May 23, 2025

The Legend of Cuatlacas & the Case of Juan Delgado (part 2)

The Legend of Cuatlacas & the Case of Juan Delgado (part 2)
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(00:00:00) Intro
(00:00:45) Listener Stoory
(00:02:34) The Legend of Cuatlacas
(00:07:37) the Case of Juan Delgado (part 2)
(00:51:13) Spooky Recs

Did you know that in the forests of Puebla, there's a bigfoot-like creature named Cuatlacas? Carmen shares this legend, but first, reads a listener story. Cristina shares the case of Juan Delgado, from La Habra, CA. In part one, she shares Juan's life, the days he was lasat seen and then the discovery of his remains. Part two will continue with the trial. Check out @YessCess on TIktok, the creator who shared the case on TikTok.

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Hello, Hello, this is Carmen Yes, and this is another

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episode of a Spooky Tales, the podcast for all things spooky, paranormal,

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haunted places, and true crime. Yeah, we're continuing my part

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two from last week, so we have a listener story

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before we get into our topics here. And if you

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have a story that you want to send to us,

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you can email a Spooky toes at gmail dot com.

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You can submit it on Discord, you can call it

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a Spooky Hotline. You can send me a DM on Instagram.

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That's just at a Spooky Tells. All those things are

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ways to get your stories to us and we love

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receiving them. Hello. So, I've been working at Ono Hawaiian

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Barbecue in stock Tins. Then opened in October twenty nineteen.

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Apparently a young man died of an overdose when he

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used to be a taco bell. I've heard from previous

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coworkers that they would hear a meld's voice down the

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hall before the store was open, by the restroom and

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nobody would be there. Some of the girls would freak

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out because they would hear banging coming from the men's

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room and nobody would be in there. Dishes fall off

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the shelf all the time. There will be times when

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we don't have the air conditioner on and you'll feel

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a cold breeze by the restrooms. I sometimes wonder if

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my young coworkers would feel the paranormal activity and his

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presence because he was young as well. Maybe he was

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trying to communicate with them. Also, Western Ranch is very haunted.

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There was the spirit that wouldn't leave my teenage daughter alone.

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She would tell us that she would see something walking

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in her room around her bed in the middle of

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the night, and they would sit at the foot of

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her bed. Sometimes it would caress her face. We spoke

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to someone who studied paranormal activity and they told us

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to have our daughter talk out loud to the spirit

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and politely ask it to leave and go rest in peace.

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She did that one night after my husband prayed and

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blessed the room with all of them. She never complained

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about the spirit bothering her ever. Again, that's so interesting

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about olive oil. I have never heard that people using

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that me neither interesting. That's new to me. Also, you

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know what's not new to me, but hearing that Western

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Ranch is haunted because someone else sent a story about

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Western Ranch there's a high school western ranch, and then

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that neighborhood is like that, that's what it's called, and

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that was super haunted apparently. So let's hear your paranal story. Okay,

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So today we're talking about something that we have already

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shared in one over Spanish episode, and that is El

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Lacas the Loos Bosquez in Mexico, of course, the quad

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Lacas of the forest. Right, I'm sorry at this point,

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just learned Spanish. I'm I know that I haven't been

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nice to nos amples, but now I'm not. I don't

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care anymore. So how you know, whatever you can translate

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for me, I'm not doing it anymore. Okay, I feel

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more alive after being mean. I have no words. Okay.

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There's a story that originated in the dense forests of

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the northern Sierra or Sierra the Puebla. It's said that

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a strange creature lives there, which the inhabitants of the

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region called the Quadlacas of the forest. See look, I

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was gonna translate later anyway, and many people have claimed

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to have seen it. People who have seen this creature

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describe it as a kind of caveman, large, savage looking,

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and completely covered in dark tangled hair. It's said that

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its height exceeds three meters nine feet and ten point

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eleven inches, so about ten feet. Its behavior is extremely

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hostile toward all intruders who come to the forest to

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cut down trees for timber trade. This legend began to

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circulate after some lumberjacks traveled into the thickets of the

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mountains aboard a truck. It was a nighttime and the

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full moon illuminated the trees with a faint, silvery hue.

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So poetic they were heading to the site to cut

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down trees when suddenly they heard loud wars that didn't

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sound like felines or any other wild animal commonly found

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in the forests and mountains. It sounded more like a

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gorilla or something similar, so they continued on their journey.

