Mexican True Crime Cases That Inspired Horror Movies

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Hi everyone, This is Christina and
Carmen and this is another episode of a

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Spooky Tale see podcast for All Things
Spooky. Sometimes also true crime like right

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now, in the past several episodes, several weeks. Yeah, what came

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of that poll that you did?
What did the people like? I did

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a poll on Instagram to ask what
people thought of this new format, the

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one paranormal case and one true crime
case. And yeah, at first it

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was fifty to fifteen. I was
like, this is not helpful. It

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was yeah, exactly fifty to fifty, and then it widened the gap.

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But in the end more people love
true crimes and parormal case. Okay,

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I will say, if you don't
like the true crime portion, just skip

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that part, you know, just
yeah, yeah, it's okay, you're

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allowed to. Sometimes it's difficult to
find a paramal case that's long enough,

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like one long case. So that's
why once in a while we'll throw in

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another, like a true crime case, because yeah, we're running out,

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you know, long cases. What
about the folklore? Is that all covered?

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Is it done now? No?
We can always find more in different

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cities or countries. There's never there's
always more stories that we haven't done.

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I just haven't been in super super
research mode. I guess I don't know.

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Okay, that's what I missed.
Yeah, you know what, we'll

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do that, we'll do that.
Let us know what country you want us

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to focus on the folk or of
that country that we haven't done. You

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know, we've done a lot of
us, a lot of Mexico. We've

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done some South South American countries.
Where was the hat guy from the hat

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Guy? Oh Guatemala? Ahah,
Yeah, that was Guatemala. But I'm

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sure there's places we haven't done.
So yeah, let us know. Obviously

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we'll look for something to but yeah, there's definitely folklore out there that we

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haven't done, and yeah, it's
been a while since we've focused on that.

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Those are always fun. Even individual
Mexican cities will have a bunch of

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stories. So like you know how
we did Guadalajara. Oh yeah, that

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was fun. Yeah. Yeah,
so maybe we'll do that next episode,

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you know what, not, maybe
let's do it. Actually, we might

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already have a topic soon, just
soon for next episode. Yeah, no,

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no, scratch that. I will
put the folklore first and then we'll

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do the cult because you know what, it's been a lot of back to

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Extra Crime. I do like cults
though, so I know me too.

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I love them. It sounds bad, I love learning about them. There,

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thank you, Yeah, I do, I do. Before we get

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to today's topic, I guess I
should let everyone out. Today we are

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talking about Latin American cases that inspired
horror movies, and we have one story

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from La Manoplua. But before we
get into that, we do have a

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listener story. And if you have
a story that you want to send into

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the podcast, you can email Speaky
Tales at gmail dot com. You can

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say they're no discord. We have
a new discord link that actually works,

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so you should be able to click
on the show notes that it'll take you

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there. And that's one option.
You can always dm me Spoaky Tales.

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I'm the one who runs all the
social media, so it'll be me you

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talk to, so you can dm
us me whatever on Instagram. Yeah,

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all of those are options. Okay, So now I have this listener story.

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Are you ready? I'm ready?
All right? So I don't know

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if they want her to stay anonymous, I will keep them anonymous. And

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I'm also pretty sure I haven't read
it. Okay, I was five months

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pregnant with my son at nineteen years
old and lived in a little two bedroom

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apartment with my then fiance. We
had just gotten a kitten we named the

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Zodiac. I always felt watched in
that apartment. One night, I was

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getting up to go to the bathroom
for the fiftieth time, because that's the

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choice of pregnancy through that. It
was probably around two am. The master

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bedroom was in the top left of
the room, and I slept in the

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bed basically the bottom right of the
master bedroom. Okay, we'll get in

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a little layout here. That always
helps paint the picture doesn't help me because

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I have no concept of You're right, I don't know. I don't either.

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For those who can imagine this,
I'm sure it helps. Hopefully you

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pictured it. I didn't. I
couldn't. I tried, but I couldn't.

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On my way back to my side
of the bed, I heard deep,

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weird growling. It terrified me.
I was staring at the direction for

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a minute, and there was nothing. I ran and jumped in bed the

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end corner of my side of the
bed, sunk down just a bit.

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Oh God, now that I understood, Yeah right, I screamed and woke

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up My then fiance. Now ex
husband. He said it was probably Zodiac.

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The problem was that Zodiac had been
sleeping by my pillow the entire time.

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Then he said it was probably just
me having a realistic dream. I

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doubt myself all the time, but
I remember the fear I had, and

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the growl towards me, and then
the pressure on the bed. I had

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never saved the place so much in
my life, and said any prayer I

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could find on expelling evil presences.
I don't know what happened that night,

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but it never happened again. Besides
still having the feeling of being watched in

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that bedroom. It was such a
creepy feeling. I slept with the bathroom

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light on for the remaining four months
I lived there. I wish I had

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got to get a priest involved,
but I was not. Nineteen and an

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abusive relationship. Lots of issues in
my life. If anyone has thoughts,

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I'm always open to them. My
first thought was a hellhound. I never

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really know what I believe in though, Wow, I have no thoughts.

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Just scary, just how scary?
Yeah that's your only thought? Yeah,

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I would. I mean the growling
definitely makes me think something more, something

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worse than a ghost, Like,
what sinister? Yeah, I'm sinister,

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thank you. I was like,
what is a word? I'm looking for

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something evil because I'm like, a
ghost is already scary, but growling no,

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yeah, and they're not really known
for growling, so that was something

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else. Yeah, but you know
what, glad you're out of that situation

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and away from that apartment. Yeah, that's scary for sure, for sure.

