The Superior Alignment Cult in Altamira, Brazil

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Hi everyone, and this is Christina
and Carmen and this is another episode of

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As Spooky Tells, the podcast for
all things as Spooky, sometimes to crime.

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Sometimes they mixed in a little bit. Today is depressing. I'm sorry

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this episode needs a trigger warning for
child abuse and murder. Oh yes,

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yes, I'm talking about a cult, Carmen, a cult that maybe you

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haven't heard of. It's in Brazil. It's the Superior Universal Alignment cult.

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I don't think I have. I
thought maybe you were going to tell me

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about the lady who was a pastor
also and then she had a bunch of

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orphans that she claimed were her children, and it was kind of like a

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cult. Oh is that in Brazil? Yeah? Oh well, let's add

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that on for a future topic.
I know a little bit about her,

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but no, no, this is
a I guess another colt in Brazil.

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Okay, okay, yeah yeah,
but before we get into that, I

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Dre via Instagram and here it goes, hey booz ghost emoji. I have

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a short scary story to share.
So, like eleven years ago in twenty

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twelve, my boyfriend now husband,
congrats, congrats. Yes, my boyfriend

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now husband and I used to take
day to night drives into Angelus Chrisforest here

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in California. We are big on
stargazing and always looking for UFOs and the

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unknown. I remember one night we
drove up there and I don't remember exactly

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why, but we started arguing.
I then wanted to go home, so

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we started driving back to the city. I get motion sickness, so I

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remember we pulled into this empty lot
so I could calm down. The forest

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has a lot of stops, so
it's hella secluded, and if you've ever

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been in the forest at night,
you know it's pitch black unless there's a

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full moon. So we pull over
and we continue arguing, when all of

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a sudden, my hobbie says his
chest hurts and he starts grabbing it.

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He's saying he can't breathe. Ooh, that's not good. He can't breathe

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and it hurts, and I'm like
this food. She thought he was making

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it up. I tell him to
stop fucking around and lying. He's like,

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doubled over, doubled over. She's
like, bitch, stop. All

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of a sudden, you want to
get a heart attack when it's convenient for

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you. You want to die in
the middle of this argument that we haven't

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resolved. Okay, no, he
tells me, I'm not. I think

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I'm having a heart attack. Then
all of a sudden, we start feeling

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the car sway and rock. Mind
you, we're still inside the car with

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the car running and our headlights on. At first we think, oh shit,

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there's an earthquake, but then we
see this black cape thing circling the

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car the fuck The best way I
can describe it, it was like a

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ghost or death from the movie The
Frighteners. I don't know that movie.

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I'm picturing a de mentor. That's
what I'm picturing too. She then says,

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I haven't seen it. I suggest
it. It's a good end of

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nineties film. So we freak the
fuck out and book it down the hill

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and get to the city slash civilization. Once we're out of the forest,

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my hobbies started feeling better, and
we didn't go back for a good month

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or two till this day. When
we drive by that lot, we always

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get shivers and wonder what the fuck
we saw that night? Shock emoji.

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I mean, wow, that's scary. Yeah. Yes, We've had a

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bunch of spooky, weird, unexplained
events happened to us, and right now

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we have found ourselves dealing with our
son seeing my dad. Oh I just

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lost my dad last year in May
twenty twenty two, so sorry for your

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loss. Now our son is telling
us he sees old Papa, which is

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what he called my dad, and
stuff about my dad and his passing that

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he shouldn't know he's only seven,
and it crews me the fuck out.

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But in a sweet way. I
would be like, that's cute, but

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I would also be terrified. Yeah, yeah, you know. She could

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just be like, Dad, I
love you, I'm glad you want to

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see my son still, but it
is a little scary for me, and

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maybe it'll stop. I think so, I think so, I think with

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loved ones that would one hundred percent
work. Yeah, thank you for your

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time. I can't wait for a
new episode. Do you guys make me

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feel like I know you in real
life and have me laughing like a damn

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donkey haii slash Hyaena. Not to
mention I'm always scared as fuck sleeping with

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the lights on and forcing my cat's
slay a bit of me much love,

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support and spooky vibes and a lot
of heart emojis and a pumpkin emoji.

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Thank you for your story and again
sorry for your loss. But also I

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think you're red carman. I think
when you tell the ghosts of all love

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them like, hey, I'm scared, like I love you, but I'm

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I'm as spooked I think to leave. Yeah, yeah, and we'll accept

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the spooky vibes, but like only
like pretend spook vibes, not real spooky

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vibes. No, not real spooky
vibes, just cute as spooky vibes.

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Like I don't know what a cute
a spooky vibe is, but I'll take

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that one. Like, oh,
listen to your scary stories, but I

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want no part in them. Yes, I yeah, I don't want to

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see anything because I would die and
literally like that would be the end of

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me. I'm not kidding when I
say make Aguay memoile, That's exactly what

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I would do, like if I
saw something for real. Okay, but

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make sure you work cute underwear.
Yeah that's what we said last episode.

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Yeah you're so yeah, thank you
again for the story. Again. If

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you want to send a story,
email it or DMS, that's fine either

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one. So onto today's topic.
Uh, the I forgot that I'm already

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something something the Brazil Superior Universal Alignment
Cult Alignment Alignment Cult. Yeah yeah,

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and it's not your everyday regular cult. There's ties here to aliens, satanism,

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dark magic. Maybe it is your
ever I was about to say what

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it's about, right, Yeah,
you're right, because Heaven's Gate did involve

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aliens. I was watching a Fundy
Friday's video recently about man. What is

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it called something love? Oh?
The is it? The Love has One

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Cold? Yes? Yeah, and
that was also some alien stuff. Yeah

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you're right, this is your everyday
cold. Yeah. Okay, So welcome

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So thank you for doing that superior
universal alignment. It began in nineteen

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eighty one. And the leader of
the cult is Valentina de Andrad so a

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woman leader Andrade. That last name
is cursed. Do we know any good

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people with the last name Andrede?
I don't know. I know to andrads

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right now and this one. Yeah, so not good for the Andrads.