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They weren't too worried since they were already used to

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dealing with wild animals. Little by little, they went deeper

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and deeper into the forest. Upon reaching the work site,

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they disembarked from the truck with large saws and motorized

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cutters to cut down the thick trunks, but the fearsome

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wars could still be heard. They weren't just looking out

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for the animals. The operation they were carrying out was illegal,

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so they also had to be alert for the forest rangers,

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as they knew they were taking a risk by logging

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in that area, and that's why they were doing it

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at night, protected by the shadow. Hidden by the night,

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their only light was the moon. After finishing, they made

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a sort of camp to wait for dawn and leave

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with the cargo. I missed the silence. The roars were

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heard again, but this time they could be heard closer

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and louder than before. It began to rain, and just

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like in a horror movie, the monster appeared enraged, knocking

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down everything in its path. It stopped, staring at them mysteriously,

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as if it were complaining that they had desecrated its domain.

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It's like, don't fuck up my house, bitch, this is

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my bosque. With impressive strength, the strange creature uprooted a

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huge tree with its bare hands, lifting it over its head,

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and then threw it onto the truck, completely crushing the cap.

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It roared again with all its my and tried to

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uproof another tree. At this point, the lumberjacks ran, almost

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to the point of losing consciousness. They ran and eventually

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ran into others that had also encountered the creature and

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a mob formed. Once a large crowd had gathered, they

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went to where the beast had attacked them. They found

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the truck completely destroyed, but there was no log on it,

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So the crowd didn't believe the story from the lumberjacks.

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Since there's no proof of existence of quatakas, only rumors

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and stories from the people who live around the forest.

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This is just another one of the many legends that

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exists in Pueblin. I believe them. The hashtag believed that

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lumberjacks also it was kind of their fault for participated

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in illegal what's that called illegal lumberjacking destroying the forest logging?

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Thank you, I could not remember. Oh wow, it is

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their fault. If only Quadlakas would help us over here

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on this side of the border with our national forest

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and federal parks and all of that. Yes, yes, okay,

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that was a short panormal story for today, and we'll

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be back with my part after this ad break. And

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we're back, so we're continuing with my case from last week,

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the case of Juan Delgado. Again, the same warnings that

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this is a heavy case. It does involve potential maybe

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sexual assault, and I mean the murder of a child.

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So you know, listen with caution or skip this episode

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if you need to. But yeah, it's yeah, it's a

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bad one. So in part one, we left off with

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Juan Delgado, the investigation, the arrest, and I left off

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where the trial was about to start, but Joey's selection

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was postponed because of nine to eleven. And before I

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continue with the trial, I do want to talk a

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little bit about John Goldbriel, the murderer, the national from Egypt, yes,

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and how he even came to cross paths with Juan.

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Goldbriel was born in the small village of Tauta in

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southern I don't know if I'm saying that right. I'm

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so sorry you Tahta. Maybe someone will correct you. Yeah,

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but do it nicely, please, you don't bitch is not

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pronounced tata okay go on in the small village of

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Tauta in southern Egypt. His family noticed signs that he

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was quote disturbed from a young age. He wasn't like

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his brother or his four sisters. He was a lonely kid.

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He had almost no friends and he always had problems

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with his classmates, and he was also often being up

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for being Christian at school. He was being up for

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being Christian. Mm hmm. Yeah. Was his family not also

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being up for being Christian? Yeah? Yeah, they like at

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school his schoolmates were almost all Muslim and they beat

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him up for Christian And at one point he was

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apparently stacked with the compass by another student. Oh wow,

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also so early. But I'm I I'm always I feel like,

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no one is born evil, no one is born bad, right,

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So it's interesting to me and I wonder how much

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of it is What is that there's a word for

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when something all confirmation by us? Okay, sorry, thinking out

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a lot a little bit, but I wonder how much

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of it is confirmation by is when a relative does

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something horrible and then the family comes down they're like,

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oh they were always horrible, there were always a bad kid,

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they were always weird, Like, how much of that is

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confirmation bias? How much of it was a reaction from

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abuse or maybe just the personality they were a little

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bit different and more quiet like, and then they were ostracized,

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you know, right right, and then maybe the conditions and

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wherever they live too. That's like being brought up in

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times of war or things like that, or being persecuted,

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actually persecuted for being Christian. Real persecution. Yeah, emphasis on

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the real Okay, go on, yes, yeah and yeah. At

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one point he was sad with the compass by another

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student at school elementary school. I my dad, and he

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would often spit for no reason. His hands were always shaking.

