Sept. 4, 2026

La Chaneca

La Chaneca
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Carmen and Cristina share the legend of La Chaneca from Guerrero, Mexico and La Matki. They end with spooky recs, Cristina's was the movie Obsession and Carmen's was the book Blood Slaves by Markus Redmond.

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Hello, hello, this is Christina and Carmen and this is

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A Spooky Tales. We are back. We are back from

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A Spooky Tales is the podcast for all things spooky, counterplaces, myths, legends,

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sometimes true crime, spooky books. So yeah, we're back. We

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are back from our break. However, we are recovering from

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a cold, from a long, terrible cold that I think

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I'm almost recovered. I think I have like a couple

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more days to go before I feel close to 100%.

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I'm like almost there. I can feel it. You look

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better today. You do. Yeah, you don't look good at all.

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Good thing we're not doing video. That's true. That's true.

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anyway today we have a legend what from where is

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this uh from mexico like wait where i forgot already

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i have to read the notes okay well we have

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a legend for you only one and uh oh first

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send them our way. So we are talking about La

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Chanica today, which is a legend from San Luis Acatlan

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in Guerrero. So there you go. And that's where it's from. Thanks. Yeah.

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But before we get there, we're going to be talking

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about Chanikas. Okay. We've talked a little bit about them,

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but we can always have a refresher. God. Okay. I

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didn't remember. I was looking around. Oh, well, it was

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like put together with a Duende episode. Okay. They're very Duende-like. Yeah. Okay.

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So that must have been a while ago then. It

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has been a while. Yeah. Okay. So sorry if this

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is repeating information then, because I didn't find it when

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I was looking. You should have asked me. I did.

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I said, oh, wait, I only said La Chaneca, huh? Yes. Whoops. Well,

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I didn't remember. And I said, I don't know about

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La Chaneca. Okay. Well, I didn't remember anything about Chaneca.

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So anyway, they're kind of new to me because I

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don't remember you talking about them at all. And maybe

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you'll correct me on some stuff because there was like

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a lot of different things that I found. Well, there's

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a lot of different... stories about them or different versions

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or different iterations, if you will. Yeah, so they're like

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a pre-colonial belief from, I found from Aztec, Mayan, Totonac,

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and Mixer, it is Mixer, right? Oh, okay. An indigenous

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group living in the mountainous eastern highlands of Oaxaca, Mexico. Okay,

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so anyway, Mixer mythology. And then I also read that

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It was a belief that was kind of blended. I

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don't know how you say, but it's like an Afro-Mexican

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oral tradition as well. Oh, that I didn't know. Yeah,

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specifically in Veracruz. And so, yeah, they're kind of like duendes,

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similar creatures. They're small. They've been described to look like

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wrinkly old men. And in Nahuatl, the word chaneque means

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those who inhabit dangerous places or owners of the house.

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Owners of the house. Yeah, it reminded me of duendes

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because I think... Dueños de la casa, yeah. Yes, yeah.

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Dueños de casa, whatever. Yeah. And then when I was

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like looking around, it was saying that duendes come more

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from like Spanish beliefs, like Spaniard beliefs. Yeah. Okay, yeah.

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And then the Chanicas kind of preceded that, but then

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of course through colonization. They kind of, everything blends together. Yeah. Yeah.

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And in other areas of Mexico, they were said to

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appear as children. So sometimes like wrinkly old people and

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sometimes like kids. Very different stages of life there. Right.

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The whole spectrum. Yeah. And it is said that chaneques

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would steal the souls of those who strayed into their domain,

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which usually is the jungle. And they would do that

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by scaring the soul of the person's body and burying

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it underground. And the only way one could get their

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soul back was through a specific ritual that I couldn't find.

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So do not get your soul stolen by a chaneke. Don't.

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Because we don't know the ritual. Don't do it. And yeah,

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and if the ritual wasn't done, then the person would

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get sick and die. And like Duendes, the chaneke would

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lead people astray in the jungle, causing them to wander

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mindlessly through the jungle for days. And they're also into mischief. Mischief.

