Feb. 7, 2025

Selene Delgado Lopez, an Internet Mystery and An Update on Sharon Kinne aka La Pistolera

Selene Delgado Lopez, an Internet Mystery and An Update on Sharon Kinne aka La Pistolera

In 2001, Mexican channel, channel 5 aired a missing person announcement for Selene Delgado Lopez, which spawned an urban legend and one of the biggest internet misteries to date. 

Carmen shares the case of Selene Delgado Lopez, and a simlar case from...

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In 2001, Mexican channel, channel 5 aired a missing person announcement for Selene Delgado Lopez, which spawned an urban legend and one of the biggest internet misteries to date.

Carmen shares the case of Selene Delgado Lopez, and a simlar case from Chicago and Cristina shares an update from a case form episode 94, Sharon Kinne aka La Pistolera. They end with spooky recommendations.

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Hi. This is Christina and Carmen and this is another

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episode of a Spookitals, the podcaster for all Things SWOOKI

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hunted places true crime involving Latin America, and on today's episode,

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we have what should have been a normal missing persons

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announcement on a Mexican TV channel that somehow became one

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of the biggest Internet mysteries to this date and is

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also somehow connected to another similar internet mystery.

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What.

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Yes, I'm very excited for this episode a mystery to

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mysteries and one mystery solved because I have an update

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on a previous case for for my segment my half

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All right, yeah, and normally before all that we would

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have a listeners story. I did not get one ready.

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I've been sleeping all day. Yeah. Yeah, I'm very sick.

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If you have stories that you want us to read,

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email dot com. You can submit it on Discord. You

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can also record no and email that. You can call

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these Pooky hotline. There's a lot of ways to get

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us your stories. Just send them. We love receiving them.

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Today we don't have one though, but we love reading

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them when we do have them. Can I prepare them? Yeah?

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So should I get into it. Yeah. Yeah. In two

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thousand and one. In two thousand and one, Mexicans who

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happened to be awake past midnight and we're watching Channel

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five were traumatized. It was time for their Servicio a

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communidad segment or community service segment, where they listed the

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names of missing people. It was on like normal until

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they named Celene de la Gado or Selene Delgado, who

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was eighteen at the time of her disappearance. They showed

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her a picture, but suddenly it changed to a different

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picture with no explanation, and let's play the video. When

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did you play? Okay? One?

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Two, three?

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Telena Lopez say.

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Meetings?

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Oh what the hell? I was like jump scared? What

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is going on? Yeah, and they don't comment on this

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at all. No, this is the end of the audio. Yeah,

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what the hell? That's what they saw on This happened

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live on TV and midnight. Yeah what the channel live? Okay?

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That was weird. I hope that you go on you

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to watch it, and if not, you probably will post

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it on Instagram, right, I will. And then when we

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have a video version of this up, not today because

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I'm sick and it looks like, oh god, we don't

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have a video. We're not going to post a video,

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but I will. I will redo this, just me reading

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the script just so people could see if they want

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to see, because it's super chill clips it is. When

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Sena's name was said, the only details given were her name,

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how old she was, and where she was last seen,

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the municipality of Alvaro Obregon in Mexico City. Not only

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did the picture randomly change, but there was also a

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very harsh tone when the change happened, and none of

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this was ever addressed. So first, let's talk about canal Cinco.

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It is a Mexican free to air network owned by

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Telivisa ViOn. Think like your local PREVS channel here. You

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know where all of us watched Dragon Tels, Arthur and

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all that. Also you can tell who didn't. Yeah, you

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can be like I know, as a kid, you didn't

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watch these shows because of the adult you are today. Yeah,

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and you know they didn't get their reading Rainbow on. Yeah.

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And Channel five was mostly aimed at kids and younger audiences.

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During the day, they aired cartoons, foreign series. You know,

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it's where we watched Dragon ball Z in Spanish. Oh

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that makes sense. I was going to say cartoons yeah, yeah,

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and they showed like Disney shows like Duct Taels, Chippin'dale,

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the Mexican version of Disney Club. At least on toll

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As started running these shows instead. Then it started running

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Warner Media shows, so like Looney Tunes, Sunny Tuons, the

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Kids next Door whatever that was called ed and Eddie

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hated that. I hated them too, and PBS Kids. Yeah,

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they were the worst. I there's nothing I hate more

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than an ugly cartoon. Oh my god, edit Eddie Redd

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and Simpy the chicken. Peve was in butt head. Oh

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my god, what your name was? Yeah? Right, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah.

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The point is that it did kids shows during the day,

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and then in late hours it ran more reality shows

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and general TV shows like like is to See Us?

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This bizarre Celena Delegadlo situation. Aside, Channel five News had

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done some very bizarre things. For a while. They were

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running a Twitter page and posting normal things, but then

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around three to five am their post just grew more

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and more creepy. They would upload the creepiest Internet videos

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for no reason. Infobay, who named that Mexican news agency.

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I don't know who named it. Every time I see

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an Infoba article. I'm like, is this real? But it's legit? Hmm, yeah,

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it sounds fake anyway. So this Mexican news agency tries

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to get ahold of the Channel five social media person,

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and they claim this person had no idea what they

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were talking about or who was making these posts. Okay,

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let's play a couple now, this would have been a

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good YouTube video. I'm gonna, okay, the normal Patreon's gonna

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have the video? And should I just upload it even

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though I look fugly? Oh sorry, Oh you licked on it.

