Aug. 9, 2024

Legends From Baja California and the Case of Elizabeth Salgado

Legends From Baja California and the Case of Elizabeth Salgado

La Ahorcadita, El Mechudo. These are legends from Baja California. On today's episode, Carmen shares different legends from Baja California, as well as some history. Cristina talks about Elizabeth Salgado, who went missing after being in Provo, Utah...

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La Ahorcadita, El Mechudo. These are legends from Baja California. On today's episode, Carmen shares different legends from Baja California, as well as some history. Cristina talks about Elizabeth Salgado, who went missing after being in Provo, Utah for only 18 days. Her case is still open.

If anyone has any information regarding Elizabeth Salgado, contact the Utah county sheriff at 801-851-4000 or Jason Jensen, the Salgado family’s private investigator at 801-759-2248

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Hi.

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This is Christina and Carmen and this is another episode

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of a Spooky Tales, the podcast for all things spooky

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Haunted places myths, legends in Latin America, and true crime

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involving Latin America or latinos latinas in the US. I've

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been practicing that. I like that, thank you. Yeah, And

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I mentioned both because we're doing both today. Carmen has

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legends from Baja California, Yes, yes, yeah. And I've got

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a true crime case that I just feel that I

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heard about it and it needs more awareness. It involves

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a Mexican woman who was literally only in the United

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States for eighteen days before she went missing. Oh wow, Yeah,

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Elizabeth Stargado was her name. And before we get into

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both of those things, we have a listener story. And

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finally I went into the Haunted Spooky hot line Haunted hotline.

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I don't call it that. I think I just called

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the Spookie hot line. Yeah, she went into the Haunted archives. Yes,

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it's out of the door. That sounds better. Actually, that's

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what I did. And so we're gonna listen to the

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story today. And I absolutely even though I forget, like

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I neglect the hotlines A lot. I love hearing people

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tell you their story and their own voice. It's fun.

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So there's a few sitting here, so we're going to

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be I'm going to try and do this, you know,

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just remember to delete the ones you've already played before

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all that. If you have a story that you want

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to send into the podcast, you can email a Spooky

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toos at gmail dot com. You can DM us on

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any of the socials. You can submit it on discord.

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You could also record a voice memo and attach a

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yet email. That's one way, or again call the is

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Pooky hotline number in the show notes. And there's also

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a thing on our website that says record a voicemail.

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But for some reason, people like it never works. I

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don't know. I get messages and it's like I try

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to leave a voicemail and it's not working. So I

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don't know. I got to figure out what's going on

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with that, because when you go to the website there's

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an option that's sad, but it never works, So I

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don't know. But those are all the options. There's several

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wat to get stories to us. We love receiving them

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and all right, are we ready?

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Yeah? One, two, three, So I just heard your podcast

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of the Dealing Sister. Oh my gosh, it didn't reminded me.

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That's what made happened to me. And so I live

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in North Carolina and I lived with my mom, my dad,

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my nephew, right, and my nephew is like a year

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older than me. And one night he came to my

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room and asked where it was him, and he just

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stood in the corner and like describing at his face

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like he was in pain and just crying, and he

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was saying, why do you hate me so much? Why

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don't you love me? And then I went, I want

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to get my mom to come get him, like to

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see what's going on. And I passed by his room

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and he was asleep in his room in he's dead.

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So then I got to my mom anyway, and then

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my mom talks me to my room, right, and then

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my room is on the like the end of the trailer,

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and he is his room is in the middle of

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the trailer. So my mom her room is all the

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way on the other side. So she wants me to

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my room. And then I go to lay down, right,

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everybody goes to sleep, and then my nephew comes to

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my room he actually does come to my room and

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he's crying and he's screaming, and he's running off the

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wall like acting crazy. And then he goes to the

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living room and he's just crying and pulling at his face.

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I go to my mom and my mom comes in there,

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and he's just like pull my arm, pull my arm,

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and he's just crying and screaming and talking about the

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devil and all this crazy stuff. And it was so

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like terrifying. Oh my god, it's just scaring me now

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thinking about that because it was so real to me,

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and my mom had to call the local pastor. Our father.

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We had just gotten him, so I don't really know

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him much like that, it was a scary night of

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my life. He was just like crawling, all creepy and

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everything like that's how I know the other side is real,

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something you know is more than us out here. And

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oh my god, just that the listening story really got

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to me. But anyways, he had to come. The father

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had to come to the house, and he blessed him,

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He blessed the house, he poured holy water on him,

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he gave him a rosary and everything. And for the

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next year we went to church like every Sunday, every Wednesday.

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It was just like I don't know, I don't know

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what it was like.

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It was okay, it got cut off, wow at the

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very end there. But oh my god, that's terrifying, very

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if anyone doesn't remember the story she was referring to

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chat on one of our listeners on patron Remembers sent

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in another voice memo where she mentioned that her sister

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was like attacking her, right, Yeah, so like in a

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but like in a weird situation, not just like attacking

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her like she was like not a regular attack. Yeah,

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it's like she was having sleep paralysis and in her

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in her sleep proalyssis moment, she was seeing like a demon, right,

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and then when she woke up, it was her sister

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on top of her, like kicking her or some shit

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like that. So that was the listening story that this

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listener was referring to. And oh my god, that is

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very scary, truly terrifying. Yeah, it's just it's so much

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worse that she saw it happened before it happened, Like

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the nephew was in her room, right, but then she

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passed by and he was asleep, but then it happened

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in the living room, kind of like telling the future

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a little bit. Yeah, creepy, very creepy. Thank you so

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much for setting that in. Yeah, I'm I'm scared. Yeah, Okay,

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shall I get to the legends from Baja California and

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Baka California. Suit, let's do it. Okay, now we'll get

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to those, but before the Spookye, a little bit of

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a little bit of fats, a little bit of the region.

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I love it, Yeah, perfectly. So, Baja California is the

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twelfth largest state by area in Mexico, and it is

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the northernmost and westernmost of the Mexican states. So yeah,

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like the way I explained it to myself, is the

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first state on the western coast that borders Arizona, California,

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Like do you get it? Yes? And as most probably know,

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Tijuana is the largest city in Baker California, but Mexicali

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is the capital. I actually didn't know what the capital

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was now me neither did I think it was Tijuana? Yes,

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who didn't honestly unless you're from there? Right, other major

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and well known cities in Baga, California, or in Senada

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and ros Rito or right in Rosa Rito. So that

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was the last that was really I was literally about

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to stop pre colonization. Baca, California was inhabited by indigenous

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groups who spoke the Yuman language of the Hokon linguistic family.

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And of course I'm sorry for any mispronunciations. This included

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the Kiliwa, Pipeie, Kumeyai, and go go Ba tongues. Okay,

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main those are the main ones, but there's more so

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the Papaye Indians aka the Akuala. Also they're also known

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as that lived in the northern Sierras which is modern

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day and Sanata, Mexicali, and also in the US and

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western Arizona in southern California. You know, because borders are

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fink they're made up in recent Yeah, exactly, so the

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Kumeyai people resided in the coastal inland valley and in

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the mountain regions of Baja California, which is present day

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as Gondido, and then also in San Diego. Again because

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the borders are made up, So the Spaniards also referred

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to the And I feel like I already wrote it differently,

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but when I say Kumeyai Kumai, I don't know people

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as the the Gueno or the Geno, I'm not sure,

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but the Spaniards made that up, so who cares what

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they think? The who My people were hunters, gatherers and

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fishers and the Cochimi. Did I even bring up Touchimi already,

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but they were also from this region. But the Cochimi

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people inhabited the central area of Baja California Peninsula from

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north of modern day Rosario to Loreto, and they sustained

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themselves by fishing in the coastal areas and gathering fruits

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and seeds from other areas. And of course there's a

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lot more you know, history there and culture there that

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we're not gonna, you know, get to right. In fifteen

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ninety six, King Felippe Dos of Spain ordered the colonization

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of this area of the Baja California Peninsula, and six

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years later Sebastian Viscaino made his way to the region,

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where he was met with fears resistance Good exactly. And

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while Sebastian managed to build a four in La Pace,

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the four had to be abandoned due to Indigenia's resistance. Good. Then,

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in sixteen eighty three, a mineral Isidro Atndo and Antillon

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and this is what it said. So I don't know

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if this is the boat's last names or if these

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are two separate people, because it was so No, it's

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probably two last names. But so if it was two

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last names, why didn't they just say Admiral Isidro Antillon

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instead of putting and it was a thing? Are you serious? Yeah? Oh, okay,

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so this is one person, then yes, so the person Isidro.

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He established a settlement in modern day La Pace. But

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again the Spaniards were forced to abandon their establishment. I'm

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loving all this forceful abandonment of their settlements. Yes, yeah.

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And then another settlement that the Spaniards were forced to

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abandon was in modern day sam Bruno. Then in sixteen

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ninety seven, Jesuit missionaries arrived to the area, you know,

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to colonize some more and spread slash force their religion

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onto the other indigenous people of the area. So many

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indigenous people lost their lives in led anchidias and the

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missions that were established by the Spaniards. Many from anxious

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diseases like smallpox, typhis, and measles, and the deadliest epidemic

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was the typhus epidemic from seventeen forty two to seventeen

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forty four, which is said to have taken the lives

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of about eight thousand indigenous people. Oh my god. In

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the decades that followed, many bands and indigenous groups were

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completely eradicated, while others, like the Pettiku, Guaikura, and Kochimi

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struggled and resisted against their ongoing colonization. From seventeen thirty

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four to seventeen forty four, there were various bouts of

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indigenous rebellion, the strongest of these being from seventeen thirty

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four to seventeen thirty seven, in which the Pertiku and

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the Guaikura people took over many of the missions in

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the southern part of the peninsula. I love this. This

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is the kind of mastionary history that I would have

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preferred to learn about. Oh yeah, instead of being forced

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to go on field trips to learn about these fathers

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and priests that do fuck people. Tell me who fucked them? Yeah,

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tell me who they throw their houses? Yeah, seriously, that's

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what I want to know. By eighteen ninety five, according

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to the census of that year, around two thousand, one

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hundred fifty people spoke indigenous languages in Baja California, but

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by the nineteen hundred census that number dropped to one thousand,

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one hundred eleven, and then to seven hundred eleven in

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nineteen ten. Oh my god. And then from what I saw,

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these census from nineteen hundred and nineteen ten included all

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of Mexico, not just Baja California peninsula. So today most

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of the indigenous languages spoken in the Bacca Peninsula are

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not historically local to the region and are brought from

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migrant workers from Wahaka mostly. So, yeah, that was a

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little bit of the of the history of the region.