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Things like throwing stones, breaking things, pulling dogs' tails, taking things. Oh, yeah, very,

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very Duende-like behavior there. And they're also associated with the underworld.

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They cared for mountains and wild animals, kind of like Duendes,

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who are seen as like the caretakers of the forest

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in some places. Yeah, in some places. And some say

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that Chaneques are the guardians of liminal spaces, places where

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boundaries blur, like the edges of villages, caves, crossroads, riverbanks.

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In Tuxtlas, Veracruz, they believe that there are good Chaneques

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who live among humans and evil Chaneques who are only

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found in remote places, like caves, forests, the wild, basically. Okay,

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so the evil ones are in these isolated areas. Yeah,

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and like many other legends and mythological creatures, the good

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tourniquets are white and the bad ones are black. And

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I'm like, it feels a little racist to me. Like

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the cadejo in El Salvador. That's what it reminded me of.

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They've also been described as having green or brown skin. Interesting.

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Which makes sense, like if they live in the jungle,

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they kind of blend into the surroundings. Yeah, camouflage. And

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speaking of camouflage and blending in, some legends say that

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they're also invisible. Oh, okay. In the Tuxlas region, it

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was said that the Chanekas were ruled over by Chane

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or Chaneko. Have you heard of Chane or Chaneko? I haven't. Wow. Okay,

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because I don't know. I couldn't find anything else about him,

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but this one website said that he was a god

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of of earth and water. And I'm like, I don't

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think that's true. Yeah. I'm like, and who are you

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to say this? Because I never heard of this person.

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Who are you random website? Or heard of this deity,

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I should say. Yeah. I don't know. I haven't heard

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of it either. And then it didn't say like, oh God,

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to these people, to the so-and-so. Okay. So yeah, that's

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a little sus. That's how I felt about it. Yeah.

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And there was only one website that said that. And

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then I also saw that some traditions believe that the

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Chanek are the children of Tlaloc. That I have heard, yes. Oh, okay, okay.

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I feel like that sounds more right to me. I

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feel like somebody made up Chanek. Somebody just made up

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this Chanek individual. That's how it feels to me. And yeah,

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people might remember, listeners might remember that he is the

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god of rain. Is there anything else? Caves. Anything that

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falls from the skies. Okay. Yeah. And then I read

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that because he's the god of rain, then agriculture is

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under his domain as well. Because like. Yes. Like fertilization, whatever. Exactly. Yeah.

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And then to me, this felt like when I was

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reading about it, this next part, it felt more like

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a Christian belief to me. than pre-colonial but these things

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get convoluted and whatnot right co-opted right over time but

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it was said that the chane and i'm like who's

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the chane made up yeah it must be real i

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don't know just made up deity the alleged alleged deity

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chane that he watched over humans and punished sinners especially

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unfaithful women and ate them as punishment I hate them. Yeah. Right.

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But like to who is an unfaithful woman, a sinner

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and why not an unfaithful man that does feel very Christian. Right. Right.

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And speaking of Christianity, Christianity, Christianity. Wow. We say that.

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I know I was going to speaking of Christian yet.

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I feel like something like there's like a, like a

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demon inside of me. Like I can't say that word. Christianity. Okay. Sometimes,

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I mean, Speaking of... I'm not even saying the right thing.

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Speaking of Christianity... Sometimes I worry if I'm possessed. I

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might be possessed. Anyway, speaking of Christianity... Who's that normal?

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Speaking of Christianity, it was said that after colonization, the

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Catholic Friars co-opted the mythology like they did with so

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many other things, right? Yeah. They... started saying to indigenous

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people that the chaneques were the result of the devil

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possessing an unbaptized stillborn child and that that child would

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become a demon and prey on those that wandered into

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the jungle. Interesting. That's also not the wandering into the

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jungle and becoming a demon, but very similar to duende lore, right?

