Ghostly Apparitions and the LeBaron Cult (part one)

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Hello, Christina here before the episode
starts, I do want to give a

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trigger warning for my half of the
episode, where I cover the Liberian Cult,

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part one of the Liberian cults.
But it is a religious cult,

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so there is mention of abusing children, forcing children to marry adults, violence,

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I mean things like that, you
know, things that come with the

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cult typically. So if that is
something you do not want to hear,

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feel free to just listen to MJ's
half or she has ghost stories, and

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I mean skip my half if you
need to. And yeah, here's the

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episode. Hi everyone, This is
Christina and this is MJ and Carmen and

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this is another episode of a Spooky
Tales. The podcast are all things spooky

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and sometimes she crime and sometimes both
in the same episode, which is what

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we're doing today. I'm talking about
a cult and MJ is talking about random

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things, random haunted things, and
I'm just here. You're going to read

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the listener story. Yes, finally, it's official. It's in the contract.

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Part of my contractional obligations. Yes, yeah, so in there in

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your contractual obligations is to read the
listener story. Yeah, okay, should

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I get into it or what?
Yes? I think so I think we're

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ready. Okay, Well, I
don't know who this is from. It

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doesn't say Sam, it's from Sam. I cut it off when I cropped

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the image. Excellentally I thought I
said Sam, and I was like,

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what's the buck? Who am I
to judge someone's name? I don't know.

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You're right, that's what you said. That what you said? Okay,

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Sam says weird experience. Just thought
i'd share and hopefully get your thoughts.

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Back when my son was two and
my daughter was one, I was

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at home with them in the afternoon, playing in the living room. It

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was just them and me at home
at the time, I felt the need

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to look up. It's never good. That's not part of the story.

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That was me. Stop, we
know it was you. Okay, back

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to the story. So I did
and looked up at the hallway area.

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I saw a dark figure with a
hat. Not a hat. Okay,

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man, that's what I thought of
it. But I was reading it earlier.

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Also, what the fuck? I
was like, MJ will know about

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this? With the hat standing there. It then proceeded to continue walking.

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At the time, it creeped me
out. So I took my kids and

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some of their toys outside and waited
for someone to come home. At the

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time, and many years later that
would have weird me out. In twenty

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eighteen, my family and I moved
to a completely different city, and this

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occurrence still crosses my mind every once
in a while. June twenty twenty three,

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my children are now fourteen and fifteen. I had taken a nap.

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I dreamt that I was back at
my previous home, walking from the laundry

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room to the stairs down the hallway. I look to my right and I

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can see a young me playing with
my kids in the living room. Then

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suddenly, looking up, I could
see my fear. Was I my own

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man in a hat? Oh my
god? What Okay? The first time

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I read it, I didn't get
it, But now I get it.

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Strange she saw herself in the future. I've heard of that too, Like,

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I'm not like what people say is
not like actual ghosts. It's just

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like this weird time loop. Like
a glitch in time. Yeah, like

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a glitch in time where you're either
seeing the past or the other future happening

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better than the hat man, for
sure, Like a time lapse. No,

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like a time a glitch, Oh, glitch, that's right time laps

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is time passing? Oh you guys
said it? Oh my god, I'm

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sorry what you made me do?
Anyway, Yes, thank you Sam for

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your story. And if you have
any stories that you want to send to

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the podcast, you can email au
Spokitos at gmail dot com. You can

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DM us on our socials and apparently
you can also click contact us on our

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website. I didn't know that there
were stories waiting there, so that was

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very exciting for me to learn discover
new stories. Yeah, like two days

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ago discord, that's another option.
All this is in the show notes.

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And yeah, we love your stories. I also have like two voicemails that

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I still have to play. I
keep forgetting to download them, but yeah,

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we love receiving them, all of
them in whatever form they come.

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And yeah, onto the episode.
MJ has one like Manopuruda story and some

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other stories she found. Yeah,
I have one Manopolula story. I have

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a story from my mom from my
parents, and one story from podcast Extra

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Normal Sweet. Okay, so yeah, a little more skipboard. What's the

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word I can't say it? Smre
Yes, thank you? How do people

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I don't even try it? I
can't I give them that thing. Yeah,

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a little like mix of stories.
Yes, thank you. I was

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like, what's the better way to
say this? And then I have the

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LeBaron cult, which is I mean, we love it's terrible, but we

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love cult stories. Yeah, and
I'm sorry. I didn't realize how much

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information was out there on this cult. So I think it's going to be

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a two parter. I think so. So I'm Jay, you want to

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you want to go first? Yeah, I'll go first. Okay, sorry

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guys, I have the sniffles to
excuse my voice today. So a man

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named Nestor calls into the show with
the story. He goes on to explain

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that he is a background This is
the story to I, just like jumped,

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was like an explanation. You enjoy
the story. Well, some people

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might not know. Some people might
not know what le Manoo that is.

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They should at this point, what
if there's a brand new listener. First

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of all, welcome, We hope
that you stay. We're like usually this

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messy, so please stay. La
Mano Manola Oh my god, I can't

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talk there. La Mana is a
Mexican radio show. It was like the

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OG Mexican coast to coast. People
call in tell their ghost stories. We

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love it and we sometimes take stories
from there to tell everyone else. So

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yes, because they're really good stories. They're amazing. Yeah, okay,

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so let me start over. Uh
yeah, yeah. A man named Nestor

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calls into the show with the story. He goes on to explain that he

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is a DJ and that this story
he took place about a year prior.

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He explains that he takes a deposit
at the time of booking and he asked

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the father of the king if they
were gonna dance the Wals, which I

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don't know if everybody has a different
song they danced to in this, but

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I feel like it's the same one. I feel like it's it's what's his

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name, Chaian? I can't pronounce
his name, yeah, Chayan? No,

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that was wrong, chi Chayan Chaianchayan
is Chayan right? Actually there's a

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video like because I guess like him
and just On Timberlain, No, they're

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not. They can't be the same
age. Chian is older, right anyway,

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there's a video older. I feel
like he's like, yeah, maybe

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our parents age if yeah, he's
older. And but there's this video I

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saw that's like maybe one and just
On Timberlake, and they're like, oh,

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his age, and then they show
his dancing, and then they show

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Chayan in his age, like and
how he's so much about her and dancing.

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Okay, he's fifty five, and
let's justin he can't be fifty five.

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No, he's forty three. Okay, Okay, although I mean they

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look very honestly, Shayan looks better
at his age right now. The door's

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over lake right now. So anyway, let's move on. So the father

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went on to say that no,
she was not going to dance at vals,

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and Nestor found this incredibly strange,
but you know, whatever the client

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wants, the client is right.
The day of the party, he said

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that the King Sanetta entered the hall
almost rushed. He said that she seemed

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upset and went to the kitchen of
the hall. Nestor tried to talk to

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her, but she ignored him.
And soon after the Chamblains arrived. He

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started playing music and a few people
got on the dance floor and started dancing,

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but the energy was off, like
no matter what he played, people

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weren't really partying. The entire time. The King Sanetta was dancing by herself,

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and so he decided to put on
a playlist and went to dance with

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her. He danced with her for
like a minute, and then something happened

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where he lost sight of her,
and then she was just gone. He

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had left his DJA station with his
friend who helped him with the DJ equipment.

