Dec. 20, 2024

Mexican Pilot Possessed by Aliens and the Case of Maria Soledad Morales

Rafael Pacheco Perez was a student pilot on his first solo flight when he encountered something in the skies that changed his life forever.

In this episode, Carmen shares the bizarre UFO case of Rafael Pacheco Perez and Cristina shares a true crime...

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Rafael Pacheco Perez was a student pilot on his first solo flight when he encountered something in the skies that changed his life forever.

In this episode, Carmen shares the bizarre UFO case of Rafael Pacheco Perez and Cristina shares a true crime case from Argentina that changed the town of Catamarca forever.

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Rafael Pacheco Perez:

Rafael Pacheco Perez was an aspiring pilot, but that changed forever after the events of June 21st, 1976.

He was a bright and dedicated student. His instructors had no doubt in his skills, he was known as one of the best students in his class. He was always on time and very responsible.

It was his first practice solo flight. Before this, his only experience was flying with another pilot from Mexico city to Guanajuato. He took off from la Escuela de Avacion “mexico” on an XB-ZOX plane. This solo flight was not scheduled to be as long. He was supposed to go from the Mexico city airport to the las pistas de Chimalhuacan, these empty fields by lake Texcoco. He was supposed to just go there and practice landing. The weather wasn’t ideal, it was more cloudy than usual, but this was a less than an hour flight. So it wasn’t a big deal. He took off like normal, when he got to 900 feet in the air, not long after take off, his plane disappeared from all radars. He never arrived in Chimalhuacan. No one had seen him.

Everyone was confused and that confusion grew, when one hour later, Rafael Pacheco Perez finally resurfaced, a whole three hours away in Acapulco. The issue was that this training plane wasn’t made to travel that far. It had enough fuel for the trip to Chimalhuacan, not for 3 hours away. The other issue, he was 3 hours away, but only one hour had gone by. He also didn't have the experience to make it over the giant mountains on that flight path.

Then things got weirder.

The radio tower asked Rafael to identify himself and he replied asking for a private channel to talk to them. When they gave him the new channel, they asked him again to identify himself and what his location was. Rafael replied, “He is speaking because he is ordered to do so, that is, this is his voice, he is speaking but not of his own free will. We are using him as if he were… yes, we are using him as a microphone. We don’t matter much, nor where we come from, nor where we’re going, just know that we are beings from this universe to which you belong. Our planet is many light-years away, but I’ll repeat that before it becomes confusing: we are physically the same as you, I repeat that all races in the universe are physically the same.”

It also said they had always been here, and that compared to them, humans were primitive. That they were watching humanity from the skies and that humanity had to change or an irreversible global catastrophe would occur. They also said they meant no harm to the pilot and that when he woke up, he would not remember how he ended up here or anything having to do with them.

The air traffic controller asked if they were so advanced, why were they speaking Spanish and they replied that they could speak any language. Then that air traffic controller, who happened to be trilingual, started speaking German, then English and the aliens speaking through Rafael replied in both languages. Rafael himself only spoke Spanish.

Then it said, “You are not alone in the universe, and there are other races that we are keeping away from you, but we are watching you”. And the transmission ended at 11:29 AM.

Another pilot who had been given the number of the same channel contacted Mexico city and asked if they were missing a pilot, because if they were, he was down here in Acapulco.

Then the frequency changed and it was him again, calling out, “Help, I’m Rafael Pacheco Perez, Student 82 from the Aviation school of Mexico city, whoever is out there, please reply”. He said this a few more times, but his voice sounded very different. Air traffic control called back to him, asking him where he was. Freaked out, he said he didn't know, he was 7000 feet in the air and he could only see water. Air traffic control told him to find any piece of land until he saw some buildings, finally, Rafael found somewhere to land. He noticed that he had 0 fuel.

When he landed at the Acapulco airport, he asked, where am I? How did I land? On the ground, they told him, well if you don’t know and you were the one flying, we know even less. He was arrested, because you can’t just fly randomly, like was this a hijacking, it had to be investigated. They looked through the plane, everything looked normal. One person said it was full of fuel but someone else verified it was empty.

Rafael was interrogated and screened for any type of intoxication. He was found in perfect health and no drugs or alcohol in his system. He declared that he took off at 8:25 like normal, it was a regular flight for him, not far. As he flew toward Chimalhuacan, suddenly, the controls on the plane felt difficult to navigate, as if something else was in charge, not him. The plane kept going up and then suddenly went into a cloud. Suddenly, he couldn't see anything and he felt super drowsy. HE fell asleep. When he woke up, he was begging for help on the radio, 7000 feet in the air, over the Acapulco oceans.

After the investigation, heh was let go and sent back to Mexico City on a bus. A different pilot was set to fly the plane back to Mexico city. Once he was released, reporters would not leave him alone. He was unable to answer their questions, he didn’t know how he got to Acapulco.

Rafael Pacheco Perez claimed the alien beings that possessed him were evil. They ruined his career and he never piloted a plane again.

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Hi, This is Christina and Carmen, and this is another

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episode of a bookito a podcaster, All Things Spoogy True

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crime in Latin America. And today we have one infuriating

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two crime case from Agricantina and a UFO case from Mexico.

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Also, if you're watching on video, Carmen and I were

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supposed to get these matching sweaters. Yeah. I thought you

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were gonna wait until I got mine to wear yours.

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I told you I ran out of Christmas waters to wear.

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everything else, my brain is like a there's like a

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Lamar song where he says, oh, spooky, scary, hilarious. He

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spooky chat. He sent us a video of that. Yeah,

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scary hilarious. So yeah, yeah, yeah, wow, yeah, perfect. I

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it was sent to us via voicemail like two years ago,

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if you want to send a story to us, you

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can call the spooky hotline the numbers on the show notes.

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You can email a spokitosa gmail dot com. You can

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dm us on Instagram. It's the best way if you're

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like a recorded one via email attached that that's to

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spokatosa gmail dot com. Again, all that's in the show notes.

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We love receiving them, so yeah, please send them in. Okay, Carmen,

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are you ready? I'm ready. All right, let's hit one

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Okay, Hi, Christina and MJ. So this is my mom's

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ufour of me story from Mexico. It was late seventies.

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siblings late at night. So they were driving by this

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little like somewhere in Mexico, and she she looked out

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water and then just saw it take off and just

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disappear in the sky at night. So she told me

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So Raphael Patrico Perees was an inspiring pilot, always a pilot,

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but that changed forever after the events of June twenty first,

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nineteen seventy six. He was a bright and dedicated student.

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His instructors had no doubt in his skills. He was

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known as one of the best students in his class,

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always on time and very responsible. It was his first

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practice solo flight. Before this, his only experience was flying

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with another pilot from Mexico City to Juanaquato. He took

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off from Las Cuela de Vacion, Mexico on an xp

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zox plane. This solo flight was not scheduled to be

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as long. He was supposed to go from the Mexico

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City airport to the Las Pistas the chiml Uacan, these

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empty fields by Lake Dexcoco. He was supposed to just

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go there and practice landing. The weather wasn't ideal. It

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was more cloudy than usual, but this was less than

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an hour flight, so it wasn't a big deal. He

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took off like normal. When he got to nine hundred

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feet in the air. Not long after takeoff, his plane

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disappeared from all radars. He never arrived in chiman Wakan.

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No one had seen him. Guat what I like, nightmare

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for seldom flying.

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If I was like I would quit right then and there.

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So everyone was confused, and that confusion grew when an

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hour later Perez finally resurfaced Ale three hours away in Acapulco.

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Quant Wow. The issue was that this training plane wasn't

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made to travel that far. It had enough fuel for

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the trip to chiman Wakan, not three hours away. The

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other issue, he was three hours away, but only one

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hour had gone by. Yeah, he traveled at that sweet

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of light. Well, yeah, that's pretty you know quick.

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No, but that's weird.

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over the giant mountains on that flight path. And if

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that wasn't weird enough, things got even weirder. The radio

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tower asked Rafael to identify himself, and he replied asking

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for a private channel to talk to them. When they

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gave him the new channel, they asked him again to

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identify himself and what his location was. Dafaiel replied, he

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is speaking because he is ordered to do so. Oh,

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this is his voice. He is speaking, but not of

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his own free will. Yes, we are using him as

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a microphone. We don't matter much, nor where we come

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from nor where we're going. Just know that we are

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beings from this universe to which you belong. Our planet

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is many light years away. But I'll repeat that before

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it becomes confusing. We are physically the same as you.

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I repeat that all races in the universe are physically

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the same. What the fuck? Who the fuck is want?

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Excuse me? Okay, okay, that's a no.

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It also said that they had always been here and

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that compared to them, humans were primitive, that they were

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watching humanity from the skies.

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God, is that you?

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That they were watching humanity from the skies, and that

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humanity had to change or an irreversible global catastrophe would occur.

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I sense there have been various irreversible global catastrophes since

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their message here. Because this was the nineteen seventies, maybe

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they sent us COVID. Thanks a lot, Thank you, aliens.

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and that when he woke up, he would not remember

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how he ended up here or anything having to do

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with them. The air traffic controller asked, if they were

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so advanced, why were they speaking Spanish? A double take there,

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what it sounds like. I don't know.