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And yeah, and thanks for sending
that in. All right, do

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you want to kick our episode off
now, Carmen? After you were done

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yawning? Am I borring? You
know? No, I'm just I was

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so excited watching the Usher performance and
now I'm tired. When it came out

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on skates, oh my god,
I was like, oh no, Usher,

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please don't fall. He's a pro. Apparently I didn't know this.

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Yeah. I started seeing his skating
videos during the pandemic on like twenty twenty.

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You know how everyone was skating.
Oh I did? I had no

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idea. Wow, yeah that's cool. Sometimes I want to start skating,

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but I'm like, no, never
mind, I I cannot. I was

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telling my husband I was like,
I wish I could skate like that,

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and he just laughed, damn.
And I was like, you should skate

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like that, because you know how
the guy either one or like a couple

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guys slid on their heads like the
break Nazi move, but on skates.

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Yeah. Yeah, I saw that. I was like, wow, okay,

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okay, onto our case. Enough
about Usher, just one more thing.

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I loved all of it. I'm
never gonna shut up about Usher.

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Every time one of his guests came
out, I was like screaming. He

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was our first CD. He was
my first crush, my first everything.

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Yeah. Our only poster in our
shared room was Usher, Yeah, from

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Confessions. So yeah, of course
we were over the moon about this performance.

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But no, when, yeah,
when everyone started came and I was

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like, oh my god, it's
little John and I was like, oh

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my god, it's ludicrous, Like
yeah, yeah, it was amazing,

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the highlight of today, my year
so far, I think, yeah,

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yeah, it was. It was
amazing. Okay, now I think I

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got enough fund of it, or
enough you got it out of your system?

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Yeah for now? Yeah, Okay, on with this paranormal case.

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All right, So you and MJ
have talked about nowalas before, but just

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in case anyone needs a reminder,
a nowle is a shape shifting sorcerer,

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a brujo who gained the ability to
do this, to shape shift by doing

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something truly evil or by making a
pact with the devil. Of course,

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before colonization, they were not inherently
evil. It was a shaman that had

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this ability, and they were usually
protectors of nature and animals when they were

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beings that kept the balance of the
world safe. But now they're evil and

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they're to be feared Nowile's stories are
mostly heard in Mexico, though almost every

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culture has a similar belief. Are
they called Newalas everywhere else too? Or

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do do you know what they're called
like in other places here in the US?

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I would say they're like those things
that must not be named that shape

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shift, and there's like a ranch
about them. I'm sure you know.

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I don't remember if it was one
of your episodes or I was listening to

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two Girls one ghosts and everyone kept
saying that, and I also, what

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the fuck is that? It took
me forever to figure out what it was,

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so I don't think everyone knows.
Oh yeah, well, I don't

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want to say it. It's a
skinwalker, right, yes, okay,

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what you said? It up me? It's Okay, I don't believe in

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most of this, so okay,
well, I hope you don't get haunted

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because okay, let me take a
pause from this story. Well, lying

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gonna scare me, Yes, I
am. There's one similar story that's not

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in Awa, but it's in Chiapas, I want to say, the Chiapas

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region. It's the Oh my god, the White Chivo. Oh. I

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remember that, And it's a similar, similar, very similar story. And

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I repeat the story all the time
because I need to warn people. Okay,

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I would just yeah, I apologize
to the world right now and the

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universe and whatever, just in case. I am just kidding, but go

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on, just sorry, I will. So the Whitchivo is a very similar

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like a brujo sorcerer that shape shifts
into a half animal half man type creature,

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and they're like said to be very
evil. There's even like a saying

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in you know this region of Mexico
where they're like, don't go out after

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midnight because the white Chivo wanders this
area. And when MG and I were

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both writing our notes about this,
she kept hearing knocking on her apartment window.

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She was like on the third floor
at this time. I remember that

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I mean, come on, how
do you explain that? And then like

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some of her books would fall over, and then her kids kept having nightmares,

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and like I wasn't experiencing anything like
that. But on the day before

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we recorded, when I finished all
my notes, I went to sleep,

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and like you know, Carmen,
I barely remember my dreams most of the

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time. I'm sure I have them, but I don't remember them, and

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I don't have a good dream.
That night, I had the one of

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the worst dreams ever. I dreamed
that someone broke into our house and then

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Kyle, my husband, couldn't like
get to the where we keep our gun

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fast enough, and then like he
was killed in front of me. And

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then I woke up right before I
was killed in my dream. But then

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I also, like I think I
did a TikTok video about this later about

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the same thing. And then I
had another dream, and again it was

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a very vivid dream. It was
very similar, like someone broke into our

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house and we were gonna get shot. But then before that happened, there

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was like this like nefarious deep voice
that like laughed and then said, oh

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haha, you've opened like the window. That's scary, and we can like

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talk to you now, and it
wasn't Spanish, which is worse. Yeah,

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everything's worse in Spanish. Well,
sometimes it's better like songs. Yeah,

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not when there's a deep growling voice
in your fucking dream. Okay,

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yeah, well, okay, I
just wanted to say it in case there

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was people that don't know what it
is, because I once was listening to

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either you or two girls goes and
I said, what the fuck are they

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talking about? So just in case, yeah, just in case. Anyway,

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just I don't know, be careful
when looking these things up because if

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you don't believe, like I don't
believe in that, and I was horrified.

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So I don't say it anymore because
I don't know if they're the same

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thing. I don't know if nowales
why she was and like you know the

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word we're not going to say are
the same, but they're very similar.