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He went back to his station and
his friend was like, why were

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you dancing by yourself? Nestor was
confused and he explained that he was dancing

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with the King sing Itra. She
did. His friend went on to say

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that, no, you were dancing
by yourself. They ended up dropping the

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topic and that's when Nestor went to
the kitchen. There he ran to the

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mom of the King Singerra. He
asked her if there was anything that he

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could play for the King Seneta a
song that she liked, and the mother

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looked at him with tears coming down
her face. Who was so confused,

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And that's when the dad went on
to say that, no, my daughter

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passed away a year prior. His
daughter was so excited to one day have

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the King Singea as she wanted.
It's so incredibly bad that they threw her

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at King Senea in honor of her. He goes on to explain that he

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doesn't know fully how she died.
Nonetheless, Nestor tells the father that he

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just saw her. Nestor was confused
because he saw the picture on the cake

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that the parents had ordered, the
picture of the girl met the girl that

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he saw on the dance floor.
She was also wearing a dress that wasn't

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on any of the professional pictures that
were taken, because in Kingsangeta they have

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like pictures of the birthday girl and
they're professionally done and all this stuff.

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But she was wearing a different dress
than the picture than the one in the

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pictures, and she was clearly the
same girl from the pictures, but she

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looked different, like maybe a little
bit older. Nestor told the father like

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he danced with her, and the
father was in disbelief. He even described

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the dress as she was wearing,
which was again different, and the father

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took out his phone, and on
his phone he had the picture of the

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dress he had bought his daughter because
they were going to have the King Sanetta

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before she was fifteen, and it
was the same dress that he saw her

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in. They got the videographer to
replay the video he had taken of Nestor

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when he was on the dance floor, and they replayed it and Nestor is,

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of course dancing by himself. At
this point, he expect I see,

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he's getting goosebumps. And while the
videographer didn't catch Nesta dancing with the

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girl, he did capture her standing
at a corner of the head table.

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She was next to her cake,
and the look on her face wasn't one

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of sadness or happiness. She was
just observing and had a serious look.

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They showed the video of her standing
by the cake to her family, and

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you know, the mom becomes distraw. The father is amazed and bewildered,

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and there were friends there and they
showed her the video and pretty much everybody

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from the party, you know,
was asking to see the video, and

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everybody got a chance to see it. The father then asked for a speech

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and he thanked all those who attended, and he was really happy that his

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daughter was there with them in spirit
celebrating Hurricane sing Ita. After that,

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the mood changed and everybody was in
better spirits and they started to have like

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a full blown party. Finally,
Oh my god, Wow, was like

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a sweet ghost story, so rare. Yeah, it was wild, but

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yeah it was sweet. Yeah,
that was cute. I would have been

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scared though either way. I mean, yeah, I would have passed out

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if I dance with the ghosts.
I would have been like, I know

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this is sweet, but I just
danced with the ghost Yeah. Yeah,

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I wouldn't want to be the one
dancing. But like, if I was

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in the party, I'm like,
oh, this is so cool. And

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then he was like, man,
I wondered if if if she thought my

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dance moves are bad and that's why
she's just like bye, he got ghosts.

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Never mind, I'm actually gonna go
back now. But you guys enjoyed

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the party? What was that?
What kind of dance moves or that?

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I wonder what song they oh they
were dancing? What were they dancing together?

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What if it was? Oh it
was That's what I was gonna say.

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I was like, what if it
was a Cumbia mix? Okayumbia,

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because she wasn't gonna dance the balls, so he didn't have any of that.

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He just put on a Cumbia mix. Al Itta is something that it

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looks good when you're asking by herself. You know that's true. But even

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then he's like I looked a little
bit silly, I looked drunk. Oh

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man, No, that's a good
one. Wow, creepy but good.

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So this next ghost encounter is my
parents' story. And my mother was telling

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me the other day. I was
like, you never told me this,

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but yeah, I was like,
tell me again. I got to write

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this. So my parents used to
have a little shop in San Francisco,

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and this was before my parents retired. They used to have a lady who

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was a regular client who would come
in almost every day to get some groceries.

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And you know, one day her
daughters came in to tell my parents

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that their mother had passed away,
and my parents knew her very well,

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so they were sad, and you
know, they gave the family their condolencence

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and stuff. And a few weeks
later, that same client came in and

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asked my mom for something from the
back. So my mom went in the

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back to check it and she was
like wait, you know, like wait,

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it hit her like a ton of
bricks and my mom was like,

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and to know, my main dad
was in the front of the shop with

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my mom. So she runs to
the front of the store and she sees

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this client leaving the store. My
mom is freaking out. She's telling my

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dad like, hey, this is
client so and so. They're both freaking

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out because she had just passed away
a week or two weeks prior, and

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they ran out to the store to
see if she was there. But she

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just vanished. And my parents' store
at the time was at a corner.

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There was nowhere for this lady to
just go. And she's a little old

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lady, right and like they would
see her. Wow. Yeah, it's

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at an intersection of two streets,
so there's only four ways she could go,

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and she was not going either way. She just vanished. Wow.

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My parents later told their daughters and
their daughter's like, oh my god,

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she came here to say goodbye,
and they saw a full solid apparition.

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Oh my god. So both my
parents were sweet too, like she wanted

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to say bye to them. It
is scary. She was like, but

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before go get my groceries from the
back. She's like, I still have

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a habit on need my vegetables.
She's going to take them to heaven with

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her. You know, the afterlife
is no excuse for not eating your veggies

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exactly. Damn, Okay, I
didn't know that. I know and yeah,

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that was it was short. It
was sweet, but yeah, I

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was like, you never told me
this, mother holding out on me.

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Yeah. So this next story is
from podcast Extra and it's on episode twenty

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seven. For those who speak Spanish
to go listen. They tell it way

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better than I do because and Bacco's
guest is David Igadara, and he goes

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on to share a very haunting story. When he was a child, his

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parents divorced and he went to live
with his dad. His dad had built

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a house in downtown Tustepec in Wahaka, and it was on a guyahone and

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it's like an alley way of sorts. The entire area was Manganales, which

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is a place with lots of mango
trees. His father bought some land there

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and the way the house was built, there was a guy hone on both

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sides of the houses of the house. At the time, this was before

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it was fully developed. There was
an entryway for each guy hone, so

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like they could enter in either side
of the house too, as well as

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the front. And he was fifteen
when he went to live there, and

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he would tell his dad all the
time as a team, like there's some

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bad energy here. So Manganales,
which a little note, my note,

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this is my note, not the
guy on the podcast, but there's said

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to be paranormal places Manganales because like
Duendez are supposed to live in mango trees

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too. Oh any tree, all
the trees. Yeah, so he walked

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into the laundry room and there's a
window that faces the yard. Also another

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note, according to the people other
listeners during this episode, you could hear

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voices in the background. I didn't
hear shit of the episode, but okay,

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he has a lot of shit,
Yeah he has. He has a

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lot of ship Like Bucco has a
lot of shit that happens to him when

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he records what is going on as
long as it's not us, right,

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he always talks about it, like
like ship in the background moves and then

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people hear like noises and other like
disembodied voices, especially when he has like

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mediums or bruhosts on the show.
I'm like, okay, I don't hear

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it, but you guys, let's
shot this on this story. Did you

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guys hear the and that screen that
I sent you the screen recording it was

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like two episodes ago for us,
I was talking and there's like a clear

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sound. It's in our group chat. I heard, I heard what you

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were talking about, but I don't
know. It couldn't I mean, it

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could have been any of us.
But see, that's the thing, because

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when I'm editing, no one else, no other track is on at the

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same time unless we're talking at the
same time. Like if we're talking at

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the same time, then I leave
the tracks there, right, But if

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no one else is talking, the
other two tracks are blank, like nothing

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is there. So it's only me
and like recording remotely. It's not like

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we're recording in person. The other
person's like audio doesn't bleed into your own.