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If you're good Andrede, let us
know, no, that way we know

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they exist. Yeah yeah, so
yeah, that was her name. She

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was born in Gracigno, Brazil,
and there's not much about her early life,

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at least not that is public.
She was a preacher red flag.

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Yeah, think that being a preacher
at some point is a prerequisite a red

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flag and a prerequisite to being a
cult leader. That's why I couldn't be

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a cult leader. And I can't
preach. Could you be a cult leader

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or no? I don't think I
could be because I just don't. I

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don't have that much charisma or risks
as a youth say, I see you're

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using the word now. Yeah.
I don't have leadership skills. I don't

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want them. I remember when I
was in the army, they'd be like,

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you need to be a leader.
I'm like, actually, I'm a

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follower. You know, I think
I could be if I wanted, I

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could, But it's tiring. It's
tiring to be. And I say that

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because I'm sort of in a leadership
position right now, because I have an

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intern and it's exhausting. It really
is. Whenever I have the trained people

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at work, I'm like, ooh, what do I even say? What

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do I do? And then I
get tired. Yes, it's just tired.

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Like I don't think I could be
a cult leader. And yeah,

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so I'm a follower. I couldn't
be a cult leader. Yeah. But

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Valentina Andrade here she is a cult
leader. So not much is known about

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her early life. She has a
memoir or book where or a biography on

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her website. I'm not sure all
three. Did she write it? I

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don't know where this came from.
Yeah, she wrote her own biography as

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well on her website. So she
mentions in her biography that she she's illiterate,

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that she could read if she wanted
to, but it would like not

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go with her spiritualness, like it
would ruin the connection she has with the

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spiritualness. Okay, that's why she
doesn't choose to read, but she could

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she wanted to. That's on her
biography. Okay, yes, a little

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weird to say. Yeah to me, this kind of shows that she is

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from maybe a disadvantage background. She
also mentions that she never owned any toys

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when she was young. They had
no money for bicycles, toys, no

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money. So I'm like, yeah, that fits then. Yeah. And

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she also mentions in her biography that
she is a romantic, a loyal,

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extrovert, and that she has never
done anything to disturb her conscious and she's

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never done anything evil. Yeah,
a little weird to say in a biography,

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righting, Like I'm Christina and I
don't do anything evil. Okay.

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It's like people that all the time
they keep saying they're a good person over

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and orien, and it's like,
if you have to say it that much,

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then it's probably not true. Like, hey, hey, I'm a

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good guy. Okay, I'm a
good guy. I'm a nice guy.

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Yeah. Yeah, that's what she's
given me. She's given me nice guy

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vibes. Because if you have to
announce that you are not evil, I

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don't know. If you're a colde
leader, that kind of means that you

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did some bad stuff, right,
because you had to control people and manipulate

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them into your cult, and you
liked it. Not only were you evil,

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but you liked it. Yeah.
But in her own biography, in

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her own words, she's not evil, Okay, She's never done anything evil.

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At twenty one, she had a
spiritual awakening. She claims that she

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was contacted by aliens that warned her
about the end of the world and that

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if she spread word about this end
of world date, she and her followers

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would be saved from doomsday by the
aliens. They would come up in a

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ship and save them, which gave
me Heaven's Gate vibes. Yeah. And

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the aliens also told her that Jesus
Christ is an alien. He's not the

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son of God, He's an alien, okay, which kind of made me

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think of raptor Jesus. Raptor Jesus. Yeah. Have you seen those images

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people just like draw Jesus as a
raptor? I have, Yeah, I'm

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sure you have. She claims she
has proof of this, but she hasn't

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shown anyone this proof. This is
on her book, okay. But also

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she was very welcoming to all in
her preaching in her church okay, like

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that one guy. Yes, this
actually gave me Jim Jones vibes. Yeah,

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yeah, that's what I was saying. Enough. Yes, So she

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was especially welcoming to the LGBTQIA peeps, the folks, the Kays and days.

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She was very nice to them,
and a time when no one else

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was, because again, these are
the eighties, not a good time for

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people. I think we're like in
full fledge say panic mode. I think

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we're in like full fledged homophobia HIV
crisis. Yeah, so people were not

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welcoming. I mean like even today
people are very very still be set in

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their ways, but back then worse. So she was welcoming to everyone when

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no one else was. She said
that the aliens told her like, hey,

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love has no rules. When you
love someone, you love them it

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doesn't matter who they are in that
sense, aliens are right. Yeah,

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so I can't believe I agree with
her. Yeah one thing, because there's

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a little bit much out there that
I'm like, never mind, but this

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one thing we can't agree on.
Yeah. So she would tell like in

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her preaching, like you know,
parents, you need to love your children

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even if they're this or that.
Accept everyone except all and yeah, Valentina.

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Then dada, you're right, You're
right about that. So this is

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how she grew her following. She
would preach these things, even the weird

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parts, the aliens and stuff.
Yeah, doomsday, oh, prices in

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alien Yeah, she would preach all
that. But also she was welcoming.

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She also said she had clairvoyant powers, so she could tell the future,

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and people believed their people went to
her and her little town for readings and

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stuff like that. And she also
published the book on her beliefs. This

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book was called God the Great Scam, and this grew her popularity even more

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somehow, I don't know. In
the book she laid down all these beliefs,

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this stuff about aliens, this stuff
about doomsday. But she also said,

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and this is a quote from her
book, watch out for children.

