A Haunted Stadium and Murder in Lolol, Chile

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Hi, everyone, This is Christina
and Carmen. Carmen, I put it

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down, I did it before.
Sorry. I was about to drink a

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sip of my coffee and then Christina
start introducing us, even though we had

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agreed that we're going to start.
Yeah, and you still so. I

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guess it was my fault. It
was your fault. Yeah. Anyway,

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this is a Spooky Tells, the
podcast for all things spooky and sometimes true

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crime, sometimes both, and that's
what we're doing today. It's going to

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be a depressing episode. Throwing that
out out there right now. I'm sorry.

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Before we get into our depressing topics. I have a listener story and

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also attach a void notes and email
it. We have a couple that we're

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going to be listening to over the
next few episodes because lately we've been getting

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more voice stories instead of emails or
not emails. But like written out,

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I love guy, you know I
mean too, I love that for us.

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So are you ready to listen to
this one? M all right?

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One? Two, three? Plays
Hey and Spooky. I love listening to

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you guys. I'm a truck driver
and I just be on the road just

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laughing and getting a little spooked out. And I love how you guys are

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so real about topics that are going
on in the world, like speak that

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truth, because yeah, everybody needs
to hear the shoes. So anyways,

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I hope it doesn't cut off.
But I had when I was little,

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I used to have, well I
still have like really scary dreams, like

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about demon and the devil, and
I'm always falling to God in my dreams,

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like I don't know what is going
on about that. But when I

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was little, I lived in a
story house and I lived upstairs, and

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I had a dream where it was
like a newscast and they were talking about

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like what was going on and everything, and then they said, in further

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news, Tracy, there's monstage in
your backyard, and I was like,

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I was so scared. I woke
up and I went downstairs and looked in

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my backyard and I looked at the
swings, and the swings were like moving

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back and forth so fast, and
there was no wind or anything, and

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I got scared. But yeah,
that's my story helping scared you a little

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bit by it did. Oh my
god, that was terrifying. The voice

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scared me. Yeah, the wow, Oh my god. I love her

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the way she delivered the story and
everything she said though what Yeah, no,

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true, I loved it, but
that was creepy scary. The delivery

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of the message in her dream really
scary. I can't I can't do voices

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like that, so uh voice acting
much right, But waking up and then

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seeing the swings moving, Oh my
god. Yeah that's scary. That just

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like solidifies the nightmare you had is
real. Yeah. It reminds me of

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the last time we recorded and I
told you about my friend's experience. That

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was so scary. I almost screamed, as did I when she told me.

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And you said that in the episode, you said the scream you scrumped.

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Yeah. Yeah, they meant every
every scrump. Yeah, that was

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so scary. Thank you so much
for sending that in. Again, I

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love the voice messages because you get
to hear people's like short stories yes yea,

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and their own voices. I love
that too. People have the best,

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like accents, the best like what
are it like? Tone? Not

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tone, but like intonation? Is
that a word? That's not a word.

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I think is the way you're safe
thing? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

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that's a good yeah, I guess. Yeah that's accent, isn't it?

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Okay? Oh yeah, and their
accent well everything that makes you you.

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Everyone is perfect and special. Well
not perfect, but you know,

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see, but special. Yes,
I just loved it. I loved it

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me too. Okay, So do
you want to start out our their breasting

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topic today? Yeah? So I'm
assuming we're talking about Chile as a whole,

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not as a whole, but a
lot of topics, both the haunting

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story and that true crime story are
from Chile. Yes, okay, so

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I'm going to be talking about a
haunted stadium in Chile and soccer stadiums.

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You've talked about them on the pod
before. I recall it. But also

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I don't Steca. Oh yeah,
yeah, Stariasteca. And I'll never forget

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that I got attacked on TikTok really
I said it was it was my fault,

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can you say? Because obviously it's
America, the soccer team, it's

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their stadium. And another team borrows
the stadium, and I said it was

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the other team, not Man.
Yeah, that I got attacked. You've

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always been an America hater first of
all, though, so I think you

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did it subconsciously. I think you're
right, and as a former and I

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say former because I'm not into soccer, but if I was, I would

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be an America fan. And I
don't even know how I started to be

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an America fan because our family,
our family is split because everyone everyone except

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Recipes, our grandfather, yeah,
and our cousin Christian, And it was

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for Atlas and then everyone else loved
America because of me. I almost feel

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like she did it on purpose,
that she got all the kids. Oh

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I didn't. I didn't realize who
was the America fan and how that started.

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I didn't know that and I and
I don't even know how that happened,

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because well, it's only right as
her namesake that I am also in

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America a former America fan. That's
true. You guys are both cadmins.

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You're the only cadmans. So yeah, anyway, that's how that started.