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derogatory question mark. So then the beings replied that they

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could speak any language. Then the air traffic controller, who

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happened to be trilingual, started speaking German, then English, and

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the Aliens, speaking through Raphael, replied in both languages. Raphael

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himself only spoke Spanish. No, that's that makes it all like, yeah,

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so much more real. Then it said, you're not alone

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in the universe, and there are other races that we

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are keeping away from you, but we are watching you

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keeping away from us. We are the dangerous ones. Apparently

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probably i't believe it because we're so dumb. Yeah, and

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then the transmission ended at eleven twenty nine am. So

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sound like that? It's like robotic, like, well, most us

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we are using him, they're aliens. How do you expect

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don't know, because they sound like robots. Maybe because they

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can speak any language just being like translated in their

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heads and they sound like robots. Oh something like okay, yeah. Wow.

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Another pilot who had been given the number of the

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same channel, contacted Mexico City and asked if they were

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missing a pilot because if they were, he was down

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here in Acapulco. Then the frequency changed and it was

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him again, calling out help. Amrafael Pacheco Perez, student eighty

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two from the Aviation School of Mexico City, whoever is

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out there, please reply. He said this a few more times,

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but his voice sounded very different. Air traffic control called

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back to him, asking him where he was freaked out,

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He said he didn't know. He was seven thousand feet

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in the air and he could only see water. Oh

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my god, I was scary. That is so scary. And

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he's he's a learning solo flight. He's a student. Literally

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his first time on his own wow, wow wow. Air

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traffic control told him to find any piece of land

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until he saw some buildings. Finally, Rafael found somewhere to land.

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He noticed that he had zero fuel. Well, because you

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went to a Caapulco. Well, because he was three hours away.

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When he landed at the Acapulco airport, he asked, where

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am I? How did it land on the ground? They

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told him, well, if you don't know, and you were

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the one flying, we know even.

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Less, we don't know. Fool, what do you mean? They're like.

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Menos, right, that's probably what they told them, like those

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exact words, menos. He was arrested because you can't just

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fly randomly. Apparently this is a thing I didn't know. No, no, no,

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there's like laws of the air that means tracassic. Oh okay,

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obviously I think catch that. Sometimes it's just like flies

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over my head. I guess you're dumb.

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What do you mean so mean to me?

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I'm just kidding. But obviously there's laws in the air.

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Otherwise there wouldn't be airports. Everyone would just fly.

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You're right, my bad.

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So he was arrested and they were investigating this like

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it was a hijacking. Because you can't just fly randomly.

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They look through the plane. Everything looked normal. One person

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said it was full on fuel, but someone else verified

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it was empty. It was interrogated and screened for any

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type of intoxication. He was found in perfect health and

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no drugs or alcohol in his system. He declared that

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he took off at a twenty five like normal and

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planned it was a regular flight for him. Not far

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as he flew toward Chimanwakan, suddenly the controls on the

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plane felt difficult to navigate, as if something else was

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in charge, not him. The plane kept going up and

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then suddenly went into a cloud. Suddenly he couldn't see anything,

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and he felt super drowsy and he fell asleep. When

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he woke up, he was begging for help on the radio.

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Seven thousand feet in the air over the Acapulco Ocean.

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So he yeah, he really didn't remember. They said he wouldn't.

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Oh yeah wow. After the investigation, he was let go

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and sent back to Mexico City on a bus. They

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said you can't fly back. Yeah, Like, this is it, man,

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this is it, buddy. A different pilot was set to

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fly the plane back to Mexico City. When he was released,

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reporters would not leave him alone. Rafael was unable to

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answer their questions. He didn't know how he got to

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a caprico. Rafael Patico Perez claimed that the aliens that

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possessed him were evil. They ruined his career and he

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never piloted a plane again. Oh and that's it. Wow,

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damn da Fien. That's sad for him. He was like

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such a good student pilot too. Yeah, and we're going

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So today I'm going to be talking about the case

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of Maria Morales.

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Have you heard of it?

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No? Okay, So yeah, we'll just get into it again.

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This is very infuriating, and of course it involves the

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murder of a woman, which doesn't always automatically involve triggering

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things like rape, but this case does, so be warned.

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I don't obviously don't go into detail, but just so

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you know that it happened, all right. So Mariasoladad attended

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a party with her friends in San Fernando, in Argentina

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on September seventh, nineteen ninety and what took place that

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night angered and changed that little town forever. Oh no,

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So Maria Solaad was born September twelfth, nineteen seventy two,

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in Kata Marca. Sorry, where is San Fernando de Vaya?

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The Kata Marca in Argentina. Oh, I did not hear

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you say that. I'm pretty sure I said it. Well,

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if I didn't say it, it is an Argentina okay.

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I also said at the top that this was a

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case from Argentina. That's news to me. Wow, that's this

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shows how much attention you pay to me. That's how

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much attention you pay. That's right. No, I don't okayan

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mean to me. You forget how sensitive you are. I'm

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just kidding. Mama sent you ran So you want, okay,

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back to this horn, to this case, yes, okay.

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So.

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Maria Solada was born on September twelve, nineteen seventy two,

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in Kata Marca, Argentina. She was the second daughter of

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seven kids, big family. Her parents were Ada Risardo and

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Yes Morales. And even though it was a big family,

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they were okay. They were like middle lower class, so

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like doing okay, but like not rich. Right. Her dad

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was a government worker and her mom was a stay

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at home or homemaker, and at the time she was seventeen,

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she was attending El Colejol Garmen Isan Jose, a Catholic school.

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Her parents described her as very sweet, very respectful, but timid,

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very caring about others. She was a good student, but

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not exceptional. That's what her mom said, keeping it real,

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keeping it real. Yeah, but she always like tried hard.

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She even if she wasn't like, you know, top four

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point zero student, like, she tried her best. She loved

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to write poems, songs, played her guitar, and everyone that

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knew her described her as a lovely girl. They lived

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in a modest house in the outskirts of Katamarca, and

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like I said, they weren't rich, but they had what

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they needed. At the time of when all this happened,

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her dad was on disability from the Highway Department is

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where he worked, the Highway Department of Katamarica. And she

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wanted to study architecture and she was doing it well

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enough to like go to school, have plans for college,

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Like she knew what she wanted to do.

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She had plans.

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You know. She was not the kind of girl to

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go out every weekend, but on September seventh, she asked

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her parents if she could go out to dance because

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her friends were going out. Her parents said it was okay.

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She had also asked permission to stay with her friend

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that night, so like not come home, and yeah, they

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said it was fine, Like she had already done this

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a few times, not a lot, because she didn't go

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out that much. So yeah, she said bye to her mom,

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got into the car with her dad, who dropped her

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off at the bus stop, and that was the last

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time they both saw her alive. When she didn't return

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that night, her parents were a little worried, but not

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panicked because again she had asked permission to not come

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home that night and they knew she wasn't coming home.

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But then another day went by and still nothing.

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She wasn't back.

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That's when they started to become concerned. That Saturday afternoon,

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her mom was washing the dishes, and as she was

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washing the dishes, she thought she hurt Maria Soda crying

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but she wasn't home. She ran outside cause she's like,

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maybe she's outside.

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But no one was there.

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Later, it would be confirmed that the same time that

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Madia so Dad's mom heard her crying or thought she

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heard her crying, was the time of her time of death. Wow,

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like she believes she heard her daughter's Honestly, I believe

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it too. She heard her daughter's voice as she was dying.

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Oh my god, I mean I believe it too, because

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you hear about stuff like that all the time. Yeah,

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Like remember that other case, Reyna Marroquine I think was

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her last name, and she was a Salvadoran immigrant who

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was killed in New York. Yeah, and her mom kept

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having dreams. Yeah, her stuck somewhere without even knowing like

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what happened. Like things like this for sure happen. So yeah,

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our mom one hundred percent. Our mom told I don't

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know if you were there or she told you whatever,

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but she told me a similar story. But it wasn't

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like a murder or anything. But it was someone who

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died like of an illness and their family member either

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like saw like saw them walk by or you know

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like how people talk about that kind of like it

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was like that. And then like right after she got

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the call that she had passed or something like that.

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Yeah, no percent believe it.

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So, but you know, when her mom heard this, they

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still didn't know what happened. So the search for Maria continued,

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semi search. It was a small town in a small

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police department. Yeah. Then on Monday, September tenth, she was

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found on a roadside ditch by some construction workers, so

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not the police, just people that were on that road.

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She was pretty close to her house seven kilometers away

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is where this road was, or like highway type thing.

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When they found her, she was dressed in only a

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black sweater. She was in terrible shape. Is where I

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would say tugger warning because this is bad. Her jaw

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was broken, one of her ears had been cut off,

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her left eye socket was smashed in, her chest was

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covered in cigarette works. God, and there were signs of

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sexual assault, that she had been raped. Wow. And it

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left everyone wondering, like who could do such a horrible thing? Yeah,

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in this little tiny town, Like oh yeah, and maybe

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everyone knew each other or of each other, right, wow, exactly,

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And they had never seen anything like this, like no

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one like this was new to them. They called her

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dad to the scene and he was able to identify

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her by a small scar on her wrists because everything

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she was not recognizable because again her eye had been

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smashed in.

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Oh my god.

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Then things kind of like take a little turn here

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at the scene where they found her, it was like

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not secure at all. Like one neighbor remembers that he

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was able to just walk up and he's like, if

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I can just walk up, everyone could just walk up.

