Sept. 5, 2025

The Pereira Poltergeist and Triple Murder in Ecuador

The Pereira Poltergeist and Triple Murder in Ecuador
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The Pereira family of Jaboticabal, Brazil, was spending a quiet evening at home in December 1965 when their lives changed forever. Their daughter Maria seemed to be haunted by an entity. In this episode, Carmen talks about the Pereira poltergeist, from Brazil and Cristina discusses a triple murder that shook the country of Ecuador in 2023.

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Hi, this is Christina, this is Carmen. So yeah, if

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you're not on Patreon, you are not hearing our yapping

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before the topic, because we just yapped about Carmen's vacation

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and me turning into a social butterfly in Seattle or

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trying to attempting to Mariposa, Seattle. Yes, Seattle, and so yeah,

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we yapped a little bit and now we're going to

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start the topic and you can get on Patreon. The

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lowest tier gets access to that, so bam, all right, now, yes,

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on today's episode, we have a story from Brazil and

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then a true crime case that's very depressing from Ecuador.

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And normally we would have a listener story, but I

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didn't get one ready. I didn't look for it. Oh okay, okay, no,

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but if you have stories that you want us to read,

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just email Espotos at gmail dot com. You can dam

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out on any of the socials. You can leave it

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in a comment on one of the many tiktoks, like

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you know, there's options, but yeah, get them to us.

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Other than that, Carmen, are you ready for the paranormal case?

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From where? And the way? Is it Brazil or Argentina? Brazil? Oh?

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Thank you. I don't know why suddenly the Argentina. We

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had a UFO recently case in Arentena, didn't we true,

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Yes we did. Okay, So this case is about a

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poultry geist in Carbo Ticabal, Brazil. The Pereeda family of

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Habbo Ticabal, Brazil, was spending a quiet evening at home

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in December nineteen sixty five when their lives changed forever.

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The family, who lived about two hundred miles from Sauth Paulo,

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were devoted Catholics who spent their time working or attending

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church like a good Catholic family. Yes, they lived in

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a small, beautiful community where everyone knew everyone, which led

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the family to feel a false sense of peace would

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soon be taken away. Don't don't, don't thank you. I

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was going to do that. The evening everything changed. The

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family was sitting in their living room when large bricks

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mysteriously materialized and fell to the ground. Because they were

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so religious, the family did not jump to conclusions and

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instead figured neighborhood kids had been playing a prank on them,

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using similar bricks that had been lying outside their home. Okay,

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natural conclusion to come to, Yeah, yeah, I think so.

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But as the days went by, the activity increased, and

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the family was then able to identify any suspected pranksters.

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The block of bricks outside the home also remained untouched,

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making it hard for the family to ignore what was happening,

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so the family called on the local police for help.

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When police arrived to the home, they didn't notice strange

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activity and wondered why they were even there. But soon

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one brick, and then many others began to materialize out

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of thin air and fly around the house. Oh my god,

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with the police there, mm hmm. A heavy brick is

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then slammed into an officer's head, causing blood to gush everywhere.

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Oh my god, not a breaking, not a paranormal bricking

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and and acab pultruygeist. Yes, wow. Petrified the officers and

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the family ran out of the house. Police were in

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shock and things looked bleak for the family, who were

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told by police there weren't much they could do since

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it seemed to be a spiritual attack. They're like, that's

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not our department, bud, We're not Ghostbusters Los No. Some

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almost ghostbusters but in Brazilian. Yeah, they don't speak Spanish.

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We're sorry for you. Sorry that was in Ura. That

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wasn't even that was in Yurka, okay, where I was?

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I feeling defeated, The family sought out the help of

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a local priest. When the priest arrived at the home,

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he examined Maria for a few minutes before concluding that

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Maria needed an exorcism. Of course, but as soon as

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the exorcism began, it also came to an end. And

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did it as quickly as it started? Okay. Yeah, And

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after a cold and strong wind entered the home and

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a dark shadow consumed the room while loud thumbs were

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heard around the house, Maria began to convulse and painful

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scratches appeared on her body. Oh my god. Yeah, so

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that's why it ended so quick, because the priest quickly

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stopped the exorcism. You know what, he wasn't strong enough. Yeah,

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and he he was like, you know what, only making

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this worse, So I'm just gonna stop. Well, I'm ahead, mak.

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The days that followed were significantly painful for Maria. She

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became withdrawn, complained of terrifying nightmares, and woke up with

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bites and scratches all over her body. On one occasion,

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twelve needles mat and punctured Maria's skin, causing her to

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scream in agony. On another day, while having lunch in

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her school's backyard, Maria's close burst into flames as someone

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had dowsed gasoline on her. Oh my god, spontaneous setting

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on fire. And that was the last straw from Maria,

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who experienced this torture daily. She became hopeless and contemplated

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what she had done to deserve this. Nothing girl, No

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one deserves this. But that was very catholic of her

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to be like, what did I do to deserve this? Oh? Yeah,

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sin did I come in? The spirits also became increasingly violent,

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with the family, not just Maria. One afternoon, the stove

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rose from the ground and levitated for several minutes before

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it was flung across the room. In addition to Maria's family,

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the neighbors, and Maria's teachers could no longer deny that

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something evil was taking hold of the town. The story

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went national and caught the attention of the famous Brazilian

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medium Chico Chavee, which we need to do an episode

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on one day, that's a whole nother, Like, there's so

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much there. Have you heard of? Chico Javier, No, I haven't,

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but yeah, he's just a very famous medium. I don't

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remember if there's any bad things there might might be

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which would do the episode. So yeah, we need to

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do an episode. I just know he's a very famous medium,

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and I have been wanting for the longest time to

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dig into who he was, and so I'm adding that

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to the topic list. Yeah. Yeah. Javier, who was born

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in nineteen ten, was well known for his psychic abilities.

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He claimed to be in contact with many famous writers

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and poets to have passed away. According to Kavier, these

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writers used him as a vessel to broadcast their voices.

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People who knew Kaviet also claimed they had seen him

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lovety before. He was a very son after medium, so

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he thought he could help Maria. He personally reached out

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to the family to offer his help and travel to

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her town to visit her. Unlike others claimed Maria was possessed,

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Havi had believed Maria attracted the spirits to herself because

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she was a gifted medium who needed to learn to

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control her powers. Okay, that's a different than interesting yeah

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mm hmm. He spent days with Maria attempting to teach

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her about her suspected abilities until one day Maria spontaneously

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combusted into flames, leaving him speechless and feeling helpless. So

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she set herself on fire. A lot of spontaneous combusting,

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combusting going right, yeah, lots of uh oh my god, firebender,

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lots of. He watched Maya burne for several minutes while

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he unsuccessfully tried to stop the flames. Okay, I was

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gonna say, don't tell me. This is like a don't

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don't help, just film situations, just burn this force Heavy

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had to accept that this situation was bigger than him,

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and he asked for permission to take Maria to a

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spiritual center where he and others could figure out how

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to help her, which the family reluctantly agreed to, which

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I get, I get, I get. I mean, how old

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is she? Three you find out? Yeah, I know. I mean,

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I'm assuming she's at least like a teenage right right,

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younger because it talks about her going to small But

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I guess I feel like she's a teen. She's giving

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teen spirit yea, she is, so yeah, I would be

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reluctant to let my teen daughter go off with some

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medium to a spirit center, some famous medium yeah. Yeah.