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which we know is from Spain. But that unbaptized children

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are more susceptible to Duendes wanting to take them or

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messing with them. That's right. I forgot about that. So

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interesting connection there. Yeah. Catholicism also had a version where

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the Chaneques would take people to the underworld through the

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trunk of a ceiba tree. Oh, the ceiba tree. Very

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rooted in mythology and folklore, especially like in southern Mexico.

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So interesting. And very demonized as well. Yeah. And then

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others use Chaneque and Duende interchangeably. Yes. Yes. And yeah,

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that is a little bit about chaneques. Actually, that was

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a lot of information about chaneques that I didn't know.

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So thank you. Okay, good. Yes, yes. Good thing I

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didn't know you had talked about it because then I

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wouldn't have looked it up. Yes, thank you. Okay, so

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la chaneca. This is a legend from San Luis Acatlan Guerrero.

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It is said that many, many years ago, a chaneque

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fell in love with a young woman named Despite knowing

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that their love was impossible because they are not the same.

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One is a human. One is a chaneque. Based on

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the fact that they were different species. Yeah. One is

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a mythological creature. Right. One is a fey-like duende. Creature

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of the woods. Creature of nature. I'm sorry, but somebody

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write the Akatar version of this. Oh my god, wait. Wait. Wait,

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you're onto something. I would actually read that. Yeah. Yeah.

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Someone write that. All right. The young woman left humanity

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and ran away with the Chanake. And the two lived

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in the forest amongst the rest of the Chanakes. They

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lived happily and had a daughter together who they raised

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among the Chanakes as well. Their daughter was supernaturally beautiful.

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probably because she was part human and part chaneque. Their

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daughter grew up hearing about human beings and longed to

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be part of humanity, even more so when her mother died.

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So after she got permission from her dad, the two

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set off to her mom's pueblo. But once they got

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close to it, the daughter went through a sudden transformation.

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Her form changed to something more human-like. And sadly, it

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was impossible for her to return amongst the Chaneques. Aw. Yeah. Heartbroken,

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her father said goodbye to her and warned her that

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if she had a child with a human, she would

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turn mortal. Not worth it. Actually, do we really want

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to live forever? I don't think so. It's hard to say.

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Hard choices here. Really? Time passed and the young woman

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became even more beautiful. Occasionally, the townspeople would catch sight

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of her while she was foraging for food. The men

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admired her for her beauty, and they would try and

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talk with her in hopes of sparking up a romance,

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a relationship, a situationship, something, something. But because she was

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half Chanekia, her body would kind of disappear at times. What? What?

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That's crazy. Well, remember how it said they were invisible? Yeah. Yeah,

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I think it's like a call back to that. Okay.

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And so many thought that she was a ghost. So

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rumors spread that she was supernatural. A chaneca. It was

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said that the women from the pueblo would throw rocks

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at her and yell, allá anda la chaneca, allá anda

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la chaneca. Rude. Wow. Disrespectful. No. No. They were just jealous.

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After many years of solitude, La Chanega decided she wanted

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to become human and remembered she would need to procreate

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with a human man. Yuck. A man. A man. So

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she began to frequent the rivers and waterholes near the pueblo. Naturally,

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where you meet men, right? I mean, where else? The square, maybe? Yeah.

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Always at nighttime for some reason. To try and lure

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a man and baby drop him? I mean, it was

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part of her goal to become human, so you just

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kind of needed a baby. Yeah, yeah. But the men

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that got close to her would soon run away because

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they would look into her eyes and know that she

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was not fully human. So I know, but that would

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kind of make me feel more enticed to build a

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relationship because I'm like, that's kind of cool. Okay, monster romance.

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You're right. This is why I want an Akatar version

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of the story. It is said that she still roams

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the rivers and waterholes of San Luis Acatlan. Many towns

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throughout Guerrero have legends about La Chanica. In some areas,

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it's said that La Chanica can take the appearance of

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any man's wife or girlfriend. Oh. And she tries to

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trick them into hooking up with her so she can

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finally turn human. But it never works because they get

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scared when they look into her eyes and realize that

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she's not human. And then she beats them. And then

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she beats them, scratches them, and drags them to the

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point of almost death. No, I'm still on her side.

