Legends From Zacatecas (part two) and the Case of Victoria Pamela Salas

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Hi everyone. This is Christina and
this is MJ and Carmen and this is

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another episode of a Spooky Tells,
the podcast for all things spoogee and also

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true crime. That's right, we're
a true crime and paranormal podcast now because

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we want to make the episodes longer. By we I mean me so yeah,

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because Casina does what she wants,
because this is her podcast. We're

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just living in it. No,
no, I'm not. This is a

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democracy, okay, it's not a
dictatorship our face. O. Wow,

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I'm being exposed and I don't like
it anyway. Today MJ has some psychoticas

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stories for us, yes, some
more, and then she's get a balance

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because she has a migraine. Now
they suck. She needs to rest.

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I did tell MJ she didn't have
to be here and Carmen could read it,

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because Carmen has contractual obligation, right
right, I'm gonna stick it out,

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like as long as it's not too
bad. Yeah, yeah, as

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long as it's not too bad,
but of course, yeah, and if

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you need to leave halfway after sentence, that's fine. I'm out. White

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flag. We're gonna miss you though, Okay, Well, before we get

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started, a listener story which Kerman
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ways. So yeah, we love
receiving them. Kermen. Are you Are

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you ready? I am all right? Okay, Ola, ghoulish ladies.

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My name is Jessica. Hello,
Jessica. I have a crazy experience that

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I recently started to remember. I
try to keep it short. When I

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was around the age of nine or
eleven, my family and die I had

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to temporarily move into a house.
This house was straight out of the late

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seventies era, yellow and dark brown
interior, from the mustard yellow walls to

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the dark brown carpet. Yuck,
we live. Actually, I love mustard

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yellow, but I don't know about
walls. That color mustard yellow is beautiful

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during autumn. Yes, I love
wearing it. Yeah, a dark brown

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carpet, though I don't know about
that. Yeah, I'm okay with mustard

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yellow furniture. Me too, Like
I would like a couch like a yellow

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accent chair. Yeah, pillows.
So anyway, Josica goes on. We

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lived in this house for no more
than a few months, and in this

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time I could remember always feeling uneasy
around this one closet with double doors in

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the living room area. One evening, me and my siblings were just watching

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TV after dinner when this heavy feeling
was coming from behind me. I turned

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around and to my surprise, there
was nothing there. So I returned to

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watching TV when all of a sudden, I see one of the closest doors

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open shut and open again to see
two white eyes hovering in mid air.

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Oh, I screamed, No,
no, she scrumped. I screamed and

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asked my sister if she saw the
closet and she said no. When I

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look back to the closet door,
it was closed like nothing was there.

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After this experience, nothing happened like
that ever again. Those eyes were never

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seen again. Well that's good,
I know. After that, we eventually

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moved away to a new home.
Thank you for letting me share my ghost

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experience. If I have any more
stories, I'd be sure to pass them

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along. And yes, hopefully you
get hunted again. I'm like, hopefully

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not, but if you do,
let us know. We'll be here next

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time you're haunted. Keep up the
great work on the pod. I'll be

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listening to all the spookytails. Wow, that's so creepy. Yeah, it

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is creepy. It's like it's like
whatever this ghost is trying to be Like

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GE's mosa It's like it was like, I'm going to get one more scared

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and then I'm gonna go, and
then they're going to retire, like I

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can move on to my eternal rest
until I scare this one. Jessica,

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you know what it reminds me.
It reminds me of the emojis with the

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eyes looking sideways, just like going
there. And that's the way that the

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ghost was side eyeing her, like
you did not make that man, mind

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you, she's eleven, I don't
know right right, that's true. The

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ghost was like, I know Lisa
from class, copied your Lisa Frank style,

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and you let her get away with
it. Side that's what it was

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thinking. No, but it's so
funny, like elementary Beef is hilarious.

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If you have kids, you know, mine are too young. They're not

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there yet. My kids are like, mom, here's the drama. Okay,

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so so said this, and I
was like, and I'd be like,

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really, tell me more, tell
let's get some peak, gets out

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of her mug. No, But
kids take it so seriously. Everything is

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like, you know, so serious. They copied me, mom. I

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don't understand. I've been watching the
Grassy and some of the I mean,

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they kind of take it a little
too far. But like it'll be like

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wearing the same dress too, like
prom or the ugly pink dress thing.

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It's like a huge thing with like
little kids. It's like they're trying to

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be like themselves and then here's like
someone else in their little space, you

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know, like copying them, copying
them, and it's like the worst thing

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ever. And I'm like, you, guys, it's fine, it's fine.

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No, it's not, MG,
it's not. But then it's like

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if your kid has beef, you
have beef right with the parents. Secretly.

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Yeah. If if she doesn't like, then I don't like. I

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don't like, and I don't like
Bolina's mom either, or the granny,

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none of them. Oh my god. Okay, So I have like four

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legends one, two, three,
four, So yes, they're they're pretty

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short though, so that's why it
like I covered four because they're pretty short.

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So the first legend is La Lenda, and this is a sort of

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a horror story. Legend goes that
in the heart of the mountain it is

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filled with metals and precious stone,
and there is a cave that glitters where

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the walls are made of pure gold
and the floor is made of pure silver.

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It's adorned with precious stones that shine
brilliantly in the cave and during the

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days of celebration and festivals, when
the night falls on top of there is

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a woman who appears who is said
to be indescribably beautiful. Of course,

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she is seductive. She bewitches men
and she puts them in a trance.

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She promises to take them to the
cave that's full of riches and magic,

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but there's one condition. Never leave. She must carry them in her arms

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to the city's basilica so they can
get married. She's going to carry them.

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They are also told not to look
back during the journey to the basilica.

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As the journey takes place and they
get closer to their destination, horrifying

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screams begin. Sounds that are described
to be coming from the underworld are heard.

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The men, unable to keep their
promises about not looking back, give

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in in fear. This is where
the Enchanting Woman's real form appears, and

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she appears to the men as a
horrifying snake, and she ends the life

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of the men she carries it look
back exactly. Should never look back.

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I'm gonna say it. Whenever there's
a legend where someone's specifically a man,

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it's always a man. I don't
know why. They're not supposed to look

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back, Like ten out of ten
they're going to look back. They're going

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to look back. Yeah, it's
like pushing the red button. You know,

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you told someone don't push the red
button and they're like, I'm going

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to do it. Not to do
it, I would be so dead.

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Yeah, it's the same. I'd
be like, like a split second,

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I'll be like, what's what's behind
us? Yeah? No, immediately I

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would turn back, Like that's what
I'm saying. Actually, it's not even

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a man, because I know I
would do it. I'd be in her

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arms, Like, but but would
it have a nice to be carried in

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the last moment life like yeah,
you know, be taken care of,

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like this the first time. We
aren't let down deadly woman, snake a

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sneakly woman. Yeah, I mean
checks out. Out of all things,

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the only person or a thing that
won't let us down until they kill us

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until Yeah, what she said,
don't look bad? I mean, I

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mean technically, I mean, well, I guess it depends she might not

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put us down on the floor,
so technically she might not even let us

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down. You're right, true,
You're right. Okay. So the next

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legend is legend of the Evan Mine. And another popular legend is that of

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the Van Mind. And this legend
is back from the mining boom in Mexico,

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which happened between fifteen eighty six and
nineteen sixties. Yeah, it's the

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They were mining this mine for like
three hundred years, damn. So this

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mine was exploited for its deposits and
it was one of the most important minds

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in all of the Americas. Legend
says that there was a miner named Roke,

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and one day, while he was
preparing for his day in the mine,

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he found something interesting, a large
silver rock. Excited for what this

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discovery could mean, he hid the
rock from his companion. He didn't want

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to share what belonged to him.
It was his. He found it.