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And yeah, one gave me a
nightmare and attacked me in my dreams,

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so gotcha? Gotcha? Well,
fingers crossed, let's do a little bit.

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Okay, Well or was I the
beginning? After you said what?

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Nowal was right? So now they're
evil? And okay, yeah, because

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I asked you what they're called in
other cultures. So that's where I was

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at. That's what happened. Yeah, this is from a Mano Pelula case

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titled Noales from La Cistoia's Maso cultas
l Manouda on Spotify. Fortunately, the

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name of the caller or the date
of the original call or not shared,

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So we're just going to give the
caller a name. We're gonna call this

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color Jose. So Jose tells Juanda
One signs that his neighbor Maria Elena,

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told him and his mom that nawilis
passed by the street. Around three am,

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they heard oink noises like from pigs, and Maria Elena had put out

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mustard seeds in her yard. Was
it to feed the pigs, Yeah,

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to like prove that they were going
into her yard or walking by the street.

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Oh okay, I see, I
see. And then they heard nothing.

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Then around five am they saw a
man and a woman leaving Marie Elena's

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yard. Okay, that's creepy,
So now I see what you're So they

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saw pigs coming and then they saw
people leaving. Yes, and nothing in

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between. We can assume the pigs
were the man and the woman. Yes,

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okay, no one had entered,
just the pics from earlier. And

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then the next night the same thing
happened, but this time Marielena didn't put

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the seeds out. The pigs entered
the yard and they left. And then

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the night after that it happened again. And Jose saw this when he was

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ten. At the time of the
call, he was like forty something,

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so this cemented in his mind that
Nowalas were real. But this wouldn't be

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his only encounter with Nowalez. When
he was a little older, he was

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told this story. His mom's side
of the family had a small finca where

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they harvested coffee. All of his
uncles and Aunta worked on the farm except

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when theo Raoul was an alcoholic.
He gambled and he didn't help the family

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at all. Who doesn't have a
t L you know. Yeah, there's

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always the Theoud in the family.
For some reason, there was a Brujo

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in the neighborhood that hated the family
in the Leger Bruco, but especially Raul.

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Maybe he stole his money, I
don't know. One night, Raoul

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was walking it was late and no
one else was out. He heard some

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hissing and saw a snake coming toward
him. But the weirdest part is that

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the snake was standing up straight.
Okay, I'm picturing a Harry Potter and

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sorry, I am being a millenia
right now. So the snake was standing

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up straight coming at him, and
I Will grabbed his pistol and fired at

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the snake, and he missed the
first few times, but eventually he hit

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the snake on the face. And
when that happened, the snake turned into

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a rat and scurried away. I'm
sorry, another Harry Potter image. Wow,

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do you need to stop? No? But okay, does that not

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make you think of what's his name? Okay? Yeah, Peter Pettigrew.

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You're right, wow, and you
you remember his name, not me.

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I'm sorry, the characters are ingrained
in my brain so very Peter Pettigrew like

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scared away. So the next morning
I told his mom what happened. She

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said, I bet it was that
bruquo and they walked from their dan over

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to town. When they got there, they asked for the bruco and someone

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told them, oh, didn't you
hear he got home late last night and

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he was bleeding from his face.
Ew ew and the person said that they

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tried to help him, but he
died. And they're like, oh,

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see him. His body's still in
the house. The corner hasn't made it

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over yet, so you beat the
corner. And so Raoul and his mom

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went to go look, and yeah, the man was still and no longer

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alleged Bruquoa. At this point,
the full confirmed capital C confirmed Bruquo was

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still in the house, and yeah, that was a Bruquo in a while,

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and this man was the snake that
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Oh yeah, although it'd be really
cool to turn into an animal,

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I will say I agree. Yeah, when animal would you choose? You

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know, when they asked you this
as icebreakers, Yeah, what did you

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always say? A dog? I
think I did, okay, because that's

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what I said. Yeah, I
mean, why wouldn't I want to be

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a dog? I remember in some
interviews, like retail jobs, they ask

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you this sometimes, and I was
like, looking up interview questions, They're

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like, never say dog. Everyone
says dog. And I was like,

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but I legitimately that's what I want
to be. I want to be a

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dog, but not only I want
to be a dog in a rich family

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that's well taken care of. I
want to be that dog. Yeah,

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me too. Whatever. I never
changed my answer that it was always a

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dog because I'm like, I don't
want to be a wolf. I don't

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want to go out and hunt for
my food. I want to be a

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dog where I'm walked every day.
I want to be taken care of.

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Yeah, where I'm fed, I'm
giving treats, I'm petted. I get

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to sleep in the bed. Yeah, on the couch, every couch,

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get little outfits, go out every
day, maybe twice a day, for

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real, that's the life. Someone
throws up my water bowl. I don't

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have to fill up my water bowl. Yeah, I don't have to do

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anything except wag my tail and relax. That's what I would do, hands

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down. I would be a dog. I wouldn't even turn back into my

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human form, honestly, Yeah,
I think that I would only like,

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like, if I wanted a new
family, then I would like turn into

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a human leave and then I would
find a new family. But if I'm

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being well taken care of, there's
no reason for a new family either.

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So I would just stay a dog
forever. Yeah, unless I needed to

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fly. Then I could just turn
to a bird, and then I would

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go somewhere else, and then I
think that dog I was missing, but

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then I had to come back.
Okay, this has gone far enough.

