This Man and When You're Dreams Tell You Your Past

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Hi everyone. This is Christina and
this is MJ. And this is another

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episode of a Spooky Tales, the
podcast for all things as spooky. Today

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we have a lovely guest with us. Go ahead and introduce yourselves. Say

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hi to everyone. Hi, y
spookies. I'm Azrael. My friend has

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a really good podcast called Adoptees Crossing
Lines and you should check it out if

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you're interested. It is really good. I'll put it in the show notes.

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I appreciate it. Yeah, and
today I have a dream topic.

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Yeah, it's like storty creepy pasta. And then Asta has a story for

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us. But first I have a
listeners story. And if you have a

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story that you want to send into
the podcast, you can email at Spookytoes

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at gmail dot com. You can
DM us on any of our socials.

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You can submit it on Discord.
There's a lot of options. You can

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also call our spooky hotline and we'll
play it in the episode. I think

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those are Yeah, there's a lot
of ways you'll see it in the show

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notes. This was sent in through
Patreon, so yeah, if you have

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us on if you're on Patreon's that's
another super fast way for me to see

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the message, so lots of options. All right, So here's this story.

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Hey Christina and MJ. I'm Jessica. I've been listening to your podcast

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for over a year and I love
it. Thank you, thank you.

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I've been meaning to tell you this
story since I happened pretty recently. Last

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month. My best friend Medium and
I were going to Moore Park to stay

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with my sisters since we were going
to a concert. Medium and I were

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the only ones driving from San Diego. I went and picked her up and

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I had helped her put her stuff
in the rear hatch. We had put

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our bags next to each other,
and Medium had brought a cowgirl hat so

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she can wear it to the concert. I saw her with my own eyes

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put it on top of the bags. We head out and I put on

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your podcast, specifically the episode Encounters
with Now. We listened to it,

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joking around about the when this oh
God moved and how we don't want to

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speak too much of them because they
will show up. We stopped for dinner

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in Irvine, and since I borrowed
this car from work, as I was

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leaving, I made sure to triple
check the car was locked. We have

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dinner and do the rest of the
drive. We make it there and start

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to unload things when we realized Medium's
hat is gone, like missing, disappeared

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without a trace. We were thinking
where could it have gone. We made

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sure to check the car was locked
when we left it, and all of

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our bags were still there, including
my backpack that had a couple hundred dollars

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in it. Like if someone broke
into the car, everything would be gone,

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not just the cowgirl hat. Medium
talked to her mom that night and

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she searched the house to see if
she left it there, but we knew

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she didn't because we both saw her
put it in the rear hatch. Her

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mom didn't find it, and a
month later, the hat is still am

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I A. We literally still think
about what happened to that hat, but

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honestly we blame dwend This. Thanks
for taking the time to read my story.

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Yes, yes, I think it
was the dwend This when this heard

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and they were like, oh,
you think we're a joke, you think

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this is funny. No, this
hat is ours now that's what happened.

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Also, let us know if the
hat is back. I've heard sometimes you

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can just be like like cause the
custo Dwendo's out and demand your stuff back

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and like it randomly reappears. I
asked them, Okay, guys, can

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you please give me my stuff back? Thank you? That's a lot nicer.

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Yeah, and it does work sometimes. Okay, well, maybe just

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do it that way, like being
in airhead and just like forgetting your left

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ship. But either way, I'm
gonna pretend it's tod this. Maybe you

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could trade them, like offer them
a hat and ask for your hat back.

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Oh yeah, that that could work
too. Yeah. I always used

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to blame like doing this, like
losing my stuff in Karmen's like, no,

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it's just you because you lose things
all the time, and I'm like,

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no, but it is, it
is me. It could be both.

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Yeah, you know what, it's
probably the one this so two day's

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topic that I brought. Have either
of you heard of this man? No?

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I don't think so. All right, I'm gonna send you a picture

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in the chat. All right,
could you can you guys see that?

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Oh my, I know that guy. Yes, yes, you know this

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Yeah, I know of this man. Yes, this man. Yes,

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So that's what I'm talking about today, this man. And I forgot that

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I heard this story. So At
first, I was like, I forgot

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to existed. But let me go
back to my notes here. Okay,

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So first I'm just going to start
with the creepy pasta that exists. In

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January two six, in New York, the patient of a well known psychiatrist

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draws the face of a man that
has been repeatedly appearing in her dreams.

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In more than one occasion, that
man has given her advice on her private

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life. The woman swears she has
never met the man in her life.

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That portrait lies forgotten on the psychiatrist's
desk for a few days, until one

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day, another patient recognizes that face
and says that the man has often visited

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him in his dreams. He also
claims he has never seen that man in

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his waking life. The psychiatrist decides
to send the portrait to some of his

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colleagues that have patients with recurrent dreams. Within a few months, four patients

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recognize the man as a frequent presence
in their own dreams. All the patients

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referred to him as this man in
capslock or capital letters whatever. From two

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dozen six until today, at least
eight thousand people have claimed to see this

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man in their dream in many cities
all over the world. Los Angeles,

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Gua, La La Hara, Berlin, Sau Paolo, Beijing, Rung,

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Barcelona, you get it everywhere.
At the moment, there is no ascertained

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relation or comment trait among the people
that have dreamed of seeing this man.

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Moreover, no living man has ever
been recognized as resembling the man of the

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portrait by the people who have seen
this man in their dreams. And that's

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the creepy pasta. However, like, regardless of this like being known as

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a creepy pasta, people keep claiming
they've seen this man and it was debunked

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like in I don't know, four
years ago, maybe five years ago.

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It's actually like a marketing ploy that
was made by this sociologist slash marketer named

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Andrea Natella, which is very close
to Nutella Naela. Interesting, that's not

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like, has nothing to do with
this, but anyway, she has a

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marketing company and they started the website
this man dot org and they started putting

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posters of this man everywhere, and
then people were like, oh, I've

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seen this man. I hate that
it's called this man. It's too like

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you say times, Yeah, it's
so generic and that just makes this all

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so much worse. But still like
this. She was interviewed by Vice dot

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Com, where she still pretends the
story is real and then like I don't

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know their next article, like in
a few days, we're like, oh

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my god, we were fooled.
This has actually been debunked. And they

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talked to someone from her company and
they like admit it all. And it's

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not really known why they all they
went through this too, this whole campaign.

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It's believed this was supposed to be
a horror movie that then never got

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made, so it's not confirmed like
why they started this campaign. But even

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then, like people still claim to
see this man. I just hate saying

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this man. Have either you seen
this man? I've seen the picture.

