Legends From Aguascalientes and Jesus Ociel Baena

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Hi everyone. This is Christina and
this is MJ. And this is a

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Spooky Tells, the podcast for all
things spooky and true crime. Sorry you

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might hear my children in the background. Today, there is no Carmen.

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She is packing at the last minute
for some trip she has and so yeah,

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she has no time to record.
Oh, this is the first episode

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where you're doing Iguascalientes, yes,
yeah, or not the first episode where

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you're doing Mexican States. That's what
I meant to say. Yes, you

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kind of covered already sacatecas So and
Haliscope, but yesterday's I Was Calientes Part

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one? Yes, part one because
there's a lot of legends apparently, yes,

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yes, And I'm going to be
covering a true crime case from I

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Was Calientes. It's very recent,
so there's like not a lot of information

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on it. So yeah. Before
all that, a listener story And if

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through there every day. That's very
exciting. Thank you so much. What

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else you can call it a spooky
hotline. There is still like three messages

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on there that I have to play. I just never have my phone when

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i'm recording because I give it to
my children so they can leave me alone

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like a great parent. We all
do it. Yeah, you know it's

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fine and two days story here it
goes. Hi, ladies, love the

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podcast. You do such a great
job. It's like sitting around a bonfire

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having drinks with your friends while sharing
scary stories. And thank you. That

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was the vibe. We want it
right, yes, okay. So my

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story starts with a phone call about
fifteen years ago. I was on the

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phone with my dad telling him about
a new job I just got. We

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live in different states. I was
in my apartment and he was in the

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house he was renting. As we
are, all of a sudden, this

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deep, slow, raspy voice comes
on the line and says my name,

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Gabriela. I tried to use that
voice. Oh A shudder ran through my

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body and I threw the phone on
the bed. Even now I get chills.

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I thought, what the fuck was
that. My heart was racing.

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Let me say that my family never
calls me by my full name. They

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always call me Gabby. Only strangers
use my full name. As I stared

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on the phone, I started to
wonder if my dad had a heart attack

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and that's why his voice sounded weird. But I knew that was not my

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dad. I slowly picked up the
phone and called out for my dad.

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He was still on the line and
asked me if I had heard that.

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Oh no, he heard it too. Ooh, oh God, this is

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worse. I told him yes.
He then proceeded to tell me how the

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house where he was living was haunted. He worked graveyard at the time.

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His wife would leave during the day
to go to work, so he would

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be alone in the house. He
told me he would turn off lights in

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his bedroom and close the curtains so
he would get some sleep. The lights

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were turned back on, making it
impossible for him to get any rest.

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Objects would move, and you could
hear noises throughout the house. Unfortunately,

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he was stuck in a one year
lease and could not afford to break it.

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Even worse, his wife refused to
believe him and said that she never

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experienced anything weird. Oh, this
is like the other way around. All

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the horror movies is always the guys
like everything's fine. Everything's fine until until

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they see their child like levitating in
the bed and they're like, like,

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oh shit, they were just jumping. They would probably find an excuse to

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that. It's not that serious.
Five monkeys in the bed, that's what

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was happening. However, family friends
stayed with my dad and they told me

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they felt weird energy in the house. They saw faces in the patterns of

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the tile in the kitchen. Ooh, I don't like that. No,

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that's disgusting. This was without my
dad saying anything to them because he didn't

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want to scare them. Okay,
So like they haven't talked to each other

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about this, So that's worse because
then, like there's no influencing each other's

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stories either. Mm hmmm. Why
is there always freaking faces in the tiles?

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Right? Faces places that they shouldn't
be exactly every single time. It

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wasn't until after they were back home
that they called my dad and asked him

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if there was anything weird going on
in the house. Then they exchanged stories

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about their experiences and they encouraged my
dad to get out as soon as he

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could. As soon as his lease
was up. He moved. To this

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day, he avoids the area to
this day, he avoids the area where

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the house is located. He is
currently very happy in his new home and

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has not experienced any other paranormal activities. That's good. Yeah, that's great.

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Good for him. Not good for
the next tenants though, No,

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no, not at all. That's
my spooky story with a happy ending,

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stay a spooky love it. Yes, love the happy end. No more

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hauntings. That's always good. That's
what we want, right mm hmm.

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But like you said, yeah,
I feel bad for the next tenants,

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the next tenants and then the next
tenants. Yeah, everyone else, everybody

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else warn people like, hey,
don't rent that house. Oh. I

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would one hundred percent tell people like, uh, like I've I've lived like

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pretty much by myself, like not
about myself, but all my own since

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I was seventeen, And I would
tell like if I didn't like the place,

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I'd be like, mmmm, the
property owners or like assholes, don't

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do it. I like I'm trying
to save like people from like bad property

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owners landlords and and and not just
what is it? What is when they're

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not landlords but they're a property management
company? Oh yeah, yeah that's and

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that's important works, So save them
from that and from hauntings like oh that

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landowner sucks and I span so don't
go there. Yeah no. And then

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like the the apartment I currently live
in, there's been two deaths in the

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past three years. Oh god,
yeah, not good. And one of

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them was not too long ago.
And it's like my neighbor across the not

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across the way, but like I
guess it's kind of across the way.

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I guess both of them were across
the way. Both deaths. Why so

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close to you? I don't know, but like both the deaths that are

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like in my apartment are like very
close to me. Like they're not neighbors

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across the way, because my apartment
complex is like weird layout, but it's

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like they're the back to their apartment
is facing my window, if that makes

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sense. Oh too close either way. I don't like it. I don't

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like it. How many people moved
in and the death that happened like three

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years ago. Yes, there's lieutenants
and there's like new tenants every year.

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Okay, okay, they haven't said
anything or you don't talk to them.

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I don't know if that one spooky
I have not heard. I don't talk

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to my neighbors. So I don't
know. Yeah, I was gonna say,

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it doesn't sound like something you would
do. So the turn around rate

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to I, Yeah, that's not
a good sign. So I know,

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I don't know. I don't know. Okay, Well, should we start

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with the aust Glentes legends. Yes, do you want to go first?

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Or no? You go first?
I said, let's throw Aguascalientes legends.