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Once at the spiritual center, kaviet claims he made contact

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of the spirit who was inside Maria. Eager to further communication,

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Kavett gathered Maria and other people at the center to

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attempt to speak with the spirit again. During the exercise,

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the room began to shake and then a huge shadow

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appeared in the room. Javett asked the spirit what it

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wanted with Maria and heard a voice say revenge. Oho, okay,

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little deep boy singy revenge yeah. According to those in

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the room and kaviert the spirit claimed that Maria had

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been a witch in her previous life and had used

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black magic to harm and kill many. But that's not

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on Maria. That's on her previous life, like let it

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be let her free. Not. According to the spirit. The

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Spirituldkavier that many of the people Maria harmed died without

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being able to exact the revenge, so now they're torturing

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Maria in her current life. The situation again looked bleak

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for the Bedta family, who were told once again that

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there was nothing they could do because their daughter was

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meant to suffer for life. Yet Javierta and his group

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of spiritual leaders insisted on performing another exorcism because they

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believed they could convince the spirits that Maria was now

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responsible for what happened? Okay. Shockingly, the spirits agreed to

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leave the young girl alone, and almost instantly, a silence

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and a sense of peace fell on the room. What okay, Chico,

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I didn't know your game. The family took Maria and

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returned home, and the town returned to normal. Oh good ending.

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No oh oh, unfortunately Maria does not have a happen

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no way. Yeah. A few years later, Maria was found

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dead in her room. Her death was said to have

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been caused by intoxication, but it's unclear if Maria accidentally

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overdose or perhaps her tortures passed drove her to die

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by suicide. Oh that's terrible. At least she lived a

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few spirit for years. For real, Just when I thought

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we were gonna have something good in this podcast, I

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guess the only good things were being you and speaking

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of No but that's not no more like, really that's

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fucking sad. Yeah no, but yeah yeah, let me bring

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you back down to speaking of more sad things. We'll

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take a little on break here and then will be

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back with my depressing story my depressing case. We're back.

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On April fourth, twenty twenty three, longtime friends Nayeli Tapia,

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Juliana Massias and Denis Rena said by to their families

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headed for the beach on what was supposed to be

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a quick, fun trip. They left Santo Lovino, a city

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in Ecuador and headed towards Playa same in the Esmerlas province.

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So it's like a four hour drive. Santo Domingo is

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like kind of more north and this is kind of

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like more what was it southwest? I don't know. It

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was down. It was down. Oh oh, I see and

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again it should have been a four hour drive and

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it was supposed to be a short vacation, but it

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turned into a literal nightmare for their families. Family members

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of the young women did not hear from them the

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following day and then they reported them missing. But on

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the seventh of April, the families received the worst things possible.

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The girls were found when a group of fishermen noticed

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a dog sniffing along siffing one specific spot along the

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Ismaeradas River, and the condition in which they were found

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left zero doubt that this was murder like it was

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so bad how they were found and the investigation that

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followed shed light on the growing danger women's face, not

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only in Ecuador, but literally everywhere femicize or on the rise. Yeah,

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when was the twenty twenty three? Oh, that's right right.

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All three of the young women were born and raised

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in Santo Domingo, and they had been friends since childhood.

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They'd been through it all like your typical girl group,

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you know, and they were there for each other through

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the ups and downs. They all had dreams and plans.

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Juliana Massias was twenty one, and she always stood out

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at academically. She was an honor student and she was

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given the the I don't know if it's like a

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title or the honors of la mejor Egresstada, so like

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the best in her class, the top in her class,

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and her graduating class like a like a valedictorian. Uh huh. Yeah.

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And she graduated from an Institute of Superior Sachila, the

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Superior Institute of Technology of Sachila, and her professors remember

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her as a bright, responsible student who was always willing

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to help anyone. And since she was a young child,

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she knew she would have to work hard for her future.

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She had been planning on pursuing a higher degree than

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her bachelor's, possibly becoming a psychologist one day. Wow, also

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as a bachelor. So it's not about dictorian. I forgot

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what it's called, like the deans, I don't know. No, again,

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I famously didn't finish college. So there's a name for

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it for the person who's the top and then usually

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will do the speech. But I don't remember what it's called. Yeah,

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I wouldn't know. I didn't get it, so you wouldn't

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know either. Yeah, okay, And school wasn't the only thing

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that she thrived and worked hard in. She also loved music,

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and she had been part of a group called Las Diablitas,

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and then she became a solo artist under the name

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Sedia and she grew a local following as well as

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social media. That's cool. Yeah, she was good. She even

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got a huge gig singing for a pretty big local

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political campaign, and her dreams of making money through her

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singing were coming true. And for her, an important part

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of like making steps toward that dream was to live independently.

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So as soon as she graduated, she moved out of

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her parents and into her grandmother's but where she was

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like earning her living, not just like living there for free. Right, yeah, right,

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that's such a for me. I feel like that's such

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a a cool way to still experience independence but still

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be with your family, right right, No, I agree, it's

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like the best of both worlds. I fear I feel

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like I'm not. I don't know because I experience it,

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but I feel like I would agree with that. I

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would have loved it. Oh my god. Yes, she worked

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all sorts of gigs and temporary jobs to support herself.

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She wanted to travel, see the world and not only

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use her voice to sing, but to call out injustice's

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women faced every day. Amazing. Yeah, I love that for her,

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which makes sense when you learn about who Hurtian was,

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which we'll get into a little bit later. Juliana's other

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bestie was Denise Rena, who was nineteen and in her

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third semester of agricultural engineering at the Cevelo State University,

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and she, just like her friend Juliana, was very studious,

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hard working, and caring as a child. I bet her

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parents were sickless, but her as a child, she would

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see street dogs and bring them home so that they

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would have a home. They're like, yeahweh. She even wanted

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to open her own veterinary clinic one day, but like

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the state of the country and her financial state, like,

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she had to change her plans. And her new plants

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were then to go to the US and try to

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make it in the US. A common story. Yeah, and

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those who knew her would describe her as calm, peaceful,

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and loyal and that she had the ability to diffuse

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any situation and she would just drop anything to help,

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just like her friend. And then Nigilee Tapia was the

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third of this girl trio. She was twenty two and

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a mother to a four year old girl, and she

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she had just moved from Santo Domingo to Quito to

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hopefully find a better job to provide for her child.

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And she lived there in Quito with her older sister

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and was still trying to find a job, like she

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had literally just moved. She did find occasional work as

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a model, and her long term plan was to move

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to Spain because she thought there was more modeling opportunities there.

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Makes sense, Yeah, sook this like successful girl group here,

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Like one of them is a singer, the other's a model,

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and the other is an agricultural engineering student, which sounds difficult.