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You haven't seen him in your dream? Now? Yeah, I mean neither.

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But we'll be sharing this picture on
Instagram. But I'll describe it a

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little bit. He's a creepy he
has a creepy face. He looks like

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he tortured animals and his youth.
He really looks like this guy I was

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in the mental hospital with in New
York City in the early two Oh my

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god, oh my god, No, I'm sorry, it's just it's just

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really random, just really random,
like the same uner brow. But wow,

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oh my god, I was like
drinking water, he said. I

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was like to die. Oh man, I'm this is this is funny.

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Just all the water was like,
Okay, you're not going down my throw

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and you're also not going all over
my computer. Oh my god. But

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it appears to be a white man, like honestly to me, with like

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a round, weird small face,
like thick eyebrows. It's almost a unibrow,

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is it. You know, I
think it's a unibrow. It's at

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least unibrow adjacent. Yeah yeah,
and like literally like thick ass eyebrows,

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like very thick. Yes, a
weird half smile, weird small ear yeah,

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and like a really thin upper lip
uh huh yeah yeah it's almost not

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there, which is why I think
it's a white man. And also a

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very soft chin. Yes, yeah, yeah, it's very soft chin.

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I'm very like there's someone just randomly. They've never said if they drew this

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after someone or if they just drew
something randomly, Like the company has never

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said, I don't know, I'm
wonderine, and like throughout the years,

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there's been people that are like oh
it looks like this guy, or it

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looks like this guy, and honestly
it doesn't. So again, like regardless

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of this being confirmed fake, like
this is a marketing employ people insist they

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see him. There's stories of him
just like being in people's dreams. I'm

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really doing anything. There's other stories
of him, of people being intimate with

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him, those four people. Can
you just imagine this guy leaning in for

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a kid? Listen, I'm not
trying to be mean, because like I

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am a confirmed believer. Everybody's pretty
in their own way. But oh,

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yeah, you're right this Yeah,
but there's also like a whole energy that

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goes with this dude. Yeah,
that's true. He has like a really

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like creepy energy and like yeah,
like Peeping Tom energy. Yes, and

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I'm not about that, yes,
yeah, yeah, I'm maybe there's people

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out there there who are there's also
people that fall in love with him and

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his in their dreams. Is he
like a billionaire in his dreams in their

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dreams? Because you know, I
might even look at that, look at

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how beautiful that money as though I'm
kidding. I've said this on no other

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podcast with Carming. We're watching right
now, and I'm like Teresa would be

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very disappointed in me because like I
did not marry for money, but like

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all the money in the world would
not make me marry this this man would

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be like, but it would make
me Actually are My group chat with my

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mom and Carmen is called the Sea
like we've let there sat down, And

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if you've watched the soap opera,
you know what we're talking about. If

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you haven't, then you should watch
it or listen to the podcast either one.

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So there's also been people that have
dreams of killing him in their in

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their own dreams, and there's also
stories of him like hunting houses. Outside

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of dreams, people claim to see
his apparition. So I don't know,

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that's even worse. That's even worse
than falling in love in love with him,

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I don't know. I think falling
in love is worse. I don't

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know. At least I mean one
at least it's in't just in your dream.

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The other one you're like seeing it
in person. That's true, That's

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very true. So I found several
different stories from Latin America of people seeing

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this man and these are all from
there's the whole Facebook group dedicated to this

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man. I'm so sorry for all
the times I'm gonna say this man,

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I'm already getting to my own nerves. So these stories are from that Facebook

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group. So this one is a
dream from Mexico. They're all pretty short.

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Two nights ago, I had a
dream where this man approached me when

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I was in my room playing the
guitar. He asked me if he could

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stay the night in my room.
I immediately ran to the bathroom. My

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fear and desperation was so bad that
I immediately woke up by looking on the

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internet for the description of this guy. One guy showed me this page.

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And now I'm fucking scared because I'm
not the only one who has seen this

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man d Although in this dream,
if you never saw this man before,

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I don't know why he was scared. That is true. It's step Vibe

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Vibe. Yeah, you're right,
You're right, it is the vibe.

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This one is a dream from Ecuador. I had a dream with the man

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since my father left me. In
my dreams, he does pretty much anything,

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but he's there. He had never
talked to me, he never moved,

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He's just there. I always have
the same dream when I am in

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the US in New York, specifically
in Times Square. He's there just standing

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and watching my father enter a store. I've had this dream since I was

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eight years old. It's now been
years, and this man has tormented me

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since then. Sounds creepy, that's
creepy. That is creepy. Sounds worse.

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It's it's so much worse because like
this poor person's father has left them,

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and then since they were abandoned by
their own father, they have the

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same dream that their dad is walking
into a store and this man is just

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staring from like across the street.
Was now almost like almost like it was

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like ominous, like this man took
your dad. No, yeah, I

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don't like it. I don't like
it. This one is a dream from

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Argentina. Hello. I remember I
usually dreamt about this man when I was

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little. Well, they were more
like nightmares. They were red tinted like

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hell, and his face was on
my TV monitor, my computer monitor,

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every monitor in my house. From
that point, I always thought he was

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Satan or something like that because he
looked evil. But I realized he never

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talked to me. He just looked
at me. What does smirk? And

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their room was filled with weird noise
like when TV has no signal like static.

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When I tried to turn out the
TV by disconnecting it, it kept

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going. That was the scariest part
because I couldn't do anything. It was

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between two thousand and eight and twenty
thirteen. Then they stopped and I never

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dreamt it again. It's the vibe. I don't like it. I don't

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like it so creepy. Just just
I mean, I don't know. Just

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imagine seeing that face when you're trying
to microwave something and it's just in the

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I don't know, if it was
in the microwave, that'd be weird.

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Oh my god. I'm just like
leaving my food there. I'm like,

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whatever I'm doing, I'm never eating
again. Okay, So this is a

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dream from Peru. I was in
a building with school friends and a childhood

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friend. We had gone out partying
and then returned in the morning when my

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friends told me to go up to
the top floor of that building, which

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was the eighth floor. When I
arrived, they told me that my childhood

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friend had fallen from the building and
his older brother pushed him. I was

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very upset and I said I will
get justice with my own hands, and

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this man offered a snacks and I
saw on the ladder and he walked behind

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my friend grabbed my leg twice.
I spit on him. Oh my god.

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First, how does he go from
like offering sandwiches so then being like

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this rude ass person? And he
turned around and looked at me with a

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terrifying look. He moved his head
and then he kept walking. Then I

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was on the first floor. It
was all empty except for this man.