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They are unconscious instruments of the great
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a little mean, but I don't
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they're the embodiment of evil. Yeah. That's a belief and fundamental Christian it

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is, isn't it. Yeah,
that children are like in evil, that's

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why you need to train it out
of them or whatever. Mm hmm.

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here. But I think it's easy, especially in this timeframe, the years

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we're in in a religious country or
maybe people are questioning things where maybe there's

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people looking for more. I think
it's easy to take bits and pieces of

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Christianity and then like make them worse
than they already, so like, oh,

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this is evil, as if it
wasn't bad already. Yeah, yeah,

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exactly, And that's what she did. Like we've said before, I

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do think anyone could fall into being
a cult. Oh yeah, fall into

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a cult. I mean, like
it doesn't take you to be I don't

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know, dumb, or anybody could
fall, especially someone in a vulnerable stage.

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somewhere and you find this one place

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that doesn't accept you, and yeah, maybe they're a little weird at first,

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maybe you're like, well that doesn't
check out, but you started listening

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to maybe one part and then maybe
the rest it is like a little more

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believable bit by bit. So yeah, she grew her following. This was

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the beginning of the cult. Nineteen
eighty one. But this is when things

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kind of started getting a little darker
darker. So again, she believed children

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were evil. I'm scared. Yeah, she believed all children born after nineteen

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eighty one were the reincarnation of evil. Any child born after nineteen eighty one

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would not be saved by her spaceship
aliens because they were evil. And so

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if anyone was a member of her
colt and they had a child after nineteen

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eighty one, they had to give
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her, but they could not be
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born after nineteen eighty one. So
this kind of sets like anyone after nineteen

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eighty one no evil. She never
told her followers when doomsday would happen exactly

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when, of course, because she
needed to keep changing the goalpost as manipulative

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people do. Exactly again reminds me
of Heaven's Gate. Yeah, but yeah,

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she kept that date to herself.
She made her believers believe she was

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like the almighty Savior. She's the
one who could connect with these aliens who

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would then save her. Therefore,
she's the savior on yeah, only her.

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She started telling her followers to rid
themselves of negative energy. This meant

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they had to do away with their
male sons because she considered them to be

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the most evil beings on earth.
What about adult men, They're fully out

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here on the earth and you're always
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my thought too. So because she
refused to share the date of the end

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of the world her believers, they
started feeling like they were the ones not

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doing enough, and that's why that
doomsday wasn't happening. That's why the group

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hadn't been picked up yet by the
spaceship because there was still too much negative

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energy in the world and the group
had to purge the world no more evil.

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And again little boys were the embottom
embody. Oh my god, I

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can't say that word. Embodiment,
embodiment, embodiment, Yeah, of all

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evil. So this is when boys
started disappearing in Alta media Brazil. This

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is like nineteen eighty nine timeframe is
when boys started disappearing. But it's also

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coincides with her telling her Could this
coincidence? I don't know. I don't

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think so. I think they're related. So boys in Alta media from ages

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eight to thirteen started to disappear in
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nineteen boys were reported missing. And
of course I think every time we

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think that there's or every time we
think about the boys that are reported missing,

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there's some that were not ever reported, especially because a lot of these

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boys were from poor families or were
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So then you have to think there
has to be more victims. Yeah,

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at least I tune. That's where
my brain goes. These disappearances,

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they were never solved, but they
were connected to disappear universal Alignment cult,

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if only like very loosely connected,
because nothing was ever like confirmed, no

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evidence was tied to them or anything
like that. Yes, So in nineteen

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ninety seven, when Valentina told her
followers that the spaceship never came because their

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followers weren't loyal enough, there was
still too much negative energy, still too

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much evil, and still too many
evil children. Boys started going missing,

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Like that's strange. The boys fit
the timeline of having been born after in

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nineteen eighty one, which she also
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one are evil, Like it fits. It fits the bodies that were found

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of these nineteen children, they all
showed signs of sexual abuse. Oh my

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god, and many were missing their
genitals. Oh my god, it's terrible.

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It's truly horrifying. The first victim
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Joseph. He disappeared August second,
nineteen eighty nine. He was found alive,

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but he was seriously injured and had
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On November sixteenth, nineteen eighty nine, ten year old Otonnielle went missing.

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He was working at the time.
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Altamira. During the delivery of domingoes, the man pulled Otorielle into an isolated

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area, placed a cloth over his
mouth nose, and the cloth had a

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weird sent to it. Otonielle fainted. When he woke up, he was

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in pain and there was blood everywhere. No turns out o tooniel had been

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raped and castrated. Oh my god, this is horrible. It's horrible.

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He was rushed to the hospital.
He underwent surgery, but he never recovered

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unfortunately. Oh my god. And
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July, nine year old Wilde de
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town when a stranger approached him.
The man asked Waldi Clay for his help

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getting a kite off a tree.
It was stuck in the tree, and

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you know, the man said he
needed his help. The before he knew

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it, there was a cloth over
his face while the Clay passed out.

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He woke up later again like the
other two boys, bloody and in pain.

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He same thing had also been raped
and castrated. He was the third

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boy in the same exact condition.
So finally police started connecting the cases.

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They were like, well, maybe
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more cases just kept happening. January
twentieth, nineteen ninety one, thirteen year

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old Tito Mendez went missing. He
was never found. He was last seen

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swimming at Titres Pontes Stream and an
eyewitness saw him leaving with a man,

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but he was never found. A
little bit later, May fifth, the

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fifth boy went missing. Ten year
old Alton Fonseca disappeared. He was found

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forty six days later dead. He
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his body disappeared before an autopsy could
be completed. What if which is now?