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I don't know again famously dinner finish college, I hear

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engineering and I'm like my brain explodes. Yeah. Yeah. And

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she like her friends, She was kind, always happy, and

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despite the distance, always always still talk to her friends

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and was still very close with them. Even though the

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three of them had their plates so full, they made

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time for each other too and for fun, and part

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of that fun included their beach trip. Denise had met

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up with a friend which she had several times, a

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different friend, and he invited her on the trip, the

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beach trip, and was like, you should bring your friends,

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and it seemed like a good time. She didn't give

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an answer right away because she was like, well, let

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meet you with my friends. I'm not going without them,

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and I don't know if they want to go. Am

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I wrong to be suspicions? You're not gonna tell me,

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not at all. You're not at all wrong. No, this

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is why I'm not friends with men. I mean, I

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mean no. Yeah. On the fourth of April and nine am,

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she left her house, but she didn't give her family

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details on where she was going, just that she was

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going out for breakfast. But she still wasn't sure about

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the beach, so she didn't tell them she was going.

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She did mention the beach trip was maybe happening, but

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it wasn't for sure yet, so she was like, all right,

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I'll be back. And she went to breakfast with that

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same guy friend who invited her to the beach, and

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so they left together. Everything seemed fine, and at some

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point they picked Nayelli up and she had traveled from

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Quito to spend time with her friends. She's the one

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and keep them with the daughter. Yeah, and so her,

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Denise and this guy were together pretty much all day.

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They returned to Denis's house and then at Denisa's house,

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they decided, well, let's go to the beach. Let's do it.

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It sounds fun, and so they told Denis's parents, like,

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we're going to be at this Casablanca hotel, be in

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the touristy area at the beach in the Esmelalas province,

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and they were excited. They went out together for a bit,

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then they picked up Juliana. The girls were so excited

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for a little short vacate. Juliana even posted a video

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on her WhatsApp status where they were singing you know

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like a whoo sing along the car is moving type

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of video, but unfortunately the vibes they got dark very quickly.

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The drive was supposed to be four hours, but they

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were like, why are we still on the road. It's

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been like we should have been there already. So they

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started to get worried. Denise had already been texting with

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a different friend, normal friend things, you know, and then

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her friend received a text Sasa ricorda, get MUCHO. I

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feel like something is going to happen. Happened to me

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and if it does, remember then I love you so much.

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And her friend was like, wow, that was random, but

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she didn't know what to make of it. And I'm sure,

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I don't know. I would hope that she maybe forwarded

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this message to her parents, but maybe she didn't have

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that information. I don't know, but it is a worrisome

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worries some text to receive from something sure, and Naieli

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also felt like something was off, and just past eleven PM,

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she sends her live location to her sister. She said,

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just in case, she sent her live location, but after

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a while the signal was lost and then her sister

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could no longer see it, and then there was like

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then everyone lost contact with them. They weren't answering, the

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girls weren't sending any messages, and that was so unusual

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for them because even if they weren't with their family,

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they were like constantly sending updates and like you and

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I do that with our mom. Even you and Hawaii,

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You're like we landed, we're at the hotel, we're at

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the beach now, like they were the same way. And

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so this was very concerning for them, and none of

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the family members who went to think the worst, but

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when there was absolutely zero contact, they grew very, very worried,

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of course, and on Thursday, April sixth Juliana Stia Paulina Reda,

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who also happened to be a well known lawyer and

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women rights activists in Ecuador. Oh she was the first

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to report them missing. She made the report to the

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extorci Is Equestros or Dina said, for sure, the national

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police unit that deals with murder, disappearances, abductions and ransom.

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You've mentioned this before, right or no, maybe when we

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were talking, because this isn't the first Ecuador case. I

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don't think. Yeah, possibly, And the investigation began immediately, which

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again you have to like praise, because sometimes they're like, no,

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there's just girls having fun being bad like but no,

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this investigation started right away. But before they even started

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chasing leads, the invistigators received the terrible news that on

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the seventh a group of fishermen were on foot at

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the bank of the Esberanda's River when their dog was

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acting weird. It was sniffing and sniffing the same spot,

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barking at it, howling, and then it started to dig

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and they were like ahead of the dog, and they

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would call the dog, like, get over here, dog, I

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don't know the dog's name, and the super obedient dog

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would not leave the spot, and they're like, all right,

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this isn't normal. So they got closer to the dog

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and that's when they noticed a horrible smell and saw

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where the dog was digging, and they saw like half

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a body sticking out. Oh my god, of a shallow grave. Yeah,

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And so they called the police right away, and the

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police arrived very quickly and were met with the horrible scene.

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There were two more bodies in that grave. They were

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all there was. It was three women dressed like they

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were going to the beach. Their hands were tied behind them,

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and all three of them were gagged and their face

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were very disfigured. There was bruises everywhere and very clear

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signs of torture on all three of them. Wow. And

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despite the advanced stages of decomposition, police right away believed

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it was Nailli, Juliana, and Denise, and this was confirmed

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when family members arrived at the Morge later to identify them.

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And the identification of Juliana was extra challenging because, according

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to her Ta Paulina, her face was so deteriorated that

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they could only identify her through her feet. Oh my god.

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Was it because of how they were left by the

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person that did this, or because of the time that passed,

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or because it wasn't that long though right there, I

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think it's it wasn't that long. But I think just

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because it was the water and it was like hotter,

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oh in the water. That's right, that's right, I believe,

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because okay, I'll mention a little bit of it later

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as well. Yeah, it doesn't seem like something was done

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to their faces to make it extra the two redd

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or like messed up. The autopsy confirmed the obvious the

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women had been murdered. All three had puncture wounds consistent

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with the machete bruises were all over their bodies. Their

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throats had been severely slashed, which was the potential cause

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of death. And these murders shook the country. It became

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like a sensational case in the country. And because it

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was sensational, a video of Juliana surfaced, and in the

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video she was sitting at a bar with a man

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and she was singing like it appeared to be she

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was serenading the man. They looked like a couple in

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the video. And people took this and just ran with it.

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They were like, oh, this it was him. It was him,

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Oh my god, it wasn't him. No, it wasn't Juliana's Diaz,

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the one who came out and be like, you guys

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can just come out and accuse anyone, Like, dude, I

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don't Internet sleuths are the same anywhere, because that kind

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of shit happens over here. Oh yeah, like I remember

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that one. I mean it happens with all sorts of cases.

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But I remember the documentary of something about cats, but

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it wasn't really about cats, you know what I'm talking about?

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On Netflix. I forgot what it was called. But there

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was like a sloth, like a group of sloothers who

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supposedly were trying to solve this crime, and they pinpointed

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the wrong person, and that person ended up dying by

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suicide because of the accusations they made against them. Didn't

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this also happen in the Boston marathon bombing, Yeah, I

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believe so. I don't know that. I know they falsely

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accused someone read it, but I don't know that person

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harmed themselves because of it. I don't remember that, but

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I know that I'm not sure though it could be.

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Don't quote me, but yeah, it's a very common thing luckily,

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Like this man didn't do anything drastic, but he didn't

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have to like move because of the accusations. And yeah,

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it wasn't even him, he was innocent. He was just random,

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like this was an old video like yeah, And so

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the investigation continued. It was treated as a femicide right way,

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which carries a heavier charge, a heavier seriousist to it,

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at least for this group of police officers and detectives

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that were working the case. They were taking it very

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seriously and like to call it a femicide. It wasn't

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a light thing. So this was like a thing in

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their criminal justice system where yeah, it's they had heavier penalty. Yeah,

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a lot of Latin American countries at least have been

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adopting a new charge that is a femicide where it

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comes it's like a hate crime basically, and so that's

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how they were investigating it. They were taking it more seriously.

