March 7, 2025
The Witches of El Paso Book Club Episode
If you call to the witches, they will come. In 1943, El Paso, Texas, teenager Nena spends her days caring for the small children of her older sisters and longing for a life of adventure. The premonitions and fainting spells she has endured since...
If you call to the witches, they will come. In 1943, El Paso, Texas, teenager Nena spends her days caring for the small children of her older sisters and longing for a life of adventure. The premonitions and fainting spells she has endured since childhood are getting worse, and Nena worries she’ll end up like the scary old curandera down the street. Nena prays for help, and when the mysterious Sister Benedicta arrives late one night, Nena follows her across the borders of space and time. In the present day, Nena’s grandniece, Marta, balances a struggling legal aid practice with motherhood and the care of the now ninety-three-year-old Nena. When Marta agrees to help search for a daughter Nena left in the past, the two forge a fierce connection. Marta’s own supernatural powers emerge.
In this book club episode, Carmen and Cristina recap the book, then answer discussion questions and rate the book.
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Hi, this is Christina and Carmen, and this is another
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episode of a booky Tales, but not a normal episode today. No,
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it's finally book Club Club episode book Club book Club,
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book Club book Club op. It's outside down, that's how
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can you read? And you did not read? Yes, we
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finally made it. We survived. This was besides the U
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S taine forever with the book. I have had a day.
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It's yeah, a mess. I don't want to talk about it, virtue.
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I'll just say that I do want to talk about it. No,
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I don't, all right anyway. Also, we took very long
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reading this one. Well, I don't think we took that
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long actually reading it, but doing the notes on it
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that took long. That took long. I just kept forgetting
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and then I basically had to like skim the entire
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book again and the past three or four days because
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I couldn't remember anything, And I was like, why the
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fuck didn't I just write these right away when I
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finished it. I honestly I think that I should recap
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it because I finish it sooner usually, But the thing
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is writing the recap No, I know, yeah, yeah, but
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that's what I mean, Like if I just do it
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right when I finish it. Yeah, that's true, when you
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finish it. Also, on the plus side of this horrible
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day that has been for me today, our curls are
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curling today. Oh yeah, your curls look so you'll see
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the picture we said, but episodes. Yes, Oh, I was
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going to introduce the book, but I guess you're doing it. Huh. Yeah,
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And we did read the Witches of Elpaso. This is
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our first book club book of the year. Wow. Yeah.
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We announced it December, no before. Oh my god. Yeah,
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well here we are a few months later. Yes, we
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are talking about the Witches of elpas by Luis Caramillo.
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And I will say I love the cover. It's giving
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beautiful gowns. Beautiful gowns, right, yes, not sheety, because you
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know that was what Who was it that said that
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about Taylor Swift? Oh, I don't know. I'm got a
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loop on this. You don't get the reference. No, well,
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I feel like I have to tell you, okay, Arita
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Aretha Franklin said it? What did she say? New album
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is about divas. I want to throw out a few
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names of davas instead of get your one word reactions,
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to get your impression of various singers. So when I
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say that the name of Deele, will comes to mind
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the singer good singer, Alicia Keys Young performer, good writer,
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producer Taylor Swift. Okay, great, great gownsfuls Uh Whitney Houston.
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Whitney was a talent. Beautiful, beautiful gowns. I see. I
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know about this cover, beautiful cover, beautiful cover, beautiful gown. Yes,
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average inside, but we'll get to that later, we will. Yeah,
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do you want to read the synopsis? Okay, so synopsis.
