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just asked someone if there are born exactly that you

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could just ask one about their cats. Elias is surprised

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to see Alba and he realizes he's like kind of

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Christian hard, and he's like, I need to mind my

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business because she is my cousin's fiance. And then Romelo

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told Elias lore about the mine, that the house was

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named Casaka Laverdas, but the first owner who went by

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all these scared throw and that all these scarecrow's son

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died in the mine before Elias dad suggested to Eraclio

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that they buy the mine, and so that's why they

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got the mind for cheaper, because young Eastcerlow died there

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so ominous. Yeah, Elias is settling in unpacking his things

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when a young teen girl and a woman introduced themselves

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to him, and turns out this is his dad, second

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family that he knew nothing about, which of course he had,

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you know. Yeah, in this sense, his dad was actually

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very Mexican or very self adoran. I mean, I mean,

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and where did that come from? Probably from the colonizers, honestly,

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it's a full circle turn around. Anyway. That girl is

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Maria Victoriana, and then the mom is Carolina, and now

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we're back to Alba. It's the next morning, and Albas

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realized she sleepwalked the night before, but she rationalized it away,

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thinking to herself that she's always sleepwalked in new places,

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but like, one doesn't just sleepwalk one. It's not just

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simply sleepwalk like. There's always more to it, especially when

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the mine is haunted. Mm hmm, especially when upon our

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arriving to set mine one, there's voices experience luring one

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to the mind. Alba asks Carlos for a tour of

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the property, so he shows her around. While Carlos is

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showing her around, Rometo wants to show Carlos a new

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line of ore that was discovered, and Alba doesn't want

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to be alone, so she follows Carlos into the mine,

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and he told her to stay closed for safety reasons,

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but of course she doesn't. On their way down to

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the mine, Alba keeps hearing voices telling her to get

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out and keep going. Once she's in the mind, she

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gets separated from Carlos. She gets lost deeper within the

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mind and she starts hearing a crime baby. And I'm sorry,

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but if you're hearing a crime baby, you're not You're

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not hearing a crime baby. That's actually not a crime baby.

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And that's a sign to get out. That's a sign

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to leave, and definitely don't go towards the fake crime

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baby exactly. It feels like the walls are closing in

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on her. She's disoriented and panicked, and she screams when

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she feels something grab her shoulders. This is Elias. But

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before we get there, we switch to Elias's POV and

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Maria Victoriana is bugging him, asking him a bunch of questions,

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like I know her dad said Elias learned so much

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about mercury from being in prison, and that he learned

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magic with medals. She just wants to get close to him.

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He's not having it. He can't get over his dad

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having a second family, which, like you should have just expected. Honestly,

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he was there for like twenty years. What do you

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think was gonna happen? I mean, come on. He gets

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into a little argument with Maria Victoriana and she ends

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up telling him that he's not in their dad's will,

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and this pisces him off so bad he goes off

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on her. This isn't the poor girl's fault though, I mean, Lees, really,

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you just stoop down to a teenagers of all, yeah,

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come on, and then made her your dad. Yeah, this

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is your dad's doing. This is your buddy, yeah, telling

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her about how their dad left him and his only

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inheritances their dad's dead, and then he makes her cry.

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Before Eleaz makes his way to the mind, he gets

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called to the grotto and there he finds some kind

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of effigy like an altar or some kind of offering.

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Yeah to the effigy a bowl of mercury, and he's

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amazed by this and almost hypnotized by the mercury until

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Carolina kicks him out, saying that he's just like his dad,

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un Metich. Then he goes to the mine and soon

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hears Alba screams. Albas wears up and down that there's

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a baby in the mine, but Elias gets her out

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of there because there's no baby. No. When they get

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out of the mine, Carlos and Elias get into a

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screaming match with each other. E LiAZ calls Carlos a

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dumbass for bringing Alba to the mine, and Carlos is like,

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get your peasant hands off my fiance. Alba realizes her

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hands are covered with blood, or at least she imagines it.

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The next day, Alba and her mom go to the

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chapel on the grounds, and when Alba dips her fingers

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into the holy water, she feels an icy shock of cold,

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and when she tries to make the sign of the cross,

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her hands are held as stiff. And if we remember

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from our episode about the extracystem of Gina, this is

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one of the signs. Yeah, I was gonna say this

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is sign number one. Something is an aversion to all

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the idea demonic kind of way. After mass, Carlos introduces

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Alba to more townspeople and Carolina is one of them,

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but they don't have a pleasant introduction. Carolina tells Alba

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that she has no place here. Why is Carlina so

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mad at this? I don't remember. You will find out

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later then, Okay. Later on, Alba and Carlos are sitting

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Carlos's favorite spot when they catch Maria Victoriana spine on them.

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Carlos says he's sick of his uncle's mistakes, Osa his

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second family, but Alba's are just wondering if Maria Victoriana

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is spine on her because she knows something about her

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or about the baby that Victoriana found in the mine

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twenty five years ago. So Alba resolves to befriend Maria Victoriana.

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Carlos also ends up telling Albad that Elias went to

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prison for murder, so she promises to stay away from him.

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The next day, Alba sets off to look for Maria Victoriana.

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A cook from the house tells her she'll find her

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at the and there she finds Maria Maria Victoriana with Elias,

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and Rometo is also there. Madia Victoriana takes Alba aside

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after Rometo talks some ship to her and makes her

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feel bad. To explain how the work is done, Rometo

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makes Madia Victoriana, I feel bad? Or Alba feel bad?

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Who's feeling Alba? Okay? Alba's about to touch the mercury

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before Elias stops her, telling her that it's poison. Madia

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Victoriana explains to Alba that the poison is the reason

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Elia's hands are shaking and that by the end of

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her dad's life he couldn't even write anymore. She says

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that it gets your hands first and then your mind.

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Elias is like, I don't want to hear about this shit.

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What the fuck? He argues with Maria Victoriana abbe, and

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then Alva learns that Elias studied alchemy in Constantinople and

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she can't help, but thinking how cool that is. She

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asks Elias about Constantinople and they talk for a bit

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until they both make sassy remarks about their lots in life,

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and it gets a little awkward because they flirted, yeah,

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but also because she's like, oh, well you're a man,

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you can just travel, and he's like, well, you're a merchant, rich,

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wealthy person and she's like, well, you don't understand what

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it's like woman. Of course, she's right, he doesn't get it.

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But whatever. Yeah, yeah, we will get into that in

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the discussion portion of this. Later that night, Raclio tells

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Elias they're having dinner with Alaba's family and they need

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to put on a show of family unity because they

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need mister Dias's respect. Raclio tells Elias to not talk

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about either of his shitty parents or prison. Long story short,

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the dinner goes bad once Rometo makes a remark about

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Elias's mom being a more Of course it was roumetto. Yeah,

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he's a little bitch. Everyone hates him. Yeah. Eliaz responds

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by throwing his glass of wine at Rometal's face. He

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deserved it, though, I think so too. Yeah. Pissed off,

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Elias leaves and ends up going to the workshop. He

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looks around and finds a map of the mind, notes

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on refining silver by Mercury, and he also finds notes

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about the effigy that the peasants worship is described as

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a skeletal figure covered in a white shroud. Elias is

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dozing on and off at the workshop when he thinks

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he sees a ghost, but it turns out to be

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Alba sleepwalking to the mine. He tries to guide Alba

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back to the house, but he gets scared when Alba

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turns around to face him and she has like a

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skeletal kind of face with no eyes, and He's like,

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what the fuck? Then she started shaking, kind of foaming

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at the mouth, screaming and then collapses. Yeah, imagine, no,

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I can know I would have kind of left her there,

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like I fear I would have done the same like

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losiento track us. Yeah, when she wakes up, she doesn't

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remember anything. Elias helps Alba get back to the house,

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and before they go their separate ways to hear Rometo's

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laughter commute from the parlor for the last time. Don't

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don't dun. They didn't know that would be the last

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time anyone would hear his laughter. Yeah, Because the next

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day they learned that someone has killed that bitch Rometo

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and everyone is blaming Elias, but Alba knows it wasn't

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Alias because he was helping her after she was sleepwalking,

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But she doesn't think anyone will believe her, especially because

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of how Carlos reacted when Elias helped her at the mine,

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So she decides her best band is to confess you

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about about last night and get him to help Elias.

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So she tells him about sleepwalking to the mind the

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night before, about Elias helping her, and that they were

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up until dawn. But during her confession, she hears a

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voice telling her she can't trust Bartolome since it's a confession.