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And that's something that we in this country don't do.

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Domestic violence or violence against women. Even attacks that are

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seemingly or not seemly but apparently have some kind of

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sexist or racist or homophobic aspect to it, they still

447
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refuse to call it a hate crime. Yeah, And some

448
00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:04.279
people will hear the word femicigine and immediately like laugh

449
00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:07.720
and like they think it's not It makes them angry

450
00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:10.039
just to hear it. But there's a reason the word exists,

451
00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:14.000
like come on, right. So yeah, No, these investigators were

452
00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:17.720
taking it very seriously, which again is like some sadly

453
00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:22.599
something that has to be praised. Yeah, And so they

454
00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:26.000
returned to the area where they found the woman for

455
00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:29.359
more evidence, and they realized that there was no blood here,

456
00:27:29.480 --> 00:27:31.559
so they had to have been murdered somewhere else. And

457
00:27:31.599 --> 00:27:34.680
then moved to this area, and they also found an

458
00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:37.400
old beat up phone that they hoped would offer some leads.

459
00:27:38.839 --> 00:27:42.440
They pieced together the events that followed the fourth when

460
00:27:42.440 --> 00:27:47.200
the woman left for the beach trip. So Naieli's message

461
00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:50.000
to her sister, the one with the live location, was

462
00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:53.200
vital to this because even though it like dropped off,

463
00:27:53.240 --> 00:27:55.000
they went to that area and they're like, wow, this

464
00:27:55.160 --> 00:28:00.440
is very close to where they were found, and so

465
00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:04.839
it showed the officers like this car never made it

466
00:28:04.839 --> 00:28:08.000
to their location, like the murder happened between here and

467
00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:10.680
where they were found. They never went to the beach.

468
00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:14.200
So they were able to pull security footage from the area.

469
00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:18.960
They found that the car was a black Chevrolet che

470
00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:24.119
Chevrolet Chevrolet Chevrolet Chevy Chevy. It was a black Sui

471
00:28:25.640 --> 00:28:28.720
Chevy anyway, and they could see that a man had

472
00:28:28.759 --> 00:28:31.160
been driving and that there was a second car behind

473
00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:36.279
them with three men in that car. And the investigators

474
00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:40.359
were able to track down the owners or the vehicles.

475
00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:43.160
There were rented vehicles, and they were rented by thirty

476
00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:47.720
four year old Olger Sanbrano. The vehicle had been seen

477
00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:50.640
driving for hours after the time of the murder, and

478
00:28:50.680 --> 00:28:53.720
then it was found crashed and abandoned in Santo Domingo,

479
00:28:54.200 --> 00:28:58.279
where they were from, so they drove back after then

480
00:28:58.400 --> 00:29:01.759
they found out that although Orged had rented the car,

481
00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:04.799
the person actually driving the car the girls were in

482
00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:10.640
was Luis Fernando Vacca Bravo. Denis's family immediately recognized the name.

483
00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:14.680
He had been friends with her for years now, and

484
00:29:14.759 --> 00:29:17.720
he was the one who made the invitation in the

485
00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:22.079
first place. Orger Sanbrano, who had been driving the second

486
00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:25.599
car with his brother Andres Marcello and another friend, Omar

487
00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:29.720
Ivan Ordonez and so. These three had not known the

488
00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:31.640
women for a long time. They met them at a

489
00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:34.039
party just a few months before the beach trip, but

490
00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:40.480
they were friends with Louis and so Julianastia Paulina believed

491
00:29:40.519 --> 00:29:45.200
that this was her theory after hearing like these potential suspects.

492
00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:48.079
She believed that there had been an argument and perhaps

493
00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:51.240
even a refusal of the girls to sleep with them men,

494
00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:54.400
and that's what caused them to be angry and then

495
00:29:54.640 --> 00:29:57.240
kill the girls. I could see why she thought that,

496
00:29:57.319 --> 00:30:01.160
because at this point there's three of the men and

497
00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:05.119
three of the girls. Yeah. The rest of the family

498
00:30:05.440 --> 00:30:08.759
members believed a different story. They thought it was premeditated

499
00:30:08.839 --> 00:30:11.839
because they said that the grave that they were found

500
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:14.400
in was very deep. But if you have four men,

501
00:30:14.680 --> 00:30:17.559
you can they can dig up. Oh yeah, So Louise

502
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:19.960
was driving the car with them, and the other car

503
00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:23.160
had three the two brothers and then the Omar guy.

504
00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:28.000
Yeah yes, so, I mean among them they can dig

505
00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:31.000
a pretty big hole. So, but they believed there was

506
00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:34.279
premeditated and that the men had pre dug the giant grave.

507
00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:36.519
And then they also believed that the men had used

508
00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:38.680
some sort of chemical acid on the faces of the

509
00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:41.799
women because of how disfigured they were, but this was

510
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:46.400
later denied or disproved. It was proven to be from

511
00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:49.200
the water or what. I can't find something the basis

512
00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:52.319
of the like of they this didn't happen, but the

513
00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:55.000
police was like, no, that's not there were there was

514
00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:59.480
no chemical usage on their faces. So there was no

515
00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:02.720
information on what caused the disfigurement. I can only guess

516
00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:08.599
that it was like the elements, and investigators never made

517
00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:11.359
this public like the cause, but it did seem that

518
00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:16.279
Pabrina had been correct based on how the investigation went.

519
00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:20.160
So once the car had been located, there were traces

520
00:31:20.200 --> 00:31:23.400
of blood in the car, making it evident. Oh and sorry,

521
00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:25.400
there was traces of blood, and then there was an

522
00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:27.839
attempt to clean that blood. Like they could tell that much.

523
00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:30.599
And so this led them to believe that this is

524
00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:34.000
where they were murdered or where something happened because of

525
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:36.039
the blood found in the car. And also they found

526
00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:39.839
a nail that had belonged to Denise, which indicated there

527
00:31:39.880 --> 00:31:43.440
was a struggle in the vehicle, and the men quickly

528
00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:47.839
became primary suspects. Investigators then attempted to locate them and

529
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:51.759
issue arrest warrants, and on May twenty six, twenty twenty three,

530
00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:55.680
the pair of brothers Andres and Urge were found near

531
00:31:55.759 --> 00:32:01.920
the border of Ecuador and Peru. Like else they were,

532
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:04.799
they were trying to flee. Yeah, they were trying to

533
00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:10.480
flee into Peru. And so they were arrested and then

534
00:32:10.599 --> 00:32:12.960
you know, put in jail. And then in their search

535
00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:15.839
for Louis Vaka, there had been a twist in the

536
00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:22.759
investigation two months after the brothers had been apprehended, you know,

537
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:28.039
maybe so, because then in July he was found murdered

538
00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:32.279
and dismembered in the province of Chimborasso, which is not

539
00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:35.799
close to the river or Santo Domingo, like it is

540
00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:39.039
a whole different location. And once the autopsy had been done,

541
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:43.319
investigators learned that he had been dead since April, potentially only,

542
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:46.440
if not the same day as the girls, a few

