Legends From Zacatecas and the Chihuahua Ripper

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listen to podcasts. Hi, everyone, this is Christina and this is MJ

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and Carmen and this is another episode
of his Spooky Tells, the podcast for

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all things spoogee, hunted, places, myths, legends, sometimes to crime.

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Like today we're doing both a hunted
no legends, legends, that's what

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we're doing, legends, and a
true crime case that I had not heard

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about that I will be telling the
both of you and our listeners. But

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first we have a oh, I
guess it was legends from Sacatecas. That's

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what it is. That's what we're
doing. Yeah, But first we do

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have a listener's story, which is
Carmen's job now. So if you have

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a story that you want to send
into the podcast, you can email a

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Spooky tales at gmail dot com.
You can DM us on any of our

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socials. You can submit it on
Discord. You can call the Spooky hotline.

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If it's super long, but you
still really want us to hear it

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and for us to share it,
then just message me. We'll work something

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out. We've done it before.
So yeah, those are all the options.

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There's a lot of them. I
mean, if you really like want

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to, you can even write us
a letter because we do have a po

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box address that's in the show notes. How cute would that be? That

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would be insane. I would die, like on the spot, just because

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I would be so excited. Who
does that anymore? Like writes letters?

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I know? I don't, Okay, So yeah, Carmen, do you

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want to read the listener's story?
Okay, let's get into the listener story.

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This is from someone. Oh yeah, sorry, does it not show?

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No, it is, but I
don't know if they want to use

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their name or not. Okay,
yeah, we'll keep him mo anonymous.

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Then yeah, I'll use the nickname
Maddie. Okay. So Maddie says,

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So, I've always been able to
see those who aren't living from the age

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I can remember as early as five. It started when we first moved into

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my childhood home four blocks from a
huge cemetery. Yikes. It was my

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parents and four siblings. I shared
a room with my sister, who's two

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years older than me. But it
started with just seen what looked like a

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tall mill with the very dark aura
who would just watch me sleep outside my

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door. As weeks turn into months, it started to get worse. I'd

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wake up mid sleep and I'd look
over to the door slash hallway area,

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and he would start to creep in. And the closer he got, no,

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the more fear overcame me. As
he got even closer, it would

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seem as he was trying to talk, but all I'd hear was a very

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loud static noise, like when a
TV goes flat like like that, like

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ficks. I don't know I'm doing
it. You don't have to do it,

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You're right, my bad, but
thanks for that effort, thank you,

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but very loud with the high pitched
ring, similar to when someone flatlines,

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and my nose would bleed like a
faucet. Oh my god, Oh

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my god, that's terrible. Yeah, these are not childhood memories that you

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want. No, now, not
your typical five year old memories. I

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started to cry, and my sister
woke up, frantic and confused. She

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carried me to my parents' store,
put me down, and began begging my

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mom to open all while I was
still just hearing this loud as a noise,

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but couldn't see him anymore. I
ended up passing out from the noise.

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And that continued for months, the
constant nose bleeds, seeing him most

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nights, till I finally told my
capitalized Hispanic Catholic mom what I was seeing.

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She then prayed over the whole upstairs
with blessed holy water she had from

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Mexico. Blessed that's the best at
rite best hot water, holy water straight

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from these stores to Mexico, forget
the Vatican, and it was blessed from

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a priest from Klima. She filled
cups with holy water and left them in

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each corner of the upstairs as well, and the cups grew mold and the

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holy water seemed to have disappeared.
Wow, that can't be good. That's

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She then got a priest to bless
our house and it finally stopped. After

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that, I never had any bad
encounters with the lost. Oh, that's

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good because that was horrifying. Yeah, that was scary, you know what

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I feel like. At least it
wasn't like approaching her and trying to talk

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while going like, oh my god, that would have been extra extra creepy.

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Yeah, not that it wasn't creepy
already, but wow. Well,

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if you want to go first,
okay, yeah, I'll go first.

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So this first legend is not like
spooky, but it's it's cute. Okay,

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okay, okay, I love a
cute legend. I think it's cute.

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I never heard of it. And
it's in Sacatecas, in the city

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of Sacatecas, and it's called Legenda
de la More. Oh, it sounds

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cute, a ria, it sounds
like it's going to be cute as fuck.

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It's so cute. This love story
takes place in Miguel Ausas Square.

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The year was eighteen sixty, a
few years after the Mexican American War.

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There used to be a man by
the name of Juan, and he was

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a water carrier. I had a
Google list, and water carriers were people

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who would collect water from a water
source like a well and carry it to

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people's homes. Lit a water carrier, yeah, literally, literally, so

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he had no money to his name. He was poor. Juan, however,

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was in love with Aralia, a
wealthy young woman, and due to

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his economic status, he would work
day and night amor yes ze Ala Selenado

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or Ala Juan Gabrielle nothing. Every
day he would work in the mine in

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hopes of finding a vein of silver
to impress Alia. After many failed attempts,

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he was not discouraged, but instead
became a water carrier. With his

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companion, a donkey. He began
selling water definition of if he wanted to,

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he would, oh, my god, and I love it. I

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love it, and we love a
donkey, and we do. I try

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to do the donkey I can.
Oh my god, they're so unserious,

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I know. So Juan and his
burrito went house to house selling water until

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they finally came up to Miguel Alsa
Square. In the square, Alia had

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planted a small garden and a tree, so Juan would go to the square

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after work and water the garden and
the tree. Legend has it that this

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tree was either an Alia paper rifer
tree or a coralberry tree plant. I

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don't know, this is what they
said. I googled it and I was

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like is it a plant? Is
it a tree? I don't know.

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It grows really tall, that's all
I know. He would spend every afternoon

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there and he was appreciated by the
community. But most importantly, she didn't

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care about economic status or social status, so Juan and her became great friends.