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Oh that's true, that's true.
Okay. So this first story is called

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El Camion de la alto Pista.
A bus was traveling down a road in

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the middle of the night when out
of nowhere, a truck appeared in front

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of it, going the opposite direction
of traffic. The truck was driving without

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its flights on, didn't give the
bus driver enough time to react and move

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out of the way. The two
vehicles collided, killing the passengers on the

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bus. This accident has then led
to the legend that if you find yourself

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on this highway which they don't specify
which highway that's not good, in the

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middle of the night around one am, you will see the apparitions of people

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walking around, disoriented and lost.
Locals who live near the area say that

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they have seen the bus. Sometimes
you're even able to board it. Oh

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no, why would you want to? I don't know. The bus will

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never reach the terminal, and if
you board the bus, you must go

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to the place of the accident,
because if you don't, you will never

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be seen again. Wow. Yeah, it doesn't say I tried looking up.

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But this is a legend that's really
common in a West Galiana. It

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doesn't say which highway that's that's not
good. What does it say what bus

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numbers? No, it doesn't say
anything. And then and the thing is

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like, uh, there's like those
crazy ass highways in Mexico that are like

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freakin' bonkers. Have you seen that
one where it changes lane lanes in Mexico?

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No? And I'm like, dude, I would I would die like

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that. What do you mean,
like changes lanes? Like how? Oh

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my god? Like, okay,
so you start on off on the right

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lane, and like, obviously there's
on the left lane. I guess left

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lane, but it's divided by the
yellow line. But then because of the

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way it curves, there comes a
point in time when you have to switch.

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Yes, and you have to switch
so you don't veer off the mountain.

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Oh my God that the speech you're
going. So not only is it

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dangerous going down, that's why you
have to switch I guess lanes and go,

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you know, so you don't like
the momentum of the car doesn't like

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fling you off around. But on
top of that, like if you have

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another car coming your way and you
both have to like switch lanes, O

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God and I have to find it. But I hope this makes sense like

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when I'm explaining it, because it's
really hard because it's just like you start

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on off the right, but then
you have to go to the left,

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and then the car coming directly,
you know, on the other the other

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side of traffic starts off on the
left and then has to switch over to

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the right lane. Like it's just
where and where is this? It's in

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Mexico and I can't remember where.
I feel like what are the listeners would

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tell us, like I'm gonna look
it up. But there's so many like

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highways where it's crazy in Mexico because
it is like very like some places are

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really mountainous, yes, yeah,
and with lack of funds and everything,

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and you have yourself a accident prone, well that's why there's there's so many

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places called blah blah blah la and
all these gurbas. Yeah, because it's

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like really mountainous terrains. And then
they don't have funds to make a safe

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highway, Like where are they gonna
get some money? The people, you

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know, oftentimes are very poor,
and unfortunately in history, a lot of

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the politicians would just steal money misuse
the funds. Yeah, I would die

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if I encountered this highway, which
is why I was like, where is

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it? I am glad I'm epileptic, Like I can't drive. You're a

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passenger princess for life, and that's
good. Yes, I'm a passenger princess

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with life. Oh it's funny to
make that a sticker with a little purple

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ribbon for epilepsy. But yeah,
there's a similar legend in Portoaiyarta. And

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I believe the bus is like number
forty, So this bus has a number,

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but like supposedly the bus there was
a big crash or an accident in

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like the nineteen eighties or something like
that on this bus, and like everyone

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died. But now the bus is
seen at night and then if you like

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accidentally board the bus and you're on
it, it'll be like normal. And

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then suddenly like everyone looks dead,
like all of a sudden inside the bus.

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No, and then the driver turns
and looks at you, and the

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driver's like, you need to get
out of the bus. Don't look behind

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you. You need to get out
and keep going. If you look behind

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you as you're getting off the bus, you're gonna join us. See.

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The good thing is, I'm like
one of those people that are like,

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do not like social interactions. And
when I go anywhere, you're not gonna

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look behind. I'm not gonna look
behind. I barely even look forward,

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okay behind, listen, I look
down as I'm walking. Now, I'm

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just kidding. I look at my
phone. Okay, I'm looking at my

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phone. I'm not like your phone
zombie. The only time that being a

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phone zombie will save your life.
Seriously, this next story, if you,

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if you have the notes, pop
them up, because this does have

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a picture, it will make sense. I'm looking at them right now,

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at the pictures. Okay. And
I don't know why, I don't understand

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the context, so okay, okay. So this next story is called Cerro

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del Morto and Croto is a mountain
complex in the Sierra de Laurel in the

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municipality of Hezu's Maria, and it's
located two four hundred and forty meters above

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sea level. It has a very
peculiar shape. It looks like a person

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laying down and the mountain peaks make
the nose, mouth, feet, and

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body. Oh oh. And in
the image where it's bright and the mountains

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are dark, I can see it. Sorry, you can't hear my child?

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Yeah, yeah, and okay,
So this is this mountain has a

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legend. According to legend, a
long ago, the Chichi mechas the Chalcas

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and then now what luckaus that was
hard word lived together and among them there

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were these three tall and imposing priests. Each indigenous group had or you know,

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had a priest that represented them like
as a as a cult, as

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a tribe. One day, one
of these priests went into a hot spring,

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and when he jumped into the pool, he disappeared. Those who had

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joined the priests to the pool were
in a panic and blamed the Chalcas.

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War broke out between the tribes.
During the war, the priest appeared during

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one of the battles trying to stop
the war. However, he was hit

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by an arrow through the heart as
he was trying to escape. His blood

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painted the earth as he collapsed.
His body buried the Chichi mechas and created

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the mountain range, and the caves
in the mountain are said to be his

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entrails. What is entrails? Guts? Thank you, thank you, which

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would kind of makes sense, like
like what an artistic way of thinking that

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the caves and stuff. Yeah,
and so he is the mountain. He

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is the one laying down. Yeah, he became the mountain. I love

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stories where something became mountains. They're
so fun to listen to. There's and

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there's so many like you have that
with the A and eats the I never

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remember the full name of the other
mountains. I think I want to say,

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I like that it's something like that, but it's as much easier to

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say and I'm sorry, yes,
but I can see, like like in

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that in that picture where it's like
sunset, that really does look like a

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nose. No, that straight up
looks like a nose. The rest of

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it, I'm like, I guess
someone could make all those There's too many

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bumps for the rest of the body
for me, but the nose is very

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like, Yeah, that's a nose. And then on the bottom one you

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can see like the the like obviously
where the where the nose is on the

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the first picture, but like the
feet where it kind of curves down kind

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of looks like almost looks like a
like a like a what is it called