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Okay, we're back, Carmen.
Sorry matter, stupid story icking snort it

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but what you maybe do? Okay, well no, but that was really

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creepy that the nawil like our stupidness. Aside, I was talking about being

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a dog so much I forgot about
that story. You know what we needed

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that? We needed that because that's
truly creepy. Okay, So yeah,

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Latin American cases that inspired horror movies
which I have no idea so the first

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one and I have not seen this
movie either, but the movie Borderland a

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Frontera was released March two thousand and
seven. It stars Brian Presley. Writer

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Strong, Betto Cuevas, and Marta
Igarida. I don't know these people.

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Were you gonna look them up?
Oh? Writer Strong, I think he

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looks familiar. I think I've seen
him writers Strong, writer from Boy Meets

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World. Oh, no, wonder
he looks familiar. I never watched Boy

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Meets World. Actually, me and
me neither. I've only seen like clips

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here or there. I know who
they are, but yeah, I've never

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seen it. I think he's the
only one I know. Yeah, I

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want to say that is the only
person that I know for sure. I

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did see apparently Sean Aston is in
the movie Sean Austin. Yeah, he's

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from the Goonies and he's also and
then god, what is that movie Lord

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of the Rings. He's in Lord
of the Rings. I think is any

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like Frodo or some shit. I
don't know anything about Lord of the Rings.

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I don't know another movie I haven't
seen. No one come for me.

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I refuse to watch them. It's
just too late. Now. I

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feel the same way about Game of
Thrones, like it's too late, the

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moment has passed. Yeah, I'm
never watching it anyway. So that's the

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cast of the movie Borderland. So
the movie is about three college graduates who

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were in Galveston, Texas and joined
the Beach. Then they decided that wasn't

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fun enough, and they're like,
we're gonna go to downtown Mexico and that's

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where the real party is going to
be at. Yes, so yeah,

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that's gonna be more fun and then
they can do more illegal things over there.

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I guess is what they said.
Their words, not mine. This

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does not go well and what are
the main characters? Phil falls in love

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with a barely legal sex worker,
problematic and she has a child, And

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there's seen in the movie where Phil
walks away from his friends and he goes

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to buy a Teddy Bear for the
child, and instead he gets kidnapped by

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the cartel. As things tend to
happen, you know. The next morning,

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two of the friends and the friend
group realized that Phil was missing,

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and they investigate his whereabouts. And
we're not going to spoil the movie for

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anyone who hasn't watched it. I'm
not gonna watch it, but yeah,

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neither. It's revealed that Phil was
abducted by a drug dealing cult that practices

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in an ancient African diaspor religion called
Palo Mayomb which is confused with Santa Riola,

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which also is very This is like
a fake, perverse version of Palo

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Mayombe, I will also add,
and he was being held captive with a

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cult plan to make feel a human
sacrifice for their nyanga, which is an

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iron cauldron that is inhabited by spirits
and it makes wishes come true. And

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again that's like a twisted version of
it. Really, it's like a ritual

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for luck or whatever, not to
make wishes come true, like it's like

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any prayer. Really. So the
cult hope that by sacrificing Phil, the

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spirits in the nyanga would make sure
that their drug deals, that their drugs

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would make it into the US without
being detected by border police. I think

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I know the cases is based on
I think you do. I think you

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do, because now we're going to
get into that case. And when Dawn

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was telling me about it, I
was like, oh wait, I think

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I know this case. Yeah,
yeah, So now onto the case that

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inspired the movie. Adolfo the Hissou's
Constenso was born in Miami, Florida to

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Cuban parents. His mother immigrated from
Cuba and then had him when she was

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fifteen then they moved to Puerto Rico. This was after the death of his

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father and he was raised in a
Catholic household, but his mom took him

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to Haiti a lot because she was
learning about voodoo apparently interesting. Yeah,

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So then they moved back from Puerto
Rico to Miami, and then he started

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helping a local practitioner of Palo Mayombe
and that's who introduced him to that religion.

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And like I said a little earlier, Bayo Malombe and Santa Ria,

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they're confused a lot, but they're
not thing. They're a West African derived

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religion with components of Catholicism. Both
involved the ritual use of non human skeletal

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remains. Keyword there, yeah,
keyword non human. Yes. Also,

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some people like all religions, which
way it feels like I'm like over justifying

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this or whatever or explaining, but
like every religion has good and bad people,

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right, So there's some people that
are practitioners of Palomayombe that do use

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human skeletal remains to place in that
you know iron cauldron that we mentioned earlier,

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But that's not the norm. The
norm is non human skeletal remains.

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This religion. It's nature based and
again not always evil, even though you

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know vuruo Ism, santeria palomayombe.
They're always depicted as like evil and they're

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usually like in TV shows and movies, right something evil. So again they're

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not always evil. I just I
just need to say that again. Okay,

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back to got married again after his
stepfather died. Everyone is just dying

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around this woman could be heard.
I don't know. Maybe so his stepfather

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died and her new husband was another
practitioner. I don't know another person that

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practiced Balo mayombe and he was also
a drug dealer. Okay, okay,

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So the neighbors often complained of dead
animals being left at their door after they

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argued with like either his stepfather or
his mom. Okay, that's a little

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scary. So it's a little threatening. Yeah, that's a little yeah,

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I would be scared. One could
interpren that as a threat. Yeah,

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for sure. The floors of their
apartment was also covered in blood and feces.

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At some point, his mom was
arrested for having twenty seven animals in

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their small apartment. So not the
healthiest, one could say. Yeah.

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In nineteen eighty four, Adolfo moved
to Mexico City and this is where he

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began his cult and he gained his
first two followers here, set up a

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spell casting business and he became popular
with the local drug dealers. That's interesting,

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yeah, and hitmen and corrupt policemen. That was his client base.