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It's like, now that's just suspicious. Now that just made me think

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that there's someone that does autopsies involved
or like a police officer or someone in

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government that can make a body disappear
from moreue because not anybody can just do

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that. Yeah right, I don't
know, it's weird. In August nineteen

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ninety one, eleven year old J
C. B when missing. He was

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never found, and then again more
more cases. January nineteen ninety two,

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a thirteen year old Huri lay De
Kunya. He went missing. He was

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seen with an unknown man and he
was found later castrated, naked, cuts

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everywhere, burns everywhere. Oh my
god, the cases didn't stop. I'm

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not going to go into everythingle of
them because they're all terrible. They're all

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equally terrible. But yeah, Ed
Naldo de Susa, Highness de Silva,

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Klepson Ferira, Maudisio Farraz de Susa, trenand Santos Flabio Lopez da Silva and

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then a fourteenth victim just initials RFS
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went missing. Some of them were
found with the same signs of torture,

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castration, bleeding everywhere, some were
never found, and they were all seen

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either with one man or two was
like the last that was seen of them,

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all missing genitals, very terrible,
terrible things. And it's not known

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which of the boys escaped and then
ran to the police for help. I

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don't know which one, but one
of these fourteen boys was alive and escaped

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and went to officers for help.
He told the officers that several people locked

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him up. He accused the boy
accused, the son of a wealthy landowner,

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a police officer, two doctors,
and Valentina Andrade. Wow, that's

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what he named. Yeah, And
even then, most of these cases were

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never fully investigated because either there was
not enough evidence, there was no witnesses,

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there was all the bodies were like
they weren't alive. They couldn't say

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what happened until this boy. And
of these fourteen, only half of them

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were actual open investigations. Through the
boys testimony, they I don't know,

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I guess followed it and found one
man named Rotilio de Susa, who they

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arrested for this. But then this
man died in jail and the disappearances didn't

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stop. So it sounds like they
just needed someone to blame. Yeah,

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and it was just this man.
Like it became obvious it wasn't him.

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Because the disappearances continued, police then
came to a new conclusion. They were

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like, okay, these are doctors
that are performing these castrations, which that

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is corroborated by what the boy said. He said there was two doctors,

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that's what he told police. Two
doctors. The police officer, the son

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of a wealthy landowner, and then
Valentina Andrade. So the police were like,

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all right, well it's these two
doctors. And they were like,

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these doctors are luring the boys to
cut out their organs and sell it on

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the black market. That's what they
concluded. They said the doctors were Anisio

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Ferreira de Susa and Ceslo Brandau.
These two men doctors had just moved to

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Altamira in nineteen ninety. They were
arrested, they were questioned, but then

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they were cleared because an expert determined
that the doctors had no way to transport

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organs to sell. But it's like
they could have still been the doctors.

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mean it could have been maybe not
that much evidence, but they would just

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say that, I guess. So
it's weird to be like, no,

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it can't be them because they don't
have anything to transport. Yeah, but

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it's like, who's to say they
were selling these organs. I mean,

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yeah, it doesn't make sense,
but that's what they said. And so

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the two doctors were released. So
because of the boys statements, the police

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did raid Valentina's home because you know, he named her too. So then

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at her home they found these strange
roads that looked like they were used for

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like a ritual, and they were
like immediately like, oh, this is

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satanic or black magic because the rope
is weird. I don't know what the

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rope looked like, but maybe it
was. But they also found weird videos

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that appeared to be satanic in nature, is what they said. So they

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first stated in their report that in
the video Valentina is clearly entering a trance

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and she says kill little children in
the video what the fuck? Yeah,

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But then this was dismissed because the
audio is like not discernible. It's not

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clear she really could have said there's
no little children experience is also what it

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sounded like like they just can't tell
what she was saying, So that was

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dismissed. There was just not enough
evidence to know what was happening, what

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was going on. Eventually, prosecutors
brought seven indictmonds in front of the court

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on September sixth, nineteen ninety three, and these indictments were accepted. They

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were like, all right, let's
move on with this. So one eyewitness

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claimed that she attended a COLT meeting
at a doctor's house in nineteen ninety one.

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Those two doctors that had been arrested
and then let go one of their

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house is where they saw. They
said there was a ritual, and then

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another person said that the what other
doctors Desusa had been praying to Satan.

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I don't know how well that can
be trusted, because like anytime there's like

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a high profile case like this and
anyone's blaming Satan, I'm a little like,

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I don't know about that. Yeah. Yeah. Plus they were talking

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about God in the earlier seasons of
the culture or whatever. So yeah,

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but they said God was evil that's
true, you're right, yeah, or

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scam yeah, So I don't know. I don't know, but they didn't

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believe. I mean, to me, it's not a Satanic colt because they're

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like all about aliens. Yeah,
So I don't know, I don't know

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about that, but that's what they
said. There was another man, Ama

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Ilon Madeira Gomez. He was an
openly gay man. He was the heir

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to several gas stations and farms.
He was indicted when these seven charges that

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were brought. Police claimed he was
the person who lured the boys and raped

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them. I wanted to say they
saw him wearing a blood stained sweater after

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one of the disappearances. To me, though, again, anytime a gay

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man is accused, yeah, it's
a little questionable because there's that stigma that

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supposedly gay men or pedophiles, when
we know in reality, in fact,

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most child molesters and abusers, sexual
abusers, whatever are straight men. Yeah.

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Yeah, So I don't know that
I believe this personally. So then

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another person that was charged, Carlos
Alberto Santos Lima. He worked as a

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military security guard at the same gas
station that belonged to the Gomez family.

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So a Mariton Malera Gomez, he
worked at that one of those gas stations.