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He walked next to me, pushed
me, and as I was falling,

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I felt like I hit my entire
body like it felt real, especially my

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head. And in my dream I
was about to die. Oh, oh,

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terrifying dream. As I was laying
there dying, this man approached me,

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oh like got really close to his
face and then he woke up crying.

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I was like nope, wow,
and then let me just read the

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last part. I didn't know who
this man was until I came across the

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picture of him. Every time I
see his face, I get goosebumps and

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feel like crying again. There's something
about him, like, even if it's

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just like a psychological thing, there's
something about like his features. They're like

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uncanny Valley. Yes, agree,
Yeah, watches all dreys dream about him

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tonight, just because we were talking
about him and we saw his picture and

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I don't know how many times he
saw his picture. I take it back.

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I don't want it. I mean
either, what if like the dream

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world is populated just like this world
is, and he's just like this random

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person from the dream world and we
remember what he looks like because he's just

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really unique looking and got that.
Yeah, it's so weird because to me,

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he's very weird looking but also so
very generic, like where if if

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he was in a crowd somewhere,
he would never stand out, but if

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it was in my dreams, he'd
creep me out. He would there.

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Yeah, like there's something about him, like it's it's there's nothing spectacular about

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his features, but it's still very
like put if you put all the features

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that he has together, it's weird. He looks weird. Yeah, yep,

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it's strange, very very strange.
But yeah, that's my story for

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today. Thank you in advance for
the nightmares. You're welcome. You're welcome.

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So my story has a lot to
do with dreams. Also, I'm

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adopted obviously, so my adoption was
not great. My adoptive family didn't believe

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in anything supernatural. They were warm
Jews, but like pretty atheist. I

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guess, like they didn't have like
ghosts were not real, Like there was

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none of that. So when I
was little, I used to have all

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these dreams because they told me that, oh you're you're just white, You're

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just a white a white lady.
And so I would always ask like,

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but where did I come from?
And what uh like what nationality are my

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parents? Yeah, like natural normal
questions that you want to know, totally

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totally normal questions that any kid would
ask. And like in my dreams,

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I would always be dreaming about people
who, like I didn't think could be

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related to me, just like random
people Like I used to have dreams like

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I had a lot of dreams about
owls, m oh oh okay, And

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I had a lot of dreams about
my identity and they weren't matching up with

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like the things that my parents,
my adoptive parents told me. And I

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sometimes feel like I was talking to
my partner today and I sometimes feel like

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they kind of got like, you
know, there's all those stories about like

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creepy orphans and stuff like creepy adopted
orphans, I swear like my adopt like

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I was that to my adoptive mom, Like there would be phone calls and

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I'd be like, it's the babysitter, and like she would pick it up

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and it would be the babysitter.
Oh my god. And I think I

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just like really creeped them out.
For so when I got to be a

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teenager, I think it was like
also causing behavioral issues for me because like

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I didn't know. I wanted to
know who I was, you know.

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And also the dreams of the owls, Like when I was really little,

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they scared the ship out of me. And I was a kid in New

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York City, so it's not like
I had ever seen an owl. Yeah,

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well, like what would happen in
these dreams? Okay, So when

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I was really little, I used
to have this recurring dream about an owl

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sitting in a tree and there was
just like chaos going on, like there

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was cats and it was like in
kind of like a cartoon. And then

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like as I got older, it
was like more and more realistic. The

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owl got more and more realistic.
That's interesting, but like the owl would

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be yelling to me and I and
it was like trying to tell me something,

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but I couldn't really understand, and
it was just like I was afraid.

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I didn't know what it was trying
to tell me. And I would

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wake up and I'd cry to my
parents, like my adoptive parents, and

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I'm like I'm having nightmares, like
and they're like it's nothing, just go

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to bed, like you're just just
go to sleep and please go to sleep.

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So so like as I got older, my dreams became like more and

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more crazy, and they ended up
like putting me on medication. And like

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I said, I was in the
mental hospital with this man and with this

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man. So there's just like a
lot of that. And for my whole

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life, my whole childhood, like
weird, just weird, random stuff would

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happen. And then I got older
and my birth mom found me and one

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of the first questions I asked her
for some reason was am I Mexican?

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And and She's like, yeah,
you are, okay, and and I

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was like I knew it, Like
I knew it. Just that's what the

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Alans were telling you there, like
Mexican, Mexican, and you're a witch.

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Part of that. Like when I
was little, I would tell people

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all the time like I'm a witch, and it would creep out my adoptive

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parents. And then when I met
my family, I found out that that

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was totally normal, Like it was
totally normal, Like I had dreams about

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people dying before they died. I
so I and that like really put it.

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They did not my family, my
adoptive family did not like that.

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I bet, yeah, that doesn't
happen in temple, right. So when

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I met my great grandmother on my
mom's side and I started like getting to

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know them, I realized that this
was like a thing that happened to every

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woman in my biological family. Is
they all had dreams, premonition dreams.

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They would like know when people were
sick and all of this stuff. And

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it was just really creepy, like
like you were literally telling people that you

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were a witch because you were,
but you didn't even know it, Like

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that's wild. I did not even
know it. And the crazy part is

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that between like when I was I
think like eight seventeen eighteen, I really

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stopped believing in all of this.
Like I was a scientist, I worked,

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I was a herpetologist for a well
known zoo. I well, that

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sounds fancy. I don't know what
a herpetologist is. In Latin, it

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means the study of creeping things.
It's oh, that sounds cool, okay,

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like it's reptiles and amphibians. Oh, oh my god, that's awesome.

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Yeah. I loved it. It
was really cool. I learned so

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much, and like I worked in
a marine biolab and I was like totally

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science minded. I did not believe
in any in any of this stuff at

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all, Like I was hardcore.
Even when it took me like a while

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to accept that these things weren't,
like, you know, a mental illness,

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I really thought like, oh no, it's just me being crazy,

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you know. But as I was
like meeting my family more, I I

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sort of started to like appreciate it
more. And then so I also met

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the other side of my family,
my biological father's side, and the cousin

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that I met was also actually both
cousins that I met from that side were

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witches too. Wow, like the
whole family. Yes, And I even

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had so my great aunt she was
a brucha in Chicago, like, and

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her brother that's my great grandfather,
and he was like a zoot suit kind

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of gangster type guy. And he
murdered her husband been so she no,

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so he murdered his sister's husband,
and she put a curse on him and

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all of his descendants. And so
when I met my cousin, she's like,

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you have a curse, and like
here's she's like you and you probably

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have a curse, and like here's
how you can you know, help,