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the amntha? Yes, that is
covered and draped over the body except for

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the head. That's what it looks
like to me. Yes, I don't

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that's I love the artistic way that
they thought of this, and that the

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whole cave system was the entrails,
was like, oh my god, like

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I never would have thought of that, but like, yes, I see

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it. Yeah, because it's like
a system of connecting tubs like our makes

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sense. Maybe that's the capillaries.
But hopefully there's no well you know what

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I mean. Yeah, yeah,
there's no way to go that way where

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I went through the booby hole,
I was like, don't say it,

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but but then I didn't say anything, So moving on. I can't take

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shit seriously. Okay, This next
story is called El Paso the Aguascallientes and

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Beso oh okay said, oh no, the Kiss of Aguascalientes And this this

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story is a story of a legendary
kiss that changed Mexico forever. Well,

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that does sound legendary. Hm.
On May first, eighteen thirty five,

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then President Antonio Lopeze Santana and three
thousand men traveled to Seconcas to stop a

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rebellion by Sacateca's governor Francisco Garcia Salinas. That night, he spent it in

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Aguascalients at the home of Luisa Fernandez
de Garcia Rojas and her husband Pedro Garcia

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Rojas. At the time, Ajuasclentus
was part of Sacatecas. Okay, I

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was wondering. I was like,
what does the governor of Sacatecas have to

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do with this if they're in at
wesclientus what I see? Yes, yes,

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and the locals wanted to separate from
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were excited for the visit of Santana, and Luisa and her husband would talk

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about the struggles and the need for
independence. They told Santana about the lack

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of schools, jobs, and how
the Sacateca's government kept part of the money

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that belonged to Ajuascalentus. During that
dinner, a servant went to don Pedro

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with a matter that needed to be
urgently addressed. Don Pedro left Luisa and

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Santana, and Luisa continued to talk
about, well, you know, the

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freedom of Alascallientis and everything that they
you know, the locals wanted, stating

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to the president that people would go
to the point of sacrifice to obtain it.

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Sometime. I, hearing this,
grabbed Louisa's hands and asked, really

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until the sacrifice, Lisa replied,
reassuring her point. Taken by her beauty

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and words, he gave her a
long, spontaneous kiss. Oh no,

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while her husband was out of the
house. Uh uh yeah, and I'm

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like day one of meeting. Wow, wow, she was waiting. She

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would have done that with anyone this
Luisa an. Yeah, yeah, she

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was what was it called, like
that one show Desperate Housewives or whatever.

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Yes, she was a desperate housewife. They stopped only when they heard the

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footsteps of zon Pedro. When he
entered the room, Louisa excitedly said to

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him, I was Gallientees is free. On May twenty third, eighteen thirty

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five, the Decree for the Freedom
of a was Galliente was issued. Don

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Pedro Garcia Rojas was appointed the first
governor of the state. Oh, the

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kiss has been immortalized in a mural
in the governor's palace in Auascalientes and as

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well as the state's coat of arms. So if I posted pictures in the

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in my notes, and if you
see it, there's a chain and lips

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on the coat of arms. Yeah, and then the bottom is the mural

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on the governor's palace. And I
was Galientis and you could see Santana and

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Lisa giving him a kiss. Wow. Okay, well she did it for

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the state, So yeah, I'm
okay with the honestly, go Luisa.

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Her husband was too. That's how
he became governor. Yeah, so everyone

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was okay with this. This is
good, This is good. It's a

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legendary kiss. Yeah. Yeah.
So this next story, our legend is

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called Diablo, and this story takes
place in the seventeenth century in auas garient

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This. At the time there lived
a marquise of Bualla Lupe, and he

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was described as a strong man with
strong character, wealthy but noble, and

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kind to his workers, treated them
with respect honestly, really really. Because

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the marquise owned a lot of land, he had other people manage it for

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him. One of those people was
recent this and resend This was known as

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a very agile, hard working man
who knew his stuff. He worked hard,

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but he also played hard. He
was a party animal. Okay.

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He was a womanizer and heavy drinker
not okay, but also on brand entertainers

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and women fought over him because he
was a good tipper. Okay, that's

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good. Yeah, yeah, that's
good. At least he's not stingy.

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He had money. The people didn't
understand where his money came from, and

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rumors began that he had sold his
soul to the devil. Of course,

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always the pact, according to legend, was coming to an end on December

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twenty fourth, eighteen seventy, when
the devil would come back and collect his

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soul. When the devil came to
collect dressing this his soul, he asked

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for an extension, as he had
to build a fence for the marquise.

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The devil agreed, then made a
bet. Was this okay? I love

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when the devil makes a bet,
and he loves making bets. He's like,

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well, i'll bet you this,
and then he loses. He's like

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tricked. Yeah, all the time, every single time, and every and

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every story. Yes, you think
you'd know by now, Yeah, he

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said, what is it called the
what is it called something? For punishment?

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Oh? Yeah, for punishment.
He's like George Bush and he's like

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for me once, shame on,
you pull me twice, me pull me

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three times? Like it? And
I don't know? Okay. So the

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devil agreed then made a bet with
such ascend this that the devil would build

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the fence, not a but in
the devil to work way, it gets

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better. However, this had to
make a rooster crow before he finished.

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So he had to make the rooster
crow before he finished building the fence.

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And if he achieved this, sid
this could keep the fence and his soul

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would also be free. What kind
of deal is this? I have no

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idea. Make better deals please,
mm hmmm. It was bored. Apparently,

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However, the devil began to move
at lightning speed, and this was

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then in a rush to find a
crow, and just a crow, a

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rooster to make crow, to make
a crow, And just before the last

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stone was placed on the fence,
this managed to find a rooster, so

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he plucked one of its feathers and
made a crow. The devil lost the

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bet. Just send this got his
tradom and the fence never had its last

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stove placed. It said that the
fence is somewhere in Auascarantas and it's still

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missing that one stone. Wow,
okay, he barely won that bed though,

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Like, wow, you know you
could have make a bet like that

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today because you would not find a
rooster unless you're in specific places. But

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like where I'm at, no one
has roosters. Like I used to have

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roosters then I moved to apartments.
Yeah, I was gonna say, I

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remember, like I hear them,
but I'm like, where are they?