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Police questioned him and they said he
confessed to being part of a criminal

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cult. Aldnor Ferreira Carloso also worked
as a security guard and he was set

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to provide security for the cult.
Jose A Medeos Gomez, he is a

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Malton's dad. He was accused of
being the mastermind behind all the killings,

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and police suggested that he did everything
for financial gain. How houseway, how

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exactly what financial gain is there in
killing? And I guess if you look

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at the angle of the black the
black market of selling the organs. But

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then they also said that they didn't
have a way to transport the organs.

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Exactly. Nothing adds up, Nothing
adds up. Valentina and dad was also

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charged in these seven indictments. She
was charged as the cult leader and intellectual

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leader of the killer cult, and
Jose and Valentina were allowed to remain free

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until the start of the trials.
During the trial, autopsies and for exit

403
00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:27.839
testing, it was not performed on
any of the boys. Prosecutors thought that

404
00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:30.880
they would be able to reach a
guilty verdict just through the use of it

405
00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:36.160
wind its accounts, which is always
like a little iffy, Yeah, because

406
00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:41.920
when this account can be so unreliable. Plus, I think sometimes people just

407
00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:45.400
lie. Sometimes they do they see
what they want to see, Yeah,

408
00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:48.400
especially when accusing a gay man.
Yeah, because I refuse to believe that,

409
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:52.319
Like obviously there is like people,
all people do wrong, but whenever

410
00:28:52.359 --> 00:28:56.400
it involves killings like this, violating
children like this, abuse like this,

411
00:28:56.799 --> 00:29:00.920
it's highly sensationalized, and we know, how does satanic panic turn out?

412
00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:04.839
Here? Like all of it turned
out to be false, right, exactly

413
00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:08.640
exactly, So of course it turned
a lot of things are going to be

414
00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:12.039
false in other places. Yeah,
so I mean there was little evidence,

415
00:29:12.519 --> 00:29:15.759
and then they still had to be
like decide what to use in the trial

416
00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:21.359
as evidence. Valentina Dandala's former husband, he owned a hotel in Altamira.

417
00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:26.400
He testified, but he it didn't
offer much. He testified that in nineteen

418
00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:30.279
eighty six, Valentina seemed to have
heavy influence on her friends and they would

419
00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:33.880
cling on every word, meaning he
was testifying that she was a cult leader.

420
00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:37.960
Okay. A maid that worked for
one of those two doctors claimed she

421
00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:42.039
had seen the cult's rituals and she
was supposed to testify, but then she

422
00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:48.039
miss seriously died. Okay, that's
a little questionable. That is a little

423
00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:52.400
questionable. Yeah, that's not a
good look. And then all of the

424
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:56.839
accused they were like, no,
this isn't a cult. There's no rituals.

425
00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:00.319
We never kidnapped anyone. None of
the accused I ever turned on Valentina,

426
00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:03.920
and none of them ever said she
was a cult leader. The most

427
00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:07.839
the accuser of was that she told
them to hand over children to others so

428
00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:11.119
they wouldn't take care of them.
But that's weird too, because why would

429
00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:15.599
you listen to so that that alone
shows how much control she had. Yeah,

430
00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:18.839
exactly. So by nineteen ninety four, it was obvious there was a

431
00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:22.680
lack of evidence. The chief prosecutor
wanted to dismiss the case, but the

432
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:29.799
assistant prosecutor insisted that they did not
dropped the charges. So they brought eyewitness

433
00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:34.559
ed Mielson de Silva Frassau. I
just loved his name to the stand.

434
00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:40.960
Ed Melson testified that he attended a
Satanic colt meeting at one of the doctor's

435
00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:44.799
house in nineteen eighty nine or nineteen
ninety. He could remember which year.

436
00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:48.519
Oh sorry, how much time did
you say has passed five years or so?

437
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:52.000
Because this was nineteen ninety four,
okay, and he said it was

438
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:56.240
eighty nine or ninety. I mean
so much time. I mean I can

439
00:30:56.359 --> 00:31:02.480
remember what I had for lunch,
like yesterday. So I have horrible memory.

440
00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:07.279
I almost feel like when someone doesn't
remember the exact day, it's more

441
00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:11.160
true than when they remember an exact
date. I don't know. That's just

442
00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:15.599
me. Like if I were like, oh, yeah, on December third,

443
00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:19.200
two thousand, three pm, me
at three pm, Carmen slapped me

444
00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:22.319
in the car and then she got
in a car accident and she ran someone

445
00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:26.039
over. Like yeah, it's too
specific. It's just specific. So the

446
00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:29.359
fact that he doesn't remember which year, I'm like, I don't know.

447
00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:34.799
Maybe to me, yeah, because
it's like some memories are so strong or

448
00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:41.240
somethings are so impactful that but everyone's
memory is so different it's impossible. It's

449
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:45.079
yeah, it's true. That's why
it's so unreliable. Yep, that's why

450
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:48.880
we need the forensics. Sorry,
I've been watching Bones. I knew you're

451
00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:55.640
gonna say that. So, yes, that was nineteen eighty or ninety that

452
00:31:55.799 --> 00:32:00.319
he said he saw Valentina there,
but his statement was determined not trust because

453
00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:05.000
Okay, when he first questioned police, he said he attended the meetia in

454
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:10.279
ninety one. Then at court he
said that it was another year. So

455
00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:15.400
it was really dismissed. But in
June twenty and nineteen ninety four, the

456
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:22.759
judge pronounced all seven accused guilty even
on this, even on this very evidence.

