UFOs in the Skies- Listener Stories with Chaz of the Dead

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Hi everyone, This is Christina and
today there's no MJ. She ditched me.

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I don't know what she's doing.
I guess better things on a lovely

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Sunday than recording with me. I
don't know what could be better. Anyway,

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I have a lovely guest today,
chats you want to tell the spooky's

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high and a little bit about yourself
and so on. Hey, thanks for

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having me on. And I can't
imagine anything better than talking about UFOs on

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a Sunday. Right. Yeah,
I'm Chaz a k Chas of the Dead.

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You can find me on all the
social media's at that handle. And

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yeah, I'm a paranormal investigator,
sometimes author, sometimes psycho not. I

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do most of my writing for Paranormality
magazine, and I love researching all things

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of paranormal, whether it's ghosts,
supicabras, UFOs, everything in between.

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And so yeah, I'm happy to
be on and to share one of my

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weirdest experiences with you. I'm so
excited to hear it. Don't remember if

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I said it. I probably didn't, but we're talking about UFOs today.

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So that's why Chatz is here.
Because I was like, who has a

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UFO story? And he was like, oh, I do, and then

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I was like, do tell,
and then we set this up and that's

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how that happened. So we're here. Yeah, I've got a weird one

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and I'm excited to share. So
thanks for having me on. So I

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have like three that were sent in
by listeners. I did. I don't

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have you checked out threads? Oh
you are on there. I have to

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say if I'm following you, I
don't know if I am. Well,

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I think if automatically follows whoever you
have on Instagram, all your Instagram friends.

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I think I don't know. Okay, I think I've looked at it

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a couple of times. Me too, me too, and then I'm like

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whatever, then I get back out. So I haven't used it in a

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little bit. But the other day
I was like, send you year UFO

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stories and I'll get a UFO tattoo. But I was already planning on.

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But yeah, but you know what, I have it. So I did

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it for you guys because you guys
sent me in your stories. No,

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I was already gonna get it.
It's so tiny. It's cute though.

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Here, let me let me see
if you can see it. Oh,

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that's great. Yeah, Yeah,
I'm so excited. There was a there

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was a shop in town that was
doing a flash day and one of the

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sheets had a tiny litteryo funnels Like
I'm going, I waited in line for

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like three hours worth it. That's
awesome, very cool. Yeah, yeah,

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I know UFOs are something I think
I do all the paranormal stuff,

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but UFOs I think takes the bulk
of my time these days, just because

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it's you know, everyone's talking about
it. There's constantly new information, new

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sightings. Yeah, as the technology
has gotten better, people are seeing these

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things for man, and so it's
it's something that requires constant re examination.

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Yeah. Did you hear that weird
story that came out of Vegas, Like

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I was like a month ago.
I think it was like the tall reptilian

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aliens. Yeah. Yeah, there
was some like some people that saw them

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in their backyard and then they called
the police and the police win and you

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can hear them get there, like
and their body counts and they're like,

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my partners saw like something weird.
Like you can hear them saying that in

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their whatever police videos, And I
was like, creepy, but I haven't

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seen anything else about it. But
I guess the guy or the lawyer for

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the families asking people not to trespass, because I guess people have been trespassing

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for sure. That happens no matter
what. And fellow paranormal enthusiasts out there,

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don't be that guy. Come on, you know, please write an

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email and if they don't write you
back, or if they write you back

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and they don't want you there,
go away, don't show up. You

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know, they'll be that guy.
Yeah, but yeah, I actually do

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find those cases somewhat more intriguing.
I know a lot of people, especially

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who aren't two into UFOs. They're
more interested in like the government whistleblowers and

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that kind of stuff. And I've
been in it for a while and that

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stuff doesn't really do anything where I'm
like, I don't trust those those guys

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as far as I can throw them. But you say you saw an alien,

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now, like, let me yeah
a little more about that. Now

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that being said, I do sit
kind of on the fence on the UFO

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issue. I think it depends on
how I wake up in the morning,

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whether I think it's it's aliens or
extra dimensional entities or whatever, or if

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it's government misinformation mixed with secret planes, and yeah, I tend to think

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maybe it's it's somewhere in the middle. That being said, my personal UFO

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experience is very high strangeness and weird. Okay, I'm so excited, so

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yeah, I'll just dive on into
it. So, as the Moniker suggests,

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Chas of the Dead, I started
in much more of a like ghost

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hunting background. You know. I
was like a pre teen watching ghost Adventures

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and my parents very supportive. They
were like, here's a Wuiji board and

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order. They're like, go for
it. Whatever you're obvious, here's your

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EVP recorder. So that kind of
like led me down that route, and

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it was I was doing that for
for quite a while, you know,

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as a hobbyist enthusiast, and I
had found it fun but kind of you

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know, unsatisfying anyone who's watched the
shows, and no one knows what I

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mean. You know, there's never
a ghost like in a jar, you

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know, never that smoking gun proof. There's some weird things here and there,

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and otherwise it's kind of just an
excuse to hang out with your buddies

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and at night and a spooky place. But as as many South Florida youth

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into my teen years, I was
exposed to some psychedelic substances. Wow.

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You know, some people were like, oh, this is great, let's

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go to you know, raves and
and take a bunch of this. I

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was like, no, no,
no, we need to go ghost hunting.

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I immediately, I immediately saw the
application of these psychedelics and you know,

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a paranormal framework. And of course
there's despite you know, colonialism's best

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efforts, there are remnants of that, that shamanistic tradition throughout the world,

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particularly in the Americas and in Africa, where these substances are ritually used to

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communicate with entities, you know,
wherever. Those entities called various names,

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but it's you know that that same
motif exists. Oh, not to interrupt

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you, but I'm doing it right
now anyway. But did the kids I

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went missing in the Amazon, the
the indigenous like spiritual leaders that helped find

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them, did take I think it
was, yes, to communicate with spirits

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or with entities. So it just
applies to exactly what you just said,

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works man, I'm telling you,
yeah, I really I feel like what

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what existed here, especially in South
America, was more of a science,

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right we And it's It's kind of
interesting because you see the duality through historians.

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They look at the shaman as one, as this healer, as the

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doctor, as the medicine man of
the village, and clearly he understands how

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to heal and remedies and various plant
potions and things like that, and then

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they do these psychedelic stuff, and
that's religion, that's the religious aspect of

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the shamanism. You know, we
kind of write that off with, Oh,

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it's you know, they're weird,
they're taking drugs and being weird.

