The Case of Miriam Rodriguez

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Hi everyone, This is Christina and
Carmen and this is another episode of his

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Spooky Tales, the podcast for all
things as spooky but also sometimes very sad,

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tragic, infreerating two crime stories,
and that's what we're doing today.

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Carman Great, Yeah, and we
are going to have a listener story,

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but it's going to be at the
end of the episode before speaker recommendations.

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As for the case, we're just
going to dive into this week's case.

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I don't know if you've heard about
and I didn't know her name for the

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longest time. I just heard about
the case. But although like headlines are

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articles that announced or talked about it
all said the same thing. It was

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like women takes down cartel by herself. Do you remember seeing that. Yeah,

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that's who we're talking about today,
that woman. Her name was Medium

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Rodriguez. And again it's very sad. It happens in Mexico, and so

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if you, you know, don't
want to hear a very sad, tragic

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case, then skip this episode.
Medium Elizabeth Rodriguez Martinez was born on the

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fifth of February nineteen sixty in San
Fernando, Tamolipas in Mexico. And everyone

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that knew her since childhood describes her
in the same way that she was fierce.

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She was a fierce, strong Mexican
woman, and sant Fernando was her

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home. It always has been,
but it wasn't the place that she knew

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from her childhood. It changed a
lot, especially, you know, starting

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in the late nineteen nineties. And
I don't know if you know where San

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Fernando in Tamolipas is, but I'm
sure you can imagine why it changed so

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much because it became a very dangerous
place. It's eighty five miles from Brownsville,

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Texas, you know, along the
US Mexico border. This made it

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very easy for it to become stomping
grounds for cartels because of the location.

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It's along highways that lead directly to
the US, it's in the desert,

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it's very easy to make, you
know, different smuggling roads for drugs.

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So it was like an ideal location
for cartels, and that's what happened.

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By the time she was an adult, that's what it became. And she

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was there in San Fernando raising her
three children who were now adults as well,

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Louise, Assalea and Karen, with
her husband, who was also Louise.

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There they had a cowboy apparel store
called Cowboy No, sorry, where's

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the name? I wrote it down
Rodeo Boots. Wow, it's cool.

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Yeah, And they've had this store
for a very long time. They didn't

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want to leave, but many were
leaving because, like I said, it

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was a very dangerous city by this
time. It's the stamping grounds for losse

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Ettas and Losenta's control San Fernando.
They were formerly for you know, people

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that don't know. Losseettas were formerly
part of a bigger cartel, the Golf

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cartel. They were the armed branch
of the golf cartel and then like former

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military Mexican military members branched off and
became Losttas. So they were they're trained,

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they're armed, and they're dangerous.
Ever since they split from the golf

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cartel, they've been feuding with you
know, that cartel and numerous others.

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Yes, thank you, and I
mean again, very dangerous Losettas. They

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need to finance their way of life. They're feuding with other cartels, so

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they started kidnapping innocent people for ransom, stealing, extorting local businesses, all

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typical cartel things, and many many, many in this area and all over

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Mexico have been killed by the cartel. In twenty ten, a mass grave

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of seventy two Central and South American
migrants was found in San Fernando. When

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sorry, twenty ten, and they
were possibly killed because they refused to work

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for Lossettas. That was like one
working theory. The other one was that

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Losettas believed they were going to be
recruited by the opposing cartel and killed them

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before that happened. But I mean
that's still seventy two, Yeah, Central

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American and South American migrants, Like
one would be too much. With seventy

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two, that's just like out of
this world. It's horrendous. And then

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in twenty eleven, the following year, another one hundred ninety three remains were

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found across seven different mass graves in
San Fernando, all cartel related. How

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many sorry, one hundred and ninety
three remains across seven different mass graves.

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Every time you see the numbers,
like, I don't grasp it. It's

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unbelievable. And then those are the
mass graves. But it's not uncommon for

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at least once a month for twenty
people to be found in different areas to

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this day and that's still the case. So yeah, many fled San Fernando

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because of the increasing violence, but
many stayed, including Mediam and her family

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except her oldest son, Louis,
moved to two hours away. But a

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lot of people stayed because you know, this was their home. This is

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all they knew, and they had
I don't know, friving businesses like Medium

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and her family, and then on
top of the business, their own store.

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Mediam also occasionally did some nanny work
in Brownsville, Texas. She would

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drive across the border to work there. Fu Sometimes she'd stay like a week

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and then you know, go back
home and then her youngest daughter, Karen,

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and her husband will work at the
store. And like I said earlier,

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Louis, the oldest son, had
moved two hours away to Suda,

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Victoria, hoping to escape the violence. The Rodrigues Martinez family, they were

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not rich, but they were okay, they were better than most in this

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area because of you know, their
business and the other work Medium was doing

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as a nanny. So Acelea and
Louis were gone from the home, and

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Karen, who was twenty, she
was still working there, finishing college and

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working at the family store. And
then on the evening of January twenty third,

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twenty fourteen, Karen was leaving rodeo
boots. She was in her in

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the family truck trying to emerge into
traffic when two trucks pulled up on each

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side of her truck, forcing her
to come to a stop. Then armed

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men forced their way into the family
truck and drove away with it with Karen

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still inside, and they drove to
the family home. No one else was

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there because you know, Miriam was
in Texas at her nanny job. We

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don't know where the dad slash husband
where he was. He was just gone

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work at work or something, I
don't know. So they bound and gag

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Karen and then left her laying on
the floor, and then there was a

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knock at the door and it was
the uncle's mechanic. He had stopped by

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to work on the family truck.
So the kidnappers grabbed him tied him up,

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but then they later let him go
for reasons unknown to this day.

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We don't know why. He was
just they didn't need him, I guess.

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Then Ascelea called Medium and immediately Medium
thought something was wrong because you know,

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Alia was crying and she told her
the cartel has Karen. We received

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the ransom call. So Medium left
the nanny job right away to head home.

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And one of the hard parts is
she had to ride the bus.

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God, she has like this urgent, urgent, urgent crisis going on,

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and she has to wait for the
bus, wait for the bus, like

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be on someone else's time. Yeah, and then on top of that,

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it was a two hour bus ride, which is that is just I can't

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imagine having to sit there knowing this
is happening and there's nothing you can do

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because you're just you can't do anything. Yeah, yeah, you're trying to

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get there. As soon as Medium
arrived in San Fernando, Ascela picked her

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up and they got another call to
Medium's phone and it was the kidnappers again

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with Karen this time, and you
know, it was the typical ransom call

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where they forced Karen to give the
message of like drop the money off here,

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and then they just hang up.
They don't give they didn't give the

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family a chance to talk to her
or anything other than Karen giving them the

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message. And the family they talked, they were like, well, this

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is this is the cartel, this
is a business transaction. They don't want

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Karen, they want money. So
if we give them the money, obviously,

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well we see Karen in return,
and that makes sense, like to

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think that. Yeah, Plus she
wasn't the first kidnapping at all. This

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was such a common thing. Yeah, like people knew how these things went.