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Like nobody secured the scene, you know when you're supposed

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to like but the line do not cross. Nobody did that.

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They didn't collect any evidence from where they found her.

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And then the police chief had just like announced or

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had just like ordered someone to just bag her up, like, oh,

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just bag her up, don't like collect anything, don't take pictures,

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don't do a proper investigation of this scene here. And

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then at the morgue he ordered her to be like

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washed off like with like hoses like rints. Is this

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like the first like murder he ever encountered or what

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don't they like have training for this or shouldn't they

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Like well, but isn't it also like common sense so

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like like oh, this course, these are not natural injuries.

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Something happened. Let me I don't know, at least take

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pictures so it's documented, Like I feel like that's common sense. Yeah,

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when you know got out of who this was or

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they knew she was missing, like and it's a small town,

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people talk fast. So people said that there was a

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group of young men who were seeing with her last

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like lasting with her. Among those young men was the

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son of the police chief. Wait what so you know,

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word gets out fast that she was missing. People were

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already talking that the people who were last seeing with

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her was a group of young men. Among those young

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men was the police chief son. Wow. So I nowed

419
00:23:34.519 --> 00:23:37.960
with that piece of information. Now it's like, Okay, he's

420
00:23:38.279 --> 00:23:41.519
he's hiding things on purpose. He's messing with the investigation

421
00:23:41.960 --> 00:23:43.880
because his son is involved allegedly.

422
00:23:44.119 --> 00:23:44.319
Right.

423
00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:47.640
Wow, So he ordered for her just to be picked up.

424
00:23:47.839 --> 00:23:52.160
He had her win stuff with hoses. This created outrage already,

425
00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:54.640
like right away, because again people talk, people knew that

426
00:23:54.759 --> 00:23:59.240
he had done this. They did do a semi like investigation,

427
00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:02.880
so they didn't autopsy, They did a drug screening. They

428
00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:05.960
found out that she had been injected with a lethal

429
00:24:06.039 --> 00:24:10.480
dose of cocaine, and so they had announced the cause

430
00:24:10.519 --> 00:24:14.559
of death was a heart attack caused by the cocaine

431
00:24:14.599 --> 00:24:18.240
that was injected into her. And yeah, like I said,

432
00:24:18.319 --> 00:24:21.480
you know, if you're thinking, why would he just like

433
00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:28.200
not investigate Yeah, like dude, Yeah, I feel like being

434
00:24:28.240 --> 00:24:30.480
a parent like that is no excuse to try, Like

435
00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:32.960
you shouldn't try to cover everything your kids do they

436
00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:35.480
do something wrong, you need to hold him accountable like

437
00:24:35.680 --> 00:24:38.720
that is such shitty all around, like to your kid,

438
00:24:38.759 --> 00:24:41.200
no wonder, he's so such a horrible person to be

439
00:24:41.200 --> 00:24:44.359
able to do something like that, and it just causes

440
00:24:44.480 --> 00:24:48.440
he's been getting away with things like this obviously. Yeah yeah, wow, yeah,

441
00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:53.279
disgusting very so yeah, like I said, he the police

442
00:24:53.359 --> 00:24:55.440
chief was the father of one of the young men

443
00:24:55.559 --> 00:24:58.640
lasting with her that night. But what happened that night

444
00:24:58.720 --> 00:25:00.440
that was like they were still trying to find out.

445
00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:04.079
Mary Lean Barilla, a close friend of Mariceella's, was one

446
00:25:04.119 --> 00:25:07.440
of the first to testify or to give her account

447
00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:11.000
of the night. So all the girls they were part

448
00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:13.799
of this event where they were like collecting tickets at

449
00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:18.359
the at a club. The club was called lefel Roge,

450
00:25:18.680 --> 00:25:22.079
and so they were taking tickets for people to enter

451
00:25:22.200 --> 00:25:24.799
this club. So mary Lean and Maricella were at the

452
00:25:24.839 --> 00:25:27.799
door doing this. But before they got there, when they

453
00:25:27.799 --> 00:25:30.759
were all getting ready to go, all the girls attended

454
00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:33.000
the same school. They were a group of friends. So

455
00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:36.920
as they were getting ready to go to lefo Roge,

456
00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:39.160
while they were getting ready to go out. Maria had

457
00:25:39.160 --> 00:25:43.119
told all the girls that she was in love, that

458
00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:45.759
she had a boyfriend. This was like news, so then

459
00:25:45.799 --> 00:25:47.880
they didn't know. And so she was telling them about

460
00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:50.079
her boyfriend, who ended up being a man that was

461
00:25:50.119 --> 00:25:53.680
twelve years older than her. Oh no, his name was

462
00:25:53.880 --> 00:25:57.880
Louis Doula, and he also happened to be married, which

463
00:25:57.920 --> 00:26:01.079
she did not know at first. He was parading around

464
00:26:01.119 --> 00:26:03.240
the town like he was single, but now he was

465
00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:06.119
very married. So she told them all all of this, right,

466
00:26:06.200 --> 00:26:09.640
and so then they go out to Lefo Roge and

467
00:26:10.039 --> 00:26:13.519
marie Lene and Maricella were working the door. Around three am.

468
00:26:13.599 --> 00:26:16.160
For some reason, the power went out, like nobody knows why,

469
00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:20.200
and marie Lene went inside, leaving Maria solely that by

470
00:26:20.240 --> 00:26:22.920
herself up by the door. It's kind of weird to

471
00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:26.720
me that these are high schoolers, right or no, they're seventeen,

472
00:26:26.839 --> 00:26:30.119
So it wasn't clear to me if this is because

473
00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:33.599
the college colegio. But I don't know if it's a

474
00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:35.720
high school and this is their senior year or if

475
00:26:35.720 --> 00:26:39.319
it's like after the first year. Yeah, okay, I guess

476
00:26:39.359 --> 00:26:41.400
we don't that part because things could work a little

477
00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:45.160
bit differently. But right, picturing it like in our school,

478
00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:46.880
which I'm sure it's not the same. I'm sure they

479
00:26:46.960 --> 00:26:51.039
already like probably already graduated from like high school, and

480
00:26:51.079 --> 00:26:53.640
they're like in their first year of college, is my guess,

481
00:26:53.920 --> 00:26:57.079
because otherwise, if this was a high school organizing this event,

482
00:26:57.160 --> 00:27:00.359
it seems inappropriate. So I doubt that's the case. Yeah,

483
00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:02.200
that's what I was thinking after because I'm like, why

484
00:27:02.359 --> 00:27:04.079
was she Why would they be taking tickets at a

485
00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:06.240
dance club if they're in high school, Like, it doesn't

486
00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:07.839
make sense to me, but that's what they were doing.

487
00:27:08.039 --> 00:27:11.640
So at three am, the power in the club went out,

488
00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:14.240
and Marie Len went inside to see what was going on,

489
00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:18.519
leaving Maria sold out there by herself. When Marie Lene

490
00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:22.960
came back outside at the door, Maria solidad was gone,

491
00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:26.559
and so then they started to piece together what else happened.

492
00:27:26.599 --> 00:27:30.680
So other witnesses saw Maria's boyfriend Louis Doula pull up

493
00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:34.599
in his four Falcon while Marie Lene was inside. Then

494
00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:37.240
they saw them, you know, chat for a few minutes,

495
00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:40.559
and then people saw Maria go inside Louis Doula's car

496
00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:44.880
and they went to a different club called Clivus Clevis Kleivus.

497
00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:49.160
At this club, people saw Louis Doula introduce Maria Solada

498
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:54.599
to a group like his friends, including Guillermo Luke, son

499
00:27:54.759 --> 00:27:59.519
of a National congressman, Pablo I Diego Khalil, one of

500
00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:05.519
the nephew of the Intendent Superintendent in Gata Marca, Jose Falil,

501
00:28:05.599 --> 00:28:08.759
another one of the family members of that family, ad

502
00:28:08.759 --> 00:28:12.720
Nold Dito Saldi, cousin of the governor of Kata Marca

503
00:28:13.279 --> 00:28:17.880
and member of the very powerful Sadi family in Argentina

504
00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:22.279
and Katamarca. And then Miga Languel Ferreira, son of the

505
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:25.200
police chief. Okay, I was wondering who the son was.

506
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:27.640
I'm like, is it But I'm like no, you've already

507
00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:30.799
said if it was Louise, right, No, Mega Langel Ferreira, Yeah,

508
00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:32.960
is the son of the police chief. But all these

509
00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:37.160
other people, including Luis Tula the boyfriend, are all sons

510
00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:40.960
of powerful people. I have so many questions right now,

511
00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:42.480
but I feel like you're going to answer them, so

512
00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:45.440
I will save them or should them, and then you

513
00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:48.359
don't answer them, you just keep going. Okay, So first

514
00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:51.319
before my questions, let me bring back I don't know

515
00:28:51.319 --> 00:28:53.200
if Louis is going to end up doing something bad

516
00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:55.960
or not. But he's dating a seventeen year old and

517
00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:57.519
he's twelve years old than her, So even if he

518
00:28:57.559 --> 00:29:01.400
doesn't do anything violent to her, trash. Also, this brings

519
00:29:01.480 --> 00:29:04.680
back my theory that there are no good Louises out there.

520
00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:10.599
I forgot about every Louise, even overall he's like decent.