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He would go home the happiest man
in the world, feeling like the

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luckiest man in Zacatecas because he had
Aralia's friendship. He would go home and

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recite the cheesiest poetry to his donkey, to the donkey, Oh my god,

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he was practicing. Yeah, he
was practicing. He couldn't he couldn't

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tell her, but he would like, look at donkey, donkey, donkey,

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This is the pry I am.
I mean, who hasn't held their

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animal hostage? Right? Like?
They have no other option than to be

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there for you, exactly, and
they have to listen. It reminds me

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of the TikTok or instagrams like and
is like I was the donkey with with

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his cheesy ass. And as time
passed, their friendship bloomed and they became

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closer. At this time, however, the French invasion had started. The

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French Yeah, and the French invasion
brought a stranger to town. Philip I

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was trying to say in the Spanish, I can't pronounce whatever it's French.

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Even even though he was part of
the enemy's army, he had won the

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hearts of the town folk. He
was a heart throb. The girls in

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town loved. He was described as
being humble and kind to everyone. After

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he met Olia, his connection to
the towns people became even stronger. Felippe

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fell in love with her, and
he confessed his love to her as well

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as told her he wanted to spend
the rest of his life with her.

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Fucking Philip, I don't like this
coming in here and ruining shit. He

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is colonizing Mexico Andia's heart m Araalia
was really moved by the gesture, and

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she had also started to develop feelings
for Philippe. Juan started noticing what was

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happening, and when he arrived at
the square, he noticed that they were

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only focused on each other. Alia
and Phelippe acted as if no one else

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existed. Ouralia was in love at
this point with both Felippe and Juan,

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two very different men, but both
just as equal and kind. She didn't

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know what to do, so she
went to the church and prayed to the

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saints to help her make a decision. She, however, started crying uncontry

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rollably. She was distraught. She
didn't want to make the choice, but

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she had to. She had to
not only break her heart to some degree,

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but also had to break the heart
of one of the people she cared

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for. She ran out of the
church and went to her garden, and

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there she sat under the tree that
she had planted, the tree that Juan

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had watered daily. She began to
once again cry uncontrollably, and at that

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moment, the branches of the tree
moved and water droplets fell from the tree

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onto her lap. The tree began
to cry. Those tears turned into a

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beautiful bouquet, and she knew then
and there who she had to pick.

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Who else was watering her lawn.
I feel like it has to be Kuan.

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But I'm like, I'm tiam Quan
already. I know it from the

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beginning, any care who was going
to come into the picture. I was

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like, tiam Quana, is pick
the Kuan? The only one for you?

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It was very unproblematic, not oh
my god, finish the story.

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Sorry, go on, go on, We'll shut up. That afternoon,

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Juan was in the mines once again
trying to find a vein of silver.

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When luck would have it, he
successfully found one. Excited about the meaning

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of this, he rushed down to
the square prepared with his speech, ready

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to ask Araya for her hand in
marriage. When he arrived, he saw

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Araya. They locked eyes. He
walks towards her, ready to ask her

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to marry him, but to his
surprise, she didn't give him a chance

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to say anything. She kissed him. He was so surprised he forgot the

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speech and proposal. Soon after,
the two were married, and the legend

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says that those who are committed to
their relationship should go to the square and

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profess their love for each other under
the tree. However, sadly the tree

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has since been cut down, but
it's still a tradition for lovers to go

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to the square. Oh okay,
that was the cutest thing ever. I

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loved this story. Yes it was. It was heartfelt and I was like,

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that's so cute. I mean it
had everything. A donkey, a

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dunkey, sorry, a donkey,
friends to lovers, love triangle, a

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magic tree, slow burn, a
little bit colonization perilysm the French, but

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like, really, what did this
story not have? Perfection out of ten

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highly recommend It was such a cute
legend. I was like, oh my

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god, if I lived in that
town, I would totally like do that?

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Is it like gross cute? Yes? But I am down for that.

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I love the cheese. Yeah,
it's the cheesiness of it and that

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we got from the French. So
this next story is called the Black Monolith

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of Death. Sounds scary put insert
some done done so during the colonial During

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colonial Mexico, two friends, Missael
Galan and Hildrado Igino, began exploring what

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is now the mountains of Sacatekas,
and there were rumors that the mountains held

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riches that could make them money.
Months passed exploring Sacatecas. On one day

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they found a cave that had a
shiny black cube. They didn't know what

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it was, however, they assumed
it was of great value. They had

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no idea who could have carved the
stone in a way that it had straight

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edges. They dug it up from
the ground and began hauling it back into

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town. Their plan was to break
off pieces of the cube and sell it

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off News of their findings spread and
the town prepared to receive them with a

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celebration. However, the days began
to pass and there was no news of

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them. The town began to worry
for them and sent a searge party.

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They were found at the entrance of
the cave with signs of being attacked with

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a knife. Had they killed each
other? Were they attacked, and if

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they were attacked, why did the
attacker leave a black monolith. The townspeople

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loaded the bodies and the cube and
hauled it into town. Days after the

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funeral, a merchant in town took
in the stone. He killed his wife,

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then killed himself. The neighbors didn't
understand what could have happened to cause

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the merchant to do this murder suicide. It was behavior that was uncharacteristic of

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the merchants. The townspeople noticed that
there was a common denominator in both incidents,

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the black cube monoliths. One of
the merchants neighbors believed that the cube

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was cursed by a shaman as revenge
for the Spanish taking their lands. Another

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one thought that the cube came from
the devil. The people decided they needed

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to get rid of the monolith.
A group of villagers volunteered to return the

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cube. After many days, they
did not return, so another search party

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was sent to look for the volunteers. They were worried that the cube caused

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more death. Their fears were confirmed. The party was found dead in similar

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conditions as the previous two incidents.
They needed to get rid of this stone.

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It was causing deaths. They didn't
know what to do, so they

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sought out the local priest, who
blessed it. They moved the cube to

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a secret location. The location is
unknown, but legend says that it was

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placed in the walls of the Sacatecas
Cathedral. There was supposed to be a

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bell that rings if people get too
close to where the monolith is. Oh

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to one like, so they don't
like move it and it doesn't cause death

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again. Yeah, because they thought
it was like cursed or like the devil

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himself like made it. I don't
know. That was all cut off.

