Nov. 28, 2025

Ecuador's Youngest Serial Killer: El Niño del Terror

Ecuador's Youngest Serial Killer: El Niño del Terror
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Juan Fernando Hermosa holds the record for being Ecuador’s youngest serial killer. At just 15 years old, he was arrested for murdering 22 people. Carmen and Cristina discuss this case, but first they read a listener story and end with spooky recs. Carmen's rec was the book Play Nice by Rachel Harrison and Cristina's was Guillermo Del Toro's debut film, Cronos.

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Hi, this is Christina and Carmen and this is another

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episode of a Spooky Tale. So podcast for all things

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is spooky, true crime, haunted Places, myths, legends in Latin America.

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Today just true crime because again we are in catchup mode.

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I need to do shorter episodes, so I think maybe

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we'll just do one in one for the rest of

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the new year to try that. Yeah. Yeah, and then

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in the new year we'll go back to our two

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each episode longer episodes. But yeah, so today we have, yeah,

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a true crime case and of course before that, a

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listener story. And if you have a story that you

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want to send us, you can email a Spooky toes

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at gmail dot com. You can DM us on any

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of our socials. You can call these Spooky Hotline. We

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got two calls to a call, so that's exciting. We'll

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listen to those on the next two. Yes, and let's see.

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Those are the many ways to get us to your stories.

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We love receiving them. And yeah, other than that, are

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you ready to read this listeners story? Am ready? All right? Okay,

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my name is Judy. I wrote before about the story

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about my reflection in the window smiling at me. Yes, Judy.

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We remember that was scary Judy. Yes. Anyways, I have

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another spooky recollection which happened in October. Every year for

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the past nine years, my two friends and I have

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gone to New Orleans. We act like corny tourists and

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do all the touristy things like plantation tours, cemetery tours,

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and sean trooms. Just for context, my friends are Caucasian

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and I'm Pacific Islanders, so we sometimes have different perspectives

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on things. Also, New or Lenks is still hot as

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tell in October, so I've heard. Oh I didn't know that.

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We went to the only nighttime plantation tour at the

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destrahanda plantation about thirty minutes outside of New Orleans. Our

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guide showed us how to properly use copper dowsing rods

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to communicate with the spirits. After her presentation and tore

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inside the quote big house, we were allowed to walk

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around the plantation to use the dowsing rods. My friends

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and I walked over to a huge oak tree and

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then it's like quote different friends. Okay, so friend says, oh,

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I can imagine children running up to this tree and

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plane on it. Me. Yeah, I'm sure there were kids here,

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but I'm sure they weren't playing on this tree. No,

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I get why, she said the the different perspectives. Yeah yeah,

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And me, being the jerk that I am, I took

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out my dozing rock, my dowsing rots to prove I'm right,

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and I asked something like are you a child? And

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the rod swung open, which is a no, there's something

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bad happened to you here at this tree and the

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rods crossed, which is a yes. I was like, yeah,

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that's what I thought. Suddenly a gust of wind blew

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our hair back and it got instantly cold and we

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ran away. Wow. Wow, creepy wow, but also serve as

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your friend, right, No, right, she deserved that a little bit.

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This ghost. No, no, I love this for this ghost.

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Like they were like, let me correct the record here. Yeah,

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no one was playing on this street. So yeah, that

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was a great paranormal moment, okay. And so, like we said,

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today is a true crime case, only no paranormal other

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than the listener story. So Juan Fernando Elmosa holds the

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record for being Aguador's youngest serial killer at just fifteen

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years old. Jan Edmosa was arrested for murdering twenty two people.

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But let's start at the very beginning. Okaysa was born

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on February twenty eight, nineteen seventy six, in the city

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of Shushufindi in the Los Rios Province of Equalor, which

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is in Ecuador's coastal region, and during the first few

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months of his life he lived with his mom and

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his older sister in a very dangerous neighborhood called Babaoyo.

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His mom worked as a laundry lady, but barely made

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enough to feed the family. Yeah seeing no other choice,

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she gave Juan up for adoption when he was just

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a year and two months old, and so he was

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adopted by Olivo at Masa Fonseca and Soila Amala Suarez Mahia,

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a well loved couple who owned multiple properties in the

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Sukumbyos Province of Ecuador, and after the adoption, Olivo moved

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the family to Quito, where they lived in a neighborhood

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in the northeastern part of the city. Olivo apparently did

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not play a huge role in Juan's upbringing because he

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was working, and this work consisted of traveling a lot

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back and forth from Quito to Sukumbio's. He was a

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working man man. Don't look at the children, not during

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this time. No, no, come on, we just started doing that. Yeah,

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they just started doing that in twenty twenty. And this

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left Soula, who was deaf and suffered from arthritis, to

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raise Juan. Unfortunately, she was not able to control or

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like maybe discipline Juan that well, and apparently at a

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very early age he showed those quote unquote classic signs

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of a serial killer. Interesting. Interesting, I'm always like interested

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when I hear that, because I'm like, Okay, yes, this

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just how insight looking back, like exactly, I wonder the

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same thing usually when people say this, because it's like

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because also I think, I feel like I remember learning

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within the past four years or so that the quote

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unquote classic signs of a circular I think that's been debunked,

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at least not the whole thing, but I remember, like

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you know how they say like wet bed wedding is

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like a symptom part of the quote unquote triad. I

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think that's been debunked. I want to say it has,

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but I don't remember off the top of them. I

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feel like I wand like reading that, hearing that somewhere,

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you know. Yeah, and then there's actually a lot more

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you know, traits and stuff. Yeah, but those classic classic

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signs are usually wedding, the better and early age using time. Animals, Yeah,

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aggression to animals. Oh my god, what's the other one?