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She does that she has sinful thoughts about Elias when

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they were alone together. She tells Bartholome to intervene and

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tell Carlos that Alias couldn't have killed Romero, but pleads

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that but pleads that he doesn't tell Carlos how he knows,

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and Bartholome promises to help. Elias is dragged to the

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stables and locked there when he hears Bartolome coming to

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his defense, demanding Eraclio and Carlos to release Elias because

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he was innocent. They start screaming at each other, and

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Bartholome tells Eraclio the townspeople are worshiping the devil and

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bringing an evil sickness to the land, doing mercury to

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protect themselves from evil, and they have a shrine for

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this idolatry and a mercury barrier around the town. So

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he threatens to bring the Inquisition to the town if

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the shrine isn't destroyed. Elias hears all of this and

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wonders if that could be what's wrong with Alva, and

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also worries for her if the Inquisition is brought the town.

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Eraclio and Carlos then release Alias, and Maria Victoriana brings

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in food. She and Alias have a touching moment. Madia

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Victoriana tells him she doesn't really like him, but she

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also doesn't want him to die. She's like such a

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sister thing to say. M He asks about their dad's

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books on reserving and reusing mercury, and she starts going

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through the books and journals, but then comes across a

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book full of pentagrams that scares her, and she says

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that it wasn't their dads, And then Lilias is like, oh,

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that's mine, Actually, that's mine. It's a Elivio de sansi piano,

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which we mentioned at beginning. I feel like I said

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capistrano earlier, but I don't think I did, right. Oh,

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I hope not. It's caprice, like you might have cheese

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or a salad or whatever. Caprisan caprian liberal de san

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piano a historical artifact. But as soon as Eleanne starts

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reading the passage from the book, they notice a breeze

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that comes out of nowhere and the smell of soffur,

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which is never a good sign. There's a demon amongst them.

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The next day, when Alba wakes up, she finds her

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door unlocked, even though she locked it before going to bed,

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and she feels gravel underneath her feet when she first

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gets out of bed, and she's like, oh, what is

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happening because there should be in a gravel Thereone says Bone

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that she was sleeping all night. You know, she never

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went outside as far as she knows. Yeah. At lunch,

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Alvastar's having visions of being choked falling to his death,

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and she also hears a voice that says the priest

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like the priest, the priest like brains about the priest. Yeah, yeah,

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very medicine, and the voice also says Bartolomey is next,

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as there was a first, possibly right right. During siesta,

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albas sneaks out, hoping to talk to Elias about how

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he might help her with all the weird things she's

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been experiencing since. During lunch, her dad and Bartolo may

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we're talking about the alchemy about Lias, and her mom's like,

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alchemy is demonic and she's like, wait, but what if

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I'm demonic? So anyway, she tells e Lias about her

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nightmares involving bartolome her fears that he'll be called next.

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She asks Elias to warn him, and she tries to

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rush away. Elias is like, hold on, actually tell me

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what's going on, because you'ren't really telling me anything. You're

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just saying that he might be next, And so she

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tells him that even though her door was locked, she

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had a gravel on her feet and her door was

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unlocked the night of Metal was killed. Alias tells Albab

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about finding her outside, that she wasn't herself and how

438
00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:14.960
she was walking like if she was being led by something,

439
00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:18.279
and that didn't seem like normal sleepwalking to him, and

440
00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:22.640
he knows because his mom used to sleepwalk. And mind you,

441
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:25.400
the whole time that they're talking, Alba's hearing the voice

442
00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:29.039
telling her to flee. Alias is like, I fear you.

443
00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:33.039
You're possessed, and she's like, what the fuck? And then

444
00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:38.880
she leaves possessed me possessed impossible. She runs away, and

445
00:28:38.920 --> 00:28:42.559
while she's running away, whatever voice she's hearing, it's like, yes,

446
00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:47.160
get away from him, leave, yes, yes, my breshus exactly

447
00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:51.279
like that. Then the next day, Maria Victoriana brings Lilias

448
00:28:51.279 --> 00:28:53.880
some food to the workshop and she tells him not

449
00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:56.640
to go out at night because not safe. She also

450
00:28:56.640 --> 00:28:58.839
makes fun of him for a Christian Alba, and he's like,

451
00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:05.599
ordeying that conversation at night, that's really important. But anyway,

452
00:29:05.640 --> 00:29:10.079
he he remembers about his time in prison that there

453
00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:13.000
was a man that was said to be possessed, and

454
00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:16.559
how alike in like behavior that man in Alba were

455
00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:21.519
and it's just like cementing, I guess to him, nd Alba, Yeah,

456
00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:25.839
for sure possessed. Then he hears a door opening and

457
00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:29.359
sees a woman with Alba but not Alba, because he's

458
00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:34.079
holding a knife attacking him. She rushes towards him. They struggle,

459
00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:37.200
and she's heal strong, and he's like, she's impossibly strong.

460
00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:42.920
What's going on? What's happening? And she's so strong she

461
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:46.119
manages to hold the knife against his throat and during

462
00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:49.640
the struggle, Elias remembers the instructions from a liberal de

463
00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:54.599
Santi Priano. So he asked, this woman, are you the devil?

464
00:29:54.880 --> 00:29:59.000
And who basically trying to find out how the demon

465
00:29:59.119 --> 00:30:03.480
is whatever? What's going to at a smo like that book?

466
00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:06.519
Are you a demon? Yeah? Yeah, So he goes back

467
00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:10.160
and forth with Alba, slash the demon, and the demon

468
00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:13.480
reveals something he's never told Alba. Alba would have no

469
00:30:13.599 --> 00:30:19.119
way of knowing. The demon knows about Elia's wife who died, Fatima,

470
00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:22.640
and the demon also spoke to him in his dialect

471
00:30:23.359 --> 00:30:26.599
that Alba or language that Alba doesn't even know. Oh

472
00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:31.119
my god, I just realized I wrote something else earlier.

473
00:30:31.119 --> 00:30:33.480
But I think that earlier I wrote the language. And

474
00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:39.599
then this is like the dialect. Oh yeah, m hm.

475
00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:44.119
And so we try another sign, right, yeah, she knows

476
00:30:44.119 --> 00:30:49.279
things she shouldn't. Yeah, yeah, And Elias starts reciting prayers,

477
00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:53.519
which seemed to weaken the demon before the demon leaves

478
00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:56.000
and tells Elias that he'll need stronger allies if he

479
00:30:56.079 --> 00:31:01.480
wants Alba, and then Albat comes to and collapses. When

480
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:04.720
she wakes up, Alias confronts her and he's like, how

481
00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:06.680
did you know about my wife? And she's like, you're

482
00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:13.920
you're married wife? What wife does Castaldo? And she also

483
00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:17.759
doesn't remember attacking him with the knife, so they're like, yeah, yeah,

484
00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:23.400
you're possessed. Yeah yeah. During this conversation, Elias tells Alba

485
00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:25.839
that he went to prison for accidentally killing a man

486
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:29.480
during a drunken fight and that his wife died while

487
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:33.480
he was in prison. Alba keeps hearing the voice telling

488
00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:36.920
her to kill Elias during the whole conversation. Not good

489
00:31:38.440 --> 00:31:41.759
and yeah. So Alias comes to the conclusion that Alba

490
00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:45.039
is possessed and she's the danger around here. Mm hmm

491
00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:48.960
am I the danger? Wait? Am I the problem? Yes? Yes,

492
00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:52.759
Alba you are. They decided Alba could be possessed again.

493
00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:55.480
She falls asleep, so it's best that she stays there

494
00:31:55.519 --> 00:31:58.880
with Alias, and Alba wonders if, maybe, if she should

495
00:31:58.920 --> 00:32:02.480
talk to Bartolome her issue, but Elias is worried about

496
00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:06.000
the quisition, so they decide to look in the book

497
00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:09.960
to see what answers they find, and the next day

498
00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:12.279
they plan to try out try out a spell to

499
00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:17.480
identify the demon possessing Alba, but first Elias tells her

500
00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:20.279
shessler how to say no, so he knows when to

501
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:23.960
stop the spell or whatever it is exorcism, I guess,

502
00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:28.200
And they end up kissing during this because she's like, no,

503
00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:33.240
don't stop, and now kiss basically yeah, and they're making

504
00:32:33.319 --> 00:32:38.480
out when Maria Victorina walks in and interrupts them, and

505
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:40.480
they act like, you know, they weren't doing a thing,

506
00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:43.920
as well as when one is birched, yeah someone, it

507
00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:47.599
looks like, oh, oh hey, we were we weren't busy,

508
00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:53.279
you're not interrupting anything. During this exorcism, Elias had to

509
00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:56.279
draw out, you know, the little pentagrams and whatnot. Madia

510
00:32:56.359 --> 00:33:00.000
Victoria sees them and she is scared, but she gets

511
00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:03.039
Melias because she's like, Bartolome is gonna kill you for

512
00:33:03.079 --> 00:33:06.680
doing black magic and she runs away because she's like,

513
00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:09.079
you're gonna get in trouble and it's her fault. Fuck,

514
00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:14.160
that bitch, and she also tells I mean, she's saying

515
00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:16.759
all this so i'll but finds out that Alias has

516
00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:19.160
a crush on her, which I mean, they just made out,

517
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:26.880
so obviously she did that, but now it's confirmed. Yeah. Yeah,

518
00:33:26.920 --> 00:33:29.240
And so then back to the to the extiorcism that

519
00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:32.519
they were so really interrupted, Well they were making out

520
00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:35.759
instead of doing extiousism. Right now, they get down to business.