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When an actuality, you know,
those shamans communicated very clearly. No,

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it's it's all the same thing.
I'm communicating with nature. I'm communing with

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This is a science, and we
kind of wrote off a large portion of

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that science. We cherry picked some
stuff to make pharmaceuticals, but other than

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that, we wrote off the largest, you know, and portion of that

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and essentially eliminated those practitioners, the
people who understood that. So unfortunately,

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we're kind of left at the few
paranormal investigators out there taking this this psychedelic

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strategy. We're kind of left in
the dark, kind of trying to piece

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back together what I firmly believe a
thousand years ago, if you were here

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in the Americas, they'd be like, oh, no, this is how

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it works. They would be able
to explain it to me, and I'll

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be like, oh, that makes
sense if I could speak you know,

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shoshono or whatever. Despite being left
in the dark, it's still fun taking

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the shots, so I did.
I started to develop using psychedelics in this

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you know, paranormal landscape, and
that is about when the UFOs started showing

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up in my research. WHOA okay? And so it was specifically with a

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experiment I was doing with magic mushroom
teas and the Luigi board. I was

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doing these seances and doing different blends
of teas and you know, adding some

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some slight opium leaves with this one. And I was trying all kinds of

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different blends based on some very sketchy
research I do not recommend. There were

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some of them that had some negative
health effects, but paranormally, I was

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like, I'm onto something. I'm
like working towards something here. Unfortunately,

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during the seances though, nothing would
happen, right, you know everyone,

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it sounds like that's like the way
to get possessed, right, Taking mushrooms,

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right, I wish I got nothing. I was just hanging out looking

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at a piece of cardboard, essentially
waiting for some plastic to move. There

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were some weird things here or there, but nothing outside of the realm of

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being on psychedelics. You know.
It was more emotional waves. Nothing that

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was not uncommon for you know,
being real high. But it was the

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times in between the experiments and the
days after, and I would do these,

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you know, every other weekend or
so, and so in these these

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spans in between, I started to
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the first couple of ones they were
just you know, weird objects and they

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kind of darted off, and I
was like, oh, maybe maybe that's

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nothing, you know whatever. I
wrote it off. The one that I

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was like, okay, that was
definitely something. It was. I was

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watching there were planes in the sky, you know, blinking, and there

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was this one that was a consistent
light. Sun's going down, it's hitting

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it orange glow, you know,
nice Florida sunset, and this objects suddenly

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almost explodes in a weird way.
It bursts into several smaller like spheres and

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they scatter off in different directions,
and I was like, oh wow,

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I was gobsmack, and it was
it almost looked like you know in Star

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Wars when a spaceship crashes to the
planet and it blows up into like a

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bunch of pieces and scatters, and
you know, we're in Florida. So

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I thought maybe it was a messed
up rocket launch or something re entering.

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But I went through all the scientific
news. No one, no one saw

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it. No one I was reported
it. There were some weird sphere sightings

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of UFOs reported to move on that
night, but other than that, no

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no one saw that weird scattering of
objects. And so again I'm not actively

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on the substances, but I'm pretty
skeptical of what I'm seeing still, you

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know, the system whatnot. And
it wasn't until I was I was hanging

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out with a friend and I was
just discussing this with him, and he

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was he was doing what probably a
lot of the listeners are doing right now,

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like, okay, dude, wig
boards, mushrooms, UFOs, Like,

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this guy's clearly insane. You've lost
the plot. Whats going on?

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And I said, you know what, Yeah, when I say it,

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when you lay it out like that, it does sound insane and when I

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after we had had this conversation,
I was just about to like write it

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off, and we started to hear
this this metallic holm. Oh my god.

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Sure enough we look up and just
above the tree line, I mean

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it was low. I couldn't hit
it with a rock. It was like,

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right above the tree line was one
of those classic black triangles, light

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in each corner, kind of a
weird circle, darker shade in the center,

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and it just cruised right over us
continued on and my buddy had never

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failed anything paranormal before. You had
never seen a ghost store UFOs, and

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he had not really been interested in
the subject. And he was just like,

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well shit, if he hadn't been
there, I might have written it

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off, like like the other few
sightings I had seen. But that was

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the moment where I was like,
oh no, something's going on here.

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And it was really the for me, the paradigm shattering where I was like,

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Okay, I got a ghosts and
UFOs and bigfoot and psychedelics consciousness.

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Something's going on between all of those. It's not just one subject. You

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can't look at just one subject.
All of these things are are connected in

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some way. Now that could be
you know, on some kind of quantum

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physics level. It could be simply
through our shared you know, Carl Jung's

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collective unconscious. It could be something
that is simply a weird, you know,

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survival mechanism we've we've inherited through millions
of years of solution. Either way,

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it's something something's going on because you
know, again we both sat there

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and had that you know, kind
of reality shattering experience, and we both

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saw it together. It's so strange
that like you were telling your friend about

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it, and that's it was like, oh, by the way, I'm

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right here, like so intentional.
Oh yeah, for sure. It's one

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of those moments and your investigators talk
about it where it's the phenomenon looks back

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at you. And for me,
that still is I think the pinnacle moment

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of my career of it looking back
at me, because it was it was

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at that moment where I was like, you know what, maybe I am

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crazy, maybe blot, maybe I
haven't wasting my time and taking way too

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many psychedelics, which the latter was
probably still true. Yeah, but it

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was it was almost a nod of
sorts, you know. It was like,

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no, I know, something's going
on. Here, pay attention,

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keep looking and for better or worse
or worse, I've I've kept looking,

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and so yeah, that was that
was my UFO experience. And I've been

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chasing in UFOs and going to hot
spots and following up with witnesses and stories

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and things ever since. Wow.
I mean, and that that's like such

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a clear one too, because like
I I my mom has said that we

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saw when we were all playing basketball
outside and like there was something in the

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sky that nobody knew, and I
don't remember it at all. Like,

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but I also have terrible memory.
There's so many things I don't remember.

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I think I get it now.
I have a DHD and I didn't know

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but until like four months ago,
and that's probably why I can't remember so

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many, so many things. But
I don't remember this at all. And

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apparently everyone that was outside with those
those we were like in high school and

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we go to there was like a
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and it was it was getting dark. It was like the thing was setting

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and it was like just above everyone. And so I think there was like

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maybe ten of us outside, like
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sometimes she played basketball with this weird. But she was outside too, and

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apparently we all ran back inside and
I'm like, I don't remember this,

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neither, just my twin, but
my mom and my brother do it,

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and I'm like, that's so weird. I don't I don't know why we

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don't remember it. They claim I
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know. Well, that memory laps. It's a very common part of the

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phenomenon, and so it's actually something
I wrote about in my first book.