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It's because I clicked on it adamatically started playing. Oh

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my god. It's up to you, I mean, recording either way,

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so it doesn't matter to me, you know what, I'll

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do it. Okay. I wish it would have powdered in

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my face, but it's fine. It doesn't matter. Do you

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want to go do it? No? No, no, it doesn't

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matter of trash anyway. Yeah, yeah, okay, one, two three play?

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Oh my god. Oh I hate this. This is the

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worst thing I've ever seen, you know what. It reminds

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me of Oh my god, but worse. This is so

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much worse. Actually, I can't I don't think I keep

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watching it. That's positives disturbing. What it reminds me of

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the episode of the Office where Aaron is trying to

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make the Halloween party scarier, Like gay brings in is disturbing.

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Like videos whatever they are, and everyone's like ooh, and

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then one of them is like Oscar's grandma. He's like,

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why did you record my grandma? Or whatever. That's what

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it's reminding me of. That's how I felt watching this.

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It's very it's like disturbing, and they never like they

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were just delete these after really yeah, it's in the notes. Wow, wow, Okay,

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I did not like that one bit. No, okay, but

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there's another video, so should we click on that? All right? Ready? One, two, three,

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play lunch Manchi for a munch, Crunch crunch. Oh my god,

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I can't watch it. No, it's disturbed.

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Yeah.

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So that's the last they were just postings like that.

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That's very disturbing. Yeah, so by the time everyone was awake,

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like around six am, all these weird videos would be

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deleted and again there was never any explanation. Very weird. Yeah,

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but back to their strangest event, as if these dark enough. Yeah,

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and this strange event has now become an urban legend.

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It was November two thousand and one when the infamous

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Selene Dedo Lopez news aired. Viewers who up at night

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watching it live all claimed to feel uncomfortable and scared

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when looking at her picture. Some people claimed that when

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her picture changed, the TV froze for a few minutes,

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then started glitching and cut to static. People started saying

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that Selena's ghost was causing this. Others said that her

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picture was cursed. Then people started saying the picture wasn't real,

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that was why it was making people feel uneasy because

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of the uncanny Valley effect. Still, there was a white

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search for her, but she wasn't found. This led to

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a group of Internet salutes to look into this. This

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group claimed Selena didn't exist and this was likely just

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an experiment run by Channel five for no reason. But

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she makes no reason. Yeah. They searched the missing person's

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database and there was no Selena a little bitz there.

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They also searched any database they could, and not only

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was she not missing, she just didn't seem to exist.

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There was no other picture of the supposed Selene except

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the one aired by Channel five, and this includes the act.

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The first picture they showed not the creepy one that

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I switched to, or not creepy, but not the one

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switched to, or I didn't original one. Okay, that they're

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talking about that that doesn't exist anywhere the when it

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switched to people did get down to the bottom of it,

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and it's in the notes later, okay, And it just

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gets weirder. This whole thing gets fucking weirder. It's a

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whole weird. It's all just weird. People moved on. Only

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those who were up remember seeing this girl who didn't exist.

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Then in twenty twenty, when did this happen again? The

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first two one? Oh my gosh, like ninety years later. Yeah. So.

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Then in twenty twenty, Twitter user the Amantha Negro posted

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a thread about the case with one detail that was

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never said before. The Amata Negro connected another cylon in

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the Legado to this one who went missing in twenty ten.

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The picture he uploaded it looked like it could have

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been the same girl. And the picture was taken with

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the same terrible quality, like it had been copied again

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and again and again before was uploaded. Like those means

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people reuse all the time. Yeah, yeah, or like if

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you photo because you know, this original picture was old

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the two thousand and one to one, so if you

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photocopied it, and you photocopied it and you photocopied it,

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it would get that very dark like, yeah, I know,

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low quality look to it. Yeah. This led to a

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ton of YouTubers to revive the original video and everyone

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was talking about the keys. Also TikTok M. Of course

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tiktoking YouTube went big on it. Then things got even weirder.

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This time Facebook was involved, and that's never good, it's not.

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People found a Facebook page belonging to a middle aged

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woman named Selene and Lopez Porcelaine. People then realized that

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somehow they were already friends with her, even though they

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hadn't added her themselves. Then they noticed there was no

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way to unfriend her either. The profile was shared one

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hundred and twenty six thousand times. People were saying it

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was haunted or cursed, But it turns out this was

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a real person who had nothing to do with Channel five,

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with the Channel five incident, I thought so por Lady Porcelene.

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She ended up having to private her Facebook because of

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the constant harassment, and it's still private to this day. Yeah,

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and actually I'm not sure if I included it in

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my notes, But the reason it looked like she was

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being added and she was already friends with anyone is

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because she had a type of setting where when you

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look at someone's profile page, it says message, but it

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doesn't say ad friend. You can disable the ad friend button,

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so then it looks like you're already friends with her.