521
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:39.240
Right right now we're making out. It's time for the exorcism.

522
00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:43.880
So a LiAZ starts the incantations and soon Alba is

523
00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:47.039
gone and the demon takes over. The demon says it

524
00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:49.599
wants Elias dead for being a my teacher, and it

525
00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:54.200
wants Bartolo dead because he's a priest. No I know,

526
00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:59.000
but just because it's funnier. The demon and up pitting

527
00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:03.079
Elias before and he's all bleeding before Alba comes to,

528
00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:05.480
and then they're like, okay, this is too much for us,

529
00:34:05.480 --> 00:34:08.800
we have to go to Bartolo Mare. And as soon

530
00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:11.519
as they're talking to Bartolome, the demon is telling Alba

531
00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:15.519
kill him, kill him. So yeah, they don't get far

532
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:19.679
into telling Bardolo may what's going on. And then they

533
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:22.639
don't have to tell him because she becomes possessed. She

534
00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:28.400
starts showing symptoms of her possession, shaking, frothing at the mouth.

535
00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:33.360
Bartolome and Alias decide to confine Alba and they take

536
00:34:33.400 --> 00:34:37.119
turns watching her since she seems to be more susceptible

537
00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:40.719
to being possessed when she sleeps, and to cover for

538
00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:44.119
all of this, Bartolomet tells everyone that she has to

539
00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:49.320
isolate because she's showing symptoms of matelasawat against Elias wishes

540
00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:52.440
Bartolo may well. Elias ends up a green, but Bardolome

541
00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:57.000
rights to the inquisition and he assures Alias the album

542
00:34:57.039 --> 00:34:58.480
won't be her, but they have to know in case

543
00:34:58.519 --> 00:35:01.400
they can help or whatever. But that's also something he

544
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:07.480
can to assure, right, Yeah, And then Elias tells Bartolomeo

545
00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:12.599
about about attacking him, and Bartolome is like, why are

546
00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:15.079
you on wats in this? Wait? Why are you here?

547
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:18.800
Where's Carlos? Yeah exactly, But then he's like, well, maybe

548
00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:20.840
it's because you double on alchemy, so that makes him

549
00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:33.280
more open to like this dark stuff. Bartolome takes over

550
00:35:33.400 --> 00:35:36.119
watch of Alba and Alias goes back to the workshop

551
00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:39.119
where he sees my dear Victoriana and Carolina and they

552
00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:42.360
invite him over for dinner. Alias is worried about Bartolome

553
00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:44.639
seeing all his alchemy and dark magic stuff, so he

554
00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:48.159
takes his spell book and liberal the son Cipristiano with him.

555
00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:52.039
Once they sit down for dinner, Carolina warns Alias that

556
00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:54.519
there are some things he needs to understand now that

557
00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:59.119
he's used the book. He just played dumb well a book,

558
00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:01.760
but that doesn't work. I don't even know how to read.

559
00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:08.840
Carolina tells Eliaz that many many years ago, her grandmother

560
00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:11.679
and others had been brought to that land by force

561
00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:15.519
to work the mines, and everything was dead, and there

562
00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:18.880
were dry bones of the people before them everywhere, either

563
00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:24.960
killed by pox, matlasawat or the musket. There were no trees,

564
00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:28.559
no life, only stones and ghosts until they scar those

565
00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:32.639
opened the mountain, and there was something foreoring there that

566
00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:38.199
got there with the beninsulares, and it laid waste to

567
00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:42.679
everything it found. Rumors said a ruko had trapped the

568
00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:46.480
thing there, but it kept living deep in the mountains. Then,

569
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:50.800
some twenty five years ago, Victoriano came to her with

570
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:54.199
a baby that someone had left inside the mine, and

571
00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:57.119
she could immediately see that evil thing from the mountain

572
00:36:57.280 --> 00:37:02.840
was living inside that baby. Carolina knew who gave birth

573
00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:05.400
to the baby. It was someone that had been raped

574
00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:10.119
by young Isquero, and she told everyone she had a

575
00:37:10.199 --> 00:37:16.000
still born Before bouncing from town. Carolina told Victoriano to

576
00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:17.960
just put it back in the mind, but years later

577
00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:20.320
she learned that he had given the baby to a

578
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:24.079
merchant couple from Sacatecas. And she's like, cool, the evil

579
00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:28.079
was gone, it's far away, but now it's back because

580
00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:32.800
it was Alba. That baby was Alma, and that's why

581
00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:35.679
she didn't like her, okay, and I think she has

582
00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:40.159
a good reason. I think she does. Yeah, yeah, Alba's

583
00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:45.079
a demon. Yeah mm hmm. She tells Elias he has

584
00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:47.239
to kill the host of the demon in open air

585
00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:50.679
on a windy peak because the wind will take it away,

586
00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:55.159
but Elias refuses because he loves Alba, my de Victor

587
00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:56.559
and I was like, see, I told you she wouldn't

588
00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:58.119
do it. He's in love with her. To her mom,

589
00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:00.880
she says there might be another way, that there's a

590
00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:03.679
goddess who lives in the mountain who they call Death.

591
00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:07.719
That's who the shrine is for Death might be able

592
00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:10.400
to help, so Elias agrees to get death's help, and

593
00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:14.239
he goes to the shrine with Maria vic Doriana. Alro

594
00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:18.800
wakes up and sees Bartolome who is praying Novenna. After Novenna,

595
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:22.119
he tells Alba that it will take will, that nothing

596
00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:24.679
will change unless she wanted to, and she's like, what

597
00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:26.320
the fuck of course, I don't want this thing inside

598
00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:31.880
of me, dumb bitch, and they keep praying together. Elias, Carolina,

599
00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:35.159
and Maria vic Doriana, in the meantime, go to the shrine,

600
00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:38.800
but before Maria Victoriana can follow Elias into the entrance

601
00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:43.280
of the grotto, Carolinas natchez Maria Victoriana and tells Elias

602
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:45.320
he has to go by himself, that no one else

603
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:48.800
can touch the darkness like that, that darkness can only

604
00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:52.000
be undone. But it's like so like Elias is emo

605
00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:55.360
and he's dark and that's why he can do that

606
00:38:55.840 --> 00:39:02.840
darkness undone stuff inside. Alias finds the shrine and the

607
00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:06.159
bowl of mercury. He plunges his fingers into the mercury

608
00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:08.840
and a voice speaks to him. It says it's been

609
00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:12.360
waiting for him. He asks for help for Alba, and

610
00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:17.000
the voice tells him it moves with quicksilver, and that

611
00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:20.039
it is wherever it runs, and that Alias is full

612
00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:23.599
of it. That is the road to it, and to

613
00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:27.280
walk that road. Then the mercury kind of enters his

614
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:31.079
body and the voice says, use quicksilver, raid my land

615
00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:35.079
of the foreign devil, and like the Spanish would fucking

616
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:39.280
bring this demon with them? Of course, yeah, they're demonic selves.

617
00:39:41.719 --> 00:39:45.280
Alias sticks over Alba's watch again and tells her about

618
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:49.360
her birth and abandonment, and Alba can't help but feel

619
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:53.519
admiration for the women that gave Brits to her, a

620
00:39:53.559 --> 00:39:56.079
woman who walked away from her burdens and carved the

621
00:39:56.119 --> 00:40:00.760
path for Alba. She also feels hollow, lack of grief,

622
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:03.320
and she feels like a curse, like she never belonged

623
00:40:03.360 --> 00:40:09.239
to anyone. She's a demon. So Arabat feels the demon

624
00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:11.880
coming forward and warns Elias to stay away, But at

625
00:40:11.880 --> 00:40:14.559
the same time, Alba's hopeful that she'll be free of

626
00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:17.239
the demon, and she asks for Elias help to get

627
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:20.960
away from Psychathicas once she's free of the demon, and

628
00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:24.760
then she wants him to touch her once she's no

629
00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:30.400
longer a pothess. Yeah, yeah, of course. The next day.

630
00:40:31.480 --> 00:40:38.840
It's big. It is exorcism a day. But before that,

631
00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:43.119
Elias is eating when his uncle Eraclio comes to talk

632
00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:44.679
to him and tells him that he wants him to

633
00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:46.719
go and is willing to give him the money he

634
00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:50.599
owes already because he brings out the worst in Catlos

635
00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:54.440
and he's bad for the family and for Gadlos' engagement.