543
00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:51.319
days at most after them. Wow. Yes, and his parents,

544
00:32:51.400 --> 00:32:54.319
Louis Baca's parents had fled at Guador because once he

545
00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:57.400
had been declared a suspect, they were getting death threats

546
00:32:57.440 --> 00:33:00.279
by people. But it turns out that they have boken

547
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:04.279
to Paulina Julian Astilla and they told her that they

548
00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:06.880
suspected their son had been murdered with the women, with

549
00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:09.799
the young women, because they had not they hadn't been

550
00:33:09.799 --> 00:33:12.160
able to get ahold of him. Yeah, since the women

551
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:16.319
had been found, And what his family suspected is that

552
00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:18.759
he saw it happen and he was going to talk

553
00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:21.759
and they took care of it before they took care

554
00:33:21.799 --> 00:33:25.000
of him before he could talk, which would makes sense

555
00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:27.839
or I mean, not to get to speculate it, but

556
00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:31.759
I feel like also maybe when they try to first

557
00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:34.799
sexually attack the women or whatever, like maybe he stepped

558
00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:36.480
in to defend them and they killed him then, Like

559
00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:39.680
I could also see that maybe either either one of those,

560
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:42.839
or is what happened because it was only a day

561
00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:45.039
or two after they had been murdered, that he had

562
00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:48.279
been murdered. Oh it was after Okay, yeah, well no,

563
00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:51.759
police are not sure. So the timeline they they gave

564
00:33:51.920 --> 00:33:54.960
is either the same time they were murdered or like

565
00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:58.519
a day or two after at most. But yeah, he

566
00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:01.039
had been murdered and like his parents had to flee

567
00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:03.680
because of the death threats they were receiving. How unfortunate

568
00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:07.559
that they were getting threats at the same time their son,

569
00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:12.480
they suspect that had also been killed. Yes, yes, And

570
00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:17.239
investigators continued looking for Omar Ordonez, the third man in

571
00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:20.679
the other vehicle with the brothers, and they had been

572
00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:24.480
unsuccessful until November twenty twenty three. They found him and

573
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:27.119
caught him and arrested him, and they learned that he

574
00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:30.199
was part of a criminal organization called Los Lobos. He

575
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:32.880
also had prior charges that had to do with transporting

576
00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:37.760
illegal firearms. So the other two had the other three

577
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:42.440
men because well Louis was dead by his criminal record

578
00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:44.760
was also checked and so the other three had no

579
00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:49.400
charges at all. But Z did have like a history

580
00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:54.800
of crime and I had been a part of this cartel.

581
00:34:55.239 --> 00:35:00.360
I think it's a cartel. Sounds like one. Yeah, And

582
00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:03.400
so now all three of them were behind bars and

583
00:35:03.440 --> 00:35:07.800
they were officially charged with femicide. But then the court

584
00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:13.960
changed this from femicide to like just regular murder. Why,

585
00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:16.360
I don't know? They Oh, I do know. Sorry I

586
00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:20.559
wrote it down. My bad. My instinct is just to

587
00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:27.320
say I don't know. I was changed from femicide to

588
00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:31.920
just regular planal murder because they the court said that

589
00:35:31.960 --> 00:35:34.400
there was no intimate relationship between the men and the

590
00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:38.360
young women, which is like the defining factor for a femicide,

591
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:43.079
like that intimate relationship between the perpetrator and the victim.

592
00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:47.039
But I would argue that just knowing them and being

593
00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:50.880
friends with them is I think that counts. Yeah, I

594
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:54.239
could see why they would try to define it like that.

595
00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:57.880
But didn't we just talk about case We literally did? Yeah,

596
00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:00.679
we did? Was it? I don't even remember? It was

597
00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:07.199
the woman the exorcism of Vima Trujillo. Yes, yeah, let's

598
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:09.400
say who they did the extorsism on. But I candn't

599
00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:12.039
remember what country it was from, but you remembered her name. Yes,

600
00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:15.599
it was Nicaragua, and they charged it as, oh, that's right,

601
00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:18.159
that's right, and they charged it as femicide even though

602
00:36:18.280 --> 00:36:23.639
they technically didn't have like that component relationship. But they

603
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:27.000
knew each other, he knew. Yeah, And this of course

604
00:36:27.039 --> 00:36:30.559
outraged family members and pretty much the whole country, of course,

605
00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:33.960
because again it was a sensational case and so everyone

606
00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:35.840
knew what was going on with the case, and when

607
00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:39.599
they this was done, it was an outrage. And Juliane Astella,

608
00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:43.760
she argued that the intimate relationship didn't matter. That part

609
00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:47.480
didn't matter of the official definition, because these men felt

610
00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:50.159
entitled to the women because of their gender, and they

611
00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:56.039
would not have been murdered if they had been men exactly,

612
00:36:56.039 --> 00:36:58.559
because they murdered them when they were rejected. And yeah,

613
00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:00.719
if they had been this wouldn't have happened if they

614
00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:04.719
were not women. But the course were not swayed and

615
00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:12.880
they didn't change it back to femicide. On April ninth,

616
00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:15.920
twenty twenty four, the first trial against the three men

617
00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:19.639
was held, and the strategy of the defense when when sorry,

618
00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:25.400
well April ninth, twenty four, Yeah, okay, let me just

619
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:28.760
resay that. Yeah, sorry, I don't know why, Like I said, anybody,

620
00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:30.599
it didn't sometimes I have to repeat dates again to you.

621
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:36.159
So number yeah, the numbers. Yeah. On April ninth, twenty

622
00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:38.760
twenty four, the first trial against the three men was

623
00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:41.559
held and the strategy of the defense was to pin

624
00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:44.559
it all on Louis Vaka, who could not defend himself

625
00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:48.440
because they had potentially killed him. But then who killed him?

626
00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:51.519
They didn't have enough evidence, not the defendants. It was

627
00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:54.480
just speculation that it was the defendants. But like, honestly,

628
00:37:56.320 --> 00:38:01.679
of course who ell and or Gus Mbrano was let go.

629
00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:03.719
He was found to not have been present at the

630
00:38:03.719 --> 00:38:05.280
time of the murder. He had just been the one

631
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:07.679
who acquired the vehicle, but he wasn't there when they

632
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:09.119
were killed, That's what they said, and so he was

633
00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:14.639
lego interesting. Yeah, And so the trial for Omar Ordonez

634
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:19.840
and Andres Abrano continued and after a lot of testimonies

635
00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:24.280
placing them at the location, documents and physical evidence, a

636
00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:29.000
historic sentence for Ecuador was given on the seventeenth of

637
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:32.199
May twenty twenty fourth. The men were given the maximum

638
00:38:32.239 --> 00:38:36.000
sentence possible for murder, which is thirty four years in

639
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:42.320
prison without parole. And so yeah, for the murder of Nayellitapia,

640
00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:47.000
Juliana Massias, and Denis Rena. They were also ordered to

641
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:49.920
pay three hundred thousand dollars to the families for financial

642
00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:53.320
distress and another fine of thirteen thousand on top of

643
00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:57.719
the thirty three hundred thousand sorry numbers. Oh my god,

644
00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:04.800
it sounds so dumb. No, well, yeah, thirty thirty My bad. No,