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What like an absent father? I do not remember head injuries? Injuries?

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That was because there's the three classic ones, and then

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there's more, let's see. Hold on, So animal cruelty, fire setting,

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and persistent bedwetting, passestor, and age. And they're known as

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the McDonald tread, which I only remembered as a tread.

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But yeah, I remember, I remember this has been debunked.

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Is there anything about it being debunked. Yeah, it's been

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largely debunked as a as a reliable predictor of violent behavior.

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And so many people exhibit these behaviors and never have

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any issues any violence later on. And a lot of

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times these things had to do with trauma and dysfunctional

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upbringing them homes more than being signed. Quote times it

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was socio bad. So I just want to spread misinformation

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and spread sigma stigmatization of these behaviors and whatnot, you know,

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exactly so. Reportedly, at just seven years old, Plant began

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to kill small animals he found in the neighborhood. He

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tortured cats, cut their heads off, and in front of

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his classmates and teachers, would drink their blood. Yeah. I

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wonder how much of urban myth or like my mythology like,

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I don't know is that I am. I have a

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hard time believing that's true. But I don't know what

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people have said about him. I'm sure they imagine that

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to be true. I would hope, I would hope that

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it wasn't true. Yeah, this is what people are saying

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that he was doing at seven years old, but that

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would be that would be wild if the other stuff

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aren't actual signs of someone that's going to do I mean,

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this is for sure. A few times he also left

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a cat's head on his teachers and principles desks, and

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so he was expelled from school. Understandable, and obviously that's

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a big you know, YI, to say the least, you

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didn't want to generalize those behaviors as Yeah, I think

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for him, maybe it was true, no exactly, but in general,

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people who do these things doesn't necessarily mean they will

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go on to become serial killers, or that they're sociopads

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and whatnot, you know what I mean. Right, but for him,

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but you know, in this case, yeah, it could be true,

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could be true.

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Yeah.

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By age ten, he was robbing stores, mugging people on

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the streets. He frequented the bars, casinos and clubs. Who

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let this child into these places? Well, his mom couldn't

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do much with her disability. These places could be like father,

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Oh not even parents. These places could turn down a child. No,

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you're right, these places should not have let him in. Yeah.

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And by the age of fifteen, he led a gang

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of ten teenagers who would hang out near a video

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game store in the Gheitto neighborhood of Lamarine And then

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the killing spree began. So at fifteen, right, yeah, So

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this all led up to its first murder, which happened

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on the night of November twenty second, nineteen ninety two.

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On this night, Juan and four of his friends left

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the club in the neighborhood of Puente del Guambra. Once

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they stopped at the street Avenue tenth of August, they

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flagged down a taxi and when the taxi driver stopped

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in front of the group, Huan, without reason, pulled out

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a nine millimeters pistol and shot the driver in the head,

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killing him instantly. Oh my God. One of his friends

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then drove the taxi driver's vehicle to the southeastern part

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of the city and disposed of his body in the

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Los Chillos valley, where it was found by the police

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the next day. And this marked the beginning of Juan's

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killing spree, which went on for four months. Wow. The

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next murder happened the following week when Huan went to

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get a haircut at a salon in the southern part

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of Quito. While at the salon, Huan Guy's haircut by Charlie,

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a known trans woman whom Juan often visited for a haircut.

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Juance crew then arrived and everyone, including Charlie, began to drink.

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Charlie then invited the crew over to their place to

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continue drinking. As the night continued and argument broke out

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between the crew and Charlie, Huan then pulled out his

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pistol and shot Charlie five times, ignoring their pleas for help. Wow.

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From then on, the murders mostly occurred on the weekend

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and caused the lives of eight taxi drivers, eleven members

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of the LGBTQ community, a truck driver and three other individuals. Wow.

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Also this insane something. It's like he was deliberately targeting

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members of the lgbt Q community and taxi drivers the most. Yeah,

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the city was gripped by fear and it caused panic.

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Am the taxi driver community and the LGBTQ communities. Of course,

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of course, of course. I mean, yeah, my eight of

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your peers have died. You're like, fuck, do I continue

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driving this taxi or not?

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Right?

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And LGBTQ people can't even stop, like you know what

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I mean that taxi drivers could get other jobs. I

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imagine though this is hard obviously, you know, especially that's

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your you know, I don't know, lifelong job or whatever,

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but it's a job. It's not like your identity and

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who you are and your sexual orientation, like that's right. Yeah.