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He suffered head injuries, both by accident but also from

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freek went beatings. Yeah, he fell a lot on his own.

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Point proven, no, kind of completely, He did follow a

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lot on his own. But also his father was physically abusive,

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of course he was. At some point he picked up

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a whole table and hit him in the head with it. Wow,

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what the hell? Yeah, and his father regularly used metal

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chains like the ones to restrain dogs like in movies.

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Like I feel like nobody does that anymore, but like

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I don't know, if you put on a movie from

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the nineties and there's these big dogs and they have

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these metal chains, I still see dogs like that. Okay,

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never mind, I don't those kind of chains. And when

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his dad would try and hit his mom, Goldbriel would

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try and intervene and would be beaten from I'm sorry.

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Fucked his family for being like I always disturbed, like you.

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You abused him, You threw a table at him, and

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then he abused his mother in front of him. Of course,

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that causes someone to be violent and obligatory. Not always,

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not everybody reacts the same way growing up. But this

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is a recipe for violence, like, come on, I I'm

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sick of this. In his early adulthood, he was trained

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to do agricultural work. Sorry, I had to breathe, I

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heard you. But then he was conscripted into the army.

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Great thrown into more violence. Yes, and his parents were

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worried because they believed the army would be very difficult

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for him, and they were correct. He didn't finish his service,

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and he returned early with his arm amputated. What happened

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to him? He never said what happened or how it happened,

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Oh my god, and nobody knows. Wow. He did, however,

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return with a way worse mental health situation. Of course

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he did. Somebody cut his arm off, Oh my god,

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and we don't know how it happened. Yeah, And so

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there was one thing he had always done since childhood.

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He would dig for gold because his mom told him.

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Whenever he was upset or whatever, she would tell him

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the same story about how there was gold everywhere because

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of pyramids and pharaohs and it being Egypt. And ever

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since she started telling him this story to make him

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feel better when he was upset, he would dig and dig,

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and so when he came back from the army, he

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would spend his time digging and digging, and this time

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it was different from when he was a child. He

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would get extremely angry when he didn't find any gold well,

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and he couldn't like understand that the stories were just

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stories from his mom and this was true since childhood,

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he would not hear that it was not real, and

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so once he returned from the army, he would get

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so angry when he didn't find gold. Then he would

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go pick fights with Muslims in his neighborhood and then

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get beat up. On top of that, he would also

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defecate inside the house on the roof in the garage. Wow.

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His family tried to isolate him so that he wouldn't

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cause any more trouble, like restraining him in a room,

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and his family did try to take him to several

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doctors over the years. Psychologists, brain surgeons, neurospecialists. They tried

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different medications, therapies, and eventually electric shock therapy. And so

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this man with a childhood of violence and mental health

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issues found himself in Lahabra, California. Hell, I'm going into

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it all right. He was granted asylum after making his

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way to Texas, and it was religious asylum because he

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was like, I'm being persecuted for being a Coptic Christian

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in a majority Muslim country. And so the the asylum

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was grunted based on this. But was this the real

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reason he fled to Egypt? I bet you it wasn't. No,

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No one knew it at the time. This information would

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come out during the trial. So John Goldbriel arrived in

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the Harbor in the late nineteen nineties and began renting

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a shed behind Maria at Studia's house on West Greenwood Avenue.

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And she described him as withdrawn, very quiet. She never

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really talked with him, but she did let him use

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her shower and her TV once in a while. Because

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he wasn't a shed, he didn't have access to these things,

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and wild that you could just rent out of shed.

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First of all, That's what I was gonna say. After

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I was done taking my sip. Yeah, that's why I

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said it. Yeah. And he was always out in the streets,

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spending his day panhandling and offering to do our jobs

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at a strip mall in the city, and he was

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known to hand candy out to kids sometimes no in

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your Carmen's face if you're not on video. Oh no, yeah, so,

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and he would always just stand near Northgate Market with

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the sign saying he was hungry. And that's probably how

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he came across Juan Delgado. Well, that's the store he

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used to go volunteer and get tips, right. Yeah, And Juan,

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being friendly and now going, became friends with Gobriel, and

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even his siblings saw Juan being kind to John Gobriel.