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If you call to the witches, they will come. Nineteen
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forty three, El Paso, Texas, teenager Nana spent her days
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caring for the small Turgan children of her older sisters
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and logging for a life of adventure. The premonitions and
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fainting spells she has endured since childhood are getting worse,
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and Nana worries she'll end up like the scary old
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Kurandera down the street. Nana prays for help, and when
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the mysterious sister Benedicta arrives late one night, Nana followed
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her across the borders of space and time. In colonial Mexico,
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Nna grows into her power, finding love and learning that
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magic always comes with the price. In the present day,
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Nana's grand niece Marta balances a struggling legal aid practice
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with motherhood and the care of the now ninety three
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year old Nena. When Martha agrees to help search for
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a daughter Nana left in the past, the two four
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j fierce connection Martha's own supernatural powers emerge, nan her
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to the new possibilities that they're in the life she
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has constructed. Yes, and I forgot to say at the top,
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but in our book Club episodes, the way they work
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is that first we do first we announce it's a
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book Club episode again book Club. Yeah, we say book Club,
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booklub a few times. Then Carmen reads a synopsis that's
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actually from the back of the book, usually so that
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it's spoiler free, and that's it. That's our only spoiler
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free section after this spoiler's galore, because it's an entire
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recap of the whole book. At the end of the recap,
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we do discussion questions. I, for one, love a recap
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even if I haven't read the book. I also love
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bother recap because I'll listen to it and I'll be like,
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do I want to read this exactly? I love it
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too when I have read the book, no matter how
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long ago, because I'll usually remember some parts of it,
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and so I love a recap to hear what other
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people think. In fact, you know what, I'll have some
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instead of stupooky recommendations, some book recommendations or something. I
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don't know you would call it. At the end of
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the episode, I just discovered a new book club podcast.
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What's my point of that? What book club podcast? It's
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called mean book Club, Mean book Club. I need to
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look at being mean. We know, we know, we know
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not And I said that raising my hand because I
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have been personally victimized by Carmen. I've been personally victimized
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by me too, So yeah, look at us. I've been
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personallyed by you two. Don't act like you're not mean. No,
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you're right, you're right, you're right. Yeah, that's right. Okay.
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So now from here we're doing the recap. We're going
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through the book. I am skipping parts. Obviously it's not
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like a word for word that'd be crazy. But with
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this is the recap part, and then after that we
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do discussion questions throughout the recap right, and then the
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discussion questions we do thoughts throughout the recap, and then
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what are rating at the end? Yes, and then our reading.
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So the recap, let's get into it. The book starts
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with an angry woman named Sophia spitting at Martha the worst,
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the worsest thing you can do is spare someone, oh,
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truly discussing. Yeah, Sofia tells Martha that her life is
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falling apart and that it's all Martha's fault. The woman
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tells her or Sophia tells her that she wishes she
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never met her or Linda, and then she she tells
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Martha they're all witches and they put the evil eye
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on her. Sofia wants to drop the case, and Martha's like,
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don't be stupid, and then Sophia storms out and being
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spit on, talks to you like this has never happened to Martha.
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She's like, what the fuck, bitch? What? And I'm gonna
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say this now, but we don't learn it yet, but
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we learned throughout the book what this is about. Martha
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is a lawyer. She's representing women, a group of women
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in a case like it's a very powerful man. His
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name is Bencamino, and he owns Soto pe Cans and
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it's a set, actual harassment case with multiple women, and
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of course these women are low income, undocumented, you know,
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the most at risk when it comes to this kind
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of stuff. And as Sophia points out to Martha, most
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of the people in this case, in this lawsuit, they
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don't have papers or rich husband like Martha. She says
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that to her. And we also learned that the firm
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Martha works for needs to win this case because they
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only have enough money to stay open for like two
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more months. And her boss, the firm owner, Jerome, doesn't understand,
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care or realize the gravity situation, maybe a mix of
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those things. He's old and so him and Martha, And
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this is not back to the recap. That was just
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a little explanation of the lawsuit. Yeah, it takes a
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while to get there, and I kind of wish they
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would have said sooner, like, yeah, the fuck is happening anyway. So,
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while Jerome and Martha are talking about this case, Martha
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gets a phone call from her great aunt, her Tia Abuela,
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and Nana is worried because I'm sorry, Martha is worried
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because Nana doesn't call at this time of day, so
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she's like, I better go see what she wants, better
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go figure out like help her or whatever, because it's
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weird for her to call right now. And she's walking away.
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Jerome is like, oh, is that your tiad the Witch?
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And Martha's like, don't call her that. Then we go
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to Nana, and to me, it was not clear right away.
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But we're in the past with Nana. Oh, were you
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listening in this part or were you reading? Yeah? I
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was listening and wasn't reading. If you're reading it, yes, yeah,
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it was so Nana. We go to Nana's point of
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view now. Also, I just feel like there's no transitions.