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And so yeah, I think you're
right that I subconsciously left out America on

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purpose and then yeah, I got
a tagged as you deserve. I don't

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remember. I'm gonna have to re
listen because I don't remember that. This

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must have been a while ago,
because I made the story on TikTok to

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correspond with the release of the episode. But in the episode I said the

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right, So it's just on TikTok
and yeah, one of the least forgiving

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platform. And man, some of
these Mexican men were like, you stupid

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bitch. Oh too much. No, but of course Mexican men go there,

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you know. Yeah, yeah,
anyway, anyway, okay, yeah,

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back to a haunted stadium in Chile. So stadiums soccer stadiums iconic throughout

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Latin America and even meccas for passionate
soccer fans all over the world. Stadiums

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like Azteca in Mexico City, Maracana
and Brazil, and Centennardio and Uruguay have

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hosted legendary soccer games throughout history that
include the first World Cup final in nineteen

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sixty eight to the more recent twenty
fourteen World Cup Final. But some stadiums

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in Latin America also possess a sinister
past, a darker energy for some reason.

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I want to say, like sinistry, like ministry. Interesting. Yeah,

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that's not a word, is it? No, it's not okay.

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One of the most popular stadiums,
Elstadio Nacional Julio martinezrads O Catsup, Catch

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my bro in Santiago, Chile,
is said to have that dark energy surrounding

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it, probably due to the country. It's a dark past for those of

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you that know about South American history. It's not a surprise why the stadium

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was completed by nineteen thirty eight,
and by nineteen sixty two it had already

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hosted a World Cup final. There
were at least seventy one hundred fans that

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watched Brazil beat Checkos seventy Is it
seventy hundred or seventy thousand? That's why

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I pause, Should I leave at
it or cut it? Seventy hundred thousand?

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Seventy thousand? I think I write
hundred. I thinks that sounds okay.

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Let me preface this because Carmen and
I are terrible at numbers. I

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believe we have this, this calcolia, this caw cool. I can't say

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the word. You're right, it's
a ten thousand because seventy hundred number.

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No, it's not. I was
like, that sounds so wrong. Anyway,

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we can't read numbers. We suck
a math. But do you see

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how long I pause was I'm like
that sounds wrong. Yeah, no,

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I know, And that's why I
had to burst in and be like,

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that's not an that's not right right, As everyone knows, I am math

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illiterate, which is what Lena said. We have the dyslexia of maths.

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Yeah, it's a real thing.
I promise, I'm sure, I believe

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you. And it co exists with
ADHD many many times. And uh,

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this explains why we were seniors in
algebra where we're the only seniors in algebra

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after going through pre algebra ONEBRA two
up to like eight or some shit.

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Yeah. Anyway, point is you
said the number wrong? Okay? Yeah.

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There were at least seventy thousand fans
that watched Brazil be Czechoslovakia three to

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one, but by nineteen seventy three, the stadium's glory days were in its

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past. A military coup did away
with Chile's first elected socialist president, Yes

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and in the process turned the stadium
into a political prisoner camp. When US

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backed military dictator Agusto Pino. She
came into power, he began to round

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up Chileans who supported or worked for
the previous socialist government. And we're not

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going to get much into that,
but if you're interested in topics like that,

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then you can check out our other
podcasts Estoia's Unknown and where we talk

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about Latin American history and it often
involves dictatorships koops where socially or democratically elected

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officials are overthrown with the help of
the US. Yeah. Yeah, US

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involvement in Latin America causing massacre,
decade of horrific conditions. Yes, yes,

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yes, And if you're into that, and if that's your jam,

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then check out estodia is Unknown,
where we will cover it as much as

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much as we can. Yeah.
Yeah, So those who survived witnessed atrocities

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inside the stadium's walls. Records say
about forty one prisoners were murdered in the

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stadium while was the prison camp for
eight weeks, but there's no official record

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saying how many prisoners were held at
the stadium. The American Red Cross estimates

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that over eleven thousand Chileans went through
the prison camp at some point. Sorry,

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I had to hold back a laugh
because I was gonna say eleven hundred

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again, oh god, oh god, but I didn't. I said it

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right, good job, good job, thank you. Little Sammy and my

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two year old he would say good
job. And I highly appreciate that.

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I put my shoes on and he
told me good job. I love that.

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I want to go up there and
do something right, just so he

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tells me good job. He will, and he will. Some survivors have

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told news outlets that they were beaten, blindfolded, electrocuted, and given cigarette

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burns. Felippe Aguero spoke with New
York Times reporter David Walstein in twenty fifteen.

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He told The Times that he remembered
being held underground at gunpoint and being

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told to remain silent. F FI
officials inspected the stadium after the Soviet Union

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refused to play a qualifying match against
chilean the stadium because of reports that the

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stadium was a place of blood.
He said, we wanted to yell out

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and say hey, we're here,
look at us. But they seemed only

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interested in the condition of the grass. Did they know people were down there?