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And the reason that they couldn't unfrint her is because

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they were not we friends the first place. Oh my god. Yeah,

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and she had the ad friend disabled, so it looked

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like you were a ready friends with Ridiculous. That's what

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people got confused about. Yeah, and it's spread panic in Mexico, like,

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oh my god, I'm friends with her. Two Oh my god,

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you have friends other too, Yeah, as they seem tend

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to go. There's different theories around that try to explain

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what happened. One of them is that she was an

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actual missing person and the lack of any information on

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her is because of the lack of resources and that

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there's just too many missing people in Mexico. The glitches

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that happened were probably due to to poor quality of

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TV cable at the time. Another theory she was never

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a real person. She was created by Channel five to

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scare their viewers and spread awareness of missing people, or

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just to get attention and more views, right, or ratings

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or whatever. Another theory is that she was never a

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real person, but she was created by a person pranking

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Channel five. I could believe that, yeah, this person sent

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in her picture and fake information into Channel five to

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see if they would still include it during the community

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service segment. Many favor this theory because the channel kept

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broadcasting her image for years. People began to notice that

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the image of Selene that God was actually composite of

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Derek Todd, also known as the Baton Rouge Slayer, and

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that it became associated with Selena because they're similar facial proportions.

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pictures up here, but I wouldn't say that it was

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similar to the first one. But when they put up

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the second one, okay, that is his composite, But I

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don't think it was that similar to her original picture.

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The original quality, No, But the second one that popped

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up after it does look like is the same picture.

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I thought, just a little bit of changes, Like it

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looks like the composite of that guy. Yeah, just stretched

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out the second darkening one. Yeah, yes, that's kind on

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they switched to it. Yeah, yeah, we're saying the same

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thing we are. Their explanation was that this composite was

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used to digitally render Selenis picture. The photoca Dreams group

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claimed to have proven this by using a kind of

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modeling program that rendered the same image by combining other

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images of people and the same composite. They said, Selena's

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face is too similar to all these images at the

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same time, that it's so generic, and that is why

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it made people uncomfortable, because it was made to be

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generic on purpose. So when people say this, are they

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talking about the second image or the first image, Because

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the first image, to me, it looks like a normal girl,

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no stile. But people are saying the first image look

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too generic and that image is made up of really

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all other images of people it together like that to

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me and anything like that, no, not to me, And

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then that the second image that it changed to, Yeah,

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is what the first like model of what led to

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the actual picture came from. Like it was like the

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base they started from, and then they got to the

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face that the normal picture they got to her picture

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from that weird looking composite. That's weird, but I don't know.

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I just I don't feel it's like a normal girl,

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but like a bad quality photo to me, right, and

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I agree, interesting weird. They believe the theory that Channel

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five made this image to include in their segment. They

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doubled down on this theory when Channel five was posting

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weird things on Twitter, including references to Selene, that they

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created this hoax as a publicity stunt, and that's the legend.

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It's just an eerie video that was never explained. But

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surprisingly that's not I found a website that looks sketchy.

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It's a block spot website in Spanish, and this page

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claims the conspiracy theories and legs are not true at

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all and she was a real person. This page claimed

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to have Selene Delgado's mom's contact information. Her family was

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very low income, her mom was According to this page,

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her mom was Esperanza Lopez and her sister was Lauda

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than Gado. The phone number that was attached to her

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case is now deactivated, but it belonged to a corner

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store near where Selene was said to have gone missing from.

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In the municipality of Alvado, Obregon. Her missing person's file

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didn't appear in just Channel five, but also other media

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and with much higher quality image. The missing person report

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was never removed, so it seems to remain in open

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case and her family, if they're still alive or still

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looking for her. Unlike all of the YouTube videos, say

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that she never existed in any databases. This page claims

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there were several places with the missing fil report. This

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block page claims there's another website from Tutah the six

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which has limited access and this page contains over twenty

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entries with Selene's information, but of course they never share

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the page name or anything, but they did share some

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information from this alleged page. Selene disappeared in the morning.

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She had a stalker who lived in the streets. Her

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father died when she was very young. Her mom washed

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other people's laundry for a living. On the day Selene

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de Lagada went missing, another woman named Alondra went missing.

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Alondra was a sex worker and mostly worked a couple

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of streets away from the de Lagado residents. She was

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apparently considered a suspect at some point. This blog also

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claimed Selena left of her own will and that she

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was never abducted. This is the only page with this information,

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and there's absolutely no way to verify any of this.

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Most people continue to believe this is one strange mystery. Yeah.

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I tried looking for this supposed page that this page mentioned,

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and I tried the forn A Londra that went missing

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or more information. Nothing popped up. Interesting, not that I'm

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a professional searcher, you know, I tried, and I couldn't

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find anything. But also I did notice that a lot

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of people that make a ton of like you know,

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YouTube videos with like millions of views on this case,

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they don't mention this random website that popped up. Maybe

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because it's in Spanish and they don't speak Spanish. Yeah, maybe,

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so that was weird. But I'll trying to remember to

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put it in the show notes. You'll try to what

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remember to put it in the show notes in case

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anyone wants to look at this sketchy blog spot that

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claims all these things, it might still your identity. No,

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I'm just kidding. No, No, you don't have to entern information.

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If this wasn't enough, there was another very similar situation

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in Chicago, and this similar situation was eerily similar, also

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involving a Channel five. Naturally, people started connecting the two

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on January fourteenth, nineteen eighty nine, so this one happened first.

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Wm Q Channel five out of Chicago was doing their

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public service announcements, which included things like anti drug stuff

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and meditation segments. For some reason, they also this also

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included the national anthem. Right after the national anthem finished,

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there was silence and then a picture of Joanna Lopez.

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The picture also said missing and call three twelve seven

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four four five five ninety four And for some reason,

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the picture was of extremely terrible quality and wow, yes,

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you can't even like if you saw this picture and

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then you saw this person in real life, you would

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never know. Was that because there's like no deesael, Like

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you can't recognize someone from this picture? No, not at all.