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It's just I don't know. I guess maybe a transition
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isn't necessary. Well, because each it's a different chapter. Yeah,
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I feel like that's oh sorry, in the audiobook, there
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is no transition. Oh it's hard to tell. Yeah. So
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when it went to Nana, I was like, well, Martha's
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about to go see Nana, so oh, and then it
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starts talking about Nana but in the past. Confusing. Yeah,
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that was confusing to me. Yeah, So we go to
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Nana and it's in the past. With Nana. She's living
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with her sisters Orga and Luna. Their parents have passed away.
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Nana is not like her sisters, and we also learned
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this as World War two era. Luna and Olga husbands
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are both gone in World War two fighting overseas. And
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because Nana is not like the other girls, she's not married.
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She's very different though not like in a tomboyish way,
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not like the other girls parents. This is deroatory again,
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she's not like them because she's not in the same
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stage of life as am. I guess she's not. She's
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seeing ya all. Yeah. She also thinks she's uglier. Yeah,
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and she's been told this like by the family, Like
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it's like not just her own thing she made up,
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like she has reasons to feel this way. Yeah. And
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her personality also is like like like an ugly personality
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bracelet to her sisters a break Yeah, and that and
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these are things that are told to her. Yeah, I
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don't think that about her. In fact, I think that
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about math fat No, in fact that you know, oh
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even later, we will get to it anyway. So, yeah,
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we learned she's not like her sisters. Her sisters both
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work because now the husbands are gone. They need to
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make money, so they're working and Nana is taking care
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of her nibblings a wile her sisters are working. But
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it's like a thankless job her sisters. Her sisters are
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kind of bitches, honestly. Yeah. I was team Nana the
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whole way, the whole time. Me too, Me too, because
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like she's doing them a favor. She's not their sleeve,
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she's not their servant. Yeah, and yet they're acting like
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she is. And so Nana's taking care of the kids
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all day. Her sisters get home and knack her about
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like things that are not clean, and then they go
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out at night. Yeah, so she's taking the care of
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the kids twenty four to seven. These are not her kids, right,
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these are nibblings. Okay, Like you get it. You love
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your niblings, but no, you're not there. You're not supposed
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to be treated like this when you're taking care of them.
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It should be like a special Plus, she's young and
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she wanted to continue her education if I'm remembering right,
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and she couldn't because she had to take care of
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them exactly. So you know, Nana's in the midst of this.
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She's in she's in it, she's deep in it. And
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she says, as they say, thank you, that's what I
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was looking for and I couldn't remember phrase. I'm anything
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worse than being in the parenting trenches to children that
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you did not choose to birth. And I say that, yeah,
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also for you know, women dad are forced to enter pregnancies.
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But yeah, you know, yeah, of course. So Nana in
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the trenches is thinking about her own childhood and what
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led her to live like this. She's like, man, I
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don't want this. And you know, we learned through her
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looking back now that she's always had these visions that
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have made life absolutely worse for everyone. So another reason
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why they don't like her already, right, Yeah, And when
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she sees these visions, she hears this buzzing sound and
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like ladybugs are always around her, and she's like, why
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are they here? Lea me lone? Ladybugs and these visions
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that come with this buzz they're never as straightforward as
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they seem. And she's contemplating all this life and it's
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four am. She hears the baby's crying. She's like, oh
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my god. And she hears the humming, that familiar buzz
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hum when a vision's coming or something, and she says
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to herself, help me, Please let me be something more
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than I am now, Please God, let me be brave
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and have adventures. In the middle of all this buzzing,
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she hears a woman calling her name. She goes outside
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to follow her voice, and then she sees a woman
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with a black veil and a black riboso. Super creepy,
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like I was picturing this, and I was like, oh
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my God, like yeah the imagery also like I pictured it,
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very gothic, you know, like yes, yeah, yeah. The woman
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tells Nana. The woman in black tells Nana she's come
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to bring her home. Nna, of course, it's like I
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am home. The woman tells her that someone named Madrino
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Senda has come to take her to the Aquilare and
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that if she's like them, then her visions are stronger
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and they can help her with this. It's called levista.
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They can help her control it. And then I was like, oh, yeah,
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I do have visions, that's true, and yeah this is
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getting worse. I'm having fainting spells and I'm not remembering
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things things like that. So she follows her. She goes
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through whatever like a little portal almost, and so now
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they're like in a convent, and then I was like,
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why is there a convent? But it's like there's brujas
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and the woman who still hasn't introduced herself, it's like,
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