521
00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:14.720
There's something wrong with every Louise I know. I have

522
00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:20.880
never met a good Louise. Go to my father. Yeah,

523
00:29:21.799 --> 00:29:24.440
so perfect. If you're Louise. If your name is Louise

524
00:29:24.599 --> 00:29:30.640
and you're mad, I'm sorry. Be better for your namesakes

525
00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:34.039
out there, for your what is it when you have

526
00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:39.279
the same name? Yeah, yeah, for your Tokyo's out there?

527
00:29:39.799 --> 00:29:44.400
Do better. Police and my questions are okay, like who

528
00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:48.000
was involved? Was it a group thing that they attacked her?

529
00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:54.079
Was it only the son that you said, Miguel, all right,

530
00:29:54.200 --> 00:29:56.240
that's the son of the police chief. Yes, the son

531
00:29:56.279 --> 00:29:59.200
of the police chief. What the fuck? That was really

532
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:01.279
my only question? If they we're all involved, okay, yeah,

533
00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:06.559
that will be answered, y god, I'm not ready. So

534
00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:09.359
so yeah, these were the people seeing with her that

535
00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:11.720
people saw them right at this club.

536
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:12.559
Oh, my god.

537
00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:15.079
Then sorry, I don't I don't want to sound I

538
00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:18.359
hope this doesn't sound like I'm victim blaming. But why

539
00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:22.000
would you get in a car with the bunch of men? Like, right,

540
00:30:23.799 --> 00:30:27.000
if she went to the club with her boyfriend, that

541
00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:28.680
first club of her own will, but he was the

542
00:30:28.720 --> 00:30:31.559
only in the car, Yeah, when they went to the

543
00:30:31.559 --> 00:30:34.759
other club. But then after that, you'll see why oka why,

544
00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:37.519
I'm just like, so, is there anything scarier out there

545
00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:41.440
than a car full of men? I don't think seen,

546
00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:47.920
you know, even at this age, actually, like at any age. Yeah. Yeah,

547
00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:50.400
So she was last seen getting in the car with

548
00:30:50.480 --> 00:30:53.559
these men, and rumors started spraying it around town, and

549
00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:57.400
everybody knew they had powerful connections. They were they started

550
00:30:57.400 --> 00:31:10.759
calling them the powers. So three different people testified, and

551
00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:12.880
I keep saying testified, but these are like statements to

552
00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:17.279
the police. They told police.

553
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:21.039
Yeah, but that's like longer. So three different.

554
00:31:20.759 --> 00:31:25.400
People told police. Yeah, three different people told police that

555
00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:29.400
they saw Maria walking to the car with these men.

556
00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:32.599
A separate woman also told the police that she was

557
00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:36.160
the one who had introduced mad and Louis Tula, confirming

558
00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:38.440
the relationship did exist, because you know, you know, they

559
00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:40.839
were going to try and lie about it, like she

560
00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:43.319
wanted to be my girlfriend, but I didn't allow it

561
00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:48.240
because I'm married. Oh my god, I forgot he was married. Yes, yeah,

562
00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:53.279
yeah he is. So this was a separate woman confirming

563
00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:56.559
the relationship because you know, she told the friends about it.

564
00:31:56.559 --> 00:31:58.759
But the friends can confirm it because they hadn't met

565
00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:02.200
up or anything, right, right, But this woman can. So

566
00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:05.640
you know, she told the police that. And then mary

567
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:11.319
Lean's boyfriend the back from club lefar Roge, he saw

568
00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:17.799
them leaving in the car together and was hege yes,

569
00:32:18.680 --> 00:32:22.720
appropriately aged, proper boyfriend. He of mary Lean's. He saw

570
00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:24.720
her get in the car with Lis Tula, and he

571
00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:27.640
saw a jeep behind them, and in that jeep was

572
00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:32.839
four men, probably these these full names. Yeah yeah. Then

573
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:38.200
radio conductor was driving early early on the tenth like

574
00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:42.200
a dawn on route thirty eight. He saw a police

575
00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:46.400
officer and several people on the road and he in

576
00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:49.640
a natural cheese muscle out of his car to ask

577
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:52.920
what was going on, but the officer like waved him away, like, hey, no,

578
00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:55.400
there was an accident here, don't come here. But then

579
00:32:55.960 --> 00:32:58.720
when he left, it looked like they were being sketchy

580
00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:01.599
to him, but he said, whatever, it was natural cheese

581
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:04.279
muscle would know if someone was trying to hide something.

582
00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:08.200
So yes, praise the chief cancles out there. She's most yes,

583
00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:10.240
and so he got back in his car.

584
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:10.799
He left.

585
00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:13.839
But then, like you know, a few hours later, news

586
00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:16.160
broke out that she was found on that road and

587
00:33:16.160 --> 00:33:18.359
he's like, wait a minute, that's where they told me

588
00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:20.240
there was a car accident. Why do they tell me

589
00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:24.160
car accident? Why we were and they were there before

590
00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:27.480
she was found by the construction workers. Oh my god,

591
00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:31.839
this just gets worse and worse. Yeah, so obviously something

592
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:35.440
was being hidden and he starketching like yeah, like, hey,

593
00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:37.759
well I actually saw them they found her before they

594
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:41.200
found her, Like police were already aware, wow, before the

595
00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:45.720
construction workers reported her finding her, So that already didn't

596
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:51.720
add up. So then after all this, police came out

597
00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:54.559
with our version of events of what happened to her.

598
00:33:54.680 --> 00:34:00.200
Police Chief Ferreira stated that Marielada had been walking on

599
00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:02.640
Route thirty eight when she was attacked by some random men.

600
00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:07.359
And then he said, yeah, then he said, let this

601
00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:08.719
be a lesson to parents.

602
00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:11.239
Fuck you. Wow.

603
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:15.119
Yeah, and he this is a direct quote here I

604
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:17.320
asked that they have more control over their children. They

605
00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:19.679
should know who their friends are. They should know when

606
00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:22.440
they're going out and not allow them to drift. This

607
00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:27.119
is fundamental for children's safety. I cannot believe that he

608
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:31.960
was blaming her parents when his son he was covering

609
00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:36.239
up for his son. Wow. So yeah, he blamed her

610
00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:39.679
parents for her death, knowing that he was hiding something

611
00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:42.800
that his son was one of the named people that

612
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:44.000
were lasting with her.

613
00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:44.920
Wow.

614
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:47.719
Then they tried after this didn't work, they tried to

615
00:34:48.400 --> 00:34:53.039
blame Luis Tulas's wife or her death what like, Oh,

616
00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:55.800
she was a jealous wife and she killed the side piece.

617
00:34:56.239 --> 00:34:59.840
But nobody believed they're gone because on top of everything

618
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:04.519
was people who saw them that they all those young men, right,

619
00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:07.599
and everyone knew the names of the young men involved.

620
00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:11.880
And so that's when Sister Marta Peoni, a nun in

621
00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:16.239
charge of the school that Maria attended, she also everyone

622
00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:18.679
was hearing these rumors, including her, and she would now

623
00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:21.119
stand for it. She started telling everyone that there were

624
00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:24.000
powerful people involved in Maria's death and that they were

625
00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:27.519
trying to cover it up. Yes, sister, yes, sister right.

626
00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:33.559
And then on September fourteenth, she better not be led. Okay, no, no, no,

627
00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:36.760
I thought they were going to are no no, Well

628
00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:41.559
you never know. So on September fourteenth, Sister Peoni led

629
00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:45.639
seven hundred of her students from the school all the

630
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:49.159
way to the central plaza of Katamarca, next to the

631
00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:53.000
government house and the cathedral, and they stood there demanding justice.

632
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:54.079
Love it, love it.

633
00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:55.000
Yes.

634
00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:58.039
At the same time, Maria's friends were going to different

635
00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:00.960
radio stations demanding justice, saying that thing was being hidden,

636
00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:04.000
including the radio conductor from earlier who will agreed like yeah,

637
00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:06.480
he was like, come come on.

638
00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:10.079
Come, please, come on at this time. Wow. Yeah.

639
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:14.239
Then the following Thursday, Sister Peoni led another march, this

640
00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:19.760
time four thousand people marched with the students, including Maria's parents,

641
00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:23.800
all demanding justice. The next week, seven thousand people marched,

642
00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:27.960
and this continued. The following week, fifteen thousand people marched,

643
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:31.760
after that twenty thousand, and then all over at Quentina,

644
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:35.880
in different cities, thousands of people were marching demanding justice

645
00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:39.760
for Maria Solida. That's amazing because you know what, Yes,

646
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:43.679
this happened to Maria Solda, but this happens all over

647
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:47.840
to so many girls and women in children, sometimes men,

648
00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:51.880
but not usually, you know, and they could no longer

649
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:55.920
be ignored. People started calling out not only demanding justice

650
00:36:56.320 --> 00:36:58.800
for Maria Solada, but they started calling out the people

651
00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:02.039
in power. Yes, yes, and that's what I was getting

652
00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:06.239
at with my comment. This is one yeah, case, one victim,

653
00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:11.039
one you know, girl, but it speaks to such larger

654
00:37:11.079 --> 00:37:14.599
issues like everything you just said before I start talking

655
00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:18.679
right now, nobody, you're right, you're right. Yeah. And so

656
00:37:18.760 --> 00:37:21.679
they started calling out the Sadis for nepotism and corruption

657
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:24.679
because they were this big political family that like kept

658
00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:27.320
it among themselves. I'm picturing it. Yeah.