645
00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:06.880
I had to practice, had to say five one hundred

646
00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:10.039
and eighty two thousand something earlier. So okay, well, yeah,

647
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:13.559
we're the same or one brain, shared brain cell. And

648
00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:16.960
the defense did try to appeal in October of twenty

649
00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:19.760
twenty four and there was a new trial to see

650
00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:22.440
if the sentence was fair, because according to the defense,

651
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:25.280
it was not fair. But luckily justice was on the

652
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:28.360
side of the family and the sentence was ratified. Like

653
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:30.760
they were like, yeah, this was good. Is that what

654
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:37.079
ratified means? I don't know. Okay, whoa, I'm not that

655
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:40.199
smart neither. In Spanish it was ratificado, so I have

656
00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:44.599
assumed that that translated into ratified, and then I assumed

657
00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:48.880
that it had a meeting a lot of assumptions. Maybe

658
00:39:48.880 --> 00:39:51.440
someone will that was not the right term. They basically

659
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:54.400
were like, yeah, this was the right sentence. But you know,

660
00:39:54.440 --> 00:39:56.960
what should have happened there should have been like nope, more,

661
00:39:57.559 --> 00:40:00.559
actually we messed there was a case more what were

662
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:02.519
we what case was there? Where they were like someone

663
00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:06.039
appealed and then it was like no more time we

664
00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:08.280
covered a case. I remember that. I don't even remember.

665
00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:13.920
Yeah either, And although it clearly doesn't bring back their daughters,

666
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:19.199
the families felt relief that the second trial was refirming,

667
00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:23.159
reaffirming that that sentence, and they of course continued to

668
00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:29.079
miss their daughters or sisters or nieces right their sense

669
00:40:29.119 --> 00:40:36.199
of safety was forever destroyed. Paulina received threats for publicly

670
00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:40.800
demanding justice. A family member of the niece stated she

671
00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:43.519
didn't feel safe fucking around anymore, like how could she.

672
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:52.199
At Juliana's funeral, a mass man approached Paulina JULIANA'STM and

673
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:59.320
told hers stop poking around. Remember that you have daughters. Yeah.

674
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:03.559
This is just so reminiscent of so many things that

675
00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:06.920
we've talked about, and one that comes to mind because

676
00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:11.079
I'm listening to the book Everyone who is Gone is here.

677
00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:14.840
I'm pretty sure that, yeah, I think so. I'm listening

678
00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:19.320
to that, and I want to recommend it over but

679
00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:21.840
because they talk about a lot of stuff that we

680
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:25.440
have talked about here and in this podcast, because they

681
00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:34.880
talk about Luscetto's uh murder in the book, but in

682
00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:39.440
one part, because it's basically about Central America, the history

683
00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:42.800
and the US involvement and the migration crisis because of

684
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:50.559
US involvement, and they talk about Mina Midna Mac was

685
00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:56.360
her y from and how she was killed because of

686
00:41:56.400 --> 00:41:59.639
all of her work with the researching the indigenous community

687
00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:04.360
and advocating for the indigenous community that had basically basically

688
00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:09.800
been was being genocided by the Guatemalan government military and

689
00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:13.159
she was killed because of her work by the military.

690
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:23.039
But of course putiny impunity was rampant, and instead of

691
00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:27.400
properly investigating her murder, they said it was just one

692
00:42:27.519 --> 00:42:30.920
random robbing. I think that's what they ended up seeing.

693
00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:37.679
And then her sister fought for investigating herself, advocated for

694
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:42.159
a right justice to be served. She took the case

695
00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:46.800
to the ic J. I'm pretty sure it was, but

696
00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:50.280
she and the family was receiving threats because she was

697
00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:55.039
looking into the murder of Vietna. Yes, that's right. And

698
00:42:55.119 --> 00:42:58.679
the book they also talk about the creation of the

699
00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:03.280
MS thirteen and how the gangs basically spread all over

700
00:43:03.320 --> 00:43:06.239
Central America too. And they're talking about the violence in Guatemala,

701
00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:13.679
and there's one part where this woman's uncle was killed

702
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:16.880
and then she was threatened. Basically the family was threatened

703
00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:21.000
one by one. They all fled and eventually made their

704
00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:24.199
way to the US because of the violence and the threats.

705
00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:26.880
They were very similar because of a Faunid member that, yeah,

706
00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:31.159
very similar. It's such a huge issue. And Paulina was

707
00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:34.119
already used to receiving threats because of her job of

708
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:36.599
her wife. Yeah, but this was a whole another level.

709
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:40.000
She requested state protection, which I think should have been

710
00:43:40.039 --> 00:43:44.159
given to her, but it wasn't. And tragically for her family,

711
00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:47.239
the worst was yet to come. Her son was killed

712
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:50.679
in an unrelated incident, it seems. But then in November

713
00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:54.519
twenty twenty four, she herself was abducted. Oh wow, and

714
00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:58.320
she was found two days later in Tossagua, Ecuador, three

715
00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:01.960
hours away from Santa Domingos, really hurt. She was taken

716
00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:04.159
to the hospital where she was basically finding for her

717
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:07.159
life and they still never found out the motive for

718
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:11.079
her kidnapping. But luckily she was returned home safe and sound.

719
00:44:11.719 --> 00:44:15.639
She's yes, yes, but could it haven't related, Like we

720
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:20.639
don't know. Yeah, I'm like, even if it wasn't related,

721
00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:23.199
it just goes to show the wave of violence against

722
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:27.719
women and the femicide. Yeah, the murder of the three

723
00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:33.159
women and then the aftermath of their murders, it just

724
00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:37.239
sheds so much light on the dangerous woman face simply

725
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:39.440
for being women. And then the fact that it wasn't

726
00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:42.599
called the femicide afterward is just like adding insult to injury.

727
00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:46.880
Oh yeah, definitely, definitely, And that's the importance of fighting

728
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:51.000
the patriarchy because a lot of dumb bitches out there

729
00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:56.079
think that subscribing to traditional gender roles and falling in

730
00:44:56.159 --> 00:44:59.079
line with the patriarchy will protect them. Well it does not.

731
00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:04.840
It actually to morelence violence, and it doesn't protect you.

732
00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:08.880
I mean, just look at any point in time. Yeah.

733
00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:13.719
Also another important thing here, this is twenty twenty three

734
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:17.079
when it occurred, and like a lot of Latin America,

735
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:20.599
Igualala falls under the same trajectory where they're pushing right

736
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:23.440
and right and they actually just right. It's like, I

737
00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:27.039
feel like the whole world almost Yeah, except Mexico. M Hm,

738
00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:31.000
you've got meco governments. I'll be shotting that on the

739
00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:35.199
sucker game. Sorry, go on, oh wow for sure. Anyway,

740
00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:45.719
but when these right wing these types of governments and dictatorships,

741
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:49.119
the people at the most to face the most danger

742
00:45:49.239 --> 00:45:54.199
under these types of governments are women and children, and

743
00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:57.800
like people think, oh, we need us strong hand to

744
00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:01.360
lead us to safety, and really people pay the price

745
00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:04.400
for that. And it's not even just like state sanctioned

746
00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:09.159
crimes that go up, but then impunity happens. And like, yes,

747
00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:12.320
here in this case they did face justice, even though

748
00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:15.199
it was lessened into a femicide. But like when you

749
00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:19.239
have these dictatorships coming into power less than from a

750
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:22.960
m yes, sorry, I don't know what I said. Oh yes,

751
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:27.320
from two anyway, I don't know know, like it was

752
00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:30.159
not it was originally charged them and then yes, thank

753
00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:36.320
you yeses. Also side note, but like the US is

754
00:46:36.360 --> 00:46:43.880
helping the authoritative government in Equador right now fight their opposition,

755
00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:47.119
which is never a good sign, right of course, and

756
00:46:47.320 --> 00:46:49.599
like it's just I don't know, I guess important to

757
00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:51.440
get a full picture of like what is going on

758
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:55.960
in the country that informs these type of crimes, because

759
00:46:56.000 --> 00:47:00.360
like when these governments take power, these types of crimes rise.