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In response to this, Quito's mayor, Fausto te Bustillos, formed

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an investigative squad to look into the murders. He called

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the group COI, which stood for Centre Dea. The group

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consisted of the mayor's brother, He was a retired general,

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Francisco Paco Tehran and two officials from another city and

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four officials from Gquito, Okay. Then answer. The group gathered

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in a private room at the top of a government

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building that was guarded at all times to avoid any

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possible informants from excessing information that could help the stair killer.

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I guess that makes sense, like they don't know who

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it is, right, they don't know who to trust. Yeah.

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According to Mayor Taran, a ninth murder happened as soon

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as the squad was formed. The group had to respond

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to reports of a murdered taxi driver who had been

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shot twice in the head and twice in the chest

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and left in the outskirts of the city, and soon

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two additional murders occurred before the first truck driver was killed.

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I don't understand that. Two more murders happened, and then

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the first truck driver was killed, So the ninth murder happened,

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and then two more murders happened, and then a truck

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driver who had been the first truck driver killed. Yeah. Sorry,

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it's because I was like the first. If there's been

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these other people dying, how was he the first taxi drivers? Yes,

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not the same as a truck driver exactly. That's where

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I was. That's where my confusion happened. Yeah, I see,

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I see. When the group arrived at the truck driver's

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murder scene, they found a note. That's new. They found

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a note on a on the truck's windshield that read,

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first were the taxi drivers, and then it was the homosexuals,

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and then the truck drivers. Investigators, better be careful. That

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is so odd. Yeah, that I mean, obviously all of

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this is like our behavior to be doing in the

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first place. But to leave a note you mean, killing, Yes, Like,

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that's not you know, what's accepted within the norms of society. Yes,

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of course, no, I know, because I want to I

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want to focus on this note. Why, Like, yeah, I

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I it's it's weird, for sure. I mean, I guess

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we're like we said before, he was deliberately targeting these

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groups of people. And the only thing I can imagine

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is taxi drivers are sort of easy targets to a

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serial killer because they're picking up people all the time, right,

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that's true. It's not homosexuals because they're discarded by society,

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you know what I mean. Truck drivers, I don't know,

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maybe because they're on the road a long time. They

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pick up hitchhikers. I'm not sure, right, yeah. In a

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documentary about the murders, Danan said he felt extreme pressure

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from several officials, including the president, as a number of

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victims increased rapidly. To increase their chances of getting of

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gathering intel, the group of investigators rented taxis and posts

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as cab drivers while they monitored the streets, and then

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investigators began to turn over a new leaf when one

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day they were informed that a taxi driver had killed

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a civilian and taken off. A further look into the

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incident concluded that the taxi driver was actually the victim

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and he had been killed by a group of men

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who ran off with his car. Okay, so I guess

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the initial report came in saying, oh, a tax driver

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killed some guy, but he was the victim, yeah, and

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they took off with his car. DNA collected at the

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scene was sent to the lab for testing, and tests

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concluded that the evidence matched evidence found out another crime

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scene where a taxi driver had also been killed. So

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they're connecting dots here and it's like, Okay, someone killed

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both these text drivers. A few nights later, the group

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got a lucky break. Whentedan's brother, Francisco, heard shots in

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the neighborhood of Garapungo and was able to find it

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where the shooting came from, and according to Francisco, a

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man driving a taxi had done the shooting. So he,

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along with other officers, followed this man in his taxi.

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When they attempted to pull the taxi over, the driver

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stopped the car and he and another group of men

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and ran out of the car and they ran different directions, scattered.

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Everyone got away. We're saying men here, but these are boys, right,

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this is his gang. Yeah, he's fifteen and he has

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a little gag of teenagers. Yeah, but I guess when

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detectives are seeing that's taking place, they're just saying men

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because yeah, they didn't know, Yeah, they didn't know these

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were teenagers. So everyone got away except fourteen year old

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Louis Annibal, who refused to speak with investigators after his arrest.

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Which is his right? I was gonna say, which is

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his right? Actually, I don't know the rights in where

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is this again, Peru? Okay, they have similar rights, right, right.

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No one knew where Louis had been taken. So when

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his uncle showed up asking about his nephew's arrest, Tnan

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used the opportunity to get more information about the teen

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who was not being helpful. Okay, So they're like, hey,

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we'll tell you where is that if you help us out.

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So Luis's uncle told Tehran that he had heard his

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nephew had been arrested for walking around drunk and he

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had shown up to look for him to help Luc's mom,

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who was raising him alone. And apparently the uncle said

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that Louise is gay and he was known to hang

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out with other LGBTQ residents of the city. Now I'm wondering,

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and so Tan I was like, hold on, okay, what

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because a serial killer had been known for targeting taxi

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drivers and members of the LGBTQ community. And I like,

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Tehran is like wait a minute, I'm like, hold on,

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what's going on? Yeah, Three teenagers also showed up asking

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for Louise. The teenagers told officials that they were his

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school friends, but investigators were suspicious of their story and

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they trot them. They followed them around, okay, And so

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I don't know who's I'm sorry, I just we're going

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to find out together who is guilty here. I know