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I wrote this list of similarities between
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particularly UFOs, and the lineups are
pretty crazy from you know, the obvious

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ones, you know, viewing strange
worlds, right that whole spirited away ye,

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going off and seeing weird, unexplainable
landscapes and things like that missing time

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that you know, that notion of
not remembering, having a chunk of time

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missing, or in the reverse,
there's the famous Chilean case of corporal Valdez

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where he disappeared. Yeah, when
he came back, his wats was spun

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forward and he had a beard,
and he hadn't had that. He'd only

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been gone for fifteen minutes. Supposedly, one of my favorite cases. And

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of course you have the reverse in
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gone for a week and he thought
he was only gone for a few days

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or for a few hours. Right. Again, this is something both both

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ways has been described on psychedelic substances. Salvia in particular seems to have that

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effect more often than not, where
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they spent a lifetime even though a
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at the most. It's very similar
to that DMT hit where it's only reef

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and then you're you're back. And
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I've stared at a wall. I
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five minutes and three hours had passed. Yeah, that effect under psychedelics is

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it's quite powerful. But also I
think one of the most intriguing there's seven

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or eight things in the list,
but one of the most intriguing ones I

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think is the initial reaction to paranormal
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with abductees. So when you take
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of unity, this oneness with the
universe, right, like I'm part of

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this grander scheme and nature or this
this euphoria, right, I guess that's

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the word for it, and a
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So those are kind of the reactions
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that euphoria or they're terrified. It's
the same kind of true reactions you get

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amongst abductees whether or not their experience
was traumatic, whether they had weird sexual

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stuff done to them, or simply
they were kidnapped and returned. Those are

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the two reactions. A lot of
people who did the more traumatic stuff still

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come away saying, no, it
was you know, I got this feeling

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that I was part of a bigger, a bigger galactic system and the aliens

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are our friends. And then of
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nope, that was horrible, burn
at all Jesus. They keep these

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these things away from it, and
so yeah, again it's something's going on,

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and it's perhaps there are physical craft. I'm not willing to write it

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off as completely a psychedelic experience,
you know, that's to me what makes

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something parent normal is when something that
sounds psychedelic or nonsensical it leaves a physical

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imprint, whether that's a UFO leaving
a sport or a big foot leaving a

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footprint. It's it's when those hallucinations
break into reality and right again, that's

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that's there could be multiple things occurring
here. And I'm not even convinced that

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necessarily the UFOs are you know,
extramential in that way. Perhaps whatever,

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perhaps they are human craft. In
fact, I've got a whole bunch of

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research suggesting that they are built by
human beings. Oh you know, I

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just learned about this, this like
weird theory, and I didn't know about

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it until like four months ago.
Maybe, But like you supposedly UFOs are

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like actually people but from the futures. Oh yeah, the gray aliens uh

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to have like advanced. I had
no idea about this. Yeah, I

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have heard about graylians like this whole
time, but I didn't know that that

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was like the theory that then like
because of evolution and like the way the

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earth continued and like people had to
like hide away and then like their skin

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got all weird. That's why they're
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Is because they're trying to read themselves
back to being you know, cuman,

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right, Yeah, being cute.
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which is a it's a good theory
and it's an interesting one. But

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again I'm not I don't know.
I think that there's something occurring. Perhaps

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at whatever is occurring, I think
there's this there's this common notion in the

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paranormal of the trickster rights, the
same entity wearing many masks, and I

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think that is still a bit of
a jump, but I think it's close,

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closer to the mark. But I
think whatever's occurring, whatever it is,

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is something beyond our are understanding,
not just our academic understanding, but

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our physical processing power of the brain. And so when we see something,

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we create the mask. Whatever this
space time anomaly is. If you're really

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into bigfoots, you're gonna see something
weird in the woods, it's gonna be

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a big foot. If you're really
into aliens and you see a weird light

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flying through the sky, it's gonna
be aliens. If you only believe the

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angels and demons, dwell, it's
gonna be most likely a demon, but

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maybe an angel. Again, that
duality that euphoria versus terror. It's and

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I think the UFO conundrum really represents
that to a t if you really look

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at the stories from contact ees to
abductees to modern day. We always block

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them off in these eras, but
really, if you listen to the people,

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the essence of the stories, it's
pretty bad. Back and forth throughout

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the decades. They're either here to
save us and they love us and it's

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star Trek, or it's they're they're
evil and they're stealing our souls. Right,

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most things, the answer is probably
somewhere in between. Yes, somewhere

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in the middle. Yeah, they're
doing something, that's for sure. Yeah,

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anything beyond doing something something evil,
something bad. Well, now you're

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making jumps, you're making weeps.
They're doing so good, right, yeah,

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how fascinating. Oh my gosh,
Well, let me read to you

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the listeners stories that we have.
No, that's good, okay. So

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this was sent from Emmanuel. So
there was a storm going on, and

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I was going up to the grape
vine with my window down to feel the

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fresh air. When I looked out, I saw this light hovering above the

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hills. At first I thought it
was a shooting, star, but it

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was too close to be. One
weirdest part was that my drive to my

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destiny felt a lot longer than usual, as if time was moving slower.

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Oh yeah, very common. Yes, I was always reading. I was

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like you were just saying that again. It's it's that that effect and these

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things could be I do want to
reiterate I have a good amount of research

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to suggest it could be human built
craft. But whatever mechanism they operate on,

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whatever physics they're using, is something
that is still operating on that consciousness

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level. It's very similar to have
you ever seen any of those like h

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kind of like those clothes that have
been designed to full cameras to full like

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face tracking camera. Yeah, it's
all kinds of weird patterns and it's just

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the camera can't read it. Something
is occurring with light and particles in our

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consciousness around these craft that is causing
a similar effect. And perhaps there's just

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there are people who understand this and
have built crafts based on these principles and

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that's why we see them in Afghanistan
and Iran and places like that. Maybe

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just having traces amount of mushrooms in
your systems as all that you need to

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break the clothes right again who knows
and well? And again think of the

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application if these craft just from their
simple operations create unreliable narrators. And there

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is this phenomenal story from a Russian
scientist I've been working on, Victor Gerbinikoff.

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He was an entomologist bug guy who
supposedly reverse engineered insect principles and flight

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mechanics and the special thing of physics
to create a UFO. But one of

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the most interesting things was that his
UFO was essentially like a wooden palette with

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like scooter handlebars. That's all it
was. But when people would look up,

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they wouldn't see like a Russian scientist
flying a flying palette. They would

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see glowing disks and triangles and tubes, the classic god. And he noticed

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that wherever he would operate this craft, all kinds of strange paranormal side effects

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would start to occur. Oh my
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realm of missing time. This is
one of my favorite anecdotes from him.

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In the realm of missing time.
He would take he's a bug guy,

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so we would go out to these
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so we built this UFO, and
he was like, well, let me

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take the UFO out. And he
flew to these fields and he was collecting

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larva and he put this one in
his tube, put it in his pocket,

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flew back to his lab, maybe
like an hour hour and a half

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away. When he got back,
the larva was fully grown inside the test

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tube. Sometimes I would normally take
months, and it had occurred on this

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short little flight. So that mixed
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the fact that he noted people were
seeing UFOs everywhere. Oh my god,

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I'm I am shocked right now.
If if you could see my video,

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I've literally just been like mouth open, like what the fuck this is wild.

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I was first exposed to this story
from a strange dude in Morocco who

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claimed to have a bunch of CIA
connections, and there were some weird things,

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like he had some assets in Morocco
that you know, a typical American

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ex pat would not have. But
you know, I never saw like a

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badge or anything. Right, very
nonchalantly was like, oh, no,

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I know people who fought UFOs.
Oh my god, I told me that.