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Let's see, in a previous episode, you've already talked about

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one major legend of Baja California, which was the Haunted

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Roads episode Haunted Roads in Mexico episode we talk about

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Laero Morosa. Yes, Latra Morosa. So and then I okay,

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I looked through the episodes and the website and I

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didn't see that you had covered the Aqua Galiente casino

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and hotel. But I kind of remember, are you talking

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about it? Does that sound familiar to you?

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Oh?

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Is it the Headless Ballerina? No, No, it's just similar.

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Then it's just very similar. Then I remember that headless ballerina. Okay,

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this is very short because I really couldn't find that

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much infault about it. I'm excited, but basically, this Agua

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Calientes Casino and hotel is in Tijuana and it's now

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a high school. Right, isn't that the same as the

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other one? Wow? Okay, so this is standing very familiar.

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But you're sure that this doesn't have a headless woman. Yeah,

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who may or may not dance? Right? I mean I

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didn't see more, okay about that? Okay, there could be yeah,

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there could be more details. I guess that I didn't. Well,

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let's just let's just hear it because I was a

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very early episode anyway. So this was in the nineteen

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thirties when the building was a hotel. A woman who's

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saying for the hotel poisoned her lover after stealing money

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from him, but it didn't kill him immediately, so when

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he chased her down desperately asking for the act to know,

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she refused to give it to him, and then he

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shot her and killed her. So now students from the

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high school report seeing a woman's ghost, but not the

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lover's ghost. Okay, So the version which we shared is

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insanely similar to this, but instead of being a singer,

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it's a dancer. Oh okay, yeah, interesting, and she does

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kill her husband my poison. Yes, but people see her

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in one of the high schools like Towers. Oh, and

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she's headless. Okay, there was nothing headless I saw from

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this one. Okay, very interesting because yeah, this is almost

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the same. And then I saw a legend but not

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more detail, which kind of like. I was looking and looking.

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I even found an article about Jesswa missions. You're like

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going to Google scholars, Yes.

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I was.

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I even asked my librarian friend for access to it

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and I was able to get the full article. But

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it was not spookiness. It was just mission history, which

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I was like, blah. Okay, So there's this legend of

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the lost mission of San Dionicio. This sounds fascinating. Well,

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don't get too excited because it's so short. Okay, Okay.

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It is said that a Jesuit mission slash colonization station.

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That's me. Sorry, did you just make that up?

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No?

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I made it up when I was typing it, so

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it's in my okay, yeah, okay, I love it.

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Wow.

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So it is said that a Jesuit mission named San

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Dionicio was once located near the town of La Pace.

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Somehow the mission disappeared and only cryptic symbols on the

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rocks have been left in its place, and that's all

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I can find about it. Oh my god. Please, if

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anyone knows more about this lost a mission of San Dionio,

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please tell us seriously. Wow, okay, I've never heard this.

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I love coming across sledges that I've never heard about. Yes,

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at this point, this deep in the podcast, there's like

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not a lot, right, you know, they're still out there

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like this. I never heard of this, but it's so short.

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Oh man, I wish the was more right. I have

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another short one, okay, okay. In the town of Todos Santos,

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fear spread among both locals and visitors when the appearance

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of the Devil's foot prints materialized on the walls of

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the mission of Todos Santos. But that's all I could find.

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And then when I try looking more into it, it

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only popped up like a like a famous story from

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the UK of the Devil's footprints. Yeah. Wow, that is

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so short, so like two sentenceur stories like more like

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that yeah, but I have a longer one now, Okay.

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So this is the legend of Laurita. Okay. So it

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is said that a few kilometers west of Dodos Santos,

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in the road that takes you to Ganada Onda, La

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Pastora e las Flaitas, under a tree known as Palo Blanco,

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the tomb of a young woman named Martile Martinez can

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be found. However, there is no name in the tombstone,

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only the words la Aurgarita. That's rude. Yeah, we don't

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mean her name's not there, just like this or the

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choked one, the choked girl or woman. I'm sorry, I

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do not first I want to be cremated, so I'm

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not going to be like in a tomb, right, But

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if I were to have a tombstone, I would be

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so offended. Of course I would come back and haunt

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the world. If all my tombstone said is the choked one. Yeah. No. So,

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according to the legend, this took place in the final

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years of the eighteenth century and has been passed down

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orly in the region since then. So the story is

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as follows. Matilde lived in a werta known as Sorry Paused.

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So I didn't know what a whatta was? Do you

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remember me asking her mom in the in our group message,

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I do not when I was stuck in the airport

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in Denver by the way, Yeah, curse cursed Denvers are

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not wanting to leave. As I was writing this, I

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was going through a curse. Yeah, so werta. I really

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forgot what she said, honestly, But it seems like researched. No,

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because it didn't really know. It's like like housing, but

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like kind of like outside, like there's a huge like

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garden in there, just a small shelter like when you

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go to the park and there's like a covered area

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to No, No, no, it's more it's like a residential place,

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but it's more outside than the like the residential building.

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I guess it's just small and I don't know. I

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don't want to see rudimentary, but maybe, yes, rudimentary. This

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sounds like what would be like a hakal. Maybe yes,

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that's how I pictured it. Yeah, okay, so yeah there's

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like a shack. Yeah okay. So Matilda lived in and

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I don't know, I was known that with her husband,

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her mother in law, and a brother in law who

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was only about nine years old, and he was a

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person with down syndrome. The story I found used an older,

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outdated term that we won't repeat here. Right, Matilda was

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only eighteen and she and her husband were newly wets.

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On the day of the tragic event, Matilda's husband was

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away working at the canaverale. I did look that up

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and I forgot what it was. Just don't tell us, sorry,

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while Matilda stayed home to tend the garden. Now, Matilde

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was busy sewing and raking and pruning and watering whatever else,

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growing pumpkins and tells, Okay, she was like doing it all. Wow,

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she's just growing pumpkins, you know. So she was busy

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working when a friend of hers and her husband's named

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as montever then walked by, as friends do, as Dolfou

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greeted Matinde, saying get you less is done to scalavas

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Matinde or girly, your pumpkins are so cute. Yeah, and

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then he went on his merry way. You know, comes Nava.

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Because it was nothing, just a simple compliment right on

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her pumpkins, right she was growing. Yeah, well, alasen this compliment. Okay,

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the mother in Laddin like this compliments. No no about pumpkins. Right.

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The mother in law mistook this compliment as flirtation, and

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she was jealous on behalf of her son. Purious. The

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mother in law yeld edsuna or your a flirt amatide,

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and in her furious rage, she repeatedly hit Matile with

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which is the you know, yeah, this thing like this,

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the part you crushed, yes, the whatever? Yeah, yeah, so

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that thing and this is so uncalled for, exactly, it's

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a complete overreaction. So yeah, she hit Mati until Matile

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fell to the ground dead. Oh my god. The mother

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in law then tried to cover her tracks by hiding

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Mattila's body among the shrubbery. A tree had fallen in

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that area amongst the shrubbery, so she made it look

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like this tree fell on Matile and that's how Matilda died.

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And then she left Mattila's body there until the husband

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got home. So hours passed, and at the end of

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the day the husband finally got home. The mother in

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law told her son that Matilda had an accident and

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died when the tree fell on her, and like your

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typical mama's boy, he believed every word she said. I

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was gonna say this sounds like a boy.

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Mom.

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Oh yeah, oh yeah, one hundred percent. Then laid into

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the night d two hid Mattila's body by wrapping it

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in leather and dragging it to a mountain. I'm sorry

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if my husband and mother in law put together my

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fucking body I had come back buffalom like that. Oh

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my god, that's like adding insult to the mother in

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law already killed her dad, and now the husband is

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fucking helping her.

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I know.

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It's the audacity, the shamelessness. Once in the mountain, they

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dragged Mattila's body a few kilometers further until they reached

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on blanco or a white bark tree. They're at the

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award Blanco or the mother in law and husband hung

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Mattila's body to make the townspeople think that she died

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by suicide. Oh my god, it's like it's adding on

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more more insultant dream like. Yeah, because on top of that,

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this is also like a sin you can't right, especially

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to like a Catholic community. Yeah. Yeah. Eight days later,

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Matilda's body was found by a young boy who told

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the townspeople. The townspeople were both surprised and afraid to

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hear the news. And then authorities became involved. It was

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decided by the authorities that it would be best to

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let Matilda to rest right then and there at the

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Adamal de Palo Blanco, where her body hung. Soon the

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truth of Mattila's death was revealed when her younger brother

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in law spilled the beans about his mother killing Matilda.

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The mother in law and husband were sent to Santa

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Rosalia Prison, where the mother in law died in a

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dungeon like room. Wow she yes. The husband was eventually

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released from prison after serving his full sentence, and then

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he was lost to time like no one knows what

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happened to him. In the years and decades that followed,

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La Aurcaita became a fountain of hope for women and

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longing to become mothers. And this is because after her death,

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it turned out that Matilda was about four months pregnant.

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Oh my god. But in order for Matilda to grant

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i'm may goal, one must start praying along the main

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path until they get to Matilis tomb, and the prayer

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must be prayed to the child inside matiliz womb who

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died at the hands of its own Awulita. Wow. So

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she's a good goes. Yeah. Yeah, wow, that's surprising. But

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also and I love this, I'm not like like I

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love that this happened because like, leave it to a

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group of like a Mexican community to turn this horrible

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death into something miraculous, into a saint. Like, yeah, it

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reminds me of the little boy that died and the

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people bring him toys and stuff in the Panteon Develin.