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we're going to find out together, but I'm intrigued. Yes,

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investigators believe they were onto something, so they set up

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a sting operation. They had an officer just up as

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a taxi driver and offer the teens a ride. The

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teens asked the fake taxi driver to take them to

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a club name the Vibrations, what a name and while

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and while on the way to the club, the officer

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heard the teens talk about Louise. The information got back

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to Tehran, who then showed up at the club and

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was determined to arrest the teens for what. I don't

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know what. The information was right right. He decided to

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offer the fake taxi driver more money for a ride,

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hoping that the teens would react in a way that

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would try to instigate the teens, hoping that they would

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do something to then, you know, be arrested, like a

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reason he'll give for a reason. So he doesn't have

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a reason. You're trying to give them a reason to yeah,

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to arrest he doesn't have a reason. Yet the plan worked.

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The team that got angry and that Dana was trying

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to steal their taxi. Basically and he pulled out a

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knife and then tried to attack the officer posing as

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a tax driver. Okay, wild overreaction a little bit. I'm

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sure there's other taxis. Yeah, And so the rest of

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the group also tried to attack the taxi driver and

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they were apprehended, and from that incident, ten teams were arrested.

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This was on January thirteenth, nineteen ninety two. They were

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taking in processed and interrogated and they were each told

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they were looking at possibly twenty years in jail. But

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this group didn't fold. They knew the rule don't talk.

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Leave the fifth or whatever the equivalent to the fifth

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is in equalor I was gonna, says niche just get stitches.

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But yes, okay, yeah, that's too. Louise was the only

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one who at first said he only knew things based

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on rumors. He only knew rumors, and he didn't give

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the police anything concrete. And so then they the investigators

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got frustrated and they put him in the same room

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as sixteen year old Milton, and he was ready. Milton

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was ready to spell the truth so he could be released.

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He was he was going to do the tucking. He

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was going to snitch. Yeah, yeah, Milton that louis like,

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just say the truth, man, come on, come on, man,

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I just want to get out of here. And so

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eventually they both confessed that fifteen year old Juan Fernando

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Mossuarez was the only one responsible for the murders, and

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they both had admitted to being scared of Juan, who

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threatened to kill them and their families if anyone ever spoke. Okay,

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I could see that they're young and they're seeing this

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person doing all these things. Yeah, they're not going to

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want to talk because they're scared of him. I'm wondering though,

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and I don't know. I mean, maybe we'll find out.

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But can't they still be charged with like being an

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accessory to this or is it no? Because he was

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threatening them but there's so many of them, Yeah, there's

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one of him. Yeah, and they were all a lot

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of them were in the car or in the taxis

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when he was doing these things. Because this isn't they

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didn't say anything, right, This wasn't the first incident where

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they saw a group of like quote unquote men running

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out of a taxi after a murder. So it's interesting

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as part of the deal with the officers. Milton told

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the investigators where Juan lived and how investigators could find him. So,

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with the help of special forces, on January fourteenth, nineteen

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eighty two, at around two am, armed officers arride at

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Juan's home. As they were getting ready to raid the home,

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Kuan woke up and threw a grenade outside his window.

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Why does he have grenades? Well, I'm sure you can

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get anything in the black market, I guess. Wow. And

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so then a wall fell and he fell on some

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other officers. Oh wow. And then he picked up his gun.

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Juan picked up his gun and went on the run. Okay. Unfortunately,

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during the chaos, officers saw a body move on a bed,

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and they mistook Huan's fifty year old mother for Juan

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and shot her multiple times. Oh my god. And let's

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remember Sola, the mom. She's deaf, she can't hear. This

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is terrible. Yeah. So she didn't even know what's happening,

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and she died from multiple guns. Oh my. Juan then

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ambushed officers. Oh so he was nearby. He never left.

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He ran up to his roof and he shot at

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them from his roof. But eventually, though, he turned himself

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in when he realized he was around. There was no

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way out, not this time. No officials planned a big

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press conference after they captured Huan, and they invited all

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members of the press, including international journalists. I would imagine

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at this point this maybe was a big story air

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national news. Yeah. Yeah. In preparation for the press conference,

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officers gave Juan a list with the names of everyone

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he was charged with killing. Hello, Hello, this is future editing, Christina.

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I just wanted to chime in here and say that

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we tried and searched and searched for a list of

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names of his victims, and we can't find a single

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one other than the name Charlie, who we know was

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the hairdresser and one of his first victims. So unfortunately

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we don't know the names of anyone of the twenty

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two people that he was said to have murdered. Okay,

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back to the episode, and during the press conference, Juan

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showed no remorse and journalists as well as the public

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were shocked to see that a very small referral child

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had been behind the four month merg Speedma Like they

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were like, this is a young, frail looking boy. Yeah,

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very wild and in front of the press Juan said,

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My intention wasn't to kill, but sometimes it got to

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a certain point where I would tell them taxi drivers

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that this is as far as the ride was going

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to go, and they would try to fight back and

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take my gun away, so I would react and shoot them.