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These corupt policemen connected adultful to Rich
Cartel's who. They were like, you

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know what, you can use his
spells. They're going to bring you good

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luck in your drug deals. So
they connected, they were networking. His

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initial initial ritual sacrifices included chickens,
goat, snakes, and exotic animals like

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zebras and lions. I don't like
that. Zebra's and lions. Yeah,

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no, these animals have been through
enough. I know. I agree.

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Then his group, his Cult to
Whatever, started to grave rob so they

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could use human remains in their sacrifices
and they believe this would make their spells

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stronger. But somehow this wasn't enough, and they took it a step further

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and began to sacrifice humans. So
they were no longer using people that were

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already dead, they were killing them. Well escalated, Oh yeah, I

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did. Around this time, Adolfo
met Sara Maria Aldrete Villareal, and she

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was connected to the Hernandez Brothers cartel. Sara was born in nineteen sixty four.

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She grew up in a middle class
family in Mata Moros, Tamaulipas,

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Mexico. She attended high school in
college in Brownsville, Texas, and then

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she introduced Adolfo to Elio. He
was the leader of the Hernandez Brothers cartel,

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and he believed that Adolfo's rituals were
the reason that his cartel was doing

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good. They were, I don't
know, getting more money, more drugs

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into the US, whatever, they
were succeeding their business. Things were going

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well, yeah, for his cartel. And so this is when Adolfo became

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part of the cartel and the cartel
became central to his cult. They became

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one one the same, I guess
yeah. And so he became what they

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called their high priest or Padrino,
and Sara became high priestess or Madrina.

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In total, maybe around twenty victims
were sacrificed by the cult, most of

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them were Mexican. Until they abducted
and murdered American student Mark Kilroy in nineteen

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eighty nine, and this is when
it really mattered because he was an America.

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Yeah, it didn't matter before before
that, no, really non issue.

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Yeah uh huh. Everyone they had
sacrificed went unnoticed. So Mark Kilroy

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was a pre med student. He
was having a super fun spring break with

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00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:33.240
three of his friends. They planned
to spend their days partying at the beach,

404
00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:37.680
bar hopping, and then going south
of the border during the night.

405
00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:42.119
And Mark Kilroy was taking one night
while he stood outside of a bar in

406
00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:48.480
Matamos, and he was taken to
Rancho Santa Elena. And this is where

407
00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:52.599
Adolfo and his colts carried out most
of their ritualistic murders and where they stored

408
00:27:52.599 --> 00:27:57.440
their drugs. Mark's abduction would have
gotten noticed like the rest of the colt

409
00:27:57.559 --> 00:28:03.519
sacrifices if he weren't into American and
if it weren't for his uncle, because

410
00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:07.680
his uncle was a special agent with
US Customs. He was like active in

411
00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:12.519
the disappearance. He reported him missing, and he was really active in like

412
00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:18.839
trying to figure out what happened.
Mexican authorities were being pressured by Texas politicians

413
00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:22.559
in Texas who urged them to locate
Mark. Again. It wouldn't have mattered

414
00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:26.160
to them, hmm. But because
Mark was white and American and had these

415
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:30.039
connections, it didn't matter. And
obviously all these killings are wrong from the

416
00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:36.599
beginning, but that's when it became
a national issue. Mexican police uncovered Mark's

417
00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:41.640
body at the ranch. They also
found the cult Nyanga that cauldron and in

418
00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:45.680
the cauldron, and they found a
dead black cat, a human brain,

419
00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:51.039
and other items yanks. Altogether,
there were fifteen bodies found at the ranch,

420
00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:56.400
and the officials say that the group, the cult and whatever the cartel

421
00:28:56.440 --> 00:29:00.400
abducted Mark because they needed a superior
brain for one of their rituals. So

422
00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:03.720
they needed his because he was like
a med student. He was like smarter

423
00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:08.200
than their other Mexican victims. Mark
was killed with the machete when he tried

424
00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:12.519
to escape, and that is what
that movie is based on. Yikes.

425
00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:17.720
Yeah, yeah, terrible, but
they were caught and everything. Oh yeah,

426
00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:22.440
okay, So the second case this
movie, and I'm sure everyone knows

427
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:25.920
this movie, but I haven't seen
it. Silence of the Lambs. I

428
00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:27.640
haven't seen it either. You haven't
seen it either, No, Yeah,

429
00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:33.000
I'm not surprised. But it was
released January nineteen eighty one. It stars

430
00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:38.160
Anthony Hopkins and Jody Foster. And
yeah, again, almost everyone knows the

431
00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:41.880
movie exists, but like, we've
never seen it. I did not know

432
00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:47.720
it was inspired by a Mexican true
crime case, though that I had no

433
00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:52.240
idea about me neither, So yeah, let's get into it. It centered

434
00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:56.160
around Jodi Foster's character, Clarice Starling. She's a young FBI trainee and she's

435
00:29:56.240 --> 00:30:00.480
hunting a serial killer named Buffalo Bill. And and in the movie, Clarice

436
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:07.680
turned to a prisoner and former psychiatrist, doctor Hannibal Lecter for his help to

437
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:14.079
find Buffalo Bill because he himself is
a brilliant psychiatrist and a cannibalistic serial killer.

438
00:30:14.279 --> 00:30:18.799
Okay, I don't think I knew
that he was also a psychiatrist.

439
00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:21.599
I thought he was just a serial
killer. Oh I didn't know that.