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But people don't pray to him, right, they just bring

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him toys. No, no, because people do give toys to

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little Nachito. They do in Panto Neblin. But in Panto

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Neblin there's also a doctor that passed away and people

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began to ask him for favors that's right, for healing,

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for prayers, and now people pray to him. Like I

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know this is like, oh, you're not supposed to do

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that as a Catholic. What is the worst sacrilegious or

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something like that. Yeah, yeah, like it's wrong, but also

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the most Catholic thing to do. Yeah, Like, this woman

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was hanging from a tree, but you know what I'm

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interpreted her now like yeah, yeah, well because she didn't

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hang herself, you know, of course, We're not saying that

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people who die by suicide or sinners, but that's the

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Catholic belief right. But yeah, I mean she was put

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there and the truth came out about her death, and

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so yeah, they like turned this into a positive and

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revered her, which is cool. Yeah. I was expecting something different, like, oh,

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cars drive by and she pops up and people get

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in car accidents. And I wouldn't blame her if she

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did me neither. But the fact that this is what

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became of her, like, I love it, I absolutely love it.

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But you know what I love more is that her

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name is remembered, so is her friend's name. But the

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husband and the mother in law, they're just the husband

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and the mother in law. Yeah, they're nameless in this story. Yeah,

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and yeah, I'm here for that. So next we have

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the legend of El Metulo. The legend of m Matulo

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originated in Bacha, California, suit on a peninsula north of

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to be exact that many call Elmetulo or Punta Matulo.

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According to legend, around the nineteenth century, the waters around

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the peninsula used to be full of pearls, so every year,

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hundreds of divers would go to the area and dive

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deep into the ocean to search for pearls in hopes

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of getting rich. Drivers back then did not have the

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technology we have today, so it's said that many would

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dive into the water with only a stick to protect

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themselves from ocean predators. Those that made it back to

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land would usually be injured and have bloody noses and

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busted ear drums yanks. Oh. Eventually, every year the winds

446
00:24:35.319 --> 00:24:37.440
they would get stronger every year and they made dangerous

447
00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:40.079
for divers to continue searching. So at the end of

448
00:24:40.119 --> 00:24:43.519
each diving season, the divers would get together and dig

449
00:24:43.599 --> 00:24:46.799
up their last pearl in honor of the Vitkan media.

450
00:24:46.960 --> 00:24:49.279
But one year, one of the divers missed the end

451
00:24:49.319 --> 00:24:52.279
of season tradition and instead decided to dive into the

452
00:24:52.359 --> 00:24:55.680
ocean on his own, even though fellow divers warned against it.

453
00:24:55.960 --> 00:24:59.319
The selfish diver told his fellow divers that he planned

454
00:24:59.319 --> 00:25:01.640
to dig up his final pearl in the name of

455
00:25:01.720 --> 00:25:05.640
the devil instead. What the fuck? He's like someone called

456
00:25:05.640 --> 00:25:08.319
for He's like, he can't screw that. This is for

457
00:25:08.480 --> 00:25:14.960
suttn ass? What and for what exactly? Yeah? Why?

458
00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:15.359
Why?

459
00:25:15.440 --> 00:25:17.559
Because he was he was never seen again. He duve

460
00:25:17.599 --> 00:25:19.920
into the water, and he was never seen again. Of

461
00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:24.039
course yep, so many believe that the devil heard the

462
00:25:24.079 --> 00:25:27.880
man's offering and took him instead, like I don't watch

463
00:25:27.880 --> 00:25:30.480
a pearl, I want your soul, please, don't you know me?

464
00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:32.200
Right?

465
00:25:32.599 --> 00:25:36.160
So, nowadays locals do not dare to search for pearls

466
00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:39.319
near Bunda Machuzo because it's said that those who have

467
00:25:39.400 --> 00:25:42.559
tried have encountered the ghosts of the selfish diver, and

468
00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:45.200
those who do encounter the ghosts of the diver can

469
00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:48.480
expect to encounter a ghost with a huge head of hair,

470
00:25:48.759 --> 00:25:51.240
a long beard, that looks sad, and is holding a

471
00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:54.279
large pearl in his hand that is said to belong

472
00:25:54.319 --> 00:25:57.880
to the devil. Wow and overall, many believes the legend

473
00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:00.720
was created to teach greedy divers to stay away from

474
00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:03.559
the ocean when it becomes dangerous or pay the ultimate

475
00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:05.799
price with their lives. There's nothing like a fun little

476
00:26:05.839 --> 00:26:09.200
ghostly cautionary tale to keep people away from a certain area.

477
00:26:09.440 --> 00:26:11.319
You know, it just makes it all so much better.

478
00:26:12.519 --> 00:26:18.200
So that was that was legends from Baja California and Baca, California.

479
00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:21.480
Those are fun. I love a fun little local legend.

480
00:26:21.519 --> 00:26:24.359
You know, I don't know about any of these so bad. Yeah,

481
00:26:24.440 --> 00:26:28.839
it's always it's always fun to read about other places. Yeah, Okay,

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502
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to be sharing the case of Elisabe Salgado. She went

503
00:27:58.799 --> 00:28:03.680
missing after all being in Provo Utah for eighteen days,

504
00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:05.960
and I mean, this is you know, we'll get into it,

505
00:28:06.039 --> 00:28:07.960
but it's it's a very sad case, like I just

506
00:28:08.559 --> 00:28:12.279
couldn't believe it. So Ai Saba Sagado was born November sixth,

507
00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:15.559
nineteen eighty eight, and she was twenty six at the

508
00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:18.640
time she went missing. She was an inspiring engineer. Both

509
00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:22.440
of her parents were also engineers from Chiapas, Mexico. She

510
00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:26.039
had just graduated with her bachelors from dux La Gutierres

511
00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:31.279
Institute of Technology and her degree was in industrial engineering.

512
00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:34.759
After graduating, she spent two years as a missionary in

513
00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:38.079
Bachuca in Valgo, and when she returned from her mission trip,

514
00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:41.559
she attended a business leadership course, and this is when

515
00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:45.200
she decided that she wanted to learn English to get

516
00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:50.200
you know, better career opportunities, and so she started researching

517
00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:54.839
where to attend English school. She was like legit, like

518
00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:57.200
actual like immersion, you know, which was the best way

519
00:28:57.240 --> 00:28:59.759
to learn, not like reo lingo, which is honestly just

520
00:28:59.799 --> 00:29:02.960
like really a game at this point, so she decided

521
00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:06.319
after English classes she was going to move to sue

522
00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:10.359
that Mexico and then pursue her masters. So you could

523
00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:14.519
tell right away like she's responsible. She values education deeply.

524
00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:19.079
She ended up choosing Provo, Utah to attend the Noman

525
00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:23.160
Global English Language School, and she chose Provo after a

526
00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:26.440
lot of research. She learned through this research that it

527
00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:29.079
was one of the safest cities in the United States.

528
00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:32.160
And she also chose it because her church, the Church

529
00:29:32.240 --> 00:29:34.519
of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints Mormons, it was

530
00:29:34.599 --> 00:29:36.720
very active in the area. It is Utah asome, but

531
00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:39.400
also she has family in the area, so it was

532
00:29:39.559 --> 00:29:41.559
kind of the perfect place for her to go. Her

533
00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:46.119
mom describes her as very very smart, especially with math

534
00:29:46.240 --> 00:29:50.480
and physics. Her siblings looked up to her. She was noble, faithful, loving,

535
00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:53.599
She was the one kind of setting in the example

536
00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:56.720
for her younger sisters. She had older brothers and she

537
00:29:56.920 --> 00:30:00.160
was the eldest girl, and more things about her. Her

538
00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:02.880
mom said she never got angry, she was very patient.

539
00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:05.519
She was also just very faithful to her church and

540
00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:09.240
her mom taught Sunday school, and she was very close

541
00:30:09.279 --> 00:30:12.720
to her family. When she was away during her mission trip,

542
00:30:13.359 --> 00:30:15.559
she know she was in constant communication with them. She

543
00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:17.799
missed them a bunch, and she had just gotten back

544
00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:19.599
from this trip when she decided, you know, to go

545
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:21.799
to English school. So you know, she was very sad

546
00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:24.319
to be away from her family again. But her mom

547
00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:26.720
reassured her, telling her like, oh, it's only going to

548
00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:28.680
be eight months. It's not a big deal. We just

549
00:30:28.720 --> 00:30:31.599
survived two years, like we're going to be fine, and

550
00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:34.599
that they would see each other when the trip or

551
00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:38.079
when the language school was over. And sadly, they never

552
00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:40.480
got the chance to see each other again. Elizabeth was

553
00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:43.680
in Provo, Utah for less than a month, like I said,

554
00:30:43.799 --> 00:30:47.519
eighteen days before she went missing. And even in just

555
00:30:47.640 --> 00:30:52.200
these eighteen days, she was very busy. She joined her

556
00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:55.000
local church, like a group in her local church, a

557
00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:58.640
youth group type thing, but for like adults. For the singles, yeah,

558
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:02.160
it was like for both men and women. Like a

559
00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:06.039
young single sometimes they split it up, right, they do sometimes,

560
00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:09.440
So she joined that group. She had friends, like not

561
00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:11.279
close school friends, because you know, she was new to

562
00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:13.559
the area, but she made friends. She went to school,

563
00:31:13.640 --> 00:31:16.039
She got a part time job at a restaurant. Her

564
00:31:16.119 --> 00:31:20.240
apartment was in the Brandberry and apartment complex that was

565
00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:22.920
driving distance not far from the school, but she didn't

566
00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:25.160
have a car, so she walked a lot. So when

567
00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:27.200
she first got to the brand Berry she had roommates

568
00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:29.799
that she told her family that they were very like

569
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:31.960
like there was a language barrier already, but they were

570
00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:34.799
also just like not very not warm and welcoming to her.

571
00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:39.000
Were they like warmons? Also? I don't know. I wonder,

572
00:31:39.240 --> 00:31:41.359
I wasn't able to find that in the research. And

573
00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:43.119
I also wonder if they were white. I was just

574
00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:45.000
gonna ask that. So you don't know. I don't know

575
00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:48.720
about that. I do know that she moved rooms apartment

576
00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:51.480
built of rooms, same complex, but with a group of

577
00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:54.480
Korean roommates after and she liked them so much better.