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Why was your gun out on the first place? One,

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that's a good question. You don't point it at anyone

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unless your intention is to kill them. And then he

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also told the reporters that he murdered taxi drivers because

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they were abusive. So he said many, because many taxi

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drivers are abusive in many ways and they've offended me.

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Oh wow, wow. Yeah, he hates tax drivers clearly, No,

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clearly I was this whole time. I was like, what

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was the reason? But there's his reason for charging more? Yeah,

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that was his reason. Wow. So then the media they

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gave him a nickname, as they do. Yeah, they tend

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to do fitting I think. Yeah. So then after the

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press conference, investigators continued to question Quan to find a motive,

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like what the hell? People want to know? People want answers. Yeah,

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And so Kwan recounted the murder scenes without remorse, and

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he painted a vivid picture for the investigators. He admitted

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that his gang would rob cars and take them for

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joy rides or use them to rob stores before abandoning

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the car. He admitted he shot a taxi driver once

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because the driver made fun of him for asking to

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be dropped off at a safer location than was originally

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agreed to, and so this set him off. Well, according

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to Kuan, the texti driver called him the F word,

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like a homophobic slur. Yeah, and that's at him off. Okay,

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maybe that makes sense as to also how he was

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killing members of the LGBTQ community. Yeah, that's what I

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was going to say right now to Juan also admitted

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to pain officers, including someone named Officer Pucicella, who who

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said to have provided Kuan with twenty five bullets every

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fifteen days, So he was paying officers for bullets. Apparently,

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come on, Officer Pucicella. Juan also told that on that

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a high ranking commander hired him to kill a taxi

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driver who had reportedly raped that commander's daughter, which I

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led to her dying by suicide. I have no words. Wow,

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I'm yeah, I'm floored. Wow. And so then they started

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to investigate the commander understandable and down the rabbit hole

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they went, only to find out that Juan made that

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story up. Juan, I never believe them. I believed Huan.

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Oh my god, this is why we're not investigators. Of course,

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like Juan, I'm gonna let you go.

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You're doing a servant. So apparently he he got this

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from the newspaper. He knew about the death of the commanders.

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He made the rest the newspaper, and he made the

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dude in an interview. Of course he's the sorry. Of

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course he's a liar and a scoundrel like you. Yeah,

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I mean he's a serial killer. They lie. In an interview,

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Kuan's adoptive father said everything changed when Quan turned seven

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and when his sister Gloria told them the truth about

448
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his adoption. And obviously not all adoptive kids adopted people

449
00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:18.519
become violent once they learned about their adoptions. But in general,

450
00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:21.640
it's a good idea for people who are adopted to

451
00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:24.000
always know they were adopted and to not hide the

452
00:29:24.079 --> 00:29:25.880
truth and then do a big reveal or they find

453
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:29.319
out accidentally, because obviously that causes issues. Right, I was

454
00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:31.920
going to say, surely this would bring on some sort

455
00:29:31.960 --> 00:29:37.799
of feelings of betrayal, resentment, and anger, and also it's

456
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:43.000
a tust. Yes, it seems that maybe the sister wasn't

457
00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:45.559
supposed to tell him at this point, and maybe to

458
00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:51.039
him randomly could be so. Quan said that after that,

459
00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:54.960
Kuan became rebellious and he didn't listen to them anymore.

460
00:29:55.759 --> 00:29:59.759
Kuan eventually stood a trial and was sentenced to sentence

461
00:29:59.799 --> 00:30:03.160
to four years in prison, the maximum that could be

462
00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:06.359
given to a minor at that time. Wow, listen, we

463
00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:11.039
both don't believe in the prison in the incarceral system.

464
00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:16.799
That's not a word. What'd you say, incarcerle carceral, carceral, No,

465
00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:21.880
in incarcerated, That's exactly what I was thinking. But this

466
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:24.039
is this is someone that we have, is a system

467
00:30:24.079 --> 00:30:27.319
that is in place in so many places, and so

468
00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:31.519
because that's the system that exists, that's not enough time

469
00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:39.160
all the caveats to say, yeah, four years, Like, I'm

470
00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:41.480
surprised that they didn't say, we know he's a minor,

471
00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:44.240
but we're treating him as an adult. I'm surprised too.

472
00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:45.799
I feel like, I don't know, maybe that's not a

473
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:49.960
thing there, yeah, or if it is now, it wasn't

474
00:30:50.039 --> 00:30:53.359
back then. Here they would have definitely charged him with

475
00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:58.319
adult for sure, no doubt about it. Yeah. So he

476
00:30:58.519 --> 00:31:03.279
was sent to a juvenile detention center. But before he

477
00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:07.400
went to the detention center, he did swear he was

478
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:10.640
going to kill some of the investigators. So, qua Quan,

479
00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:14.039
four years is nothing like you should have thanked them. Well,

480
00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:18.440
he didn't last the four years. Oh god. He escaped

481
00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:22.480
jail four months later with the help of a girlfriend

482
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:26.559
who snuck in a pistol for him. Hua girlfriend girlfriend

483
00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:29.839
and Kwan, Yeah, you killed twenty two people. You cann't

484
00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:33.480
do the time, you can do the four years. And

485
00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:36.480
so Quan used that pistol to shoot one of the

486
00:31:36.599 --> 00:31:40.000
officers who tried to stop him. Quan then he fled

487
00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:44.400
to Columbia. Oh my god. But he was recaptured three

488
00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:47.960
months later. Okay, and then what given another four years?