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They were at Taco Bell once, Juan and his siblings

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and they walked past John who was holding a hungry sign,

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and Juan used his yardwork money to buy his snickers

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for Gobriel and gave it to him, and his siblings

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noted like, oh, they look like they know each other,

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like their friends, and people frequently saw them walking around

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together at the market or the Pick and Save. About

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three weeks before Juan Delgado missing a leharbre Loco Alfonso

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Solano walked into Northgate Market and while he was about

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to enter the store, he passed by Juan and John Gobriel.

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They were standing outside of the store together and they

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looked like friends. Juan was running circles around Gobriel and

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it looked like they were playing around. But then Alfonso,

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who was entering the store, heard Gobriel yelling at Juan Delgado,

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and then Gobriel threw his hat at Juan, and Gobriel

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would go from laughing to yelling to looking like he

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was happy to mad, like these huge swings and emotions. Yes,

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and so you know, Alfonso made his way into the store.

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Once he was done shopping and heading out, Juan Delgado

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ran inside and he told Alfonso in Spanish, Sir, He's

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going to kill me. What Yeah, But Alfonso, thinking they

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were friends, told Juan not to worry and that if

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the man tried anything, kwand would mess him up because

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the man only had one arm, Like double, can he

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really do you have two arms and he has one?

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But he added like if the man keeps bothering, you

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tell this liquor store cashier to call the police. And

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as Alfonso was leaving, he heard John Gorebriel tell Juan Delgado,

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I'm going to kill you. I will kill you and

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eat your peepee. Oh my god, what the hell? I

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know that A lot of times we think like someone

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else will still step in, someone else will help this

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person or whatever. But like, no, of course it's not

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this man's fault or whatever. But I don't know, Like

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I feel like more alarm brol alarm bells should have

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been ringing right here. But I could see why he

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minimized it. Yeah, same, I could see both sides to that. Yeah,

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and I fulso heard Goldbriel say this several times as

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he walked away. And John goldbro was alone in the

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area because he stood out. There wasn't a lot of

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one armed homeless people walking around. He was the only one.

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And he wore the same clothes all the time, and

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he always stood in the same spots, so people knew him.

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They often gave him money or food, and wherever he

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was at people described him in the same way. He

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didn't make eye contact with anyone. He just stared and

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he just looked like he wasn't there, like he was dreaming.

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His eyes were somewhere else. He and yeah, he rarely spoke,

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even when he was like quote begging for money, right,

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he was just standing there with his hands stretched out

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and like someone gave him something fine, but he wouldn't

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say anything. Sometimes he found work handing out flyers for places,

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but like when he did this, he would just walk

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in and like jam fires in people's hands and walk

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out like like he didn't know how to act around people.

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It's yeah. Sometimes he would pass out fires in the

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same market that Juan Delgado helped with bags too, So

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that's another place that they would have like met as well. Oh,

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I thought that was the story you were talking about

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right now. So it's the same store. Oh okay, no, no, no,

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it's the same store. He also asked for a cashier

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job once a week at that same store, but the owner,

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mister Bolot, he always told John Gobral that they didn't

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have any positions. And yeah, he was always in the

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same places, in front of the Taco bell A donut shop,

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the Pick and Save. Sometimes he would walk the aisles

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of the Pick and Save, and employees always said they

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they that he made them feel uncomfortable, and most employees

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dealing with him all said the same thing. He made

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them feel uncomfortable and easy but I but I will

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add that this is a lot of people's views of

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anyone that is homeless and walks into a store. Right.

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But that's what they all said. Those who knew him

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a little better had other views of him. Father Rockhebb,

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who was a pre set at church in Santa Anna,

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and John Gobral. When he first arrived to California, he

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spent time in Santa Anna. So he went to this

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church like for six months before he stopped going and

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was then in Lehabra. And so this father described John

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Gorbrol as a humble and simple man who was not

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very smart, but also he ad it like I don't

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think he's sane of a sane mind, right, And his

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father would give him food and money, but Goldbriel would

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give it away to people he thought needed it more

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than him. Wow. Right. And at this church he received

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help from the father a lot, and the churchgoers all

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said they were fond of him, and they sympathized with

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the situation that he didn't have an arm and that

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he seemed like he didn't know how to deal with people,

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like he just said how to act, and so they

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were worried for him and the father. The father said

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he saw good in him. And obviously his own sister

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also has a different, different opinion of him, different from

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her parents too, because she in that area no Egypt. Oh, okay,

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okay as well. Yeah, his sister said that he was

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her best friend and like a father to her. Oh,

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she testified in court. You know how they do character testimonies. Yeah,

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so her and the father both testified on behalf of

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John Gobriel, and so she said, yeah, that he was

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like a father to her and her best friend. She

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talked about how when they were in Egypt and she

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was forced to start attending Sunday school classes, he went

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with her because she didn't want to go, and he

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would sit next to her and help her with like

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the verses and like he taught her how to draw

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and things like that, and she would cheer him up

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when he would cheer her up when she was sad.