760
00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:02.239
And it's not to say one is more perfect than

761
00:47:02.239 --> 00:47:05.440
the other, but one is like a fake sense of safety,

762
00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:12.800
and you know, and and one believes in yes, violent rhetoric. Yes,

763
00:47:13.480 --> 00:47:16.960
like I don't care if you if you think that

764
00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:20.440
people are exaggerating, but that's the reality of it. Yeah,

765
00:47:21.159 --> 00:47:25.039
like viewing women as objects, being children as objects, that's

766
00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:34.960
what that's what enables a violent attitude in worldview against

767
00:47:35.119 --> 00:47:41.239
women and children against Yeah, the most vulnerable. And I

768
00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:43.519
mean it's not to go too off topic, and that

769
00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:46.119
is a tenet of the right way, yes, and of

770
00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:50.119
these patriarchal systems. So I don't know what I was

771
00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:52.719
gonna say, so it doesn't matter, but yeah, yeah, just

772
00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:55.679
I want to say those things. Feminism period. Yes, that's

773
00:47:55.679 --> 00:48:05.679
why it's important. Yeah. So yeah, do you have any

774
00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:10.400
speaky recommendations? Actually I do, I do. I listen to

775
00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:17.400
the audiobook. Cackle, Oh, I've racheld something, isn't it Harrison?

776
00:48:18.440 --> 00:48:20.480
I think it is her. I think you're right, it's Harrison. Yeah,

777
00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:23.519
I think so. I'm gonna pulls. Okay. I've realized a

778
00:48:23.559 --> 00:48:25.760
lot of people don't like her writing, just like a

779
00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:27.800
lot of people don't like Grady Hendrix. And it's so

780
00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:30.119
funny because I've liked all the books I've read by

781
00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:35.840
both of them. Both of them, I think I've read

782
00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:38.960
too or listen. I haven't actually read any, but I

783
00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:42.440
listened to three of her books already. I think, Mmm, okay,

784
00:48:42.519 --> 00:48:45.039
I still need to read one. I still haven't. Oh

785
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:51.360
you haven't. No, okay, so cackle by Rachel Harrison the

786
00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:54.760
description all her life, Annie has played it nice and safe.

787
00:48:54.840 --> 00:48:58.840
After being unceremoniously dumped by her longtime boyfriend, Annie seeks

788
00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:01.719
a fresh start. She accept a teaching position that moves

789
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:06.159
from Manhattan to a small village upstate. She's stunded by

790
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:09.039
how perfect and picturesque the town is. The people are

791
00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:12.320
all friendly and warm. Her new apartment is dreamy too,

792
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:18.079
minus the oddly persistent spider in physician. Then Annie meets Sophie, Beautiful, charming,

793
00:49:18.119 --> 00:49:22.079
magnetic Sophie who takes a special interest in Annie, who

794
00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:24.960
wants to be her friend. More importantly, she wants Annie

795
00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:28.159
to stop apologizing and start living for herself. That's how

796
00:49:28.199 --> 00:49:31.559
Sophie lives. Annie can't help but gravitate toward the self

797
00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:34.360
possessed Sophie, wanting to spend more and more time with her,

798
00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:37.480
despite the fact that the rest of the town folks

799
00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:40.639
seem a little afraid of her, and like, Okay, there

800
00:49:40.639 --> 00:49:43.840
are some things. Sophie's appearance is on Kenny and ageless.

801
00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:46.239
Her mansion in the middle of the woods feels a

802
00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:49.760
little unearthly, and she does seem to wield a certain power.

803
00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:55.280
But she couldn't be could she done right? And it

804
00:49:55.360 --> 00:49:57.519
was just a perfect like it got me and a

805
00:49:57.559 --> 00:50:01.440
fall mood. I love this one hundred plus degree together

806
00:50:01.960 --> 00:50:04.599
that we were hiving here in the ARMPI. Yes, yes,

807
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:10.960
so yeah, it made me feel like fall in the inside.

808
00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:13.599
And people talk about cozy horror and I feel like

809
00:50:13.639 --> 00:50:18.119
this is cozy horror. Oh on that to my tv R. Yeah,

810
00:50:18.239 --> 00:50:22.280
I liked it. And in the end, it's like friendship. Ooh,

811
00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:26.159
I love woman friendship matters more. I love that. I

812
00:50:26.280 --> 00:50:29.599
just watched Brone City and that is the epitome of

813
00:50:29.960 --> 00:50:32.320
a women friendship. Okay, if you haven't watched it, you

814
00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:36.559
need to watch it. I do need to watch it. Yeah,

815
00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:39.199
so I liked it. I like cackle love. I'm going

816
00:50:39.280 --> 00:50:46.559
to add it to my TVR I'm never ending TVR

817
00:50:48.039 --> 00:50:50.400
my speaking recommendation. I already yapped about it for literally

818
00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:54.519
almost two hours with Aiden but weapons, oh weapons, it

819
00:50:54.559 --> 00:51:00.719
was so good, Like I it was, It's a different

820
00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:03.880
type of movie. I went in not knowing literally anything

821
00:51:03.880 --> 00:51:06.440
about it except kids running anime style, which I already

822
00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:09.920
said on to talk, and that's it. That's all I knew.

823
00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:12.119
I didn't know what to expect, which is like, I

824
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:15.320
guess people went in expecting aliens and spoiler there is

825
00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:18.360
no aliens. So they were like, this did not meet

826
00:51:18.360 --> 00:51:20.239
my expectations. And I was like, you know what, you

827
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:24.320
can't have expectations, don't have them go in. That's why

828
00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:27.599
I like listening and watching stuff without really knowing much

829
00:51:27.639 --> 00:51:31.079
about the same. And yeah, it blew in my mind.

830
00:51:31.159 --> 00:51:34.320
It was amazing. Just when you thought it wasn't gonna

831
00:51:34.360 --> 00:51:36.159
go there, it went there and it went past it,

832
00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:39.000
but it wasn't It was like a good past past it.

833
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:41.639
It wasn't like a bad past it, you know. Uh.