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I was going to say I'm almost on her side,

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but I still am. I mean, she doesn't kill them.

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She still got me, yeah. She never fully kills them,

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so yeah, that's nice. But the men do lose their sanity. Lose, lose.

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It kind of goes back to our rule about leaving

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women alone if they're in the riverbank. I mean, yeah, yeah.

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I also found that there's a tape recording from 1979

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of an oral tradition from the Nahua community in Oteapan, Veracruz,

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which talks about a Chanega woman who pretended to be

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the wife of a campesino and she tricked him. But

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I don't think anything bad happened from the description. She

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just took him to lunch, which is kind of nice. Yeah.

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But I couldn't listen to it. So maybe there's more

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to the story. But so far, this is actually kind

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of nice. Just like, oh, it's a little picnic. Yeah.

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So I had a little description of it and it

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was seven minutes long, but it wouldn't play when I

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was trying to listen to it. Damn. It's in the sources.

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It's like from an archive from Mexico. Oh. There's actually

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a song from 2017 or 2019 called La Charneca by

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Los de la Doble M. The lyrics talk about a

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guy coming home after being out and being taken advantage

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of by La Chanica. The Chanica leaves hickeys on him

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and his wife doesn't believe that it was La Chanica.

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Do you want to hear it? Oh, yeah. Actually, I

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don't really blame the wife here, though. Who would believe that?

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Who would believe such a thing? Let's go. Ha, ha.

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Pretty much just repeats that. Okay. That was very fun.

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I like it. I like it. Fun little song, huh? Yeah. Yeah. No,

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that was good. In relation to the Chanekes and Chanekas,

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there's also a Nawa Popoluka belief in Lamarcki, a cannibal Chaneka. Oh, okay.

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It says she lives in the treetops of the jungle

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where she hangs her hammock and takes men captive. And

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she tires him out with intense sexual activity before she

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devours them. Wow. Yeah, so she has a good time. Yeah,

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good for her, I guess. And her captives usually include hunters,

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lost men, farmers, and adulterers. She was often depicted naked

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in the countryside or bathing in the river. And besides, like,

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physically eating men, it was also said that she would

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feast on them spiritually by capturing their shadow or stealing

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their souls. Capturing their shadow. Oh, I feel like that

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reminds me of something. Is it Peter Pan? Oh, yeah.

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Does he have something to do with shadows? Yeah, yeah.

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Something like that. Because then there's, like, a shadow version

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of Peter Pan, right? Right, right. And then, like, is it, like, in, like, Neverland?

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They don't have shadows or some shit? I don't remember

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that part. I just remember that he has, like, his...

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Or something like that. I feel like he's very blended.

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Oh my God. I was just going to say that. Wow. Twins. Yeah.

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He's pretty much like an elf, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well.

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Or is he just a lost boy? He's small, right? Yeah.

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He's got pointy ears and he's wearing green and he's

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got a pointy hat. He has to be an elf. Right.

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He's a duende. He's a duende. Mm-hmm. Yeah. He takes children.

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He does. Very duende. He's a straight up duende. Yeah.

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And he's the villain. He is the villain. He's stealing kids.

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Save the children. Hostage in his island. Fun Captain Hook.

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He was just trying to free the kids. Save the children.

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He was just trying. That's what people want, right? To

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save the children. Or so they say. I don't know.

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They say. I don't know. Historians attribute the spread of

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this legend as a way to cope with the depopulation

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and instability of the time. Fascinating. There was a lot

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of epidemics and different changes happening to villages and hierarchical

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communities and things like that. From the 1920s to the 1970s,

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anthropologists and historians collected stories and anecdotes about encounters with Lamaki.