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I don't know, so, but
I would lose that bit I couldn't find

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one. Oh no, like back
then, like you, everybody had a

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rooster. They had to. Yeah, it reminds me of It reminds me

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of the episode of This Fool when
he, uh, the guy has the

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rooster and like the whole block is
like super angry about the rooster. In

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season two. Oh yeah, they
do wake you up at the butt crack

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of dog. It is. It
is annoy. But I had that when

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I was in high school and I
was like, oh, all right,

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bet I could use this alarm clock. You would have won that bed then

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yeah, okay, well, I
guess we will take a short outbreak here

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we're back. And yes, this
is going to be depressing. So some

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people might have already come across this
on TikTok. I think you and I

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and I am J both saw this
already when it happens. Yes, I

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saw it on Twitter. Twitter.
It was like a whole spread of LGBTQ

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plus community members who have been attacked. And I think it was in like

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like a span of a year or
less. Wow. Okay, but it

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was a lot. And I only
remember two of them's this person and another

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one. I feel like there was
a whole list there probably was, Yeah,

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and I guess I should say,
but today we are talking about Jesus

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ol Baena Souseo. But before I
get into the well into it because of

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what happened to them, I'm just
going to share this little thing here.

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Okay. So the Trance Lifeline designed
for trance or gender nonconforming people is eight

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seven seven five six five eight eight
six zero. This lifeline provides resources to

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help not only with suicide but also
domestic violence situations. And then also there

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is the Trevor Project lifeline. Okay, so here's the number if you want

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to call. This one is one
eight four eight eight eight seven three a

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six. But then, like MJ
just said, you can also text it,

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so you can text, all right, how do I click on the

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text? It says text the same
number. No, it says text start

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s T A R T all capital
to six seven eight six seven eight.

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Okay, thank you, because I
did not have that one down. And

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then you could also go to the
Trevor Project dot org. And you don't

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have the text or call, you
could chat with someone through the website,

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just in case for those who are
in a very controlling situation where they're partner

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or family member, because it's not
always partners. It could be abusive parents,

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grandparents, et cetera. Or they
monitor your your texts and calls.

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You could go straight to those and
like online activity yeah, uh huh,

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and like to like yeah, like
if you have like a Google Chrome or

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or you know, other like web
browsers, sometimes you can go incognito,

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yes, yeah. And then on
this website specifically, you press escape and

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it'll close the whole thing. Yes, so all good things to know,

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okay. So hesus O Salsetto was
a Mexican activist for LGBTQ plus rights in

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Mexico, and they made history in
twenty twenty two when they became the first

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non binary magistrate in Latin American history. All of Latin America. Oh my

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god, my child, all of
Latin America. Okay, But like their

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their outfits always slayed, yes,
and I do mention that later, but

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oh my god, I was like
screen shouting it, and I was like,

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yeah, they were always in the
best outfits, a skur, the

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cutest shoes ever, beautiful, like
and they're not cod but like, oh

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the makeup spot on, I can't
do that. I wish I could.

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Everything amazing about them. I gave
up on makeup long time ago. But

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were I still do it? Okay
because I know, But like I started

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getting like a weird skin reactions,
I know, and I was like hmm,

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and then I let my skin breathe
and then I was like I did

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an Alicia Keys. Oh okay,
yeah, that's how I am most of

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the time. But once when we
record, I do put on like what's

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it called concealer and blush and my
eyebrows. And then I wish I had

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time to put eyelashes on because I
mscare is never good enough, but I

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it takes too long for me.
I don't know how to put them on

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properly, and I can't get them
done because I rubbed my eyes too much.

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Oh yeah, and then like,
I'm scared of getting my eyelashes done

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because I've seen pictures and I'm like, hmmm, fear activated. Yeah no

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this some of them are like if
you don't take care of them, they

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do get really crusty. Yes,
yes, and infected. M h.

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I'm like, no, I'm not
gambling with my eyeballs. That's too important.

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Yeah. I was like, I
I have severe stigmatism. Sorry my

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child again anyway, moving on,
I don't know what's that saying. Yeah,

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they were always slain with they're clothing. Oh and for those that don't

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know, magistrate is a superior judge. It's the highest ranking state judge in

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Mexico. They are right below the
Supreme Court justice. So a big deal,

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very big deal. And they were
the first nine non binary magistrate in

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all of Latin America. So Jzusola
Sado was born in Saltio, Grwila,

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where they earned a bachelor's and master's
degree in law from the University of Gruila.

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Then they worked as a lecturer of
electoral Law, legislative process and public

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management at the University for Professional Development. They moved to aguascalient This in twenty

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00:30:49.720 --> 00:30:57.920
twelve, where they completed a doctorate
in electoral law at the University of Durango.

405
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:04.119
So super educated, just amazing.
They went on to work as an

406
00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:10.200
electoral secretary at the National Electoral Institute
and then as a professor of electoral law

407
00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:15.960
at the University of Aguascalientes and qual
Demo University. During their life and work,

408
00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:19.839
they advocated for the LGBTQ plus community. They promoted the use of gender

409
00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:29.559
inclusive language and urged Mexican authorities to
issue voting and identifying documents like IDs that

410
00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:33.799
reflected the gender identity of the holder. So like to allow like if a

411
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:38.200
person is non binary, let that
say that on the ID. That's that's

412
00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:41.759
what they were promoting. That is
awesome. I have a question, though,

413
00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:48.079
I do have a question. What
are the non binary terms in Mexico

414
00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:51.759
or in Latin America. So I
don't know how to say them. I

415
00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:55.720
guess the term that the equal term
to say them, like, yeah,

416
00:31:55.759 --> 00:32:00.000
so instead of saying aya or aos
as ayah, put an e in there,

417
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:07.079
amigas amige. I had no idea. Some people will say prettimes like

418
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:12.359
my mes Oh I love that,
yeah so, or you know, prettymius.

419
00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:15.240
But I like pimes for like,
you know, little cousins. If

420
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:19.200
you're not you know, saying a
specific gender. Yeah, just the e

421
00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:22.559
really and uh, I mean this
has been in use for so long,

422
00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:28.359
so before anyone comes yelling at us, know, there's gonna be someone.

423
00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:34.279
There's always someone and that's why the
term latina makes so much sense. But

424
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:39.079
yeah, I mean if you were
in the LGBTQ plus spaces in Mexico or

425
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:44.480
other places. Uh, the e
has been used to replace those like to

426
00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:47.519
make a gender neutral for ages now
for such a long time. So yeah,

427
00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:52.240
that's what it is. I've been
using the n like just instead of

428
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:59.799
latina latina Latin. Oh. I
don't like that because it makes me just

429
00:32:59.799 --> 00:33:04.640
make me think of like Latin.
You think of like Italians for some reason.