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Why should he share something that he
found? He hid it in a place

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only he knew. However, by
the end of the day he went back

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to the hiding place, the large
silver rock was gone. He became enraged,

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and he began screaming and shouting curses
inside the mine, as though the

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ed and mine could hear him talking. Smack, it returned that the mind

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began to shake, and then a
landslide claim him forever buried in the mine.

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It is said that his face is
engraved on a rock in the mine,

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Oh my God, which can be
seen through a guided tour, and

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they will take you to the place
where the incident happened. There are many

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warnings to anyone who visits the mind. If you find gold or silver in

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the mind, do not hide it, but sure so you don't find yourself

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also buried. And this mine is
from the images I found online. It's

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like a museum and you can go
there and can see all the fossils and

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stuff found there and explore it.
But I don't know if like you can

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act. I tried looking for the
face in the rocks, and I couldn't

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find any So, I don't know
if this is like a little just legend.

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Clearly we need to go and find
it ourselves. How creepy if there's

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like someone that carved just the face. I mean, even if it's like

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someone who carved it exactly, that's
that's so weird. Yeah, yeah,

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it's very and I mean it has
to be there because they show it during

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tours mm hmm. Or it could
be like one of those things like like

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you know how human brains just look
for shapes and it just so happened to

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look like a face, which either
way it's no weard. Yeah. So

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the next legend is the legend of
Tres Cruses. And in seventeen sixty three,

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there was a man of high respect
that lived in Zacatecas. His name

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was Don Diegove Gaina. He agreed
to welcome his niece into his home when

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she was orphaned Biatrice Monada. His
niece was a beautiful woman, and she

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quickly became the talk of Lacaye Lastress
Cruses. She had many suitors, However,

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her heart belonged to a young indigenous
man named Gabriel. She had met

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him at a town festival and Gabriel
serenaded Beatrice every night. She would appear

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on her balcony when he serenaded her. That's just so cute. Yeah,

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her uncle Don Diego didn't think love
or romance was anything more than a story

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or wishful thinking. He decided who
she married, and he decided that she

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would marry none other than his own
son, Beatrice fucking uncle Biax's cousin,

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Antonio de Gaynard. It's sweet Home
Alabama anyways, Antonio was in love with

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her and he wanted to make her
his wife. Grows the cousin, right,

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yeah, the cousin. During one
of the serenades, Don Diego finds

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out that Gabriel and Beatrice loved each
other, and he was angry this indigenous

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man was after his niece. In
a fit of rage, she decides to

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end the love affair and orders Gabriel
to leave. Gabriel out of respect obeys,

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however, not before letting Don Diego
know that he is leaving not because

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he's afraid, but out of honor. Don Diego snaps. He takes Gabriel's

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words as a slight to him,
and Don Diego draws his sword and tries

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to attack Gabriel. The two fight, Don Diego is killed with his own

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weapon. Yes, okay, so
Gabriel one. Gabriel in shock over what

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transpired, he becomes distracted, right
like, so he's like freaking out and

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a servant stabs Gabriel, killing him. Uh why does the servan get involved?

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I don't know. Paycheck. Maybe
he was like, oh, I'm

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not gonna get paid, but the
sun's still alive. I don't know.

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Stabbed yeah, exact line, yes, yes, And Patrice is watching everything

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from her balcony. She faints from
the horror and falls off the balcony and

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the blow kills her. Oh my
god, this is terrible. Yes,

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this is like keeps on escalating.
Her body ends on top of both Don

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Diego and Gabriel. Since then,
the street has been named Tres Cruces or

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three crosses, like the three tombstone
process. And that's the legend of Lacaye.

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So what a legend? Like it
was a legend. It had it

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all. It really did. Love, betrayal, stacked bodies, bodies and

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bodies and bodies. Wow. No, it was a plot twist though it

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was. I did not expect her
to land on top of him. That

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was crazy. The last legend is
and Mathilde Cabrera was a beautiful young woman

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who came from a very conservative religious
family. She lived in a big house.

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She played the piano and people who
would pass by the home could see

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through the window of the living room
you could see her playing the piano.

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During one of her visits to the
church, Matilde met the love of her

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life, a young man who attended
the same church. He soon fell in

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love with her, and he would
pass by her home every day. She

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placed a mirror in the window of
the study so she could see him walk

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on the street in front of her
house. That's cute. They would converse

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through signs from a distance, and
every day she would dress in her best

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outfits, play piano for him and
checked. One day, the man disappeared

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and Matilde didn't know that he had
joined the army. She never saw him

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again. Oh, she never gave
up hope that she would one day see

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him again, and she became the
crazy woman with the mirror. She would

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wait for him every afternoon. However, he never returned. He had died

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without seeing her face again. From
then on the street was called like kayevel

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Espejo or elk and yes it's a
home you could actually visit. Wow,

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and like the entire street was named
after her peculiar behavior that's so sad blasts

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but yeah, and a piano.
What's her name again? Matilda? Poor

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Mati I was gonna say poor Batries
and I was like that name. That

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was the last one. Oh no, wonder it was in your head?

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Wait? Why oh that was the
last one? Yeah, okay, okay,

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yeah, someone that that fell off
the balcony and okay, that's why

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I was singing bad threes then okay, and this is Mattile. Your stories

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all had a theme. That first
two were like mine women silver gold,

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and these two were tragic love stories. Yes, there's like a lot of

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tragic love stories in Saktas because like, in a way, I guess the

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one that I covered last week was
was cute, but I find it kind

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of sad that they chopped down the
tree. I don't know. I'm one

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of those people that when I see
a tree chop I like, I feel

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this sadness. You have mentioned that, Yeah, it makes me so sad

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and angry when I see people pudumb
a tree. I don't know why.

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It's irrational. I understand I'm just
like, that's so sad. You're just

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one with nature, that's all.
Yeah. Yeah, what do they say,

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like a like a green witch or
something? I wish I cannot keep

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plants alive to Oh never mind,
that doesn't sound right now I have a

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black thumb. Wow whoa Okay,
I take it back. I was not

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expecting that. Okay, okay,
wow, Well I loved all of those.

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I loved all of those. Okay, is this where you leave us?

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I'm dry? Do you want?
My headache hasn't gotten worse, It's

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still there, like it's building.
But I don't know. It's up to

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you guys, Like, well,
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you? How do you feel?
I'm okay, I think I could like

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push on. If anything happens,
I'll let you know, Okay, Okay,

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yes, I'll let you guys.
Tho. Okay, okay, perfect,

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Okay, So I have a case
for you guys that I had no

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idea about because it takes place in
Mexico, and I'm sorry, I've been

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watching the grasscene. I feel like
I accidentally keep saying about like a Canadian

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about a boat, a boat.
Oh my god, I'm stuck in my

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head. Now you're speaking of Canadian. It's like there's a sound on TikTok

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going around that's like, what does
it say? B b L drizzy bbl?

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Oh my god? And then there
was was it the braids And it's

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just been stuck in my head.
I wasn't in my head having a little

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party for beating the same rights.
Oh man, yeah, I keep hearing

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that, and then just like a
minor Oh, that's been stuck in my

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head. And then I randomly just
the word crody, like how he says,

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Oh my god. Anyway, all
that's been very stuck in my head.