636
00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:58.639
And Elias is like, no, I'm not going anywhere. Then

637
00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:01.920
it's time for the exorcism, and Carlos and Alias are like,

638
00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:05.000
what the fuck are you doing here? Oh? Because Cardloss

639
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:08.840
is there? Yeah. Yeah. They're to each other, you doing

640
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:10.639
like what are you doing here? Like Spider Man mean,

641
00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:16.039
like what are you doing here? Yeah? And then Bartholome

642
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:18.280
is like, shut the fuck up. I need two assistants,

643
00:41:18.320 --> 00:41:20.840
so get over it and help me. They're about to

644
00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:25.360
get started when Alias realizes Alba is already possessed the demons,

645
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:28.599
starts slashing out. Cardlos freezes because he's a little bitch,

646
00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:32.960
but he's never seen a possessed To be fair, No,

647
00:41:33.400 --> 00:41:38.719
Elias is just a real man, okay, And because he's

648
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:43.519
a real man, Elias manages to tie Alba down. They

649
00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:47.440
start praying and the demon starts sucking shit, accuses Cardlos

650
00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:52.280
of wanting Bartholome in o gay way. It's Pride month.

651
00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:58.280
Bartholome tries to compel the demon to give him its name,

652
00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:03.280
but the demon, like Spanish, is beneath me. I don't

653
00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:06.039
have a name in your language, because you fucking suck.

654
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:12.079
Bartolome starts hitting Alba ah, and for a second it

655
00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:16.679
seems like the demon is expelled from her, but it's not. Finally,

656
00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:20.280
Elias resides incantations, and finally Elia is like a real man,

657
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:26.199
takes over and he resides incantations from Libro, the san Cipriano,

658
00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:30.840
and the mercury surges th through him. But then Bartolomeo

659
00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:34.000
Carlos turn against Alas because they're like, no, now you're

660
00:42:34.039 --> 00:42:37.760
doing demon shit. But he's not, you know, he's just

661
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:42.199
saving her. Yeah. Alba wakes up the next day and

662
00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:46.440
finds another priest there, Padre Oracion, and learns that more

663
00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:49.239
priests are there to take over the exorcism. So this

664
00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:55.039
is the inquisition now, right, Yeah. Eventually, Maria Victoriana comes

665
00:42:55.039 --> 00:42:58.280
to Alabas's room with some soup and she's skimming me.

666
00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:02.639
Spills some soup and Alba Sorao has to leave the room.

667
00:43:03.280 --> 00:43:07.440
While bare Orazio is gone, Maria Victoria tells Albada Alias

668
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:09.559
is being held at the stables and that will probably

669
00:43:09.639 --> 00:43:14.000
kill him and that it's Alaba's fault. Later that night,

670
00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:18.519
Alba manages to get away with surprisingly with Carlo's help, Yeah,

671
00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:22.800
which took some convincing and pleading, but he does help. Ultimately,

672
00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:26.960
Alba frees Alias while Carlos gets them horses and supplies,

673
00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:32.880
and they set off. Unfortunately, the dems Alaba almost right away,

674
00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:38.199
and Elias is able to fight it off. I think

675
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:42.280
he well, he uses his new mercury powers, but also

676
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:46.039
he the go into the side of him. Yeah, yeah,

677
00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:48.920
something like that. And just when they're about to set

678
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:52.599
off again, Bartolome comes and ruins everything. He could have

679
00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:55.079
just been happy with. Uh, he could just let them go,

680
00:43:55.199 --> 00:44:02.320
but no, Bartolome is too greedy in a capitalist Spainiard

681
00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:08.480
colonizer sort of way, you know. Yeah. Yeah. So then

682
00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:11.280
they start fighting Alias the demon inside of him, the

683
00:44:11.320 --> 00:44:15.920
mercury also inside of him against Bartolome, the mercury demon

684
00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:22.800
fusion if you right, right, Bartolome and Alva hits Bartolome

685
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:28.719
in the head but Elias doesn't survive the diving. And

686
00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:31.920
when this happened, I fell to my knees and I

687
00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:33.840
was like, what do you mean he died? What do

688
00:44:33.880 --> 00:44:36.840
you mean he didn't survive? I screamed. I felt my

689
00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:42.880
knees and I screamed. Yeah. Album Alba remembers the day

690
00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:45.920
Alias died, and she remembers seeing the shadows of the

691
00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:51.360
demon and the goddess or death whatever it is, leaving

692
00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:54.000
his body. But the demon is like, well, you know

693
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:55.960
what I gotta do now, and it enters her body again.

694
00:44:57.559 --> 00:45:03.679
I need a home. Yeah. The days go on, the

695
00:45:03.719 --> 00:45:08.760
Inquisition is there in town, ruining everyone else's lives, and

696
00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:13.639
they also have one final exorcism for Alba. During the exorcism,

697
00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:16.880
Alba decides to make a deal with the demon. Three

698
00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:19.599
months go by, and as far as everyone knows, the

699
00:45:19.639 --> 00:45:23.880
exorcism worked and the wedding is back on. Alba walks

700
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:25.559
down the aisle and as soon as she gets to

701
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:29.880
the altar, she lists the demon loots. The demon was

702
00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:32.440
never exercised. It was just chilling for a minute because

703
00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:35.360
she's like, you know what, you know what, you can

704
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:38.400
stay here with three months, but then you go and

705
00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:44.079
attack those priests, especially specially Bartolome. The demon pretty much

706
00:45:44.159 --> 00:45:47.679
kills everyone and it's still craving more, more murder, more

707
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:52.639
death until she hears a voice called her name, and

708
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:56.320
Alba like kind of comes back to herself and it's

709
00:45:56.320 --> 00:46:01.679
Alias there. Yeah. Yeah, then when one we thought that died. Yeah,

710
00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:04.559
when I was like, wait he called her, I jumped

711
00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:07.280
up from my knees. I was no longer on my knees.

712
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:14.199
I was able to stand up. Yeah, and they walk

713
00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:17.159
away happily ever after. But a yet, because we get

714
00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:21.119
one final Alia's chapter where we learn that he survived

715
00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:24.440
the stabbing and Maria Victoriana, with the help of the

716
00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:28.599
local curandera, then nursed him back to health and he

717
00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:31.840
goes back to the shrine, gets some more powers whatever.

718
00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:36.000
He sticks a round. He finds out about Alba's wedding,

719
00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:37.960
and he's like, that's when I make my move and

720
00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:41.880
go save her. That's when I'm healed. Yeah. He doesn't

721
00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:45.000
make it a time though, to prevent anyone's murders whatever,

722
00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:48.039
but it's fine because it was Bartolome and Spanish priests.

723
00:46:48.159 --> 00:46:52.599
Yeah yeah, so who cares. Yeah, But before they run away,

724
00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:56.400
Elias does the actual final extorcism of Alba with his

725
00:46:56.480 --> 00:47:01.559
mercury powers, and it works. The demon actually leaves and

726
00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:06.719
they head off to to live happily rafter without demons,

727
00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:12.039
mercury alchemy, black magic. What happened? First of all, Finally,

728
00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:17.760
Isabel Kanyas, thank you for not separating the two love interests.

729
00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:21.880
The only one that happens is that that happens in

730
00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:27.960
is the senda. They end up together. Remember at the end,

731
00:47:28.599 --> 00:47:32.079
You're right, yeah, yeah, but I'm happy. I'm happy that

732
00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:36.719
they survived and that they they got to leave and

733
00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:40.760
they went to a capulco and they lived happily rafter.

734
00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:45.159
Hmm yeah, same, okay, And before all else, you have

735
00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:49.639
any anything else to share? No, we're we're going to

736
00:47:49.719 --> 00:47:51.960
do thoughts and then discussion questions. Yeah. I just have

737
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:54.320
these thoughts that are like like share, I can't like

738
00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:56.840
call the home, like I can't give me to them,

739
00:47:57.320 --> 00:48:01.559
fall to the floor and screamed them to me. Okay, okay, okay,

740
00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:08.920
So possession, m okay, possession, possession, yeah right right, possession.