430
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:08.119
But I'm like, yeah, or
you know, like the Latin language

431
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:10.680
that is not. I don't.
I don't know. I don't like it.

432
00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:14.400
I've never liked it for that reason
because it just it doesn't. It's

433
00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:17.559
the language. Yeah, because of
like I don't know pig Latin and all

434
00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:21.480
these you know, Latin, it's
already something. It's already a word.

435
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:24.480
So like I and I never cared. Obviously, I'm not gonna like say,

436
00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:27.119
oh, you can't see this word, like, I'm never gonna be

437
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:30.119
one of those people. But to
me, like Latin X made sense,

438
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:32.039
and so the Latina. But Latin
is one that I just never like.

439
00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:35.720
I'm like, I'm not going to
use that one. I use it because

440
00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:39.880
it's like it's Latin America is like
the term. That's true. But if

441
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:44.119
if I was saying if there was
a group of Latinos and someone said,

442
00:33:44.119 --> 00:33:47.240
oh, there's Latins over there,
I'm like, oh, it just doesn't.

443
00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:51.640
I don't. It's weird. But
I'm also, you know, I'm

444
00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:53.039
part of the community, so I
feel like I could say it. Of

445
00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:57.640
course, you can say what you
want, but not you palm colored people

446
00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:02.039
color or paper white paper colored.
Oh no, that's like the same white

447
00:34:02.119 --> 00:34:09.039
never mind, forget any of that. Any white colored paper like what oh

448
00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:15.599
my god season and I'm just kidding. And again just to say like there's

449
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:20.920
always all these people online like oh, latinnix was invented by a white person

450
00:34:21.559 --> 00:34:24.280
and so and so, but like
you know, you can't like tie down

451
00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:28.800
the word to a specific place in
history. Some people say it's Puerto Rico.

452
00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:32.400
And also I also feel like that's
a little bit I heard it was

453
00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:37.239
a little bit racist, because that's
to assume that our people aren't educated and

454
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:40.719
weren't in these these places to make
words, which is true, which you

455
00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:44.679
know, there was like this whole
issue with LATINX and I and I can

456
00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:49.440
see both sides, but it's also
like a little bit, I guess,

457
00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:52.360
in a way like races, to
assume that our people aren't educated enough to

458
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:57.599
be in these spaces where these words
do come up. No, it's to

459
00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:01.480
assume that there's no queer people in
Latin America, and there has always been,

460
00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:07.400
and they've always had language to express
themselves in a non gendered way.

461
00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:12.039
And so if you look at old
protests from the seventies, you can find

462
00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:17.239
the word X replacing mucherees in the
e. You can rEFInd. Yeah,

463
00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:23.280
so it's it's always been a thing. Did anyone actually say Latin X Like,

464
00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:28.440
no, that's not how it was
pronounced. So but to say,

465
00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:30.599
oh, it's a white people word, it's it's not. And people have

466
00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:38.800
always changed language to include themselves fit
the yes exactly, and so you these

467
00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:43.639
words have always been like you know, it's like we've been saying they weren't

468
00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:46.760
made up here, and so I
just people get more mad about that word

469
00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:51.119
instead of like the actual issues affecting
Latin America. And it's like, are

470
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:53.599
you gonna get mad about this word
when you don't even care and this is

471
00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:59.559
the only thing you care about.
So yeah, anyway, but yeah,

472
00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:00.679
no, I'm glad you ask because
yeah, probably a lot of people that

473
00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:06.199
don't know how to say they them
in Spanish. Yeah I didn't. I

474
00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:08.920
I've only seen like like this was
like years ago, which is it's crazy,

475
00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:13.920
like I said, I put the
B in LGBTQ, but I don't.

476
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:20.280
I'm not in I'm in like LGBTQ
spaces in the States. But everybody

477
00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:22.719
here kind of speaks English, right, so it's like, you know,

478
00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:31.159
the English terms. It's harder outside
of English speaking communities because I'm not I

479
00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:37.199
can speak Spanish but I'm not like, let's have a scientific debate, speak

480
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:43.199
Spanish and be like, oh no
women wettal. I don't know. It

481
00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:45.960
was like what is it called?
Like a like the thing when you go

482
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:50.679
to Mexico and and your cousin goes
on a on a like grant or something,

483
00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:52.280
and it's like something in forensic.
I'm like, what is what does

484
00:36:52.320 --> 00:37:00.719
that mean? What means? Yeah? So yeah, No, it's good

485
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:02.840
that you asked. I don't know
where I came across the word. And

486
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:07.239
that's how I've heard. And some
people might have their own way. I've

487
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:12.920
seen the X in Muhares and like
the X place. Yeah, but I've

488
00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:17.239
I don't think i've seen the EM. Yeah, I've more heard it than

489
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:20.800
seeing it. But some people,
I mean, and some people might have

490
00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:22.519
their own way of doing it.
So, and that's the beauty about it.

491
00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:25.280
You can change it to fit your
needs, like you said, so,

492
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:30.800
yeah, and it's important, it's
important to include others. So when

493
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:36.000
Hazusociel became the first non binary magistrate
in Latin America, they told CNN and

494
00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:39.480
Espanol the following, I want to
send the message that LGBTQ population, that

495
00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:45.400
the LGBTQ population can access these spaces
that there is a possibility that we have

496
00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:50.719
people with enough of a profile that
with their own merits can access these spaces

497
00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:53.360
where decisions are made. So like
saying like, hey, we can do

498
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:58.039
it too, there's room for us
here. And they they made that room.

499
00:37:58.159 --> 00:38:02.320
They did, and they did finished
making history there. On May seventeen,

500
00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:07.079
twenty twenty three, they also made
history by becoming the first Mexican citizen

501
00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:13.480
to receive a gender neutral passport.
Oh nice right, Only sixteen countries offer

502
00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:17.360
this. So when they were sworn
in as a magistrate, there was a

503
00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:22.840
rainbow flag next to them, and
I'll post pictures of this. And so

504
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:27.280
they they did all of this work
in a very fashionable manner, always in

505
00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:31.039
a skirt, heels and a cute
top, always smiling, always friendly.