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And I just passed the episode where
Jimmy slash Drake gets shot into grassy.

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So wow, did you think to
yourself bb la, like all of

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this was unfolding, and I had
no idea because I had been bench in

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the grassy and that's all I had
been doing in my free time. I

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had not been doing anything else.
And then I finally opened like Twitter and

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I started seeing things about what's Lamar's, like, what's happening? And then

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I listened to Kendrick Lamar songs first, because that's like, I don't I

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think the last time I listened to
Drake was like two thousand and eleven.

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I've never listened. I don't know. There was something about Drake I can't.

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I guess it's his voice. Maybe
I don't know. He just I

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liked some songs, like the one
he had with Rihanna. Mm hmmm.

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Yeah. Some of it's like his
first CD's all. I really listened to

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the first and second ones. But
Kendrick Lamars was the weekend. I just

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love him. Yeah yeah, but
yeah, I had no idea what was

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happening, what was unfolding, and
then I listened to everything and I just

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made a thing. Ever its second
hand right now. Yeah, I've been

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having a great time. Yeah,
No, it was a wild weekend.

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M Jay sent me and then I
sent it to Carmen. But a Mettinget

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version oh bbl bb and Drake bb
bbl Drake bb yeah, and it's it's

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meddingan. I'm like, what is
happening? And then they start that oh

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v ho. Yeah. So that's
what going on. And so yeah,

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and sure if I accidentally say about
like a canadianist because I've been watching the

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Grassi anyway, Okay, So yeah, I have a case for you guys,

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and it's from Mexico. I've never
heard of them. So it's the

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case of Victoria Pamela and Mario Science. And I think if it involves a

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woman and a man, I think
we know where this is going. Content

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warning for femicide. So Victoria Pamela
Salas turned twenty three on August thirteen,

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twenty seventeen. She was born Augustary
first, nineteen ninety four, in Mexico

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City. She was the middle child. When she was young, her mother

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married Sarador Salas, adopted her,
her older sister and her younger brother,

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and she had a loving family,
a good upbringing, even though that they

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didn't have a lot of money in
the family. They were lower income.

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Her friends and family called her Pame. She loved trying on new clothes,

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getting dolled up, putting makeup on. That was like her favorite pastime.

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And taking selfies. I love it. In the room she shared with her

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grandmother, she had like twenty pairs
of shoes. Oh, she loves shoes

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and clothes, and she did have
to drop out of high school to make

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ends meet, to help her parents
make ends meet, and she figured she

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could go back to school just whenever
the times were better. In twenty fifteen,

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she started working as a salesperson and
she sold credit cards, which I

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know, there's like a better term
to say that, because you don't like

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sell a credit card. She got
people to sign up for credit cards,

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so this brought in a lot more
money than before. And so this was

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enough to help her parents and for
her to pay for all her shoes and

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her clothes, and for her to
have fun. She must love that.

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Yeah, yeah, so she was
out in the clubs. But you know,

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she's twenty three, she's young,
so well, I think I guess

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when she got this job, she
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So during one of her outings,
her nighttime outings, she met Mario

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Science and he was twenty seven,
so six years older than herself. Victoria

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didn't know who he was, but
most of Mexico did, at least skateboarding

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fans, because yeah, and I
don't know who he was either. So

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he had like a bunch of social
media followers on Twitter and Instagram. He

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was a pro skater. He was
one of the first, actually, he

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was the first to receive sponsorships for
skating in Mexico. So a big deal,

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A big deal for skaters, and
I don't know people who follow skating.

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I guess I still wouldn't know who. I saw his fiction. I'm

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like, I don't know who.
I don't know Tony Hawk. Yeah,

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I was like, what's his last
name? Yeah? Same? And then

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the other guy that wasn't also in
the games, Bam Margera. That's not

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his name. He was a skater, wasn't he the one from the show,

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the reality show or whatever, the
little pranking one. So I don't

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know, maybe this guy won the
X Games or something, but because he

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I mean he he was a pro
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He even opened several skate stores in
Mexico City. So yeah, Mario

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Science and Victoria had met and they
fell in love. But it was a

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tumultuous relationship from the beginning. They
argued, they fought, they broke up,

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they got back together, and a
lot of the fighting and the relationship

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came from Mario telling Victoria that he
didn't have time for her because he had

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a young son and he had to
spend time with him. But that was

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what he was telling her, and
like, I mean, come on,

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I don't buy it. And yeah, this this upset her, and so

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she would go home crying to her
mom, telling her that the relationship was

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too chaotic, there was too much
fighting, like she was done. And

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so two years after they met,
she decided to start planning her future without

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Mario. She was looking for better
jobs so she could help her parents buy

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a house. And then on her
twenty third birthday twenty seventeen, she told

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her mom, oh, he called, he called, and she was talking

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about Mario. She told her mom, Gonzuelo, that Mario was going to

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stop by her work pick her up
and they were going to go to a

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party together to celebrate. And Gonzoelo
knew that this wasn't the original plans that

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they had for Victoria's birthday, but
she didn't tell her anything because she just

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wanted Victoria to be happy, and
I mean, she's an adult and whatever.

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She just yeah, she just wants
to support her. Later, she

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saw Victoria upload her a picture of
herself in a pink dress, her lips

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are done, the makeup is on
point, she's smiling, she's looking great.

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Mario is in the background, like
looking down or something. Yeah,

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yeah, Like you can even be
bothered to like look up for the picture.

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I guess it's my impression of it, you know what. But I'll

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just send it to you guys.
You could be reading into it. I

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could be reading into it because maybe
she just took it without telling it that

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I'm looking. Yeah, but I
will continue to read into it. All

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right. I've sent the picture.
I've seen her picture before, you have,

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yeah, and that's him, and
I'm like, I had never seen

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him before, So I don't know. I can't never paint my cupid's bow

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that good or like line it that
could maybe it doesn't. I just don't

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have a sharp like lip line in
general. So I think it's he has

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a really sharp one. Yeah,
she has a really sharp one. Hers

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dips Prettyana doesn't like that too.
I guess that's just a shape of their

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lips. But yeah, so he
is the pro skater. And whenever I

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do upload video, finally I have
to edit them. I don't know.

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It's just like I've put it out
for so long and now and I know

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it's not hard to do, but
it's just like I've put her off for

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so long that I'm like daunting and
editing all these videos that I'm behind.

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Damn. But when I upload the
video, I will put these pictures up

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of them so that you know what
they look like. We'll also post them

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to Instagram when we upload the that
we have this episode out. So yeah,

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that's Mario and that that's Victoria,
and so yeah, on her twenty

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third birthday, they were going to
go out to a party together. Oh

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yeah, right, that's not where
it was. She uploaded a picture of

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herself and he looks distracted and she's
smiling. So yeah, anyway, she

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looked happy. Everything seemed fine until
the next day. Victoria wasn't back,

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even though you know, she told
her family she was going to be back.