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The picture was placed there with no sound at all

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and remained up for twenty seconds. Pretty normal. Then two

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years later, on January fourteenth, nineteen ninety one, WMQ showed

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her photo again. It was the same video from nineteen eight,

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but this time after twenty seconds she went away and

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came back and stayed up for six hours all night

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with no other sound, all night, with no other sound,

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just for static image. Okay, that's why you said it

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pretty normal earlier, because I was like, I guess that's normal.

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Now reading this, I'm like, okay, that's normal. Yeah, oh

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my god the hell. It's also so fucking weird that

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both their last names and with Lopez and these are

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both Channel five. Yeah. Yeah, that's so weird, people claimed.

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When they called the number, no one ever answered, and

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just like Selena Delegado, there was no record of Joanna anywhere,

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no police reports, and no missing persons reports. This remains

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unsolved today and of course led people to believe she

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was never real to begin with. Since this weird broadcast,

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there's been a few different theories. The first one that

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she was real and she was a runaway and that

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her parents didn't report her missing to the police and

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instead sent her picture w and make you I feel

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like that's possible. Yeah yeah, just like out of the

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word know where the picture is so horrible, But it's

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very possible. I mean, this was nineteen eighty nine. I

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guess like they could have like Xerox did a bunch

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of time. Yeahs, you know the same thing with the

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other picture, but this one is just way worse. Yeah,

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very low quality. The next theory, which is the most popular,

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is that she never existed and a hacker put up

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a random picture while the national anthem was plain, or

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that the channel themselves made her up to conduct some

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sort of tests. There's another theme, no reasoned. Yeah, that

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doesn't make sense to me. I feel like, yeah, maybe

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they made it up just to get attention. Yeah, out

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of the two. If if she didn't exist, then someone

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made up the picture, I do believe it would be

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a random person hagging the hijacking the signal, because people

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have done that, hijacked signals and then put up some

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weirdass images. Yeah, there's a whole horror story episode on

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it which poinked on. I produce it. Yeah, it was

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a lot of fun, one of the best episodes two

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dates because I worked on it. But yeah, I feel

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like they say that about every episode. Do you work on?

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So the fuck up? And if anyone has anyone else noticed,

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does anyone else agree anyway? But I think it was

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like the nineteen eighties or nineties, someone hijacked the signal

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and put up this weird ass like video of some

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guy with a mask. His name was Max and it

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was just doing weird ass things on TV. And so

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I do believe that if this happened, it would have

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been not the TV channel themselves, but some real in person. Okay,

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I could see that, maybe the Mexico one also, yeah, yeah,

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there's another theory that she's actually a Jane Doe from

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a nineteen ninety four case because they look alike and

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this Jane Doe died in the area where Joanna went missing. Okay,

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I was like, I needed to scroll up to compare

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the picture, look at the original, Yeah, and I just

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see it's such there's such little Do you have the

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same original picture? Yeah? Yeah, that could be in that

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could be them. It could be any of those images there.

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So there's another theory that she was actually Rachel Lopez,

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who attended Chicago Community High School at the time she

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went missing. This theory is popular because she also wears glasses,

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looks similar and would have attended high school at the

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same time as Joanna and they were the same age.

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There's a whole subredda because of course there is dedicated

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to Joanna Lopez, and one rhetitor claims to have found

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Joanna in that they spoke to her on the phone.

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They claimed she did run away and was gone on

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the photo aired, but the user lost contact with her

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two years after they made the post. They also pointed

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out that there were two missing Joanna Lopez in nineteen

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eighty nine, and they were not sure which one they

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spoke to. The subretdit is still active and people have

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uploaded high resolution versions of the image from nineteen eighty

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nine and nineteen ninety one with hope of finding Joanna Lopez.

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I was scrolling that subreddit earlier, and there's another so

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the redditor you mentioned right now, that's one of the

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highest avoted posts on there. But there's another one that

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someone said they spoke to her father at uh some

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phone number, but then that he just hung up. And

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I'm like, yeah, nobody wants someone random calling them, like yeah,

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Like that makes sense. So they seem to believe that

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she really did exist. I mean it's possible. Yeah, I

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feel like that's one I believe a little bit more

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because it's just a very low quality image and the

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other one, which is a weird looking image like I

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don't know what the word switched, yeah, switched Yeah, And

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that was just weird yeah, and anyway, I mean, this

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just leaves us wondering word Selene, Selene Lopez and Jonna

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Lopez ever real question? Many still asked, We don't know,

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including us right now. Yeah. I would love to hear

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what other people think though, so weird. Yeah, all right,

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we'll take a little outbreak there and come back with

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my update. That was once a mystery, that's the race theme. Mystery,

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mystery solved. All right, and we're back. We have an

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update on a case that I covered way back in

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episode ninety four. Who remembers La Pistolera aka Sharon Kinney?