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That's true. So I'm confused.
I am a confusion. Weird,

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What the fuck was that? That
is weird? It's the other person that

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lives in your house, apparently,
I don't know. Like I didn't hear

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anything when I was recording. I
was just talking, like I didn't stop

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talking. So clearly it's not me
blowing into the mic. There's no way

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for me. Sometimes I get like
a separate and like like if someone like

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next to you was blowing into the
mic as you were talking. No,

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right, no, No, it's
like a so it's like you're talking and

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then there's like something else blowing into
the mic as you're talking. But it

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wasn't my children, because I was
in this room and they were out there.

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So that's weird. I don't know. Spray somewhere. I'm not visiting

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anymore. I'm picking you up on
Thursday. Negative, bring some ghosts propelling

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with you. Spray everything just on
me whatever. You can continue now,

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Okay. At the time, David
had dogs and they began barking. It

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was late. He doesn't remember what
time it was, but it was nighttime

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already, and the dogs are barking
at the same place. So he's in,

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you know, he's he's looking for
his laundry and stuff, and he

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steps to the side, kind of
like tilting his head over to look towards

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the window, and there's a woman. Her back was turned to him,

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and he's freaking out because the only
girl that lived in the house was his

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sister and she was, you know, asleep. The dogs are barking at

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the direction of this figure, and
where this figure was standing there was also

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a flower pot, and that's when
he notices the woman had no legs.

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Oh, she had black hair and
was wearing a we beat and she's facing

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a tree in the yard. She's
just looking out. That's just a creepy

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and another MJ note. We beat
as the traditional indigenous garment worn by women

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of Mexico and Central America. So
he screams for his father, and she

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didn't disappear until his father turned all
the lights, so she was He's screaming

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his ass off to stay here and
his you know, he asked his father

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who lived there before, and his
father was like, there was just trees.

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They were cut down and I built
the house. So he goes on

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to find out like the information from
what he calls their cheese mosa neighbor,

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and on the property not too far
from their house, there was they used

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to live a woman who practiced.
Come to find out she would bury her

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witchcraft stuff on the property of the
house that they were living in. Why

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did you bury it in her own
house? He's like, damn, dad,

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why didn't you look through the ship
before you fucking built the house.

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She was like, I'm burying it
over there, not my property. I

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was there somebody else's property. And
his father now lives alone in the same

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house and still says that there's like
strange stuff that happened all the time.

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So yeah, wow apparitions and solid
ones too, that's that's so I picked

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the three stories because they all had
similar same vibes. Yeah, full body

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apparitions yeah, well and three quarters
apparitions yes, well, thank you Jay.

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That was creepy. Yeah. I
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to like for once, and now
it's an actual break instead of just the

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music. That's like, yeah,
we're gonna take a break here, we're

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gonna thank our Patreon members and maybe
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We'll see. Sometimes there is,
sometimes there isn't. Okay, now we're

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back. Wow wow I love that. Yeah crazy. Yeah. So the

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Libaron cult, which when I first
saw it, I kept reading it in

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my head as Lebren. Well,
I always say it Lebron and I know

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that's wrong. Oh I can't let
that. No, that's how I was

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saying it. I just said it
wrong. Oh yeah, twice in my

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head I was saying it like Lebanon, but with an R. Lebron.

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Yeah yeah, but it's Leberon.
So now we know. So this quote,

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uh, it happened in Mexico and
it was led by Verel LeBaron.

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His church was called the Church of
the First Born of the Lamb of God.

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Oh God, too many words,
too wordy, too many, too

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many. Yeah, and they committed
a series of murders in Mexico, of

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course, stated yeah, of course. But before we get into you know,

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how this happened, we have to
talk about Arrol Le Baron and what

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the fuck he was doing in Mexico
in the first place, because this is

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a white man in case of of
course it is. So. Rville was

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born February twenty second. I think
what his name is, Irville? Yeah,

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yeah, but it's a perfectly fine
name, isn't it, Because it's

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very close to evil. I will
judge. Maybe it was meant to be

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for him to be evil with that
self fulfilling prophecy. But actually his friends

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named him so, so they did
it. Yeah yeah, speaking of his

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parents anyway. So yes, Erville
was born February twenty second, nineteen twenty

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five in northern Mexico, and his
his birth where he was born, all

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of it was divine intervention because his
God was or his God his father was

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the prophet according to himself, right
of course, yeah, yes, yes,

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God told him. So his father, Alma de or Lebron, moved

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his family to gala Enna, Chihuahua
because he was a polygamist. So for

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people that donate Hilltory, right,
yeah, Irville. So after the Church

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of Jesus, after the Church of
Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, the

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LDS Mormons. Yeah, yeah,
that's way easier to say. So they

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abandoned the practice of polygamy in eighteen
ninety and then some Mormons were like,

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we want to keep doing this,
even though it was outlawed by the United

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States. We are going to keep
doing this, and that's why we're taking

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our happy asses to Mexico. That's
exactly what happened. Yes, I guess

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you know quite a bit about this. You could say I'm obsessed, she

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really is. Yeah, we both
watched Under the Banner of Heaven because of

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because of you. And then I
listened to the audiobook which goes into how

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the Mormons went to Mexico. But
it happened after this, after it was

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outlawed in the United States. So
the Lebarons were among these Mormons, so

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they were excommunicated. They moved to
Mexico where they could continue being polygamist without

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the meddling of the US and the
US laws. Right. So Irville's father

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Alma Alma. Yeah, I'm but
white. So I guess it's Alma,

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not Alma. I didn't know that
was a name in English, white man

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name. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what's up with his

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name. I was confused the whole
family. Sorry, No, you're right,

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Harba said, who is she to
judge? But I will judge on

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behalf of all of us. That's
all judge. I sole my judging upon

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you. So yeah, Alma Earvill, They're all going to be judged.

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Alma. Earville's father experienced hallucinations all
his life. He believed God talked to

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him, and God was the one
who told him to go down to Gleana

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and spread the true word of the
Lord and to Alma. These hallucinations they

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were real. They weren't science of
like a mental health issue or neathing.

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You know, they were real because
it made sense in their religion. Like

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they have a special little thing.
Yeah, they have the what do they

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call it? The voice? Right, that's I think that's the name of

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it. Yeah, I was gonna
say schizophrenia. I mean, to some

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it's that it's a mental health issue. But to others, they have a

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special connection with God and they can
talk to God, and that's what makes

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them special. The moremonents. Yeah, and I mean to Alma, this

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all was like, this makes sense
because they happened to our leader, Joseph

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Smith. And I mean, for
those who don't know, Joseph Smith was

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the founder of the LDS Church.
An angel told him to dig in this

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like one place, and then he
found these two gold tablets. And these

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two gold tablets were what became the
Book of Mormon. And Joseph continued to

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have visions, you know, for
all his life, and in eighteen forty

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one, God instructed Joseph Smith to
take a second wife. And he had

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to do it because God told them
he didn't think about himself. It wasn't

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him, No, it was God. Even though this vision contradicted the writings

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of the Book of Mormon, it
didn't stop Joeoseph. It was he had

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to do it. It was his
sacred duty, you know. So yeah,

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he took a second wife, and
then another or another, and then

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at some point the numbers not exactly
know, but like I read twenty eight

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to fifty wives Jesus, and some
of them, I don't know if it

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was more than one or just one. They were like fourteen and fifteen.