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Gonzuelo, her mom sent her a
message asking where she was, and

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Victoria replied telling her that she would
be back the next day. But the

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next day came and she still wasn't
back. Gonzuelo sent her another message,

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and then Victoria replied that her job
had given her a day off and Mario

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was going to take her to Koyokok, which is like a tourist area in

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Morelos. And now it was getting
suspicious because this wasn't like her to one

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not like call them, to not
be home, then to like not go

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to work, and to randomly have
a day off, like none of this

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sounded normal. But her message is
still they sounded like her. So her

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family they still even though they were
like, this is weird, they let

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it slide another day Salad. Her
dad sent another message that afternoon and Victoria

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00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:33.160
told them again she would be back
tomorrow. But then it was September two

405
00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:36.079
and she was still not back.
With how much day that had passed though

406
00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:38.680
four oh okay o three my bad, no, my god, count three,

407
00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:42.799
So she was still not back,
and she was not answering messages anymore.

408
00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:48.200
She wasn't even replying, and now
they were even more concerned. Then

409
00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:52.960
the morning of the third there was
a knock on the door. Gonzuelo opened

410
00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:56.319
the door and thinking that it was
Victoria, but instead it was two officers

411
00:31:56.400 --> 00:32:00.119
at the door, and they informed
Gonsuela that she needed to go to the

412
00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:05.759
office in tel Pan and they wouldn't
tell her why. So she was gonna

413
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:08.079
go get a pencil to write down
the address. While she was doing that,

414
00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:13.599
officers asked her if she knew Mario's
science and she was like, yeah,

415
00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:15.559
that's my daughter's boyfriend. And then
they were like, all right,

416
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:20.119
tell us everything you know about him
because we need to locate him. And

417
00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:22.640
this said Gonzola off. She was
like, what do you mean you need

418
00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:24.799
to locate him? Oh my god. She's like, just tell me what's

419
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:29.519
going on? Yeah, And I
feel like if they just would have explained

420
00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:31.839
right away, baby, they wouldn't. But like this just makes him more

421
00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:37.119
scary. I mean, you you
never know, like it's really hard to

422
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:43.599
give people bad news. It's horrible. Yeah, and you know it's hard

423
00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:46.759
to know what to say and yeah, so FTP. But I don't blame

424
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:52.279
them now, you're right, you're
right. So they set her off.

425
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:54.319
She was like, where's my daughter? Why do you need to know everything

426
00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:58.039
about Mario? Where are they?
Why isn't she here? She just kept

427
00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:00.359
asking a question after question. That
is better to be up front right away,

428
00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:06.359
So yeah, that's always I would
think. So yeah. So then

429
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:08.079
officers were like, all right,
well we need to talk to like Salvador

430
00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:14.279
because she's not listening anymore. She's
just freaking out, understandably. So so

431
00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:19.799
then they finally talked to Salvadora and
they tell him the terrible news that Victoria

432
00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:24.319
Pamela, that she had been murdered
in Hotel Novo and Traalpan, which was

433
00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:29.359
kind of nearby but now super close
to them. Salolos struggled to keep himself

434
00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:31.880
together, but he had to go
identify her, and so when he went

435
00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:37.079
over there, officers told him what
had happened. Based on the hotel employees

436
00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:44.079
testimony, on the night of September
first, hotel employees saw a couple arrived

437
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:50.160
together. Later the couple, the
guy left this hotel room and said like,

438
00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:52.319
oh, she's just gonna be a
little bit longer, and he went

439
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:54.880
to the garage where like the cars
are located, and he never came back.

440
00:33:55.279 --> 00:34:00.000
Hours later, they finally checked the
hotel. So that's like the stage

441
00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:04.400
of what happened. So on the
night of the September first, the hotel

442
00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:08.960
employees saw Mario and Victoria arrive at
the hotel. They stayed in room twenty

443
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:13.920
and asked for peers and food.
When the worker took their food, Marieo

444
00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:19.519
was very upset because the WiFi wasn't
working. He called three different employees and

445
00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:23.320
made them enter the password on three
different phones different times, and he was

446
00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:28.360
just very rude. And then around
five thirty in the morning, he left

447
00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:31.800
the room and told them that Victoria
was going to stay a while longer.

448
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:37.280
He left the garage to go get
his car, and he, yeah,

449
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:40.480
never came back. Hotel employees waited
and waited, but then they got concerned

450
00:34:40.519 --> 00:34:45.480
because the checkout time came and went
and she was still knock coming out of

451
00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:47.800
the room. So finally they went
in to see what was going on.

452
00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:52.480
They knocked on the door and nobody
answered, so then they unlocked the door,

453
00:34:52.599 --> 00:34:57.519
went in and the room was torn
apart. It was a mess.

454
00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:00.800
There was blood everywhere. Oh god. But they still didn't see Victoria right

455
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:05.760
away, but they heard the shower
running, so they went over there to

456
00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:09.320
look, and of course they were
horrified went what they saw because she was

457
00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:15.119
under the shower. The water was
hot, all the way hot, so

458
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:22.119
her skin was like, you know, already like getting very burned. Yeah.

459
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:25.199
Uh, and it's not a pretty
sis. As someone who has seen

460
00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:31.079
basically this exact scenario in the RV, yeah, it's terrible. It's terrible

461
00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:37.159
to come across this, and so
the water was running still they found her.

462
00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:40.280
Yeah, her skin was burned.
She had cuts and bruises everywhere and

463
00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:45.760
a deep cut across her neck.
Go so like, obviously if they saw

464
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:49.960
him leaving, like, who do
you think? I don't think there's a

465
00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:54.280
question about who did this? Yeah, he's stupid as Yeah. If two

466
00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:59.280
people entered a room, one prison
left the room, and hours later no

467
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:01.480
one else went in her out,
and one person who did not leave the

468
00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:08.519
room is dead, like, come
on the case wrote itself like. So

469
00:36:09.880 --> 00:36:15.599
she was transferred to the forensic institution
and it was determined she had been under

470
00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:20.920
the water for ten hours when she
was found. The cause of death was

471
00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:23.960
the cut to her neck, and
there were other fingerprints and DNA that they

472
00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:28.960
still needed to figure out who they
belonged to. But like investigators, they

473
00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:31.880
didn't have the results yet, but
they figured it was probably Mario who was

474
00:36:32.119 --> 00:36:37.199
in the room. So the funeral
was very quick, very fast. It

475
00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:42.960
was that Sunday, the third,
and everyone was shocked when Matio walked into

476
00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:47.000
the funeral because he was the last
person to see her. They're like,

477
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:51.920
what the hell are you doing here? Basically yanikes. Yeah, he walked

478
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:54.960
up to Gonzuelo and gave her his
condolences and then said like, oh,

479
00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:59.639
I can't believe she's gone. She
was already suspicious of him, because you

480
00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:02.000
know, he was the last person
to see her alive. Nobody wanted him

481
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:06.880
there. But then on top of
that, his ass was walking around the

482
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:10.360
funeral with the piece of paper that
he was saying was his alibi, like

483
00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:14.280
proof, like what the hell,
why are you carrying that shit on you?

484
00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:21.519
I'm sorry, how drake of him? No, no, that's his

485
00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:30.400
argument. Uh no, not true
basically, because then this is ridiculous.