834
00:51:41.679 --> 00:51:43.360
And I'm not gonna say anything else because you need

835
00:51:43.400 --> 00:51:47.199
to watch it, but it was fucking crazy. I there

836
00:51:47.239 --> 00:51:50.039
was like three moments specific when I was like, was

837
00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:54.639
it scary? Yeah, some parts were like, we're like, because

838
00:51:54.679 --> 00:51:56.880
I was trying to convince Pat to watch it. Oh okay,

839
00:51:56.960 --> 00:51:59.280
now I hardly watched movies by myself. There was a

840
00:51:59.320 --> 00:52:04.119
couple jump scares. Oh, and he saw the trailer and

841
00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:05.559
he's like, no, I don't want to watch it, and

842
00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:07.360
I was like, yeah, I don't think. I think he

843
00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:10.239
would be horrified. I do. Yeah, okay, it's more for

844
00:52:10.360 --> 00:52:16.119
me and you, you know it honestly, almost, but it

845
00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:18.000
was a little more light than that. But it almost

846
00:52:18.039 --> 00:52:22.840
made me feel as dreadful as that Argentinean movie. I

847
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:25.159
wouldn't shut the fuck up out. Maybe you're gonna say, yes,

848
00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:28.880
I already forgot the name. I don't remember it either,

849
00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:31.480
but no, yes, it's the same people who made Terrified,

850
00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:35.360
but it's not Terrified. It's that other one with the

851
00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:40.280
possessed people, and it has a very similar name to that. Anyway,

852
00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:42.320
it made me feel like that, but it was had

853
00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:46.320
lighter moments which were very appreciated. Also, Oh, well, no,

854
00:52:46.480 --> 00:52:48.840
you didn't watch you watch some of The Walking Dead?

855
00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:53.039
Do you remember Ron from The Walking Dead? Ron? Yeah?

856
00:52:53.079 --> 00:52:57.400
Do you remember when they get to Alexandria? No? Okay,

857
00:52:57.519 --> 00:52:59.920
so that's pointless anyway, Ron from The Walking Dad is

858
00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:02.719
in the movie, and I was like, okay, Ron, I

859
00:53:02.760 --> 00:53:05.639
see you. He was so good in it. He was

860
00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:08.559
an annoying as Brady kid in The Walking Dead, so

861
00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:10.320
I didn't know his game. Ron is a kid, and

862
00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:12.199
yeah he's a kid in The Walking Dead. He's an adult.

863
00:53:12.280 --> 00:53:14.800
Now I only remember Carl. Yeah, well they get to

864
00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:17.400
they leave like the I don't know. No, that's too

865
00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:23.360
much I go into I can't recap four seasons. I

866
00:53:23.400 --> 00:53:26.000
would love to. I love The Walking Dead, but no,

867
00:53:26.039 --> 00:53:28.280
I'm not going to. Anyway, he was in it and

868
00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:31.440
he was shockingly good, and I yapped about the movie

869
00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:34.079
for almost two hours with Aiden. Is he still a kid? No, No,

870
00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:36.239
he's a young adult. He's an adults. I don't know

871
00:53:36.239 --> 00:53:39.000
how old he is, like twenty five, maybe twenty six,

872
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:43.559
twenty eight, I don't know. I'm guessing, Oh, are you

873
00:53:43.679 --> 00:53:49.800
older than twenty younger than thirty? Okay, Yeah, that's a

874
00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:52.760
good window there. All right. Well, I guess that brings

875
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:56.760
us to the end of the episode. We'll see how

876
00:53:56.760 --> 00:54:01.039
the Mexico versus Japan game goes. Carmen's gonna attended irl

877
00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:04.440
and I'm gonna go to a bar hat and back

878
00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:07.639
or hat back, grill, hat back and grill something like that.

879
00:54:08.519 --> 00:54:11.840
If you just like look up where they show games

880
00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:16.559
at places, it's gonna pop up. I see, yeah, and

881
00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:20.519
so yeah, I'll update everyone on my social butterfly events later.

882
00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:26.079
And other than that, I was gonna try and say

883
00:54:26.119 --> 00:54:28.079
something about the Poulter guys, but I can't think watch

884
00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:32.679
Out for Brickings like watch Out for Bricks go goes

885
00:54:32.719 --> 00:54:36.719
to brickings by Polter guys. Yeah, and yees stay spokua,

886
00:54:36.760 --> 00:54:39.840
can't you real next time? Oh my god, no, no, no, no, no,

887
00:54:40.199 --> 00:54:46.119
I almost forgot event. Yes, I momentarily remembered right now

888
00:54:46.159 --> 00:54:48.599
and they're forgotten. Then you wait, you said that's what's

889
00:54:48.599 --> 00:54:51.800
freshmen hair right now? Because I was like gonna mention, yes, okay,

890
00:54:51.880 --> 00:54:55.920
go ahead. Have you stayed this long? We have some news.

891
00:54:56.280 --> 00:55:00.239
We're going to be in Washington in y I come

892
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:04.199
out Washington. An event called the Cugui is going to

893
00:55:04.280 --> 00:55:08.119
get you a night of storytelling, Sustos and spirits featuring

894
00:55:08.320 --> 00:55:11.880
Jonathan Pees from Latinos against Spooky Shit and then us

895
00:55:11.960 --> 00:55:16.360
as Spooky teals. Yeah, and there's gonna be live storytelling

896
00:55:16.840 --> 00:55:19.679
terot Oracle card readers, and then there's gonna be a

897
00:55:19.719 --> 00:55:23.480
little spooky Mercado and tickets go on sale. Did they

898
00:55:23.480 --> 00:55:25.039
already go and sale? I didn't see a link. It

899
00:55:25.039 --> 00:55:28.400
says tickets go on sale September first, but yeah, you

900
00:55:28.519 --> 00:55:31.400
didn't like send me anything. As soon as we have

901
00:55:31.480 --> 00:55:35.360
the link, I will update it. This is editing Christina

902
00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:39.800
from the future from when this was recorded, interrupting this

903
00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:43.000
episode to announce that the tickets have gone live as

904
00:55:43.039 --> 00:55:47.920
of ten am Friday, September fifth. If we're hearing this

905
00:55:48.119 --> 00:55:51.519
at the time it releases, and if you're hearing it later,

906
00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:54.760
there's still up probably unless you're hearing it like years

907
00:55:54.800 --> 00:55:57.480
from now, which I don't know about that. But yes,

908
00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:02.360
tickets go on sale September fifth, twenty twenty five, at

909
00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:06.760
ten am specific Standard time, and I have put the

910
00:56:06.800 --> 00:56:08.920
link in the show notes. Let me know. If that

911
00:56:08.960 --> 00:56:11.400
doesn't work. It won't work before ten am, but it

912
00:56:11.400 --> 00:56:14.320
should work after. If it doesn't, let me know. And

913
00:56:14.360 --> 00:56:17.960
we hope to see you at the event in Yakima.

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We will be at that event. I don't think the

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tickets are livea but by the time this comes out,

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hopefully it will be. There's supposed to be line September first,

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so yeah, we'll share the link and more details to come,

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but yeah, November one, we're gonna be there. And I mean, hey,

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that's only that at to hour drive from Seattle, so like,

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if you're in this area or a little further, just

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go just drive over there, go, just go. And of

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course if you're in Yakima, like come through, come through.

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And yeah, okay, that's what I wanted to share. No

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one will know how long it took us to find

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that information. And yeah, other than that Facebook, we'll catch

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everyone next time. Bye bye. As Booktells is hosted by

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