659
00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:28.440
Yeah.

660
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:31.559
They called for the police chief to resign. Uh, they

661
00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:34.159
said the whole system was corrupt. Everybody's going to go

662
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:37.639
on top of demanding justice for Maria. So sister Peoni

663
00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:42.119
told reporters that she felt that Maria Morales saved Katamarca

664
00:37:42.199 --> 00:37:46.719
from corruption, like she saved democracy for the town. Wow,

665
00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:49.039
because this is when now when people were also calling

666
00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:53.119
out everything else. Yeah. By the end of October, the governor,

667
00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:57.400
Governor Sadi was tired of the marches and he called

668
00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:03.679
for a March of truth. The Margins part of the government. Yeah,

669
00:38:03.679 --> 00:38:07.280
only a few thousand showed up, if that, that's been generous.

670
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:14.519
The following Thursday, after he did that, the following march

671
00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:17.199
for Mariasolda drew thirty thousand people.

672
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:18.400
Wow.

673
00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:22.440
And these marches for her were marches of silence, So

674
00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:25.559
there were no banners, no slogans, just the sound of

675
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:31.440
thousands and thousands of people all walking to the government offices.

676
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:34.039
They stopped in front of the cathedral and then there

677
00:38:34.239 --> 00:38:38.079
they had speakers where then they took turns like demanding

678
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:42.119
for justice or like people leading in prayer. Wow. And

679
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:45.519
that's just like so like medicine, like just like everybody walking. Yeah,

680
00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:46.960
you know why they're walking, but they don't even they

681
00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:48.639
don't need to say need to say it. Yeah.

682
00:38:48.880 --> 00:38:49.360
Wow.

683
00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:50.639
Powerful.

684
00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:51.559
Yeah.

685
00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:56.079
Even Buenos Aidas was sending reporters to cover the marches

686
00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:59.639
in Katamarca every Thursday night. This was the only thing

687
00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:02.039
on the new was like in every single channel in

688
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:05.280
the country. It literally got to the point it couldn't

689
00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:09.559
be ignored. That January nineteen ninety one, the President of Argentina,

690
00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:13.440
Carlos Menem, sent a team of investigators to Katamarka.

691
00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:14.000
Wow.

692
00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:19.599
Judge Hossel, Louis Bentimiglia and Deputy Inspector Louis Pati signed note.

693
00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:24.440
Louis Pati was later arrested for like torture of a criminal.

694
00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:29.880
He just really wanted to get the criminals in whatever way, and.

695
00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:30.800
That's not right either.

696
00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:35.360
But at the time he was a very famous officer

697
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:38.440
known to be like tough on crime, and they they

698
00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:41.360
said he was like champion of the victim and a

699
00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:44.559
misfortune for criminals. But yeah, later, years later he would

700
00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:49.159
be arrested and in jail for his own issues. And

701
00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:52.880
then Judge Jose he lived through the right wing military

702
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:56.880
dictatorship and they were he received death threats because he

703
00:39:57.000 --> 00:40:00.280
was always there to send up for human rights. I

704
00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:02.440
love it, I love it. Yeah, so this is that

705
00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:07.000
he received. Of course, No, of course he didn't need

706
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:10.480
to explain. No, you know, we got it. This was

707
00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:13.000
the all star duo team that they were setting to

708
00:40:13.039 --> 00:40:16.159
katamarca dynamic duo. Yeah, there you go, that's the word

709
00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:18.079
I was looking for. And they got to work right

710
00:40:18.079 --> 00:40:20.880
away immediately. One of the first things they did was

711
00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:23.880
arrest the police chief for the suspicion of carenap crime.

712
00:40:24.079 --> 00:40:24.400
Good.

713
00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:30.079
Then they started questioning all those named by the different witnesses,

714
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:34.079
the sons of power, right, they started bringing them all in.

715
00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:37.079
They ordered like all of them, like at least twenty

716
00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:40.079
people to not leave town because they were being questioned.

717
00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:44.440
They were actually investigating. They were even arresting people that

718
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:49.239
were not connected to Mariosoathan's burder. Okay, because the town

719
00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:51.039
was like there was a lot of corruption going on.

720
00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:53.639
So there was a different woman named they came that

721
00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:58.000
clean up the streets. That yeah, wow, that's what they

722
00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:01.320
were doing. So Jonana Garcia was known as Tiaoli and

723
00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:04.920
she ran the town's brothel with her husband, and they

724
00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:08.039
were known to do a lot of like illegal, shady things,

725
00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:10.679
and they just arrested her. The charge was like she

726
00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:13.480
was being held for questioning, that's it. And this was

727
00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:16.039
just to show people like there were no more untouchables

728
00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:19.840
in Gata Marca. And as they brought people in for questioning,

729
00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:25.480
they were able to piece together what happened that night.

730
00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:29.280
So on the night of the seventh mariasole Lad was

731
00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:33.559
part of that dance with her school that were at

732
00:41:33.639 --> 00:41:36.079
Lefa Roge. But unlike when she told her parents, her

733
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:37.880
plan was not to spend the night with her friend,

734
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:40.559
but to spend the night with Louis Dula, her boyfriend.

735
00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:43.679
Which teams teens do this, Yeah, and of course it

736
00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:45.960
does not mean they should be killed, no, of course.

737
00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:49.639
And so she left before this event was over, because

738
00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:53.119
around three to three thirty am, Louise Doula arrived to

739
00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:55.440
pick her up. When she was picked up, there was

740
00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:58.440
a gep behind him in his car, so that she

741
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:00.239
was full of all the other names we've already said.

742
00:42:01.719 --> 00:42:05.079
Then the two cars went to Club Klibus, where then

743
00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:07.679
she was officially introduced to the people in the gep

744
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:09.920
those names that I've already said, and they're like, I

745
00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:11.320
got a scroll up, so I'm not gonna do it.

746
00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:14.960
So then they were seen leaving the club all together,

747
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:19.039
and as she was walking out, bartender said that the

748
00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:22.360
men were groping her as she was walking out, and

749
00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:26.239
she looked so out of it and Dezzy, oh my god.

750
00:42:26.559 --> 00:42:29.719
So at this point they pieced together she had already

751
00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:32.400
been drugged with something, so she didn't leave of her

752
00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:36.519
own will with all these men. She was completely out

753
00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:36.760
of it.

754
00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:37.079
Wow.

755
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:41.159
Then they took her to Los Alamos, an empty set

756
00:42:41.199 --> 00:42:44.519
of buildings not that far and they all took turns

757
00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:49.800
abusing her. Oh my god, I cannot believe the discustingness

758
00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:54.480
of this all. Yeah, despite this testimony, only two men

759
00:42:54.679 --> 00:43:00.719
were charged. Diermo Luke was charged with premeditated murder and

760
00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:03.639
Louis Dula was charged with participating. I guess maybe there

761
00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:06.480
wasn't enough probably yeah, yeah, yeah, but evidence for all

762
00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:09.199
the rest of the men, yeah, including the son of

763
00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:12.760
the police chief. So only Louis Doudat a boyfriend, and

764
00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:16.400
then Guiheromuluke, the son of a congressman, I think it's

765
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:20.840
what he was, they were charged. So Guietomluca was charged

766
00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:24.960
with premeditated murder and then Louis Dula was charged with participating.

767
00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:27.679
But he wasn't the one who committed the murder, just

768
00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:31.400
participated the trial. It took some time for it to

769
00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:34.079
get going, but in nineteen ninety six is when the

770
00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:36.800
first trial took place, because yes, there was more than one.

771
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:40.440
During this first trial, all the witnesses, the people who

772
00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:44.400
gave their statement to the police that had previously stated

773
00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:47.039
they saw Marianne with these men, they all took back

774
00:43:47.079 --> 00:43:51.519
their statements. What yeah, And then one former classmate of

775
00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:54.440
theirs tried to accuse them of something I don't even remember,

776
00:43:54.519 --> 00:43:56.760
like it was something so non trivial, but she was

777
00:43:56.760 --> 00:43:59.559
trying to say they were like guilty of something. And

778
00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:02.840
then Sister Paionni was like, how dare you? She was

779
00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:06.239
trying to say who was guilty of something? Sorry, Madias friends,

780
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:08.960
Oh wow, and Sister Paioni, Oh wow, what the hell?

781
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:09.480
Yeah?

782
00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:12.920
And then Sister Pagoni was like like, only God knows

783
00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:14.280
what you're doing right now, and I hope that you're

784
00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:16.400
like ashamed of yourself, like that you could be doing

785
00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:20.920
something so evil right now lying because it wasn't true,

786
00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:24.400
like she was just trying to like incriminate them now

787
00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:28.480
for nothing. And so they had lost you know, the testimony,

788
00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:32.639
earlier statements from people, and it was clear this this

789
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:35.440
trial was a mess, like people it just wasn't like

790
00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:38.400
people were lying now at the stand taking back and

791
00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:39.719
it's like, are they being bribed?

792
00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:40.320
What's going on?