457
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:24.599
Yeah, on vibees, he said, he said, I don't know,

458
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:30.640
you seem guilty. Guilty. Yes. So the defense team then filed

459
00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:35.720
an appeal and the prosecutor's office accepted
it because they truly believed that there was

460
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:40.039
a lack of evidence. Locals protested
the appeal. The chief prosecutor this scared

461
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:44.799
him. He ran away from Antamirah
in nineteen ninety four. December nineteen ninety

462
00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:47.759
four, then there was like a
public outcry. Judges decided to keep suspects

463
00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:52.200
in custody and continue the investigation.
I mean, how much more can we

464
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:57.000
uncovered? It's been so so much
time has passed now. Yeah, and

465
00:32:57.079 --> 00:32:59.839
you know what they did have,
the little they had, the ceremony of

466
00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:06.480
satanic publications that they found out Valentina's
home. It wasn't enough evidence. So

467
00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:09.640
two victims identified one of the security
guards and that he had lured them in,

468
00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:15.440
but prosecutors were determined to pend the
murders on the entire cult, not

469
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:19.519
just that security guard, even though
the security guard alone could be identified by

470
00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:22.400
two of the victims to the survivors. So honestly, they really probably should

471
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:25.680
have like just went with him.
Yeah, that's what I would think.

472
00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:30.400
But they wanted to bring the whole
cult down. So the last attempt at

473
00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:37.079
convictions it was in the two thousands, Brislan prosecutors tried to prosecute Valentina and

474
00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:42.720
four other cult members. But in
two thousand and three they acquitted Valentina of

475
00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:45.559
mutilation and killing of the boys,
and it was the seventeen day trial.

476
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:51.799
Headlines read Valentina Andrele is acquitted of
the charges. She was seventy two at

477
00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:55.759
this point. Oh wow. She
apparently fainted after hearing her judgment. The

478
00:33:55.839 --> 00:34:05.400
prosecution wanted to appeal the course decision. Defense lawyer at Naldo Busto Filo presented

479
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:09.119
court documents showing that Valentina was not
in Altamira when a lot of the crimes

480
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:12.840
were committed. Well, she didn't
have to be. She's a cult leader

481
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:17.079
exactly. Like, that doesn't mean
shot. She's not doing dirty work.

482
00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:22.559
That's not what you think it means. They also presented more evidence like that

483
00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:27.559
the guns in the home were not
like meant to they were not cult related.

484
00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:30.679
The evidence was like that Valentina had
given her husband a gun as a

485
00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:34.800
gift, and like, there's a
video of it, and in the video

486
00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:38.119
you can hear her saying that it
has bullets of gold to kill little vampires.

487
00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:42.119
What the fuck? But you know
what, why didn't she say little

488
00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:45.880
vampires. That sounds like she's talking
about code for children. I think that's

489
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:50.559
what she calls them. Yeah,
because she could have just said it has

490
00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:53.880
bullets to kill vampires. But no, that's not what she said, little

491
00:34:53.920 --> 00:35:00.440
vampires. It's strange, it's a
strange coincidence. She was talking about Ella's

492
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:05.360
baby, Bella's baby, Runez me. It's just so disturbing how Jacob imprinted

493
00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:08.440
on the baby. Yeah, I
was team Jacob until that moment. No,

494
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:10.320
I didn't even get that far in
the books. In the movie,

495
00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:16.320
I find out to Talk a year
ago. I found out longer ago,

496
00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:19.920
but I mean from the movie I
didn't. Yeah, I mean I never

497
00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:22.239
read the books, but when I
watched the first movie, I was team

498
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:28.360
Jacob. Me too, Me too. So four other defendants had already been

499
00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:31.679
sentenced in the case. They were
sentenced either thirty five to seventy seven years

500
00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:37.159
is what they received. Including the
two doctors and what other security guards I

501
00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:38.280
want to say, or both of
them? Oh, probably both of the

502
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:44.639
security guards. And that's because a
Tourniel and Juan de Clay testified that those

503
00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:50.119
were the doctors they had seen.
In Ottournell's testimony. The judge called the

504
00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:53.920
defendants and Atonia did recognize the security
guard and okay, so yeah it was

505
00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:58.519
him. And in his testimony he
said, I am sure convinced one hundred

506
00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:01.079
percent that is Carlos aal Berto.
So he is the one who placed one

507
00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:06.639
of the security guards there. Okay. The defense tried to disqualify the testimonies,

508
00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:12.280
claiming that the two victims had identified
other people as aggressors the other people

509
00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:15.639
had been guilty. Then they stated
that the reason they were pointing out Carlos

510
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:20.960
Liberto right now is because at the
time the kids were afraid of pointing out

511
00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:24.679
the real culprit. They were scared
of being killed. But Oil said in

512
00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:28.679
the past, I was a scared
child. Today I'm a man. I

513
00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:32.119
own my actions. I'm no longer
afraid. So he was sure of his

514
00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:37.599
testimony. So it was compelling enough
for people to like be moved by that

515
00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:42.199
to actually sentence or whatever. I
also wasn't a jury. I don't know.

516
00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:46.159
I'm assuming, but I don't know
how. It might just be a

517
00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:51.079
judge. It could be. Yeah, So the four, the two doctors

518
00:36:51.079 --> 00:36:55.079
and the security guards were trying to
appeal their sentences. It's still not sure

519
00:36:55.199 --> 00:37:00.199
who did like most of the killing, because there was they were trying and

520
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:06.880
found guilty for the two boys that
survived al and the other boy okay,

521
00:37:06.920 --> 00:37:09.360
and then there was all those other
boys. Yeah. Yeah, So like

522
00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:14.719
the Colts is still around today,
really, yeah, you can still go

523
00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:17.320
to their website and on their website
they're like, we never committed any kidnapping

524
00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:20.480
your murders, like, which,
of course you would say that you're not

525
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:25.480
gonna admit it, but they say
there it wasn't them because she in Valentina

526
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:32.000
and her sermons or believes whatever.
She outright said children are evil and all

527
00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:35.039
this stuff, right, So how
do you explain that? Then, Like

528
00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:38.679
there's still a tie there and it's
like still horrible to be spouting all that

529
00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:43.239
shit anyway, So like even if
you didn't do these things, maybe the

530
00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:46.840
words you said manipulated people into and
like what do you have to say about

531
00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:51.440
that? You know, exactly.
Yeah, and do they still believe that

532
00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:53.000
or do you know, like,
uh, you know, I don't know

533
00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:58.079
if they've updated their like little doctrine. I don't know, m so.