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In one instance, a farm worker reported becoming lost in

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the jungle and returning to his village after 20 days

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with light injuries and a fever. And he told the

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doctor that he was fed and pampered by the ladies

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of the forest, but managed to get away when his

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captor tried to devour him. Wow. Yeah. Interesting. As I

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was reading about this, I did kind of wonder like

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how much of these anecdotes and mythology had to do

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with the sexualization and objectification of indigenous women. I just

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couldn't help but think that because like, especially with Lamarcki,

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there was like so much like sexual stuff. um there's

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a sexual component about her story yeah and then i

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saw some of the like drawings they had of her

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and she just straight up naked um in the river

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like kind of makes me think of um yeah makes

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me think of um oh my god what's that other

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story from uh somewhere in latin america a short woman

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it was like said to have been made up by

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uh like, not an Indigenous person, but, like, a white man,

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but they're always depicted, like, almost naked with very long

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hair that covers their boobs and their feet are backwards. Yes, yeah.

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I don't remember who you're talking about, but... And I

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can't remember a country either. Like, I want to say

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the Dominican Republic. I think it was somewhere in the Caribbean.

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But it makes me think of that, too, because they were,

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you know... And, I mean, and so many stories depicting women,

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especially from Latin America, and especially when there's, like, an Indigenous...

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It's an indigenous story. Yeah. There's like the sexualization of

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a woman, devouring men, the fear of a woman, the

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demonization of a woman. And yeah, the justification of the

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bodies of indigenous women. And there was a lot of

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stories about like her, the Maquis, seducing men against their will,

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like things like that. The evil, seductress, temptress. Right. Luring

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a man and then killing him. Yeah. I did read, though,

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that there are mentions of the Matki go back before. Oh, really? Spaniards. Yeah,

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like it's like a it is a tradition, but I

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don't like I don't know how much of it has

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been warped, you know. And there was also mentions of

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the Matki in the Spanish Inquisition documents. Really? Mm hmm.

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And others say that the Matki were small women who

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during wars were given by the conquered to unmarried warriors

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as concubines. Oh, yeah. Wow. In 1940 and 1941, anthropologist

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George M. Foster collected the following story about the Matki.

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Once upon a time, there was a man who went

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to work in his cornfield, and there he saw a

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woman's footprint. He asked his wife about it, which made

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her think that he was cheating on her so the

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man went back out to the cornfields and even though

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he was already married for some reason he said to

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himself that if he saw the woman he would marry

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her oh because men just do whatever they want he

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wasn't beating the cheating allegations he was like fully like

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diving into them like yeah yeah around noon he was

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eating lunch outside when the woman appeared And said, hey,

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are you the man who said you would marry me?

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And he's like, yeah, are you down? Exactly like that. Way.

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And the woman said she was, but first she needed

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to wash his body to get rid of his saltiness.

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And I forgot to mention when I was talking about

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the matki before this, but they had like a thing

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about salt. Like they would like lick the salt off

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of men. They would lick the salt off and then

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the men were like good to eat. They had to

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make them less salty. Okay. But they're still consuming the salt. Interesting.

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I don't know. Yeah. They had to lick the salt

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off the man. It's a process. Yeah. It's a whole ritual.

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And so she licked him until she was satisfied with

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the level of his saltiness. And then she took the

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man to her hammock at the treetop. Three days passed

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and the man's actual real wife... Who was fucking probably

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looking for him while he's like, I'm going to marry you. Okay.

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She was looking for him. She was waiting for him. Well, yeah.

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She was distraught. So she was out in the cornfield

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looking for him. And up from the treetops, Lamaki was like, oh, hey,

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there's your wife. She's looking for you and she's crying,

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but you can't go to her. No, that's kind of evil.

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And Lamaki told the man that he couldn't talk to

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her or he would die. Wow. Okay. So the next day,

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the man went to work in the cornfields. And of course,

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his wife saw him because they lived like right on

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the cornfields. She'd been looking for him. And she was

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already looking out the window like, where is his ass? Yeah.