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Yeah, they reverse engineered it from
honey bees. There's an anti gravity

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chain or inside honey bees, is
what he told me. Wow, that

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was like six or seven years ago. And at the time I had written

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this guy off as like a nutter, you know, I thought he was

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crazy. Who wouldn't. Yeah,
But after seven years of like accidental research,

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I've fallen down this this weird rabbit
hole where he might be onto something,

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there might be a human nature to
this craft. I am like mind

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blown right now. This is a
yeah, I'm having I think an excellent

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cis it is? Now? Well, oh my god about UFOs is again?

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Every day one day I wake up, I'm like, no, it's

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all psychedelic. It's clearly some yeah
Union archetype inside of our subconscious and it

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just manifests this way based on our
culture and our genetics. And then the

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next day I wake up and it's
full tinfoil hat Alex I've got yeah,

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So, oh my god, Yeah, No, I'm beat, I'm bike,

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I'm so fascinator right now here,
let me read you the next one.

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So this is from uh, this
is from v IF listeners. Remember

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she was on in ayurna episode and
then on what was the other one.

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It was a recent one. Gwen
this. We talked about Gwen this so

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and V sent this in and then
she was like, oh, and my

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my mom has other stories. And
I was like, V, you have

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to come back. It was too
late for me to invite her on for

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this episode because we were talking about
this like a day ago. So I

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was like, oh, it's too
late. She was like, next time.

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So she has more stories. So, but she sent this in because

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she's the one who saw this experiencer
cool. Uh huh, yeah, yeah,

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she's kind of wild stories. So
here it is. I've always believed

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in aliens. I'm an X Files
girl since the moment I was seven years

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old and saw Fox Molder. I
always wanted to witness the UFO, but

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I never thought I would have the
experience I had. When I was eighteen.

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It was July fifth, two thousand
and six. My husband and I

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were watching TV at his parents' house. It was close to ten pm at

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night. His dad runs inside and
was yelling for all of us to go

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outside. He said he went outside
to throw the trash away and noticed a

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big, bright red ball in the
sky. He just stayed watching it for

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a good minute. He said it
was getting bigger as it approached closer.

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My father in law has had experiences
with UFOs himself when he was living in

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Edmosillo. He also has a good
knowledge of aeronautics. He knew what he

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was seeing was not a plane,
jet or flare. When we went outside,

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we definitely could see why he was
so excited. This thing was massive.

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As we were outside, this thing
was so huge, the whole neighborhood

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was standing and looking at it.
His parents lived in front of one of

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the biggest dog parks in town.
It's always full of people at night with

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their dogs. There were hundreds of
witnesses. We ran inside to grab our

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camera. It was two thousand and
six. We didn't have iPhones or android

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cameras. We legit had cameras for
our MySpace photos. Tis so yeah.

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Right when we tried to use the
camera to take photos, the battery was

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dead. The craziest thing is that
it had a full charge right before this.

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The next door neighbor also had issues
with their cameras taking photos. Super

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creepy. By this time, it
was right above us. I looked up

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and couldn't believe that I was seeing
this and that it wasn't a movie.

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It was probably there for not even
a couple of minutes, but it felt

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like forever. Viewing this thing from
below, I saw a massive circle.

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It was the underside of this massive
object. It had large circular lights.

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So imagine looking up and seeing this
thing literally above you, and you're looking

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at it and it's lit up like
a sci fi movie. It was silent,

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but I could feel some sort of
vibrating sensation, almost like electricity around

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me, as if the spacecraft was
humming or something. I know that sounds

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weird, but I swear that's how
it felt. My mother in law and

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I ran underneath the porch because we
got scared. I can't explain it,

407
00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:16.920
but I almost had a feeling of
complete dread. I called my parents,

408
00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:22.960
who were across town about seventeen miles
away, and I asked them if they

409
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:27.200
saw anything, and they said no. The next thing I'm going to admit

410
00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:30.319
is completely sincere. While I was
speaking to my parents, I literally felt

411
00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:35.119
like this was it, like it
was the end of the world. But

412
00:32:35.279 --> 00:32:39.039
when something so profoundly ab normal,
that is outside of your usual spectrum is

413
00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:44.119
in front of you, all your
sense of rationality goes out of the window.

414
00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:46.759
It literally shook us all. It
was motionless for a bit, and

415
00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:51.640
then it started to move away from
us like it was leaving. It was

416
00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:57.480
probably fifteen minutes in totality from the
moment my father in law side up until

417
00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:01.799
it hovered over the neighborhood. All
of a sudden, we see two military

418
00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:07.119
helicopters heading in our direction. These
helicopters were booking it. Then we see

419
00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:10.599
them circling the craft and they had
their spotlights on it, no joke.

420
00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:16.000
Then we heard the loudest pop and
the thing was gone, completely vanished.

421
00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:22.720
Then the helicopters headed toward the Air
Force base full speed. This event was

422
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:27.000
documented in the UFCO network, It
was in the local news. I mean,

423
00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:30.279
this was reported and seen by so
many people to substantiate what we saw.

424
00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:35.200
Nonetheless, despite it all, it
was dismissed as some sort of military

425
00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:38.759
flight test and that those red lights
were just flares. Yeah right then why

426
00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:44.480
were these sharpers treating this thing like
a threat and why were they circling this

427
00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:51.279
thing armed? That's a good one. Yeah, that's great. Oh I

428
00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:53.680
read this and I was like,
what the what did I just regin?

429
00:33:53.920 --> 00:33:59.000
You have those those motifs pop up
again that you know, that sense of

430
00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:06.599
dread, a sense of reality shifting, and even that that buzzing hum weirdness

431
00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:10.920
that often pops up and there's a
term for it, the oz factor,

432
00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:19.440
whether it's cryptids or it's almost that
weird. It's preceded by that eerie silence.

433
00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:23.480
Everything gets really oh my god,
yeah, every it's it's so creepy

434
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:28.039
how these stories are all so similar. But it's no way. It's like

435
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:31.119
these people didn't talk to each other, but they all have these Yeah,

436
00:34:31.159 --> 00:34:35.599
these things are still similar. And
like when I read it and I messaged

437
00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:37.039
her and I was like, oh
my god, like I have heard the

438
00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:40.880
feeling of dread and thinking it's the
end of the world, the buzzing,

439
00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:45.239
the silence, like it's all there, and I was like, oh,

440
00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:50.960
that's so scary. Yeah, it's
quite weird. It pops up in even

441
00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:54.400
especially the battery drain. That's another
one of those details. You can see

442
00:34:54.440 --> 00:35:01.400
that one even in Ghost Adventures episodes
where anyone who goes out and does paranormal

443
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:07.960
research, at any point we'll experience
that where you're just parts. I know

444
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:12.599
it was plugged in, it was
plugged in at the car and now it's

445
00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:16.920
dead. But it's very frustrating.
It is the bane of bigfoot people that

446
00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:21.280
one happens a lot to them as
well. When they're they're hearing something,