741
00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:17.320
They often possession stories often highlight yeah anyway, possessions like

742
00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:22.239
about highlighting women's lack of autonomy and older possession stories right,

743
00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:26.000
like the extisses. They punish women, slash girls who don't

744
00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:33.880
follow the rigidness of social norms, heteronormativity, you know whatnot right,

745
00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:36.159
Like if we go back to the ectresses, Reagan's mom

746
00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:39.000
is a business woman, she's single, and there's no male

747
00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:42.880
role model in the home, all right, in the eyes

748
00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:46.760
of a Catholicism, right, and so then the two priests

749
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:49.599
have to come in and restore the social order. Oh

750
00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:53.239
say I exercise the demon from Reagan? Yes, And I

751
00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:59.079
was like wow, wo wow. This book subversive, yes, right,

752
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:04.480
it echoed a lot right of the similar themes albat

753
00:49:04.519 --> 00:49:10.480
lax agency. She's a woman colonial times, and she schemes

754
00:49:10.760 --> 00:49:13.960
her way into an engagement that would be beneficial for her. Right,

755
00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:19.480
she's not following, she's scheming wrong of her deserves to

756
00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:24.480
be punished whatever she gets possessed. But unlike the exiorcist,

757
00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:27.320
it's not the it's not the church, it's not the

758
00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:30.440
Catholic Church, not the priest not but that saves her

759
00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:38.039
right and the church obviously representing the patriarchy heteronomativity. Instead,

760
00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:45.679
it's Alias who only from the power of a goddess

761
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:50.000
death whatever she is. And Albert consent, right, because every

762
00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:52.440
step of the way he's like, you have to, you know,

763
00:49:53.559 --> 00:49:56.920
tell me this is okay. Even at the end he's like,

764
00:49:57.519 --> 00:49:59.280
I forgot what he how he wards it, But basically

765
00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:02.559
he gets out about consent to do the exorcism, and

766
00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:06.599
it's only then that the excorism works. And if this

767
00:50:06.679 --> 00:50:15.039
is not like a flipping of the normal exorcism story, right, yes,

768
00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:21.920
also worth adding that I'd rather ask my god, I

769
00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:31.000
was pregnant while writing this. Oh yeah, she said on

770
00:50:31.039 --> 00:50:33.679
her talk that I attended, right, the one talk you

771
00:50:33.679 --> 00:50:35.639
want to okay, Yeah, the one talk I intended where

772
00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:37.920
I got a picture with her that's up on our

773
00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:40.480
Instagram right now, go look at it right now, Go

774
00:50:40.519 --> 00:50:42.639
look at it again, like it if you haven't liked it.

775
00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:46.559
And so yeah, during that and she mentions and talks

776
00:50:46.599 --> 00:50:52.039
about how that's kind of like a possession itself. Oh

777
00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:55.960
my god, Well, I not in this book, but I

778
00:50:56.039 --> 00:50:59.639
just got done listening to the Chad Wife by I

779
00:50:59.639 --> 00:51:01.920
forgot there's name. There's like two tread wife books out

780
00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:04.199
there with that name, and one coming later this year.

781
00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:08.320
By the way, Well that's the what's in right now. Yeah,

782
00:51:08.079 --> 00:51:13.920
the whores of our current era. Yeah, tread Whiffrey. But

783
00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:19.119
in that book, it's not really possession, but it's demon

784
00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:21.559
and there's like a pregnancy. So I was thinking about

785
00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:23.199
that a lot. And there's other books where it's like

786
00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:27.760
they like could compare like pregnancies. Look that like a

787
00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:31.360
possession and it's it is. I mean when you look

788
00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:34.159
at it and and it is. Yeah, there's like a

789
00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:37.000
demon inside you, you know. Yeah, it wants to come out,

790
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:42.039
stealing your nutrients, yeah, making you sick mm hmm. And

791
00:51:42.079 --> 00:51:45.159
then you have to at least for a long time

792
00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:53.320
your needs on the back burner, and this new demon baby,

793
00:51:53.480 --> 00:51:56.639
it takes over your whole life. You're everything you like,

794
00:51:56.760 --> 00:51:59.639
You're not you anymore. You're a mom now your mom,

795
00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:05.440
you're your old heilm is gone. Yeah. Yeah. And when

796
00:52:05.480 --> 00:52:10.719
you look at the imagery of a possession, right, the screaming,

797
00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:14.840
the painfulness, the shaking, the throwing up. M hm, does

798
00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:18.119
that not sound like giving birth? I mean I threw up,

799
00:52:18.159 --> 00:52:25.159
I screamed, I field profanities. Yeah so yeah, yeah, so yeah,

800
00:52:25.320 --> 00:52:31.079
very insightful. And also, let me just finish that thought

801
00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:35.639
real quick. Pregnancy is probably one of the most dangerous,

802
00:52:35.679 --> 00:52:37.840
if not the most dangerous time in a woman's life,

803
00:52:38.920 --> 00:52:44.360
and so is the demonic possession. Right, And pregnant women

804
00:52:44.480 --> 00:52:49.920
are more likely to be harmed by their male spouses partners,

805
00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:54.559
usually father of the children. Right. So I feel like

806
00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:57.840
in this story, like we get like the example like

807
00:52:58.480 --> 00:53:03.199
of patriarchy, the harmful you know, typical mescaline man, and

808
00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:05.639
then we have a Lias who is like the opposite.

809
00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:09.079
And I feel like, obviously not everyone you never know,

810
00:53:09.559 --> 00:53:13.920
you know, like who the man you're dealing with really is, right,

811
00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:16.800
And so of course it's never a woman's fault where

812
00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:19.840
a man ends up hurting her obviously, right. But it's

813
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:28.360
like that's a real monster Manah yeah, right, not in Lias.

814
00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:34.280
But yeah, yeah, it's like it's like the Church Bartolome equivalent. Yes,

815
00:53:34.360 --> 00:53:37.679
and yeah, that just kind of develed a little bit.

816
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:40.519
But it's what was on my mind, and I loved it.

817
00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:51.199
I was here for it. Yeah. Should we get into

818
00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:56.079
discussion questions? Yeah, let's do it. Okay. First one, this

819
00:53:56.119 --> 00:54:00.920
book takes place in Mexico in seventeen sixty five. Did

820
00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:10.800
anything take you by surprise in this time period and setting? Yeah?

821
00:54:11.199 --> 00:54:14.840
I think so? No, I mean, like someone else maybe

822
00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:18.280
it would have, but like not us, because we know

823
00:54:19.719 --> 00:54:24.679
again already about the time period. Yeah, some people would

824
00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:31.440
be surprised to learn that there's minds or that actually,

825
00:54:31.480 --> 00:54:35.760
you know what, I feel like I had a really

826
00:54:36.280 --> 00:54:42.199
like I know about the Moors and Spain in a

827
00:54:42.280 --> 00:54:45.239
very vague sense, and so it was just cool to

828
00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:49.000
hear about and learn about like Elias his background, and

829
00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:52.320
like his language and the combination which I didn't know

830
00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:55.199
a little bit about, but like that his dialect, how

831
00:54:55.199 --> 00:55:02.280
it combines like Spanish and Arabic, Arab Arabic, yeah, yeah, yeah,

832
00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:04.920
and a lot of a lot of words in Spanish

833
00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:12.159
are Arabic, like yes, yes, so yeah, no that I

834
00:55:12.199 --> 00:55:13.880
think that would have been interesting for someone who didn't

835
00:55:13.880 --> 00:55:20.079
know that already, but I yeah, but no, yeah, yeah, okay,

836
00:55:20.119 --> 00:55:25.920
So next question, mm hmm. Albat goes through a lot

837
00:55:25.920 --> 00:55:29.719
when she reaches the Minds and finds herself relying on Elias.

838
00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:32.800
Did you find him trustworthy? Was there anyone else you

839
00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:39.079
thought she would have confided in. I think it makes

840
00:55:39.079 --> 00:55:41.280
sense that she didn't really trust anyone around her, like

841
00:55:41.280 --> 00:55:47.119
her parents lied to her whole life. Carlos is he's

842
00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:49.199
like her bestiep But at the same time, he's he's

843
00:55:49.239 --> 00:55:57.239
a man, right, and also he is uh, I don't

844
00:55:57.239 --> 00:55:59.880
know colors that maybe she hadn't seen before. There there were,

845
00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:07.320
I mean, now, yeah, yeah, I trusted Elias immediately. He

846
00:56:07.519 --> 00:56:11.679
is my new andress. So yeah, I was like, yeah,

847
00:56:11.800 --> 00:56:15.719
I put my life in his hands Lord full faith.