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I was like, what, okay, Yeah, my network is struggling over

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here, guys. Oh no,
okay, we'll just announce in case MJ

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so I will be telling both of
you about the Chihua wa. Oh

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my god, it's so hard to
go from English top I was gonna say.

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I was gonna say the chiwawad ripper
that reap it. Okay, So

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the Chihuahua Ripper is what I was
trying to say. Content warning for a

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rape include that of a minor.
And this is a serial killer case from

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Mexico. So you know, if
you don't want to hear to crime,

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just skip my part completely. That's
fine. Go to the end where we

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will have spooky recommendations and yeah,
so we'll just get into it. Lorenzo

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Ernesto Olivas moved from Delicias, Chihuahua
to the capital, Chihuahua City in northern

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Mexico. He was twenty one.
He had started working at a meat processing

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facility. He moved with some family
in Cologna Vista Mossa, and they this

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was close to his job, which
is why he moved in with them.

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His hometown was like an hour away. You know. He was just a

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twenty one year old living in this
neighborhood, making friends with like everyone there,

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working doing normal twenty one year old
things. So there was one night,

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November thirteenth of that same year,
which did I even write down the

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year? Okay? I was like, I remember you saying it. I

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didn't, that's why. So yeah, the fifteen was a year. So

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on that night he told his family
that he was just going to go out

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and get some food. And it
was already pretty late on Friday. But

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it's not weird because, like if
you've been to a big city in Mexico,

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you can find a food vendor at
any time. Like I remember ten

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pm, We're like, all right, let's go get tacos. Let's go

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some takitos. Yeah, yeah,
mamosillos Takitos l Cuebes. It was like

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ten pm, Yeah, ten pm, and like literally we walked like lessoned

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ten blocks away. Yeah, it
was like a eight minute walk at most.

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And yeah, there was and it
was a full line. So it's

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not weird, Like you can't do
that here. You can go to a

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fast food place, but you can't
find food vendors at that hour, like

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in a random street in a normal
city, and like where I'm from at

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least. Yeah, So he just
told them he was going to go get

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something to eat, and they didn't. They were like, all right,

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that's fine, it's not weird or
anything. And then he didn't come back

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that night. But again, it
was Friday, it was the weekend.

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He was twenty one, so his
family they still didn't think it was a

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big deal. They were like,
well, maybe he went and meant the

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weekend with some friends, or maybe
he even drove back to his hometown because

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it was again only an hour away, so they didn't get anything of it.

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But then Monday came around and he
was still not back, and so

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this is when they were worried because
it wasn't like him. It wasn't like

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him to miss work, to be
gone the whole weekend and not come back.

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So this is when they reported him
missing. Now this is November sixteenth.

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Now, sadly after they reported him
missing and police began his search.

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The next day, on the seventeenth, he was found in pieces. Oh

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no, yeah, dismembered. So
part of his remains were found in a

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ravine close to the family home in
that same neighborhood, and this launched the

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official homicide investigation because obviously you don't
get cut up into pieces if it's not

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a homicide. So because they began
searching now in the same area, not

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far from this ravine, there was
an abandoned house and in that house,

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it's on Gayes Novena isaavel. So
on that house they found his torso and

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his head and then went straight over
the street behind that one they found the

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rest of his remains stuffed in a
tire. Yeah, horrible. And next

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to that tire there was the front
half of a try like a kid's tricycle.

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Oh my god, I thought,
say a kid's body part. I

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mean, all of this is just
getting worse and worse, like every every

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sentence you speak gets worse. Yeah, every second that went on, it

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was like, oh my god.
Yeah, so yeah, it was disturbing

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and strange at the same time.
Both Other than that tricycle, there was

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no other clues that could lead them
to the killer. They were just confused

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and they wouldn't know what happened to
Lorenzo, why he was there, who

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the killer was. They wouldn't.
This has takenother several months and more victims

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for them to finally piece together what
happened. So one month after Lorenzo was

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discovered, on December thirteenth, there
was another dismembered body in the same ravine,

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the same place, and this was
Danielle Alfonso Rodriguez, who was twenty

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two and from the same neighborhood.
Like Danielle and Lorenzo, they probably knew

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each other. They were probably friends
one and twenty two, same neighborhood.

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So Danielle he was found in the
same ravine. His feet were cut off

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at the knees and wrapped in a
sheet. The rest of the body was

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stuffed in a truck tire just a
few inches away. His skull had been

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crushed with the blunt object, and
as if that was not enough, he

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had also been shot twice in the
head and then there was the back half

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of that tricycle that was in Lorenzo's
crime scene, that was at Danielle's crime

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scene. Oh that's weird. Yeah, it's it's disturbing. So this time

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there was more things left behind the
crime scene by the killer. So they

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found things that were covered in blood. There was pieces of sheets and rags,

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rubber gloves, a wheelbarrow, a
green hack saw, a pair of

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black shoes, the thing I already
mentioned, the second half of the broken

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tricycle, and in id and the
idea of course, had a name and

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a picture. It belonged to Andres
ulisas Castillo bi ya Real. Because of

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the way that Danieg's body was found
and where it was found, they immediately

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figured that this was the same person
that had killed Lorenzo. So now they

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had a name for both victims.
And so a little bit about andres ulisas

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castillobi ya Real. He was born
in nineteen eighty. You know this neighborhood,

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this is where he had lived all
of his life, and this was

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a very dangerous, impoverished neighborhood.
He was a construction worker, but he

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was also really like in two drugs
and he himself you know, in living

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in poverty as well. And he
was also a small time drug dealer.

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He was known to be an angry
person. He had been cut off from

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most of his family for that reason, for like having you know, violent

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outbursts, angry outbursts. So now
that police knew who he was, they

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could find him, but he had
apparently got on the run, so they

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could not find him even though they
finally had his identity, and they were

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kind of like at a dead end
with this until a miner came forward.