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Yeah, it wasn't a matter of
if, but a matter of when

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for a lot of people. And
so they gathered just under ten thousand dollars

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with their own savings. Then they
went out to get a loan at the

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bank. And it was so bad
that banks now had loans to give families

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for rants. God, that's terrible. Yeah, I can't even fathom being

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the lone person and be like,
our loans for ransoms actually have lower interest

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rates. Like what the fuck?
Right, that's terrible, it really is.

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It's crazy. It's terrible. But
they gathered, they gathered all this

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money. They followed the kidnappers instructions
to the tea. They dropped the money

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off at the health clinic like they
were instructed, and they waited at the

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local cemetery. This is where the
canappers were supposed to give back Karen.

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And they waited hours. The cannamppers
never showed, so two days later,

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Medium asked for a meeting with the
members of the local cartel, and to

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her surprise, they agreed. So
she met with the tall, skinny,

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light skinned man with curly hair.
They met at a restaurant called a Junior,

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and he told Medium that Lossettes did
not have Karen, but he could

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help find her for two thousand dollars. But then he was contradicting himself and

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everything he was telling Medium because he
was like, well, I'll find her

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for two thousand dollars. Also,
Karen has been such an ideal captive person.

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She's been so easy to deal with. Okay, so you can't tell

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someone, hey, I don't have
your daughter, but also your daughter is

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a good kidnapping victim. Yeah.
Wow. Also, these kind of situations

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are so difficult because yeah, like
anyone could be like hey, I can

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and you hear about it all the
time. Like I remember this other I

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don't remember the case or the names
of anybody, because I'm horrible with memory,

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but I remember that it was this
girl. I say girl, but

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she was probably like early twenties.
She went missing from a boat or something

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like that. Her family didn't know
what happened to her. And then during

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their search, they hired a private
detector and gave him so much money,

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but he had been making up everything
he was doing. He wasn't helping them

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at all. Oh my god.
Yeah, and they just gave over all

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this money. And so like,
I think about that guy you just said,

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saying like, oh, I can
help you find her for two thousand

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dollars, and it's like, it's
it's so horrible and a putunistic and so

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easily to be taken advantage in that
state of desperation one hundred percent, and

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it wasn't adding up. But Mediam
she didn't do anything, obviously, anything

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to get Karen back. So she
gave him the two thousand dollars. And

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during the meeting, the man had
a walkie talking on his belt and there

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was conversations going coming in and out
that he wasn't responding to. But she

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overheard the same thing again and again, Sama, and she was like,

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that must be his name or a
nickname that'll come back. So then over

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the next weeks, Sama, he
stopped answering the phone. He so obviously

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this was what you said, him
being a pristina sick the Krktel probably didn't

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even know he did this. He
just was like, oh, this is

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an easy way to make two thousand
dollars. And then other others appeared,

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claiming to be Karen's kidnappers, and
they it was always the same thing.

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They asked for more money. The
family continued to pay, hoping to find

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Karen's because they don't know who it
is either. Yeah, this is terrible,

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it really is. And after every
payment there were more calls demanding more

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money. And after each payment that
failed to return Karen, they they began

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to lose hope naturally. And I
mean when things like this happen, like,

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no one knows how they're going to
react, what's going to happen,

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But sometimes families lose hope, they
start to fall apart. Yeah, So

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by this time, Medium had separated
from her husband. She had fallen into

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despair. They both had fallen into
their own despair. He was not doing

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anything either. He was I mean
depressed, and so was she. I

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mean it's very common for that to
happen, like too, families, even

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when someone dies, like a child
of theirs dies, Yeah, they don't

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make it. By this time,
Mediam was living with Asselea, the oldest

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daughter, and she was neglecting pretty
much everything. Then one day, suddenly,

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weeks after the first payment was made, Medium got out of bed,

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she showered, she fixed her hair, and then she just turned to Asselia

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in like a super matter of fact
tone. She told her Karen's not coming

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back. Karen's dead, and Assela
was what's happening? She was confused.

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Then Medium told Asselia she would not
rest until she found the people that took

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Karen, and she vowed to hunt
them down one by one until her own

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death. This is when Assela understood
the mother that she once knew was gone,

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completely gone. Any hope that Medium
maybe had felt or still had it

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was not there anymore. It was
now replaced with the desire to avenge her

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daughter. And so, instead of
continuing in the loss and despair like her

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husband a medium, Medium started to
make a list of like people she knew

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that were in the cartel, people
that she had seen, or because you

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know, you're in these towns and
you know names, like all that house

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in that corner, Yeah, the
house in the corner belongs to so and

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so, and he's a member of
the cartel. Whatever, yeah, exactly,

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So she started to make a list
of the things that she knew,

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and then thanks to the mechanic that
was let go during Karen's kidnapping, he

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was the one that confirmed some was
there. Oh, Media met with him

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and got the details. Then Mediam
cut her hair super short, died it

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a bright red and hopes that when
she found Sama, he would not recognize

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her as Karen's mother, the woman
he met at that restaurant. So then

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Medium spent hours looking through Karen's Facebook
profile looking for clues, just clicking on

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tag picture of their tag picture,
just slothing, looking for anything that would

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help her. After days of the
search, and she finally found something.

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It was a picture taged with the
name Sama, and it was him.

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She recognized him from her meeting at
the restaurant, so she knew him.

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Yeah, she recognized him in the
picture and he was with a young woman

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who was wearing a uniform, wearing
a uniform of an ice cream shop in

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Suda, Victoria, where her son
lived. She knew the uniform because she'd

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been there before, so then she
was She went to sud Victoria and she

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stocked the store for weeks until she
memorized the young woman's schedule, and she

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waited outside of each shift, waiting
to see when Sam would show up because

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she knew he would. And when
he finally did, she followed Sama and

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the ice cream worker. Yeah.
Yeah, she was doing like legit detective

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work. Yeah. When he finally
showed, she followed them to her house

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and she marked on the address.
But she knew she needed more information than

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just an address. She needed like
names, more information on him, anything,

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right, Yeah, So then she
found one of her old government uniforms

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from years ago when she worked at
a health clinic, a government health clinic.