848
00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:20.599
Yeah yeah, yeah, but no, I don't I agree that

849
00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:22.239
there's no one else you could have confided it in. So,

850
00:56:24.519 --> 00:56:27.519
having read the story, what, why do you think the

851
00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:30.320
quote by jose that Costa was included at the beginning

852
00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:32.199
of the book. And I have the quote here because

853
00:56:32.199 --> 00:56:35.159
I took a picture of it. Oh, I want to

854
00:56:35.159 --> 00:56:37.159
look at it in my book because I haven't here. Yes,

855
00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:45.800
flipped to the page in the beginning. Yeah, are you

856
00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:49.880
gonna read it? Yeah? But it is a circumstance worthy

857
00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:52.960
of much consideration that the wisdom of our eternal Lord

858
00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:56.519
has enriched the most remote parts of the world inhabited

859
00:56:56.559 --> 00:57:00.039
by the most uncivilized people, and has placed there the

860
00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:04.559
greatest number of minds that ever existed, in order to

861
00:57:04.599 --> 00:57:08.679
invite men to seek out and possess those lands, and coincidentally,

862
00:57:08.840 --> 00:57:12.440
to communicate their religion and the worship of the True

863
00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:15.639
God to men who do not know it. Hence we

864
00:57:15.679 --> 00:57:18.679
see that the lands in the Indies that are richest

865
00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:21.639
in minds and wealth have been those most advanced in

866
00:57:21.679 --> 00:57:24.800
the Christian religion in our time, and thus the Lord

867
00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:28.400
takes advantage of our desires to serve his sovereign ends.

868
00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:32.320
In this regard, a wise man once said that what

869
00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:35.360
a man does to marry off an ugly daughter is

870
00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:39.000
give her a large diairy. This is what God has

871
00:57:39.079 --> 00:57:43.239
done with that rugged land, endowing it with great wealth

872
00:57:43.320 --> 00:57:47.000
in minds, so that whoever wished could find it by

873
00:57:47.039 --> 00:57:50.880
this means. Hence there is a great abundance of minds

874
00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:58.639
in the Indies, minds of every metal copper, iron, lead, tin, quicksilver, silver,

875
00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:08.440
and gold costa And why do we think it was included? Yes, well,

876
00:58:08.639 --> 00:58:11.519
pretty much the whole story. I was gonna say that

877
00:58:13.880 --> 00:58:15.960
it's kind of everything, isn't it. I don't need to

878
00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:17.920
remember if I read this clue, if I just skipped,

879
00:58:18.239 --> 00:58:21.280
I don't think I read it either. But wow, did

880
00:58:21.320 --> 00:58:26.159
it not just kind of sum up everything? No? It did?

881
00:58:26.239 --> 00:58:34.199
It touched on everything? Yeah, the colonization, the righteousness of

882
00:58:34.239 --> 00:58:40.960
the colonizer, right, the explotation of the land, mm hmmm hmm.

883
00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:45.840
And the entitlement that is involved in that. Yeah, I

884
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:49.480
mean everything is the exploitation in the name of religion

885
00:58:49.480 --> 00:58:53.280
and God. Yeah, like the talking about the selling off

886
00:58:53.320 --> 00:58:57.079
the ugly daughter, that's like how the Alba This this

887
00:58:57.199 --> 00:59:01.079
quote kind of encapsulates literally everything that is wrong with

888
00:59:01.119 --> 00:59:06.119
the world. Colonization, why supremacy, the patriarchy, which are all intertwined.

889
00:59:06.239 --> 00:59:14.400
It's in this quote. Yeah. Crazy, Yeah, oh wow, we

890
00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:16.480
read it for the first time right now, I know,

891
00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:25.239
we're like mind blown. Oh my god. Okay, who did

892
00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:27.400
you envision the speaker to be at the beginning of

893
00:59:27.440 --> 00:59:30.159
the story? Were you surprised when you got to the

894
00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:35.159
end and found out who it was? I thought it

895
00:59:35.239 --> 00:59:41.800
was I thought it was oh, well, yeah one of them.

896
00:59:42.000 --> 00:59:45.360
Who is it? Actually, I think it's Alba? Oh okay,

897
00:59:45.480 --> 00:59:48.480
because in the end she's talking about like this version

898
00:59:48.599 --> 00:59:51.960
was told and then we went off to walk the

899
00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:55.280
of the legend. So yeah, I think it's Alba. Oh okay.

900
00:59:55.280 --> 00:59:57.840
Well not me, assuming it was a man. Oh not

901
00:59:58.239 --> 01:00:03.559
you being a sexist. Clearly, I have a lot to

902
01:00:04.159 --> 01:00:07.760
unpack and unlearned. Still you have a lot to learn. Yeah, yeah,

903
01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:13.719
you picked me a ways yeah, did you have anything

904
01:00:13.719 --> 01:00:18.960
else to say about that? No? Okay. What did you

905
01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:21.840
think was the role of the Inquisition and Bartolome in

906
01:00:21.880 --> 01:00:28.239
the book? Well? I think that he and the Quisition

907
01:00:28.480 --> 01:00:34.039
just represented the harm of colonization in everything we've already said,

908
01:00:34.159 --> 01:00:38.360
like I was wrong, was and I'm sure, I'm sure

909
01:00:38.360 --> 01:00:41.320
there were things are wrong before before Anyone's like me,

910
01:00:41.440 --> 01:00:47.440
you know what I mean? No, I did not even me. Yeah, yeah,

911
01:00:48.199 --> 01:00:51.079
I'm sure, but you know what I mean, Like, no,

912
01:00:51.199 --> 01:00:55.840
you're she small the patriarchy. Yeah, Someone's like like, well,

913
01:00:55.840 --> 01:01:03.519
did you know that's what what about you? You know

914
01:01:03.599 --> 01:01:10.400
I had the same time that they that's what they represent. Yeah, Okay.

915
01:01:10.760 --> 01:01:13.599
Aliens finds himself helping Alva. What do you think he

916
01:01:13.639 --> 01:01:20.639
got out of helping her? Love? Why everything is about love,

917
01:01:23.000 --> 01:01:28.639
the love of his life, only to lose himself and

918
01:01:28.719 --> 01:01:34.440
someone else and his noble life is all about No,

919
01:01:34.519 --> 01:01:37.599
but really I don't know what else he got. I know,

920
01:01:37.639 --> 01:01:45.239
I'm trying to think, like a companion. What did you

921
01:01:45.280 --> 01:01:48.000
make of Alva's possession? Do you feel it was something

922
01:01:48.039 --> 01:01:54.119
she needed to go through? Yes? Why I think that

923
01:01:57.079 --> 01:02:04.480
she needed to go through the possession to really know

924
01:02:04.760 --> 01:02:09.880
what it's like to feel control over her decisions, her life,

925
01:02:09.920 --> 01:02:17.679
to have agency, to trust herself, you know. Yeah, yeah,

926
01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:25.639
maybe we all need to be possessed. Well yeah, well

927
01:02:25.639 --> 01:02:30.360
what were you gonna say? There we go on to

928
01:02:30.360 --> 01:02:34.079
take the dumblest ship. I was gonna agree. I do

929
01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:37.559
think she needed to go through it, one to really

930
01:02:38.320 --> 01:02:43.039
know herself, to really learn who she was, who she

931
01:02:43.079 --> 01:02:46.440
came from, what she is that wouldn't be possible without

932
01:02:46.480 --> 01:02:51.920
the possession, but also to learn, I think, to really

933
01:02:52.280 --> 01:02:54.519
what it is to really trust someone else, that it's

934
01:02:54.599 --> 01:02:58.239
not just her. She really needed to go through it

935
01:02:58.400 --> 01:03:03.719
to trust Elias and to love you know, oh my god,

936
01:03:03.760 --> 01:03:08.400
there it is again, to find a companion. No, because

937
01:03:09.920 --> 01:03:13.679
she she thinks she's she has agency in the city,

938
01:03:13.719 --> 01:03:17.119
control of her life when she schemes her way into

939
01:03:17.159 --> 01:03:20.920
getting engaged to Carlos, right yeah, yeah, And that's finding

940
01:03:21.119 --> 01:03:23.599
agency in a system where you don't have it. She

941
01:03:23.719 --> 01:03:27.719
forced herself to it. Yeah. After going through the possession,

942
01:03:27.960 --> 01:03:30.719
I think, you know, she learns like, no, that was

943
01:03:30.760 --> 01:03:38.360
not this is a true freedom. Yes, killing the priest Bartholome, Yeah,

944
01:03:38.440 --> 01:03:41.440
and then running off to a capuco with the companion

945
01:03:41.480 --> 01:03:49.559
of her life the man who helped her and save herself. Yes, yes, yes,

946
01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:52.440
you didn't see me, right, I was just no, I saw,

947
01:03:52.559 --> 01:03:55.480
I saw, I saw your arm and I knew what

948
01:03:55.519 --> 01:04:00.840
you were doing. She's throwing, uh, I'm free throwing like

949
01:04:01.559 --> 01:04:04.519
yeah yeah, I was like, she's doing a three liner,

950
01:04:04.639 --> 01:04:08.079
not a sound. I mean nothing about No, I just

951
01:04:08.079 --> 01:04:15.320
know that to throw. Yeah you did? Yeah, okay, yeah, okay.

952
01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:20.239
So the demon in the story thirst for priests blood?

953
01:04:20.559 --> 01:04:27.079
Why do you think that is? Why not? You know what?