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And this miner really filled in a
lot of them missing information how Danielle and

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Lorenzo, what they had to do
with each other, Andres like he filled

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in the blanks for them. So
this miner came forward. He also led

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them to a third victim, and
this third victim was also dismembered. His

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name was Fernandez vas Gandaria. He
was found in what was Andres's house and

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pieces again. And so this last
discovery and the miner coming forward, it

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did eventually leave them to andress this
capture, but not due to like good

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police work, it never is.
What actually happened is that Andreas he was

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still like working his normal job,
living his normal life, but like moving

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from house to house, still within
the same neighborhood. He hadn't even gone

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far. So he was at work
and his boss caught him at work trying

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to sell drugs to other employees,
and so the boss called the police.

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The police picked him up, ran
his fingerprints, and they matched the crime

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scene, the second crime scene,
So that's why they connected the killings.

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Otherwise they didn't know that this person
they had just arrested for selling drugs was

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the same person who had done this. Yeah, he was arrested, Brian

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to custody, and now there was
a complete clear picture of what had happened,

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which is what we're going to go
through next. And this is all

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terrible. This is even worse,
So to skip this if you want not

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YouTube though. But so other night
of November thirteenth, when Lorenzo left his

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house, he visited a restaurant bar
not far from his house. It was

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called California, and it's a very
small and crowded place, but it's like

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a deep place to be for Friday
night. It's always crowded. He met

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Andres there and they had a few
drinks. Andrea suggested that they go to

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his house and do drugs, and
Lorenzo agreed, I mean he's twenty one,

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you know, I mean yeah,
drugs alcohol like yeah, So they

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walked a couple blocks back to Andressa's
place, where they had methamphetamines. They

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continued to drink. After a few
minutes, for some unknown reason, they

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started to argue, and then Andres
suddenly grabs a hammer and just started hitting

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Lorenzo in the head until Lorenzo passed
out. He then proceeded to again,

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content warning, he proceeded to rape
Lorenzo. When he was done, he

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grabbed the hammer again and he pounded
Lorenzo's head until like it was completely crushed.

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Then he dragged Lorenzo's body to the
shower, where he dismembered it with

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a hacksaw. It sounds like he's
like experienced in this already, right,

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like he knew what to do,
right, Like who knows what to Yeah?

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Well, first of all, like
why does he have all these things?

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Why does he have a hacksaw?
Well, he works in consumption.

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I was just gonna that was my
second question. Well, his job was

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in I don't know, this is
just wild, that's insane. Yeah,

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After he dismembered Lorenzo. Andres put
on a new shirt and pants, and

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he went next door and he knocked
and knocked and knocked until the door was

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opened. And by now it was
midnight. I mean the neighbor he probably

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knew, Andres I don't know.
He just opened the door and Andres asks

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this neighbor to come help him with
something. He doesn't tell him what,

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And the neighbor agreed. And the
neighbor is the miner who went forward to

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the boss. That is the neighbor. And he remains anonymous throughout all of

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this because he was a miner at
the time. Yeah, so his name

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was never released or anything. So
he agreed, but obviously he's very confused,

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he's very scared. He's like,
what do you want? It's past

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midnight. Yeah. So when they
got to Wan Dress's house, he told

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the miner like, hey, I
have something for you to see in the

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bathroom. Yeah, and he showed
him. You're like this, what a

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fucking what a creepyst thing to say? Yeah, like like show and tell,

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but discussing and horrifying. So he
went and showed him. Lordenzo's dismembered

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remains. Oh, poor kid.
Oh my god. Yeah, and I'm

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I don't know his exact age,
but I'm i'm assuming teenager, m but

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like traumatizing, so traumatizing. Yeah. So the boy tried to run away,

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but Andres threatened him like, if
you don't help me, then you're

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gonna be next. I've killed before. I'm a pro, I'm a serial

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killer. Like that's what he told
him. I believe it that was not

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his first victim. I did too. So they took the torso on the

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head. They put it in a
suitcase and then onto a wheelbarrow, which

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they then took to the ravine and
then you know, stuffed it into an

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old tire. Then they put the
tire next to some bushes and then somehow

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I don't know if this tricycle was
already there, like in this ravine,

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dumped or whatever, but Andres grabbed
it and put it next to the tire.

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When they were back in Andresa's house, Andreas was like, oh,

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I have another idea, and then
he threatened the boy and told him that

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they were going to have sex unless
he wanted to die. I knew it.

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I knew you were going to say
that. Oh my god. Yeah,

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Like where else would this go with
this depraved ass piece of shit?

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Has this kid not been traumatized enough, victimized enough? And still he does

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this like oh my god, yeah
for real? And he told the miner

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like, Lorenzo, I killed him
because he refused to have sex with me.

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So if you don't do this,
and you're going to be next.

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So then when he was done,
then he told the miner that they were

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now inseparable and he betrayed him,
he would kill him literally again, more

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threats, and he repeated to him
like I'm a serikiller. I kill for

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joy, and I'm good at it. I do a clean job at it.

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Then he forced the miner to clean
the floor and the walls while he

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burned Lorenzo's ID cards and buried the
rest of the body parts in the backyard.

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And then he painted the hacksaw that
he had used to dismember him green

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because he was trying to cover any
paint or any blood that was left behind.