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like do some ancestral healing. And
the freaky part was that I had already

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started doing that, Like I didn't. I didn't really, I didn't know

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about any of this stuff. And
it was like my intuition has been there

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the whole time. My adoptive family
couldn't make me a normy like them,

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Like they tried. They tried so
hard. They put thousands and thousand some

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dollars into it, like meds for
my whole life, and it did not

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work, like at all, Like
I live in the woods with a black

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cat, you know, amazing,
Oh my god, Like yeah, yeah,

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amazing. Yeah. So it's been
really crazy. Like my great grandma

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before she died, like taught me
all about how to listen to my dreams

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and read the signs and like protect
myself from energies and stuff. And I

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think it's so crazy that people don't
really treasure these little things that get passed

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down because it really is, it's
you know, it's still it's part of

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the family culture, and to me, that's sacred. It is, yeah,

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it really is. It really really
is. And it's just you know,

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it is crazy that instead of like
nurturing it, you know, our

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society kind of says like, well, this is a sickness. But like

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I was a scientist, and I
feel like I did really well, Like

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I'm published. Oh nothing that anyone
would really want to read. It's like

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you know, research stuff, but
published is published, thank you. But

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like I really I totally bought in
to that whole like science life. And

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then so during this time, like
a few a couple of years ago,

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I started doing ketamine therapy and that's
when like I started getting off all my

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meds and I had these like wild
hallucinations while I was under and like they

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were always like like they worked with
my dreams to like heal me and like

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give me a more clear picture of
who I was and my identity and like

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I was. It was really really
healing for me. And I think like

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the spirit world and my dream life, like those things were what enabled me

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to like live a good life still
after everything that I've been through. And

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I especially like I have one relative, Mayawuelito, and he used to pray

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for me, like before I even
knew who he was. And I really

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feel like his love and his praying
for me to come home, like I

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I felt chills right now. Oh
my god, that's amazing. And I

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just I really feel like his love
was protecting me from like a much worse

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outcome, because I mean, I
lived a rough life, but I have

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a happy life now and I really, I really do believe that he's like

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still protecting me and he his love
helped me get here. Like I'm podcasting,

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I know you're making us all like
oh that's amazing, but like I'm

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even they really are. They really
are, and and they don't stop.

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Like I told I told another adoptee, like even if you don't know who

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your ancestors are, they know you, Like our ancestors know us and they

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love us, and even when they're
alive, and even if you're separated from

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them, like you know, I
really do think that love is sacred.

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It's like a sacred energy. And
I don't know, I've always felt like

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that, and I just try to
like the more I learn about my families,

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the more I understand myself and how
I'm not weird, Like I'm just

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more in to another part of life
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I don't think I could see anything
even if I wanted to. But

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like my mom and my great grandma, they both had like premonition dreams,

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like I've talked about it and other
episodes, but like if she dreams a

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baby someone at my great grandpa he
passed away before we met him, and

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my mom like you know, obviously
everyone loves their grandparents, but like she

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absolutely loved them. She was always
at their house, like their relationship was

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so close, and then obviously migration, like you know, just she didn't

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get to see them again before they
passed away. But ever since he passed

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away, she's she's him in his
in her dreams. We would like pray

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for him to help us out,
which, like I know, is like,

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oh, other religions are like,
oh, you can't pray to other

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people, But I think with Catholics
were all we're all like more spiritual.

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Yeah, and so I don't even
like I'm not I'm not a practicing Catholic,

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but I will ask still, like
my ancestors for help, like oh,

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bello, I we're making this long
drive. Protect us and not my

406
00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:30.480
grandpa because he passed away too,
So we'll be like protect us on this

407
00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:35.920
whatever, keep them safe. Like
that's super normal for us, and it's

408
00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:38.320
frowned upon in like other places,
but that's what's something we've Yeah, me

409
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:43.320
neither, that's something we've always done. And so like my mom kind of

410
00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:45.840
just taught us, like they're looking
out for you always. And so whenever

411
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:51.559
she dreams my great grandpa like upset, like he's he looks mad in his

412
00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:54.039
dream, like he's not looking at
her, or like she'll be trying to

413
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:57.599
reach him, like he'll be walking
somewhere and she's like, oh wait,

414
00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:00.599
wait for me. I'm trying to
catch up, and she can catch up

415
00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:02.800
no matter what. In her dreams. That means like something bad is going

416
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:07.199
to happen, and it usually it
comes true, like someone ends up passing

417
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:12.280
away after dreams like that, someone
in the family, a friend, or

418
00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:17.039
someone ends up like sick, it's
it's always always comes true. So like

419
00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:21.280
there's always these legends of like oh, bluecasters are so scary, but that

420
00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:24.800
I think that is like if my
mom wanted to get more into blue.

421
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:29.039
Yeah, it scares her, but
like that's she has that gift, Like

422
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:31.760
I don't have it. I've never
even to this day, Like my grandpa

423
00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:36.119
passed away and I just want to
dream where I see him and I don't

424
00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:39.519
have them and never remember my dreams
anyway, And Carmen she'll message me and

425
00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:43.079
be like oh, She'll message both
of us and she's like, oh,

426
00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:45.679
I dreamed that we were all in
Mexico and my Yabulita was there and like

427
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:51.440
we all hugged him, and I'm
like, oh that's beautiful. But yeah,

428
00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:54.360
I'm like so closed off. But
it's like for whoever. And it

429
00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:59.760
can also be like I think a
scary scary thing to totally something bad is

430
00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:02.239
going to happen. Yeah, like
it's like a like a curse. Yeah

431
00:36:02.599 --> 00:36:07.880
yeah. My grandma called him nightmares. Yeah yeah. Yeah, She's like,

432
00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:13.280
why do you want more of those? Like their nightmares? Yeah,

433
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:15.320
because my mom had the same thing. We remember, I told you,

434
00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:20.119
it's like the day before she got
her diagnosis, she had her grandma come

435
00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:22.559
to her in a dream and say, everything's gonna be all right, You're

436
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:25.119
gonna be cured. She and then
the next day, actually I think not

437
00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:29.559
even the next day. That day, mid day, she got a call

438
00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:31.960
it she had cancer. It was
crazy, but she already knew she was

439
00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:37.280
going to beat it because that was
that she was told. Yeah, it

440
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:43.559
was insane. And then my grandma
dreams everything that happens to the family.