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So she finally saw him. So she went out there

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and she was like, where you been? And he's like, well,

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I've been here the whole time, which was technically true.

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He was just up on the trees. Yeah. So she

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couldn't see him, but he was there. Yeah. Oh, my God.

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And so they hugged and they walked back home. But

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three days later... He died. He talked to her. Yeah.

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She warned him. Yeah. I mean, to be fair, she did.

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She did her due diligence and told him, if you

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talk to your wife, you will die. Yeah. Yeah. And

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it was said that he died because the Matki kept

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his soul. Okay. And yeah, that was the La Chaneka,

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the Chaneketh, the Matki story. That was fun. Thank you

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for working on this. Right. I had fun learning about it,

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writing it up. I didn't know about these queens. Fascinating.

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I guess we'll take a little break here. And when

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we come back, we will have some spooky recommendations. And

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we're back. Do you have a spooky recommendation? I feel

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like it can't be Obsession because I think everyone already

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watched that. that was gonna be mine because i just

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watched it oh i'll let you do yours then because

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i have other ones okay well my spooky recommendation is

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obsession uh and yes i watched it way after everyone

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else did because i look i don't have a lot

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of chances to go to the movies i wanted to

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watch it in the theater but i just uh i

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ran out of time i didn't watch it either yeah

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and that's that they like extended the time that it

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was in theaters really well don't feel bad i missed

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it too No, I know. So we watched it together. Yeah. Um,

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that show was crazy. It was. Wow. Just, uh, I

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don't know what, uh, I love that we're getting like

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so many unique horror movies that are not part of a,

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what's it called? Franchise. Like they're just, these are completely

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new stories, new directors, new to like big movies. Uh,

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but like people being given a chance, um, So yeah,

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that's a lot of fun because yeah, what an outstanding

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movie that like just left me shook. I knew a

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lot about it. Well, some about it. I knew all

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about it. I watched all the spoilers, all the videos,

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all the discourse. I consumed it because I couldn't watch

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the movie. And although I was fully planning to watch

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it when it came on streaming, I still, I couldn't

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help myself. Yeah. And like knowing some of the things already,

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I was still like fucking shook. Me too. yeah while

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watching and so yeah no it's a it's a love

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story you know a cursed love story but um yeah

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it was a lot of fun and so if for

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whatever reason you haven't watched it you know definitely check

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it out um yeah it's very it's very different it's

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insane though and i guess though if you like if

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you can't handle gore i wouldn't Oh, yeah. It was

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very gory. And then there's also animal abuse, which I

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know some people are, oh, my God, that's worse than

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when people die kind of thing. Not to be judgmental

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about or anything, but it really gets to people. You

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sound kind of judgmental. Yeah, sorry. And that's why I

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like course corrected. I'm like calling myself out, calling myself in.

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But also calling yourself in. But also like, uh you

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know if SA sexual assault rape is something that like

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really affects you in movies this was bad that was

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bad that was bad even that scene I couldn't I

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almost couldn't handle it yeah it was it was disturbing

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to say the least um but uh I mean yeah

438
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what a What a movie that could have prevented if

439
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like he just made a different wish and he would

440
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have been like, I wish for the courage to just

441
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tell her how I feel about her. I mean, why not? Like,

442
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why can't I be brave? And then he like cut

443
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the stick, you know? Yeah. Like, I wish I was

444
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brave and I could express my feelings to the woman

445
00:30:16.609 --> 00:30:20.789
I love. I wish I wasn't a fucking loser. Like,

446
00:30:20.869 --> 00:30:24.089
that would have been such a better wish. But anything

447
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to not respect women's autonomy and choices and independence. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

448
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Even in their benevolent wishes that he didn't know was

449
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going to come true. It's still like a harmful. No. Yeah.