447
00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:24.960
they're ready to go. There's something
right over there, and battery's dead and

448
00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:30.920
so yes, and my mom actually
when we were and my mom, I

449
00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:32.559
think she's like, I don't know
if kunduit is the right word, but

450
00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:36.760
like she's just like very open.
She has a lot of experiences, mainly

451
00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:40.519
with like spirits and entities. But
other than the UFO that she says,

452
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:45.360
we all saw that I don't remember. There was another incident where she was

453
00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:49.400
My brother had these dance classes he
really wanted to do, and sometimes we

454
00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:52.639
all went because it was we were
in like the ghetto part of town,

455
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:54.960
and these dance classes were in the
fancy part. And the only reason he

456
00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:59.159
was able to go is because the
teachers really liked him and so they let

457
00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:04.039
him go for free. And so
sometimes we all went in the car with

458
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:07.000
my mom and we would hang out
with my mom, like just listening to

459
00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:09.559
music or radio shows. But that
time we didn't go, and so he

460
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:13.920
was off in his dance class and
she was parked in the parking that and

461
00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:15.679
it was it was a nice time. The sun had just hit and she

462
00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:22.840
saw something come into her like I
vision, like just like in front of

463
00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:25.880
her, and it was like a
weird object, like I mean like a

464
00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:30.719
UFO shape, right, and it
had like these life that were blinking,

465
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:31.920
and she tried to get the phone
net because she was like, oh,

466
00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:35.559
they're not going to believe me,
and so she took it out and she

467
00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:38.000
tried to record it, and then
like the phone wouldn't turn on, and

468
00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:40.679
then it went away, and then
she's like, okay, well, let

469
00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:44.280
me just make a phone call because
this is so weird. She felt like

470
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:46.880
that sense of a dread as well, and she was like, I'm so

471
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:51.119
scared right now. So she was
gonna call one of us, I think

472
00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:53.159
me or my twin or we probably
showed the phone at the time, so

473
00:36:53.239 --> 00:36:57.800
she's just gonna call us after she
saw it. And then the like the

474
00:36:57.840 --> 00:36:59.760
minute it went away in the phone
where she's like, all right, let

475
00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:01.199
me make this phone call, and
then it came back and then she's like

476
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:05.119
what the fuck And then she was
like try to record it again, and

477
00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:07.760
then the phone wouldn't work, and
then it was like almost playing with her,

478
00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:12.199
like it would go back and forth, and then finally she was like,

479
00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:15.360
whatever, I'm I'm annoyed now,
I'm not even scared anymore. I'm

480
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:17.400
like, this thing is getting into
my nerves. And then it just didn't

481
00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:23.400
come back after that, and I
was like, that's so weird. Welcome

482
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So thank you so much for doing
that. Yeah again. At the many

501
00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:06.639
UFOs are particular purely strange, especially
when in relation to fay folk and you

502
00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:12.679
know that kind of idea of fairies
and the interfolc and all that weird you

503
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:17.159
know, Dwen days, all of
it very simple. They act in this

504
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:22.960
this you know, similar fashion,
the spiriting away. The light sphere,

505
00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:29.239
I find is one of the most
common archetypes and one of the most often

506
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:34.840
signifiers of something paranormal is that far
away it looks like a light sphere,

507
00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:38.440
and then when you get close to
it, it looks like blank and that

508
00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:45.199
pops up weathers UFOs, very oftentimes
UFOs, but oftentimes ghosts too. There's

509
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:49.679
there's a case in Nambibia in southern
Africa, and I'm hoping to get out

510
00:39:49.719 --> 00:39:54.320
there soon to investigate on the ground. But there's this this light sphere in

511
00:39:54.360 --> 00:40:00.559
this desert region, very similar to
there's the ghost light in Marfa, Texas,

512
00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:04.199
which are they're cool, man,
you can go out there and see

513
00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:08.719
them. They're there, yeah,
very similar to a lot of these the

514
00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:14.079
Minmen lights in Australia all over the
place. They have these these light spheres

515
00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:17.360
and these desert reasons. And of
course scientists say it's plasma spheres, but

516
00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:24.719
experiencers say, that's no plasma sphere. It's doing something weird. And in

517
00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:30.920
this region in Africa, when the
colonists, the Dutch colonists first showed up,

518
00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:35.039
they would see this light sphere and
they would say it's the ghost woman.

519
00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:39.119
It's this woman in white floating through
the dunes. Nowadays, of course,

520
00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:43.920
with all the UFO stuff in modern
culture, people see these. They

521
00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:46.239
follow at the car. They have
the same missing time and things like that,

522
00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:50.159
and so of course they're like,
wow, it's UFO. Clearly,

523
00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:53.360
this thing's a ufo. But in
this one region, near this river,

524
00:40:54.079 --> 00:41:00.199
close to the border with South Africa, there is this legend of the light

525
00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:02.639
sphere. But when it gets close, it's not a ghost woman or a

526
00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:10.760
ufo. It's the flying snake of
Namibia, whoa like a cobra kind of

527
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:14.920
thing, but instead of just these
little flaps at its head, it's got

528
00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:20.039
these big flaps that it uses as
wings, and it has smoke that comes

529
00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:22.920
out of its nose, has this
glowing light on its forehead, kind of

530
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:30.960
like an angler fish almost, and
it's most noted for sucking the blood out

531
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:36.639
of livestock, particularly sheep. It
leaves these two perfectly burned holes in the

532
00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:40.800
side of livestock and drains them of
all their blood. Wow. And so

533
00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:46.159
again it has this this archetype.
It has the same behavior as not only

534
00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:52.800
UFOs with the cattle mutilations, but
chu picabras you know, all over and

535
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:59.679
they're associated with yeah, with aliens
and UFOs as well. That the connection

536
00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:04.639
is they are the light spheres.
Again, our associate often with big foot,

537
00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:07.800
with all kinds of cryptids. Usually
you don't have to dig too deep

538
00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:13.679
to find I saw a cryptid,
and then I saw a ufo or a

539
00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:17.639
sphere of light, or there's actually
one forty minutes from where I live here

540
00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:24.199
in Gainesville, Florida, where they
it's the Bardin Booger and it's this famous

541
00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:29.599
case of a big foot from the
eighteen hundreds. But he carries a lantern,

542
00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:34.000
and so when you see him from
a distance, you just see this

543
00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:37.400
this glowing light, you know,
bobbing in the distance. And then when

544
00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:39.679
you get closer it's a big foot
holding a lantern. I did not know

545
00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:50.119
that lantern big foot. So this
association, though, it pops up everywhere.