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Yeah, a lot of them were
underage. And so the US government didn't

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agree with this. Also neither did
another member of the church or what happened

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either, is itd his first wife? Yeah, that's true. There was

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a split in the church. Yeah, and that's what made a lot of

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Mormons move. And so in nineteen
twenty three, Alma LeBaron was thirty seven

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and he had a vision. He
was told to fulfill Joseph Smith's command and

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marry his eighteen year old housekeeper,
Onnie Jones. And then when Alma's g

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I keep thinking he's a woman,
Alma, Okay, anyway, sorry,

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when Alma's grandfather passed away, Alma
had another vision. He saw his grandfather,

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grandfather. He was wearing a crown
and he told Alma that he was

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the head of the Mormon Church and
he was the inheritor, inheritor to Joseph

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Smith's mantle. So like his grandfather's
ghost was telling him this, like,

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this is actually who I was.
And so because that's who I was,

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the title is being passed on to
you, Alma le Baron, And so

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Alma had no choice but to follow
his sacred duty and follow the Ten Commandments

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and bringing back the practice of polygamy. He had to do it. His

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hands were tired. So then Alma
told his family what he saw his vision

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the next morning, and his wife
Maud, was shocked, but she agreed

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because I mean, this is a
way, yeah, because she had she

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actually had to, she had no
choice, literally, yeah. And so

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one joined the family and they then
they were communicated from the church because you're

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not supposed to be polygamists anymore.
So they stayed in the area for a

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little bit, but then they heard
rumors of like a LeBaron lynching. People

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wanted to lynch him apparently. Oh, so then he took the two wives

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and their eight children and fled south
to Mexico, where previous Mormons had fled

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before him. They arrived in Mexico
in late nineteen twenty four. They settled

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in Colonia Aguades, which wasn't already
existing Mormon community in Chihuawa. They thought

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they would be like a little more
accepted here, but apparently people were like

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no longer really practicing polygamy in Colonia
whuadas either they were just normal Mormons,

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monogamous Mormons, yes, yeah,
and so they they were there, they

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00:30:57.119 --> 00:31:03.160
were living their lives. Alma mod
had their ninth child, which was rvil

407
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:08.640
LeBaron not irvil irvll. He's come
into the picture now. But yeah,

408
00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:14.160
like life wasn't easier in Colonia Quadres. The family was ostracized because they were

409
00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:18.799
polygamous. None of the other kids
talked to them, the Labarian kids,

410
00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:22.720
because they were like, oh,
they're weirdos. And it wasn't just because

411
00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:26.839
of their practices. They also were
just known for being weird and bizarre and

412
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:32.160
like they had erratic behavior and anger
issues like all the kids. Well,

413
00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:36.720
anger is a learned behavior. Mm
hmm, yeah it is. And mental

414
00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:41.279
health issues run in families, so
yeah, yeah they do. It's funny

415
00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:48.880
you mentioned that because their fourth oldest
daughter, Lucinda, started having hallucinations and

416
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:53.119
like these hysteric episodes and that's what
the note like the other article telling her

417
00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:56.680
like a hysteric woman, you know. But there were these episodes where she

418
00:31:56.720 --> 00:32:01.599
would just scream for hours and they
started when she was seventeen. The family

419
00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:06.480
to like calm her down, and
I say that in quotation marks to calm

420
00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:09.400
her down during these episodes. They
were tire her ankles, like chain her

421
00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:15.119
ankles to like a shed or something
like that. Wo. Yeah, terrible

422
00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:17.839
stuff. And she wasn't the only
sibling who had these problems. Ben,

423
00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:23.160
the oldest son, he started hearing
voices that told him he was God at

424
00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:28.599
twenty two and then he was hospitalized
in an asylum in Arizona. But yeah,

425
00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:32.920
like all ten children had things like
they were hearing voices, anger issues,

426
00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:37.519
things like that. And then like
four of the seven boys in the

427
00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:45.279
Liberian family, they all claimed that
they were Lord's prophet. They all had

428
00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:47.759
these same visions where they were the
ones that were told this. But then

429
00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:51.400
Irville and this is all when they
were like adults, right, But Rvill

430
00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:55.279
later claimed that he received the right
to kill from God himself, Like he

431
00:32:55.359 --> 00:33:01.680
told them, like you can do
this in a vision, elma dare lebron

432
00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:07.960
he LeBaron. I did it,
my bad LeBaron. He would travel back

433
00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:13.079
and forth Mexico and the US,
usually Mexico in like Utah and Arizona where

434
00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:16.359
there were more maone communities to work. He was like a painter, so

435
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:21.799
he did that for work and By
nineteen thirty nine, there were nineteen Lebaran

436
00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:24.920
kids, thirteen from Maud, his
first wife, and then six from Oni,

437
00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:29.039
the second wife. The other children
didn't, you know, talk to

438
00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:31.599
them, so they only had each
other. And this was very true for

439
00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:37.319
Irville and his older brother by two
years, Joel Irville. They were inseparable.

440
00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:42.599
Out of the two, Irville was
the more handsome, smarter, taller,

441
00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:46.000
charismatic one and Joel was like the
weird, quiet one who was also

442
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:52.279
ugly. Apparently that's what the notes
say, not me. I wrote the

443
00:33:52.359 --> 00:34:02.440
notes anyway, Oh crack with the
up. Okay, so yes. People

444
00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:07.039
thought Irva was like smarter because he
could speak for hours on the Book of

445
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:09.320
Mormon and it sounded like he knew
what he was talking about. It sounds

446
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:12.920
like he memorized it, though,
is it really being smart? Okay,

447
00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:15.719
god yeah? But then he would
ramble for hours on this and like he

448
00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:20.000
would go from one thought to another, and people just thought he was too

449
00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:23.039
smart for them to follow. But
really it was more like disorganized thoughts.

450
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:27.760
Oh, like a mental health issue. Oh, like a symptom of schizophrenia.

451
00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:31.159
Yeah right right, And this organized
thoughts asn't like when you talk like

452
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:37.559
one thing is not connected to the
other, like rambling, but like extreme.

453
00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:42.440
In nineteen forty, Joel was set
to go on his mission. You

454
00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:46.239
know, Mormons go on their mission
where they try to indoctrinate people when colonize

455
00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:51.719
and shit. So Joe refused to
go on his mission unless Irvo could go

456
00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:54.599
with him, because again they were
inseparable. So the two went and Irvill

457
00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:59.119
ended up being like one of the
youngest missionaries ever because just this was in

458
00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:02.119
normal. So they traveled around Mexico
for two years spreading the word of the

459
00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:06.239
Church, but really they were spreading
their version of it, so they were

460
00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:09.519
spreading polygamy, the practice of polygamy. When they returned home, their father,

461
00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:14.440
Alma, was fed up with Colonia
quadrees. He felt like he wasn't

462
00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:19.639
receiving his recognition as the true prophet
of the church, which like nobody recognized

463
00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:28.159
him as obviously, but he did. So he packed up his family and

464
00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:34.239
they headed off north into the desert. They settled in the Sierra Madrem Mountain

465
00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:39.599
area and they had a ranch named
Colonia le Baron or le Baron, I

466
00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:45.440
don't know. This was ninety forty
five now, so not long after that,

467
00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:50.880
Alma got sick from lead poisoning because
of his job as a painter.