441
00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:46.920
So she dreamt when my mom was
in a car crash, she dreamt when

442
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:52.920
my uncle was beaten by the police. She dreamt my mom's diagnosis. It's

443
00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:55.679
crazy. And then we get like
two days later, call, hey,

444
00:36:55.800 --> 00:37:00.440
I dreampt this, and my Mom's
like, oh, okay, so I

445
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:04.519
can't hide it from me. You
already know. Yeah, we can't hide

446
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:09.000
anything from my grandmother because she knows. She just knows and dreams. Yeah.

447
00:37:09.039 --> 00:37:13.400
That's how my grandma June was too. She was just like that.

448
00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:19.519
She dreamt, she just she knew
everything. And then right before because she

449
00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:23.480
just passed away not that long ago, and I had one of my ketamine

450
00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:30.360
infusions right before she went into hospice. She had dementia and she was like

451
00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:35.400
sometimes forgetting who I was. But
this time, I like had this dream

452
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:40.320
that her spirit was being called to
the next to the next world. But

453
00:37:40.400 --> 00:37:45.920
it wasn't like like we had had
a close call before, but this time

454
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:52.239
it felt like she was ready to
go, and I was able to like

455
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:54.840
tell everybody, like, hey,
I think Grandma is going to be put

456
00:37:54.840 --> 00:38:00.519
in hospice soon. And then like
a month later, she was put in

457
00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:07.480
hospice. Damn. Yeah, it's
crazy, but I really think that these

458
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:12.119
things they just run in some families. I really I believe that, like

459
00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:16.679
there's nothing like. So then when
I met the other side of my paternal

460
00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:22.280
family, this is what my aunt
left me. My great aunt left two

461
00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:29.159
tarot decks one and there's two like
her and her sister each had a grand

462
00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:31.920
baby and that's me and my cousin, and so there was one deck for

463
00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:37.159
each of us. And like so
it's literally for me on on all the

464
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:45.519
sides. Yeah, it was just
it was mind blowing to to like because

465
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:50.480
I was a total like did not
believe in any of this at all at

466
00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:54.599
all, like just edgy atheist,
like no, none of that. All

467
00:38:54.719 --> 00:39:00.239
atheists go through an edgy atheists time
period. I had mine too, or

468
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:01.559
I told my mom and I was
like, I don't believe in God anymore.

469
00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:05.239
And now I'm like now that I
don't know, I'm like my thirties

470
00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:08.119
and I don't know things have happened. I'm like, you know what,

471
00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:12.920
I don't go to church. I'm
not like a practicing religious person, but

472
00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:15.400
yeah, I believe there's something else
out there. There's you know, our

473
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:19.719
families are out there, yes,
you know, still protecting us. I

474
00:39:19.719 --> 00:39:27.400
don't pray to God. She's my
girl. Now now after I forgot what

475
00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:31.239
was it that I don't remember where
I was with my mom that and that

476
00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:37.119
there's this like Comedy Central scared.
I forget what the show is, but

477
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:43.480
some guys getting robbed and then he's
like, oh, but didn't protect me

478
00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:45.519
please? And then she shows up. She's like, oh, now you

479
00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:47.920
believe now you want to say to
me? It was like it was some

480
00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:52.920
situation not that serious at all with
my mom, Like I think I was

481
00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:54.440
gonna put something is so dumb,
like I think I was gonna fall in

482
00:39:54.519 --> 00:39:58.599
trip And I was like, oh, because to save me And she's like,

483
00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:02.960
oh I thought you were e Yeah, just in case, that's good

484
00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:15.599
it's me just the case I could
be wrong. Yeah, I just I'm

485
00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:19.000
like, I don't I don't know
what all is out there, Like I

486
00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:24.639
know what I experience in my head
amine journeys. I know, I definitely

487
00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:30.920
believe that this isn't like just the
end. But like I've become one of

488
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:35.519
the most spiritual people. I know. I'm definitely not religious. The Temple

489
00:40:36.039 --> 00:40:40.440
would be very unhappy with me.
I'm a terrible Jew. This is it's

490
00:40:40.519 --> 00:40:46.079
literally Russias Shanna. I'm like supposed
to be in temple right now. But

491
00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:51.239
but like this is like, this
is my my belief system. All has

492
00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:54.719
to do with my ancestors. That's
okay, we feel well, I would

493
00:40:55.079 --> 00:41:00.880
I'm a terrible Catholic. Oh cool, we can sit together. Yeah yeah,

494
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:06.599
yeah, we could be sinners together. I'm down. When when I

495
00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:12.320
was in Mexico last time and we
were visiting the my grandpa and like the

496
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:15.079
cemetery, my mom was like,
your kids aren't like baptized, so you

497
00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:22.679
need to Apparently it's like a thing
that unbaptized children when they go to cemeteries,

498
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:25.159
you have to like when you're leaving, you have to repeatedly say their

499
00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:30.440
name or their like spirit can stay
in the cemetery at my mom told me

500
00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:32.880
and my Theah, yeah, that's
what they both told me. Because my

501
00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:36.400
kids are not baptized. I'm not
it's too late. I'm not going to

502
00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:38.119
do it. But she was like, you have. We had to keep

503
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:40.760
calling them, and so all on
the way out, we're just like b's

504
00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:45.679
repeatedly stay in their names, like
follow us, follow us out, which

505
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:49.360
is also necessary because they're like toddlers
and they also wonder. So it worked

506
00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:53.039
both way. But and she also
was like, oh, and then like

507
00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:57.280
that and like give them the Still
I don't know how to do it.

508
00:41:57.320 --> 00:42:02.000
I can't remember what's it called in
English when you bless someone, Is that

509
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:07.960
what it is? Yeah? Yeah, you like touch you do like the

510
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:10.679
sign of the cross almost like you
move your hand like in four places.

511
00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:15.440
And then like it's like the because
we still have like a little like prayer.

512
00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:21.039
I guess the prayer that you begin
prayers with and end them with,

513
00:42:21.199 --> 00:42:23.440
or you're supposed to do. Sometimes
I'm like I forget, but it's the

514
00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:27.119
name of the Father is done in
the Holy Spirit, and it's you do

515
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:30.960
that to yourself and to people,
and it's like a blessing. It's like,

516
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:32.800
yeah, she was like do that
on the way out, and I

517
00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:36.079
was like, I don't remember how
She's like, oh my fucking god,

518
00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:43.400
like I can't believe you. And
I was like, I'm sorry. It's

519
00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:51.920
so funny, like the cultural like
little things that we like continue doing regardless

520
00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:54.480
of our belief systems, Like no, I'm still you know what I'm I'm

521
00:42:54.519 --> 00:43:02.639
like agnostics sometimes, but I'm still
gonna do this because just exactly, you

522
00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:07.480
never never know o jinks. I
think you said that at the same time.