546
00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:54.199
And so yeah, again, these
these similarities, and I do I

547
00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:58.280
think there's there's people, and it
sounds like the person who sent in this

548
00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:05.800
last story is one of them where
they perhaps don't have necessarily the same cultural

549
00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:08.199
filter where you know, if you're
a big foot guy, you're going to

550
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:14.119
see bigfoot if you're open minded enough, then yeah. I do think a

551
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:15.760
lot of people are like, oh, you saw a big foot and a

552
00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:21.519
UFO and a ghost, you're full
of it. But I think, honestly,

553
00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:24.199
if you're you're open enough, if
you' you've got the right you know,

554
00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:30.840
chemical soup in your brain, then
absolutely that light sphere will take their

555
00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:36.840
various forms depending on where where you're
at, what you're exposed to, what

556
00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:43.079
mindset you're in at the time.
Right, Okay, this other one is

557
00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:46.559
also weird. This was sent in
from Angie and she titled it Flashes in

558
00:43:46.639 --> 00:43:51.599
the Sky. So, Hi,
my name is Angie. I come from

559
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:54.719
a family with the gift, meaning
we see shit in this life and we

560
00:43:54.840 --> 00:44:00.320
got stories. Same with my mom. They say she has we called the

561
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:01.960
gifts or Eldon, which I'm like, that does not sound a gift,

562
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:08.599
but whatever. I don't know.
So I don't know is it. But

563
00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:12.960
for like just an average person.
I think it might be a curse.

564
00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:16.320
I would die. That's why I
don't have it. I would pass out

565
00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:21.199
and yeah, not come back.
I want it too much. That's why

566
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:25.000
I don't have it. Yeah,
yeah, you have to not want it.

567
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:31.519
I think doesn't work that way.
Oh man, so she says.

568
00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:37.440
But this was back in Puerto Rico. On September of nineteen ninety eight,

569
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:40.559
we get news that we needed to
prepare for the arrival of Hurricane George's.

570
00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:45.880
Yes, with an s who names
these things anyway, as most of us

571
00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:49.800
would do, we took in a
family friend to our house since we had

572
00:44:49.880 --> 00:44:55.280
a two floor house constructed with cement. He had a wooden house with tin

573
00:44:55.320 --> 00:44:59.800
panels for a roof that if you
sneeze too hard it would fall over.

574
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:05.079
You're looking out right, yeah,
trying to make a very long story shorter.

575
00:45:06.199 --> 00:45:08.320
If you've ever lived through a hurricane, you know that the winds and

576
00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:13.719
rains start off slowly, reach its
peak, and then calm comes. Then

577
00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:16.880
everything goes in reverse from strongest winds
and then rain until it dies out,

578
00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:22.400
and that's when the storm has passed. So skipping through, how absolutely terrified

579
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:25.320
I was with the sound effects of
the winds and everything being ripped away.

580
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:29.880
I went upstairs to my room using
a flashlight to get a book so I

581
00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:36.000
could read by candlelight and calm myself
down. I found said family friend that

582
00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:39.039
I will call Victor, sitting in
the tiny balcony attached to my room,

583
00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:43.760
watching the storm. I asked if
he needed me to get him something,

584
00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:46.960
since you know, him being older
and I was nineteen manners blah blah blahm.

585
00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:51.239
He only asked that I leave my
flashlight with him, and I did.

586
00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:54.039
I went back down to the laundry
room with my youngest siblings, and

587
00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:58.920
we were there trying to write it
out. Time passed. I heard no

588
00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:00.960
noise coming from outside, but I
know it was just the eye of the

589
00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:06.840
hurricane. I decided to check on
Victor since my mom joined our hiding spot

590
00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:10.039
in the laundry room and it was
getting crowded. I got to the balcony.

591
00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:15.920
Victor and my cousin were looking up
at one of the most beautiful and

592
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:20.840
science fiction looking skies. It looked
like it was set on fire, vivid

593
00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:25.079
colors, really breathtaking. Turns out, we were told that this was a

594
00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:30.480
phenomena called Saint Elmo's Fire. I
can't verify if it was true or not

595
00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:36.519
because we didn't have a computer back
then. So Victor started using the flashlight

596
00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:40.639
as a beam to point to show
us different patterns in the sky. The

597
00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:45.480
storm destroyed so much on the island, including Victor's house, so he was

598
00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:49.559
staying with us for a bit.
The neighborhood had been without electricity for a

599
00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:52.320
long time. I don't know how
to explain how clear and beautiful the night

600
00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:55.880
sky looks after a hurricane, but
Victor, my cousin, and I would

601
00:46:55.920 --> 00:47:00.800
hang out in my balcony looking up
because he kept saying he saw strange lights

602
00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:06.000
in the sky. Again, using
the flashlight as a pointer, he would

603
00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:08.239
try to show us. The battery
started to give out and it flickered,

604
00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:13.880
and then the light he was pointing
out flickered at the same time, so

605
00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:17.079
whatever he was pointing out was flickering. Bath I've never seen an old man

606
00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:22.079
moved so fast to get another flashlight. I was confused about what just happened.

607
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:25.559
He came back with one of those
big, bulky, yellow, industrial

608
00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:30.239
looking flashlights. My cousin asked him, what the fuck are you doing,

609
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:36.239
and with a childlike smile, he
said, I'm making first contact with them.

610
00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:38.400
I absolutely thought, oh my god, we're stuck in the dark with

611
00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:46.559
the man. That's insane you're about
I started to yell for one of my

612
00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:52.960
parents to come. But what we
saw was both fascinating and terrifying. Victor

613
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:58.000
started flickering the light at the sky
and then lights, and the sky started

614
00:47:58.039 --> 00:48:02.880
responding, yes, said lights.
By now there were four lights flickering in

615
00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:07.800
the exact same way. I think
he really did contact something because the lights

616
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:12.760
would flicker and then he would do
it and they would do it back.

617
00:48:13.159 --> 00:48:15.880
I got freaked out and yelled,
you don't know what the hell you're telling

618
00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:21.559
them. What if you're giving them
the okay to come take us? I

619
00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:27.719
panicked. Ghost shadow people entities I
could handle, but this felt so wrong,

620
00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:30.639
way down to my bones. My
parents asked him to stomp, and

621
00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:35.519
he did, thankfully, because he's
staying with us, but he had become

622
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:38.960
obsessed. The last I heard was
that they found him passed away, sitting

623
00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:45.840
on his porridge with coffee and three
flashlights. He died of a heart attack.

624
00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:49.440
Poor guy. That's my story.
I hope you enjoy it. Be

625
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:53.599
safe, be blessed. Angie.
Wow, that one's wild. Wow Wow,

626
00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:59.760
Yeah, that's weird. It reminds
me of I'm blanking of a location.

627
00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:02.840
I want to say it was the
Pacific Northwest. But there's a book

628
00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:07.559
a few years ago that came out
about a guy who owned a private like

629
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:15.519
little airstrip middle of the woods and
kind of like a weird similar story where

630
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:20.280
at first, like the light strips
on the landing started to like malfunction and

631
00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:23.119
he noticed that there were lights in
the sky that were like blinking back at

632
00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:30.199
him, and there was lots of
weird other high strangeness, but the ending

633
00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:37.000
was essentially the same where he kind
of like obsessed and like died out there

634
00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:40.760
like just trying to make contact over
and over and over again. Wow.