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No? Right, they like suspected, okay, but but there was

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no and it's it's not like Chilean
officials were going to let them go look

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either, So but I get it, like exactly, Yeah, and they

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had the backing of the US.
Yeah, and then him and the rest

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of the prisoners hearing people and like
trying to call out for the attention,

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the helplessness and terror they must have
felt. Truly, it's it's horrifying,

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I meanan. Some of the worst
worse human violations, human rights violations occurred

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in Chile during this time, yeah, which you went a little bit into

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it when we talked about adoptions in
Chile, yeah, and ours known episode,

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but not fully into it because man, it's it's terrible. Yeah,

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but yeah, all of the disappeared
also led to a bunch of children being

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left without parents, which also fostered
a you know, corruption in the adoption

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industry, which we talk about in
that episode. So, survivors also witnessed

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several prisoners get killed by firing squads
journalists. Aloud fo Coo Sie, the

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journalist told the documentary he witnessed a
man being tied up, hung and beaten

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like a punching bag and eventually noticed
that the man was dead when he no

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longer heard him screaming terrible. Yeah. In nineteen eighty seven, during the

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final years of the Pinochet regime,
Pope John Paul the Second celebrated mass at

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the stadium and, against popular advice, called the stadium a place of pain

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and suffering. The Pinochet dictatorship ended
in nineteen ninety and since then the stadium

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has been restored to an entertainment venue
where it's public, where the public can

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go see soccer match and concerts.
But the stadium's dark path still haunts it

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Today. It's known as Anestadio de
la morte, the stadium of death,

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and it's not surprising their ghost stories
about it. There's a section of seats

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in the stadiums that are never filled. They're left empty as a memorial to

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those who were detained during the Pinochet
regime. The words unbl memorial is unueblos

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in futuro. A people without memory
is a people without feature. And that's

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a sentiment or phrase so common and
often said over and over again all over

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Latin America because of the you know, horrible dictatorships perpetrated or propped up by

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the United States. Yes, yes, yes, one hundred percent and it's

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the reason that other governments in power
right now are trying to forget about the

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past, to tell everyone to move
on, because if you don't know the

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past, and you don't know the
atrocities that have occurred in the past,

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then you're not worried about what's happening
now because you don't have anything to compare

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it to. Right. Yeah,
we as we often talk about ober at

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about yes, and I don't know
if you've been on the if you mentioned

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our strong hatred of bule In is
booky toes? I don't think so.

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So hopefully there's no booklet stands listening. I hope not, because if you

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I mean, if you know the
passive and if you are, I hope

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that you see the light. Yeah, no, really, really really go

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check out our three part series over
at Known so that you know what we're

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talking about. Because this quote in
the stadium in Chile, it it resonates

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because it's true and it's it can
the said kid, oh my god,

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sorry, I can't talk. The
same can be said here so many s

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words in one sentence. And there's
a reason why people don't want us to

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learn about the real history of the
United States and why they label the real

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history of the United States as anti
American. Yeah, which is ridiculous,

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aunty, But anyway, that's a
that's it, that's its a known topic.

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We're so full of reds today.
I'm so sorry. We're gonna get

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a bunch of one star reviews.
But I'm okay. Back to the ghost

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story. Yes, back to the
ghost story. But everything is political now,

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I mean, yeah, even ghost
stories. But you've talked about this

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plenty of times. But it's true. We have talked about how many,

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many, many ghost stories, legends, myths we know today stem from atrocities

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in the past. Colonialism, yes, yeah, yeah, colonialism, Okay,

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never getting off that horse. No
we're not. Some employees who work

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after hours say they've seen large shadows. Wonder. Sorry, god, cannot

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read today, Oh my god,
No I can read, I just can't

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talk. You're right, I just
kept pronoun brain. It's like your brain

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is saying it right, but out
of your mouth everything's wrong. So disconnect

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between my mouth and my brain.
There really is there, always has been,

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because we have adhd Okay. Some
employees who work after hours say they

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see large shadows, wonder, wander, wander, wander There you go,

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they seen lunch shadows and wander the
stadium's quarters. Sorry, I keep laughing

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because earlier I couldn't pronounce the word
corridors, and I still said it all

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right down. No, we were
practicing the corridors. Good job, Sammy

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would say, good job. Or
they've seen ghosts appear and disappear from the

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stadium's walls. You know, I
didn't learn how to pronounce words right in

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my master's program. Now. Sorry, school never taught me how to pronounce

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anything. They didn't tell me how
to say wander. No, But you

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know there's some words that sorry in
other rants. You know how there's some

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words that you read and you've read
them for your whole life. Oh yeah,

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you never heard anyone say them,
and so then when you say it

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out loud, someone's like, what
the fuck did you just say? Yeah,

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that happens along anyway, go on. Sorry. Locals passing by the

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stadium also claim that they've heard screams
coming from inside the stadium long after the

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venue has emptied out. Some just
get an eerie feeling looking at the preserved

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wooden seating area behind the north goal
that was left there to memorialize the lives

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that were lost at the stadium and
the pain that many suffered within the stadium's

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walls. Whilsting, the New York
Times reporter said the following about the preserved