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She put the uniform on, she
used an old ID that still looked

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like legit, and she spent the
day conducting a fake poll in the neighborhood,

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going door to door getting information on
everyone, including Samma, oh my

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god, how does she think of
this? Wow? Yeah, the determination

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and yeah, she got the basic
information. With this information, she went

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to authorities local, state, federal. She tried them all, but no

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one was willing to help. I
mean, it was a cartel case,

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like nobody wanted that. Yeah.
Not to mention the people that were working

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with the cartel, because we know
that's a thing too, So nobody wanted

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to help her until one police officer, one federal police officer, did.

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He remains anonymous in all of the
articles. He never says his name,

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but he did see the following about
her. When she pulled her files onto

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the table. I had never seen
anything like it. The details and information

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gathered by this woman working alone were
incredible. She had gone to every single

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level of government and they had slammed
the door in her face to help her

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hunt down the people who took her
daughter. It was the greatest privilege of

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my career. Oh that gave me
chills. Oh my god, I know,

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and you know what, I would
have remained anonymous too, follows him,

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So, oh, one hundred percent. The files, he mentions,

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though, she had like you know
those folders to have you open them,

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and they like an accordion file I
think is what they're called. Yeah,

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she had one of those, and
that's where she put everything that she was

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learning into. So it was like
a legit big case of files that she

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carried everywhere with her. So with
this information, there was finally enough for

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an arrest warrant, but it took
a while. So when the arrest warrant

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was finally issued. Sama was nowhere
to be seen. I knew it,

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yeah, and this frustrated Medium,
of course, but she continued her work

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to gather more intel on everyone.
Eventually, though, Sama did turn up

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two hours away in sud Victoria.
And it was September fifteenth, twenty fourteen,

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the day before Mexican Independence Day.
And still on that day, there's

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festivities leading up to Elidito. Right, yeah, so places are still closed,

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there's still you know, things going
on. And Louis, who had

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his own shop in Suda, Victoria, he was getting ready to close his

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own shop to celebrate when one last
customer walked into his store. It was

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Samma. I fucking knew it.
Oh my god, I know, I

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know. Leave him alone. Well, no, Sama didn't know who he

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was. He just walked in.
Oh I'm sorry, okay. I thought

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he was gonna go kill him or
something. No, no, he just

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walked in to buy some things.
Didn't we police call some Okay, never

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mind, No, you're fine.
Louis recognized him from his mom's files,

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so he immediately called Medium and then
he followed Sama. Oh wow, and

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like did not lose trial of him
until the police arrived to arrest him,

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and of course when the police arrested
Sama, he faked out. He was

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like, I have a heart condition
and he was like crying and screaming like

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he couldn't be arrested. Basically been
a little bitch. I have no words.

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But he was arrested good, and
then he folded. He started giving

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names, wow, yeah, everything. He filled the details that Mediam was

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missing in her files. So arresting
Sama led police to then arrest Christian Jossa

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Gonzalez, who had just turned eighteen
and was pretty young to be part of

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the cartel. That's young. Yeah
yeah. And so when he was picked

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up and being interrogated, Medium sat
outside of his interrogation room and he could

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hear Christian repeatedly asking for his own
mom and repeatedly saying he was hungry.

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And Medium entered the room, gave
Christian her own lunch, and then went

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and bought him a coke. Oh
my god. Yeah, and the police

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were like, what are you doing? Let him suffer, like, yeah,

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you know, he did this,
and then Medium told them like,

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I'm still the mother and that is
a child, no matter what he did,

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because she's an amazing person. She's
gonna make me cry. You're gonna

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cry. I cried. And after
she did this, he started talking and

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it's I mean maybe because of the
kindness she showed him. Yes, yeah,

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so yeah, he said everything.
And he then said he could take

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them to the ranch where all the
kidnapped were held, killed and buried.

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It was going to be like us, like this whole big operation a raid

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and Mexican marines and police work together
during the raid, and they let Medium

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participate and she put on a marine
uniform. Oh my god, I mean

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she she did all of frontwork for
them, so they better let her write.

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And when they arrived at the ranch, it was like a scene out

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of a horror movie. There was
a noose hanging from a tree. There

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was debris everywhere. Turns out there
had been a firefight between other cartels there

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ten like ten days before this raid, and then they also went through a

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brief firefight. Oh wow, there
was some cartel members that were killed.

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I think two female members were killed. No, sorry, they were found

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and the marines killed them on the
spot. That's what happened, which they're

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not supposed to do, but they
did because they're also kind of corrupt.

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Yeah. Yeah, And they found
some people that were kidnapped and being held

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there. Sadly, Karen was not
among them, and so the raid was

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semi successful. I mean, they
saved some people, they found some remains.

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But Medium, of course she wasn't
happy because Karen wasn't there. Yeah,

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And as she was looking around the
ranch, she found a stack of

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personal belongings and among them there was
a scarf that belonged to Karen and the

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sea cushion Karen used when she drove
the family truck. So Karen had been

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there. Wow. After they analyzed
and you know, identified the remains,

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they said Karen wasn't there, so
she had to be somewhere else. Miriam

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had to keep looking. Right as
they were leaving the ranch, Medium passed

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by a barbecue restaurant that's kind of
at the entrance of the dirt road that

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leads to the ranch, okay,
and she remembers this restaurant. She had

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been there two days after Karen's kidnapping
with Acela and sitting outside of the restaurant

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at a table, there was a
girl that Medium knew, Elvia Ulissa Bettencourt,

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and Elvia was sitting by herself sipping
a coke. Mediam approached her and

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asked like, oh, have you
heard about Karen. Everyone had by then,

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the whole city of San Fernando knew
about Karen, and Elvia was like,

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no, I haven't heard what happened, So that's weird. It's suspicious,

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right yeah, And that's what Medium
thought too, and it felt like

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a stab in the bag because Medium
had known Elvia her entire life. Elvia

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had been abandoned by her own mother, and Mediam frequently helped her out,

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gave her Karen's old clothes, she
looked out for her, and Elvia answering

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this was so suspicious because everyone knew
what was happening. So Mediam left and

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when she got home, she returned
to her research, and she discovered that

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Elvia was romantically involved with one of
the suspected kidnappers of Karen, who happened

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to be in prison for a completely
different reason. So Mediam went to that

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prison, and just like she had
at the ice cream shop, she waited

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there every day for hours because she
was like, Elvia is gonna visit this

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guy there together, like I know
it. She did this for weeks.