578
00:31:54.559 --> 00:31:56.599
They practiced their English together even though there was a

579
00:31:56.680 --> 00:31:59.480
language barrier. That makes sense. Yeah, yeah, so that's what

580
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:01.799
if they were white, I don't know, but I couldn't

581
00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:05.559
find that information. Sometimes Utah in general is there's a

582
00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:09.400
lot more like white people there and they can tend

583
00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:12.400
to be racist. Yeah, and like hashtag not all white people,

584
00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:15.720
right of course, of course, but the region you know, yeah,

585
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:18.359
you never know, right, She just I know she had

586
00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:22.640
from her own accounts unwelcoming roommates when she first got there,

587
00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:26.400
and then she moved roommates. Can I share a sort

588
00:32:26.440 --> 00:32:30.039
of related story, yeah, okay, the relation is racist people

589
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:34.119
from Utah. Utah is a relation, yes, yeah. So my

590
00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:37.880
friend lives in Salt Lake City and even she feels

591
00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:40.079
so she actually ended up living not on purpose but

592
00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:42.599
in the Mexican side of town, but she's just surrounded

593
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:45.319
by white people. She said. Where she used to work,

594
00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:48.240
it was her birthday and the I don't know if

595
00:32:48.279 --> 00:32:50.400
it was their supervisor, just a coworker, but they you

596
00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:52.559
know how you do at work, they'll give you a

597
00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:55.079
birthday card that everyone's signed. Anyway, there was like the

598
00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:58.240
dog from like Taco Bell on the card. That is

599
00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:01.279
a microaggression. Yeah, and so she felt weird about it

600
00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:03.319
and She's like, hey, why did you give me this card?

601
00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:06.240
And then the person was like, what do you mean?

602
00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:08.640
It's because you're a Mexican and she's like what just

603
00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:10.880
straight up yeah, and she's like you get it. And

604
00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:13.720
then she's like do you get it? Like how I feel?

605
00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:16.240
And yeah, that's what happened. And the person didn't understand

606
00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:20.799
that it was inappropriate. Yeah, okay, well there it is.

607
00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:23.400
I mean, obviously that's some more person's experience, but I mean,

608
00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:25.519
even you know, as a person who had just arrived,

609
00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:29.519
she doesn't speak English fully, she is Mexican. It's like

610
00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:33.119
a double yeah. And just to factually moved roommates, and

611
00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:36.240
her own account is that these new roommates were much

612
00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:41.079
friendlier welcoming, So yeah, I don't know, there's something there, right, Yeah,

613
00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:44.599
So they practiced their English together. She also found Spanish

614
00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:47.559
speaking friends in the same building and they practiced English

615
00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:51.359
together as well. Overall, you can tell she's outgoing, she's friendly.

616
00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:54.279
Oh yeah, eighteen days in, I would have not had

617
00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:56.880
one friend. I've been here for like seven years in

618
00:33:57.039 --> 00:34:03.960
or cutting that. So she also had several outings with

619
00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:06.839
a man from her apartment complex, and she posted about

620
00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:09.360
this on Facebook. But she and she told her family

621
00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:12.400
about these outings like dates, I think, but she never

622
00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:14.519
said who this was. She never said a name. And

623
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:16.760
I mentioned this earlier, but she was also a member

624
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:19.440
of the young single adult group, which was called a ward.

625
00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:23.920
And then for some unknown reason, she switched wards from

626
00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:25.320
the wind. She was a BO because these are they

627
00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:28.440
were based on location. These Wards, they're very organized and

628
00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:32.079
so the it's like, if you're in this area of town,

629
00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:35.400
you belong to Ward eighteen, like I'm tayaketup numbers. So

630
00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:38.639
she moved from her what was supposed to be her

631
00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:42.000
award to the one hundred fortieth ward and this wasn't

632
00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:44.679
her official ward, so and there was never like an

633
00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:48.400
explanation for this move. Interesting, so it was like out

634
00:34:48.519 --> 00:34:53.280
of the ordinary for ward groups. Yeah, And at the

635
00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:58.440
one hundred fortieth Ward, her unofficial minister brother was Mackie Smith.

636
00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:00.280
He only got to know her a little litle bit.

637
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:03.159
He mentions that he was supposed to give her a

638
00:35:03.320 --> 00:35:05.920
ride to a church event, but he couldn't because he

639
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:07.880
was sick, and that was the last time he spoke

640
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:11.079
to her. And he also just even him describing like

641
00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:13.199
I couldn't give her a ride, but she was just

642
00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:15.559
so nice about it. She's like she was just that

643
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:17.679
kind of person that was just so kind. Going to

644
00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:20.920
add and this is no way to shade her her family,

645
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:22.639
but it's all I just feel like I need to

646
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:26.599
point it out because it's a thing with high control religions,

647
00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:30.840
and with Mormonism specifically that I've heard and learned from

648
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:36.239
watching ex Mormons women girls, they're not allowed to express anger.

649
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:39.599
It's very very frowned upon. So I just want to

650
00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:43.400
throw that out there, like being angry is a valid emotion.

651
00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:45.800
It's okay to be angry, it's okay to not be

652
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:48.079
nice all the time. I'm just you know, yeah, I

653
00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:49.880
just needed to say that. He couldn't control like the

654
00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:51.760
urge to say this. I was like finding it from

655
00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:54.800
earlier on. I could tell. I could tell I was

656
00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:59.360
waiting at Yeah, that's about to explode. Yes, yeah, that's

657
00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:01.360
that is very true. And if you are nice all

658
00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:04.280
the time, okay, maybe you're like that, but it's not likely,

659
00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:08.239
Like everyone experiences a wide range of emotions normal. It's normal,

660
00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:11.679
and it's okay, and it's yeah, and it's allowed or

661
00:36:11.719 --> 00:36:15.199
should be allowed for everyone, right, And so he even said,

662
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:17.639
like when he said he couldn't give her a ride,

663
00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:20.199
she asked if he needed anything, even though she wouldn't

664
00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:22.079
have had a way to like take him anything, right,

665
00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:23.199
she was still like what.

666
00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:23.679
Do you need?

667
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:25.280
Like I'm here for you. And that was the last

668
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:27.480
time we saw her. And he was cleared from any

669
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:29.840
sort of suspicion as well, because I think anytime you

670
00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:33.440
mentioned anyone's name Mary, it's like yeah, right, but no,

671
00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:36.320
he was, Hey, he's been cleared fully and he fully

672
00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:39.800
cooperated with investigators like nothing suspicious at all. So he

673
00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:41.480
was able to give her a ride. And this was

674
00:36:41.559 --> 00:36:43.400
just a few days before she went missing this church

675
00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:45.360
event that he was supposed to give her a ride to.

676
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:49.480
So on April sixteenth, twenty fifteen, and Sabbath had plans

677
00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:51.840
to go to Walmart with her uncle after school, and

678
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:53.760
this was normal. She didn't have a car, so it

679
00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:55.920
was like a planned thing that they had where once

680
00:36:55.920 --> 00:36:58.239
a week he picked her up and or take her

681
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:00.400
to Walmart for groceries. They were supposed to be five

682
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:03.599
at her apartment, but when he got there, she was

683
00:37:03.679 --> 00:37:07.320
not there. And earlier that day, Elizabeth's sister texted her,

684
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:09.719
I miss you. What are you doing, and Elizabeth had

685
00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:12.559
replied leaving school and that was it. That was the message,

686
00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:15.559
nothing else, just leaving school. This was at two thirty pm,

687
00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:19.320
and this was the last time anyone Elizabeth's phone had

688
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:22.719
any sort of activity. Wow. The family and her sister,

689
00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:26.480
they do believe that this was not her texting because

690
00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:30.079
even if it was a simple answer like I'm leaving school,

691
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:34.119
her messages were always affectionate okay, like it would have

692
00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:37.280
a heart emoji or something something something. And also like

693
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:39.280
her sister said, I miss you, what are you doing?

694
00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:42.119
So normally she what I miss I knew you too, Yeah,

695
00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:44.960
okay exactly, and this message none of that, just so

696
00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:49.119
straightforward leaving school. So that was already unlike her, Yes,

697
00:37:49.360 --> 00:37:51.920
very unlike her. So that already kind of raised bells.

698
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:54.679
And so you know, that was two thirty pm. So

699
00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:56.840
at five, when she didn't show up, when her uncle

700
00:37:56.920 --> 00:37:59.880
was waiting for her at her apartment, this was brazy

701
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:02.800
moral alarms. They were like, she should be here by now.

702
00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:04.880
This isn't like her to just not do what she

703
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:07.480
was going to do, like to just flake on plants. Right,

704
00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:10.599
So her uncle decided to go to Walmart because maybe

705
00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:13.400
for some reason she walked straight to Walmar instead of

706
00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:15.760
the apartment he went. He walked through all the aisles,

707
00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:18.119
she was nowhere to be seen, and then he was like, okay,

708
00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:20.679
maybe she picked up a last minute shift at the restaurant.

709
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:23.079
He went over there and asked, but no, she wasn't

710
00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:24.960
scheduled to work that day, so she wasn't there either.

711
00:38:25.239 --> 00:38:28.559
And he went home after that thinking Okay, maybe Eliseeba

712
00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:32.159
just forgot our plans and maybe she went in there's

713
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:34.159
something else with friends. But still he was like, I

714
00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:37.119
don't know, like it's not like her. Yeah, And so

715
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:39.880
he'd let her mom know in Chiapas and they were

716
00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:42.360
all like, okay, this is weird. And because none of

717
00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:45.639
their messages were being answered either, the last message answered

718
00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:50.679
was the leaving school message. So the next day, Friday

719
00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:54.000
the seventeenth, her mom called her other brother. He is

720
00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:56.559
now in California, but he did live in Provo for

721
00:38:56.760 --> 00:38:59.639
a long time, so another uncle and he ended up

722
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:02.840
calling Elizabeth's work and learned that she didn't show up

723
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:06.000
her scheduled shift. And now they grew even more worried

724
00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:09.519
because this is like the most responsible person ever, and

725
00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:13.159
so they report her missing after this, and surprisingly the

726
00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:16.320
police get to work right away because she's an adult,

727
00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:18.920
and we know the police sometimes they tend to be

728
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:22.360
like whatever, and adults allowed to go missing, right, That's

729
00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:24.440
what I was say. Yeah, So the police get to

730
00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:27.599
work right away. They pink her phone and they get nothing.

731
00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:32.119
They also like, there's no recent selectivity, so like it

732
00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:34.440
was turned off, right, that's inane. So that means that

733
00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:36.679
was trewed off or dead. Yeah, one of the two.