534
00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:01.559
And there's other theories about who was
behind all these killings. In two thousand

535
00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:06.639
and four, police uncovered that there
was a serial killer going around in the

536
00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:10.159
same time in Brazil, Francisco,
that's Chagas Rodriguez de Brito. There was

537
00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:15.119
a young boy who was murdered,
Jonathan Santos. Police found his body and

538
00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:20.880
they were able to connect Francisco to
it. He was a bike mechanic and

539
00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:25.960
Jonathan Jonathan Santos said he was going
to go see Francisco the bike mechanic before

540
00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:29.639
he disappeared, so he was on
his way to see him, and then

541
00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:34.599
he was never seen again. And
then further investigations led police to connect Francisco

542
00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:40.000
to forty two other boys who were
found raped. Oh wow, oh my

543
00:38:40.159 --> 00:38:45.320
god, that's a lot. Yuck, forty two. It is a lot.

544
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:49.760
And all of these boys were also
found raped with their genitals missing.

545
00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:53.960
And it wasn't all over Brazil,
including the state of Para, which is

546
00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:59.280
where Alta Mina is where the murders, all these murders took place. I

547
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:02.400
mean, that's the same, like
mem I guess, yes, yes,

548
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:09.920
And because Santos's murder was very similar
to the murders in Altamira, officials believe

549
00:39:10.039 --> 00:39:15.840
now that it was Fancisco La'schagas who
was doing this, who killed all these

550
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:22.199
boys, But that does not explain
the boys that survived and placed the two

551
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:29.079
doctors and the security guards at who
identify them. Yeah, like, it

552
00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:32.400
doesn't explain that. So I maybe
it was both of them. Maybe it

553
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:37.360
could be the group was only in
charge, or the group only committed some

554
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:40.559
of them and the serial killer did
the rest. I don't know. They're

555
00:39:40.599 --> 00:39:45.079
not solved to this day, there's
no confirmation. Just terrible. Yeah,

556
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:50.239
that's horrible. But I mean if
forty two murders were connected to this serial

557
00:39:50.320 --> 00:39:53.719
killer, what's another nineteen to him. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah,

558
00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:57.280
there's just I think in the end
of all of this, after you hear

559
00:39:57.320 --> 00:40:01.199
it, there's more questions and answers. Definitely, Yeah, because only for

560
00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:05.239
four members of the cult were charged, and in the end, where does

561
00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:09.360
that leave the other three that were
charged, including Valentina, Because it also

562
00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:14.079
fits it also fits like you said
she she said all boys were evil born

563
00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:17.280
after nineteen eighty one. So she's
still I mean horrible. She can't excuse

564
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:22.360
herself of anything, like she's out
here saying some hateful shit, spewing hatred

565
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:28.639
towards the most vulnerable population out there, children, mm hmm. Yeah,

566
00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:31.239
so we still don't like her.
Yeah. Yeah, and unlike her biography

567
00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:37.360
says she is actually evil. I
was gonna say that contrary to her own

568
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:45.039
belief. Yes, she is indeed
evil. Yes we have determined. But

569
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:49.480
yeah, that was the Superior Alignment
cult. Did I say that right?

570
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:53.840
I think there's like some words missing, my bad Superior Universal Alignment cult.

571
00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:58.440
There was a word missing? Yeah, yeah, very depressing. I'm sorry.

572
00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:00.039
I don't know what is going on
here, you know what I know

573
00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:04.559
it's because I really like Colts and
Don is also a fan of Colts,

574
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:06.199
and she's like, hey, what
do you think of this cult? You

575
00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:07.960
want to got rid? And I'm
like, yeah, more Colts. So

576
00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:14.119
we do have actually more cults coming
up here. Well, Colts are very

577
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:17.760
spooky, So Colts are yeah,
and like, I mean, yeah it

578
00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:22.960
ghos in the parana almost scary.
But I often find that true crime cases

579
00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:28.119
are far more disturbing and scary.
Yeah, yeah, because they actually happened.

580
00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:31.760
Yeah, I mean, you know, ghosts in the spiritual whatever not.

581
00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:36.199
Everyone has the same belief. But
when it comes to lunch crime like

582
00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:39.679
that, legitimately like happened, you
know. So Yeah, as our father

583
00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:45.280
says, be scared of or fear
the living more than the dead or something

584
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:52.920
something like that. Yeah, and
he's right. But yeah, that brings

585
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:54.880
us to the end of the episode. Thanks for being here, Carmen.

586
00:41:55.079 --> 00:41:59.320
Twas my pleasure. Yeah. Do
you have anything to plug before we go?

587
00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:00.960
Do you know? I do?
Oh wait, what am I doing?

588
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:05.320
Do you have any speaky recommendations?
Oh? So, I mean I

589
00:42:05.320 --> 00:42:09.199
haven't finished it, but I started
watching a documentary series. Damn, what

590
00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:14.039
is it called. It's on Hulu. It's a Oh I was telling you

591
00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:16.760
about it. It's about I don't
remember this. It was like the other

592
00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:22.960
day I was telling you about it. It's about the Lebron cult Mormon.