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wooden area in the stadium, it
is really a ghostly place. When there's

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a game there and Chili's playing,
and it's packed, and everybody's screaming and

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yelling, and they're all excited,
and the lights are on and all the

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focuses, you know, bright lights
on the field, and then you look

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over there behind one of the goals. It's a very small section and it's

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lit up in this kind of yellow
light, and it's just a very somber,

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haunting image. And Christina found this
story about the stadium on the Chilasabread

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in Spanish. It was posted two
years ago by user Yaali Damn. I

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don't have any good stories, but
here's something. When I was about eleven

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years old, I was with my
cousin older than me about three or four

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years at the stadium, and at
that time I wasn't clear about everything that

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had happened there. I always only
saw the empty chairs in the stands,

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but we were wandering around the a
hall inside the stadium, a place that

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was almost always dark, and there
was really almost no one at the level

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of the court. We entered a
narrow hallway with doors on the side and

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one at the end. My cousin
went to the last door on the side.

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I was behind him, I'd remember
why. But he grabbed the handle

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of that door in an attempt to
try to open it without forcing it or

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anything, and obviously it didn't open. He left his hand on the handle.

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I just watched him, and suddenly
this guy started running. He was

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terrified. I managed to grab his
shirt so I wouldn't be left there alone,

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since I didn't run that fast.
Smart that was me, not the

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sorry. After we after we got
quite far away, he told me that

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he had felt someone turn the handle
from the other side and he got scared.

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I don't have a way to check
if he was screening me or if

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he really felt that, but until
today he insisted it was real. Well,

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considering his reaction, I'm sure it
was real. Yeah, yeah,

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And like sure it could have really
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just the whole the way everything happened, how it was quiet, they were

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like almost no one is here,
then yeah, it would have been.

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I would have been scared, regardless
of it being a ghost or really a

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person trying to turn the doorknob with
a chatitor or something. Yeah. Yeah,

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it would have scared either way.
Yeah yeah, all right, Carmen,

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Well, thanks for your story.
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if a story about dictatorship and human
rights to be dictator, yeah, isn't

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the president enough. On top of
that, I found a depressing true crime

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story from Chile. Great, yeah, fantastic. So this takes place in

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Lololo, Chile, and it's not
really a town. It's more of a

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commune. It's like a small pueblo
if that. It's a population of less

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than six thousand people. It is
in the gold Chagua Province of Chile,

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about two and a half hours south
of Santiago, the capital of Chile.

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I'm the only town I'm familiar with
or the only city I'm familiar with in

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Chile. No, I know,
like a few more, but if I

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looked at a map, I'm like, oh, yeah, that's Santiago.

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Yeah. So it was a peaceful
area known for its historical sites like the

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cathedral in the center of Lolol,
and it remained peaceful, at least until

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the summer of twenty twelve, when
one man brought an unknown terror to the

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small town, and that man was
Oscar Lopez Rodriguez. So. Oscar Lopez

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Rodriguez was born on the first of
November in nineteen seventy two. His parents

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were Oscar del Garmin Lopez Reya and
Oswaldina de las Rosas Rodriguez s pin Nosa.

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Oh my god, I love her
names. Right. There's not much

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about his childhood out there that is
known, but as an adult, neighbors

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said that he was violent and lonely. At twenty, he married Sandra Andre

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Poblet Gaiete. I just love all
these long names. Oh so I love

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her name. Yes, yeah,
I love saying them. They had a

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son in nineteen ninety two, and
then they divorced in twenty eleven. And

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just like some things that people said
about him in the news after everything took

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place. He was he had an
unkempt look, a beard, long hair.

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He dressed as anime characters. You
know how Latinos will love to hate

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on anime, they do. They
anyone who likes anime automatically possessed by the

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demon. Yeah, by that demon, I was gonna say devil, and

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I said demon instead. All I
heard some of his neighbors believed he was

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part of a Satanic sect of course. Yeah, but he also called himself

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a messenger of God. Well,
you know, Lucifer was an angel first

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true true. They also called him
a hippie. And hippie is how they

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referred to him. Okay, probably
the long hair, unkempt look. Yeah,

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because of the long hair, beard
and his use of mote. I'm

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just kidding. Oh yeah, a
lot of a lot of marijuana use.

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Yes. So in nineteen ninety seven, he he left his family and moved

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to Los Bordos, which is another
small town. It's in the same region

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as Lolol, just a few miles
away. Then he moved again to Los

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Roblez, which is right next to
Lolol, like six kilometers away. There

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he was part of what they called
an ecological community with fifteen members. So

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cold, Okay, I'll let you
go on anyway. It was Christian based,

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okay, cool, for sure.
They made everything there, they carewer,

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everything was self sustaining, so yeah, one could label it as a

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cult. No one knows why.
But he was kicked out of his commune

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in two thousand and nine, and
this is when he moved to Las Palmas,

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which is another small town. But
it's all these towns have different names,

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but they're like they bleed into each
other almost. So this one was

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like three kilometers from Lolol, from
the center of Lolol, so really it

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was like he was in Lolol.
Yeah, so he moved around a lot

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when he was there. Eventually he
moved to a house that was in front

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of the Loloo Firefighters Bureau. And
in this house he opened an antique shop.