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Oh my god, me you remember La Pistolera? Akah, I

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can never forget her. I know me neither. So if

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you don't remember, here's a very very short refresher because again,

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this took like almost an hour the first time, So

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here's a very short refresher on Sharon Kinney. Sharon Kenney

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murdered her husband, then tried to frame her Doddlar for it,

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and then for some reason, police believes her. One month later,

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with the money from her husband's her deceased husband's life insurance,

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she bought a really nice car at uh car Place

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wherever people buying cars, and the car salesman she ended

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up getting with that was her new boyfriend, who was

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Walter Jones, who had been married for five years to

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Patricia Jones for five years and you know they were

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like on and off again. He wasn't really committing to

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the relationship as much as Sharon wanted. And so then

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she kidnapped Patricia Jones. She followed the Patricia Jones like

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one day, Patricia just didn't make it home. Walter was worried.

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He found the missing prisons report and then it turns

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out that Sharon and her other boyfriend John together went

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to try and talk to Patricia. Then they ended up

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killing her. She ended up killing her. She didn't her

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four times and she was arrested and it went to trial.

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00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:56.519
I think this she was found not guilty due to

448
00:25:56.599 --> 00:26:00.480
lack of evidence, and so just like long story, there

449
00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:04.039
were two trials for her. One she was found not guilty.

450
00:26:04.079 --> 00:26:07.519
In between her waiting for her second trial to start,

451
00:26:07.720 --> 00:26:10.519
she had a new boyfriend and fled to Mexico with him.

452
00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:13.119
In less than a month of being in Mexico, she

453
00:26:13.519 --> 00:26:18.319
shot a Mexican man named Enrique Martinez Rouela, and she

454
00:26:18.519 --> 00:26:22.519
claimed that he was trying to assault her and that's

455
00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:25.240
why she shot him in self defense. But police, Mexican

456
00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:28.359
police quickly figured out that she actually killed him because

457
00:26:28.359 --> 00:26:30.880
she was trying to rob him, and so she was arrested.

458
00:26:31.839 --> 00:26:33.559
And also this is all going on when she was

459
00:26:33.559 --> 00:26:35.799
supposed to have a trial back in the US, and

460
00:26:35.839 --> 00:26:37.759
so the US put out a warrant for her once

461
00:26:37.759 --> 00:26:39.680
she didn't show up to her trial because she was

462
00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:42.759
in Mexican police or in a Mexican jail at the

463
00:26:42.759 --> 00:26:44.799
time of her trial in the US, so she didn't

464
00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:47.160
show up, so they put out an arrest warrant for her,

465
00:26:47.480 --> 00:26:49.880
and up till a week ago, that was the longest

466
00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:54.039
standing warrant in the history of the US because she

467
00:26:54.079 --> 00:26:56.920
still had not shown up to trial. But total a

468
00:26:56.960 --> 00:27:00.400
week ago, yes, absolutely ago, we'll get there. So this

469
00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:02.559
is again, this is all the refresher on who she

470
00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:06.160
was wearing. And then in Mexican jail she was found

471
00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:09.440
guilty and then I think the first sentence was ten years,

472
00:27:09.559 --> 00:27:11.680
and then she appealed and then the judge was like,

473
00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:13.759
that's not enough time, and he gave her thirteen years.

474
00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:17.400
Uh huh, yes, okay, And so more time is what

475
00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:20.720
they said, and then she escaped through the book at

476
00:27:20.759 --> 00:27:23.440
her I remember, yeah, yeah, yes, Then she escaped Mexican

477
00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:27.200
prison and that's it. That's what we know of her whereabouts.

478
00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:29.680
We still didn't know where she was at the time

479
00:27:29.839 --> 00:27:32.720
of recording. When did this episode come out? Wasn't like

480
00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:36.000
two years ago. It was two years ago. So I

481
00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:39.000
let me see the spooky tales and then let me

482
00:27:39.079 --> 00:27:41.799
just search. Oh and then yeah, they nicknamed her. They

483
00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:47.599
nicknamed her La Pistolera during the trial. Okay, so okay.

484
00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:51.759
November eleventh, twenty twenty two is when this came out.

485
00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:53.720
And at the time, I was like, I don't think

486
00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:56.599
she's alive anymore. If she, you know, was because and

487
00:27:56.599 --> 00:27:58.759
then you like calculated how old she would be ned

488
00:27:58.880 --> 00:28:06.079
or remember exactly, yeah old, and so she Yeah, nobody

489
00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:08.960
knows what happened to her. They lost track of her

490
00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:12.200
when she escaped, you know that Mexican prison. Yeah, the

491
00:28:12.279 --> 00:28:15.440
trop was called after that. But it turns out law

492
00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:19.440
enforcement got a tip December twenty twenty three, and this

493
00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:27.200
tip came from Canada, Alberta, Canada, Canada, Alberta, Canada, cob

494
00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:33.160
of Degrassi. So it turns out a month after she

495
00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:37.000
escaped Mexican prison. She was back in California. She met

496
00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:42.200
a man named James Glabys, and she became Dedra Glabys,

497
00:28:42.400 --> 00:28:46.799
not an identity change. They got married, they moved to Alberta, Canada,

498
00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:49.920
and that's where she remained all those years, and she

499
00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:53.359
actually passed away. Where is it? January twenty twenty two

500
00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:58.119
was when she died. So I was right because the

501
00:28:58.200 --> 00:29:02.240
episode came out November twenty twenty two, she was dead.

502
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:04.960
But the whole time she was hiding out in Canada

503
00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:08.119
and her neighbors described her. Her neighbors are shocked. They're like,

504
00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:11.359
no way that this woman who was our neighbor killed

505
00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:16.240
this many people. Was literally called La Pistolera the gunslinger,

506
00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:20.559
because she was kind, she was always helping out her neighbors. Oh,

507
00:29:20.799 --> 00:29:25.400
they're like, was not Dedra? I think? So? Okay? What

508
00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:28.440
was her other idea? Keep getting cragus? Was the last

509
00:29:28.519 --> 00:29:31.200
name Debra or de Dra? I do remember what you said?