793
00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:43.880
Probably they're being bribed. So this trial was suspended. Then

794
00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:46.519
a new trial was called and it took time because

795
00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:48.960
then they had to find people that weren't like personally

796
00:44:49.480 --> 00:44:51.760
involved and then got the marka that was just was

797
00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:54.519
not possible. Everybody knew each other, so they had to

798
00:44:54.559 --> 00:44:57.440
find new a new jury. I almost forgot the word jury.

799
00:44:57.519 --> 00:44:58.920
Oh okay, I was like, what do you mean, like

800
00:44:59.000 --> 00:44:59.480
new people that.

801
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:00.280
Yeah.

802
00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:03.079
He hadn't said yeah, jury jury, he just said people

803
00:45:03.400 --> 00:45:04.559
what new people?

804
00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:06.599
Yeah, and a new judge as well.

805
00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:09.960
Okay. And so then the second trial took place in

806
00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:13.599
nineteen ninety seven, and this one, oh sorry, the last

807
00:45:13.639 --> 00:45:15.920
one was also being filmed and aired on TV. I

808
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:18.880
forgot to say that this time, this one was not

809
00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:21.239
being filmed because it was just causing too much problems.

810
00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:25.519
And now this time the bartender at the second club

811
00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:28.400
did come forward and give a testimony about what he saw,

812
00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:32.960
finally incriminating both men. Good and so Guillermo Luke was

813
00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:36.599
sentenced to twenty seven years in prison for Maria Solivad's

814
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:40.840
rape and murder, and then Louis Doula was sentenced to

815
00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:44.000
nine years in prison for his involvement in the rape

816
00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:47.039
and murder. This happened in nineteen eighty eight because the

817
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:51.920
trial was that long. Also from Guillermo Guillermo Luke, the

818
00:45:52.039 --> 00:45:55.800
newspaper La Nacion reported that he was freed into twenty

819
00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:59.800
ten after serving two thirds of a sentence for gould

820
00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:03.000
be Wow and at the time of his release in

821
00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:06.719
twenty ten, he still maintained his innocence. During a press conference,

822
00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:08.920
he said the following, I'm an innocent man who was

823
00:46:08.960 --> 00:46:12.920
in prison even though people saw him and back to jail. Yeah,

824
00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:17.239
Louis Doula. He was freed in two dozen and three

825
00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:20.679
and he only served five years of his nine year sentence.

826
00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:24.559
During those three years, he trained to become a lawyer

827
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:27.159
while in prison, and so he became a lawyer. He

828
00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:31.159
was able to become a lawyer even with that history, apparently. Wow.

829
00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:36.360
And both of them still live in Gatamarca, although sat down.

830
00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:40.519
In June twenty nineteen, Louis Dulas's ex wife accused him

831
00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:45.159
of domestic violence and that he tried to stab her

832
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:49.119
twenty five year old son. Shocking, right, Like, I'm not surprised.

833
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:52.400
He never responded to any of that, but I mean,

834
00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:55.519
I believe her, believe her. Yeah, she was granted a

835
00:46:55.519 --> 00:46:58.920
restraining order against him in twenty nineteen. And yeah, both

836
00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:02.719
men still live in Katama, so does the Medias's family,

837
00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:05.320
her mother and her siblings. Her father did pass away

838
00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:06.159
in two thousand and six.

839
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:07.159
I was fathering.

840
00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:11.400
Oh that's yeah, But yeah, the rest of them still

841
00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:14.079
have to like see each other around Cata America, which

842
00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:14.840
is wild to me.

843
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:15.320
Wow.

844
00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:18.159
And the rest of the men were never charged. That

845
00:47:18.280 --> 00:47:22.760
is horrible. Like I'm glad some two of the men

846
00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:30.519
were somewhat held accountable, but yeah, not really right. Yeah,

847
00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:35.559
and her mom, her siblings, friends, they are still like,

848
00:47:35.679 --> 00:47:38.840
you know, demanding justice for everyone else involved in the

849
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:42.719
crimea that never received any charges. And there's actually a

850
00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:47.760
new Netflix documentary called Breaking the Silence the Madias Old Case,

851
00:47:48.440 --> 00:47:51.960
and it's all her friends being interviewed about media and

852
00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:54.760
about that night. I watched like half an hour of it,

853
00:47:55.679 --> 00:47:58.199
but I was writting out of time because I was

854
00:47:58.239 --> 00:48:00.079
writing all these and I did all my research, and

855
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:03.440
then I was like, oh my god, there's yeah, and

856
00:48:03.639 --> 00:48:05.280
the first half I watched it, like it was like

857
00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:08.360
the same information. But it's like it's always to me,

858
00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:10.000
goot to watch these because then you get to see

859
00:48:10.039 --> 00:48:12.920
her friends talking about her and how like there's footage

860
00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:16.119
of her playing her guitar. Yeah, she was a whole

861
00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:19.400
person with the whole life before her life was taken

862
00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:23.039
by these horrible men. Yeah, And so I didn't watch

863
00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:26.440
it for research. I watched it just so I can

864
00:48:26.480 --> 00:48:28.280
get more because since yeah, like I said, see the

865
00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:31.840
real person. Yeah, and yeah it is. It is very emotional,

866
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:33.840
even just the first thirty minutes that I watched. When

867
00:48:33.880 --> 00:48:37.599
I watch it, I highly recommend that as well. But yeah,

868
00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:42.000
that was the case of Maria. That was Yeah, that

869
00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:46.400
was rough. That's infuriating, very very It's just like when

870
00:48:46.400 --> 00:48:48.920
you thought it couldn't get worse, it it did. Yeah,

871
00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:52.880
when you thought the corruption was over, it wasn't. Yeah.

872
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:55.039
But yeah, well take another little outbreak here and then

873
00:48:55.039 --> 00:49:02.519
we'll come back with speaky recommendations. All right, and we're

874
00:49:02.679 --> 00:49:05.679
back with spooky recommendations. Do you have any you want

875
00:49:05.679 --> 00:49:08.400
to go first? I actually don't have any. I haven't

876
00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:12.280
really I haven't been watching anything scary. I've been watching

877
00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:15.920
Queer Eye and reruns of the Office now that I

878
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:20.119
have Peacock again, and also sat Saint Denis Medical. I

879
00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:21.079
started watching that.

880
00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:22.039
How do you like it?

881
00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:23.880
I like it. I think it's funny. I love that

882
00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:30.800
actor ever since I saw him on Cherry Do Duty. Yeah, er, yeah, yeah,

883
00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:32.920
he's so funny. I was like, oh, I love him too.

884
00:49:33.079 --> 00:49:35.079
He's not like playing the same character, but the same

885
00:49:35.119 --> 00:49:37.199
vibe because he's like I don't know what because he

886
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:40.280
says that he's from a highly religious community and all

887
00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:44.519
this stuff. So yeah, I like it that a lot

888
00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:46.480
of the actors from Superstore are in it.

889
00:49:46.800 --> 00:49:47.159
Yeah.

890
00:49:47.239 --> 00:49:49.239
I just got to the episode with the about the

891
00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:51.760
mean nurses, and I was like so happy to see

892
00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:54.760
I forgot his name, but you know who I'm talking about. Yes,

893
00:49:55.239 --> 00:49:57.639
I love Mattel from Superstore.

894
00:49:58.000 --> 00:49:58.239
Yeah.

895
00:49:58.320 --> 00:50:03.400
The Filipino Mafia. Yeah. Yeah. No, that I've been like

896
00:50:03.440 --> 00:50:05.320
in the show. I've been watching every new episode as

897
00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:11.199
it comes out. Besides that, I listened to another audiobook

898
00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:15.079
about Christmas or Christmas Eve, one, like a Christmas brom

899
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:18.440
com one. And then I just finished Christmas rom com

900
00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:21.559
type book too, So that's where my mind has been at.

901
00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:25.559
And dairy Christmas. Yeah, and then I started listening to

902
00:50:25.639 --> 00:50:27.679
an audiobook. I feel like it's related to like what

903
00:50:27.719 --> 00:50:30.559
we talk about here, because we talk about like, uh,

904
00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:36.199
these crime stories where people live and experience like difficult

905
00:50:36.199 --> 00:50:38.679
lives and their abuse and things like that. So I

906
00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:40.920
start I'm not done yet, but I started listening to

907
00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:45.440
It's a memoir. But I'm really it's weird to say

908
00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:47.760
I'm enjoying it because you know, they're talking about hard things.

909
00:50:48.320 --> 00:50:52.599
But I am enjoying it. I don't know how what else?

910
00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:55.119
How else is described that you were going to st Yeah,

911
00:50:55.159 --> 00:50:58.440
I don't know how to say. How YO say. It's

912
00:50:58.480 --> 00:51:03.199
called That Bird Has My Wings by Jarvis J. Masters

913
00:51:04.400 --> 00:51:07.599
and it's about a man who is a death row

914
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:12.519
inmate and he's largely believed to be innocent, and it's

915
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:14.760
like his you know, his memoir. I don't know when

916
00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:18.679
it came out, but okay, that sounds fascinating. Yeah, so

917
00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:20.480
it just that thirty two. I want to read it

918
00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:22.840
all because I'm probably gona talk like the whole description

919
00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:25.960
of it, synopsis, whatever, because I'm probably gonna talk about

920
00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:28.760
it once I actually finish it. Okay, Yeah, I guess

921
00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:35.239
I'll just end it there. But I'm enjoying it so far. Okay,

922
00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:42.719
I have a whole or my hold came through on

923
00:51:42.760 --> 00:51:49.480
the Bee for the Reformatory by Tan Aviev. Do I

924
00:51:49.480 --> 00:51:52.119
think I have that on my tag that's to be read?