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And really he would go around town
on his bike collecting things that he

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could restore, and sometimes they were
antiques. And he was actually known for

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riding around his bike with his dog
Valentine standing on the bike. Wow,

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there's pictures of this. It's actually
quite adorable. If you didn't know he

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was cute, but who this was
yeah, yeah, yeah, and you

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know, here people had like a
different description of him than the other places.

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They found him to be a modest, hardworking man. He rescued repaired

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antiques. A lot of rich people
on tourists made up a lot of his

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customer base, but it was really
also like a small scrap yard. There

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was some valuable antiques, but also
just random things people might need, and

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so it was. It was weird
because some people said he was like modest,

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hardworking, but he was also known
to have a bad temper, and

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people just they thought he was weird
but not dangerous. Yeah, why did

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that make sense? Because a lot
of times we'd think of like murderers and

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whatever as solely bad people, but
that sound was never really the case,

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you know, like there's no true
evil people. Everyone exists like in multitudes,

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you know what I mean. Yeah, you're so right. He was

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known to walk around saying things that
made no sense, and a lot of

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these things sounded violent. He would
say, I'm got to cut his head

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off and wear it to the cemetery, you know, just okay, these

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little phrases. He also carried stories
around with him, and neighbors would see

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him wielding the swords like he was
in a fight, like in a sword

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fight, but like nobody was in
front of him. Well obviously he got

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that from anime, but okay not
Yeah, he was watching a routou and

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no, was he running like that
too? Yes? Probably, I don't

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know. We all know when I'm
talking about, you know, the weird

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kid from school who put his arms
behind him but straight and then ran head

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forward. I love that you so
to describe it. I mean, we

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all know what the room was like. Yes he probably did, I'm not

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sure. But he did carry swords
with him and would fight invisible enemies and

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they were an extension of his arms. Okay, go on, I can't

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Okay, So he for these things
he did and said he became the town's

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lokito. They called him a lokito, which yeah, it's offensive. Yeah,

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this is what they do in Latin
America, like our dad. There

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was a person they called it lokito
too in Santado where he lived. And

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yeah, everyone has. I think
a person who maybe has some mental health

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issues, doesn't have anywhere to live, lives on the streets and you know

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this person and you're like, yeah, they're a little not there, but

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they're not violent like everyone knows who
they are. Certainly we saw a share

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of them, you know, by
our dad's shop in Oakland, right,

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So that's what people knew him as. Like he was eloquito. But he

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wasn't dangerous. He was he was
just who he was, harmless but weird,

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and he had a useful store that
people went to. He also said

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his dog Valentine was gonna save the
world and was chosen by God. I

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mean that could be true, that
could be true. Yeah, uh yeah.

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People just you know, they didn't
think he was saitrous, like I

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said. So, even though most
of Oscar's clients were tourists or rich people,

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Lolo residents still went to his shop
for random things because he had a

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lot of things in his shop,
right, And one of these residents was

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Juandre Nera. Juan was born in
Lolone in nineteen fifty six. He lived

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there his entire life. He worked
as a farmer. Everyone called theo.

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He was loved or when he was
respected. He was a good, hard

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working man. So on July tenth, twenty twelve, Juandrene told his wife

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he was going to go over to
Oscar's shop. He needed an iron rod

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and he also wanted this old table
that Oscar had there, so he went,

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but he failed to return by dinner
time, and so his wife was

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super worried. She called and called
and he was an answering so she spent

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the night looking for him. Still
there was no sign of him anywhere.

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In the morning, she tried calling
him again. This time his phone was

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silenced after two rings, so someone
had his phone. Yeah, So she

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went to the Lololo police department.
She filed a missus person's report on the

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next day, the eleventh of July, and several people had seen him talking

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to Oscar. They knew that's where
he was headed to his shop and that's

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where he was last seen. But
for some unknown reason, police sat on

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this information didn't do anything. On
the eleventh in the morning when Juanna's wife

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reported him missing, they like,
didn't go over to his shop. Nothing.

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So then on the twelve someone else
visited Oscott's shop. Her name was

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Maria Josere yes more more m O
O R E more. Anyway, she

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00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:29.839
was a pe teacher from Vita Kura, a town in the Santiago Metropoli.

406
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:34.599
I can never say this word.
Metropolitan, metropolitan, thank you, yes,

407
00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:38.359
yeah, you're right, Metropolitan region. I just needed to hear it

408
00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:45.680
once. Her friends and family called
her as a nickname, and she was

409
00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:48.720
loved by everyone too. Her students
says she was a special teacher. She

410
00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:52.519
like really cared about them. She
did everything she could for her students.