635
00:49:42.920 --> 00:49:46.239
Wow, I just got chills.
That's wild quite weird. Yeah, now

636
00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:52.960
that one gave me chills. That's
definitely one of the weirder ones. Yeah,

637
00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:57.440
it's one of those of those high
strangeness things. And again it's a

638
00:49:57.480 --> 00:50:02.719
lot of times those stories are pointed
out like, well, clearly it's demons.

639
00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:08.400
Like I don't know, I think
there there's humans who like become obsessed,

640
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:14.119
you know, with gambling on you
know, women's basketball, Like you

641
00:50:14.199 --> 00:50:20.119
can find someone obsessed with anything if
you look for him. Yeah, with

642
00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:25.639
that my strange addiction, there's a
whole show about it. There is a

643
00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:34.719
weird So I don't necessarily think that
the entities the lights are responsible for that,

644
00:50:34.840 --> 00:50:38.000
but it is something that that pops
up again and again, this kind

645
00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:43.199
of obsession. Yeah, because I
could see someone being like so obsessed and

646
00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:45.760
then they're just repeatedly answer and he
just happened to have a heart attack when

647
00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:49.840
he was out there, Like I
don't think the lights didn't, but he

648
00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:52.079
was just there and because he was
there, all that time. That's just

649
00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:57.519
where it happened. But it's weird
that that story you mentioned. It's like

650
00:50:57.719 --> 00:51:00.559
very simil and immediately jumped out to
me because I was like, I wonder

651
00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:04.679
if I was like, I wonder
if he's gonna be like obsessed with it

652
00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:10.679
like that. I was like that
way, And I think there's I think

653
00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:16.440
it's a case from Guatemala. There's
a really interesting video and it's like a

654
00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:22.159
few hundred people on a beach and
they're using like lights like that to communicate

655
00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:27.280
with something, you know, on
the horizon line, and it does this

656
00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:32.039
green flash that is really bizarre.
It's like nothing I've really ever seen.

657
00:51:32.440 --> 00:51:37.199
And it is interesting with the whole
green flash legend, you know, pirates

658
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:45.000
making really but it does stem from
a you know, supposedly a light phenomenon,

659
00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:49.320
but this thing was flashing like in
response, so a bunch of people

660
00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:57.320
pointing laser pointers and stuff. So
certainly again it's something something happening, and

661
00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:02.440
when that occurs, those are the
cases that you know, definitely have me

662
00:52:02.559 --> 00:52:07.360
leaning back towards it's all psychedelic,
you know, No, it's something's happening

663
00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:14.239
in our consciousness and our reality.
It's a base the particle physics thing that

664
00:52:14.360 --> 00:52:20.800
is beyond our comprehension, because I
don't really see the military being like,

665
00:52:20.920 --> 00:52:23.559
oh, let's flash our lights back
at them. But honestly that I say

666
00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:29.920
that loud, maybe or maybe they're
I was just like I could see I

667
00:52:29.960 --> 00:52:34.039
could see someone that they're like protocol, you don't You're not supposed to make

668
00:52:34.039 --> 00:52:37.159
contact with these people. This is
a test. And then someone just completely

669
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:40.920
ignoring it and just doing it anyway. I'm just gonna fuck with them real

670
00:52:42.039 --> 00:52:47.199
quick. Yeah, I mean that's
like that's like the military thing to do,

671
00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:51.400
do the opposite and then be like
I'll deal with it later. Yeah,

672
00:52:51.760 --> 00:53:00.119
honestly it does sound very human opinion
on that one. We're gonna flip

673
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:05.280
flop on this right now, might
change my mind tomorrow. I always flip

674
00:53:05.320 --> 00:53:08.039
flop on it. I'm not sure. Perhaps both things are true. There's

675
00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:14.679
there's you know again, we it's
something I come up way too often in

676
00:53:14.719 --> 00:53:16.920
the paranormal where someone's like, no, I figured it out, my thing's

677
00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:22.039
right, and that's right. Yeah. If you're if you're at that point,

678
00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:28.199
then you're you haven't done enough reading. Listen to more wrong. Yeah,

679
00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:32.320
there's something going on I can find
whatever your perfect theory is in the

680
00:53:32.360 --> 00:53:37.639
paranormal. I can find a story. I can find a story that you

681
00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:45.280
can't explain. I'm sure I can't. I'm posting this challenge. Yeah,

682
00:53:45.320 --> 00:53:54.079
but it is there's I think overall, the UFO question, problem, conundrum,

683
00:53:54.280 --> 00:54:01.199
enigma is a positive. I think
we're we're kind of moving forward,

684
00:54:01.719 --> 00:54:06.679
you know, as a society,
slowly, but surely. I don't think

685
00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:12.960
we're gonna see the leaps I want
in this lifetime where people are discussing in

686
00:54:13.360 --> 00:54:19.039
UFOs like we are, you know, on the news, I'm not sure

687
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:25.480
it's gonna get there quite yet.
I think there is definitely there's some small

688
00:54:25.519 --> 00:54:30.639
steps heading that way, because like
I think twenty years ago, I don't

689
00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:34.719
think there would have been that many
news reporting or channels are big mainstream media

690
00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:38.039
reporting on like oh, these these
papers were released or these reports. But

691
00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:42.360
what was it that was like in
was it twenty twenty or was it after

692
00:54:42.639 --> 00:54:46.159
that the whole huge thing was like
released and they were actually talking about it

693
00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:53.000
some of the videos and yeah they've
been researching UFOs and private huh. Again,

694
00:54:53.519 --> 00:54:58.400
the problem is, and this is
of course, this is something that

695
00:54:59.119 --> 00:55:02.280
yeah, everyone asks me about every
single time one of those new things happened,

696
00:55:02.360 --> 00:55:06.760
he's a new whistleblower, or Congress
has a meeting, they're like,

697
00:55:07.360 --> 00:55:08.760
what do you think is this it? Like? Are we going to find

698
00:55:08.760 --> 00:55:15.360
out? My answer is no,
There's only really one way you're gonna get,

699
00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:20.639
you know, that disclosure. Everyone's
looking for disclosure, alien disclosure.