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Then he packed up his things and
left the rental home. But then

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I guess he didn't have like anywhere
to go, because then he came back

404
00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:45.200
and threatened the boy again to like
find him somewhere to stay because he needed

405
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:48.000
somewhere to stay. So the boy
took him to one of his friends,

406
00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:53.200
Hesu's Bias, and Andres asked if
he could stay for a couple of days,

407
00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:57.279
and Hesus agreed, Oh my god. And he had no idea what

408
00:30:57.559 --> 00:31:03.519
was in store what he was let
into his house, so he took him

409
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:08.440
in. Hesus Bayez lived with his
brother Fernando. And this is all one

410
00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:14.920
block away from where he killed Lorenzo. Yeah, this is all went straight

411
00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:18.359
away, like went straight over.
And so Hesus Vayez lived with his brother

412
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:23.400
Fernando because Hissu's had suffered a bad
accident a couple of years back, so

413
00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:29.559
he lost both of his legs and
Fernando happily supported him financially, helped his

414
00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:33.319
brother. This was no like even
though it was hard for them to get

415
00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:36.519
by, he was there for his
brother. He didn't resent his brother for

416
00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:37.880
it. He was like, I'm
just I'm here to help. And they

417
00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:44.960
lived together. So during the early
hours of December twelfth, Issu's, Fernando,

418
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:49.680
Andres, and Danielle, they were
all drinking at the house. Danielle

419
00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:55.359
and Andres started to argue and they
in fight, and we know you know,

420
00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:57.839
from the rest of what we've been
through here, Andres is violent as

421
00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:05.359
fuck. So he grabbed a rock
and he smashed Daniette's head in repeatedly,

422
00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:07.519
like until he killed them in front
of everyone. Yeah, in front of

423
00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:15.680
everyone. Oh wow, and Andres
he threatened to kill everyone who remained there,

424
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:19.000
so the miner and the two brothers
if they said anything. But the

425
00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:22.079
next day, Fernando he was like, no, this is super fucked up,

426
00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:27.160
we need to say something. He
confronted Andres, and he asked him

427
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:30.480
to leave their house, like he
didn't want him there anymore, understandably,

428
00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:34.799
so he just murdered someone in their
house and their friend. Yeah. This

429
00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:38.039
however, made Andres very angry.
He went and grabbed a hammer and attacked

430
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:43.119
Fernando repeatedly in the head and the
same thing, same thing as everyone else,

431
00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:47.759
until he died. And then he
served his body into a cooler under

432
00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:52.119
some floor tiles, and then he
covered the area with cement and placed a

433
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:57.039
drawer on top of it. And
this is again in front of that other

434
00:32:57.119 --> 00:33:00.920
miner who he had already abused.
His sus wasn't home for this. We

435
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:04.440
don't know where he went, but
he was gone he came back to the

436
00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:07.200
house and he started asking like,
well, where's my brother. And Andres

437
00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:09.880
told him that he left, he
abandoned him. He didn't want to take

438
00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:14.160
care of anymore. He would never
do that, Yeah, he would,

439
00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:17.440
he would not. But Andres or
sorry Hissus believed Andres for some reason.

440
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:22.039
But I mean, I would imagine
he's maybe already in a vulnerable spot,

441
00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:24.920
thinking like, my brother doesn't want
what to be taken care of me,

442
00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:29.200
So like maybe maybe it wasn't hard
for him to believe. But no,

443
00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:34.519
I mean, Andres had killed him, and Andres had murdered Fernando in front

444
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:37.359
of that same miner. After this
happened, it's when the miner went to

445
00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:40.960
the police, and so, you
know, told them everything that happened,

446
00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:45.440
and this information came to light and
so, and you know, eventually a

447
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:51.960
leading to Andres's arrest. When Andres
was in custody, police learned that these

448
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:55.440
three were not his only crimes.
He had a long history of inviting men

449
00:33:55.519 --> 00:34:00.519
to drink to drugs with him,
and then he would be them until they

450
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:06.079
were unconscious and then he would rape
them. But at some point it was

451
00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:10.320
like he hit them too far until
they were dead, and so that's when

452
00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:14.960
he started killing. So it was
the person before Lorenz. So he was

453
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:16.599
going to do the normal thing he
always did, bring them back to his

454
00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:22.360
house to drugs rape them, but
instead he killed this person who remains anonymous

455
00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:25.000
to this day. His name is
not released. And so that was not

456
00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:30.239
his only victim. He was experienced
with dismembering with the hacks. Ang like

457
00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:35.760
he knew what he was doing,
and he would leave their body parts in

458
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:39.519
abandoned houses or empty lots in that
same neighborhood. Half the time, he

459
00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:44.159
didn't even bother burying them. He
just left them there. Wow. And

460
00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:49.280
apparently he always left some kind of
toy or car or like that tricycle at

461
00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:52.239
the scene. That's weird. It's
yeah, it's very disturbing. He later

462
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:57.599
told police that he did it because
he was violated as a child and that's

463
00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:00.719
why he left toys behind. It
just sounds like some bullshit he made made

464
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:06.599
it. Yeah. Yeah, So
Andres was eventually linked to twelve bodies.

465
00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:09.800
They just like matched them. He
didn't admit like he was guilty of all

466
00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:14.599
of these, but they matched the
exact mom of the three that you know

467
00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:17.559
were for sure him they had toys
around them. They were dismembered. So

468
00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:22.639
October tewod two thousand nine, Jose
Manuel Chavira Olivas. He was found with

469
00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:29.679
the bash skull and then his legs
were dismembered. Three years after that,

470
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:35.880
April third, twenty twelve, Gustavo
Adrian Saldanas. He was found dismembered.

471
00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:40.480
Two years after that, two more
bodies were found that are unidentified but the

472
00:35:40.519 --> 00:35:47.400
same mom May eighth, twenty fifteen
Gillermo Juarez Portigo. His body was found

473
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:52.360
with a blunt force trauma to the
head and again dismembered. August third,

474
00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:58.800
twenty fifteen, Gabriel Garcia et Nandez. His body was found in the same

475
00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:02.559
situation as the the rest of them. August seventh, twenty fifteen, Miguel

476
00:36:02.599 --> 00:36:09.559
Angel Castillo. He was found again
same mo. Then on September sixth fifteen,

477
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:15.440
Jose Urias Ernandez. He was found
under some rocks in a warehouse.