411
00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:57.200
She did leave teaching in two thousand
and seven to be with her kids more.

412
00:31:57.720 --> 00:32:05.240
But then she started part time for
Colegio El Golf in her hometown and

413
00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:09.200
she started a program called La Academia
and this program was dedicated to help high

414
00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:15.240
school students with special educational needs join
the workforce, so really wholesome work.

415
00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:20.759
Clearly, she was an amazing person. Yeah. On July twelve, twenty

416
00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:25.359
twelve, she was traveling with her
fifteen year old daughter and nineteen year old

417
00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:30.880
son. They were headed to Fundo
Grelena, which is another small Puelo pass

418
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:36.519
lo lol. They were heading that
way for the summer break. They had

419
00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:39.519
family there and the rest of her
family, so her husband and her other

420
00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:44.559
children were behind them in another car. They were also doing remodeling in their

421
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:49.119
home and they decided to stop at
Oscar's shop just to look at what he

422
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:52.279
had. Maybe he had something they
needed for the remodeling, right, so

423
00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:57.880
her son stayed in the van.
He was like parking while they pulled into

424
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:02.319
one four five los Letkes Street.
This is where Oscart's shop was. He

425
00:33:02.359 --> 00:33:07.359
stayed behind the van parking. Maria
and her daughter headed inside. Less than

426
00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:13.000
five minutes later, for no reason
at all, without any provocation at all,

427
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:20.160
Oscard pulled Maria Josa's hair and stabbed
her. Maria's daughter ran outside of

428
00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:23.720
the shop to her brother, screaming
for him to help. He ran to

429
00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:29.079
the shop and they both saw us
Oscot continued to stab their mother. Oh

430
00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:35.559
my god. They ran out of
the shop yelling, oh, they're killing

431
00:33:35.599 --> 00:33:39.160
her mom. And then it was
the streets were crowded because it was the

432
00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:44.599
summertime, so there was a policeman
walking nearby, and they found him right

433
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:47.359
away. He ran back with them. He was Sergeant Felippe Gonzalez. He

434
00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:51.960
followed them to the shop and when
they got there they were met with a

435
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:58.759
horrifying, horrifying scene. It was
Oscard. He was holding Mariajosa's head like

436
00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:04.279
a trophy. Oh my god,
oh god, horrific. Turns out,

437
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:09.320
while they ran for help, Oscar
had dragged Madiat to a She was already

438
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:14.360
extremely injured she was weak from multiple
stab wounds, so he dragged her,

439
00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:17.800
sat her against the tree trunk and
cut her head off with the nax,

440
00:34:20.119 --> 00:34:25.760
all this while they were looking for
help. So Sergeant Philippe ordered Oscott to

441
00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:30.679
like stop. He fired twice into
the air as a warning, but Oscard

442
00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:36.719
grabbed the axe and he charged at
the sergeant, and so the sergeant felt

443
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:39.440
like he had no choice but to
fire at Oscard, killing him. Wow.

444
00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:45.039
And when Juandrey and his wife saw
this all over the news, because

445
00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:50.559
it like it stopped the whole country. This was like a big deal,

446
00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:54.440
I'm sure, so it was being
reported everywhere. She called the police again

447
00:34:54.599 --> 00:35:00.159
to remind them that her missing husband
was last seen at Oscot's shop. So

448
00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:09.559
then finally the Laboratorio Crimini criminalistica caros
A mouthful, Yeah, the Cariveneros is

449
00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:14.679
what police are called over there,
I guess. Interesting. So carivin Nero's

450
00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:22.480
laboratory of Criminology inspected the crime scene
and they found Juan Wow at Oscar's shop.

451
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:25.360
There was also a suspicion that he
Oscar had been kicked out of his

452
00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:30.519
commune because he had killed a man
named Manuel Fuen Salida Pina, who had

453
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:36.880
disappeared and was last seen talking with
Oscar. Also, I didn't write this

454
00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:43.480
down for some reason. But on
Juan d there was no They never found

455
00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:49.000
out why he was killed. There
was no reason. But they suspect that

456
00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:54.880
maybe when Maria had gotten there,
maybe she saw Juan or something, because

457
00:35:54.880 --> 00:36:00.960
he was shallowly buried when they found
him, so they suspect that maybe she

458
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:06.239
saw him said something and that's what
provoked her attack. But still it's not

459
00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:09.360
They have no idea why Kuan was
killed. That he was just found there

460
00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:15.599
as well. After the investigation,
psychologists deemed Oscar as having had a psychotic

461
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:20.440
break and that he could possibly have
been schizophrenic, but there was no way

462
00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:22.880
to be sure. There was also
rumors that the killings were part of some

463
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:29.719
black magic ritual, or that Oscar
had performed the murders as sacrifice for his

464
00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:34.440
former commune, which doesn't make sense. No, those two don't make sense.