954
01:04:27.360 --> 01:04:31.239
I actually like obviously coloensation, but also like they brought

955
01:04:31.360 --> 01:04:36.440
this thing supposedly maybe it's assumed right the story said

956
01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:41.880
it came with the Benninsulas. Yeah, so like, what is it?

957
01:04:42.079 --> 01:04:44.480
I just wanted to go back to its origins they

958
01:04:44.519 --> 01:04:47.559
wanted it, or maybe they had somehow trapped in and

959
01:04:47.760 --> 01:04:51.000
just want to revenge against Oh maybe from the whole something.

960
01:04:51.039 --> 01:04:57.039
Who knows? Was interesting though to think about. Yeah, yeah,

961
01:04:57.079 --> 01:04:59.440
I don't know. I wonder Actually I would love to

962
01:04:59.480 --> 01:05:04.079
hear other people thoughts on that specific question. Let's see,

963
01:05:05.719 --> 01:05:07.840
do the horrors in this book connect to the time

964
01:05:07.880 --> 01:05:11.320
period being portrayed? What? I don't know? Why then he

965
01:05:11.360 --> 01:05:14.039
ain't grasp me like, wow, okay, do the horrors in

966
01:05:14.079 --> 01:05:17.400
this book connect to the time period being portrayed? How

967
01:05:17.480 --> 01:05:22.280
so horrors? And yeah? Yeah, yeah, because this is a

968
01:05:22.320 --> 01:05:29.199
time it's seventeen sixty five. Yeah, what more needs to

969
01:05:29.239 --> 01:05:32.199
be said? Yeah, I mean we kind of already talked

970
01:05:32.199 --> 01:05:34.800
about it, but like I mean, this is a time

971
01:05:34.840 --> 01:05:41.320
period where women were the most object of objects. Yeah, yeah,

972
01:05:42.280 --> 01:05:47.840
and the book highlights that. Okay, Uh, silver and mercury

973
01:05:47.920 --> 01:05:50.760
play a big part in the story. What do you

974
01:05:50.800 --> 01:05:54.719
suppose these elements symbolize? Oh my god, I got nothing.

975
01:05:54.800 --> 01:05:58.840
That's such a question. I actually don't know. And I

976
01:05:58.880 --> 01:06:01.599
feel like I should know about silver and mercury to

977
01:06:01.599 --> 01:06:04.159
be able to process the question in the first place.

978
01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:09.559
And uh, what if they represent like because in the

979
01:06:09.679 --> 01:06:13.599
end that he leaves that behind mercury and what's the

980
01:06:13.679 --> 01:06:19.039
other thing? Silver? Yeah, what if it's like representing like

981
01:06:19.199 --> 01:06:26.639
the the greed of silver, silver dissolves into mercury. There's

982
01:06:26.639 --> 01:06:31.920
something there. Well, you need mercury to process the silver,

983
01:06:32.559 --> 01:06:37.000
but mercury poisons you and kills you. And in that

984
01:06:37.039 --> 01:06:41.599
way colonization, Yes, yes, also kills you on the inside

985
01:06:42.639 --> 01:06:45.679
and everything around it. Yes, I think that's the answer.

986
01:06:45.920 --> 01:06:48.280
And and yes, I had to leave it behind to

987
01:06:48.559 --> 01:06:52.719
truly had to be deconnize. Oh my god, that's it.

988
01:06:52.880 --> 01:06:57.000
That's it. And somebody please tell us if we're on

989
01:06:57.280 --> 01:07:03.079
the nose, we just we're making it up. If you

990
01:07:03.079 --> 01:07:05.360
have a serious, real answer to that question, I would

991
01:07:05.679 --> 01:07:14.320
know We'll just be right now. These questions were all

992
01:07:14.360 --> 01:07:16.760
from the Reader's Guide on Penguin ran House. I love

993
01:07:16.880 --> 01:07:21.760
when I have answers. No, bitch, it's open for discussion.

994
01:07:23.119 --> 01:07:25.639
I want. I am hoping someone can also tell us

995
01:07:25.639 --> 01:07:29.280
their interpretation of that question. Please, Oh my god, please

996
01:07:30.760 --> 01:07:34.079
did I did I read this book? I don't remember. Oh,

997
01:07:34.119 --> 01:07:36.119
we shouldn't ask him and then just send him the

998
01:07:36.159 --> 01:07:39.000
discussion portion like answer this question please, just the ones

999
01:07:39.079 --> 01:07:43.519
we needed to like yeah, yeah, okay, And that brings

1000
01:07:43.599 --> 01:07:49.119
us to the end of the discussion. We recapped the plot.

1001
01:07:49.320 --> 01:08:03.760
Now let's rate. What did you rate this five Mercury's

1002
01:08:03.920 --> 01:08:10.639
out of five mercurys. Yes for me, five pounds destroyed

1003
01:08:10.679 --> 01:08:21.439
by putting them inside mercury out of five. No, but

1004
01:08:21.479 --> 01:08:23.039
I loved it. I loved the book. It was no,

1005
01:08:23.159 --> 01:08:26.520
it was a five out of five. No seriousness, it

1006
01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:28.279
was a five out of five for me as well.

1007
01:08:28.680 --> 01:08:30.920
And if she writes it, I'm reading it, and if she,

1008
01:08:31.079 --> 01:08:33.159
if I read it, it's a five out of five automatically,

1009
01:08:33.199 --> 01:08:38.640
I don't care. Yeah, I have not read that one

1010
01:08:38.920 --> 01:08:42.239
seven book that is less than a five out of five. Yeah,

1011
01:08:42.319 --> 01:08:45.800
And like I understand for some people, like Vampires of Norte,

1012
01:08:46.039 --> 01:08:48.359
they didn't have enough vampires in it. It was still

1013
01:08:48.399 --> 01:08:49.800
a five out of five for me because it was

1014
01:08:49.800 --> 01:08:51.960
like a novela with vampires in the background. And then

1015
01:08:52.000 --> 01:08:55.399
I also saw some people saying that the metaphor of

1016
01:08:55.479 --> 01:08:59.439
the vampires was two on the nose and I loved it.

1017
01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:02.439
I loved it. And then for this one, I saw

1018
01:09:02.640 --> 01:09:07.840
some batter views that were all like the Mercury Goddess

1019
01:09:08.039 --> 01:09:12.159
thing came out of nowhere. But the whole time that

1020
01:09:12.399 --> 01:09:14.760
they've been they were talking about like they were talking

1021
01:09:14.760 --> 01:09:19.359
about something doctor goddess. Yeah, So to me, it didn't

1022
01:09:19.399 --> 01:09:24.439
feel like, you know, weren't paying attention. Yeah. Also, she

1023
01:09:24.560 --> 01:09:26.399
needed a way to get rid of the demon, like

1024
01:09:26.479 --> 01:09:32.399
come on, come on, okay, and what oh should we

1025
01:09:32.439 --> 01:09:40.479
pick a new book? Oh yeah, sorry, yeah, yeah, discussing,

1026
01:09:41.039 --> 01:09:45.600
I'm leaning in between. I'm torn between two right now, Okay,

1027
01:09:45.920 --> 01:09:49.960
the Immaculate Conception one I thought that didn't come out

1028
01:09:50.439 --> 01:09:52.159
tot a bit. When the fund does that come out?

1029
01:09:52.319 --> 01:09:56.920
I don't know, Actually I didn't. I did see it

1030
01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:03.079
was an arc, but I don't know when No, man,

1031
01:10:03.239 --> 01:10:06.039
is it even're gonna come up? Oh, but there's another Macli,

1032
01:10:06.479 --> 01:10:08.039
which is the one I sent. You're talking about the one

1033
01:10:08.039 --> 01:10:10.920
I sent you, right, Yeah, because there's in twenty two

1034
01:10:11.000 --> 01:10:15.159
five amclate conception. Wasn't it called the Magine Deception? Oh? Deception?

1035
01:10:17.840 --> 01:10:20.119
Because there's a book called the Micline Conception. But it's

1036
01:10:20.119 --> 01:10:27.079
like an Asian author. Wow, there's a lot. Oh, Isabela Lino,

1037
01:10:27.359 --> 01:10:32.680
isabel Let's see. I love the cover. It's like very gothic.

1038
01:10:33.560 --> 01:10:38.800
When September first, Oh should we because by the time

1039
01:10:38.840 --> 01:10:44.119
we uh. I was also going to suggest Monsterlio. Oh,

1040
01:10:44.399 --> 01:10:48.520
because I wanted to yap about it. Yeah, but I

1041
01:10:48.960 --> 01:10:52.600
guess I'd have to re read it, which is fine?