478
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:22.239
And then after that then we have
Lorenzo Ernesto Olivas, Danielle Fonso Rodriguez,

479
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:29.920
and Fernando Bayes. And Andres was
tried and found guilty for there are three

480
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:32.679
murders because there was enough evidence to
link back to Andres. Plus he had

481
00:36:32.679 --> 00:36:37.760
confessed to the three and there was
a witness, the boy, and so

482
00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:42.559
yeah, he was found guilty.
He's serving a one hundred twenty year sentence

483
00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:52.239
and this came to be known as
El this guert Sador Squirti, the Squertis

484
00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:57.199
de Chijuawa or the Chijuawa Rapper in
English. Well, that was awful.

485
00:36:57.800 --> 00:37:00.920
That was terrible. You know what
this reminds me of? There might be

486
00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:02.039
a delay. By the way,
guys, Sorry, did you guys hear

487
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:07.519
the case that just came out where
I think this guy had the bodies of

488
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:10.000
six women in his apartment in Mexico. I don't know if it was in

489
00:37:10.039 --> 00:37:15.719
Mexico, but I just remember that
he had like six women women's bodies in

490
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:19.320
his apartment, and he went to
the neighbor's house, who was a miner.

491
00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:22.039
He raped her, then killed her, and he walked out of the

492
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:28.400
apartment. And the mom she was
coming home and saw this guy coming out

493
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:35.039
of her apartment, and you know, she's like, what the fuck are

494
00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:37.320
you doing there? Like my daughter's
like, you know there, and then

495
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:42.280
he ends up slashing the mom's throat. The mom survives, She calls the

496
00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:46.599
police or whatever, and you know, sadly the daughter didn't survive, but

497
00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:52.039
the mom did and they go into
this guy's apartment and it's like bodies of

498
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:57.320
women. Wow. I didn't hear
about it. It was a teenager that

499
00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:00.639
he killed, right, and then
sliced the mother. I just saw that

500
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:01.840
like this week, and I was
like, that is horrible. But it

501
00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:07.159
goes back to the thing where like
men who hate women and disgusting. I

502
00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:10.880
don't remember where it was because I
just remember hearing it like a TikTok about

503
00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:15.440
it, but they didn't say Mexico
or anything. Mexico City, his Ulisa's

504
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:20.039
lada. Oh wow, I just
found it his name and yeah, six

505
00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:24.679
remains including schools, found in his
apartment in Mexico City. Mm hmm.

506
00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:30.960
It's horrible. Wow. But I
want to know how like people didn't question

507
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:34.400
the smell. I'm telling you,
if there was a dead body in on

508
00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:37.079
Crater where we used to live in
Modesto, I wouldn't have known. I

509
00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:42.239
wouldn't have smelled bad. Yeah.
I don't know, like areas where there's

510
00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:46.639
like sewage, but I feel like
sewage smells different than a rotten corpse because

511
00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:52.000
rotten corpse has a very distance.
I mean I never smell the running corps.

512
00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:55.519
I just know like they have bad
I had a oh my god,

513
00:38:55.800 --> 00:38:59.760
what is that? The thing's exploratorium. I don't know if you guys ever

514
00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:02.039
want there, but it's in San
Francisco. It's like that science museum.

515
00:39:02.199 --> 00:39:07.360
I've been there, but I don't. They have this rotting rat corpse there,

516
00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:10.719
like so you can smell what what
the smell of rot smells like.

517
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:15.000
It is very distinct, like you
you know, so you would know,

518
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:20.840
you would know like it is.
It is to me worse than sewage almost.

519
00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:27.400
I think it's it's a very distinct
smell and it smells like have you

520
00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:30.639
like okay, like this is gonna
sound terrible. And I'm and also as

521
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:36.280
someone who worked in the veterinary field, you know when when something is meat

522
00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:43.760
and it's rotting, it has a
very distinct smell because it because like it's

523
00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:46.559
immediate gag. Like it's like immediate
throw up. Like sewage you can kind

524
00:39:46.559 --> 00:39:51.239
of be like, oh the smells, but with rotting meat, it's like

525
00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:54.400
immediate vomiting. It smells so bad, you know what I think it could

526
00:39:54.440 --> 00:40:00.679
be since these were like impoverished areas
that were like dangerous are rad there's probably

527
00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:04.559
like a culture of not reporting anything
to the authorities and to the police,

528
00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:07.679
and so probably like neighbors among themselves
like what the fuck is that smell?

529
00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:13.880
But they didn't like report it to
anyone kinda Yeah, you know what this

530
00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:17.880
reminded me of was actually Jeffrey Dahmer. Yeah, that's what I was gonna

531
00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:23.480
say. You know, where people
smell things. Yeah, but they were

532
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:28.440
like, because for me, if
I smell meat, it's immedia throw up.

533
00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:31.400
When you smell rotted meat, Oh
my god, it smells it's it's

534
00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:35.079
a punch to the sensus. No, it probably goes back to what Carmen

535
00:40:35.199 --> 00:40:37.920
was saying, where they maybe they
smelled it. But also I know for

536
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:40.679
the one, not the apartment guy, but this guy that we just covered,

537
00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:45.000
it was abandoned places, so there
was already not people walking through there

538
00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:47.280
and see that what I understand,
because you'd be like, oh, it's

539
00:40:47.320 --> 00:40:51.440
a rotting like it's a dead cat
or a dead dog or some shit.

540
00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:53.440
But like, right, if you
smelled it, if you live in an

541
00:40:53.440 --> 00:40:57.679
apartment and you smelled that, oh
I'd be I'd be so pissed. I'm

542
00:40:57.679 --> 00:41:00.480
like, how are you gonna make
the entire apartment complex like shit worse than

543
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:04.960
shit? Yeah? Yeah, no, that's true. I mean I feel

544
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:07.760
like maybe somehow it was confined to
his apartment or he I know, I

545
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:13.159
did read some of them were like
down to bones. So what he did

546
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:16.159
maybe like he had him somewhere,
let him raw and then and brought him

547
00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:22.679
Yeah exactly. Yeah, you never
know with these depraved as people or like

548
00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:27.039
some kind of fridge type stuff.
I don't know, but yeah, yeah,

549
00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:31.039
because in California, there's another case
in San Diego. A marine of

550
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:35.960
course, know how to say that. No, it was a sailor.