489
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:51.880
Let's see. Well, he was released in nineteen ninety six

490
00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:56.519
and he moved back in with his dad and Okay,

491
00:31:56.519 --> 00:31:59.759
a few days before his twentieth birthday, he was found dead.

492
00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:04.599
Oh wow. Yeah. Huan's body was found on the banks

493
00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:08.440
of a river by farmers who said the body was unrecognizable.

494
00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:13.039
Oh and the police were able to identify him as

495
00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:17.079
Huan by looking at his ID card, and so the

496
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:21.319
police said that Juan had been stabbed multiple times with

497
00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:26.400
a machete and shot. Oh my god, and five people

498
00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:35.079
were arrested for his murder. Wow, this went so many places.

499
00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:42.440
I didn't think it was going to go. Yeah, like yeah,

500
00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:45.680
and it seems that maybe someone didn't like him be

501
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:48.519
now I don't know. And they took some I mean

502
00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:54.759
one of the twenty two people. There's plenty unfortunately. Yeah,

503
00:32:55.559 --> 00:33:00.160
I wanted find maybe who knows, who knows? But wow, wow,

504
00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:04.319
what a what a case. I can't believe. Again, I

505
00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:05.720
think there's so many of these worlds, like I can't

506
00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:10.559
believe ID and heard this, but yeah, wow, Well I

507
00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:12.960
guess with that we'll take a break here and come

508
00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:24.680
back with spooky recommendations. Okay, do you have any spooky recommendations? Okay,

509
00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:30.039
I listened to an audiobook play Nice by Rachel Harrison,

510
00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:34.559
and I have recommended Rachel Harrison books before. I think

511
00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:36.960
last time I recommended one, it was Cackle, which is

512
00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:41.240
like a witchy story. Yes, I don't know. I like

513
00:33:41.319 --> 00:33:43.319
her books. I don't know. Some people complain about them.

514
00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:46.640
I have yet to read one, but they're on my lists.

515
00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:48.480
But I feel like, if you liked it, I like,

516
00:33:48.759 --> 00:33:50.920
I like it. Oh, you have it. Every time I

517
00:33:51.079 --> 00:33:53.440
say that I like one, You're like, I'm going to

518
00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:57.400
read it. Oh, I don't know why. I was like

519
00:33:57.680 --> 00:34:00.400
after the Bewitching, I was just in a reading I

520
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:03.319
borrowed like other two or three books that I just

521
00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:07.839
didn't finish, And you haven't even finished The Possession of You.

522
00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:11.880
I hadn't started it. I actually started it. Uh oh,

523
00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:15.079
probably a week ago, and I'm like halfway through now

524
00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:19.800
frank and Stein. I finished Frankenstein the audiobook because it's

525
00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:22.880
so short, and that was like, okay, I can read again.

526
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:25.480
And then I watched the movie and then I felt

527
00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:29.559
like interested in reading again, so I am. I finally

528
00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:33.280
started The Possession of the Ass. Yes. Wow, you weren't

529
00:34:33.280 --> 00:34:35.920
in a slump for sure. So and I'm actually reading it.

530
00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:37.079
I'm not listening to it.

531
00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:37.280
Oh.

532
00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:43.119
I read it not ago and I finished it. And

533
00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:45.639
then I had borrowed the audiobook, and then I had

534
00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:49.840
a bunch of other audiobooks that I was my holds

535
00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:52.039
were coming through, and then I never got around to

536
00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:54.039
listening to it. So I haven't listened to it either.

537
00:34:55.320 --> 00:35:01.920
But anyway, play nice. It's about an influencer. Well, it's

538
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:07.280
for three or four siblings that I remember. Sisters, Yeah, siblings, yes,

539
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:12.639
actually already did. I added to our sibling horror topic

540
00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:17.079
or whatever that we were talking about on Patreon and anyway,

541
00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:20.280
So they grew up in a haunted house, at a

542
00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:25.280
house that their mom said was haunted, but everyone else says,

543
00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:27.559
including their dad, says their mom was crazy and was

544
00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:31.039
abusing them, and so the dad ended up getting full

545
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:35.039
custody of them. And after he got full custody of them,

546
00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:37.960
the mom uh basically has not been in their lives.

547
00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:40.599
And then she dies and then they inherit the house.

548
00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:44.239
And the main character, Cleo, is the youngest one, and

549
00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:47.360
she she is the one kind of like trying to

550
00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:50.280
renovate the house and more willing to kind of like,

551
00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:53.679
the mom wrote a book also sorry about the Haunted House,

552
00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:57.039
and the other girls have never read it because they refused.

553
00:35:57.079 --> 00:36:00.280
They were older, they experienced more, and they were used

554
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:02.679
to even believe or hear the mom out at all.