440
00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:26.279
Yeah. Yeah, he's supposed to
be the super smart sociopath and he's like

441
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:29.519
messing with her the whole time,
and it's like this battle of the I

442
00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:33.519
don't know, intelex or whatever typical. Honestly, it sounds like a movie

443
00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:36.440
that we should like. I just
have never seen it. Yeah, maybe

444
00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:38.880
I should watch it. There's a
show too. M m m hmmm.

445
00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:44.720
They also haven't watched the movie and
the character of Hannibal Lecter It was inspired

446
00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:52.240
by a Mexican doctor named Alfredo Bali
Trevigno, and he was a former surgeon

447
00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:56.240
from an upper class family in Monterrey, Mexico. He was also the last

448
00:30:56.480 --> 00:31:00.839
criminal to have been sentenced to death
in Mexico Go. He is suspected of

449
00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:07.160
killing and is membering several hitchhikers between
the nineteen fifties and nineteen sixties, but

450
00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:11.319
this was never proven. The thing
he was actually caught for was killing his

451
00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:18.279
colleague and former boyfriend, Hesus Castillo
Rangjell during an argument. Oh an x

452
00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:22.759
and a colleague. Mm hmm yeah, durrama. Well obviously horrible, actual

453
00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:30.440
horrible tragy. Yeah, no,
for sure. According to court documents,

454
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:33.920
Alfredo went to visit Hesus, who
was also a doctor, hence the colleague,

455
00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:37.279
and so alfreda went to visit him
because he was collecting some money that

456
00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:42.839
Hesus was going to let him borrow
because was going through some financial troubles.

457
00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:47.920
But when Hassus gave him the money, it was a lot less than Alfredo

458
00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:51.640
was expecting, and when he demanded
more. Hesus refused, and so then

459
00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:56.319
he killed him. He took a
scapel to Hesus's throat and then that didn't

460
00:31:56.359 --> 00:32:00.799
immediately kill him. So then Alfredo
drags him to the back room and this

461
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:04.759
is where he finished killing him.
I'm not gonna share the details. So

462
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:12.319
then he called Hesus's former driver and
friend, Francisco Real, for help getting

463
00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:16.519
rid of the body of Hesus.
This was Hesu's former friend and driver.

464
00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:20.880
Yes, so like, what a
fucking friend, right? Wow? Yeah,

465
00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:25.960
I would never help bury my friend's
body if my friend's boyfriend, who

466
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:30.640
I already didn't like for reasons unknown, because you felt the vibes. That's

467
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:35.720
why you knew the vibes were off
from the beginning for sure, called me

468
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:37.480
and said, hey, help me
bury friend. I'm like, no,

469
00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:42.359
what the fuck, I'm calling the
police. I'm like, tell me where

470
00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:44.720
you are. I'll be right there, and then on my second phone,

471
00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:49.640
nine one one, bitch. Seriously, that's what Francisco should have done,

472
00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:52.480
but he didn't do that. They
went over to his uncle's house and borrowed

473
00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:58.640
a shovel. God, and then
when they left with the shovel, the

474
00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:01.039
uncle Gula Lupe. Yeah, was
like, something's wrong, and he was

475
00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:06.799
the one who contacted police officers.
Okay, but they had dismembered and buried

476
00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:10.839
Jesus. Well, thank you for
Lupe. Yeah, seriously. And so

477
00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:17.920
Judge Marco Antonio Leja Moreno sentenced Alfredo
to death. But at this time the

478
00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:22.000
laws in Mexico were changing and they
were doing a way with the death sentence,

479
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:29.720
so Alfredo was charged with twenty years
to life instead. Okay. So

480
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:34.240
then in the nineteen sixties, Thomas
Harris, and he is the author of

481
00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:37.079
the book that inspired the Silence of
the Lambs. Maybe I should read that.

482
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:39.279
Yeah, I don't know. I
don't know what the book is like,

483
00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:43.000
I've never read it. I think
it's called Red Dragon and it's a

484
00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:45.599
series. Oh you know what I
heard, the first book was good and

485
00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:51.559
then afterwards he started doing too much
and that it wasn't good. I think

486
00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:53.960
that's what I heard. Okay.
So he's the author and at the time

487
00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:58.079
in the nineteen sixties, he was
a young reporter and he was assigned to

488
00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:02.000
interview a mental patient at the Novo
Leon Stay prison for the magazine he worked

489
00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:07.200
for. And this presence in Monterrey, he was supposed to go interview a

490
00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:13.400
mental patient that was there by the
name of Dike's Askew Simmons and Dike Ascue.

491
00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:19.039
Simmons had killed three children, but
during the scheduled session to interview Dike's,

492
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:22.320
Dikes tried to escape. Dikes was
shot by a guard while he was

493
00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:27.039
trying to escape, and then a
man came in and helped save Dikes's life

494
00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:31.480
and he introduced himself as a doctor
to Thomas Harris. And so then Thomas

495
00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:35.320
Harris was like, well, I
guess I'll interview him, because like I

496
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:37.760
need to interview someone. I'm already
here. I'm not gonna want to lose

497
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:43.360
this assignment. He interviewed the doctor. They talked about how the doctor treated

498
00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:46.639
the gunshot wounds stopped bleeding, how
we saved Diyke's life right, And then

499
00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:52.159
the interview took kind of a dark
turn that left the bad taste in Thomas

500
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:58.719
Harris's mouth because the doctor was like
starting he started to ask about Dike's victims,

501
00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:01.039
like like, oh, he had
he killed children, right, and

502
00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:07.000
then he was like wanting details and
like almost like he was savoring the details,

503
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:10.159
enjoying the details of the crime.
So Thomas, yeah, very ill.