486
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:36.400
Oh my god, it kids,
absolutely what was he thinking? So this

487
00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:43.719
piece of paper was a receipt for
tires, new tires, because his alibi

488
00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:47.159
is that he was with his son
and friend all day. That night he

489
00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:52.719
drove his friend home, his tires
popped, all four of them. Oh,

490
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:58.039
and then that paper is and it's
unclear to me from the articles I

491
00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:01.800
read, if the paper was the
receipt for the tires purchased to replace the

492
00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:06.840
four or if it was like the
nunciak he made with the police, like

493
00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:10.559
a report about his tires a cantel
because once some articles said it was a

494
00:38:10.639 --> 00:38:14.519
report, and other articles said it
was a receipt. Okay, but it's

495
00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:19.840
something with the timestamp. Yes,
but I think after pond further reading,

496
00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:22.920
I think he had both. I
think he did go make a supposed report

497
00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:28.000
when this happened, and he had
a receipt of new tires. Of course,

498
00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:30.800
that doesn't mean he bought the receipt
himself, Like this man is rich,

499
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:34.360
he could have sent a friend to
buy the tires, like come on

500
00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:38.920
right. And then the hotel staff
he took in at the hotel and then

501
00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:44.159
he told them he was leaving.
Yeah. Yeah, they literally saw him

502
00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:45.480
doing this. And also, when
the hell are you carrying this piece of

503
00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:50.480
paper that's your proof that you this
wasn't you? Like, why are you

504
00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:54.320
doing that at the funeral of all
places? Yeah, So this like made

505
00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:57.880
all of her family mad, like
what the hell are you doing? They

506
00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:00.440
call the police. The police arrived
to arrest him. Oh okay, good,

507
00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:07.559
but there wasn't enough evidence, no, like forensic evidence they had the

508
00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:12.639
hotel people say he was there circumstantial, yeah, but there was no physical

509
00:39:12.679 --> 00:39:17.679
evidence tying him to like her anything
that like anything really, So they questioned

510
00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:21.800
him, but they had to let
him go, but he was announced a

511
00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:23.599
percent of interest, and you know
when they say you're a percent of interest,

512
00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:28.119
you can't leave. You had to
stay in the area for further questioning

513
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:35.239
when the occasion comes. In October. So the following month of twenty seventeen,

514
00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:40.079
the last reports from forensics were available, and they did find Mario's DNA

515
00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:45.079
in Victoria's nails. So with this
now they could say, yeah, she

516
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:50.960
fought her assailant and her assailant was
Mario, so that's how the DNA ended

517
00:39:51.039 --> 00:39:53.480
up in her fingernails, so they
could finally arrest him. They put out

518
00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:58.159
a warrant, but this mother worker
was on the run already. He had

519
00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:02.519
left the country. Interpol put out
like a you know, whatever they put

520
00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:05.519
out, I don't know what they're
called, like a bolo. I don't

521
00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:07.599
know if that's what they're called.
I'm not sure what they call it,

522
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:09.360
but I know what you're saying.
Yeah, like that, they're searching for

523
00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:14.679
this person. Mexican police were looking
for him. He was nowhere to be

524
00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:20.039
found. The family continued to pray
for his capture, and they believed he

525
00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:22.480
could be on the run because he
was a rich you know, pro skater

526
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:27.760
so he could afford this. They
even had to tell Victoria's poor grandmother,

527
00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:30.199
who she shared the room with,
that she had died in a car accident,

528
00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:34.800
because they didn't want to make her
more sick, because she was already,

529
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:37.119
like, I don't know what she
was sick from, but she was

530
00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:39.800
not doing well and they didn't want
to worry her more. And just when

531
00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:45.840
they started thinking he would never be
caught, he reappeared on TV. The

532
00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:52.480
Audacity Yes, a TV station put
out a video of him saying that the

533
00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:58.199
police had put on a show to
make him look guilty, that he was

534
00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:01.880
never near Victoria on that night,
and he was not a fugionative. His

535
00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:06.679
lawyer had been representing him this whole
time, so he was not actually on

536
00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:08.920
the run. There was no need
to keep looking for him. He would

537
00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:14.400
turn himself in though he was innocent. Records would show that he's innocent.

538
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:19.119
That's why the was being played on
TV and social media. So then on

539
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:22.360
March thirty, first, he twenty
nineteen, he showed up to a commercial

540
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:27.880
center in Mexico City and he was
arrested. He was charged with the femicide

541
00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:31.679
of Victoria Pamela, though her mom
Consuelo just felt like this was a show.

542
00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:35.760
They were just doing it to like
try and say, oh, look

543
00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:38.559
look at us solving crimes. Like
she didn't really believe anything's going to happen.

544
00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:45.960
Then the same channel after his arrest
was showing another video of Marion giving

545
00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:49.760
a different account of the night,
and I'm like, what is happening?

546
00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:52.360
He shouldn't even be talking to the
TV like this number one thing, like

547
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:57.000
if you did do something, or
even if you didn't, don't talk like,

548
00:41:57.960 --> 00:42:01.639
yeah, just shut the fuck up
his nay for he doesn't seem like

549
00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:06.119
it. No, really, all
the injuries from the skating falling on it,

550
00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:09.920
yeah you were thinking. Yeah.
So he was on TV giving a

551
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:15.480
different account of the night that their
daughter died. So this TV channel,

552
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:19.639
the same one that aired the previous
video, had Matteo on saying that that

553
00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:22.679
night he went to pick Victoria up. They went to visit a friend whose

554
00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:28.000
name was Katya. Together, then
Victoria went somewhere else and he doesn't know

555
00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:30.480
where. The next day, Victoria
showed up at his job. They hung

556
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:36.599
out, and so he left her
with a worker of one of his stores

557
00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:42.320
and a friend worker slash friend.
So then he didn't see her. The

558
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:45.000
rest of the night. He was
hanging out with his friend and his son,

559
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:51.360
and there is video footage of him
arriving home to a flood. His

560
00:42:51.719 --> 00:42:55.840
friends arrived to help him with his
house, and there's footage that shows them

561
00:42:55.880 --> 00:43:01.400
they're cleaning. There's also footage of
them going to tacos. Then at eleven

562
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:09.480
PM, there's like street surveillance or
something showing Mario's car. He's waiting for

563
00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:15.760
a grua and I don't remember the
word grua and like eclutu thank you,

564
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:20.480
yes, thanks, yeah, So
he's waiting for the toutra and there's footage

565
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:24.719
of this or pictures and so according
to Mario, this meant that he was

566
00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:29.960
not in the same place as Victoria. And there's an employee of his last

567
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:34.880
friend, Alette, who also says
Victoria was with her and her boyfriend until

568
00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:37.400
like one or two am, and
they saw her leave with the man who

569
00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:42.159
has a foreign accent, And there's
footage of her at the bar, like

570
00:43:42.440 --> 00:43:45.599
talking to a guy. There is
but like at a bar, you're gonna

571
00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:51.400
talk to different people throughout the night, and there's footage of Victoria with a

572
00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:55.199
man on a video that honestly kind
of resembles the clothing that Mario wears,

573
00:43:55.920 --> 00:44:00.199
so damn. I mean, like, was never said who it was,

574
00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:04.400
but it could have been him.
Yeah, But the friends that were there

575
00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:07.400
swear this was a different man because
she was a party girl and she could

576
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:12.480
not be trusting. So now they're
trying to blame her. Yes, and

577
00:44:12.639 --> 00:44:16.679
this was very different than the testimony
of the hotel workers. They're like,

578
00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:22.320
we saw him, Yeah, who
saw Mario and Victoria together on the second

579
00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:27.320
of September. And so then another
other video started popping up on social media

580
00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:30.679
and YouTube, claiming Victoria was a
drug user and that she was violent and

581
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:37.599
an alcoholic to try to defame her. Mm hmm exactly, But the autopsy

582
00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:43.519
like proved even if that were true, it wouldn't mean she deserved to be

583
00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:46.280
murdered. Now, but they're trying
to pick her in a bad light to

584
00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:52.199
blame her for her own murder.
But the autopsy showed that she had not

585
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:55.079
taken any drugs and there was only
a small amount of alcohol, not even

586
00:44:55.199 --> 00:45:00.320
enough to be drunk in her system
on the night she was more And so

587
00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:06.360
obviously her parents are outraged because they're
like, who is spreading these lives about

588
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:08.559
our daughter, Like, yeah,
she liked to have fun, but she

589
00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:15.519
was responsible and this, I mean
everyone that knew her said this, except

590
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:19.800
for Mario and his friends with him
and his camp probably spreading all this shit.