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By this time, she had also
found out that one of the ransom calls

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for Karen came from Elvia's house.
Wow, Mediam's suspicions were right. Elvia

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finally showed up to visit her imprisoned
boyfriend, and when she did, Mediam

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was ready to have her arrested.
Media. I'm just getting it done,

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she is. So this was three
cartel members involved in the knapping of Karen

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arrested. She crossed three names out
of her list, but as she continued

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to investigate, her list grew and
changed, because you know, she was

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researching. Yeah, and then during
all of her research, she also began

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to work with other families of the
disappeared. They began going to her because

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they saw what she was doing and
what she was capable of too. Yeah,

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exactly. And it kind of reminds
me of Maricella Escobelo Ortis as well,

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because when she started walking every single
day to the judges offices protesting,

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and slowly she was joined by more
and more people, like other family members

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would disappeared daughters, sisters, mothers, They started going to her too,

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And that's what happened here too.
She began headn organization and this organization would

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grow to have six hundred families in
it. Wow. Which is way too

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much. Yeah, so you know
she was doing this, She was doing

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her research, and then her research
yielded another name, Enrique Joel Rubio Flores,

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and she learned that he had left
the cartel and became a born again

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Christian. So she found his hometown
travel to it. It is three hours

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away from San Fernando. It's Aldama, and so she drove over there and

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she met Edriquae's grandmother at the local
church, and Rique's grandmother told Mediam that

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Adrika had always been trouble, but
he finally found God. He was attending

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church again. So medium knew,
well, he's going to show up to

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mass. She was right, so
she started attending mass herself, waiting for

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him to show up. When he
finally showed up, she had him arrested

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and Angiquae's family begged her not to
do this, to have mercy. Media.

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Yeah, exactly, that's what she
says. She was like, No,

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where was his compassion when he took
my daughter. You can't just say

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I'm a born again Christian and everything
you did wrong is absolved. Not right.

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No, So the only way to
hold them accountable is the criminal justice

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system, and that's what she's doing. She could have done worse. She

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could have killed them, like she
could have killed all these people, yes,

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exactly, Yeah, and instead she's
living it up to the justice system,

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which is not always right, you
know, exactly exactly, And so

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yeah, she had him arrested and
now at this point, she's two years

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into her fight for justice for her
daughter. God, two whole years.

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Yeah. And it's the same thing
that we said in the Maricella Escoblo or

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this episode when we talked about women
murdered in the military, about Benesatgui Yen's

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mom and family members, there's no
chance to even sit with your grief,

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yeah, because they're over here fighting
against whole ass governments, whole ass cartils.

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There's no yeah, no chance to
grief. And that's gonna take a

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toll, Like, oh yeah,
I can't, I can't even imagine.

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So, yeah, two years after
Karen's disappearance, she's still researching, she's

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continuing with her list, and the
next person on her list was a former

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florist turned cartel member. She had
even bought flowers from him when he was

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a florist, when he was before
he joined the cartel, when he was

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like just a struggling florist in the
streets. He claims he had been forced

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into the cartel and then he escaped. So when Mediam finally tracked him down,

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he was selling sunglasses and CDs near
the US Mexico border. He immediately

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recognized Mediam when she was approaching him, so he ran. Medium ran after

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him, tackled him down, held
him at gunpoint wow, and yelled,

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if you move, I'll shoot,
and she contacted the police and she held

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them there for an hour until the
police arrived and arrested him. And you

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know, sad, and it's true, things like that do happen. People

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are forcing into the cartel. But
again, he did something wrong and he

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has to be held accountable, so
exactly, and she's doing this, yeah,

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because again she could have killed them, Yeah, no, for real,

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And so yeah, she continues with
her lists. At this point,

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she's three years into her fight for
justice. Almost ten members or actually by

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this point ten members that were involved
with the kidnapping had been arrested by her,

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basically. And then it was March
twenty second, twenty seventeen, there

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was a prison break in Suda,
Victoria. Twenty nine prisoners had escaped by

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digging a tunnel. Most were members
of Los Tetas, and the ten she

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had released or she had sorry imprisoned, also escaped, including one of the

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actual killers of her daughter. Two
sorry two of them including them. One

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had been captured one of the killers, but one was still at large,

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and Medium had requested protection from the
police. But even at this point,

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she said she wasn't afraid to die, because she died the day they killed

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Karen. Terrible, because I know
that grief and especially when someone is taken

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from you that way, it's not
you know, natural death. It changes

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people. But she, you know, she still has other even though they

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are adults, other adult children,
you know, and it's like like her

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other daughter, said, the mom
that she knew died or was gone whatever

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her words or or something like that. Yeah, it wasn't the same woman

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anymore. Yeah, no, you're
right. So even after the prison break,

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Mediam was not done. She even
when asked like when is it enough,

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she was like, mautas, there
were still two bitches left on her

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list, That's what she would tell
people. And these were the two women

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that she knew were involved. So
she had finally found one of the two

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women, La Guera, so that's
what she was known by. She had

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escaped or left the cartel life.
She was now a nanny in Sudha,

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Victoria, and Mediam found her sat
outside of her house waiting, sitting there,

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you know, listening to the radio
and just waiting for her to come

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out. Her car battery died while
she was doing this, and Louis arrived

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to jump her car, and then
they watched the house together. And then

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when don broke, Medium called the
police. Laguera left her house and Medium

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ran after her, and she like
like whata ran Medium chased and then she

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pulled Lagua down to the ground by
her hair and held her there until the

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police arrived. She did, however, break her ankle in the process of

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tackling Medium. And I mean she
is not a young woman. She's in

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her late fifties at this point,
fifty seven by this time to be catching

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up to people and tackling them and
shit, yeah, so yeah, she

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broke her ankle. By this point
three years later, Medium had also been

408
00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:30.559
to the ranch three times and had
insisted for it to be checked for Karen's

409
00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:37.200
remains again and again. And this
is when finally they re searched among the

410
00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:41.039
first set of remains that were found
in that first raid, and they found

411
00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:45.960
that one of those femurs had belonged
to Karen. Wow. So now it

412
00:28:47.079 --> 00:28:52.480
was like officially confirmed Karen was dead. And they kept searching on Medium's assistance,

413
00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:56.160
and they found more bones, I
guess more bones, and it wasn't

414
00:28:56.200 --> 00:29:02.559
a complete skeleton. So Medium insisted
they kept searching until they had all of

415
00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:06.440
Karen, but they still held the
funeral because they had most of her now,

416
00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:08.559
so they held the funeral for her. God, that's terrible. It's

417
00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:12.759
terrible, it really is. And
then on May tenth, twenty seventeen,

418
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:18.119
so about a month after finding Laguera
and breaking her ankle, Midame was still

419
00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:22.759
in crutches. It was Mother's Day, May tenth, They had been celebrating

420
00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:26.599
the day and it was ten twenty
one pm. She was parking heading back

421
00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:30.200
home. She was finally living with
her husband again, they had reconciled.