465
00:36:34.639 --> 00:36:40.400
Honestly. The psychotic break makes sense, yeah, especially having known his

466
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:45.239
history and his violent past, his
lonely past. Yeah. And yeah,

467
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:49.119
if he was in the middle of
a psychotic break, he truly didn't know

468
00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:52.280
what he was doing. But especially
because like people saw him fighting invisible forces

469
00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:55.599
in front of him with his swords, you know. Yeah, so it

470
00:36:55.760 --> 00:37:01.119
just I think to me it was
like obviouslybviously super tragic, but also kind

471
00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:07.000
of like begs the question if he
maybe had they knew that he needed like

472
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:13.000
help and medication, Yeah, this
might have not happened. But because people

473
00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:17.039
don't know what these things look like, and they're just called people exhibiting these

474
00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:21.199
type of symptoms are just yeah,
they're just called oh, he's just like

475
00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:25.599
that, or yeah, you know, oh that's just how he is.

476
00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:30.159
And I mean we see it so
often and even our own families. Yeah,

477
00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:37.039
and then once something horrific happens people
with these diagnoses, they guest stigmatized

478
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:42.039
even more. Like the unfortunate thing
is that like some things like this happen

479
00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:47.280
sometimes, and the murderers happened to
have possibly happened to have like mental health

480
00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:52.920
untreated mental health illnesses, and then
yeah, they are stigmatized. And then

481
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:59.599
there's an image out there of people
with mental illnesses that they're violent and unpredictable.

482
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:04.239
But the reality is that people with
severe mental illnesses are more likely to

483
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:08.039
be victims of violent crime than they
are to be violent, true, but

484
00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:14.760
no one knows that or that's not
the popular belief, because stories like this

485
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:21.679
do happen, and you know,
it's often sensationalized, yes, because it

486
00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:25.400
is horrific and it's you know,
sad obviously for the victims and their families,

487
00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:30.920
but it creates a stigma for people
with severe mental illnesses. You know

488
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:37.639
that this image that they're violent,
and you know that's not really real true.

489
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:43.599
I'm glad you brought that up.
And then after the investigation and all

490
00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:51.280
that, there was funerals for both
Maria jo and Maria Joserees's funeral was held

491
00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:54.440
in her hometown of Ittakura, and
there was a thousand people there. Just

492
00:38:54.440 --> 00:39:00.840
goes to show how many people loved
her. Juan there was hundreds and hundreds

493
00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:05.559
of Lolol residents who also attended his
funeral. Yeah, both victims were loved,

494
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:09.559
and these murders, they shook the
small town of Lolo forever. And

495
00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:15.719
there was the reports of Oscar's dog
Valentine, crying and howling for many nights.

496
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:21.760
Oh, oh, that's so sad
at the house, probably waiting for

497
00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:27.079
him. Yeah, yeah, that
did make me very sad. And yeah,

498
00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:36.719
that was the tragic, tragic,
murders of Maria Creez and Juan But

499
00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:44.480
yeah, wow, just that Now
that was a ride for sure. It

500
00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:49.360
was. It was, it really
was. And just the details that were

501
00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:52.079
like reported on the news you can
still find in the articles on when this

502
00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:58.559
happened, and just like they were
like so focused on the anime, how

503
00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:01.679
he dressed as anime care and yeah, just I found that I found that

504
00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:06.920
interesting. Mm hmmm. So anyway, this brings us to the end of

505
00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:09.519
the episode. Do you have anything
to plug before we go? Carmen,

506
00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:14.840
Sure, sure, sure, We
already mentioned the studias unknown. If you're

507
00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:20.039
into Latin American history, then check
out that podcast. And then we also

508
00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:25.280
have Novelo, a podcast where we
rewatched our childhood we recap the episodes and

509
00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:30.920
talk shit about them. And we
also have a new segment on that podcast

510
00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:37.360
that will eventually become its own podcast
currently online, Concavesito, where we talk

511
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:42.800
about I don't know, funny internet
things, viral TikTok videos and I don't

512
00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:45.159
have TikTok. See it tells me
all about them and that leads themselves to

513
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:51.159
like other topics. Yeah, it's
a lot of fun, just talking shit,

514
00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:52.360
you know, fun. I enjoy
it. Yeah, so if you

515
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:55.880
if you like Internet chease me and
the two of us, you should check

516
00:40:55.920 --> 00:41:01.559
that out. Yeah, And we
will be sending out our book club discussion

517
00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:07.559
questions for silver Nitrates tomorrow. I'll
send them out. And so we send

518
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:10.239
them out, we give it a
week for people to like answer so we

519
00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:15.360
can include your book your discussions in
the episode. So we'll be recording that

520
00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:20.920
after I send those out, so
that you have time listeners that did read

521
00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:24.360
the book with us to yeah,
to answer the questions if you remember anything

522
00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:29.480
about it, yeah, because we
really took a long long time with this.

523
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:36.639
Yeah. So yeah, and do
you have any spooky recommendations? And

524
00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:42.679
no, I've been watching Married at
First Sight. They have season fourteen now

525
00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:46.920
on Netflix, so I was watching
that and I haven't watched anything spooky.