734
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:40.920
They are able to determine that she had been walking

735
00:39:41.039 --> 00:39:44.440
her regular route route. I don't know. I never know

736
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:47.159
how to say that word right, right either. Yeah, So

737
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:49.760
she had been walking the way she normally walks home,

738
00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:53.599
and they began talking to anyone and everyone that knew her.

739
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:56.679
So they quickly rule out a creepy classmate who like

740
00:39:56.840 --> 00:39:59.960
made advances towards her. They rule out a construction work

741
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:02.480
girl from the site that she passed by every single day,

742
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:04.719
who apparently was like trying to get her to quit

743
00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:06.320
her job, telling her things like, oh, I'll take care

744
00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:09.320
of you. Do never believe that, right? Can I go

745
00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:12.519
on another side of tangent about that? Of course? Okay,

746
00:40:12.559 --> 00:40:15.960
do you remember being in Mexico with Artia Rika on

747
00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:18.280
the bus and she told us the story. I don't

748
00:40:18.280 --> 00:40:20.360
even know how this came up, but she told us

749
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:25.320
the story of this girl who she wanted her mom

750
00:40:25.400 --> 00:40:27.280
to buy her new shoes. But the mom couldn't have

751
00:40:27.400 --> 00:40:29.119
wanted to buy new shoes. She was like a teenager,

752
00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:32.440
like a young teenager. And then the girl met this

753
00:40:33.039 --> 00:40:36.400
man who promised to buy her new shoes, and so

754
00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:38.360
she went off with the first man that offered it

755
00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:43.760
to buy her new shoes. And now she said, ambarrassala

756
00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:47.760
descalza so barefoot and pregnant. I don't remember this, but

757
00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:50.079
also she tell us this. I have no idea why

758
00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:52.239
she was saying this to us, which is one of

759
00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:55.239
those things I remember. Yeah, she's like, don't trust the

760
00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:58.840
first man to offer you shoes. I mean that's the lesson. Yeah, yeah, wow,

761
00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:01.800
that's I don't remember that at all. Yeah. So, yeah,

762
00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:04.400
they rolled these two creepy men out. They were just creepy.

763
00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:06.800
But there was just nothing there, right, just your regular

764
00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:10.199
run of the mill crate. Yes, And so they talked

765
00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:14.360
to classmates, teachers. They couldn't find anything. And so just

766
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:18.000
based on like their interviews and the last like phone

767
00:41:18.119 --> 00:41:22.559
activity that they gathered it seems that Elizabeth had began

768
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:25.519
to walk home that day from Nobod Global, her school.

769
00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:28.880
So on four hundred West is the street the school's

770
00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:31.360
on two, and she was walking to her apartment at

771
00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:35.079
the Branberry. That's four four nine West seven twenty north,

772
00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:37.440
not too far right. So I looked it up on

773
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:41.559
them on Google Maps. Okay, according to Google Navigation. According

774
00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:44.920
to Google, it's a seven minute drive and a fifty

775
00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:49.039
four minute walk, unless like paths have changed since this happened.

776
00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:51.119
I listened to a couple of podcasts and they said

777
00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:54.679
it was a thirty minute walk. Oh, interesting, But looking

778
00:41:54.760 --> 00:41:57.360
at it today, it's a fifty four minute walk, so

779
00:41:57.519 --> 00:41:59.280
I don't know either way, kind of a long walk.

780
00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:03.079
So believed she was heading north after leaving Noman Global,

781
00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:06.639
possibly passing by West Center Street in Provo and twelve

782
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:10.480
hundred north, so between University Avenue and West five hundred

783
00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:12.800
West Street, And if she had been walking, she would

784
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:15.559
have passed by a construction site. And even though they

785
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:18.679
both have cameras, neither captured her, like they were facing

786
00:42:18.719 --> 00:42:20.519
the wrong way or they just weren't working, And it

787
00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:22.840
would seem that she would have taken major streets home

788
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:27.920
last of traffic, but somehow, like no surveillance cameras caught her. Interesting, Yeah,

789
00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:32.280
it's weird. So then local media starts picking up Elizabeth's case,

790
00:42:32.599 --> 00:42:35.880
and eight days after she went missing, Elizabeth Smart and

791
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:39.239
her father became aware of her case of Elizaveth Salgado.

792
00:42:39.400 --> 00:42:42.239
Do you know who Elizabeth Smart is? Yes? Okay, I

793
00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:44.079
thought you would. But for those that don't know who

794
00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:47.840
Elizabeth Smart is, she became an advocate after surviving her

795
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:50.199
own kidnapping in two thousand and two, which also took

796
00:42:50.239 --> 00:42:53.159
place in Utah in Salt Lake City. She was fourteen

797
00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:55.239
years old and she was kidnapped by a man named

798
00:42:55.360 --> 00:42:58.239
Brian Mitchell who her mom had just hired like he

799
00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:00.159
was like homeless on the street and her mom had

800
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:03.400
hired him to like do some cleaning. Very horrible case.

801
00:43:03.519 --> 00:43:06.960
She was captive like months, so for a while she

802
00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:09.519
was held outside of the in the ouskirts of Salt

803
00:43:09.559 --> 00:43:12.800
Lake City. Then the kidnapper took her to San Diego.

804
00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:15.000
And when it was it was the kidnapper and his

805
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:17.280
wife or girlfriend, I don't remember which of the two

806
00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:19.719
she was, and she, you know, during her captivity, was

807
00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:23.679
abused in several ways horrible, horrible ways. But she was

808
00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:26.840
found alive on March twelve, two thousand and three, and

809
00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:30.280
her kidnapping was widely publicized. There's a lot of media

810
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:33.119
curve in her story, including a book by the Smart Family.

811
00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:37.880
Documentaries shows. She has her own foundation where she works

812
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:41.880
to end victimization and exploitation of sex year assault through education, healing,

813
00:43:41.960 --> 00:43:46.039
that advocacy. So when she heard about Elizabe Salgado, who

814
00:43:46.119 --> 00:43:48.559
also went missing in Utah, you know where she went

815
00:43:48.599 --> 00:43:51.000
missing from, her and her dad immediately got to work.

816
00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:52.800
They were like, we're going to bring attention to this.

817
00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:55.800
So they held a media or sorry press They held

818
00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:58.559
a g yeah, press conference, thank you. I was like,

819
00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:00.559
what is it called? Why am I blanking on this?

820
00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:03.400
They held a press conference with the Salagado family to

821
00:44:03.480 --> 00:44:06.559
bring more attention to Elizabeth Salgado and it worked because

822
00:44:06.599 --> 00:44:10.159
then there was a massive search for Elizabeth. They searched

823
00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:13.480
along what would have been her route from school to

824
00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:17.800
her apartment, but they found nothing. While all this is happening,

825
00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:23.280
Elisabeth's parents are stuck in Mexico. Oh my god, they

826
00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:27.039
can't leave. They're waiting for their reasons to be approved,

827
00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:30.360
and it wasn't until the Mexican consulate stepped in to

828
00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:35.280
make the process move faster. So finally, after thirteen long days,

829
00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:37.880
her family so her her parents and her brother were

830
00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:39.880
able to make as a provo. And yeah, she had

831
00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:42.000
local family, but of course her parents want to be

832
00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:46.559
searching too, Like I just can't imagine feeling so unable

833
00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:49.800
to stuck any yeah, yeah, yeah, And as soon as

834
00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:52.719
they get to provote her family, they immediately get to work.

835
00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:54.880
They go from door to door, they put up flyers

836
00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:58.559
trying to find her, and the Saturday Police they're not

837
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:02.440
getting anywhere. There's just no leads, and they end up

838
00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:05.360
investigating her uncles. They end up doing light detectors on

839
00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:07.599
both of them, and they don't do well in them.

840
00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:11.119
But we know, like, yeah, they're not really reliable. They're

841
00:45:11.199 --> 00:45:15.159
not even admissible as evidence to courts, right, And there's

842
00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:18.800
a whole wide amount of reasons why someone would fail

843
00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:22.079
a light detector test, like, yeah, they're just not reliable

844
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:25.000
because they failed these light detector tests. Like if you

845
00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:28.159
look up at leastaves Sagado, like on Reddit, people you'll

846
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:30.599
see a bunch of posts of people like, oh, the

847
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:33.760
uncles are suspicious, The uncles are weird. There was a

848
00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:36.599
I don't remember what who did a documentary on the

849
00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:40.639
case disappeared, maybe like you know those channels and friends

850
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:43.000
of channels, I Discovery, I don't know, I don't remember,

851
00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:45.119
but there was a documentary where, you know, people are

852
00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:47.119
interviewed and people are like, oh, her uncles come off

853
00:45:47.159 --> 00:45:49.119
as creepy, like they have it has to be them,

854
00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:51.559
It has to be them. But they were fully investigated,

855
00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:56.840
bank records, phone records, they fully cooperated with police. They

856
00:45:57.039 --> 00:46:00.320
they gave everything. They were helped like and I hope

857
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:02.760
that it is common for like the guilty person to

858
00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:05.639
participate in searches too, you know, but they were out

859
00:46:05.679 --> 00:46:08.760
here helping searching for her, and they fully cooperated with police.

860
00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:11.599
They gave their phone records, every type of evidence. They

861
00:46:11.639 --> 00:46:16.280
didn't like decline anything, you know, And why do people

862
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:18.519
think they're creepy? Like do you know why? Like why

863
00:46:18.519 --> 00:46:20.519
do people think they're weird? People just think they give

864
00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:23.840
a creepy vibe in the documentary, but nothing to explain that,

865
00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:28.039
like no, no, and and that paired with the like

866
00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:31.719
detector tests, people think it was like them, But I

867
00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:34.480
don't know, but there's no evidence, right, now supporting that. No,

868
00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:36.880
there's no evidence. There's no evidence, and I'm not one

869
00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:39.880
to speculate like that, Oh yeah no when there's no evidence.