925
00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:55.199
But I remember if I have it the audiobook tagged

926
00:51:55.320 --> 00:51:59.360
or the ebook. Oh yeah, I'm listening to the audiobook

927
00:51:59.400 --> 00:52:01.440
and I'm only a little bit like twenty percent in,

928
00:52:01.639 --> 00:52:04.320
so I'm I'm just I'm just saying that I started

929
00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:06.719
reading it, but I haven't finished it, but so far

930
00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:10.000
it's it's just like a tough read. And it seems

931
00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:13.760
that the scariest thing is where he sent a reformatory

932
00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:18.280
school for black boys. It reminds me, I sort of like,

933
00:52:18.519 --> 00:52:20.079
sorry to cut you off, but it remind me of

934
00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:24.199
the one you talked about last time by Victor Laval

935
00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:28.360
where they go to the Devil and the something.

936
00:52:29.239 --> 00:52:30.440
I forget what it's called.

937
00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:32.199
But that's exactly what I was gonna say. Oh, okay,

938
00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:35.480
so sorry, just being me to it, no worries. So yeah,

939
00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:37.360
I just started reading that. I don't I'm sure I'm

940
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:40.440
gonna like it, but I just you know, but I

941
00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:44.039
do have a speaker recommendation. I, as everyone knows, have

942
00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:47.320
been a little bit obsessed with zombies this year. Yeah,

943
00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:53.880
since October. And there's a show, a limited release series

944
00:52:53.920 --> 00:52:57.199
on Netflix. It's there for a year. It's called The Happiness.

945
00:52:57.239 --> 00:53:00.519
It's a K drama. So you know, if you like dramas,

946
00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:02.400
this is one of the best out there right now.

947
00:53:02.760 --> 00:53:05.000
But if you don't like K dramas, you don't like

948
00:53:05.079 --> 00:53:09.079
reading some titles, you're weird or you know, too tired, whatever,

949
00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:10.960
eating you can't there's things you can't do. That's my

950
00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:15.000
problem because I watch you go down to see what

951
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:20.360
you're eating, clear in your mouth, right, So I mostly

952
00:53:20.360 --> 00:53:22.480
watched it while I was laying down instead of sleeping,

953
00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:24.079
like I was just looking ah, so that was.

954
00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:25.000
The only thing to look at.

955
00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:31.679
But it's such a twist on the like normal zombie,

956
00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:35.519
it's so different and also just you know, I love

957
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:39.119
a social commentary horror, and so there is commentary on

958
00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:45.000
being rich and like privilege. Okay, yeah, So just like

959
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:48.199
a brief synopsis without spoilers unless you want the carmen

960
00:53:48.239 --> 00:53:50.760
olcome to you. But so they are in the spar

961
00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:53.480
like it's the main characters are police officers. One is

962
00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:56.360
a part of like this terrorist unit or whatever, and

963
00:53:56.400 --> 00:53:58.800
the other one is like a detective. And she there

964
00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:02.880
are BFFs, and she wants an apartment in this building

965
00:54:03.159 --> 00:54:05.199
where police officers get to stay on the fifth floor

966
00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:08.079
if they have enough points, and she doesn't have enough points,

967
00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:11.920
but then she marries her bff and that's when they

968
00:54:11.920 --> 00:54:13.800
have enough points and they move in. But then when

969
00:54:13.840 --> 00:54:17.000
they move in, basically the outbreak happens and the building

970
00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:21.239
is quarantined, and so you get to see how they're

971
00:54:21.239 --> 00:54:24.360
dealing with this inside this building where the first five

972
00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:27.079
floors of the building are like basically public housing, and

973
00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:30.000
then the rest of the floors are all the very rich,

974
00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:32.559
rich people who I can afford this very expensive a

975
00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:36.599
permanent building. Interesting. Yeah, and the way the outbreak happens

976
00:54:36.840 --> 00:54:41.480
very unique. The way the zombies are also very unique.

977
00:54:41.960 --> 00:54:44.960
And on top of that, it's also like a murder mystery. Okay,

978
00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:46.559
that actually sounds really good.

979
00:54:46.920 --> 00:54:47.320
It is.

980
00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:52.480
It is so fine the space and time to devote

981
00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:56.679
my attention to this. I don't know why I said it,

982
00:54:56.719 --> 00:54:59.199
Like I don't know why you said it either, but

983
00:54:59.239 --> 00:55:03.119
I like it. But yeah, that is my speaker recommendation. Wow.

984
00:55:03.800 --> 00:55:04.880
So yeah, I don't know.

985
00:55:05.079 --> 00:55:08.480
I guess it's just that last episode before Christmas. It is,

986
00:55:09.199 --> 00:55:13.840
I think so, because this is the nineteen Yeah it

987
00:55:13.880 --> 00:55:17.480
is Okay, Well in that case, at least I me

988
00:55:17.559 --> 00:55:23.760
that's for those who celebrate that fairly. See that tell

989
00:55:23.760 --> 00:55:25.280
me why I forgot the words I was gonna sing

990
00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:25.440
with it.

991
00:55:25.480 --> 00:55:26.239
I almost forgot it.

992
00:55:27.239 --> 00:55:32.800
Do you remember when we were in and we had

993
00:55:32.800 --> 00:55:37.159
the Christmas show and then you lip synced the beginning

994
00:55:37.159 --> 00:55:40.320
of all I want is you by wait that's not yeah,

995
00:55:40.360 --> 00:55:42.039
And I was like to put in everything to it

996
00:55:42.119 --> 00:55:44.760
that performance. Oh yeah, Oh she was so serious. She

997
00:55:44.960 --> 00:55:47.559
was like, because you know the beginning, it's just a music.

998
00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:49.960
So she was just like and I I was mad

999
00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:52.760
first of all because my class did just a group

1000
00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:55.519
thing and I didn't have any attention, you know, to

1001
00:55:55.599 --> 00:55:58.920
shine or whatever. I was lucky, not loky. I was jealous.

1002
00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:02.280
I was. I know you were yeah wow, and yeah

1003
00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:04.880
I remember Christina like practicing. She would like, They're like

1004
00:56:04.920 --> 00:56:07.639
dramatically looked to one side. I had to, Yeah, I

1005
00:56:07.639 --> 00:56:10.639
had to dramatically walk around stage and look and look sad.

1006
00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:13.800
And then that was my only part in the beginning.

1007
00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:17.440
She did so, and then yeah, it was it was fun.

1008
00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:22.719
I loved it. It cemented my love for attention. Yeah, nobody,

1009
00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:28.079
nobody did. And then our cousin, our little cousin that

1010
00:56:28.159 --> 00:56:32.000
also went to school, he remember his classing the fore

1011
00:56:32.039 --> 00:56:34.239
Listna with that song, and that's what started this whole.

1012
00:56:34.280 --> 00:56:37.280
I forgot about them. Yeah that's how that happened. Okay, yeah,

1013
00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:41.000
I was wondering how you so, speaking of attention, I

1014
00:56:41.039 --> 00:56:45.039
went to go get my nails done. Right, and the

1015
00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:50.679
Nell girls were playing Jersey Shore like from the beginning,

1016
00:56:50.920 --> 00:56:54.320
and I remember watching Jersey Shore, but I don't remember, like,

1017
00:56:55.480 --> 00:56:58.119
I don't remember any of it. And in the first

1018
00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:01.599
couple episodes, Snooky wants to leave because she's like and

1019
00:57:01.639 --> 00:57:03.199
I used to being treated like this. I used to

1020
00:57:03.239 --> 00:57:05.440
be in the attention everywhere I go, and I need

1021
00:57:05.480 --> 00:57:07.360
to leave here because I don't know how to deal

1022
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:12.039
with it. That would be us. It was funny. It

1023
00:57:12.119 --> 00:57:12.599
was funny.

1024
00:57:13.280 --> 00:57:14.440
It's funny.

1025
00:57:14.519 --> 00:57:17.800
Yeah, And my nail girl would like tell me like, oh,

1026
00:57:17.800 --> 00:57:19.440
put your nails, like, you know, the little thing. And

1027
00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:21.519
then I'm like distracted to watching the show because so wow,

1028
00:57:21.639 --> 00:57:23.639
it really caught my attention. But I did because I

1029
00:57:23.840 --> 00:57:27.039
like to take my kindle to finish books too. But

1030
00:57:27.199 --> 00:57:28.960
and I did manage to finish the book that I

1031
00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:34.119
was reading, the Christmas Wooky and while watching also the show,

1032
00:57:34.239 --> 00:57:37.840
so it's better for my brain. Yeah. Yeah, a lot

1033
00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:41.920
of stimulation there, Yeah, just a perfect amount. I was

1034
00:57:42.039 --> 00:57:47.239
just dying. That's Niky Snooks. And then we were it

1035
00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:48.800
was just funny because we're like, wow, we forgot how

1036
00:57:48.880 --> 00:57:51.079
much of a bitch this person was and it was

1037
00:57:51.119 --> 00:57:51.519
just funny.

1038
00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:52.639
Yeah, I might.