555
00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:06.039
And the youngest one is willing to hear her out,

556
00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:08.559
and so that's kind of what it's about. Like basically,

557
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:12.960
the Hunted House yes, potentially there's a demon in the house,

558
00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:20.559
but also about the abusive you know relationship, the relationship

559
00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:24.639
with the mom, and the dynamic between the sisters, which

560
00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:29.159
I love. I enjoyed it. This sounds fun. Yeah, a lot.

561
00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:31.719
It to my long list of her books that I

562
00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:37.199
still need to read. That was there for your speaker recommendation. Okay,

563
00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:42.880
my speaker recommendation is chronos By the movie. Sorry movie.

564
00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:44.280
I was gonna say it like it was a book

565
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:51.719
in chronos By, but no, Chronos it's GI's debut as

566
00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:55.000
a director. Really, I didn't know that. Yeah, it came

567
00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:56.639
out in Oh, I don't want to be wrong. I

568
00:36:56.719 --> 00:36:59.920
want to say nineteen ninety two. Yes, it came out

569
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:07.280
in nineteen ninety two. And so Chronos. It's a vampire movie,

570
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:11.400
but it's also it's also a holiday movie. It's also

571
00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:14.360
a Christmas movie. I need to watch this in the

572
00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:18.239
sense that it's happening around Christmas time. Okay, Yeah, and

573
00:37:18.559 --> 00:37:22.679
you know throughout the movie there's very Christmasy looking background scene.

574
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:26.239
I love that. Yeah, so add that to your Christmas

575
00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:31.119
movie watch list. Chronos. But it's it's a twist on

576
00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:33.719
the vampire story, you know how vampires is usually like

577
00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:39.000
a young but like hundreds of years old vampire. This

578
00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:43.480
is the opposite of that. Interesting. I mean, a sweet

579
00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:50.400
grandpa who becomes a vampire. What through chronos, this little

580
00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:57.039
old thing made by an alchemist centuries and centuries ago,

581
00:37:57.159 --> 00:38:01.159
like literally during colonization. Basically, this alchemist was around and

582
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:02.880
was like kicked out of Spain and he had to

583
00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:10.199
go to to work on his wacky experiments because he

584
00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:12.920
was doing the work of the devil essentially, and so

585
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:15.519
he is the one who found or made this this

586
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:20.880
Chrono's device work, and this gives you the ability to

587
00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:24.920
live forever really, and so yeah, this sweet old little

588
00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:29.480
becomes a vampire essentially. It's I mean, everyone knows it's

589
00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:31.679
a vampire movie, so I'm not spoiling anything. And it's

590
00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:34.480
also such an old movie. But yeah, when Frankenzein came out,

591
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:37.760
I wanted to go back and like watch all the

592
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:41.760
movies that I haven't seen. There's so many. I don't

593
00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:43.119
even know if I had, I think I have only

594
00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:49.320
seen Pacific Rim, which is a sci fi You didn't know,

595
00:38:49.400 --> 00:38:51.599
he Yeah, that's the only one I've seen, because I

596
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:54.480
don't even think have we seen pants Labyrinth. No, I

597
00:38:54.519 --> 00:38:56.760
have never seen it. Okay, if you haven't seen it,

598
00:38:56.840 --> 00:38:58.239
I haven't seen it either. I don't know if you

599
00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:01.960
watch it without me. No, I've never seen Honestly, I

600
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:04.360
don't think i've seen any of I've never watched. What's

601
00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:07.920
the other one that's popular? Oh, The Shape of Water. Oh,

602
00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:11.159
I just watched that last week. I've been renting it

603
00:39:11.199 --> 00:39:13.840
from my favorite place in the world, Scarecrow Video, And

604
00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:16.320
so yeah, now that's what I'm diving into all of

605
00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:19.320
his work. And they have a little their green shelves

606
00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:21.639
are all directors, and so they have all of his

607
00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:23.400
movies all in a row, and I'm just every week

608
00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:25.280
I go back and grab the other one. So they

609
00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:27.360
have a whole shelf of Justice movies that they have.

610
00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:29.280
They have their green shelves is like, and they have

611
00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:32.400
sections and it's sectioned off by directors and so there's

612
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:34.360
like you get a little Doro section where they have

613
00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:36.440
a lot of movies. But yeah, I watched The Shape

614
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:40.519
of Water. That was it was good. I don't really

615
00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:44.159
like romance movies, but this was like romance with a

616
00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:47.840
twist of horror. Oh, it's not technically a horror movie.