506
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:36.199
But unfortunately, because of who they
were and what they represented, they received

507
00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:42.639
many hate messages and Hessu Soosiet he
was determined to continue their work, but

508
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:47.159
unfortunately that did they got cut too
short. So on November thirteenth, twenty

509
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:52.840
twenty three, Hessuzosiel and their partner
Dorian Danielle Nieves Erera, were both found

510
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:58.480
dead in their home their housekeeper found
them, and so the following is from

511
00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:05.159
the Aguas Calientes prosecutor and they stated
that both Issus o'cil and Dorian Danielle had

512
00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:08.239
razor blade wounds. There was no
third party that entered the home after the

513
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:15.559
pair was seen arriving from Guahaca.
Toxicology analysis revealed the presence of methamphetamines in

514
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:22.400
Dorian Danielle. It is suspected this
is the story that the state prosecution has

515
00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:28.960
put out, so it is suspected
that Dorian Danielle killed Hezus o'cel before taking

516
00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:34.000
his own life. They reported that
Hazus o'ciel had over twenty stab wounds and

517
00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:39.639
Dorian Danielle had razor blade injuries on
his wrists. Preliminary findings indicate that there

518
00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:45.800
were no traces of blood found outside
of the crime scene and there was no

519
00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:50.199
damage found in the access waste to
the home, meaning no one broke in,

520
00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:53.880
and they're ruling out the presence of
a third person involved in their deaths.

521
00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:59.960
They stated one of the lifeless bodies
was found holding a cutting in ste

522
00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:04.920
and the last thing I could find
about this is that authorities said they would

523
00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:12.280
coordinate with or national authorities said they
would coordinate with state authorities so that you

524
00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:16.199
know, the national government would cooperate
with Aguascarina specifically to investigate the deaths.

525
00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:22.480
And then the Interior ministry officials said
that they were not they were not throughout

526
00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:29.360
any line of investigation. But friends, family, and members of the LGBTQ

527
00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:34.840
community in Aguascalientes maintain that they do
not believe the narrative of the state.

528
00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:39.480
They say there were no issues between
Dorian Danielle and huss Ociel that would have

529
00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:44.920
led to this sort of violence.
There was no known domestic violence. No

530
00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:49.280
one believes that Dorian Danielle would do
this, that he would you know,

531
00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:54.039
kill his usociel and then himself.
They point out to the family, friends,

532
00:40:54.039 --> 00:41:00.840
family, and you know LGBTQ members. I'll point out that all points,

533
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:05.039
sorry, all point to the several
death threats that sol had been receiving,

534
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:13.000
which increased a lot in the months
before they were killed. And another

535
00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:17.440
weird thing that family, friends,
and LGBTQ community have pointed out is that

536
00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:27.199
a friend ofl and Dorian daniel and
an LGBTQ activist, Lisa Nava, had

537
00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:32.239
been murdered just a few months before
in Aguascalientes. Wow, so they feel

538
00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:37.320
like someone is targeting them. And
this kind of points to the thread you

539
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:39.880
mentioned as well that you've you've came
across that had you know, a list

540
00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:45.400
of of lgbtt Yeah, there was, Yes, there was a list of

541
00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:47.719
and I have to I can't.
I don't think I can find it,

542
00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:55.639
but I think I'm gonna look into
lists of LGBTQ members that have been murdered

543
00:41:55.719 --> 00:42:00.320
within the past. I think here
in Mexico. I don't know if it

544
00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:05.159
was Mexico or Latin America as a
whole. I don't remember this read,

545
00:42:05.320 --> 00:42:08.360
but I do know there were.
But this was one of the most deadliest

546
00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:14.599
years for politicians and anybody running for
office in Mexico. There was a true

547
00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:19.559
lot of of dead people, a
lot of murders. It was. It

548
00:42:19.599 --> 00:42:22.800
was very bloody, it was.
It was a horrible year for any many

549
00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:27.920
members running for office. And I
think it has something to do with that,

550
00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:30.440
because this year it really I think
it was the worst year or one

551
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:35.639
of the worst years. Yeah,
I read that too, And they also

552
00:42:35.719 --> 00:42:39.920
pointed to the fact that Mexican police
have a record of dismissing homophobic crimes as

553
00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:45.360
crimes of passion. Oh yes,
so they're like can they be trusted?

554
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:50.280
And of course, like news reports
and like people of authority are like saying

555
00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:55.840
like you shouldn't or they're blabing the
family for causing like unrest because they don't

556
00:42:55.880 --> 00:42:59.599
believe what the state is saying.
But it's like, how can they with

557
00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:04.079
the his that has happened? You
know, yes, even if they're telling

558
00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:08.760
the truth, even if like something
did happen between the two, their past

559
00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:17.360
behavior has muddy to everything exactly.
And Victor Espindola, the executive director of

560
00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:24.280
nonprofit Movement for Equality in Mexico,
told Courthouse News that the couple sounded happy.

561
00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:29.599
So Dorian Daniel and his associated they
sounded happy and a bat when he

562
00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:32.360
spoke to them the Sunday before they
were found They were found dead, and

563
00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:35.920
they were found dead on a Monday
morning. So he talked to them the

564
00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:38.280
day before, and he claims they
sounded happy and a bee and normal.

565
00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:44.239
And he also said the following there
is no evidence to support the Attorney general's

566
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:47.079
version because there are no cameras in
the house and there were no witnesses,

567
00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:51.760
but he there's to declare that there
was an argument in the bedroom. It

568
00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:54.440
would appear that they would like to
close the case as quickly as possible,

569
00:43:54.719 --> 00:44:00.760
So we and several other organizations are
calling on the federal Attorney General's to take

570
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:06.159
the case because what the Auascalientes Attorney
General is declaring is not trustworthy. It

571
00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:10.599
also sounds like a police officer was
involved. I just saying yeah, and

572
00:44:10.679 --> 00:44:15.159
like we I mean, there's no
way of knowing, but to of course,

573
00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:17.599
the community and the family are going
to have questions when there has been

574
00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:22.119
no history of violence between the couple
and when things just I don't know,

575
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:28.559
don't add up, right, yeah, Fellow magistrate La Yama said the following

576
00:44:28.599 --> 00:44:32.880
at a tribute, Hissu Byna's purpose
was to promote the people of the LGBTQ

577
00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:39.039
plus community who supported them throughout their
struggle, achieving a powerful message of inclusion

578
00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:44.880
and equality in our state and our
country. We will never forget by Ana's