591
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:24.679
Yeah yeah, Mario and his skate
fans, they rang with this.

592
00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:30.199
Then there were also others demanding justice
for Victoria on Twitter. It was a

593
00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:36.280
hashtag. As a trial date came
closer, the hotel owner announced he did

594
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:40.320
not have footage of the two together, even though this footage previously existed,

595
00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:45.360
so they started to believe that Mario
was paying people off to get rid of

596
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:52.840
evidence, which yeah, I believe. During the trial, Mario's employee Adlette,

597
00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:58.119
the one who said Victoria was with
her and her boyfriend, she didn't

598
00:45:58.119 --> 00:46:00.920
show up to testify, so it's
already not looking good for Mario. His

599
00:46:01.159 --> 00:46:05.320
alibi was turned apart. The prosecution
was like, I mean, you could

600
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:08.440
have easily sent a friend for the
paperwork for your new tires. Just because

601
00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:13.119
there's small footage of you here and
there at your house, ses to me,

602
00:46:13.239 --> 00:46:16.440
you didn't leave to go do this, Like none of this is proof

603
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:22.480
of anything. There's also like phone
GPS couldn't place their phones, both of

604
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:28.559
their phones in the hotel that night. But then a very strange like thing

605
00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:32.639
happened. Mario's phone pinged at the
hotel room two days after Victoria's death.

606
00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:38.119
So people or persecution believes that this
was him back at the hotel getting them

607
00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:43.320
to erase the footage. So like
it just didn't look good for him.

608
00:46:43.639 --> 00:46:47.800
It was like everything was, everything
that he tried to do to make himself

609
00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:53.519
look innocent was looking worse and worse. So then February fourth, twenty twenty

610
00:46:53.599 --> 00:46:59.320
two, there was a trial.
Victoria's family was present. After several hours

611
00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:05.719
of the liberal, he was found
guilty and on the eleventh of February there

612
00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:08.440
was a second trial, which is
the one to like announce the sentence,

613
00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:15.599
and he was sentenced to forty five
years for the femicide of Victoria Pamela Salas.

614
00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:21.239
He was also made to pay for
the funeral costs of the family and

615
00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:28.360
to pay them four hundred and eighty
five thousand pestles in damages and consolo.

616
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:30.400
Her mom, you know, was
is on record saying, like, you

617
00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:35.199
know, obviously none of this brings
her back, but like it means justice

618
00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:39.320
was served, and that's something and
even though he was found guilty, his

619
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:45.840
little skater fans continue to support him. There's pictures of them like at the

620
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:52.079
trial with you know science that say
medio science as you sente loser behavior.

621
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:57.440
Yeah, medio science libre no massino
se la carce. No, we're not

622
00:47:57.599 --> 00:48:00.320
some people in jail. And he
still made a statement saying he was like

623
00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:06.599
innocent and he was being targeted for
this murder, that they needed a scapegoat.

624
00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:13.639
But there's literal evidence like pointing to
himself very and yeah, that is

625
00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:20.280
the case of Victoria. I'm so
sad. Yeah, she was so young.

626
00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:23.559
Did they ever find out why he
did it? Like because the man,

627
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:29.280
I mean yes, but like like
like an actual reason. No,

628
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:36.519
then there's no actual reason. But
I think I mean just he seemed to

629
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:40.119
have a temper just based on like
the how she said, like there's so

630
00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:44.559
much arguing and fighting in the relationship, but she yeahd some of it could

631
00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:47.079
have been caused by her, But
also like the employee saying that he was

632
00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:51.519
already in like a bad mood,
being super rude to them about the Wi

633
00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:54.119
Fi password. So honestly, they
I mean, it seems to be that

634
00:48:54.199 --> 00:48:59.199
they just fought and then it went
too far on his end, and he

635
00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:05.000
like a man that murders, they
have like rage problems and you know,

636
00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:09.400
one day it goes too far and
woman hating problems. Yeah, yeah,

637
00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:16.480
yeah, but there was no like
like, oh I caught her talking to

638
00:49:16.599 --> 00:49:21.119
a guy, so I reacted like
this, like nothing, yeah, none

639
00:49:21.159 --> 00:49:24.519
of that. He's just like that
is something. He's the extreme version of

640
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:30.760
my cheesemo and sexism. M yeah. And I didn't write it down,

641
00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:37.639
but she that year that was like
the fiftieth something femicide and no, it

642
00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:42.000
was like one hundred something, one
hundred and fifty something my femicide in Mexico

643
00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:46.199
City alone, and then the one
thousand, one hundred something femicide in Mexico

644
00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:52.840
at the time of her murder,
which was September second. Wow, So

645
00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:55.159
the year hadn't even been over and
it was already that high. And then

646
00:49:55.280 --> 00:50:04.679
we talked about how femicides are increasing
or not really like solved, and I

647
00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:07.719
mean in a bunch of cases throughout
a bunch of different episodes. And this

648
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:12.519
is another femicide, yeah, but
one that actually you know, he was

649
00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:17.800
sentenced found guilty. Yeah, so
many of them are unsolved or like they

650
00:50:17.880 --> 00:50:22.360
get away with it. Yeah,
at least they caught him. Yeah,

651
00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:27.480
yeah, that's very true. So
yeah, that brings us to the end

652
00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:30.800
of the episode. I guess we'll
hit a quick outbreak here and then come

653
00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:39.360
back with speak your recommendations. Okay, and we're back. Do you have

654
00:50:39.599 --> 00:50:45.159
any Speaguara recommendations? Either one of
you? I do, okay to tell

655
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:52.039
I don't so you guys, Okay. I started watching Under the Bridge on

656
00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:57.079
Hulu. I have either of you
heard of it? No? So it's

657
00:50:57.119 --> 00:51:00.119
a show based on a book,
based on a actual like it's a true

658
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:06.599
crime book from a well, I
don't know. Yeah what happens. I'm

659
00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:10.119
assuming it's a murder, but I
don't know yet because I try looking for

660
00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:14.199
the books I could read ahead to
find out what happens, because it's like

661
00:51:14.239 --> 00:51:16.920
a weekly thing on Hulu. It's
not you can't binge it. And I

662
00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:20.719
didn't know them when I started watching
it, and I watched all the available

663
00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:25.320
episodes last week when I watched it
was four of them. So I tried

664
00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:29.599
to look for the book and it's
not on Spotify and it's not a freaking

665
00:51:29.639 --> 00:51:31.280
Libby. So I don't know,
but I do want to try to look

666
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:35.320
for it, like you know,
to read in the future, but it's

667
00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:39.320
based on a crime that happened in
Canada. And sorry, every time I

668
00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:44.320
say Canada to fight the urge.
Oh speaking of Canada, I'm like,

669
00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:50.119
why I has Canada come up so
much this episode Canada centric? Every time

670
00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:52.639
I say Canada, had to fight
the urge to not say Kannada, like

671
00:51:53.119 --> 00:51:58.519
Michael Scott when he's trying to make
it sound foreign when he's gonna go traveler.