468
00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:53.039
Apparently they still used lead and paint, so I guess yeah, because we're

469
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:59.239
in like the ninety fifties forties.
So he became fully paralyzed and he died

470
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:02.480
in ninety fifty one. And right
after his death, thirty eight year old

471
00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:07.000
Ben, the oldest son, tried
to start his own church, but like

472
00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:13.719
all his mental issues, he just
couldn't. He was randomly arrested in the

473
00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:16.239
middle of a street because he was
doing push ups in the middle of traffic.

474
00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:22.199
What so he yeah, he was
having a little crisis. Yeah,

475
00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:27.320
just a little one. And so
he was arrested and then like placed into

476
00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:31.400
an asylum and he spent the next
decade there. Wow, now he's like

477
00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:36.480
one brother's out of the picture.
In the meantime, Joel and Arville were

478
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:38.840
like, we're not with him,
and they were trying to distance themselves from

479
00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:45.119
the church that he tried to start, and so they went and joined a

480
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:52.280
different church. This one was led
by Rulon al Read and this was an

481
00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:58.960
already established polygamous sect. Do you
know the name Kerman? Yeah, okay,

482
00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:06.599
yeah, yeah, another terrible man
so he had these polygamous sex like

483
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:12.920
sects. Sects, yeahs like sex
like I can't, like, I don't

484
00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:22.199
have any means, but no,
we're not but yeahs, oh my god,

485
00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:27.480
I can't, okay. So yeah, and these were in Utah,

486
00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:31.760
Arizona, and Colorado. And also
he had also been born in Chihuahwa,

487
00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:37.440
Colonia. Dublan is where he was
born and it's still there, but now

488
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:40.159
it's just like a town with a
small normal normal as normal as they can't

489
00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:45.679
be Mormon population. This was an
actual like big church or cult whatever.

490
00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:50.159
There was almost a thousand members,
I want to say, and they were

491
00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:52.800
you know, led by an elderly
council like like the Mormon church, but

492
00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:57.960
they did polygamy. This is the
FLDS right right, because they're not the

493
00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:02.800
same as the LDS. So so
the brothers took leadership roles in this church,

494
00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:07.079
but by nineteen fifty five they were
over it. They were like were

495
00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:12.239
too important for this or like they
need their own thing. Yeah. Yeah.

496
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:16.159
So then Joel announced he was the
one who inherited the mantle of profit

497
00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:21.000
from his father, and this was
nicely fifty five. They surprised a lot

498
00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:23.599
of people because They thought Irville would
be the one to make this announcement because

499
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:27.719
you know, he was more charismatic, he was better looking, he was

500
00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:30.920
taller. Thought Joel was better looking. Now it was Irville. Did I

501
00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:36.320
say it wrong? And yeah,
I'm pretty sure you said it the other

502
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:39.679
way. Did I pull the little
dyslexia and switch my words? Mm hmm,

503
00:38:40.039 --> 00:38:43.639
okay, but now we get it
straight. So so when you were

504
00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:46.639
saying that, I was trying to
remember the Donkey series I watched and I

505
00:38:46.719 --> 00:38:50.679
was like, I don't remember them
saying that about Irville. You were like,

506
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:53.800
this sounds wrong, But now you're
it makes more sense now, Okay,

507
00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:59.880
totally my bad. Yeah, it's
supposed to be Irville is the hottie,

508
00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:05.159
okay, and that's by their standards. And I was like, I

509
00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:13.639
don't think so for you, not
us, not us, okay. So

510
00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:20.199
so yeah, they thought it would
be Earvil who would like try and take

511
00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:22.199
this role, but it wasn't.
It was Joel. Earvil happily followed in

512
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:27.400
his brother's leadership. They were thirty
four to three two at this point in

513
00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:31.800
their lives. Joel traveled to Utah, where he had to register his church

514
00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:37.119
because there's paperwork apparently for this and
like we're gonna be fts like blah blah

515
00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:40.119
blah. I don't know how does
that work? Anyway, he named it

516
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:45.000
the church. It was called the
Church of the Firstborn of the Fullness of

517
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:50.519
Time. Oh, they really just
loved the Church of the First Born,

518
00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:55.679
like mm hmmmmm. Yeah. So
the brothers would travel back and forth in

519
00:39:55.719 --> 00:40:00.440
the US and Mexico spreading the word
of their church. Joel was the prophet

520
00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:06.360
and Irville was the patriarch. And
so then they returned to Mexico to find

521
00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:10.960
non family members. They even like
took followers from Rulan Alred. It's so

522
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:15.480
hard for me to say that name
because like rural. Sure, yes,

523
00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:19.679
that's why. That's why. Okay, now it makes sense. So yeah,

524
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:24.000
they took followers from him to By
the nineteen early nineteen sixties, they

525
00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:30.199
had five hundred members. And Irville
was very flashy compared to Joel. He

526
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:35.239
had like a really nice car,
really expensive clothes, and Joel SSI drove

527
00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:39.920
like the old family truck that belonged
to his father and was not flashy at

528
00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:45.719
all. Irville also avoided the hard
work that had to be done at the

529
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:50.199
ranch because it was a growing community
all the time. They had to,

530
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:53.000
like I don't know, farm and
build things, you know. But he

531
00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:57.239
didn't do any of that. He
was too good for it. Apparently what

532
00:40:57.400 --> 00:41:01.880
he did do was merry a lot
of everyone and their mom. Yeah.

533
00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:08.760
So he told members that God told
him that God had given him the right

534
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:14.679
to decide who girls really because I
started in like age sixteen, they decided

535
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:19.039
like when or who someone was gonna
marry. So he had this right.

536
00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:21.800
He was the one who decide this
and like most of the time he decided

537
00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:25.920
himself very Uh, what's that guy's
name, Jeff warrens of him or if

538
00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:30.239
Warren Jeff's I know we were talking
about and it's something like that. I

539
00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:35.679
just can't remember exactly. It's one
of the two, yeah, one of

540
00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:39.079
the two. So yeah, he
started collecting more and more wives. Side

541
00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:45.400
the ages of the wives got younger
and younger. Yeah, so, but

542
00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:47.199
yeah, I started getting younger and
younger, Like he married a seventeen year

543
00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:52.119
old and then a thirteen year old. In nineteen sixty one, he started

544
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:57.719
abusing the sister of the sex seventeen
year old the younger sister who was twelve,

545
00:41:59.880 --> 00:42:04.920
and he used the Bible to justify
the marriages to these young girls,

546
00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:07.800
you know, teens. He said
that Virgin Mary was fourteen when she married

547
00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:13.079
Jesus Christ, and I mean,
I guess this was good enough remembers Joseph.