579
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:50.519
essence, persistence and desire to achieve
a better world. And Juan Byenna,

580
00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:53.880
Hissusociel's father, said the following,
it would be a shame to let this

581
00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:59.000
justice system make a judgment that is
not correct and that the majority do not

582
00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:02.679
believe, and yeah. I mean
when there's questions, there needs to be

583
00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:07.960
an open, like concrete evidence that
that's and they have to be very what

584
00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:12.960
is it called very open about the
investigation. I feel like they have to

585
00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:17.280
release everything, every single thing,
because then just it's sketchy. That's what

586
00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:20.960
I was going to say as well, that yeah, it needs to be

587
00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:24.480
open so that the questions that the
community is having can be answered. Otherwise

588
00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:34.960
it looks fishy, suspicious. Yes, thousands protested after they were found dead

589
00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:40.559
and attended vigils and demonstrations and their
honor, and they inspired many people throughout

590
00:45:40.599 --> 00:45:45.679
their life. They were outspoken about
their general identity, gender identity, and

591
00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:51.480
they were the reason for the official
recognition of the word maestre, which was

592
00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:57.679
a gender neutral noun for magistrate in
Spanish. Oh I love that right,

593
00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:00.920
Oh that makes I was like,
why why wouldn't a street and you need

594
00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:05.599
to change? But yeah, because
oh my god, what is the word

595
00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:13.719
in Spanish machistrado machestrado? Wait?
Is it an irony? The maestra look

596
00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:15.960
at us being us? I don't
know. This is why we don't know.

597
00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:20.320
This is why I was like,
why would they need a gender neutral

598
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:23.119
term? Because I was like,
it's Magis Street. Don't listen to,

599
00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:27.679
don't listen to both of us.
I don't know. Ignore everything we just

600
00:46:27.679 --> 00:46:34.679
said. Moving on from that,
they wrote the following in June on Twitter.

601
00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:37.679
Also side note, I will always
respect pronouns, but I will never

602
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:43.239
respect Twitter changing their name to X. I'm not calling it X. I'm

603
00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:46.480
never calling it X. No,
it's just not happening. It's it's Twitter.

604
00:46:46.679 --> 00:46:51.960
Yes, So they wrote the following
in June on Twitter. I am

605
00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:54.840
a non binary person. I'm not
interested in being seen as either woman or

606
00:46:55.000 --> 00:47:00.320
man. This is an identity.
It is mine for me and nobody else.

607
00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:05.599
Accept it and bam, yes,
accept it, and honestly, we

608
00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:08.599
can only hope that justice is found. I do want to play this clip

609
00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:14.320
though, because and I'll send it
to you on Facebook, because this clip

610
00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:36.440
went viral after everything. Mad matha
sound great, math, You're less start

611
00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:38.760
breaking? Yeah, I just I
get chills every time I watch that,

612
00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:42.760
and also feel like crying because you
can hear the pain in her voice.

613
00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:45.800
But I'm just a translate really quick
for people that don't speak Spanish. She

614
00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:50.320
uh, and I don't know if
she's like a cousin or an aunt.

615
00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:53.840
I can't tell because the video doesn't
say, but she is a family member,

616
00:47:53.960 --> 00:47:58.800
and so she's saying that when you
kill a trans person, when you

617
00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:01.559
kill a gay per, you're not
that's not who you're killing. You're killing

618
00:48:01.599 --> 00:48:07.920
a brother and uncle, a nephew, like you're you're killing someone's family member.

619
00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:14.599
And yeah, I mean they were
just they were such an important person

620
00:48:14.679 --> 00:48:17.840
doing such important work. They seem
like a lovely person. And at the

621
00:48:17.960 --> 00:48:22.119
end, the family is the people
that are you know, left torn,

622
00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:29.840
suffering, and we can only hope
for justice, yes, and I really

623
00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:37.079
do hope that the investigation starts becoming
very open and very transparent because it's it's

624
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:44.800
needed to also for the LGBTQ community
in a Wesklents and Mexico in Mexico need

625
00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:50.880
that reassurance that you know, like
they will also get justice for you know,

626
00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:52.679
crimes against them. And like I
always said this, like this ship

627
00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:58.760
pisses me off that especially in the
Latin American community, not in a Latin

628
00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:01.960
American but like Latin America in general, like the whole community in general,

629
00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:08.760
that pisses me off is that there's
they villainize the LGBTQ plus community. But

630
00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:15.360
they will keep the secrets and they
will protect ten toads down for the family

631
00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:20.840
pedophile. And it pisses me off. Oh yeah yeah, they'll be like,

632
00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:27.719
oh so and so it's coming overevestido, like, don't wear a dress,

633
00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:30.599
put yeah, put some pants on. I'm like, first of all,

634
00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:34.840
why are you even allowing a person
where in which your children need to

635
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:39.599
cover up and change from shorts two
pants around your children. That is disgusting.

636
00:49:40.119 --> 00:49:45.440
That is disgusting. I I as
someone who was abused as a child

637
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:49.719
by an adult. It was a
straight man. It was a straight man

638
00:49:49.880 --> 00:49:54.000
somehow, never a drag queen somehow, never a transperson somehow. Always a

639
00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:59.559
straight person. Yes, a straight
man. The person who abused me was

640
00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:06.159
a straight man. Yes. And
that's not to say obviously people like that

641
00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:08.800
abusers are in every community. But
like the numbers, don't lie, look

642
00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:13.800
at them, look at who really
makes the majority, and don't pretend to

643
00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:16.719
be doing this to say the children. Don't go protest a drag queen story

644
00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:20.719
hour, which are amazing, by
the way, because you're trying to save

645
00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:22.840
the children. Instead, watch out
for those that are close to your child.