672
00:51:58.679 --> 00:52:06.159
Anyway, Yeah, these group of
teens who they were like foster kids,

673
00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:08.559
kids that were going through hard times, but they like made up this

674
00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:15.400
gang they call themselves CNC and I
forgot already. It was like crib mafia

675
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:21.599
something cartel, crib mafia cartel because
they were obsessed with like hip hop culture,

676
00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:25.840
gang culture from the United States,
rap all that. And anyway,

677
00:52:25.960 --> 00:52:34.280
there's this girl who she's like,
her family's from India, she's a child

678
00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:37.920
of immigrants, and so she doesn't
fit in and then she becomes friends with

679
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:42.320
these girls, but like they're not
good girls, they're not good people.

680
00:52:42.679 --> 00:52:47.599
They manipulate the CMC are girls.
Yes they're girls, but it's same,

681
00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:57.440
but it's not good. But Anyway, she becomes friends with them, but

682
00:52:57.639 --> 00:53:02.159
they like rob from her house.
But it's like everything's like discreetly, step

683
00:53:02.239 --> 00:53:07.039
by step. So and she wants
nothing more than to have friends. She

684
00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:12.679
doesn't she didn't have friends before that. She was totally I know. And

685
00:53:13.039 --> 00:53:15.679
so anyway, it culminates, not
culminates, because it's still going on.

686
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:19.320
But what happens with these friends.
They're like always mean to her, like

687
00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:22.360
bullying her with She's like the little
Black Sheep. Both a friend group,

688
00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:29.159
I guess, and they I forgot
what exactly happens that then this girl and

689
00:53:29.239 --> 00:53:32.360
I forgot when the name is already, but she starts she steals the main

690
00:53:32.599 --> 00:53:37.800
gay girl again, it'll makes sense
when you watch it. Anyway, she

691
00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:40.960
steals her phone book because this is
from the nineties, and she starts calling

692
00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:45.199
up everybody in the phone book and
spraying rumors about her. So then the

693
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:51.719
girl gets mad and then she gets
the CNC to jump her, but it

694
00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:54.760
goes too far. They kill her. Yeah, the last episode I just

695
00:53:54.840 --> 00:54:00.159
watched, they find her body.
So, but it's weird. I so

696
00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:05.760
don't know what exactly happens because in
the video footage that they law enforcement has,

697
00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:10.400
it shows so every she's running from
the group of like ten or more

698
00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:15.280
kids and it's girls and boys that
jump her and they're chasing her, and

699
00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:19.280
she goes under a bridge and they
follow her there. Then the group comes

700
00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:22.400
back up and I don't remember how
much more time after she comes back up

701
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:28.400
from the bridge, so she survives
past being jumped. But then when they

702
00:54:28.440 --> 00:54:32.639
find her body, she has severe, severe injuries, and the corners like,

703
00:54:32.679 --> 00:54:36.800
there's no way she could have survived
and walked up the bridge with these

704
00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:40.000
injuries. So something happened to her
still after she's jumped, and I don't

705
00:54:40.039 --> 00:54:44.079
know what yet because I have to
wait for the next episode. And that's

706
00:54:44.119 --> 00:54:47.480
why I try to looking for the
book Wow and the Lily Gladstone. I

707
00:54:47.519 --> 00:54:51.840
don't know if because I've heard of
her, I haven't actually watched. Yes,

708
00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:57.519
Okay, well she's the one of
the officers in the show and she's

709
00:54:57.559 --> 00:55:00.519
amazing. Okay, well I'm sold. I'm gonna watch now, but I'm

710
00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:02.119
going to wait until there's no episode. Yes, I wish I had done

711
00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:07.239
that. I can binge. And
one more thing, I am still reading

712
00:55:07.480 --> 00:55:12.559
Lota, which is my spooky recommendation
from last week, but now I have

713
00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:15.719
a favorite. Another favorite story the
one about the Lobby song. That one

714
00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:20.480
is so good. As you have
been telling me about the book, Cremen,

715
00:55:20.559 --> 00:55:22.039
I'm like, what does what does
this book not have? Because you've

716
00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:28.519
had all of Lobi's songs, all
the legends when this like everything. Yeah,

717
00:55:28.719 --> 00:55:30.320
there was a comment from someone on
Patroon and I also loved the book.

718
00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:34.159
I forgot to tell you. Oh
wow, okay, well things,

719
00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:36.840
Yeah, I gotta read it.
I got to read it. M hmm.

720
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:40.679
That's why I do not Okay,
Yeah, I don't have spooky recommendations

721
00:55:40.719 --> 00:55:46.199
because again, I have only been
watching The Grassy. I fear now that

722
00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:49.800
I'm like obsessively watching it. I'm
like, okay, I think this is

723
00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:52.360
a hyperfixation. I don't even think
like I'm enjoying it as much as I

724
00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:59.480
just figure I need to finish it
now. So yeah, I'm a A

725
00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:02.880
few days ago, I had reached
the part where Jimmy gets shot Jimmy slush

726
00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:07.920
drink. But now I'm like,
in season eight, so Jimmy's class,

727
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:14.039
Drake's class, their seniors. Now, wow, that's what I'm almost done

728
00:56:14.079 --> 00:56:20.000
with high school? Yeah, yeah, because that's all I've been doing in

729
00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:22.480
my free time. I've also been
drowning in a lot of work. So

730
00:56:23.199 --> 00:56:27.880
yeah, the little free time that
I have, sometimes I'll have The Grassy

731
00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:30.239
on while I'm like researching or writing. So I think that's why I've been

732
00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:34.639
able to watch more of it.
Yeah, because when you're doing that,

733
00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:37.239
you want to watch something you've already
seen. Yeah, I don't want to

734
00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:40.360
watch something new that I don't know
what's going on. And somehow, even

735
00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:45.599
though we watched Car Carman and I
watched The Grassy years ago, I've noticed

736
00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:49.559
that the episodes come on and I'm
like, I remember almost everything. So

737
00:56:49.880 --> 00:56:53.039
it's because it was always on.
Yeah, I could write it was always

738
00:56:53.119 --> 00:56:59.840
on Prince, so I remember everything
that happens, same fresh Prince soon.

739
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:02.320
Yeah. So yeah, and it's
fun. I'm still laughing at all the

740
00:57:02.440 --> 00:57:07.280
streaks off it's happening as as I
am, like, wow, I started

741
00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:13.840
watching The Grass again. Honestly,
it's been like one of the best weekends

742
00:57:13.840 --> 00:57:22.000
of my life. Yeah. The
memes have been amazing. The beats from

743
00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:28.039
Kendrick, I mean amazing. I'm
also dying at when he's like, I

744
00:57:28.119 --> 00:57:30.159
hate the way you walk, I
hate the way you look that, I

745
00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:34.039
hate the yeah, I did that
to my running playlist, but I wish

746
00:57:34.119 --> 00:57:38.000
I could just replay that part by
itself. Yeah, all of them,

747
00:57:38.119 --> 00:57:42.840
not like us with the grams.
What is the other one? Six sixteen

748
00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:47.440
in La, sixteen in La.
There's one more that I'm missing from six

749
00:57:47.519 --> 00:57:53.280
sixteen Euphoria? Thank you director?
Was he like a director or producer's like

750
00:57:53.480 --> 00:57:59.039
the of Euphoria, which is like
a show that hyper sexualizes teens, And

751
00:57:59.159 --> 00:58:02.880
he's like, no, I'm like, there's like so much the red question.