700
00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:24.360
One way and one way only is
you have to audit the Pentagon. You

701
00:55:24.440 --> 00:55:30.559
have to do the whole John Stewart, audit the Pentagon, go in and

702
00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:38.360
count every dollar and see where it's
going. Because without dismantling this whole framework

703
00:55:38.440 --> 00:55:47.119
of intelligence, counterintelligence, secret aircraft, you know, UFO research, we

704
00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:51.760
need to figure out how who's getting
what money, how much and when off

705
00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:58.119
and how often? Right, that's
that's the first step. But trying to

706
00:55:58.639 --> 00:56:01.519
figure this out, you know,
from the government level, from some kind

707
00:56:01.559 --> 00:56:07.760
of bureaucracy level. Without that doing
that first is absolutely pointless. You're gonna

708
00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:14.760
keep running into different tricks and schemes. And you know that's alone. Outside

709
00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:19.599
of the intelligence community. If you
go look at paranormal UFO people, there's

710
00:56:19.639 --> 00:56:28.239
a lot of Grifters, Stephen Grifters
for sure, crazy characters and things like

711
00:56:28.280 --> 00:56:35.880
that going on and won't entering the
Pentagon and the intelligence community entering into that

712
00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:39.159
is not a good sign. I
actually believe everyone's like, this is a

713
00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:44.880
step towards disclosure. I disagree.
I think it did. It is going

714
00:56:44.920 --> 00:56:50.559
to make everything way more complicated than
Murphy. I could see that. And

715
00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:54.760
so until we get a real and
again people are like, oh, this

716
00:56:55.159 --> 00:57:00.760
that's don't makes sense. It does, though, because if we look at

717
00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:06.599
the known facts as civilians, let's
go to Roswell, right. The official

718
00:57:06.679 --> 00:57:10.159
story is that it was a military
balloon. They were doing a secret balloon

719
00:57:10.239 --> 00:57:14.480
thing, and that they told us
it was aliens, and then they told

720
00:57:14.519 --> 00:57:19.719
it was us it was weather balloons, and then it went away. A

721
00:57:19.840 --> 00:57:22.440
year ago, a few months ago, we shot down a bunch of Chinese

722
00:57:22.440 --> 00:57:28.079
balloons that were thought to be UFOs. But then we shot the UFOs down

723
00:57:28.119 --> 00:57:30.880
and oh it turns out it was
just balloons. But maybe they were military

724
00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:37.639
balloons. The protocol hasn't changed in
nearly one hundred years. When something happens

725
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:43.239
of this nature, the protocol is
clearly to throw aliens in there to make

726
00:57:43.280 --> 00:57:51.400
it more confusing. The real thing
aliens seems to be associated with it.

727
00:57:51.440 --> 00:57:54.480
And it seems to be to muddy
up the waters. At least that is

728
00:57:54.519 --> 00:58:01.840
the official explanation when it comes to
Roswell and so again I'm skeptical, especially

729
00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:06.960
if people who said they worked for
the government and that they saw UFOs and

730
00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:13.239
aliens. Yeah, maybe that's just
the retirement plan, right, if you

731
00:58:13.280 --> 00:58:15.400
want to get your Yeah, I
mean it's a dead plan. Every few

732
00:58:15.440 --> 00:58:19.440
months, you got Bob Blazar.
Listen, if you want to get well,

733
00:58:19.480 --> 00:58:22.800
we'll give you a little more money
if you go on the radio and

734
00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:29.760
talk about aliens every few months.
Yeah, and again, that sounds like

735
00:58:29.760 --> 00:58:32.559
a conspiracy. It sounds a little
crazy, but hey, we know humans

736
00:58:32.599 --> 00:58:37.920
do weird stuff like that all the
time, and we love conspiracies. We

737
00:58:38.440 --> 00:58:42.480
still don't know what the aliens are
doing. We still don't have one of

738
00:58:42.480 --> 00:58:50.159
those. So yeah, to say
it is it is. Well, I

739
00:58:50.199 --> 00:58:52.760
have to pee, so we should
end this. I don't even get to

740
00:58:52.760 --> 00:58:55.800
the other stories. But this was
so good. I'm so glad. I'm

741
00:58:55.880 --> 00:59:00.920
like mind blown with everything you told
me today. I'm shot. Before we

742
00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:05.400
go, we always do a spooky
recommendation. It could be a the paranormal,

743
00:59:05.559 --> 00:59:08.559
like media related. Do you have
any Oh, yeah, well,

744
00:59:08.639 --> 00:59:14.960
check out Paranormality Magazine. U we
can. Oh yeah, check out this

745
00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:20.280
year's February issue to see the s
spooky edition we are on the cover.

746
00:59:20.559 --> 00:59:24.039
It's awesome, great cover, great, great interview conducted by yours truly.

747
00:59:24.679 --> 00:59:30.159
Uh yes and yeah. Every month
we do print and digital issues. We're

748
00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:35.760
covering all kinds of crazy paranormal stories. And again it's it's like I've been

749
00:59:35.800 --> 00:59:42.440
discussing today, it's everything ghosts,
big foot, UFOs, We're we're trying

750
00:59:42.480 --> 00:59:45.880
to cover all of this this high
strangeness. And we've got a team from

751
00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:52.920
all over the globe to contribute with
all kinds of weird stuff they've been working

752
00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:59.039
on, whether they're they're in the
traditional ghost hunting field or modern new ethology.

753
00:59:59.320 --> 01:00:02.880
We we've got a little bit of
high strangeness for everyone. So go

754
01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:07.960
check out paranormalitymag dot com. Yes, and you know what now that you

755
01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:13.239
were speaking about all over the world, people check out your website, Chazz,

756
01:00:13.280 --> 01:00:15.559
because I think that's where with me
and MJ first came across. We

757
01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:20.039
found a story that you were talking
about, like some sort of mothman or

758
01:00:20.079 --> 01:00:23.519
fine entity in Chile. I want
to say, yeah, it's an old

759
01:00:23.519 --> 01:00:28.000
class and it was like on your
website and I was like, oh my

760
01:00:28.039 --> 01:00:30.880
god, there's so there's so much
there. So you know what, that

761
01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:36.559
is my recommendation if you want to
find some wild stories like oh, thank

762
01:00:36.599 --> 01:00:40.800
you dot com check it out.
Yes, yes, I don't even know

763
01:00:40.840 --> 01:00:45.119
if that one's still up on there
anymore. I might have to repost it.

764
01:00:45.559 --> 01:00:47.559
I don't know. I found it
like a year was it a year

765
01:00:47.639 --> 01:00:52.079
or two ago? Whenever MG and
I talked about Mothman, I want to

766
01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:54.800
say it was probably almost two years
ago. Now, yeah, I still

767
01:00:55.199 --> 01:01:00.360
remember it was the flying entity in
Chile and there was like a tragic fire

768
01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:10.639
and like the office building. Yes, yes, yeah, fascinating, fascinating

769
01:01:10.679 --> 01:01:14.760
stuff. So yeah, check out
your work. I will link it in

770
01:01:14.760 --> 01:01:16.960
our show notes as well. And
thank you so much for joining me.

771
01:01:17.159 --> 01:01:22.679
This was so fun anytime. Thanks
for having me. Yes, and I

772
01:01:22.719 --> 01:01:28.039
don't know, listeners, don't look
up at the sky unless you want to

773
01:01:28.079 --> 01:01:31.000
see something. Unless you do,
I don't know. I'm not gonna tell

774
01:01:31.039 --> 01:01:35.880
you what to do, and if
you do, tell us what it is

775
01:01:39.599 --> 01:01:47.880
both of us and stay a spooky
We'll catch everyone next time. Bye.

776
01:01:52.480 --> 01:01:58.039
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777
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