526
00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:52.079
Yeah. Me, I haven't done
anything spooky either, watch seeing, listen

527
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:53.880
to nothing. I've been rewatching Bones. I don't know what my problem is.

528
00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:55.639
I'm like, this is like all
I want to do. You've been

529
00:41:55.639 --> 00:42:01.960
rewatching what I've been rewatching Bones Story
watching Bones. Yeah. Yeah, ever

530
00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:06.920
since I saw it, I haven't
even been listening to any podcasts. Well,

531
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:12.920
you know, I obviously have been
listening to the usuals spooky to thank

532
00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:15.199
you, and then the guests are
what do you call them feature episodes?

533
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:20.800
I don't know, hunted what now
susto? Yeah, and I also have

534
00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:24.000
been listening to Moras Mantita's and I
really liked the episode where they had Edwin

535
00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:28.679
on there. Oh yeah, shout
out. That was a good episode.

536
00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:30.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that
was really good. So I guess that

537
00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:36.880
will be my spooky spooky recommendation.
Yeah. I have been listening to them

538
00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:38.039
too, so yeah, I guess
yeah, you're right. But no,

539
00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:43.400
I've been effessively watching Bones. Just
nothing like new that you haven't like,

540
00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:46.440
never mentioned, Yeah, no,
yeah, yeah, I just got to

541
00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:50.880
like the season where Polant comes in, and I have to say that that

542
00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:54.360
that story I dragged. I don't
even remember that. So you remember Polant?

543
00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:58.360
Wow? Was he one of the
serial killers? Yeah? But he

544
00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:04.559
was like, well like super suit, way too smart and powerful. Onto

545
00:43:04.639 --> 00:43:08.159
Bones, Oh my god. And
TV shows serieshals are always depict their lucky

546
00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:13.960
superhuman geniuses and the reality is that
they're not. They're just lucky. They're

547
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:19.400
just white and lucky. Yeah yeah, oh man, but yeah, that's

548
00:43:19.400 --> 00:43:22.119
what I've been that's what I'm or
I'm at on Bones right now in case

549
00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:27.239
anyone was wondering, because last time
I had just passed the Gorma Goon episode.

550
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:34.159
So uh yeah, I hope.
I think this is like a hyperfixation,

551
00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:37.559
and that's why I like, I
haven't been doing like literally anything but

552
00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:42.480
watching Bones on my free time.
That was me with Supernatural a little while

553
00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:45.559
ago, but then I started watching
Married at First Sight. Okay, but

554
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:50.719
that's done now, so I'll probably
go back to Supernatural. Yeah, I

555
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:52.840
am like, I need to stop, but I need to, like,

556
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:55.079
I want to listen and watch the
other things, but I find myself just

557
00:43:55.119 --> 00:43:59.400
putting Bones on again. I've been
reading Gone Girl. I know I'm like

558
00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:04.079
years behind. Oh yeah, you
mentioned that last episode, but I oh

559
00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:06.480
I did, Okay, I don't
remember. And I also haven't seen the

560
00:44:06.519 --> 00:44:08.239
movie. So after I'm done with
the book, I'm looking forward to watching

561
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:12.639
the movie and seeing exactly who played
who. I only know Ben Affleck and

562
00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:16.920
uh oh what's her name? Rosamund
Pike are the main Oh okay, yeah

563
00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:20.800
yeah, But apart from that,
I have Wilson's in it or heard the

564
00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:25.400
book. Yeah, I just know
of it. I just got my my

565
00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:31.320
borrow from Libby from the library became
available. It's Freedom is a Constant Struggle

566
00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:37.639
by Angela Ye Davis. Oh yeah
yeah. And then also another one they

567
00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:42.559
called me a Liones. It's the
story of Oh I've heard of that book.

568
00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:46.360
Yeah, I forgot her name,
had head to me me. Yeah.

569
00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:51.039
They were on hold for like two
months because I'm sure many people were

570
00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:53.320
trying to borrow them, which is
actually fantastic to see so many people trying

571
00:44:53.320 --> 00:44:59.559
to read about Palestine. So yeah, I'm almost done with Freedom is the

572
00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:02.559
Constant. It's a fast it's a
fast listen six hours. The other one's

573
00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:06.280
eight hours. So yeah, I'm
looking forward to reading those. But yeah,

574
00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:09.920
nothing spooky still yeah yeah, yeah, uh huh so yeah, I

575
00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:15.960
guess now this is the official end
of the episode, and I have nothing

576
00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:20.360
whitty to say at the end of
this episode. Just it was too depressing.

577
00:45:21.199 --> 00:45:24.519
Yeah, stay spooky, I don't
know, Yeah, stay a spooky

578
00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:29.239
and go have some ice cream or
something. I don't know. We'll catch

579
00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:38.360
everyone next time. Bye. Spooky
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580
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