870
00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:42.840
So I'm like, leave them alone. They're grieving too, like yeah,

871
00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:46.519
and if they've been cleared, like there's a reason they

872
00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:51.039
were cleared. So the investigation into the uncles like slowed

873
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:54.239
down any momentum her case was getting what people donating money,

874
00:46:54.280 --> 00:46:56.920
people trying to help search, Like, people just stop doing

875
00:46:56.960 --> 00:46:59.960
that when the uncles were investigated and it was all publicized,

876
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:02.719
so the police was like working with the media like

877
00:47:03.199 --> 00:47:06.280
updating everyone. So it's just to me, it's sad to

878
00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:08.800
see that, like morning, family members who also want to

879
00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:10.960
help find their knees are still thought it as guilty

880
00:47:11.119 --> 00:47:13.280
right now when you look at this, look this up

881
00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:15.440
like on you know, on Reddit and like you know,

882
00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:19.079
internet sleuths like, and it's like it's just unnecessary. Also,

883
00:47:19.199 --> 00:47:22.000
around this time, whenever our uncles received a ransom call

884
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:24.000
and he was fully prepared to give them money, but

885
00:47:24.079 --> 00:47:26.039
he did call police on the way to the bank,

886
00:47:26.119 --> 00:47:28.400
and they traced the call to somewhere in Texas, and

887
00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:30.840
so this was just a hoax. They didn't have her

888
00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:33.719
so the case began to grow cold. A year had

889
00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:36.679
gone by, Elizabeth's parents decided that they needed to go

890
00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:39.639
back to Mexico to be with the other kids. Two

891
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:42.440
more years went by, and now we're at May eleventh,

892
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:46.760
twenty eighteen. Someone was hiking in Hobble Creek trail and

893
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:49.480
they came across a body. This hiker had gone off

894
00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:52.239
trail for a moment to go pee, and that's when

895
00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:56.920
they saw remains, and they contacted police. Twelve days after

896
00:47:57.039 --> 00:47:59.559
this is when these remains were confirmed to be at

897
00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:02.719
least Oh my god. And so now the case is

898
00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:05.960
ruled a homicide. And because of where she was found,

899
00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:09.159
the case was transferred from the Provo Police Department to

900
00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:12.840
the Utah County Sheriff's Office. I did some searching on

901
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:15.519
the location where she was found. From what I read,

902
00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:19.840
it's a very very very popular hiking trail. Interesting, which

903
00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:22.280
kind of like, what makes you wonder why wasn't she

904
00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:25.679
found before? Right? That was my thought right now too, Yes,

905
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:28.440
And this is also fifteen miles from where she was

906
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:34.679
last seen, okay, quite a waye fifteen or fifty fifteen

907
00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:37.280
guinte Okay, so like to be to make it the

908
00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:40.119
foot when she didn't have a car, right right, it's

909
00:48:40.119 --> 00:48:42.400
a little fire for that, but if you have a car, yeah,

910
00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:45.519
it's not far. So this area is not just used

911
00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:50.760
for hiking. It's also like biking, camping, bonfires, And there's

912
00:48:50.760 --> 00:48:53.079
a park at the bottom of this canyon, like it's

913
00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:55.800
a there's a park with picnic tables, like a little

914
00:48:55.840 --> 00:48:57.960
creek type thing, and then you go you can climb

915
00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:00.599
and hike up the trails after them. So like it's

916
00:49:00.639 --> 00:49:03.360
a high, high traffic area. So it just seems like

917
00:49:03.599 --> 00:49:05.440
if she had been there the entire time, she would

918
00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:08.000
have been found, maybe even with people because she was

919
00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:10.079
a little off trail, but even with people like this

920
00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:12.320
hiker who had to go pee and that and saw

921
00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:17.079
her immediately, Like you know, it's it's strange. So one

922
00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:19.920
more thing that just could be a weird coincidence but

923
00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:22.760
kind of makes you wonder as well, is that the

924
00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:26.480
church group she belonged to, the ward I mentioned earlier,

925
00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:29.159
had an activity at the bottom of the canyon in

926
00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:31.960
the park just like four days before she went missing.

927
00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:35.239
This was, you know how I mentioned the minister brother

928
00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:37.920
unofficial minister brother of the ward was supposed to give

929
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:40.039
her a ride to this activity and he couldn't because

930
00:49:40.039 --> 00:49:41.960
he was sick. This is the activity and it was

931
00:49:42.119 --> 00:49:44.400
at the bottom of the creek where she was found.

932
00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:48.159
So she did make it to that or well she

933
00:49:48.239 --> 00:49:50.719
went to the church event. Oh oh, I thought she

934
00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:52.639
didn't make it because he didn't give her a ride.

935
00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:56.320
No so much give her a ride? No no, okay, okay, yeah,

936
00:49:56.480 --> 00:49:59.320
but she did go to this thing, this church event,

937
00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:01.960
and yeah, it was at Creek Canyon at the park

938
00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:05.960
there and so unfortunately, whether she was elsewhere and later

939
00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:09.000
moved Kreek Kanyon when her remains were found, like, none

940
00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:12.320
of this is public information. When the Utah County Sheriff

941
00:50:12.679 --> 00:50:16.000
Department took over the case, they've been less cooperative with

942
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:18.639
the public than the Provo Police department.

943
00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:19.199
Was.

944
00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:22.519
All they released with the autopsy was that for her

945
00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:25.880
teeth were knocked out, oh wow, meaning there was probably

946
00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:29.760
some sort of trauma inflicted to her face. But that's

947
00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:32.800
all they released. They didn't release anything else. For this reason,

948
00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:36.440
the Salagalla family hired a private investigator, Jason Jensen, to

949
00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:41.039
look into Elizabeth Sangado's case, and so he does update

950
00:50:41.119 --> 00:50:43.159
the family and the media every once in a while.

951
00:50:43.280 --> 00:50:45.280
So he was the one who found out that Elizabeth

952
00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:47.760
had attended a church event just four days before she

953
00:50:47.800 --> 00:50:50.960
went missing, and that this was at the park at

954
00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:54.079
the bottom of this creek canyon where her body was found.

955
00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:57.159
He's the one who made that public. Okay, he also

956
00:50:57.519 --> 00:50:59.760
shared that and this might be just like a non

957
00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:02.679
issue thing, but he wanted to like make it public anyway.

958
00:51:02.840 --> 00:51:04.760
So in March twenty twenty one, he says that his

959
00:51:04.840 --> 00:51:07.119
team found a penny right in the middle of where

960
00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:10.000
her body was found, and that this penny was sent

961
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:12.519
to a forensics lab by him, and that there was

962
00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:15.159
melodna found and of course, like it's a penny. I

963
00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:17.360
don't know anyone could have thrown it there. Yeah, I

964
00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:19.639
could just be there and it can be probably honestly

965
00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:23.000
probably not even related. Yeah, and he thinks it is.

966
00:51:23.320 --> 00:51:26.000
And then the sheriff's county says, no, we searched this

967
00:51:26.119 --> 00:51:28.880
area and the penny was not there, but it's he

968
00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:32.599
thinks it's suspicious that they didn't say anything until he

969
00:51:32.719 --> 00:51:35.159
says something like, you know, so I don't know it's

970
00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:37.039
and I think that's what happens when there's a lot

971
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:41.320
of like different eyes on the case. Yes, different eyes

972
00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:44.320
and then like one group withholding information and one group

973
00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:49.960
sharing information. Right, It's just sometimes pis are liars, so

974
00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:54.440
that too, like fame hungry whatever, you know. Yeah, the

975
00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:57.119
family fully trusts him and hopefully he's not shady like

976
00:51:57.239 --> 00:51:59.840
other pis have been known to like make shit up

977
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:04.559
and yeah. Yeah, so the still grieving family, you know,

978
00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:07.000
they don't have answers on what happened to Elizabeth, and

979
00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:10.440
then they got terrible news. Oh morning, okay, sorry, go ahead, Yeah,

980
00:52:10.599 --> 00:52:12.119
Oh what were you gonna say. I was just gonna

981
00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:14.079
ask if you can remind me what year it was

982
00:52:14.119 --> 00:52:17.840
when her body was found. Oh sorry, okay, twenty eighteen,

983
00:52:18.360 --> 00:52:21.119
twenty eighteen. Yeah, but so, you know, they're so grieving,

984
00:52:21.159 --> 00:52:23.480
they're still searching for answers on what happened to Alisabeth.

985
00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:28.199
And then they learned that Elizabeth's aunt, who also lives

986
00:52:28.239 --> 00:52:32.400
in the area, medium Judith Salgado, went missing in August

987
00:52:32.440 --> 00:52:35.519
twenty twenty one. How can this happen to two people

988
00:52:35.599 --> 00:52:38.199
in the same family and in the same area. Oh

989
00:52:38.239 --> 00:52:41.400
my god, that's too much for a family to handle,

990
00:52:41.679 --> 00:52:44.320
it really is. Her car was found not long after

991
00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:48.239
she went missing on sheep Bridge Road, which is not

992
00:52:48.760 --> 00:52:52.559
that far from where Elizabeth was found, about three miles

993
00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:56.920
south of Creek Canyon is this bridge, sheep Bridge Road,

994
00:52:57.079 --> 00:52:59.360
that's where her car was found, and there were no

995
00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:02.280
signs of her. And then on March twenty twenty three,

996
00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:05.679
police responded to a call about human remains in the

997
00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:09.480
area of Sheep Bridge, so again three miles south of

998
00:53:09.760 --> 00:53:14.880
Hubble Creek Canyon where Elizabeth was found, and so based

999
00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:18.159
on the belongings found on scene, they said, we suspect

1000
00:53:18.199 --> 00:53:20.360
that this is medium, and then a few days later

1001
00:53:20.480 --> 00:53:24.559
the autopsy confirmed it was medium. Salgado. The police did

1002
00:53:24.639 --> 00:53:29.159
say there was no suspicious circumstances in regards to her death,

1003
00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:33.119
but that the case was still under investigation. But I

1004
00:53:33.199 --> 00:53:35.760
mean like her car being found without her in it

1005
00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:39.760
and then her found later, Yeah, it was it years later,

1006
00:53:40.519 --> 00:53:43.559
in the months. Okay, sorry, oh no, sorry a couple years.

1007
00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:46.639
I knew it was years because I actually said thank you. Yeah,

1008
00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:49.519
I just looked at my notes again. Yeah, that's strange.

1009
00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:54.920
It is very strange, but also like it's two family members,

1010
00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:59.960
same area. Yeah, it's terrible for the family. This case

1011
00:54:00.199 --> 00:54:03.079
is apparently still in their investigation. There's no other news

1012
00:54:03.159 --> 00:54:07.239
on it. But yeah, another blow to a grieving family. Yeah,

1013
00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:11.960
and they were growing more and more upset with the investigation.