510
00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:35.880
It's one of those yeah, hold on, Dedra, Yeah, okay,

511
00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:42.720
not de Dra. Dedra Glabys, which sounds like such a

512
00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:44.279
fake name to me, but I mean it was. I

513
00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:48.119
guess it was a real name because she existed in Canada. Yeah,

514
00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:52.359
and her neighbors loved her. She knit things for her neighbors,

515
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:53.480
she took care of them.

516
00:29:54.079 --> 00:29:54.400
Wow.

517
00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:57.920
So she really calmed down in her elder age. I

518
00:29:57.920 --> 00:30:01.680
guess she stopped killing people. Yeah. Yeah, so they worked

519
00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:05.319
with like now after learning her identity, they worked with

520
00:30:05.359 --> 00:30:08.039
California law enforcement agencies to figure out that in nineteen

521
00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:13.359
February nineteen seventy, Sharon Kenney married James Glabis in LA

522
00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:17.559
and that they later moved to Canada and again up

523
00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:20.720
until like literally a week ago was when this news

524
00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:25.559
came out that was the longest outstanding warrant in Kansas City. Wow?

525
00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:32.799
And how long was it out for? Sixty five years? Oh? Wow? Yeah,

526
00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:36.160
so it was an anonymous tip that was called in

527
00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:38.440
December twenty twenty three. And I guess they waited until

528
00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:41.359
they announced all this because it was literally a week ago, No,

529
00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:44.519
not even a Friday Friday at the same recording. The

530
00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:47.680
Friday that just passed is when this news broke when

531
00:30:47.680 --> 00:30:53.519
they really wow, Yeah, she died January twenty twenty two.

532
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:57.920
Tetro globis like what and she was there was confirmed

533
00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:03.039
to be the same person through kentless hours of investigation, forensics, gunealogy,

534
00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:07.559
and fingerprint analysis. Like, there's no denying Sharon Kinney was

535
00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:12.759
Deidra Glabys Wow. Insane. Yeah. Her neighbors are like, we

536
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:15.279
can't believe that she killed the people and abandoned her

537
00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:18.599
children in the US. Oh my god, I forgot about

538
00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:23.240
me too, me too, Oh my god. And they're just

539
00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:26.880
laughing because it's so ridiculous. Oh sorry, sixty four years later.

540
00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:29.359
That's how long it was. Sixty four years And I

541
00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:31.160
guess it took him a while to even follow up

542
00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:33.720
on the tip because they had received so many false

543
00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:36.559
tips over the years. But yeah, that's where she was

544
00:31:36.599 --> 00:31:40.160
the whole time, in good old Canada, having maple syrup

545
00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:42.680
and poutine. I was gonna say, what's that thing they eat?

546
00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:50.839
Probably watching the grassy Wow, that is wild off the hook. Yeah,

547
00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:54.279
but you know, now all the all her victims can

548
00:31:54.319 --> 00:31:59.279
rest easy knowing she's dead. Yeah. Oh man. Yeah, And

549
00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:01.880
I'm just that's insane to me. But yeah, that was

550
00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:07.000
the case or the update on Sharon Kenney wild. Yeah,

551
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:08.640
And I guess we'll take a little break here before

552
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:18.079
spooky recommendations. All right, and we're back. Do you have

553
00:32:18.079 --> 00:32:22.359
a spooky recommendation. Yeah, I had a bunch last episode

554
00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:25.039
and you cut me off because you were tired of me. Oh,

555
00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:28.079
I was fine, sleep or something. I don't remember. You're hungry,

556
00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:33.079
I was hungry. Yeah, I haven't finished or yeah, any

557
00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:35.920
like horror books or whatever. Don't really watch anything. I've

558
00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:39.119
just been rewatching the Office and finishing the latest season

559
00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:43.880
of Married at a Sight on Hulu. But I was

560
00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:48.319
talking about Grady Hendricks last time, right, and anyway I

561
00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:50.640
listened to I don't know if it's the most recent

562
00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:56.240
episode of Books in the Freezer, Yes, and he's the

563
00:32:56.279 --> 00:32:58.799
guests in it, and it was such a good episode

564
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:02.839
hoore with Grady Hendrix. Yeah, it is the most recent one.

565
00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:04.599
I don't know if it'll be the most recent one.

566
00:33:04.599 --> 00:33:07.599
We're on this episodes out But anyway, when I'm looking

567
00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:09.759
at it at the time for courting, it's the most reason.

568
00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:15.319
It was such an interesting conversation about like again, which horror,

569
00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:20.559
his book, his research of his book that I am

570
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:26.160
on hold, I am number fifty something eighty something, let

571
00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:30.160
me see. I'm excited to read it. But there's a

572
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:33.160
long Oh it's not that long compared to the other ones.

573
00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:37.519
I'm number seven in line. No, that's not bad. Time

574
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:41.880
about fourteen weeks? Yeah, no time. Yeah, it'll fly by.