504
00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:15.039
Thomas entered the interview and then he
was walked out by the prison warden.

505
00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:19.480
He was like, the vibes are
off. Yeah. When Thomas was

506
00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.679
walking out with the prison warden,
he asked the prison warden how long the

507
00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:28.119
doctor had been working there. That
he seemed a little strange, but overall

508
00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:30.199
he was like, well, he
saved someone's lives, so he must be

509
00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:32.719
good. And I mean he's working
here right then the warning was like,

510
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:38.039
ore, don't you know who that
is? That doctor is a murderer.

511
00:35:38.239 --> 00:36:00.480
Waits STUPIDO says man So matala wait, way is that the terrible That's basically

512
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:04.320
what he said. So he said
that doctor is a murderer. As a

513
00:36:04.360 --> 00:36:07.960
surgeon, he would pack up his
victim in a small box. Oh my

514
00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:12.559
god. And so he's like he's
never leaving this place. He's insane.

515
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:15.880
I'm sorry, I'm still laughing.
Just imagine You're like, oh, but

516
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:19.360
he has to be a good person. If he helped that guy, blah

517
00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:24.320
blah, dude, he's a killer. I would have thrown up, like

518
00:36:24.440 --> 00:36:29.639
and it's just what a thing to
go through. So naturally, Thomas Harris

519
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:31.679
was like what the hell, Like, what are you serious? Because he

520
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:37.320
the doctor was charming until he then
started wanting a little to being weird.

521
00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:42.960
Yeah, but still he like fooled
this journalist and he was like, what

522
00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:50.320
the I'm I'm scared. I am
bamboozled and afraid. Bamboozled and afraid new

523
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:55.519
sticker. So just like Hannibal Lecter, Afrello was known in prison for being

524
00:36:55.960 --> 00:37:00.119
very charming, well mannered, and
having impeccable tape psych At this time,

525
00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:05.320
it was a mental institution, so
there wasn't uniforms. He wore light colored

526
00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:09.159
suits, shades, He had expensive
watches like he dressed to fancy. He

527
00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:15.679
spoke very intelligently. No wonder he
thought he'd worked there. Yeah, one

528
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:17.920
hundred percent. It reminds me sorry
to bring a Bones again. But there's

529
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:22.719
an episode of Bones where they go
into an institution like this, and you

530
00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:27.519
know, Bones is always like talking
shit about psychology, and so she's in

531
00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:30.920
this hospital talking about psychology like like
she tends to do, and there's like

532
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:35.840
a crisis going on, and so
the actual doctor that works at that place

533
00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:38.599
and Booth got to help that patient
that's having a problem, and she stays

534
00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:44.960
behind, and then another psychiatrist walks
up to her and they have the smartest

535
00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:50.079
conversation. She's like, Wow,
I should rethink my judgment of the psychiat

536
00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:52.159
tree Field. And then the other
psychiatrist comes. He's like, oh you

537
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:58.239
met patient blah blah blah, and
she's like what. It's literally that situation,

538
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:01.440
Yeah, yeah, only worse because
it was real. Yeah, and

539
00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:06.719
it shook his core. Thomas Harris
shook his core so much that he was

540
00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:12.239
inspired to create the character of Hannibal
Lecter based on his meeting with this doctor

541
00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:15.480
and yeah, I get it the
similarities. He also based the whole This

542
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:20.280
doctor was not accused of being accountable, but he did. He was accused

543
00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:23.039
of cutting people in small pieces and
putting them in boxes, and he took

544
00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:30.599
that directly into the movie, like
horrifying stuff. So the doctor he Alfredo.

545
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:35.000
He did leave prison in the nineteen
eighties because they had a twenty year

546
00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:37.440
sentence. It wasn't like that was
a maximum. It wasn't like he was

547
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:40.400
in there for life. So he
got out and he was an old man

548
00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:44.840
at this point in a wheelchair,
he couldn't walk anymore, and Thomas Harris

549
00:38:44.920 --> 00:38:49.760
visited him again and he wanted to
talk about the crimes that were tied to

550
00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:52.440
him, the killing of all these
hitchhikers that was never proven. It was

551
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:55.400
just like he might have done it, but we don't have evidence. And

552
00:38:55.880 --> 00:39:00.519
Alfredo told him, like, if
you want, we can talk about anything

553
00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:04.119
you'd like, except for that.
I don't want to relive my dark past.

554
00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:06.760
I don't want to wake up my
ghosts. It's very hard. That

555
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:09.440
pass is heavy, and the truth
is that the angst I have isn'tbearable.

556
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:14.719
I can't live with it. And
he told Thomas, like, I paid

557
00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:17.400
for what I did. Now my
only purpose is to help others. And

558
00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:22.480
he in his wheelchair was treating patients
for almost no mony in this like low

559
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:27.960
income neighborhood, and his only goal
was to never stop working and then he

560
00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:30.760
wanted to walk again. He died
of prostate cancer in the beginning of two

561
00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:36.119
thousand and nine, and he was
still never tried or convicted for the other

562
00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:38.360
murders that were tied to him.
But yeah, that is the case.

563
00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:42.800
I guess he was your rehabilitated.
Yeah, I think so. Also,

564
00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:45.599
my camera's going to be offering this
portion my child sitting with me. That's

565
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:49.000
who I'm waving at. Yeah,
that is who Carmen is waving out.