422
00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:34.079
She parked on the street got out
of her car when a white Nissan truck

423
00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:40.319
pulled up next to her and fired
thirteen times. Yeah. When he heard

424
00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:42.200
the shots, her husband ran out
of the house. He found her lane

425
00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:45.319
on the ground. Her hand had
been reaching for her pistol that she always

426
00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:51.039
carried with her, and he called
an ambulance and she sadly passed away in

427
00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:52.759
the ambulance on the way to the
hospital. It's terrible. I'm like,

428
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:56.920
how much loss can one family take? You know what I mean? Yeah,

429
00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:00.880
And I I have chills because it's
like it just reminds of Mariicella Escobelo

430
00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:06.400
Ortis, who fought and fought and
fought against such a corrupt, unjust system

431
00:30:06.920 --> 00:30:10.839
and in the end she was also
killed, likely by the same people that

432
00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:12.839
killed her daughter. And she's not
the only one, obviously, because now

433
00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:18.400
we're talking about medium who ended up
the same fate as Karen. Yeah,

434
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:22.640
and even the whole like Nuna mass
movement that I think we've talked about this

435
00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:26.559
maybe not, but it began in
Afgentina, the whole color of purple,

436
00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:30.480
and I want to say that it
was again a mother who lost her daughter

437
00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:33.119
in this manner. I think you're
right, And then she is also killed

438
00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:37.960
in the same way. So it's
not like just Mexico, obviously, but

439
00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:41.319
it's still so I don't know,
infuriating, I guess, yeah. I

440
00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:45.640
mean, like femicide is alive and
real out there. Yeah, that's why

441
00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:48.960
International Women's Say is such a big
deal. That's what it's really for,

442
00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:53.160
Okay people, Well, not that
it was working class women, but you

443
00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:59.599
know, violence, rampant violence against
women internationally is a part of it.

444
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:03.759
Against that and awareness of that.
So that's why it pisses me off when

445
00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:11.200
people act like it's a Mother's Day
type of day for women and it's like,

446
00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:15.839
no, we're not celebrating women this
day. I'm sorry to say,

447
00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:19.400
it's not to celebrate women. Do
not give your white flowers for National Women's

448
00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:23.319
Day. Why don't you go and
I don't know, do something to uplift

449
00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:27.160
and fight against the oppression of women
worldwide instead? Because what is given your

450
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:33.240
wife flowers? Do nothing? Yeah? Yeah, become a feminist instead?

451
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:37.640
Not that hard. Why don't you
clean your house instead? Yeah? No,

452
00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:41.680
okay, brent over and go on. So her death was a shock

453
00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:47.400
to the community. There were protests
and men injustice for her death. Even

454
00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:51.799
the governor of Tamaulipas himself went on
the record saying like, we're gonna find

455
00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:56.359
her killers, and two men involved
in her murder were arrested two months after

456
00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:59.880
her death, but they weren't.
They may have been the ones who like

457
00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:04.400
killed her, but they were not
acting alone because these were two eighteen and

458
00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:07.160
nineteen year olds. Oh yeah,
the definitely were not. They were given

459
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:10.279
these orders by someone. There were
one hundred percent more people involved, more

460
00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:15.440
men involved in her death, and
to this day they remained free. No

461
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:19.039
one else hasn't been investigated. And
on top of that, those two,

462
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:22.440
the eighteen and nineteen year old received
eight ten to fifteen year sentence. So

463
00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:27.200
on top of that, her family, especially Louise, her son, who

464
00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:30.480
has pretty much taken over her work. But it's afraid of course. I

465
00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:37.480
mean, at this point his sister
Karen now his mother explicitly targeted for her

466
00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:40.359
search and fight for justice. Yeah, he even has said this is a

467
00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:45.480
joke of a sentence like ten to
fifteen years for the death of his mother.

468
00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:49.240
And I mean the other people involved
remain at large. But yeah,

469
00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:53.640
he took over the group, the
six hundred member group of other missing kidnapped

470
00:32:53.680 --> 00:33:00.160
people. But after her death,
the group's activity diminished to the fear caused

471
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:05.079
by her death because obviously it's scary, and what message are they sending,

472
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:09.079
Like, you become too loud,
you become too active, you say too

473
00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:13.359
much, we're gonna kill you and
we can and we can get away with

474
00:33:13.400 --> 00:33:16.279
it, and so far they have
so yeah, the group is still still

475
00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:20.559
there, but yeah, the activity
has lessened. And in fact, it

476
00:33:20.599 --> 00:33:25.720
wasn't until another boy was kidnapped in
the same town, San Fernando, that

477
00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:31.119
the group began to act again.
That boy is Luciano, and the family

478
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:36.079
even knew when they all knew each
other, and see when he was kidnapped,

479
00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:39.240
what year, very recently, three
years ago, Yeah, and it

480
00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:44.519
was like such a such a similar
case. Trucks pulled up next to his

481
00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:49.200
took him. The family paid the
ransoms just like they were instructed to,

482
00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:53.559
and the cartel still killed him.
And they were like, we're not gonna

483
00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:58.559
do the same thing, same thing
medium is did because like they were scared

484
00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:02.119
because it was all still so fresh. Her own death was what four or

485
00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:07.359
five years before his. Yeah,
but they didn't stay quiet. They marched.

486
00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:12.920
They recorded a message with Luciano's mom, like asking for him back.

487
00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:15.679
They put her on speakers and they
would drive around town. Oh my god,

488
00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:22.000
playing it. It's so sad.
They would play this out loud.

489
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:28.719
They interrupted like government meetings, protesting. They did a lot. But they

490
00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:31.599
what they were like, we're not
going to do is track them down,

491
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:36.639
and like what Medium did because they
were like scared. And I think the

492
00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:39.719
dad he was interviewed by the New
York Times and he says like, we

493
00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:44.039
can't all be like Medium, and
I commend I don't know that's the very

494
00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:46.199
word, commend her for her bravery. But I'm not that brave, Like

495
00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:51.360
I'm I'm scared, and look what
happened to her. Well even honestly,

496
00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:53.920
even then, protesting in this way, even that could make them a target

497
00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:59.800
because you know, it's and it's
unfortunate. But and I could of course

498
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:04.280
doAnd what he's saying about and not
everyone like you shouldn't have. Medium should

499
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:07.760
not have had to do what she
did, and this family should also even

500
00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:13.159
like ideally, you know, ideally
nothing like this would happen, but and

501
00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:15.840
it did. But like ideally the
government would respond the way it's opposed to.