1014
00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:15.280
They requested that Elizabeth's body be sent to a different

1015
00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:18.280
lab who actually reached out to them that they have

1016
00:54:18.519 --> 00:54:22.320
like they can find more with certain tests or something

1017
00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:24.639
like that. But also like I mean, at this point,

1018
00:54:24.639 --> 00:54:29.559
they're probably desperate because the sheriff department isn't sharing any information. Yeah,

1019
00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:32.159
so they want her sent to a different lab, but

1020
00:54:32.320 --> 00:54:37.760
the Utah County Sheriff's office refused the request. They cleared

1021
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:40.599
her uncles again as suspects in twenty twenty two, even

1022
00:54:40.599 --> 00:54:44.719
though they had already been cleared by the Provo Police Department.

1023
00:54:45.079 --> 00:54:47.239
So I'm like, I don't know. I guess they wanted

1024
00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:51.280
to do their own investigation or redo everything. I don't know,

1025
00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:54.400
but the family is not happy. They they're not being

1026
00:54:54.440 --> 00:54:57.440
told what's going on. They want her sent somewhere else

1027
00:54:57.519 --> 00:54:59.880
for more test scene and you know a lot of

1028
00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:03.239
times tests are done and then like the sample was

1029
00:55:03.760 --> 00:55:06.880
so small that like the only one test could be run.

1030
00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:08.880
So it could be that they just don't have more

1031
00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:12.239
to send. I don't know, but they are more suspicious

1032
00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:16.760
because the police is more withholding the Sheriff's department. So

1033
00:55:17.119 --> 00:55:20.719
Jason Jensen, the private investigator, he shared a new lead.

1034
00:55:20.960 --> 00:55:23.719
There was a coworker of Elizabeth that came forward, and

1035
00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:26.199
he says that he thinks his coworker did something. But

1036
00:55:26.320 --> 00:55:29.039
there's no more information on this at least, like it's

1037
00:55:29.119 --> 00:55:31.559
not public. Jason Jensen, you know, like I said earlier,

1038
00:55:31.639 --> 00:55:33.880
he was the one who found out about the church

1039
00:55:33.960 --> 00:55:37.280
event four days earlier before she went missing, that was

1040
00:55:37.400 --> 00:55:40.280
at Hobble Creek Kenyon, and he and the family both

1041
00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:43.559
believe that there's something there, that that event has something

1042
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:46.679
to do with her going missing. But this was not

1043
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:48.760
the last time she was seen, right, It wasn't the

1044
00:55:48.800 --> 00:55:51.039
last time she was seeing But they believe there's a

1045
00:55:51.119 --> 00:55:55.280
connection and she was found there right exactly. He shares

1046
00:55:55.320 --> 00:55:57.639
that he found out she made plans to return to

1047
00:55:57.719 --> 00:56:01.559
the park with someone, like a date or something. So

1048
00:56:01.639 --> 00:56:03.840
they had been unable to find out who this was,

1049
00:56:04.639 --> 00:56:07.079
just that she had these plans and so that's why

1050
00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:10.000
they think this event and someone who was at the

1051
00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:13.480
event possibly has something to do or knows something. They

1052
00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:16.599
highly suspect her murder has something to do with whoever

1053
00:56:16.719 --> 00:56:19.280
she wasp was to meet after the church event, but

1054
00:56:19.480 --> 00:56:22.639
like today, to this day, her and her aunt's case

1055
00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:27.440
are both unsolved. Wow, and she was last seen. Elizabeth

1056
00:56:27.679 --> 00:56:30.760
was last seen wearing a red shirt, blue jeans, jean jacket,

1057
00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:32.880
tall boots. She was carrying a book bag with a

1058
00:56:32.960 --> 00:56:35.599
red strap. She was twenty six when she went missing.

1059
00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:39.199
She had long hair, long black hair, brown eyes. She

1060
00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:41.280
was between five four and five five. She would have

1061
00:56:41.760 --> 00:56:45.920
been seen last seen walking north from Provo Center Street.

1062
00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:50.119
Her family, Jason Jensen, and the police are all asking

1063
00:56:50.199 --> 00:56:53.239
people like if anyone was in the area between West

1064
00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:56.320
Center Street and twelve hundred North and saw a young

1065
00:56:56.440 --> 00:56:59.159
Mexican woman, and they would have seen anything, even if

1066
00:56:59.199 --> 00:57:01.239
it seemed like nothing at the time, Like you know,

1067
00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:04.039
they're urging people to think back and you know, trying

1068
00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:07.039
to remember anything if they saw her wave at someone,

1069
00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:09.960
run into someone, get into a car, anything even if

1070
00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:13.679
missing normal to contact the Utah County Sheriff Department at

1071
00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:17.559
eight zero one eight five to one four thousand or

1072
00:57:17.719 --> 00:57:22.079
Jason Jensen at eight zero one seven five nine two

1073
00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:24.280
two four eight. And I'm going to share these numbers

1074
00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:26.400
in the show notes. You never know who could have

1075
00:57:26.440 --> 00:57:30.000
been there, Yeah, could have seen literally anything her family

1076
00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:33.480
and Jason Jensen, they're both hopeful that either someone who

1077
00:57:33.519 --> 00:57:36.440
attended the specific church function that she was at at

1078
00:57:36.519 --> 00:57:39.599
Kelly Grove Park will remember anything, or even just someone

1079
00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:41.880
who was at the park that day. It's a busy park.

1080
00:57:42.079 --> 00:57:44.440
Someone could have information that is crucial to solve in

1081
00:57:44.480 --> 00:57:47.079
her case, anyone that took pictures that day or couldn't

1082
00:57:47.119 --> 00:57:50.000
recall anything about the day. It would have been April twelfth,

1083
00:57:50.159 --> 00:57:53.320
twenty fifteen, because it was four days before she went missing.

1084
00:57:53.519 --> 00:57:57.639
So Libertan Salgado, her mom, has been talking to the media,

1085
00:57:57.719 --> 00:58:00.440
has been very outspoken about her her daughter going and

1086
00:58:00.519 --> 00:58:02.159
she has said that one of the things that has

1087
00:58:02.239 --> 00:58:05.199
been more the most difficult is that her daughter chose

1088
00:58:05.320 --> 00:58:08.199
Provo because she felt she would be safe there, that

1089
00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:10.800
she she would have been surrounded by members of the

1090
00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:13.400
same faith, and that she believes that it was a

1091
00:58:13.519 --> 00:58:16.039
member of someone of that same faith that did this

1092
00:58:16.199 --> 00:58:18.920
to her daughter. And so she has said the following,

1093
00:58:19.039 --> 00:58:20.840
I am not going to surrender. I want to find

1094
00:58:20.840 --> 00:58:23.599
the killer. I want justice. I want justice. I have

1095
00:58:23.679 --> 00:58:26.440
been suffering for years and I will not be content

1096
00:58:26.719 --> 00:58:29.440
until the police find her killer. And that is the

1097
00:58:29.559 --> 00:58:33.719
case of Elisave Salgado. Wow, and it's just it's so like,

1098
00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:36.079
I can't say any better than her own mom said

1099
00:58:36.079 --> 00:58:39.639
it in her words, But it is truly, truly, just

1100
00:58:39.760 --> 00:58:43.360
so sad that she chose the city because she thought

1101
00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:45.519
it was safe, because a community would have been there

1102
00:58:45.639 --> 00:58:48.599
for her and you know, in her faith. Yeah, and

1103
00:58:48.840 --> 00:58:52.599
just not even a month, like literally eighteen days, yeah,

1104
00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:56.239
went by and she was never seen again. Like, yeah,

1105
00:58:56.400 --> 00:58:59.719
that's terrible. Very that is the end of my parents.

1106
00:59:00.639 --> 00:59:06.519
To be quick at break and we're back. This is

1107
00:59:06.559 --> 00:59:09.079
the part where we share speak you recommendations. Do you

1108
00:59:09.360 --> 00:59:13.920
have any Well I did already mention this book in

1109
00:59:14.519 --> 00:59:19.559
Issadia's Unknown, but yes, I recommend Killers of the Flower Moon.

1110
00:59:19.920 --> 00:59:23.400
I didn't read the regular version because my library only

1111
00:59:23.519 --> 00:59:27.400
had the version adopted for young readers. But it was

1112
00:59:27.440 --> 00:59:30.599
still good. It was still very interesting, very eye opening,

1113
00:59:30.920 --> 00:59:36.559
just truly horrible. The depths of white people in that

1114
00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:39.760
time truly horrific people, honestly, like and we know, right,

1115
00:59:39.800 --> 00:59:43.239
we know the history, we know the genocide and colonization,

1116
00:59:43.400 --> 00:59:45.559
and just you know, the book does not shine away

1117
00:59:45.679 --> 00:59:49.320
from talking about those things. And you know the role

1118
00:59:49.800 --> 00:59:52.639
that it had in white people believing they were Superior

1119
00:59:52.840 --> 00:59:55.920
from Indigenous People and yeah, I mean I just really

1120
00:59:56.039 --> 00:59:58.280
recommend that book and I hope to watch the movie

1121
00:59:58.320 --> 01:00:01.679
one day when I visit my friend who Apple TV. Yeah, yeah,

1122
01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:05.559
I don't have any speaky recommendations. I haven't been watching

1123
01:00:05.599 --> 01:00:10.000
anything new. I decided to finally watch X Files, so

1124
01:00:10.159 --> 01:00:13.159
I'm in season two now. Interesting. I never really watched

1125
01:00:13.199 --> 01:00:16.039
that either. Yeah, I didn't either, but MJ talked about

1126
01:00:16.079 --> 01:00:18.480
it so much Shadow, m Jay, we miss you, and

1127
01:00:18.519 --> 01:00:20.119
so I'm like, you know what, I'm finally gonna watch it.

1128
01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:25.000
And I love Molder, you know really the actor David Yeah,

1129
01:00:25.280 --> 01:00:29.000
I know we have different tastes, but I do love him. Yes, okay,

1130
01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:31.639
so I'm watching, well for both of them, they're both great.