548
00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:16.440
My bad when he didn't. It
never says her age, right,

549
00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:22.239
or when she marries Joseph she's yeah, she's thirteen. I think she's anywhere

550
00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:25.199
from twelve to fourteen. Oh,
my bad, I'm getting confused with it

551
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:30.679
doesn't say her age when she gets
pregnant by Je's with Jesus, right,

552
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:35.639
Yeah, she's around the same age
because she's marrying Joseph. It's happened almost

553
00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:37.719
at the same time. Yeah,
it happens at the same time when she

554
00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:39.880
gets married to Joseph, she's pregnant
with Jesus. Huh. I don't know

555
00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:44.599
why I thought it never outright said
her age, but that people just assumed

556
00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:49.079
because of the practices of the time. But I think at the time,

557
00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:53.440
back then it was like it wasn't
abnormal for young people died like at thirty,

558
00:42:53.639 --> 00:42:59.400
so at fourteen that was like half
their life. I think that also

559
00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:04.639
depends what. I don't know if
it's connected to to her menstruation, but

560
00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:07.239
it's anywhere from twelve to fourteen oh
when she started. I've heard it very

561
00:43:08.199 --> 00:43:14.559
I think she was supposed to like
be pregnant either before or right after she

562
00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:17.880
got married to Joseph, because he
never touched her and she was already pregnant.

563
00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:22.719
See, I thought she got married
because she was pregnant. I could

564
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:25.000
have been that too, I think
so. I think the angel came and

565
00:43:25.159 --> 00:43:30.039
said, Bam, baby, Jesus
is in. You now find a husband.

566
00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:32.199
But I think they were already like
it was already arranged, Like their

567
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:37.480
marriage was already arranged. And that's
why I like the angel is supposed to

568
00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:40.119
go to Joseph, and the Angel
told Joseph, hey, like this ain't

569
00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:44.440
your baby, but this is God's
baby, so protect her and the child.

570
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:49.280
But I think they were already they
were already arranged to be married.

571
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:53.559
But I don't remember if she was
pregnant before the marriage or like what.

572
00:43:53.840 --> 00:43:59.480
I wasn't sure of myself though,
like I thought the Mormons just like original

573
00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:02.119
Mary meant a thing to them.
It pretty much does it as far as

574
00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:08.280
I know, only the the Orthodox
Catholic Church, the Roman Catholic Church.

575
00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:13.880
It's interesting because the Mormons have their
own book, so but I guess they

576
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:22.119
still use them doing yeah yeah,
Also like Jesus also doesn't like mean anything

577
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:25.440
to them, right, because that's
their profit is like Joseph Smith, Joseph

578
00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:28.519
Smith, I don't know, I
don't know, know, it's all weird.

579
00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:30.840
Yeah, Like I like, I'm
pretty sure Joseph Smith is more important

580
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:36.400
than Jesus and that and Madia they
don't care about her either, So he

581
00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:38.480
was just like looking for any excuse
that, don't say. They just look

582
00:44:38.519 --> 00:44:45.119
through the book and pool whatever fits
what they want to do and twist it

583
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:50.679
too, like they give it the
interpretation because like like even when you read

584
00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:57.159
like theological texts, it's going to
mean something different to everybody, Like to

585
00:44:57.320 --> 00:45:00.119
you it means something. To me, it means something different, and they

586
00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:01.760
use the same thing. But yeah, as far as I know, they

587
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:08.239
don't have any devotion to Mary or
as you said, maybe like it's questionable

588
00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:14.360
to Jesus. Mm hmm. Yeah, yeah, so it's he's just using

589
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:17.199
whatever he can to justify his pedophilia. Yeah, so yeah, he was

590
00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:22.719
a pedo. But also he had
a habit of stealing wives. So just

591
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:29.239
like Jeff Forren, or whatever his
name is. Yeah, pretty much one

592
00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:32.280
of the two. Yeah. Yeah, the wife's stealing was the thing that

593
00:45:32.360 --> 00:45:37.280
started causing problems between the two brothers. Not the pedophilia. No, the

594
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:42.760
wife's stealing. Well that's fine according
to them. Yeah, Rville's childhood friend

595
00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:45.559
went on a trip back to the
US from Mexico and then he returned to

596
00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:49.559
the colony. It wasn't even a
long trip. I couldn't find the exact

597
00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:52.519
time, but it was a short
trip. And then he took his wife.

598
00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:57.880
He was gone for the weekend and
then I don't know how long it

599
00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:00.480
was, but it was not that
long. He loved at six am and

600
00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:07.079
came back at six pm something something. So by the time making back,

601
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:12.239
his wife had been divorced and was
already married to Irville. Oh God,

602
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:19.400
ohing go so that guy. He
complained to Joel, who then declared that

603
00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:22.800
God gave him a vision that a
woman had to wait six months after a

604
00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:27.320
divorce before remarrying. And then Irville
was like, what the fuck, bro?

605
00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:32.880
So it was it was causing tensions
between the two brothers. And yeah,

606
00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:37.440
this distension was growing between the two
in nineteen sixty four, it was

607
00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:42.159
too much for Joel. Joel's like, I'm gonna go to Baja California.

608
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:45.719
I'm going to start a new church, a new branch of our church in

609
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:51.719
this place called Las Molinos. And
I accidentally kept writing last Molinas, So

610
00:46:51.800 --> 00:46:53.920
if I didn't change it in my
notes, No, it's Molinos. It

611
00:46:54.119 --> 00:46:59.159
sounds. Yeah, it's wrong,
it sounds wrong, but that's what it

612
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:04.440
said, last Molinos. That's hard. Feel like Molina's makes morcise, Yeah,

613
00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:07.639
it doesn't. It doesn't roll off
the tongue. So Las Molinos that's

614
00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:10.400
where he was going to establish this
new branch of their church, and so

615
00:47:10.519 --> 00:47:15.679
he was starting to spend more time
down there than in colonial le Baron and

616
00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:19.840
Irville Erville was not in charge,
of course he was. So yes,

617
00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:25.840
Erville became obsessed with punishments described in
the Old Testament. Yeah, he was

618
00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:30.760
preaching that it was their responsibility,
the church's responsibility, to take up arms

619
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:37.159
against their enemies, which included non
believers and anyone who didn't recognize the liberons

620
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:42.639
as like the prophets. So everyone, everybody, oh, the rest of

621
00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:45.480
the world got it. This started
to scare members because that's not what they

622
00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:49.039
signed up for. Like Joel was
peaceful, he was just like we're just

623
00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:52.800
gonna be polygamous over here. Whatever, Okay, we just want to have

624
00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:55.400
like ten wives. That's it.
I didn't come to fight have ten wives.

625
00:47:55.480 --> 00:48:00.480
We're gonna let men abuse children.
But other than that, it's fine.

626
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:07.679
Yeah, but no, not rervil
so rvil sermons started getting crazy,

627
00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:13.719
Like he started his sermons started lasting
twenty four hours and people couldn't leave,

628
00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:19.159
so he would spend days a week, which is another symptom of schizophrenia.

629
00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:22.679
Also, just like the ability to
talk for twenty four hours straight, that's

630
00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:28.440
not right. Damn. Yeah.
And I also like want to share I

631
00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:31.599
guess now before we get deeper into
this episode, like this man should have

632
00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:36.960
been diagnosed with schizophrenia, but he
saw this as like a religious thing instead.

633
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:39.760
And we're not like clowning on schizophrenia
at all. It's a real thing.