502
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:20.440
Law enforcement would investigate the way they're
supposed to instead of being in bed

503
00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:23.880
with the cartels. Yeah, exactly. And it wasn't until this happened with

504
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:30.559
Luciano that the group that Medium started
really started picking up again with their attempts

505
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:37.599
to fight back protest. So,
yeah, it's and and her funeral,

506
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:42.320
thousands attended her funeral. They all
knew who she was. She was buried

507
00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:51.599
next to Karen and the ough in
a moment. Yeah, they have these

508
00:35:51.639 --> 00:35:53.480
like I don't know if they's cedar
trees, but it was this part of

509
00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:59.119
the pantheon of the cemetery with like
trees above it, and they're next to

510
00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:01.760
each other. There are like three
plots down from Luciano. Oh wow,

511
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:07.599
it's terrible. And even in death, Medium managed to catch the last percent

512
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:12.760
on her list. Really, even
after her death. Yeah, so one

513
00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:17.039
month after her death, authorities in
Vera Cruz found the final person on Medium's

514
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:22.280
list. They found the other puta
Yeah, exactly, and they only found

515
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:25.440
her because of Medium's intel. That's
why they knew where to look. So

516
00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:29.880
she was a former member of loss
ettas she had fled to Vera Cruz.

517
00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:35.679
She was involved in beating and torturing
Karen during her captivity. Then she fled

518
00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:38.559
to Vera Cruz to raise her son. And yeah, Mediam did the work,

519
00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:45.320
gave it to Vera Cruz officials and
they found her with Medium's information good

520
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:50.400
two weeks before her own death.
Medium had updated her WhatsApp status to say

521
00:36:52.519 --> 00:37:02.119
esperando and in Piena, despite so
much pain, I continue to believe and

522
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:06.760
hope in God, and I don't
plan to stop. She just died.

523
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:10.519
I have not been able to bury
my daughter completely. And again they were

524
00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:15.679
still missing parts of Karen. They
did the funeral because they had most of

525
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:19.239
her, but not all of her. That's a big deal for a lot

526
00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:23.480
of people. Well, isn't that
belief, the Catholic belief if I'm remembering

527
00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:25.920
right, that you had to be
whole, your body has to be whole

528
00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:30.519
to answer heaven or something like that. Yeah, I think so. And

529
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:34.159
it also has it's a like,
I know it's a thing with Muslims too,

530
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:37.559
because I know that's such a big
thing in Palistan right now, where

531
00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:39.440
like, no, a lot of
people are not complete, and it's such

532
00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:45.400
another insult on top of that because
now their beliefs are yeah, yeah,

533
00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:50.400
I mean they can't you know,
go to heaven. And yeah, they

534
00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:53.199
kept searching for her or trying to
search for her, demanding the authorities to

535
00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:58.400
search for her. You can find
a bronze statue of Medium in Laplasa,

536
00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:14.159
Central of Sanfedna and there's a plaque
that reads apprendage no trifolia Elo. I

537
00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:16.559
learned that courage. It's not that
absence of fear, but the triumph over

538
00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:21.679
it. The brave man is not
one who does not feel fear, but

539
00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:23.920
the one who conquers fear. Although
I feel like they should have put a

540
00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:27.880
woman, not man, but I
was gonna say, and the statue of

541
00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:31.480
a woman, yeah, woman,
But yeah, she is still loved by

542
00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:37.159
you know, so many and remembered
and visited. That plaque of hers it's

543
00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:39.679
that, yeah, it's there.
And then yeah, it's just like we've

544
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:44.159
been saying this whole time, it's
just a tragic, tragic case. Like

545
00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:46.760
I've seen people covering it and they're
like, oh, it's so inspiring,

546
00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:51.519
but to me, it's just so
sad and unfair. And obviously this is

547
00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:53.920
a strong, strong, fierce woman
who had to do this, but it's

548
00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:58.960
like she shouldn't have had to do
this. Yeah, it makes me think

549
00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:01.679
of there's I think I've talked about
this before too, but there's a clip

550
00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:04.920
and I don't know her name because
I can't remember it right now, but

551
00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:08.039
there's a clip that goes viral almost
every like international Woman's day of a woman,

552
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:13.880
and it was when the march in
Sudad, Mexico got like violent and

553
00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:19.159
women like broke and burned down like
buildings, which honestly I'm here for I'm

554
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:21.599
here for it. But there's one
woman who says, who cares? Who

555
00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:23.800
cares? If I burn down the
world? Like you? She was my

556
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:29.039
world and you took her and you're
not doing anything about it. And obviously

557
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:32.960
it's on Spanish and she's like a
mom whose daughter was killed and she's saying

558
00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:37.119
this, and all these stories just
make me think of her, or also

559
00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:42.639
of Veneseki Yen's mom being you know, outside for a hood by herself.

560
00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:47.079
With the Signina Maya who we've talked
about, Yes, yeah, all these

561
00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:52.679
women, just all the women we've
talked about, Yeah yeah, fighting not

562
00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:57.039
a chance to grieve, Yeah,
and honestly, like going up against the

563
00:39:57.079 --> 00:40:00.760
world for their children. It's just
sad, it is it is, And

564
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:04.639
yeah, definitely the main takeaway also
for me, like you, is not

565
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:07.480
how inspiring it is, and of
course it is. That's not to diminish

566
00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:10.159
that, but it shouldn't have to
be, like you said, inspiring,

567
00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:15.639
like these women, these mothers,
these families should have been allowed the time

568
00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:19.480
to grief and to process and to
heal, and instead they had to fight

569
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:21.800
and fight and fight and fight,
and then they were killed for it.

570
00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:23.800
Yeah. And then after all that, they were killed many times by the

571
00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:28.679
same people that killed their own daughters. Sorry, my voice is done,

572
00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:34.280
but yeah, that was the case
of Medium Rodriguez. And I'll put pictures

573
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:37.760
up here so everyone can see her
bright, fiery hair that matches her fiery

574
00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:43.159
spirit. Yeah. Eugh, but
yeah, I guess I wasn't gonna do

575
00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:44.800
a listener story, but I was
like, you know what, I guess

576
00:40:44.840 --> 00:40:55.360
we should have like something to undepress
me specifically. So now we're gonna move

577
00:40:55.400 --> 00:40:59.599
on to our listener story. And
if you have a story that you want

578
00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:02.239
us to read, you can email
at Pookito gmail dot com. You can

579
00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:07.440
dm us on any of ourse socials. You can assimit it on Discord.