575
00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:46.559
I was the Way which book? Great? Yeah? Yeah, Witchcraft

576
00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:49.839
for Weyward Girls. Okay, And did you listen to the

577
00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:52.880
episode of Books in the Not Yet again? I remember you,

578
00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:55.599
remember my kindness? Yeah, because I've been doing nothing but

579
00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:58.200
sleeping for the past five days because I'm pretty sure

580
00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:02.359
I have flew a oh the flu. Yeah, I didn't

581
00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:04.559
know there was letters for the flu. Yeah, there's A

582
00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:07.759
and B. A is the one that usually goes around

583
00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:10.320
the most. That it's a running rampant in the US

584
00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:13.440
right now, it's insane, and you've got time. I got

585
00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:15.400
a flu vaccine. Yeah, so imagine if I didn't, I'm

586
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:19.239
more Wow, I'd be dying more. You know what else

587
00:34:19.239 --> 00:34:23.000
I'm on literally for longer. I mean Love and Denline

588
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:28.519
The House of My Mother by Sherry Frankie the Daughter, Yeah,

589
00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:32.679
that is on my tv R and both are on Spotify,

590
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:35.039
but I like to use Spotify only for books that

591
00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:38.079
are not on Libby. And I need to listen to

592
00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:42.599
the second one of Parable of the Sore Oh, Parable

593
00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:45.920
of the Talents. Yes, yeah, I forgot the name, although

594
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:48.719
they're very similar. Yeah, yeah, so I need to listen

595
00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:50.800
to that. And last time I was listening to audiobooks

596
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:54.800
because all the Christmas ones were on hold and I

597
00:34:54.840 --> 00:34:56.719
had to top up on my hours. I paid ten

598
00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:59.119
fucking dollars for like ten extra hours because of that,

599
00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:02.039
and I'm like, no, I amused. Yeah, so yeah, anyway,

600
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:06.559
that was my spooky recommendation. Thatsde okay, thats the freezer.

601
00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:16.719
I need to listen. My spooky recommendation is American Rapture

602
00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:22.440
by c J. Lead let me. Actually, that's not on

603
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:25.199
my libby, so I'm probably gonna listen to that on Spotify.

604
00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:29.079
It was a very good audiobook too, very well done. Okay,

605
00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:31.320
because again I don't read. I just listened to books

606
00:35:31.400 --> 00:35:33.760
most of the time. Also, don't forget. You can find

607
00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:35.800
both of us on story graph, just as Spogey Christina

608
00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:39.360
and a Spooky Carman. Yeah do you want? Because I

609
00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:42.079
want to see what other people are reading. I love

610
00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:44.599
looking at what other people are reading me too. All right,

611
00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:49.400
So American Rapture a virus is spreading across America, transformingly

612
00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:53.199
infected and making them feral with lust. Sophie, a good

613
00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:57.760
Catholic girl must traverse the healthscape of the Midwest to

614
00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:01.920
find her family, while the war around her burns. Along

615
00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:04.880
the way, she discovers there are far worse faiths than

616
00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:08.880
dying a virgin. The end times are coming. And I

617
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:10.960
think if you're in episode one hundred and ninety nine

618
00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:13.320
of Us Big Tells by now you know two things.

619
00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:17.719
We love zombies and we love religious horror. This book

620
00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:22.280
is both of those. It's insane. I will say I

621
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:25.920
gave it five out of five, and it does take

622
00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:30.679
a little bit to get into the horror of everything

623
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:34.360
that's happening. But it has to set up the religious trauma.

624
00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:36.639
It has to set up right Sophie, the main character,

625
00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:39.360
has been raised. It has to set all that up

626
00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:42.159
and why her brother and her are in different places,

627
00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:46.039
why the world is the way it is before everything

628
00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:49.559
goes to hell. And so she was raised in this

629
00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:54.159
very super strict Catholic household. She's like so sheltered it's insane,

630
00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:58.519
like extremely sheltered. She was only allowed to read books

631
00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:01.360
of her parents' list. They didn't watch an a TV.

632
00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:05.119
So when everything happens, she doesn't know what's happening. Because

633
00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:07.400
although this has been in the news for a while

634
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:10.199
now I didn't know, she didn't know. She didn't know,

635
00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:13.239
And so this breaks out and her brother is miles

636
00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:16.559
away at a home they sent him to, like a

637
00:37:16.639 --> 00:37:19.239
home for the sacre, and I feel like it was

638
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:22.360
having something to do with like conversion therapy, where they

639
00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:24.519
were trying to I don't know what it is, I

640
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:27.119
because again sometimes I space out and I don't pay

641
00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:29.800
attention fully, So I maybe I missed the reason he

642
00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:33.239
was sent away. Something happened, something shameful that makes him

643
00:37:33.320 --> 00:37:38.599
a quote unquote bad person to the Catholics and anything, honestly,

644
00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:42.280
And so Sophie in her mind is trying to figure

645
00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:44.920
out what is he really bad? Is this any of

646
00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:46.920
what I learned? Is this really bad? So she has

647
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:49.760
to unlearn so many things in the middle of the

648
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:53.239
apocalypse that's so hard to do even in a regular

649
00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:56.360
and the regular day to day. Yeah, and so you

650
00:37:56.440 --> 00:37:59.000
get she you know, she's traveling, she's trying to find

651
00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:02.360
her brother. So she meets people, and this book just

652
00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:06.559
like rips your heart out when when you least expect it.