634
00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:45.119
It's demonized in like the media,
but like this man justified what he

635
00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:51.000
was doing through religion, and it's
not that oh it's like another evil schizophrenic

636
00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:52.880
person. No, Like that's not
what we're doing here. I'm just like

637
00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:57.679
we're pointing out that he should have
been treated and like maybe all of this

638
00:48:57.760 --> 00:49:00.679
could have been prevented, right,
but also not as because sophenic people have

639
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:07.280
these violent tendencies. He was raised
in this like very very religious, strict

640
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:10.920
setting. There was already violence in
the home from his father too, So

641
00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:15.000
just like all these things made him
more violent. The fact that it continued

642
00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:19.599
to go untreated, it just gets
worse. And like, yeah, we're

643
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:22.079
like, you know, laughing and
making jokes, but I don't want anyone

644
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:23.719
to think, like, oh,
we're laughing at schizophrenia, Like that's not

645
00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:28.960
at all. Yeah, but it
also reminds me of genemic. Herdi in

646
00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:32.239
her book how she talks about because
it's like a thing in Mormon, uh,

647
00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:37.039
the Mormon religion where they're literally taught
that they each have a voice and

648
00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:39.760
a connection with God, and they
the voice in their head is God talking

649
00:49:39.800 --> 00:49:45.079
to them. So it's like the
inner monologue. I don't know what they

650
00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:47.320
call it. It's like I thought
they call it like a voice, like

651
00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:51.559
an inner voice or goal something like
that. But yeah, like the thought,

652
00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:54.440
like, yeah, they call it
the inner voice. Yeah, and

653
00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:59.559
for like us, we have an
inner monologue, but they're not like these

654
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:04.519
random thoughts that come out of nowhere. Yeah. So then in her book,

655
00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:08.840
she has Uh, she has OCD. She's diagnosed with OCD, and

656
00:50:09.159 --> 00:50:14.880
so she had these like obsessive compulsive
thoughts. But she like ever since she

657
00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:19.960
was little, but she thinks it's
her voice with God, like her connection

658
00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:22.400
with God, and so she it
takes her a long time to realize it's

659
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:25.599
a mental health issue and to get
the help that she needs to treat her

660
00:50:25.639 --> 00:50:30.320
mental health issue. And so like
it's a common thing. Yes, okay,

661
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:36.880
that makes sense because I was like
inner monologues what but yeah, I

662
00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:38.039
was like, before we get any
further, we should say that. But

663
00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:44.360
yeah, so let's go back to
this where was Yeah, Irville was left

664
00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:49.800
in charge, he was getting more
off the handle, more violent. His

665
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:54.559
sermons started becoming violent themselves, Like
he was talking about wars with their enemies,

666
00:50:54.760 --> 00:50:59.840
things that were not a thing before. He started carrying a pistol at

667
00:50:59.880 --> 00:51:05.719
all times. He started telling members
that the US government and the Knights of

668
00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:10.079
Columbus were gonna come after them for
practicing their religion. Things that just didn't

669
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:15.360
make sense. Also, sorry,
really quick, and there's like a huge

670
00:51:15.440 --> 00:51:19.880
thing with Mormons because of how they
were, you know, pushed from one

671
00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:23.119
state to other because of Joseph's myth, mostly because he was a con man.

672
00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:27.360
Really, yeah, but they were
pushed like from state to state.

673
00:51:27.400 --> 00:51:30.280
They weren't allowed, like and they
were persecuted because you know, of the

674
00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:34.400
Polimans, certain whatever things. But
now now they're not, you know,

675
00:51:34.519 --> 00:51:38.079
it's mainstream, but they have like
a persecution complex because of their history.

676
00:51:38.840 --> 00:51:43.639
So like that's feeding into his thoughts. Also, yes, and I was

677
00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:46.880
gonna say, it doesn't help that
paranoid thoughts that people are coming after you

678
00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:53.159
is another symptom, yeah to him, like all these things conflated within him.

679
00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:58.559
Yeah yeah, yeah, so yeah
again instead of seeing it, and

680
00:51:58.639 --> 00:52:01.320
even if they saw it and reccognize
it as a sign of a as a

681
00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:06.079
symptom of something, they wouldn't get
help because they don't believe in it either.

682
00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:15.480
Yeah. So Joel started hearing about
what was going down in Colonia Levarone,

683
00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:20.519
and so he flew from Las Molinos
and tried to tell everyone like,

684
00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:23.639
hey, don't listen to Irvil.
I'm in charge, I'm the prophet where

685
00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:29.400
Rvil's preaching is like not, there's
that's not our beliefs. But then he

686
00:52:29.559 --> 00:52:31.679
left again, and then Erville just
kept preaching the same things, and he

687
00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:35.920
was like, also, Joe's a
little bit like he's not strong enough to

688
00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:38.599
be the leader. That's why he
came over here, set all this nonsense

689
00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:43.599
and left. But I'm here right
like I'm the one that's here. So

690
00:52:43.719 --> 00:52:49.280
he just kept doing that. Tensions
were growing between them also to and on

691
00:52:49.400 --> 00:52:53.519
top of that, Joel wanted to
make loss last Last Molinos. He wanted

692
00:52:53.559 --> 00:53:00.679
to make less Molinos a farming community
for newly converted members. Joel wanted to

693
00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:05.599
make it into a resort for Americans
to make money because they needed that much

694
00:53:05.719 --> 00:53:12.199
smarter move Honestly, it's also like
them not religious one though, that's true,

695
00:53:12.400 --> 00:53:16.360
that's true, And so Irville went
as far as to like sneak gliat

696
00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:22.280
his name to the title and then
not put Joel down. And so then

697
00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:30.079
he owned Las Molinos. That's going
to be an issue Las Molinos. And

698
00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:36.679
this was like the last straw for
Joel. He was like, Ervol's getting

699
00:53:36.719 --> 00:53:39.360
out of hand. He needs to
be replaced as a patriarch. And in

700
00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:45.800
nineteen sixty nine he flew back to
griinal Le Baron and he told Joel or

701
00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:51.719
he told Irville that he was being
demoted and now their younger brother, Verlin

702
00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:57.239
would take over as patriarch. And
yes it rhymes with erman damn. That

703
00:53:57.360 --> 00:54:00.920
was my thought. Mm hmmm,
yeah, I mean these names. I

704
00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:07.360
don't know Irville, Verlin, I
don't know. Joel is normal, other

705
00:54:07.480 --> 00:54:12.559
names. Joel is normal, Yeah, the only one. So yeah,

706
00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:22.960
erv I kept accidentally writing yeah.
So Irville accepted his emotion graciously. Surprisingly,

707
00:54:23.039 --> 00:54:28.719
he even cried. The three brothers
cried together. But this didn't last

708
00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:37.559
long. He returned to the members
and he started making this list of or

709
00:54:37.840 --> 00:54:39.880
he already had a list of like
who were God's enemies, and so now

710
00:54:40.039 --> 00:54:45.000
Joel was on that list. Whenever
they started making a list. That's not

711
00:54:45.079 --> 00:54:49.639
good. No, no, But
Joel had no idea that the list included

712
00:54:49.719 --> 00:54:55.639
him or the list existed, damning. Joel desire, clueless, doesn't know

713
00:54:55.679 --> 00:55:01.320
what's coming. He really doesn't.
So by nineties, everyone Joel told Arville

714
00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:07.119
that he was going to be excommunicated
because because since his emotion, Ervill kept

715
00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:14.880
trying to plan munities against Joel mutinies. Yeah, what did I say?

716
00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:24.559
I think you said communities. Thanks, Carmen. It's part of my contraction

717
00:55:24.639 --> 00:55:29.280
occasions. It is to correct me. Yeah, I can't read, so

718
00:55:29.840 --> 00:55:32.679
or write. Sometimes I switch words
around, letters, inside words, numbers,

719
00:55:32.760 --> 00:55:37.320
you know. So yes, spice
it up, you know, make

720
00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:40.960
it less bar make you think.
You have to think about what she's saying.