580
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:10.000
We have a channel that says submit
your scary story. You can also call

581
00:41:10.039 --> 00:41:13.679
the a Spooky hotline. That number
is in the show notes, or you

582
00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:15.880
can record a voice Mella and email
it all those other options. Carmen's gonna

583
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:19.480
read it because my voice is done. I've been sick, I've been I'm

584
00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:22.079
a little better, but but my
voice is done. Yes, so yeah,

585
00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:25.960
all right. So here goes to
the listener's story. Heichi, guys,

586
00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:30.119
big fan of y'all. I really
have loved the podcast I listen to

587
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:32.639
Spotify. I have two stories to
tell you. I don't know if you

588
00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:37.119
find it as spooky or not,
but I thought they did to me.

589
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:40.519
To start on the first story or
event, it happened to my aunt who

590
00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:45.480
lives in Guano, Nonrancho. This
happened a long time ago. One night

591
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:49.920
she was coming back from work,
and she would walk every day from work

592
00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:53.360
to the house, and one specific
night, she was walking near this baseball

593
00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:58.320
field and she said that she saw
this figure of a man leaning against a

594
00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:02.039
tree, and she passed beside him
and told him buena nochez, good night.

595
00:42:02.119 --> 00:42:06.800
And she said that the moment he
lived in his head, he had

596
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:12.880
red glowing eyes and she just walked
faster home. Oh no, that's that

597
00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:19.400
was Satanas. That was Satanas himself. Oh my god, that's so creepy.

598
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:23.920
Yeah, that's terrifying. I definitely
would have ran home. I would

599
00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:28.159
have thrown up. Yep. That's
scary. Okay, So the next one,

600
00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:30.719
my next story, happened to my
sister, my cousin, my niece,

601
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:35.639
and my nephew. This happened back
in twenty fifteen in the Rancho,

602
00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:38.960
where I'm from in Juanato. I
went to Mexico to celebrate my kinsenera.

603
00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:45.000
And one day when we were in
practice and we had to cut it short

604
00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:49.880
because it started to rain and didn't
stop until dark. One of my damas

605
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:52.679
couldn't be picked up by her sister
because it was muddy and the motorcycles could

606
00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:57.400
slide it through the mud. So
we decided to walk her home. Makes

607
00:42:57.400 --> 00:43:00.800
sense, And then in parentheses parentheses, she says, my mom didn't know

608
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:04.239
we were going to walk all the
way to our house, which was far

609
00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:07.760
from where we were having their practice. We walked her and when we were

610
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:14.119
coming back, we walked through the
baseball field. Oh no, not the

611
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:17.800
baseball field, the one not the
ant okay, wow. And we were

612
00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:22.679
holding umbrellas because it started to drizzle, and we started to feel like something

613
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:27.920
was flying or I don't know how
to explain it, but something moved the

614
00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:32.519
umbrellas from our hands, and then
we started hearing something far like moving through

615
00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:37.840
the bushes. I just remember we
were so scared that we decided to not

616
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:40.480
look back, and I would have
done the same m hm. And we

617
00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:45.440
just ran because we just kept feeling
something following us, and in our minds

618
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:50.039
we just kept saying, it's nothing
and it was just some cows following us.

619
00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:53.280
But my cousin looked back, she
saw nothing following us, and we

620
00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:57.159
just ran home. Till this day, I just want to keep it in

621
00:43:57.199 --> 00:44:00.920
my head that it was a cow
following us. It was the cows.

622
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:04.239
Sure, if that makes you feel
better, it was a cow. I

623
00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:06.920
would have told myself something like that
too, like, oh it was put

624
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:08.559
on as bacas, like, don't
worry, it was just it was just

625
00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:14.280
the cow's moving behind. Oh my
god, it's horrible that it was the

626
00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:17.079
same baseball field because that immediately makes
me think that no, sorry, it

627
00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:22.079
was not the cows. It was
actually it was set a nass. Seriously,

628
00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:25.840
Yeah, that was creepy. Wow. Okay, well, thank you

629
00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:30.920
so much for your story. That
was for sure a spooky, very spooky.

630
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:36.079
Yeah. We I got scared for
sure, Yeah me too. Wow.

631
00:44:36.199 --> 00:44:38.440
Okay, well, Carmen, do
you have any spooky recommendations? I

632
00:44:38.519 --> 00:44:43.840
actually don't, Okay, me neither, Like I said last episode. I've

633
00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:47.840
been depressed. I haven't been doing
anything. I did listen to the newest

634
00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:52.719
episode of Mora's Madita, So I
guess that's in a spooky recommendation that you've

635
00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:57.599
already recommended. I had many times, many times, so it's fine.

636
00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:00.039
One of my favorite episodes was still
When and When it was on there with

637
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:04.440
them. Oh, that was a
really good episode. But the one I

638
00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:07.000
just listened to at the end,
it was hell funny. They told the

639
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:08.840
guests, They're like, well,
hopefully more scary things keep happening to you

640
00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:13.280
so you can come back and tell
us about them. Yeah, they do

641
00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:15.320
that a lot. It was like
the first time I noticed that they said

642
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:19.679
that it was funny. Really Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not I

643
00:45:19.719 --> 00:45:24.159
haven't even been listening to any of
the podcast episodes, like nothing, except

644
00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:28.760
been watching Lucifer. I've been doing
that. So I haven't even played Stardo

645
00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:32.280
Valley. Wow, there's a new
update that's coming out soon. I'm hoping

646
00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:36.280
to be out of my funk by
then so I can start a new game.

647
00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:39.000
Yeah, hopefully you do that.
Yeah it's sarcastic, but it wasn't.

648
00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:43.679
That's okay. I know your voice, so okay, cool, okay,

649
00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:46.159
and then I guess one update.
We're almost ready to record our book

650
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:51.039
Club episode on Silver Nightrade. Oh
for sure. I'm going to finish in

651
00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:53.559
a few days my notes. Yes, hopefully MJ will join us for that.