1039
00:57:52.800 --> 00:57:54.079
I don't know if I want to rewatch it, but

1040
00:57:54.360 --> 00:57:57.199
it was funny. Sometimes I do when I come across

1041
00:57:57.440 --> 00:58:01.679
TikTok clips. Yeah, especially what's it call Ron? And uh

1042
00:58:01.719 --> 00:58:04.840
god was it Sammy Sammy? Yeah, Sammy sweetheart? Oh and

1043
00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:06.599
her voice grading wow?

1044
00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:07.800
Yeah.

1045
00:58:08.079 --> 00:58:12.519
Yeah. I actually haven't got anything Jersey Shore on my TikTok.

1046
00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:15.199
Oh I did for a while and then it went away.

1047
00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:17.320
Maybe I'll come back now that I'm talking about it

1048
00:58:17.639 --> 00:58:20.199
and not coming back, but you know, now that you

1049
00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:23.440
said it, yes are the words? Yeah? Yeah, speaking of

1050
00:58:23.440 --> 00:58:27.199
TikTok before we go. I also saw this We're mutuals

1051
00:58:27.199 --> 00:58:29.360
on TikTok. I forgot her name though, Jaywichie, I think

1052
00:58:29.360 --> 00:58:31.360
it's her name. She's a teacher, but she posts a

1053
00:58:31.400 --> 00:58:34.360
lot of different kind of stuff. But she posted her

1054
00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:37.719
latest video that was like, I didn't realize that being

1055
00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:40.480
from California you have an accent until someone tells you,

1056
00:58:40.519 --> 00:58:43.000
like I think it's a defining experience for all Californians

1057
00:58:43.000 --> 00:58:45.360
where you're not in California anymore, and then someone tells you, oh,

1058
00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:47.440
I love your accent, and then you're like, what accent?

1059
00:58:47.960 --> 00:58:50.960
But you do have an accent, Like it's the California accent.

1060
00:58:51.079 --> 00:58:54.519
I just feel like it's different though, because you know,

1061
00:58:54.639 --> 00:59:03.719
different ethnicities have different accents, you know, so I always yeah,

1062
00:59:03.760 --> 00:59:08.280
I was gonna say Latina accent, yeah, because it is different.

1063
00:59:08.880 --> 00:59:10.800
I just feel like I have a Latina accent, you

1064
00:59:10.840 --> 00:59:13.960
know what. No, that's what it is. It's a California

1065
00:59:14.159 --> 00:59:17.280
like Latina accent. It's like very specific too, because even

1066
00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:21.079
I thought they meant different Californians, like I don't know, like, oh,

1067
00:59:21.679 --> 00:59:25.280
California also has an accent, right, oh yeah, No, we're

1068
00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:28.199
speaking to like the Hispanic your time. My bad, My bad.

1069
00:59:28.199 --> 00:59:30.639
I didn't even in her video she's she was also

1070
00:59:30.840 --> 00:59:33.400
Latina and so she was it's the same thing. But

1071
00:59:33.440 --> 00:59:37.079
like everyone can tell immediately, like no matter if someone

1072
00:59:37.119 --> 00:59:40.320
hears you speak, like you get clocked like you're from California,

1073
00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:43.639
aren't you? And I'm like yeah, like even people listening

1074
00:59:43.639 --> 00:59:45.719
to the podcast and we haven't said it more before, really,

1075
00:59:45.920 --> 00:59:48.280
are you guys from California? And I'm like, yeah, no, way,

1076
00:59:49.599 --> 00:59:52.719
a hundred percent. If I had a Nickel for every message,

1077
00:59:52.719 --> 00:59:56.000
I would have like twenty Nichols. Like I just like

1078
00:59:56.039 --> 00:59:57.840
I feel I don't maybe I don't leave California and

1079
00:59:57.920 --> 00:59:59.760
love enough. That's why I never get told you're from

1080
00:59:59.800 --> 01:00:00.119
cal I.

1081
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:01.440
Only do you're just around me?

1082
01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:04.760
So yeah yeah, but yeah, even even in the army,

1083
01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:07.000
it was like immediately people were like you're from California.

1084
01:00:07.079 --> 01:00:10.280
Huh And I'm like, yeah, you know what, actually, yeah,

1085
01:00:10.320 --> 01:00:13.360
you're right because I remember and when you said huh,

1086
01:00:13.400 --> 01:00:19.400
it was like yeah like that no, but yeah, yeah, yeah,

1087
01:00:19.480 --> 01:00:21.960
yeah yeah when you say when you would say huh

1088
01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:24.599
after every sentence, like to see like if someone agrees

1089
01:00:24.679 --> 01:00:27.800
with you, yes, yes, And also like immediately the way

1090
01:00:27.840 --> 01:00:29.960
you say l A like we all say it with

1091
01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:30.679
an E in front.

1092
01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:31.480
I don't know how else you.

1093
01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:32.719
Want to say it though, what do you mean? But

1094
01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:35.960
like like that's what one of the comments said, Oh interesting,

1095
01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:37.880
and I'm like what do you mean. I don't know

1096
01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:39.719
how other people say it, but like it's very like

1097
01:00:39.800 --> 01:00:43.039
you can tell who's Mexican. Oh. I went to LA

1098
01:00:43.519 --> 01:00:45.440
like yeah, yeah, I see what you're saying.

1099
01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:51.159
You yeah got me, you have gotten me?

1100
01:00:51.400 --> 01:00:55.119
Like yeah, But that was like a fun video to

1101
01:00:55.199 --> 01:00:56.920
just come across because I was like, no, it is

1102
01:00:56.960 --> 01:00:59.760
for sure, one hundred percent thing. And I remember even

1103
01:00:59.760 --> 01:01:02.039
at work like here not in Portland. When I was

1104
01:01:02.079 --> 01:01:04.119
working there, people would be like, I love your accent,

1105
01:01:04.119 --> 01:01:06.840
and I'm like, what accent? And then I'm like, oh, wait, no,

1106
01:01:07.239 --> 01:01:08.519
it is there, it is.

1107
01:01:08.840 --> 01:01:09.199
You know what.

1108
01:01:09.280 --> 01:01:11.440
The reason I don't hear it because I'm still hearing

1109
01:01:11.519 --> 01:01:13.679
California and everyone sounds like everything.

1110
01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:15.159
Everyone sounds like that.

1111
01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:18.599
Yeah you're right, Yeah right, you're right. So yeah, that

1112
01:01:18.719 --> 01:01:22.280
was just a very fun little thing I came across.

1113
01:01:22.320 --> 01:01:24.199
So yeah, all right, I guess we can end the

1114
01:01:24.199 --> 01:01:26.320
episode here. We've yapped, just yapping now.

1115
01:01:26.719 --> 01:01:27.679
Now we're just yapping.

1116
01:01:27.800 --> 01:01:32.159
My bad. See the episode is over. Yes for those

1117
01:01:32.159 --> 01:01:38.679
whose Helibray and everyone else, Happy holidays. Also for you too. No,

1118
01:01:38.800 --> 01:01:43.480
we're gonna have another episode before. Yeah, I'm like, happy

1119
01:01:43.519 --> 01:01:46.719
New Year. The year's not over. Yeah, no, it's not

1120
01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:49.280
all right. And other than that, I don't know, say

1121
01:01:49.280 --> 01:01:51.199
a spooky and watch out if you're going to go

1122
01:01:51.239 --> 01:01:55.159
on your first solo fight as a student pilot, because like,

1123
01:01:55.280 --> 01:01:57.320
you don't want to get abducted by aliens and then

1124
01:01:57.400 --> 01:02:00.800
lose your pilot license. Yeah, well here you' it losey

1125
01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:03.679
he just didn't want to fly, right, Yeah, and they

1126
01:02:03.760 --> 01:02:08.159
be traumatized and never find again. Yeah, yes, all right.

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Bye bye.

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As Book Tells is hosted by Christina and Carmen, produced

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and edited by Christina, researched by Christina Carmen and with

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the help of Don Shout Out Don. If you aren't

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joying the podcast considerably, going to say five star review,

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we would really appreciate it. If you don't want to

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the afesstar review, just don't leave a review.

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But don't eve anything lower than that, please, I'm just kidding.

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You can reach out to the podcast at a spooktos

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at gmail dot com. You can go to our website

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at bookitos dot com and fill out the contact form.

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If you want to support the podcast, you can join

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our Patreon where we send exclusive stickers, have bonus episodes.

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Eight dollar members get an exclusive key chain. It's super cool.

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I got new ones and these ones are huge. And

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if you want to support but you can or don't

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want to join the patreon, that's fine too. You can

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also get some merch You can find sure Sessay, spooky

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and old English letters. There's a beanie. I love the beanie.

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There's also a hat. There's a no Mamus shirt which

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is a fan favorite. There's a lot of options, crap tops, sweaters.

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It's almost swetter weather. We're nearing a spookie season, so yeah,

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get your hoodies, you're gonna need them. If you don't

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want to do all that, that's fine too. You can

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just listen like you're listening now, and that's the best

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support that you can give us, like I always say

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in our ad break and yeah, if you like history,

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you can follow Estodia's Unknown Mining, Carmen's other podcasts, and

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you can find a Spooky taels on all of our

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socials at a Spooky Tells All. This is in the

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show notes and we appreciate every single listen. Thank you

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so much. Stay as Spooky