1131
01:00:31.719 --> 01:00:34.960
So I'm watching. I like the actress, oh okay, yeah,

1132
01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:37.159
and she's amazing. I think she looks even better now

1133
01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:40.639
in her years now. I'm like, how is that possible? Seriously,

1134
01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:43.800
I wonder the same thing. She's truly truly gorgeous, like

1135
01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:48.480
I yeah, wow on oh sorry, I'm gonna go like

1136
01:00:48.559 --> 01:00:50.960
on a little side note, but have you heard all

1137
01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:53.719
of the rumors of the show and about them too

1138
01:00:54.280 --> 01:00:57.000
when it was filmy Yeah, I love that I don't

1139
01:00:57.159 --> 01:00:59.760
know that they hate each other, right, Okay, so no,

1140
01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:02.840
there was like they hated each other. But also apparently

1141
01:01:03.199 --> 01:01:05.440
so there's a there's uh I think it was like

1142
01:01:05.519 --> 01:01:07.639
the Empty Viewers or a show I don't remember what

1143
01:01:07.760 --> 01:01:10.920
award show that they're like they won, and so there's

1144
01:01:10.960 --> 01:01:14.239
a part like one of them wins. Who was it?

1145
01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:16.599
I think it was him, and then he like turns

1146
01:01:16.719 --> 01:01:18.599
to like hug her and then they like make out

1147
01:01:18.800 --> 01:01:22.079
in the audience and he goes to get some ward

1148
01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:24.719
like it was either in front of her husband or

1149
01:01:24.880 --> 01:01:27.079
his wife. Yeah, I think it was her husband if

1150
01:01:27.079 --> 01:01:30.000
I remember, yes, yes, Like it's just so funny that

1151
01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:31.920
they like hitted each other, but then they were like

1152
01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:35.039
hooking up and then like now when they talk, they

1153
01:01:35.159 --> 01:01:38.519
still they're like very close. They're very close friends. Still.

1154
01:01:39.639 --> 01:01:42.039
I saw this thread on Twitter that was like they

1155
01:01:42.119 --> 01:01:46.000
had the most like ridiculous, most freaky photo shoots, Like

1156
01:01:46.119 --> 01:01:48.639
if you look up photo shoots that they've been together, Yeah,

1157
01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:51.519
there's one where she's like standing on his shoulders, and

1158
01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:53.800
it just doesn't make sense for like the magazines that

1159
01:01:53.880 --> 01:01:57.320
they're like doing these photo shoots. So honestly, I just

1160
01:01:57.440 --> 01:01:59.760
I love the drama behind both of them and the

1161
01:01:59.800 --> 01:02:01.679
sh show, and so that's why I was like, I'm

1162
01:02:01.719 --> 01:02:03.880
gonna watch this more now, like I'm actually gonna try

1163
01:02:03.880 --> 01:02:05.960
and watch it because yeah, like we love cheese, man,

1164
01:02:06.079 --> 01:02:08.039
we love drama, and the cheese may between these two

1165
01:02:08.079 --> 01:02:11.000
and the drama was there, it was it was popping,

1166
01:02:11.199 --> 01:02:13.960
and so that was one of my main reasons for

1167
01:02:14.119 --> 01:02:16.920
wanting to watch The X Files. So maybe I'll watch

1168
01:02:16.960 --> 01:02:17.199
it too.

1169
01:02:17.440 --> 01:02:17.639
Yeah.

1170
01:02:17.800 --> 01:02:20.559
Yeah, it's fun. It's fun. I mean it's like, you know, creepy,

1171
01:02:20.800 --> 01:02:23.880
creepy topics and like I said, I love a cupaganda show.

1172
01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:26.679
Like I'm not gonna lie like I do criminal mind,

1173
01:02:27.320 --> 01:02:30.000
Like yeah, so this is this is a little better

1174
01:02:30.039 --> 01:02:33.679
because they are investigating the paranormal, right, and they're both hot,

1175
01:02:33.760 --> 01:02:36.079
like they were just like hot people. So I'm not

1176
01:02:36.159 --> 01:02:38.880
saying he's not hot. I'm just saying that he didn't

1177
01:02:38.920 --> 01:02:42.079
do it for me, Okay generally good looking man, yeah

1178
01:02:42.320 --> 01:02:45.039
for others, for others, not free for me. Yes, yeah

1179
01:02:45.079 --> 01:02:47.840
yeah yeah. So yeah, that's why I'm watching it. And

1180
01:02:48.000 --> 01:02:50.199
it's been great. It's been a great rite. I love it. Well,

1181
01:02:50.199 --> 01:02:52.559
I'm glad you're enjoying that. I am. I am and

1182
01:02:52.639 --> 01:02:54.679
there's a lot of seasons, so it's gonna keep me

1183
01:02:54.760 --> 01:02:56.239
busy for a while. What's my lou doing?

1184
01:02:56.440 --> 01:02:56.480
This?

1185
01:02:56.639 --> 01:02:59.599
Can't be comfortable. He's sitting but he has one arm

1186
01:02:59.679 --> 01:03:03.199
like this. He looks chilling. Just yeah, kind of. Oh

1187
01:03:03.440 --> 01:03:05.239
he's so cute. Okay, well, I guess this is a

1188
01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:08.679
good place to wrap up. We are finally recording our

1189
01:03:08.719 --> 01:03:11.320
book Club episode next week, so it'll be out the

1190
01:03:11.360 --> 01:03:15.000
week after that. What else will be recording that? It'll

1191
01:03:15.039 --> 01:03:17.880
be out next next week. Probably we'll announce our new

1192
01:03:17.880 --> 01:03:20.119
book then. But maybe should we just like tell everyone

1193
01:03:20.199 --> 01:03:21.960
we did pick it? We did? It was Being at

1194
01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:28.000
that right, Yes, Being at that by Leopold Sorry little

1195
01:03:29.239 --> 01:03:33.559
Lipold out goat No, sorry I did not its spelled

1196
01:03:33.639 --> 01:03:35.880
g g o U T. I thought there was an

1197
01:03:36.039 --> 01:03:38.679
L in there. Oh, anyway, that's the book being at that, Like,

1198
01:03:38.760 --> 01:03:40.840
there's no missing it. It's not a long book, so

1199
01:03:40.960 --> 01:03:44.239
maybe we'll get through it faster, you know. Yeah, I'm

1200
01:03:44.280 --> 01:03:47.239
gonna actually not start in a toy finish Love in

1201
01:03:47.320 --> 01:03:50.599
the Time of Cholera. I need to finish that. I'm

1202
01:03:50.639 --> 01:03:53.480
not starting it until we record our book Club episode

1203
01:03:53.559 --> 01:03:56.639
at least. So yes, that is the book, though, for

1204
01:03:56.719 --> 01:03:59.480
anyone that wants to get a head started, right, you

1205
01:03:59.519 --> 01:04:01.599
shouldn't because we take so long, but you know you

1206
01:04:01.679 --> 01:04:04.000
should not. Yeah, yeah, we'll do whatever you want. And

1207
01:04:04.079 --> 01:04:07.599
then what else? We should record a Patreon episode, an

1208
01:04:07.599 --> 01:04:10.360
actual Patreon episode same time too. We haven't done that.

1209
01:04:10.440 --> 01:04:13.000
Our last Patreon thing was our Denver vlog, which is

1210
01:04:13.039 --> 01:04:15.840
fun if anyone wants to check that out. Yeah, and

1211
01:04:16.719 --> 01:04:19.800
I'm gonna be making stickers. I made one or two

1212
01:04:19.840 --> 01:04:22.480
designs already to send out to the Patreon members, but

1213
01:04:22.559 --> 01:04:24.880
I probably won't send those out until a week next

1214
01:04:24.920 --> 01:04:27.880
week probably, so when this comes out, I'll probably probably

1215
01:04:27.960 --> 01:04:31.119
be sending them out. Any new listeners that maybe found

1216
01:04:31.559 --> 01:04:35.000
us because of my threads posts or you know, wherever

1217
01:04:35.239 --> 01:04:39.079
social media. Sometimes I try and promote you know, yeah,

1218
01:04:39.480 --> 01:04:42.679
so welcome. You know, if you stuck around. I did

1219
01:04:42.800 --> 01:04:45.880
see someone's message Kyrid. Are they say, oh I said

1220
01:04:45.920 --> 01:04:48.679
it to you today from last When this comes out,

1221
01:04:48.719 --> 01:04:49.880
it will be last week's episode.

1222
01:04:50.119 --> 01:04:50.280
Yes.

1223
01:04:50.440 --> 01:04:52.800
Yeah. They had commentation on the threads posts that I made,

1224
01:04:52.880 --> 01:04:54.920
just kind of introducing us. And we're like, hy, we're

1225
01:04:54.960 --> 01:04:56.960
the host of the Betels, Carmen and Christina. We're twins.

1226
01:04:57.000 --> 01:05:00.480
We're from Oakland slash modesto very generous and then I

1227
01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:02.159
posted a picture and a bunch of people found it,

1228
01:05:02.400 --> 01:05:05.760
and so one person today she tagged us on Threads

1229
01:05:05.800 --> 01:05:08.039
and said what she got out from the episode is

1230
01:05:08.079 --> 01:05:10.320
that she wants to hang out with Martha everywhere, Like

1231
01:05:10.360 --> 01:05:13.719
she's gonna take Martha everywhere. Shout out Martha, Shout out Martha.

1232
01:05:13.960 --> 01:05:17.039
She is super cool. I'm not gonna lie. She was fun.

1233
01:05:17.079 --> 01:05:19.559
I loved having her on. It was fun. It's very

1234
01:05:19.599 --> 01:05:23.119
scary stories. So yeah, anyone that found us through through

1235
01:05:23.360 --> 01:05:26.119
Threads in the past, you know a couple of weeks, welcome.

1236
01:05:26.320 --> 01:05:29.119
I hope that you enjoyed the episodes and that brings

1237
01:05:29.239 --> 01:05:33.000
us to the end of the episode. Thank you everyone.

1238
01:05:34.239 --> 01:05:37.800
And I don't know if you're ever in Baja California

1239
01:05:38.320 --> 01:05:41.440
and you're like on that road, make that voyage la

1240
01:05:41.960 --> 01:05:46.280
was it our Garitaita? Yes? Yeah, and go see her.

1241
01:05:46.679 --> 01:05:49.400
She deserves a trip. I want to go stay homage

1242
01:05:49.480 --> 01:05:55.000
to Yes, yes, and stay a spookybo Catch everyone next time.

1243
01:05:55.599 --> 01:05:56.280
Bye bye,