646
00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:27.480
That's what you need to be the
creepy uncle. Yeah, the creepy

647
00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:30.679
uncle, the creepy coach, the
creepy paricte. Yeah. For me,

648
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:36.599
I've always been it's always been men
who who. Even when I was a

649
00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:39.639
child, I was being cat called
by men. Oh yeah, yeah,

650
00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:43.679
same. Like. There was this
thing that I came across that said,

651
00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:47.239
what was it like when I was
a child, they used to get called

652
00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:52.400
by men? And I thought it
was because I looked like older. But

653
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:57.440
then as you get older, the
cat calling slows down. Oh I saw

654
00:50:57.480 --> 00:51:01.440
that, Yes, and slows down
until you realize it was because he looked

655
00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:07.000
older. And that's horrifying, and
that is disgusting. I mean, yeah,

656
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:12.360
I remember being twelve eleven and I'm
like being cat calls. It's it's

657
00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:15.639
so dehumanizing, it's so and now
that you're like an adult and look like

658
00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:20.880
an adult, the cat calls have
either a slow down or stop for some

659
00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:23.320
people. And then you come to
a realization, Oh, they knew,

660
00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:27.519
they knew they I don't look like
an adult. It was because I looked

661
00:51:27.519 --> 00:51:31.480
like a child. Huh. It's
disgusting. Before we go on more of

662
00:51:31.519 --> 00:51:37.679
a rant on this, because we
can and we would, Oh there's there's

663
00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:39.719
one hour, two hours not enough. Yeah, we can keep going,

664
00:51:39.719 --> 00:51:45.400
but let's not. Let's let's do
speaking recommendations. If you have any do

665
00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:49.800
you have any? I? What
was I? I was watching? What

666
00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:54.280
does that show? Unsolved Mysteries?
Was William Shatner? Yes? I was

667
00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:57.679
having the time of my life.
I was having the time of my life

668
00:51:57.719 --> 00:52:00.159
because I've been proched. I a
purcheyed so much, guys, I croucheded

669
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:04.719
like three bags. I still have
more shirt. This this reminds me.

670
00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:07.760
Did you get the thing I tagged
you in on Facebook? I was like,

671
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:09.880
I'll pay you to crochet this,
right, I don't know. Let

672
00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:12.920
me see, let me see.
Did I tag someone else? Oh my

673
00:52:12.920 --> 00:52:17.480
god, I meant I don't.
I don't see it. Hold on,

674
00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:21.400
damn. Okay, it was when
a week ago? No, it was

675
00:52:21.400 --> 00:52:23.159
this morning. No, I didn't. I don't. I haven't gotten anything.

676
00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:29.679
It says weird. Okay. It
was a picture of someone that crocheted

677
00:52:29.719 --> 00:52:32.519
a safety a vest, like a
bright safety. Oh, I've seen that

678
00:52:32.559 --> 00:52:37.079
one. You know what's funny?
I uh, when was it like two

679
00:52:37.239 --> 00:52:40.360
three days ago? I came across
that yarn. I was like, oh,

680
00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:45.039
that is a very bright yarn.
Yeah, and I was like,

681
00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:46.760
I wonder what I can make with
it, and then like the following day,

682
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:50.320
I know what you're talking about.
Okay, okay, well that's the

683
00:52:50.320 --> 00:52:53.519
one I tagged you in. Okay, So you've been crocheting and watching Unsolved

684
00:52:53.559 --> 00:52:59.840
Mysteries. Yes, I finished both
two seasons. I have to get season

685
00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:04.119
one and two, but i've finished
season three and fourth. Season four is

686
00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:07.280
so long? But why did you
watch three and four? First? Oh

687
00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:09.400
that's all they had on Netflix.
I didn't see one and two. Oh

688
00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:14.159
okay, I've come across those somewhere
else. I think it was like Prime

689
00:53:14.239 --> 00:53:15.480
or something or was it I don't
remember. Oh, I have Prime,

690
00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:19.119
will check, yeah, double check. I think that's what it was.

691
00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:21.920
I could be wrong, but it's
like my go to thing because it's like

692
00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:23.360
it's like you don't have to watch
the TV. It's kind of like a

693
00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:28.960
podcast. And then I get really
into croching, and I've been crouching so

694
00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:31.599
much. I don't know if you
saw the bag that adorable. I've been

695
00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:36.599
into Granny Squares. I love it. I love it so much. But

696
00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:39.599
yeah, that's what I've been doing. Unsolved Mysteries with William Shanner. I'm

697
00:53:39.599 --> 00:53:42.440
trying to look for more stuff like
that, because you know, I like

698
00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:46.280
the little documentary stuff. Yeah.
There, Honestly, nothing comes close to

699
00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:52.039
it. It crutches a niche in
my brain. M hm, yeah,

700
00:53:52.159 --> 00:53:54.119
there's nothing like it. It's this. It's a classic. There's a I

701
00:53:54.159 --> 00:53:59.199
don't know if you come across it, but there is a UFO Mexico City

702
00:53:59.239 --> 00:54:02.320
episode, So somewhere I'm gonna it's
probably in the first two seasons, unless

703
00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:07.960
I spaced out in one of the
you could have. I don't remember where

704
00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:13.719
it's at. I probably did,
it's a possibility. Yeah. I finally

705
00:54:13.800 --> 00:54:19.320
read the first story in Loteria by
Cynthia. It's like an anthology book where

706
00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:23.360
each story is based on a Lotteria
card. Oh oh yes, yes,

707
00:54:23.440 --> 00:54:27.639
yes, I've heard of this.
Yes, Karmen and I Krmon has already

708
00:54:27.679 --> 00:54:30.599
read all of it. Of course
she has. She is a bookworm.

709
00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:34.519
She yeah, she's been obsessed this
year, specifically because last year she was

710
00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:37.000
like not into it, but this
year she's been reading away and that's why

711
00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:40.719
she finished VS. Northest super fast. Also, I'm where are you?

712
00:54:42.159 --> 00:54:45.559
Yes, I am like two thirds
through the book. I still have to

713
00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:50.000
finish. I have not had time
and been like crushed. Well, my

714
00:54:50.119 --> 00:54:54.519
kids are off the summer, so
I have to mother. Yeah, because

715
00:54:54.559 --> 00:54:58.760
yeah, I finished it, So
all right, all right, I try,

716
00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:05.039
I'll try the pressures on. But
yeah, I mean that's I know.

717
00:55:05.239 --> 00:55:07.320
Carmen's already recommended it and talked more
about it, so but that would

718
00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:13.679
be my spooky recommendation. And other
than that, I'm gonna end episode here

719
00:55:13.719 --> 00:55:16.239
because I have to be. I've
been trying so much water. So I

720
00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:20.519
don't know, watch out for God, what do we even say? I

721
00:55:20.519 --> 00:55:24.199
don't even remember any of the legends. Watch out for the Oh, I

722
00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:28.920
know, don't make deals with the
devil. Yeah, yes, say spooky

723
00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:30.119
and we'll catch everyone next time.
Bye bye