653
00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:10.719
I don't want to spoil anything, but like people that

654
00:38:11.199 --> 00:38:14.000
she meets throughout obviously it's it's an apocalypse things they're

655
00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:17.320
gonna happen. So in the in a very set, like

656
00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:19.639
very walking to the sense like no one is safe

657
00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:24.239
type thing, you know. I would love to see this

658
00:38:24.280 --> 00:38:26.920
into a show. Also reminded me of this fucking movie

659
00:38:26.920 --> 00:38:28.880
that traumatized the fuck out of me. I will never

660
00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:32.440
watch it. I actually don't recommend anyone watches it. The Sadness.

661
00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:36.719
It's a The Sadness is a twenty twenty one Taiwanese

662
00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:40.079
zombie horror film, but oh my fucking god, it's the

663
00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:44.039
worst thing I've ever fucking seen. And it's like so gory.

664
00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:48.239
So so this viral this is like a viral thing

665
00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:52.639
that transforms people into sadistic but there's the maniacs. So

666
00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:55.159
in the end, American Rapture is very similar in the

667
00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:58.400
sense that they're like lusting. It's not just a regular

668
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:01.039
zombie virus. They turn it to zombies, but they're like

669
00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:05.360
fucking horny as fuck. I don't know. So part of

670
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:08.760
the zombie is like that the zombies like start trying

671
00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:13.320
to assault whoever their victim is like they're just trying

672
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:16.239
to spread the zombie virus, and that's how it spread.

673
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:20.199
And so The Sadness very similar in that manner that

674
00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:25.719
it's fucking insane and it has similar things similar I

675
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:28.320
don't know, it's horrifying. But this is like a better

676
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:30.960
version of that to me because and I say better

677
00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:33.119
in the sense that it was less traumatizing to me,

678
00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:35.880
because The Sadness was a movie and you could see

679
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:39.159
it all and it was so sadistic and dark, and

680
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if that's your thing, watch it. But I'm argument it.

681
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I'm so traumatized. But this was like an easier version

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of that because you're reading about it and you're not

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seeing it because that was insane, and it's also you know,

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but yeah, so au unique twist on the zombie subgenre.

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But also you're seeing her trying to move past this

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religious trauma on the way she was raised to believe

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things were so five out of five halving hours, Oh good,

688
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And that is my spooky recommendation. American Rapture by C. J. Leed.

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You actually read another bone of her books, Yes May Fly,

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which I recommended so many episodes ago. I do remember when. Yeah,

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it's been a while last year though, and it's about

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a serial killer Hattie who happens to be a serial killer, right,

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And I never read my fly but now I spent

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on my TVR forever. But American Rapture. The minute I

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heard about it, I'm like, I need to read this.

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And I placed a whole months ago when it came

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through and my library through it. Wow. Lam But yeah,

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I think this brings us to the end of the episode. Yes,

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thank you. A reminder that twenty percent of our patron

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funds are going to charity. The one that I chose

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this month is Alao. They have a water drop service

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that they do where they drop off water, food, weather

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appropriate clothing, and hygiene stuff in the middle of the

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desert where people are going to pass because they're trying

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to seek asylum into the US and otherwise they could

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die out there without these supplies. So people volunteers, they

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gather these supplies, they walk them out there for people

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who need them. And again, we know that there's a

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history of border patrol destroying things like this that they find.

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So the more that we can help get these things

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out there, the less people, the less people have to die. Yeah,

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very important. I'll put the website so anyone, if anyone

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wants to check it out and donate themselves if you

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want to help us donate more. Right now, we're doing

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twenty percent of our funds of Estorias are Known and

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Spooky Taos, which ends up being fifty something dollars. So

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if you want to help us, first help us, but

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one was Vampire Media, where we talked forever about our

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favorite vampire media, or at least favorite so much fun.

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It was a lot of fun, and we even for

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We're gonna have to do a second part because we

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forgotten again. Shout out Fred. He was like, what about

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Little Vampire? And I was like, oh my god. And

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then he mentioned another one, and then someone else in

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the comments mentioned a couple too. Chata said one, and

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then Modesto he says another movie. You know. I was like, oh, think,

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how do we forget about all these movies? Yeah? Yeah,

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so we're gonna have to do another one. But we

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have plans to do our favorite religious horror supernatural horror,

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so those are gonna be fun too. But we also

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read and react to creepy Reddit stories. Yeah, sometimes they

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have a theme, sometimes they don't. Whenever we're together, we

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put up some vlogs, so there's a lot of stuff

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on there as well as at free versions of our episodes.

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And I would say early, but they're rarely ever early,

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you know, me doing things last minute? Yeah, yeah, And okay,

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I think that's everything. I have to plug. All right,

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Were you gonna add anything or no? No? All right,

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I don't know. If you're up at midnight and you

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happen to see something weird on TV that will later

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become an urban legend, let us know. Oh it's a hoax,

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but also let us know. And God blessed you to

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do that, because those videos were very scary. Oh my god,

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I will not recover from those. The fun was that

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probably gonna have a diversity. Yeah, I've been dreaming weirdest

748
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things anyway because I'm sick and my dreams have been

749
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so random. But the way it's gonna be so much worse.

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And one of them me and you were just trying

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a bunch of different food in Seattle, and so that

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was actually kind of kind of awesome. Yeah, that was

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a good dream, and between that was like zombies and

754
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somewhere else was like clowns and so good and bad

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dreams anyway, stay Spooky will catch everyone next time. My

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