566
00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:52.679
Yeah, I mean he must have
felt, you know, remorseful and hopefully

567
00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:58.480
he didn't continue killing during this time. But yeah, horrifying that he inspired

568
00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:02.199
this terrible, very creepy character.
Yeah, very creepy. And I guess

569
00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:10.800
this brings us to the end of
the episode that it does any do you

570
00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:15.199
have any spooky recommendations? Oh,
I'm just gonna ask you. I actually

571
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:21.000
I do. I it's more of
don't give them the MiG now true crime

572
00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:28.239
as in the survivor of a crime
type media recommendation. I've been reading My

573
00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:32.639
Name by Chanelle Miller. I believe
that's her last name. Who is the

574
00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:39.920
survivor of the assault committed by Brock
Turner. We all know who that is.

575
00:40:40.039 --> 00:40:45.079
I'm not done yet. I'm like
in chapter I'm almost done. I

576
00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:46.760
have like two chapters left, I
think, and at the end is the

577
00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:51.360
impact statement that she gave. But
it's such a powerful book. There's nothing

578
00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:54.639
I love more than a good memoir. And to hear survivors tell their stories

579
00:40:54.719 --> 00:41:00.159
like it's amazing, and she writes
so beautifully. It is a heartless and

580
00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:05.039
though like very emotional. Yeah,
I ben it's really it's a really good

581
00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:07.599
book though, I really recommend it. I'll have to check it out for

582
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:09.400
my library. Oh okay, there
goes my light. I'm listening to it

583
00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:14.599
on Spotify. Oh okay, yeah. Oh, but if you do listen

584
00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:16.199
to the audiobook, I know that
you always beat books up. She does

585
00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:19.719
read very slowly, even I spread
it up, and I don't like doing

586
00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:22.280
that. Oh okay, that's good
to know. And it sounds like normal,

587
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:25.199
and I put it in one and
a half and then it sounds normal

588
00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:29.480
to me. But it's almost poetic
and the way that she writes, but

589
00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:30.960
not overly poetic, like I don't
know if I'm explaining that right, but

590
00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:35.320
it's just beautiful, like I want
to buy it just so I could read

591
00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:37.880
it also written, not only listen
to it. Okay, yeah, I'll

592
00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:39.960
have to check it out. I'll
have to check it out. I actually

593
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:44.320
have a speaker recommendation today. Okay, I've been listening to this. I

594
00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:47.599
know not a lot of maybe not
everyone is a fan of audio dramas.

595
00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:50.880
Once in a while, I find
a really good one. You don't like

596
00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:52.239
them, no, no, I
know, I do though. This one

597
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:57.880
is called Agents Stoker, and it's
like think X Files. But the guy

598
00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:00.519
gets drunk a lot as he drinks
a lot. He doesn't actually get drunk

599
00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:02.880
in the audio drama. That would
be weird. I figured it. But

600
00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:08.599
yeah, it's just like a supernatural
thriller. They're investigating like paranormal cases in

601
00:42:08.679 --> 00:42:13.159
this like agency that is like secret. Oh my god, like the show

602
00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:17.079
with what's his name? Oh yeah, there's only like two seasons. Oh

603
00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:21.079
so not funny. Yeah, the
one with the guy from the Office and

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Ben from Yatton rec Yeah, yeah, garyl from the Office. I think

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it's called Ghosted. Yeah, I
think so that was a fun show.

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I'm so mad. There's only two
seasons. That was very fun a very

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fun watch. Less funny, so
really think more like X Files more serious.

608
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Oh okay, but it's got an
amazing cast. Emily Deschanel. Oh,

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another guy who's like a creepyck Like
he plays a creepy guy in Bones

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for like three episodes. He's the
main guy. I honestly thought it was

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Hotch from Criminal Minds. His voice
is very similar. Oh he sounds that

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way. Yeah, and other like
professional voice actors. Maybe I'll check it

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out. I don't know. It
sounds good, it is. I have

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been enjoying it. The episodes are
like twenty ish minutes. They put all

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their ads in the front too,
so that once you skip them, you're

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a good It just continuous. Oh
that's cool. But yeah, it's very

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fun. I'm in the second season. I'm hoping there's gonna be a third

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season. I didn't check when the
second one came out. But oh,

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Tamara Taylor, who's also in Bones, I don't remember. She's Cam in

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Bones the Pathologists. Oh wait,
never mind. As many of you know,

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I've been rewatching. I've been obsessed
with Bones like the past two yea

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you have. I was very excited
when I found this audio drama. It's

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very good. Oh Cam, yes, I sorry, just googled her?

624
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Yeah, oh you looked her up? Yeah yeah, yeah, okay,

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I'll put her image in this part
of the video so that people know.

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But yeah, stellar, stellar sound
design, stellar voice acting. Because I

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think that's some of the things that
puts people off when listening to, especially

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like indie ones, like maybe the
voice acting is not there. That's not

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a thing that me a lot.
So is it like listening to like how

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I when you listen to the to
the book. Because I don't even like

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really listening to fiction books like audio
books. I only like listening to memoirs

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or nonfiction books. But I did
listen to what's that one book? By

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the first one? Yeah, I
listened to that one, and I did

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enjoy listening to that one. Is
it similar to that? Well, yeah,

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you're like listening to a show.
H Okay, yeah, you're it's

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a voice active So it's a good
TV show in your ears. Okay,

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I could check it out. It
sounds interesting. Yeah, I highly recommend

638
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it. It was very fun.
I just finished the second season, so

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I'm hoping there's more episodes. And
that was again Agent Stoker And yeah,

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I guess now this is the end
of the episode. Yeah, all right,

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thanks Carmen for joining me today,
and thanks everyone for listening. And

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I don't know, watch out for
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you. I guess if it's going
like this, yes, and hey,

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