752
00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:12.199
Yeah, behavior that is recorded from
him? Did I see two decades?

753
00:58:12.760 --> 00:58:16.639
Yeah, and likes defending this No. Also how like Kendricks didn't even

754
00:58:16.719 --> 00:58:21.840
like name Million Millie Bobby Brown.
And then yeah, Drake comes down.

755
00:58:21.920 --> 00:58:23.800
He's like, yeah, and it's
Millie Bobby Brown. But you know what,

756
00:58:24.920 --> 00:58:29.840
like what he's he's like bringing it
up himself. But yeah, I

757
00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:32.119
saw someone meme it, and it's
like Drake has like miss me, dis

758
00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:35.920
me, diss me, now you
got to kiss me? Like what?

759
00:58:37.719 --> 00:58:39.920
It was so funny because that's literally
the energy he gives off. No,

760
00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:45.280
I I agree, Like I mean, like years ago, I did listen

761
00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:49.599
to Drake and I'm like, I
wouldn't say he's like this like amazing rapper.

762
00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:52.159
I think he just makes like not
pop. It's like Kendrick said,

763
00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:57.480
I like Drake with the melodies,
but now when he's trying to act tough.

764
00:58:58.639 --> 00:59:00.639
Yeah, And I just couldn't never
to take him seriously because of how

765
00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:05.800
much Degrassy I watched. Yeah,
so when you started when his music career

766
00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:07.559
was taking off, I'm like,
like starting from the bottom. Like,

767
00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:09.920
no, sir, you did not
start from the bottom. You don't got

768
00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:14.880
a light like that. I'm a
child actor on the Grassy. You started

769
00:59:14.920 --> 00:59:17.719
from Degrassy. You started from the
Yeah, Degrassy. Now you're here,

770
00:59:19.599 --> 00:59:22.360
and have you've seen some of the
Digrassi storylines? You just can't take Jimmy

771
00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:30.239
seriously. Oh there's literally getting massaged. Yes, I hate that episode.

772
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:35.840
Yeah, yeah, but no,
there's another episode when before he gets shot,

773
00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:38.840
Jimmy and his best friend Spinner,
who is uh a white boy that

774
00:59:38.920 --> 00:59:43.880
I love back then when I was
a teen because we watched the s teens

775
00:59:43.880 --> 00:59:45.880
and yeah, I don't know,
I don't know why I like Spinner looking

776
00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:49.519
back, I like, what was
I thinking? But let me send you

777
00:59:49.559 --> 00:59:52.280
Spinner day. Yeah show, I'm
because she doesn't know what we're talking about.

778
00:59:52.599 --> 00:59:58.840
We'll post I'm lost. Oh you
need to watch The Grassy. That's

779
00:59:59.000 --> 01:00:01.760
we need to have a digress see
marathon? Wait where is it? Where

780
01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:06.280
is it on Max? But it's
also on to be all of it for

781
01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:08.280
free? Okay, I have it
on to be Okay. Oh yeah,

782
01:00:08.320 --> 01:00:12.159
it's on to be and it's on
Max. But kremen, you have my

783
01:00:12.239 --> 01:00:15.639
Max infos Okay, I have Max
Okay, perfect. Yeah, don't don't

784
01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:22.639
plost that up on Max. Even
as a if you're watching it as an

785
01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:25.440
adult for the first time, it's
still like it isn't It's still a fun

786
01:00:25.519 --> 01:00:30.320
watch, like you're like, what
is happening? But there's a part where

787
01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:32.519
Jimmy and Spinner are wrapping together and
they're like, oh, get back in

788
01:00:32.599 --> 01:00:37.800
the kitchen, yo, Like it's
so yeah, like my god, cringch

789
01:00:38.800 --> 01:00:45.320
Yeah, secondhand embarrassment. We're here
here, hairstyles, hold on, that's

790
01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:49.880
so like nineties. Yeah, And
that's why that's why I could never take

791
01:00:49.960 --> 01:00:52.840
Drake seriously because of you know,
The Grassy, And it's just insane to

792
01:00:52.920 --> 01:00:57.599
me that people can take them seriously
as a rapper, Like I think it

793
01:00:57.639 --> 01:01:01.639
has hit them seriously. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, but when he's trying

794
01:01:01.719 --> 01:01:05.239
to start these like rap beafs,
I'm like, I'm sorry, no,

795
01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:09.840
he's Jimmy when he starts trying to
act up like like Kendrick has his whole

796
01:01:10.239 --> 01:01:15.840
like his writing as they study it
in Harvard. So isn't he like a

797
01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:21.039
like like a Pulitzer winner whatever,
right, So I can't pronounce that?

798
01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:24.280
Yes, And for a rap album, do you know how hard that it?

799
01:01:24.440 --> 01:01:28.280
I think he's like probably one of
the only ones. I don't know

800
01:01:28.320 --> 01:01:30.320
if he's the first or one of
the only ones that have it for because

801
01:01:30.599 --> 01:01:36.119
those are given to like writing,
like people who write like you know books

802
01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:38.039
or I think books. I'm pretty
sure books are like yeah, like hit

803
01:01:38.199 --> 01:01:45.159
pieces and articles. Yeah, and
people who compose symphonies. It's pretty much

804
01:01:45.239 --> 01:01:49.480
unheard of for like rap. But
oh my god. I went down the

805
01:01:49.559 --> 01:01:53.000
rabbit hole for like the dissecting of
his dissess and I was like, oh

806
01:01:53.039 --> 01:01:57.360
my god, he's like triple on
top, like this means that and this

807
01:01:57.559 --> 01:02:00.719
end is yeah, oh my god, Like do you know the meme with

808
01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:05.800
the mind blower knows me the entire
time, And it's so funny because like

809
01:02:06.079 --> 01:02:08.480
Drake fans are like oh, like
if people have to look up what you're

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saying, like it's not good and
it's like stop, it makes it more

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fun, like what are you talking
about? Just just that make your illiterate?

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And then that did you see that? Like professor that? Oh my

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god, he's he goes in and
talks about like dissecting Kendrick's lyrics and stuff,

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and then he's like, this is
why you have to have like some

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kind of like, uh, I
don't know what he said, media,

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yeah, media literacy and something else. He said something else. Oh yeah,

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that's analysis. God, if if
I was a Drake fan, I'd

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be so offended right now. I
got to find it and send it to

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you guys. It was. It
was a clip on Twitter and with the

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outfit he has on literally why I
can't take Drake seriously? And if a

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listener's like, what's happening, it's
I showed I sent Carmen and an MJ

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the scene from the Grassy that I'm
talking about where Jimmy and Spinner wrapped together.

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Oh my god, those poes they
do. Oh god, it's so

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cringe. Yeah yeah, okay,
well yeah, I mean let us know

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what side are you on? Tim
Kendrick over here. I think we're wrong

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in this podcast. Yeah we are
team Kendrack. Yes, so yeah,

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I don't know, say a spooky
and okay, watch out for yellow eyes

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behind you. Share the diamonds or
whatever it was that he found. Share

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the silver, the silver, don't
be greedy, share the wealth. Yes,

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say spooky and wkataru next time,
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comfy, it's warm, it has
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that's what I wear in the summers. They're both awesome hats. And there's

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