551
00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:38.559
It was a navy, shady guy, so my bad. Yeah, I

552
00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:44.480
take it back, Marines. I'm
sorry a little bit. So I joke.

553
00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:45.960
I joke. I was in the
army, So that's okay. Anyway,

554
00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:50.480
before anyone leaves me like a one
star review for Hidden on Marines.

555
00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:57.880
But no, this guy had killed
his wife and he put her in a

556
00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:01.320
freezer for two years and there was
no smell with that. Well yeah,

557
00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:06.360
because it's in the freezer. Yeah. And then and then he was just

558
00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:10.880
gonna move and he like threw her
into a body of water where she washed

559
00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:16.760
up obviously, and that's how more
investigating by her name was Elizabeth Rix.

560
00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:21.880
I want to say, there's actually
an episode of true Scary Story where someone

561
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:25.159
lived in that same neighborhood and they
said it was haunted and they were see

562
00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:29.639
things and they think and they didn't
even know that that was like the actual

563
00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:32.039
case. They just heard about it
from living there. So if anyone wants

564
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:36.000
to check that out a true scare
story, it's like the Thing at the

565
00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:38.360
Stairs or something. That's the name
of the episode. Very creepy though,

566
00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:42.719
but yeah, like sometimes you just
don't know and like who these people around

567
00:42:42.760 --> 00:42:46.320
you are either so very I don't
know. Like there's two stories. Sorry,

568
00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:52.440
there's that story of that high ranking
officer I think here in California that

569
00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:57.519
was caught being a pedophile. Did
you see that, the one vaguely a

570
00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:02.280
California officer that was military. The
officer is no, no, no,

571
00:43:02.119 --> 00:43:06.159
no no no. He was in
the he's a high ranking military actually not

572
00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:13.760
officer official, and he was caught
trying to in in in a sting operation,

573
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:16.199
trying to uh meet up with this
mom. I don't think the mom

574
00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:22.440
ever existed, but the he contacted
this quote unquote mom probably like an agent

575
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:27.320
pretending to be a mom and was
trying to get like by her children.

576
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:34.000
And the video was circulating where the
the the what is it called the camp

577
00:43:34.119 --> 00:43:37.119
the camera that they have the police
officers have. My brain went blank,

578
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:40.360
bodycare the body camp where they catch
him. He takes out a gun and

579
00:43:40.360 --> 00:43:45.079
he starts shooting at the officers and
then the officers just completely just unload on

580
00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:50.159
him. But he was a high
ranking official. And then they go in

581
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:55.079
like this whole like scrutiny of the
United States military and the men who do

582
00:43:55.840 --> 00:44:00.199
well, Okay, we have a
whole episode on oh yeah women in the

583
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:06.079
military. So yeah, I mean
like so with like children obviously, because

584
00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:13.400
like women obviously if women are victims
children and then which was disgusting but not

585
00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:16.079
to be sound like a total psycho, but the video was satisfying because I

586
00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:22.119
hate people who I hate. I
hate, Like there's like this thing like

587
00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:27.360
I will never ever not hate a
child Abezier, like ever, like they

588
00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:30.760
get they're like the only people that
I think deserve all the hate in the

589
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:34.880
world. Maybe some other ones,
but mostly them because like children. But

590
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:37.320
anyways, there's that one and then
there's the other story where the father there

591
00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:45.000
was this guy and his family were
going on vacation and during I think that,

592
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:47.320
you know how you put the luggage
in the X ray, they found

593
00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:52.599
bullets and it was enough bullets for
his whole family, and he got arrested.

594
00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:55.000
Oh, and they're like asking to
bring him back because he was arrested

595
00:44:55.039 --> 00:45:01.480
in another country, Like you dumb, he was gonna kill you. Yeah.

596
00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:05.079
Yeah, they made it sound like
it was like a tiny like one

597
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:08.880
one bullet m when they reported these
headlines and like this country, you can't

598
00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:14.440
even you can't even wear camouflage clothing
because it's illegal. Yeah, but but

599
00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:19.000
it's like you really think that they
magically appeared in a suitcase like that and

600
00:45:19.239 --> 00:45:22.719
also happened to be the number of
bullets he would need for his entire family,

601
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:28.119
Like come on, be real,
very suspicious. Yeah, And they're

602
00:45:28.119 --> 00:45:30.800
trying to compare it to the basketball
player who was arrest detained in Russia.

603
00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:37.960
I'm like doing, she had drugs, not weapons, bullets, And it's

604
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:42.360
like she's ingesting it into herself.
She was not gonna hurt, Like there's

605
00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:45.559
there's nothing that she had on her
that would have hurt somebody else. She

606
00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:49.320
was not gonna murder her whole family
exactly. And then like the wife was

607
00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:52.760
all crying, like girl, they
just these people just saved your life,

608
00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:57.360
Like be so serious you were gonna
die, like he was gonna kill and

609
00:45:57.400 --> 00:46:00.039
your children, Like are you stupid? It was like what would I say

610
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:05.440
with people like are you stupid?
Or are you dumb? Well, maybe

611
00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:10.119
there's a history of control and violence
there. True, and we know that

612
00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:20.679
domestic violence is very complex and it
takes woman victims people, you know,

613
00:46:21.199 --> 00:46:27.679
several attempts and not only attempts,
but it takes them time years sometimes to

614
00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:31.840
realize that you know, there's you
know, being abused and controlled. So

615
00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:36.840
that's a good point, Karen,
always being the voice of reason. You

616
00:46:36.920 --> 00:46:43.960
do what I can whenever we're being
complete psychos. He's facing like six years

617
00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:47.880
in jail. I think a lot
and not but I think that the mom

618
00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:52.159
should really like maybe this will be
like an eye opening experience. Maybe she'll

619
00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:59.039
have some time, you know now
that her maybe allegedly now that her brain

620
00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:04.920
has time to to reconfigure, you
know, you know, like when you

621
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:09.280
when you're in survival mode, you
don't notice like things right like you know,

622
00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:13.840
as they say, your lid is
flipped. Yeah, hopefully she'll notice,

623
00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:19.360
like I guess maybe like how calm
it is and she's not always anxious,

624
00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:22.679
and that'll be on it because because
yes, it could be a coincidence,

625
00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:28.360
but the percentage of that I think
is really low. I think he

626
00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:32.519
was planning on hurting his family.
That's my opinion. Yeah, like it

627
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:38.079
makes sense, like it wouldn't be
shocking at all, It wouldn't surprise anyone.