450
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It definitely highlighted that benevolent sexism. Yeah. Which. He wasn't

451
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meaning to. Things like chivalry fall under. Right. And so

452
00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:51.559
many men don't understand. Just do a nice thing and

453
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open the door for you. um which whatever sure at

454
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the end of the day it's not a huge deal

455
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but just like steps to it right yeah yeah i

456
00:31:02.069 --> 00:31:03.289
don't want to say more about it because i want

457
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to do a patreon oh that's right we are yeah

458
00:31:05.750 --> 00:31:10.150
about it yeah yeah we'll shut up now that's the

459
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rest of our thoughts are behind the paywall or will

460
00:31:13.049 --> 00:31:17.990
be behind the paywall yeah yes yes um okay what's

461
00:31:18.029 --> 00:31:22.529
your recommendation um okay so i have like a lot

462
00:31:22.549 --> 00:31:23.930
i think we have a lot to recommend because we

463
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haven't um like two at a time i could no

464
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just based about i mean oh okay well no i

465
00:31:33.289 --> 00:31:34.509
was going to i was gonna say all of them

466
00:31:34.529 --> 00:31:37.109
right now i was gonna say i was gonna say

467
00:31:37.130 --> 00:31:38.829
i have a lot to recommend like in the next

468
00:31:38.990 --> 00:31:43.380
episodes oh um okay but today's spooky recommendation will be

469
00:31:44.509 --> 00:31:48.549
um blood slaves by marcus redmond and this is part

470
00:31:48.569 --> 00:31:50.289
of a series that i didn't know at the time

471
00:31:50.309 --> 00:31:52.740
when i bought it oh because you usually avoid series

472
00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:55.119
yeah i don't really like series but the second one

473
00:31:55.140 --> 00:31:57.279
just came out so i'm actually i am probably gonna

474
00:31:57.299 --> 00:31:59.500
check that out at some point but this is a

475
00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:03.349
well let me just read the description in the province

476
00:32:03.509 --> 00:32:08.369
of carolina 1710 freedom seems unattainable for willie for his

477
00:32:08.410 --> 00:32:12.170
beloved gertie and for their unborn child They live, suffer,

478
00:32:12.309 --> 00:32:15.970
and toil under the brutal master James Big Jim Barrow,

479
00:32:16.569 --> 00:32:19.230
whose grand plantation was built by the blood, sweat, and

480
00:32:19.309 --> 00:32:22.430
tears of the enslaved. To flee this hell on earth

481
00:32:22.670 --> 00:32:27.029
is to be hunted and killed. Until one strange night,

482
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Willie is offered a dark hope by Rafazi, an enigmatic

483
00:32:30.529 --> 00:32:34.670
slave with an irresistible and blood-chilling path to liberation. Hailing

484
00:32:34.710 --> 00:32:38.569
from the kingdom of Ghana, Rafazi... is the lone survivor

485
00:32:38.710 --> 00:32:42.750
of the Romanga, an African vampire tribe rendered newly extinct

486
00:32:42.809 --> 00:32:46.279
by plague. Rafasi has roamed the world for centuries with

487
00:32:46.299 --> 00:32:49.460
an undying desire to replenish the power that once defined

488
00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:53.599
his heritage. In Willy, Rafasi has found his first biddable

489
00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:56.619
subject to be turned and to help in a hungry revolt.

490
00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:00.640
And Willy desires nothing more than to free his people

491
00:33:00.740 --> 00:33:04.380
from malicious bondage, whatever it takes. One by one, as

492
00:33:04.420 --> 00:33:07.390
an army of blood slaves thirsting for revenge is gathered,

493
00:33:07.410 --> 00:33:10.170
the headstrong Gertie fears that no good can come from

494
00:33:10.210 --> 00:33:14.690
the vampiric legacy that courses through Afasi's veins. Willy knows

495
00:33:14.730 --> 00:33:17.089
that only evil can fight evil, and when the women

496
00:33:17.130 --> 00:33:20.230
he loves stand between the re-emergence of the Romanga and