721
00:55:42.039 --> 00:55:50.679
Now you have to guess. So
yeah, he kept planning to overthrow

722
00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:58.559
Joel, which you can't do.
You can stop, Okay, tell mom

723
00:55:59.039 --> 00:56:07.920
yo, wait, Mom's not helping. No, so Earthl didn't stop fucking

724
00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:12.880
Irvil. He's like, you're gonna
excommunicate me. No, So instead he

725
00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:16.000
wrote back a letter that he received
a vision from God he was the prophet,

726
00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:21.760
not just of course, and that
Firstborn followers had to leave the church

727
00:56:21.880 --> 00:56:25.400
and join his church, the Church
of the Firstborn of the Lamb of God.

728
00:56:27.079 --> 00:56:30.000
I'm telling you, they love the
Church of the Firstborn. So only

729
00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:34.719
a few people left and joined the
church. And this isn't like like Joel

730
00:56:34.800 --> 00:56:37.199
thought or not Joel Irvill Irvil thought
everyone was gonna leave and join him.

731
00:56:38.760 --> 00:56:43.519
But no, that didn't happen.
Only some people left, some people deflected,

732
00:56:44.079 --> 00:56:47.039
most people stayed with Joel. Some
people fled back to the US.

733
00:56:47.159 --> 00:56:51.639
They were like, this isn't looking
good. The brothers are fighting, Like

734
00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:53.800
what are they gonna do? It's
getting more violent, so some people just

735
00:56:53.840 --> 00:57:00.559
completely that would have been the move. Yeah, So then Joel officially excommunicated

736
00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:04.960
Irvil, but this didn't mean anything
to Irvil. He had already declared himself

737
00:57:05.000 --> 00:57:07.480
the prophet, right, So then
Irville was like, you know what,

738
00:57:07.840 --> 00:57:14.960
Joel has committed treason against God.
The punishment for treason his death. Ervill

739
00:57:15.039 --> 00:57:17.800
kept preaching that he was a prophet. He was going to be the one

740
00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:22.400
to set in order the House of
God before the end of the world,

741
00:57:22.519 --> 00:57:27.039
because now things were getting apocalyptic they
weren't before. So then he told his

742
00:57:27.159 --> 00:57:30.000
followers that the end of the world
included a fight between him and a false

743
00:57:30.119 --> 00:57:34.519
prophet, and he never named the
prophet, but it was obviously Joel.

744
00:57:35.159 --> 00:57:42.599
He was was a thing called before
sub tweeting yeah yeah, oh yes,

745
00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:46.239
okay, so yeah, Joel was
the false prophet, and that there was

746
00:57:46.280 --> 00:57:51.519
going to be a global religion that
he was going to head on as the

747
00:57:51.639 --> 00:57:55.719
prophet. And that's that's the things
he was telling everyone. He was also

748
00:57:57.000 --> 00:58:01.800
telling everyone, or I guess,
training everyone to be part of this army

749
00:58:01.880 --> 00:58:07.400
that was gonna take on the world. I guess because they were everyone else

750
00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:12.320
was God's enemy. Right, so
and Joel Joel needed to die so in

751
00:58:13.119 --> 00:58:15.880
August nineteen seventy two. Actually,
maybe this is where I should end part

752
00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:20.159
one. I think so. I
think so this is a good place to

753
00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:24.440
wrap up part one because this is
basically the history of the cult. It

754
00:58:24.519 --> 00:58:30.079
gets us up to the point where
the murdering starts. Okay, so yeah,

755
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:32.719
I think it's a good place to
wrap up. It gets it gets

756
00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:42.159
terrible. Yeah, it's gonna be
bad in part two. Yikes. Okay,

757
00:58:42.239 --> 00:58:46.599
well, I guess before we go
spooky recommendations? Does anyone have any

758
00:58:47.480 --> 00:58:52.760
I haven't done, like, read
or watched anything spooky aside from reading the

759
00:58:52.880 --> 00:58:57.360
book Club book, which is the
s see Oh my god not then that,

760
00:58:58.480 --> 00:59:05.360
which is yes, yes, Do
you have any speaky recommendations? No,

761
00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:12.920
I don't. I have been rewatching
the cartoon Avatar last Airbnger. Oh,

762
00:59:13.000 --> 00:59:16.159
I love that. I have to
watch this. I'm teasing three already,

763
00:59:16.360 --> 00:59:22.920
and then that's that's it. Okay, Okay. I do have a

764
00:59:23.000 --> 00:59:30.239
recommendation because it's something that I worked
on. There's a new Scary FM podcast.

765
00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:34.239
Scary of FM is venturing into true
crime. This is the first true

766
00:59:34.280 --> 00:59:37.679
crime show on there it's called the
murders. Oh, I feel like I

767
00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:44.599
said that weird because I was like, the same murders. It's called the

768
00:59:44.679 --> 00:59:50.599
murders. And yeah, once in
a while I will research and write episodes.

769
00:59:50.679 --> 00:59:53.679
But then like Edwin, the host
and former guests he's been on here,

770
00:59:54.440 --> 00:59:58.800
host of a bunch of scary podcasts, are all great. He'll like,

771
00:59:58.920 --> 01:00:00.719
you know, grab the script and
just like perfect it and then you

772
01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:06.159
know, the episode is released.
So the first one is about the machete

773
01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:10.559
murders, which happened in California in
Yuba City, Yuba City area, and

774
01:00:12.039 --> 01:00:15.000
it's just gonna it's like the podcast
is gonna be about like a series of

775
01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:19.800
murders. So like that was the
machete murders, but then there's like other

776
01:00:19.960 --> 01:00:23.239
cases that are like the railroad railroad
murders or like things like that. So

777
01:00:23.360 --> 01:00:27.679
that's the kind of stuff that it's
gonna cover, and it's gonna be trying

778
01:00:27.840 --> 01:00:30.320
like through the lens of like how
it affected the community, you know,

779
01:00:30.519 --> 01:00:36.280
making sure that victims are names and
that they're important, and then like obviously

780
01:00:36.440 --> 01:00:40.440
not glimorizing serial killers because fuck that
noise, and it's it's just like a

781
01:00:40.559 --> 01:00:45.960
straight narrow narrated podcast. No like
opinions interjected for people that like prefer that

782
01:00:46.519 --> 01:00:52.199
not like us. But yeah,
that's the podcast. I'm gonna put it

783
01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:53.480
in the show notes because I want
people to listen, because I wrote it.

784
01:00:54.559 --> 01:01:00.800
I'll check it out. I'm just
over here watching you guys eating my

785
01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:13.039
bread bull I knew you're reading.
Damn you're dying. Christina is dying from

786
01:01:13.079 --> 01:01:19.320
a hiccup attack. Ho she survives. Thank you everyone for listening. And

787
01:01:21.079 --> 01:01:23.679
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788
01:01:23.800 --> 01:01:38.440
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789
01:01:38.519 --> 01:01:44.599
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790
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popular shirt if you like his street.

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My other podcast Istodia's Unknown, hosted
with the unofficial official guest co host of

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a Spooky Tales, Carmen, And
if you like no velast, checkout Novelaskosito,

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which Carmen and I also host together. And yeah, we love every

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single listen every single a spooky thank
you so much stay as spooky