652
00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:58.000
She finished the book, she has
thoughts Okay, she's written the thoughts

653
00:45:58.039 --> 00:46:01.280
down. Okay. I be her
first episode back. Well, I'm looking

654
00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:04.800
forward to that, me too,
Me too, But yeah, she'll be

655
00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:07.599
back soon. I think when she's
back, it'll be the three of us,

656
00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:10.519
because I really want to do video. I've been insisting on it,

657
00:46:10.559 --> 00:46:14.760
and MJ doesn't want to do it, so but Carmen does. Carmen's fine

658
00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:17.320
with it. She's contractually obligated to
do it anyway. Yeah, it's part

659
00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:22.320
of my contract. Yeah, it
doesn't exist anyway. So I'm thinking that

660
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:24.920
what we're gonna do is have me
and Karmen on video and like MJ,

661
00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:30.000
just like a still picture and we'll
put like a little soundwave. So I

662
00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:32.880
figured that would look better on video
than just like me and a picture.

663
00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:37.280
Yeah, it'll probably once MG comes
back, it'll be the three of us

664
00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:40.199
hosting. So cool, very excited. I don't have an exact date from

665
00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:45.920
official what was it? Official guest
co hosts from unofficial official guest co hosts

666
00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:50.719
to official co hosts. Wow,
Wow, I'm moving up. Wow,

667
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:54.320
moving up in the world in the
spooky world. Yeah, oh, I'm

668
00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:58.360
so sorry. It's this is off
topic. But when I said moving up

669
00:46:58.360 --> 00:47:01.559
in the spooky world, that made
me think of did you see that Olivia

670
00:47:01.719 --> 00:47:07.920
Rodrigo was giving out condoms or B
six plum It was either B six that's

671
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:12.639
the vitamin plan B. Yeah,
it's the vitamin plunt B. That's what

672
00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:19.119
I was speaking of, not the
vitamin in her concert. And then I

673
00:47:19.119 --> 00:47:22.639
don't know what like Christian thing it
was, but they called her the high

674
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:28.159
Priestess of Titanic Children to sacrifice some
ship like that, and I just thought

675
00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:30.880
that was hilarious. Should that be
our new title? That's I'm sorry,

676
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:35.320
that's already reserved for Olviya. Let
you go. Yeah, it's already hears

677
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:37.400
you're right, And then that made
me think of, sorry, this is

678
00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:42.159
more topic. Do you remember seeing
this video of this guy? What is

679
00:47:42.159 --> 00:47:45.519
he doing? And I forgot what
he's doing? And he's like, he

680
00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:47.079
calls her a Mexican, but I
haven't seen that, and he says the

681
00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:50.559
wrong. I'm gonna have to find
it because I'm explaining it really bad.

682
00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:53.559
I know one thing about me.
I'm gonna do some reviews. They got

683
00:47:53.559 --> 00:48:07.480
a strawberry, It's like reviewing a
Crumble cookies. Olivia Rodriguez, the Mexican

684
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:13.480
girl who'll be singing all them sad
songs. Oh my god, that's good.

685
00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:15.039
That's good. I'm glad I waited
for that. You so, yeah,

686
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:19.880
that was a long, needless It's
fine. I needed to hear it.

687
00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:22.199
So no, I was gonna say, you're moving up in the Christina

688
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:25.880
Verse because that's what my all my
podcasts are, Oh, in the Christina

689
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:30.360
Verse. Okay, yeah, our
podcast together are part of the christina Verse

690
00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:34.079
because it's shorter than trying to say
Christina Carmen Verse. Yeah yeah, yeah.

691
00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:38.159
And now I'm the co host of
a third podcast, the Christina Verse.

692
00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:43.360
In the Christina Verse. Yeah yeah, that actually reminds me. Starting

693
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:46.559
starting May, there's going to be
a new podcast in the Christina Verse.

694
00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:51.519
Oh, starting in May. Yeah. I just released the trailer early so

695
00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:54.119
that I would all be ready for
in May, because the first episode is

696
00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:57.920
going to be about single to my
own. Oh, it's called a little

697
00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:00.639
bit, and like the title says, it's a little bit of it's gonna

698
00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:07.239
be a ten minute episode daily podcast
only weekdays, not weekends, where I

699
00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:09.000
don't know, I just talk about
things that are too short. Free story

700
00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:14.679
as a known but yeah, like
the real story behind Syincle actually that could

701
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:17.079
have been its own, like ten
part series, but the real story behind

702
00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:22.480
Sinco and Mayo into like a ten
minute episode. The history of La into

703
00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:27.599
a ten minute episode. Why are
not just called nachos? Okay, things

704
00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:31.440
that I wonder uh my Google searches. Basically that's what it is. And

705
00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:36.639
there's it's just me very short episode, no bad words, so kid friendly

706
00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:40.840
you could say, but yeah,
just either history, geography obviously Latin America,

707
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:46.760
well a little bit of what could
say a little bit. Yeah,

708
00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:52.039
you can find the trailer up right
now. But again it's not there's no

709
00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:54.719
episodes until May. I just needed
to do everything early because I'm gonna write

710
00:49:54.880 --> 00:49:59.280
like all of a bunch of episodes
and have them ready. No, that's

711
00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:01.400
exciting. I am excited. Yeah, yeah, I am okay. So

712
00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:05.000
yeah, that's it for updates.
M J should be back soon. I

713
00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:07.079
don't have an exact dates. People
were asking, and I was like,

714
00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:08.079
did I know. I'm pretty sure
I said it, but I think it

715
00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:12.000
was a very brief like, oh, she's stepping away for a moment,

716
00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:15.320
and I thought she was going to
be back sooner. I do remember you

717
00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:19.599
saying it. Yeah, but yeah, she stepped away for a moment with

718
00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:24.280
family stuff. Then her computer broke
and but she's ready. I don't have

719
00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:28.440
an exact date, but again,
she should be back very soon. That's

720
00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:32.519
it. Don't cross baseball fields at
ranchol and if you do, don't look

721
00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:37.960
back and just run. Look back
in And it was the cows, for

722
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:42.320
sure, the cows and yestya.
Spooky will catch everyone next time. Bye.

723
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:49.760
Spooky Tales is hosted by Christina and
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724
00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:54.760
Everything is written and researched by Christina
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725
00:50:54.920 --> 00:50:59.840
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726
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727
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731
00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:22.960
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733
00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:31.880
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734
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:37.320
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735
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736
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737
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I absolutely adore it. It's so
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738
00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:54.480
a spooky in Old English letters.
There's also a baseball hat in the same

739
00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:58.079
way as spooky and Old English letters, and that's what I wear in the

740
00:51:58.119 --> 00:52:00.480
summers. They're both awesome hat.
And there's other things in there, like

741
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:05.599
the no Mama's shirts, which is
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742
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history, check out my other podcast, Istodia's Unknown, hosted with the unofficial

743
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official guest co host of a Spooky
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no velast, checkout Novelaskosito, which
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745
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yeah, we love every single listen
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746
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:24.400
much, Stay as spooky.