617
00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:52.480
It was like a romance fantasy. Okay, but of course,

618
00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:55.800
so there's gonna be spooky vibes and there no matter what. Yeah,

619
00:39:56.519 --> 00:40:00.840
and there was. That was a great movie. I enjoyed it. Beautiful,

620
00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:06.679
beautiful movie. But no, I'm talking about Kronos. Wait, which

621
00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:08.400
one are you talking about right now? Right now? The

622
00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:12.400
Shape of Water? Oh that was a romance fantasy. Yeah, okay,

623
00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:15.679
yeah I did. I think I need that. Yeah, but yeah,

624
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:19.360
Chronos his debut worth watching, especially if you like watch

625
00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:22.280
Frankenstein and you loved it. Like we've been saying all

626
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:24.320
of his I think we said it in the Patreon

627
00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:27.760
episode that we recorded about Patreon or about Frankenstein for Patreon,

628
00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:30.079
that all of his he said, and a bunch of

629
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:32.360
in nerviews, that all of his work was leading up

630
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:35.079
to Frankenstein. And you could even see that in Chronos,

631
00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:41.320
like the typical Gio tropes that we see and even

632
00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:44.559
Frankenstein now that are polished and like, you know, so

633
00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:49.679
well done. They're in Chronos like the body horror is there,

634
00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:52.880
like the whole thing with bugs or insects that he

635
00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:57.920
you know, like butterflies, like just like bugs. Warning, there

636
00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:02.000
is cockroaches in Cronos so, oh, I'm not gonna watch it.

637
00:41:03.239 --> 00:41:05.639
Watching it and I was like, I can't. I think

638
00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:07.920
I I was watching it. We were driving down from

639
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:10.760
Seattle to Vancouver, and I was wentual on my laptop

640
00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:13.000
and like, literally within the first few seconds on the movie,

641
00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:15.679
you can see That's why, you know, if they ever

642
00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:19.559
made a movie of the Unworthy, I I don't think

643
00:41:19.599 --> 00:41:22.800
I could watch it because, yeah, cockroaches. If if someone

644
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:24.800
had told me there's cockroaches, I don't think I could

645
00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:28.039
watch it. But I didn't know, so warning there is

646
00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:31.920
KOs yeah, and I was I was like, ah, and

647
00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:36.480
poor Kyle was driving and he's like, I'm like, there's

648
00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:42.639
a cockroach in the movie. He's like, yeah, they're coming

649
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:46.880
out of the statue. Is disgusting. Nope, I can't watch that.

650
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:50.039
I'm trying to say, I will never watch that movie. Okay,

651
00:41:50.719 --> 00:41:53.960
understandable honestly, but no, it's so good. But if someone

652
00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:56.079
edits out, you know how, sorry, but you know how

653
00:41:56.119 --> 00:41:58.440
they you know what I'll do for you, Carman. You'll

654
00:41:58.519 --> 00:42:02.000
edit out all the cockroach scenes, yes, and I'll send

655
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:03.519
it to you. That's what I was gonna say that

656
00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:06.039
if someone edits down, there has to be a cockroach

657
00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:10.800
free version. I will make a cockroach PG versions of

658
00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:13.599
like The Office and like popular stuff that you know,

659
00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:18.159
the Christian fundamentalist watch right, like a version like that,

660
00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:22.360
but cockroach free. Then I'll watch that. Okay, yes, I'll

661
00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:26.480
do that for you. Cool. Anyway, I love Day. I

662
00:42:26.599 --> 00:42:30.679
loved it. It's such a beautiful story and really in

663
00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:33.320
the end, I think the lesson is that death is

664
00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:36.239
a gift, which is such a Mexican thing. I was

665
00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:40.960
just gonna say that, Wow, our minds. And that's not

666
00:42:41.079 --> 00:42:44.119
just saying like obviously if you lose a love when

667
00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:45.840
you're going to warn them, But I think it goes

668
00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:48.920
as a whole as like a Mexican society with like

669
00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:53.280
things like the Almuertos and like or just a fascination

670
00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:56.880
with them a cob like it's very fitting with that

671
00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:01.400
type of thing, you know. So yeah, it's it's a

672
00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:04.679
great movie. I enjoyed it. Some might say it's his

673
00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:07.320
weakest work because it was his first one. Oh I

674
00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:10.719
mean I think that makes sense. I enjoyed it. Nonetheless, Yeah,

675
00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:13.719
it was still it's still such a great watch. And

676
00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:18.119
Ron Peerlman, do you know Ron Peerlman. I'm sure we saw. Okay,

677
00:43:18.519 --> 00:43:20.639
he's in this and he's so funny in it. He's

678
00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:26.719
so funny in it. He's he's like in Mexico. I

679
00:43:26.760 --> 00:43:29.280
don't know what business him and his father have in Mexico,

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but you know, Nafta takes help. It is some sort

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of factory. Maybe it's a mechila, I don't know. I

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don't remember, but they have some business there. And he

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hates being in Mexico. He hates it and he's so

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like white about it. And it's so funny. But this

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was intentional, this character for sure. Yeah, I see, yeah,

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but no, it's it's so it's so fun to watch.

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And oh, I like so many movies have like kids

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in them. This has a kid too, and like all

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of his movies, she's amazing. Oh he never misses with

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the kid actors. They're always so good and she is wonderful.

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Like it's it's it's a good movie. I highly recommend it.

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And yeah, I guess this brings us to the end

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of the episode. Yes, this does bring us to the

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end of the episode. Yeah, I don't know. Don't trust

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one and I'm just kidding. But no, Well, so tie

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you to our listeners. Story don't go to a plantation

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in your leans and tell the ghosts that they played

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there in the trees, or they will haunt you exactly exactly,

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