1042
01:10:53.640 --> 01:10:55.760
Which is that because that will be quick because we

1043
01:10:55.800 --> 01:11:01.000
already read it. Yes, okay, and that's what we can

1044
01:11:01.079 --> 01:11:04.359
talk about it. Let's do Monsterlio and let's announce the

1045
01:11:04.399 --> 01:11:09.399
next book after Monsterlio an immaculate exception. My fucking got

1046
01:11:09.399 --> 01:11:12.840
I was sick. Conception. I'm sorry. I just feel like

1047
01:11:13.039 --> 01:11:16.000
conception rolls out the tongue. No, it does, it does?

1048
01:11:16.119 --> 01:11:23.000
Because Okay, so we're gonna do next Monsterlio by Herado Samano.

1049
01:11:23.880 --> 01:11:27.319
This is a quick read. Yes, I was quicker than

1050
01:11:27.359 --> 01:11:29.199
I thought. I thought it wasn't tipping longer, and I

1051
01:11:29.279 --> 01:11:31.800
finished it so fast. So that's going to be our

1052
01:11:31.840 --> 01:11:34.960
next book right away. And I'm thinking maybe in like

1053
01:11:35.000 --> 01:11:37.960
two months we'll have that episode out, you know. Yeah,

1054
01:11:38.840 --> 01:11:42.680
and then after that I want to do an Immaculate

1055
01:11:42.760 --> 01:11:46.760
Deception by Isabela Libino. It comes out September one, twenty

1056
01:11:46.760 --> 01:11:49.560
twenty six. Can I read those or not? That's really quick?

1057
01:11:49.800 --> 01:11:53.439
Go for it? Okay. This is any debut gothic horror

1058
01:11:53.640 --> 01:11:57.039
set in eighteen seventies Brazil, a tale of creeping suspense

1059
01:11:57.079 --> 01:11:59.840
in which a young pregnant woman. So I got excited.

1060
01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:02.920
I feel like lately I've really been into like troldwye horror.

1061
01:12:03.680 --> 01:12:06.039
But also it's like that's kind of tight end, like

1062
01:12:06.079 --> 01:12:10.600
pregnancy horror anyways, and which a young pregnant woman finds

1063
01:12:10.600 --> 01:12:14.439
herself unable to escape her lover's isolated family home, and

1064
01:12:14.479 --> 01:12:18.640
a family deal with the devil goes terribly wrong, and

1065
01:12:18.680 --> 01:12:20.960
that's just like the little blur, but it goes on. Okay,

1066
01:12:21.159 --> 01:12:25.479
that's amazing, Yeah it does eighteen seventy seven, Pernambuco, Brazil.

1067
01:12:26.000 --> 01:12:29.520
Raised in a deeply religious household, A little bit of

1068
01:12:29.520 --> 01:12:32.279
tid reframing. I'm there, I mean this is traidwy time,

1069
01:12:32.319 --> 01:12:37.399
eighty seventies. In a deeply religious household, Madelena knows Dante's

1070
01:12:37.439 --> 01:12:40.760
inferno by heart and fears her mother's reaction as much

1071
01:12:40.760 --> 01:12:43.239
as she fears God. When she falls pregnant with the

1072
01:12:43.319 --> 01:12:47.239
child conceived in sin, her mother issues a threat, Mary,

1073
01:12:47.359 --> 01:12:51.039
or surrender the baby. Madelena is confident that the father,

1074
01:12:51.319 --> 01:12:54.439
the dashing Leandro Neves, will do right by her and propose,

1075
01:12:55.000 --> 01:12:57.119
but just as she's about to tell him about the baby,

1076
01:12:57.159 --> 01:13:00.479
a violent storm sends her carriage kreenin off the road.

1077
01:13:01.560 --> 01:13:05.960
Madelena awakens in Leandro's sprawling, secluded home under the care

1078
01:13:06.000 --> 01:13:10.319
of the mysterious and larger than life doctor Lobo Landro

1079
01:13:10.439 --> 01:13:12.720
is there, but he is no longer the charming poet

1080
01:13:12.800 --> 01:13:17.640
she knew. He's silent, obsessed, always watching. Strange perfume haunts

1081
01:13:17.680 --> 01:13:21.800
a locked room, pages vanished from books, jewels lie, untouched,

1082
01:13:21.800 --> 01:13:25.079
and they forgotten A wardrobe, and Mars begins disappearing after

1083
01:13:25.119 --> 01:13:30.640
Malena sees something or someone ghastly in the reflection, Leandro

1084
01:13:30.840 --> 01:13:34.560
is unraveling. Doctor Lobo may be hiding something even darker.

1085
01:13:35.119 --> 01:13:38.079
Trapped in its a cane house of secrets, Madelena must

1086
01:13:38.159 --> 01:13:41.119
uncover the truth before the men around her destroy her

1087
01:13:41.560 --> 01:13:44.159
and before the hell she fears becomes the one she's

1088
01:13:44.159 --> 01:13:49.359
living in. Oh my god, that sounds amazing. House. She's

1089
01:13:49.399 --> 01:13:54.720
trapped in a family of secrets, the devil religion. She's pregnant.

1090
01:13:54.880 --> 01:14:05.359
Oh my god, yes, amazing. It sounds amazing. Okay, okay, exciting. Also,

1091
01:14:06.079 --> 01:14:08.720
sorry side thing, I was wondering if you wanted to

1092
01:14:08.800 --> 01:14:13.399
yap about Yesteryear for Patreon right now. I guess we

1093
01:14:13.439 --> 01:14:14.760
could right now. I kind of wanted to do a

1094
01:14:14.760 --> 01:14:16.880
little recap, but I guess we don't have to. Actually,

1095
01:14:16.880 --> 01:14:18.680
Oh you know why, because I'm not done with it yet.

1096
01:14:19.159 --> 01:14:21.319
I've almost done with it. I just remember I'm not

1097
01:14:21.439 --> 01:14:24.800
actually done. Yeah, yeah, actually done. Yes, And if we

1098
01:14:24.920 --> 01:14:28.760
both read Yesteryear, if you want a recap of that

1099
01:14:29.079 --> 01:14:31.880
same kind of book club episode, vibe but over on

1100
01:14:31.920 --> 01:14:35.039
Patreon for Yesteryear, because that's not a Latina book. We

1101
01:14:35.119 --> 01:14:37.960
can't do it on the normal feed, so yeah, but

1102
01:14:38.000 --> 01:14:39.359
I have a lot of thoughts on the book. I

1103
01:14:39.399 --> 01:14:41.960
already did like a short video on it on TikTok,

1104
01:14:42.000 --> 01:14:46.399
but I have been wanting to further discuss the book.

1105
01:14:46.520 --> 01:14:52.119
So I'm excited, all right, Okay, and with that, let

1106
01:14:52.159 --> 01:14:55.119
us know your thoughts. And I don't know. If you

1107
01:14:55.119 --> 01:14:57.359
hear a baby crying inside of a mine and it's

1108
01:14:57.399 --> 01:15:03.560
seventeen sixty five and Mexico, maybe don't follow the crime baby. Yeah,

1109
01:15:03.560 --> 01:15:05.479
and actually that's you because that's how you're born from

1110
01:15:05.479 --> 01:15:08.439
a demon. Yes, yes, all right, say this booky. We'll

1111
01:15:08.479 --> 01:15:12.960
catch everyone next time. Bye bye. As Booktells is hosted

1112
01:15:13.000 --> 01:15:16.439
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1113
01:15:16.439 --> 01:15:19.520
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1114
01:15:19.520 --> 01:15:22.159
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1115
01:15:22.199 --> 01:15:24.359
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1116
01:15:24.439 --> 01:15:26.319
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1117
01:15:26.399 --> 01:15:28.640
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1118
01:15:28.800 --> 01:15:31.039
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1119
01:15:31.239 --> 01:15:33.279
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1120
01:15:33.319 --> 01:15:36.039
to our website at bookitos dot com and fill out

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the contact form. If you want to support the podcast,

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you can join our Patreon where we send exclusive stickers,

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have bonus episodes. Eight dollar members get an exclusive keychain.

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It's super cool. I got new ones and these ones

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are huge. And if you want to support but you

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can or don't want to join the Patreon, that's fine too.

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You can also get some merch. You can find sure Sessay,

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Spooky and old English letters. There's a beanie. I love

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the beanie. There's also a hat. There's a no Mamous shirt,

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which is a fan favorite. There's a lot of options,

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crap tops, sweaters. It's almost swetter weather. We're nearing a

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spookie season, so yeah, get your hoodies. You're gonna need them.

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If you don't want to do all that, that's fine too.

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You can just listen like you're listening now, and that's

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the best support that you can give us. Like I

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always say in our ad break and yeah, I feel

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like history. You can follow Estoia's Unknown Mining, Carmen's other podcasts,

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and you can find as Spooky tails on all of

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our socials at a Spooky Tells All. This is in

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the show notes and we appreciate every single listen. Thank

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you so much. Stay as spooky