497
00:33:20.269 --> 00:33:23.829
the justified slaughter of the oppressors, Willy must make an

498
00:33:23.930 --> 00:33:27.210
irreversible decision. Only one thing is certain, on the barrel

499
00:33:27.230 --> 00:33:32.180
plantation and beyond, blood will spill. part historical drama, part

500
00:33:32.200 --> 00:33:35.920
supernatural horror, and part alternate history. Blood of Slaves is

501
00:33:35.940 --> 00:33:38.720
an ingenious and defiant new creation myth of the vampire,

502
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:42.619
one rooted in both justice and sometimes violent means necessary

503
00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:45.319
to achieve it. And the sometimes violent means necessary to

504
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:51.400
achieve it. So yeah, it's like a revenge story. Enslaved

505
00:33:51.420 --> 00:33:56.410
people become vampires to get revenge on their enslavers and

506
00:33:56.430 --> 00:34:00.599
free themselves. So it was pretty good. It was a

507
00:34:00.740 --> 00:34:03.670
little slower paced. I was like waiting and waiting for

508
00:34:03.690 --> 00:34:05.289
the action to start happening. And it felt like it

509
00:34:05.329 --> 00:34:07.470
took forever to get there. But then I realized it

510
00:34:07.690 --> 00:34:09.050
was part of a series. And I'm like, oh, that's

511
00:34:09.090 --> 00:34:11.989
probably why it took a little longer to get there

512
00:34:12.030 --> 00:34:16.360
because of the world building and whatnot. And the description

513
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:20.199
talks about Gertie not wanting Willie to become a vampire.

514
00:34:20.219 --> 00:34:21.860
And honestly, she did piss me off a little bit.

515
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:24.199
Because she kept like going on and on about how

516
00:34:24.219 --> 00:34:30.789
they can't, it's not right. Being a vampire is evil.

517
00:34:31.250 --> 00:34:34.909
They can't fight evil with evil. No, no. See, that's

518
00:34:34.949 --> 00:34:36.690
where you lose me. Even though they're enslaved, they can

519
00:34:36.730 --> 00:34:42.019
still have good lives. And of course, people had to

520
00:34:42.059 --> 00:34:46.760
make lives regardless, right? Of course, yeah. but i'm like

521
00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:49.360
if you have the choice to become a vampire yeah

522
00:34:49.420 --> 00:34:51.619
if you have the choice to become a vampire to

523
00:34:52.369 --> 00:34:55.710
destroy the people who've been enslaving you a hundred percent

524
00:34:55.909 --> 00:34:58.469
yeah yeah i'm like i would still become a vampire

525
00:34:59.170 --> 00:35:00.829
if i could become a vampire right now and just

526
00:35:00.849 --> 00:35:02.570
fucking if i could do it now i would do

527
00:35:02.610 --> 00:35:05.010
it now go wild on uh like all of ice

528
00:35:05.050 --> 00:35:07.989
and border patrol i would do it yeah yeah hands

529
00:35:08.010 --> 00:35:11.050
down i would be unstoppable no second reason no second

530
00:35:11.070 --> 00:35:13.860
thought yeah yeah i actually would be having a great

531
00:35:13.889 --> 00:35:19.980
time like Yeah. It was a good read. That sounds

532
00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:22.239
like a really fun book. Yeah. I added it to

533
00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:25.650
my TBR after you told me about it. And of course,

534
00:35:25.969 --> 00:35:28.469
there's like a lot of heavy topics in there and,

535
00:35:29.250 --> 00:35:32.269
you know, violence and abuse. Yeah. I think that's given

536
00:35:32.309 --> 00:35:34.809
with the time period that it's set in and what

537
00:35:34.849 --> 00:35:41.400
it's about. But yes, of course, warn everyone. Okay. Does

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this bring us to the end or did you have

539
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one more? No, we can end it. Remember, don't let

540
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your soul get stolen by Echaneke because we don't know

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the ritual to get your soul back and you will die. Yes.

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