523
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:15.559
I don't know. We'll find out
when I'm editing. But wow,

524
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:20.039
seriously, what an't I mean what
an amazing, amazing story just goes to

525
00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:22.840
show Like I don't know what I
was going to say after that, something

526
00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:28.280
about dreams and ancestors and how it's
all connected. Yeah, something, but

527
00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:34.880
like there was a better sentence in
my head that just didn't Yeah, yeah,

528
00:43:35.039 --> 00:43:39.159
it really is all connected, and
like you can't. You cannot live

529
00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:45.880
your life as someone else and be
okay, Like even if you have no

530
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:51.599
idea who you are or where you
came from, even if you were taken

531
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:54.800
out of your you know, family
when you were a baby, like you

532
00:43:54.840 --> 00:44:00.519
weren't you weren't a blank slate,
Like nobody is just born into this world

533
00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:05.320
as a blank slate. Like we
all have ancestors, we all have stories,

534
00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:12.119
and all of our families have been
affected by history, and that will

535
00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:16.440
not leave you, even if you
have no idea what it is. So

536
00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:22.000
oh my god, so true,
so true. This reminds me. On

537
00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:25.719
my other podcast, he study Asn't
Known and I covered I don't Thank you.

538
00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:30.639
We covered international adoptions. I want
to say, she did it was

539
00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:36.079
and what was he there was?
Yes, I was, Yes, I

540
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:43.320
was yelling. I cried like a
bitch during both of those episodes because and

541
00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:46.519
I think it was the Chila one
that Carmen covered that went into more depth.

542
00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:51.840
She went she covered like because there's
like I mean, it's a whole

543
00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:54.840
last hour and a half episode almost, but basically like during the war,

544
00:44:55.320 --> 00:45:00.760
people were being adopted out for profit. Basically I heard the don't do that,

545
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:04.320
they do they do that in this
country? Yeah, in this country.

546
00:45:04.440 --> 00:45:08.840
And like, because I was watching
this thing from uh now, adults

547
00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:14.119
who were taken by CPS and they
were like, my parents were never like

548
00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:16.880
that, but they just you see
it. Also with the migrant children's that

549
00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:22.159
were lost, that were missing.
I heard it happens a lot in It

550
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:28.239
happened a lot in Korea and a
lot of impoverished countries where kids go missing.

551
00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:32.360
It's because like these adoption agencies take
kids and then the parents and yeah,

552
00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:35.880
and the parents in the countries are
looking for them and then they find

553
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:39.760
them. Oh yeah they were adopted
out. Yeah, this happens everywhere that

554
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:46.800
America has had any type of conflict. They it's also like it's a it's

555
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:52.719
a yeah, it's a tool of
genocide and it takes Yeah, it really

556
00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:55.320
is. Yeah, it all leads
back to the US and white supremacy.

557
00:45:55.400 --> 00:46:02.480
And they actually they took my Latina
heritage off the paperwork because they could sell

558
00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:08.320
me for more money without it.
Oh wow, I'm not surprised at all,

559
00:46:08.519 --> 00:46:12.920
but yeah, that makes yeah.
But yeah, those those both of

560
00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:15.280
those episodes have stories of people like
later like they always felt like something was

561
00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:19.360
missing, something was wrong. I
didn't look like anyone else because they were

562
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:27.039
in countries like Switzerland and like these
European ass countries and they were the only

563
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:30.239
like Latino people, but they didn't
know they were and they never like stopped

564
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:35.280
feeling like something, they were missing
something, and then later they find a

565
00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:38.760
lot of these adoptees end up going
back to their countries with their biological families

566
00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:42.320
later. And when I heard all
those stories, oh my god, I

567
00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:45.280
create someone. I mean, that's
that's how I ended up here. Like

568
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:47.880
I moved from New York City,
and when I was little, I was

569
00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:52.400
like, just had this poll towards
the Redwoods, Like I wanted to live

570
00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:57.719
in the Redwoods when I was just
so beautiful. Yeah, that's where I

571
00:46:57.719 --> 00:47:02.639
live now. I'm jealous because I
grew up in the area and my dad

572
00:47:02.679 --> 00:47:08.360
would take us every like every year, multiple times a year, to go

573
00:47:08.440 --> 00:47:15.159
visit the Redwoods and take the pictures
next to the these I don't know,

574
00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:19.079
like they're giant, but it's like
more than giant. I don't know how

575
00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:21.760
to describe them, you know what
I mean, Like you look at them

576
00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:25.119
and yeah, they have presents.
It's like a like a almost like a

577
00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:29.119
titan or something, you know what
I mean. It has like this energy

578
00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:32.719
coming from them and always love that. They really do. The one that's

579
00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:38.679
right outside my window right now,
my neighbor named her Deborah, and that

580
00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:45.119
she's four hundred years old. It's
it's just such a peaceful place. And

581
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:52.960
like so many adoptees, we like
we long for our land and our people

582
00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:59.639
and our heritage. It's almost like
you're you're the familial ties are calling to

583
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:06.000
fooling. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, Like I feel like these trees are

584
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:10.760
my family, Like my family has
been coming to this place for generations and

585
00:48:10.840 --> 00:48:19.400
generations and generations, and I just
like I also had a hallucination on ketamine

586
00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:23.199
after my after my Grandma June passed
that she was like living in the tree.

587
00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:29.480
Oh and like that, yeah,
me too, And ever since then,

588
00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:32.039
I just I'm I'm so this is
the first time in my life,

589
00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:37.039
like I'm grounded, I'm putting down
roots, like this is my first real

590
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:42.599
home with these trees. Like I'm
I feel this sense of like I am

591
00:48:42.639 --> 00:48:47.920
finally where I'm supposed to be.
Amazing. I'm gonna cry. I love

592
00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:52.000
that. Yeah, you're making me
emotional. Sorry, guys, it's okay,

593
00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:58.559
It is okay. It's like it's
like what it's called when you're like

594
00:48:59.480 --> 00:49:01.000
it's a few feel good but it's
so feel good that you're just like,

595
00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:06.519
don't better cry, it's too feel
good. I can tell you some not

596
00:49:06.639 --> 00:49:15.719
feel good stuff. Ked happy tears
are better than like sad and scared tears.