628
00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:42.159
Yeah no, yeah, not at
all. Okay, we're gonna take

629
00:47:42.159 --> 00:47:47.480
a quick at break. Okay,
well we have reached the end of our

630
00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:52.679
episode. Do either of you have
any speaky recommendation. I think there's a

631
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:57.719
new season of Paranormal Cotton Camera.
I'm not entirely sure, but it's either

632
00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:00.960
already out or gonna come out.
Yeah, either one. Because I remember

633
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:02.159
a listener messaged me and I was
like, oh, MJ will be so

634
00:48:02.199 --> 00:48:06.920
excited for this. Yeah, I'm
gonna I'm gonna like go check that out.

635
00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:12.079
Like once we're done, I'm gonna
clean and watch, well cook and

636
00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:15.800
watch paranormal co on camera. Nice, I have one. I have it

637
00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:21.440
right here. Oh yeah, I
forgot. We bought that. Yeah,

638
00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:22.639
oh, you bought it too.
I keep forgetting you also bought it.

639
00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:30.079
Yeah, well, a book with
short stories, and there's a short story

640
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:36.280
for each Lotteria like character. So
that means there's fifty four short stories in

641
00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:43.000
this book Loteria by Cynthia. And
I don't I don't really, I don't

642
00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:45.920
read short stories that much, but
I like them like anthology. Yeah,

643
00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:50.400
yeah, I don't like dislike them. I just don't often reach for them.

644
00:48:50.440 --> 00:48:54.000
But I do have like a few
other short story like books in my

645
00:48:54.639 --> 00:49:00.639
collection. Yeah, I didn't think
of the word. And yeah, so

646
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:05.920
I mean I've only I'm in chapter
eleven, which I mean, it's not

647
00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:09.199
really chapters, because right, they're
all separate. You're in. Yeah,

648
00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:16.519
I'm in the eleventh story of this
skyscraper book now. And anyway, the

649
00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:25.440
second short story is based on the
character. But it's about doing this and

650
00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:29.480
it is so scary, I feel
like so far, and that is like

651
00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:36.599
the most one dude. If you
yeah, it'll terrify you. I have

652
00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:39.920
no strong feelings about doing this,
and now I strongly dislike them and afraid

653
00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:44.559
of them. I've been telling y'all, they're fucking creepy. They scare the

654
00:49:44.599 --> 00:49:47.800
ship out of me, like I
can't even watch a picture without freaking out,

655
00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:52.079
Like no, yeah, well this
story would like yeah, it was

656
00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:54.360
scary. Also send us you're doing
this story is so we can have another

657
00:49:54.400 --> 00:50:00.000
one the episode and scare me or
don't know or don't I do actually do

658
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:04.280
so. Yeah, I recommend this
book, Okay, I can't wait to

659
00:50:04.280 --> 00:50:07.800
read it. I do not have
any spooky recommendations because I have had no

660
00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:10.679
free time and when I do,
because I should be doing other things,

661
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:15.719
but I'm putting them off. I've
been playing Starry Valley and I started putting

662
00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:17.800
de Grossi in the background. Oh
my god. I've been seeing a lot

663
00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:22.079
of digressing content lately for whatever reason, and it keeps popping up on my

664
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:24.760
TikTok. So I was like,
okay, fine, I'll rewatch the Grassy.

665
00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:30.239
Don't force me it just it reminds
me of how much I love Manny.

666
00:50:31.480 --> 00:50:36.599
She was my favorite person ever in
the show, and it didn't matter

667
00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:42.320
what she did. I am a
Manny apologist just like. It's because I

668
00:50:42.320 --> 00:50:44.760
thought she was a Latina for the
long time, so I was like,

669
00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:51.199
my Latina queen, she's a Latina
adjacent. Did you watch the grassy I

670
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:55.840
did not. Okay, so no
idea, but if you see Manny you'll

671
00:50:55.880 --> 00:50:59.840
be like, yes, yeah,
if you see Manny you would agree.

672
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:02.800
Yeah. Also, I hated it. God, what Emma is her name?

673
00:51:04.400 --> 00:51:07.239
Emma is a bitch, right,
Emma's the fucking word Page. No,

674
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:09.800
actually, Liberty grew on me.
Yeah, No, Page is fine.

675
00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:14.199
She was the one with Craig for
the longest time, and then with

676
00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:20.360
Drake after Jimmy Ashley. Jimmy Ashley. I didn't like it. Yeah,

677
00:51:20.360 --> 00:51:23.199
she was fucking annoying. Okay,
okay, And then I was gonna say

678
00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:27.920
one more thing. There's a movie
I've been wanting to watch called Where Evil

679
00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:30.320
Lurks. It's on Hulu now,
so I will probably check that out.

680
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:35.480
And that might be my sweaky recommendation. Other than that, our book Club

681
00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:38.960
episode right now is the scienda,
So you know, read that so that

682
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:43.280
you can be ready for whenever we
finish it, which might be a while,

683
00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:45.719
you never know. That's why it's
the Speak Tells book Club for busy

684
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:51.199
people. And yeah, others than
not, I think those are the only

685
00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:54.039
updates, all right. In that
case, I don't know, take the

686
00:51:54.119 --> 00:51:58.760
level of your life over to that
cute little plaza. I was gonna say

687
00:51:58.760 --> 00:52:04.440
the same thing. I love it, and yeah, stay a spooky We'll

688
00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:10.039
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689
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690
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