593
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:25.679
Oh, we're gonna cover this cult. Oh okay, okay, yeah,

594
00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:30.760
so take notes. I learned about
this cult when I was watching Under the

595
00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:34.679
Banner of Heaven. Well, they
don't talk about it in the show,

596
00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:37.360
but the show is based on the
book, which I think I recommended when

597
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:40.320
when I first read it, and
I whenever that was, it was a

598
00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:45.000
while ago. Yeah, so yeah, I recommend the show and the book,

599
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:52.480
and the book goes way more into
detail about the history of Mormon and

600
00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:59.679
fundamental Mormon colds and the Lebron family
is one that they talk about. And

601
00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:01.920
yeah, these are like and like
as I think I don't know most of

602
00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:07.079
us, especially if you're you follow
cults and fundamental Mormons and whatever. We

603
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:13.599
know that uh Mormons, mainstream Mormons, like separated from like fundamental Mormons.

604
00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:17.119
When sorry, my dog's pushing me. This is behind me. There is

605
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:22.159
my loan and he's turning around.
I saw him and he just doesn't care

606
00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:27.679
about my personal space. But anyway, they split when the United States outlawed

607
00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:30.519
polygamy and so a lot of them
fled to Mexico after that, and that's

608
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:34.880
where the Lebron cults is based.
In Mexico. I want to say it

609
00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:38.360
was near Chihuawa and the town that
they're in, the remote town that they

610
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:43.719
were in, I don't know if
they're so round because this whatever. Anyway,

611
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:47.159
it's called Colonial Lebroon. Oh my
god, what is up with Could

612
00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:52.920
that just made me think of colonial
dignita and other cults in Latin America brought

613
00:43:52.960 --> 00:44:00.159
on by white people, all the
horrible things in Latin interesting connection and if

614
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you want to learn more about Well
this brings us to our next thing.

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Carmen, do you have anything to
plug? Wait? Do you have any

616
00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:08.360
speaky recommendations? Or you're still watching
Bones? Right? No, I don't.

617
00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:12.519
I'm on season ten, episode fifteen
of Bones. Now how many seasons?

618
00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:15.360
That is my update? I think
there's twelve or thirteen. I'm closing

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in on the end. Okay.
I do want to say that I thought

620
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Sweets died soon in season five and
it's season season ten. Oh no,

621
00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:27.280
yeah, I remember it was so
much longer. Well, yeah, I

622
00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:30.320
was like, I stopped watching after
they did whatever they did to Sweets.

623
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:32.440
But no, I stopped watching in
season five. I never watched past season

624
00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:37.159
five. Oh huh, yeah,
when all the pullan like that? Polong

625
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:39.800
Oh, I think I'm I'm sure
I watched past that because I do remember

626
00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:43.679
when he well, yeah, I
think you're the one who told me about

627
00:44:43.679 --> 00:44:46.239
Sweets. Oh you know what,
we were watching it when you left for

628
00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:50.280
the military thing. That's why you
didn't keep watching it. Yeah, and

629
00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:52.559
every time I rewatched it, I
just watched them to season five. So

630
00:44:53.239 --> 00:44:57.199
now I'm committed. What is it? I have to finish it and cluh

631
00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:00.400
Hulu? Okay, Hulu, Yeah
I might. I now I have to

632
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:05.599
finish it. You should. There's
a lot of episodes. Yeah, too

633
00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:07.719
much, and it's why I haven't
been watching anything scary. I don't like

634
00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:13.280
it, but I also like it. It doesn't make sense. So yeah,

635
00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:15.639
Oh, I didn't do it last
episode. But I will be sending

636
00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:19.599
out our book club questions because we
were. We should do that. Oh,

637
00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:22.719
I was about to ask about that. I love her books because she

638
00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:29.519
sends out a question like a book
club kit available online. Yeah, and

639
00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:31.440
so that's where I'm going to pull
the questions from. Cool. Yeah,

640
00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:36.079
she even does like a little cocktail
you can serve if you're doing Oh,

641
00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:38.639
I have seen that. Should we
should we do it? Should we each

642
00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:43.599
make our own little cocktails and discuss
it? Okay, I'll also send that

643
00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:46.320
out too. Then I really hope
that us Wait, she didn't finish it.

644
00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:50.800
Did she know? You're right?
She said for us to record it

645
00:45:50.840 --> 00:45:53.480
without her because she's too busy,
So maybe it's been so long that maybe

646
00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:58.920
I'll ask her again fingers crossed,
she's too busy. Yeah, I hope,

647
00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:01.559
I hope. Oh yeah, anything
to plug. Yeah. So if

648
00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:09.280
you're into Latin American sorry, Latin
American history, learning about talking about I

649
00:46:09.320 --> 00:46:15.599
don't know, colonialism, stories of
power, stories of resistance, talking about

650
00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:20.400
the United States and the horrible things
they've done in Latin America, then check

651
00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:27.039
out Unknown. And then we also
have Novo, where we're rewatching. I'm

652
00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:31.000
gonna say nobody else because it's it's
just that watching, recapping each episode,

653
00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:36.880
talking ship as we go, and
we introduce a new segment chronically online,

654
00:46:36.920 --> 00:46:40.239
Concrevisito, where we talk about Internet
tievement, and that's gonna be its own

655
00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:44.880
podcast once we finish, and we're
nearing the end. We are nearing the

656
00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:47.280
end, and it's a lot of
fun. Yeah, and so yeah,

657
00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:52.000
both of those will be linked in
the show notes. And I don't know,

658
00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:55.960
I don't have anything witty. Don't
kill children, yes, thank you,

659
00:46:57.039 --> 00:47:01.360
don't kill children. Stay spooky,
we'll catch there. They're not evil,

660
00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:08.000
especially the ones born Aflar nineteen eighty
one, especially those yes, yes,

661
00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:14.159
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