597
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:20.639
Oh hell yes they are. I'm
done tears. Like I'm just hanging

598
00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:23.480
out here with the trees and the
bats. I love that. And another

599
00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:27.760
thing with the trees I don't like. I never really thought of this,

600
00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:31.559
but I was on TikTok scrolling and
it was someone who had like this again

601
00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:37.719
connection with like a grandparent, and
they were like I remember being little and

602
00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:40.119
my grandmother's saying, not all your
trees. Not all the trees are your

603
00:49:40.119 --> 00:49:45.360
friends. Some of them protect you, others do not, and like you.

604
00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:49.159
And I never noticed that, but
that is true. There's always like

605
00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:52.920
that one tree you're like, there's
something about you, and then there's other

606
00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:55.880
trees that you're like, I really
like you tree. I know I have

607
00:49:57.039 --> 00:50:02.280
like emotional attachments with me too,
and like sometimes like they get like a

608
00:50:02.320 --> 00:50:07.239
few of them got like a diseases, I don't know what, but like

609
00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:09.880
their their branches became brittle and they
were just like falling off. And then

610
00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:15.000
the apartment complex that I that I
have was like chopping them down, like

611
00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:16.800
crying. I was like calling my
mom was like mother gotting down the trees

612
00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:22.800
oh, it's like I've never felt
that. But again, it's probably because

613
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:27.559
I'm so close off and I don't. I get this like sadness in the

614
00:50:27.559 --> 00:50:30.840
pit of my stomach when I see
trees being cut down. I don't know

615
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:35.280
why. Same same, Yeah,
I don't like think you start crying moms

616
00:50:35.360 --> 00:50:37.159
Like, I know me too.
I feel sad and like ugly crying.

617
00:50:37.159 --> 00:50:42.119
And she's like, it's it's okay
me huh. I made my husband asks

618
00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:49.159
the tree if it was okay to
trim part of it. I love you,

619
00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:52.320
you have to tell the tree what
you're doing. Yeah. And I

620
00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:57.480
would feel so bad too as a
kid when people would rip off its sleeves.

621
00:50:57.480 --> 00:51:04.199
I'm like, don't do no,
just giving us the oxygen for real,

622
00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:09.800
It's it's yeah. So my adoptive
mom came to visit and like,

623
00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:13.840
you know how the trees are all
connected, like they're like a family.

624
00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:17.599
So my adoptive mom and dad they
came to visit, and she's like,

625
00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:21.679
I love the redwoods. Do you
think I could just take one home with

626
00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:23.880
me? And I was like,
I think you tried that and it didn't

627
00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:31.000
work. She did not get the
joke, so I had to explain it

628
00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:37.039
to her and that was like super
awkward. But before before they came to

629
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:44.119
visit my one of my adoptee friends
on Twitter was telling me that there's like

630
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:47.519
a lot of like the like you
were saying, the trees. Not every

631
00:51:47.559 --> 00:51:53.360
tree is your friend. And if
you, like I think that it it

632
00:51:53.519 --> 00:52:01.440
is dangerous to come into these woods
and disrespect disrespect nature because these trees they're

633
00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:07.320
large, and they have large branches, and the branch here for hundreds of

634
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:10.920
years, the things they have seen, the things they have seen and they

635
00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:15.400
have I believe that the woods have
capabilities that we don't understand that we are

636
00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:22.000
we just don't know. So that's
why I'm just like so cautious, and

637
00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:28.239
that's why I really try to,
like I don't know, like be respectful,

638
00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:31.440
be respectful, and try like I
don't look at these trees like I

639
00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:37.760
own this tree. This tree is
living with me, like we're living together,

640
00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:42.239
and I don't own them, like
they probably owned me more than I

641
00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:45.599
own them, Like they could just
fall on my house and I'll be you

642
00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:52.719
know, So I just like though, Oh, also, the Pomo used

643
00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:57.239
to call this place. I don't
know if I'm pronouncing this right, but

644
00:52:57.440 --> 00:53:01.840
Cola, which means the shady place. And they believed that if you built

645
00:53:01.880 --> 00:53:07.920
your that the redwoods all had spirits
like they like an essence, and that

646
00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:12.320
if you built your house out of
redwood, that the spirit would still live

647
00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:16.199
on in your house. And our
house is built out of redwood. Wow.

648
00:53:16.519 --> 00:53:22.239
So it just wow. And then
the whole story of like how we

649
00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:25.599
ended up with this house was just
it was just so many signs that like

650
00:53:25.719 --> 00:53:31.559
it's this one and I have never
felt so safe. But I was genuinely

651
00:53:31.599 --> 00:53:36.960
worried for my adoptive parents to leave. I'm like, I wonder if the

652
00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:39.719
woods are going to let them go, like you had to ask, like

653
00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:44.320
please let them leave in peace.
They mean they mean no harm, really

654
00:53:44.440 --> 00:53:46.360
like they're not gonna take anything.
We're not gonna take anything. At this

655
00:53:46.400 --> 00:53:55.480
point that anymore learned they have Actually
they have. So that's amazing. No,

656
00:53:55.559 --> 00:54:00.719
but that's why there's so many like
forest story, so many spirits tied

657
00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:04.440
to trees, like and that's like
across all clothes. You can see that

658
00:54:04.519 --> 00:54:07.119
because like they also say, like
you know, like those windows that live

659
00:54:07.159 --> 00:54:12.039
in the trees, and people like
always feel like kind of like some kind

660
00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:15.840
of way with those trees with the
wends in them, and I'm like,

661
00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:22.280
yeah, it's true. Like Pa, my grandma said that people who were

662
00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:30.760
really sensitive were better at like knowing, like feeling those things like seeing doend

663
00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:37.199
this and feeling the spirits and having
the dreams. And she was like,

664
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:42.000
you're so sensitive, and she's like, that's why you get the dreams.

665
00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:57.000
Oh wow, Well, I'm getting
hungry. So this is a good time

666
00:54:57.039 --> 00:55:00.880
to wrap up because my popeyes is
out there. But before we go,

667
00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:05.920
do you have any spooky recommendations?
Any type of media that's spooky that you

668
00:55:05.960 --> 00:55:10.320
want to recommend. That's a tough
one. I don't know. At this

669
00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:15.000
time. I should have been more
prepared, and I apologize no worries.

670
00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:21.599
Christina is usually prepared for all of
us. That is true. Well,

671
00:55:21.639 --> 00:55:24.079
then, MJ, do you have
any I don't know. I just rewatched

672
00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:28.960
Crimson Peak. That's about it.
Oh, I've been meaning to watch that

673
00:55:29.039 --> 00:55:35.800
since you mentioned it when we read
they haven't seen it, Like that's streaming

674
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:39.400
on Netflix, you know. I
want to say Netflix. I look,

675
00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:44.480
I'm pretty sure I sat on Netflix
to see their Netflix or Hulu because because

676
00:55:44.480 --> 00:55:47.159
those are the two apps I was
on today. Have you noticed Whula's been

677
00:55:47.159 --> 00:55:52.920
adding a bunch of horror. Yes, yeah, they know. They're like,

678
00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:55.800
became prepared this year. You guys
became prepared and I was a good

679
00:55:55.880 --> 00:56:01.039
job. Who Yeah. Yeah.
I don't have any like media type of

680
00:56:01.079 --> 00:56:06.519
spooky recommendations, but I do have
a sort of spooky recommendation. I bought

681
00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:09.000
some sheets, some white sheets,
and I'm gonna put them on my children,

682
00:56:09.079 --> 00:56:12.199
and then I'm gonna put a little
sunglasses on them, and then I'm

683
00:56:12.199 --> 00:56:16.960
gonna pictures of them. So I
recommend everyone takes some ghost pictures. I

684
00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:22.320
love blommendation. I love that.
Yeah, yeah, I will. I

685
00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:23.920
will show them when I have them. I was gonna do today, but

686
00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:27.679
then my husband wants to go get
the sheets too late. I could have

687
00:56:27.679 --> 00:56:30.320
gone early. Awesome. My daughter
wants to be Smarrow this year, and

688
00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:31.559
I'm like, how are we gonna
do that? You're gonna freak a lot

689
00:56:31.559 --> 00:56:40.360
of people out from the ring or
the ring I love. She has her

690
00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:45.840
really long hair because I haven't cut
it since she was born, so she

691
00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:49.079
has a really long hair, and
I'm like, black, yes, yes,

692
00:56:49.960 --> 00:56:54.320
you're gonna And her father is terrified
I'm talking about I cannot him make

693
00:56:54.400 --> 00:56:59.880
that man and like since I met
him watch the Ring and I was like,

694
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:01.840
girl, your your father's gonna die. He's just gonna see you.

695
00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:07.320
Just stop over. She's like,
I don't care. That movie is terrifying.

696
00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:13.559
I would be scared your daughter's And
then she's like he's thirty one years

697
00:57:13.599 --> 00:57:15.840
old. He needs to get it
together. I'm like, okay, damn.

698
00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:22.159
Yeah. It's like she won't kill
you like Samarrow does, but she'll

699
00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:29.920
do emotional damage. So emotionally she's
judging me. It's not even here,

700
00:57:30.039 --> 00:57:35.800
but she's judging ready. She's staid
eyeing everything. If she ends up with

701
00:57:35.840 --> 00:57:38.239
that Halloween costume, I need you
to like record a few tiktoks to her.

702
00:57:38.360 --> 00:57:40.960
She really wants she wants to be
an alien and Samarrow, I'm like,

703
00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:44.760
you know what, I can't.
I have to get a kid friendly

704
00:57:44.800 --> 00:57:45.960
costume for her to take to school. I was like, you can't.

705
00:57:46.039 --> 00:57:50.440
I'm not gonna take me like that. We're gonna scare all your friends.

706
00:57:51.199 --> 00:57:53.840
Yeah, that's so funny. I
think you should let her scare all her

707
00:57:53.840 --> 00:57:58.840
friends. I'm voting for that one. There's a video. I think I've

708
00:57:58.840 --> 00:58:00.639
talked about it before. It it's
like a little Asian girl and she's dressed

709
00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:06.159
as the thing from a spirited away. Spirited away. Yeah, and she's

710
00:58:06.199 --> 00:58:09.079
scarying everyone at the daycare. That's
what I picture that girl. That's the

711
00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:14.960
best. Yeah. I want to
be her friend, right, I feel

712
00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:22.119
like she knows things right? Yeah, okay, Well, how do I

713
00:58:22.280 --> 00:58:25.000
let us know if you've seen this
man? Actually, no, let me

714
00:58:25.039 --> 00:58:29.239
rephrase that. If you if you
see this man in your dreams, just

715
00:58:29.360 --> 00:58:34.480
punchmen, throw hands, throw hands. Yeah, please don't make love with

716
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:37.519
him, but don't do that if
you see him in the mental hospital.

717
00:58:37.480 --> 00:58:45.239
Yeah, yeah, just just turn
around and walk the other way. No,

718
00:58:45.480 --> 00:58:52.519
out of there, yep, yep. And yeah, anything else to

719
00:58:52.679 --> 00:58:57.840
add before we end this? I
think that's it, unless you know what,

720
00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:02.400
Let's remind the spookies that we're still
reading Silver Nitrate. Yeah, new

721
00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:09.000
pages in. I think I'm like
five. Oh okay, yeah, Carmen

722
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:14.760
has read more I think, but
not a lot either. So that's why

723
00:59:14.800 --> 00:59:19.159
it's the Speak Tales book Club for
busy people. Yeah people, we're still

724
00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:22.800
on the last book, so well, you know what, the episodes are

725
00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:28.119
there waiting for, you know,
whenever you finish the book. So yeah

726
00:59:28.159 --> 00:59:30.960
again for busy people. I think
the last one took us like four months,

727
00:59:31.039 --> 00:59:35.760
right yeah, and it's it was
the shortest book, so there was

728
00:59:35.800 --> 00:59:37.159
like it was just, oh my
god, it was insane. I feel

729
00:59:37.159 --> 00:59:40.559
like it was like it's such an
I mean, and that's saying something because

730
00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:44.960
this this time, I'm lates more
insane. I've only gotten like five pages

731
00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:47.800
in the book. I'm going to
read, I promise guys. I am

732
00:59:49.840 --> 00:59:52.960
well, I gotta read that,
me too, me too, yeah,

733
00:59:52.960 --> 01:00:00.000
Silver Nitrate. And then I'm excited
for the next one, the Vampires.

734
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:01.960
Oh my god, I cannot wait
for that one. That one's just I

735
01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:07.599
started it. My bad, I
need to read the other one first.

736
01:00:07.599 --> 01:00:09.559
But I did start it, and
like chapter one is already like oh my

737
01:00:09.599 --> 01:00:13.960
god, this is insane. So
oh I can't wait. Like that's just

738
01:00:14.039 --> 01:00:15.559
it's just calling my name. I
have it on my shelf and it's like

739
01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:19.840
read me, read me, and
I'm like, I can't. I can't.

740
01:00:19.880 --> 01:00:28.159
I have a few more books patience. Yeah, all right, Well

741
01:00:28.880 --> 01:00:31.960
stay a spookie and we'll catch everyone
next time. Bye bye bye,