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Big brother stuff. But she did in her testimony by saying,

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as a little girl loves her father, that's the same

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way I feel for him. And the defense did try

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to present him as mentally ill, and it would seem

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that he really was, Like it's kind of wild to

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me that he wasn't declared unfit to stand trial because

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there was testimonies from twenty different mental health professionals all

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saying that he had severe mental health issues. Wow, did

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he understand what was going on? Like these mental health

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professionals didn't think he understood what was going on. Since

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his arrest, he had been in and out of different

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psychiatric wards in jail, and he was like hurting himself,

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and he and he had to be like protected in

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jail also because of his mental health status, but also

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his crime, because they were worried he would be attacked.

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And I didn't write down all the things he was

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doing in prison, but like, what do you mean all

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the things he was doing like hurting himself? Oh, okay, okay, yeah,

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and yeah, he was in and out of psychiatric words.

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Nine separate psychiatrists. Psychiatrists separately diagnosed him as psychotic with

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either schizo schizo effective disorder, or schizophrenia paranoid or disorganized type.

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And I did want to add here that mental illness

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alone doesn't make a defendant, doesn't make a defendant incompetent

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to stand trial. And also right, there's certain qualifiers to it, yes,

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and also just because he was schizophrenic doesn't mean, this

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is why he did what he did. Like right, there

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are most often victims of crime as opposed to people

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killing people or people committing crimes. Like we have said

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that before. But I wanted to at of here. And

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so this diagnosis alone didn't make him incompetent to stand trial,

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and his defense team did request a trial to determine

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whether or not he could stand trial, whether he understood

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what was going on, but the judge was like, no, interesting,

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so they didn't even like do that. I wonder what

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reasoning the judge used for that. It wasn't explained in

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the document, like because I read it's like a two

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hundred and fifty page documentation of the court and then

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an appeal that was later filed. That's what this document was.

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Oh so there was an appeal mm hmm. Interesting. Yeah,

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but yeah, the judge just was like, no, it's not necessary.

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He did what he did and he knows what he did,

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Like that's it. Like so yeah, it doesn't seem like, uh,

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legally strong reason right right, And so the while that

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was the defense that that's what the defense tried to argue,

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they also tried to argue and like a defense they're

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trying to help their client, right, of course, So the

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defense attempted to establish a pattern that would show that

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Juan was a troubled team who was effected and often

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seeking the companionship of adult men. Wow. I mean, of

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course they were trying to spin it like that. And

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even if that was true, that wouldn't make what John

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did any less, you know. Wrong. Yeah, it's like they're

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trying to blame him for being killed, like, oh, well,

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it was his fault because it was often seeking the

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company of men he saw John. It doesn't matter. Yeah,

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it's still a crime, exactly. And they filed eleven witnesses

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to prove that quote, Juan was a child who sought

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out and was comfortable with strange adults to avoid being

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at home. It does not matter, but okay, it doesn't.

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And of those eleven, only two whir al are to testify.

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And they said that they would often see Juan is

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leyas nine pm. They'd be like, why aren't you home?

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I was wondering earlier why because it seemed like he

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never wanted to be home, right, And the reason he

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would give his friends is that he would get in

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trouble in school and then he would be spanked for it,

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and he didn't want to be spanked. It's what he

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would tell his friends. But other than that, it's then

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those words that I shared in the first episode. I

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couldn't really find another reason. Yeah, his dad was a

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truck driver, so he wasn't home a lot, and then

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it was just his mom, who also worked, and there

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was a lot of kids in the house. But I

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can think of, like, you know, yeah, maybe he didn't

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want to go and be spained, right, like yeah, and

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maybe it was like they said, they're saying spanking, but

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really maybe it was more harsh punishment, like we don't know. Yeah,

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but either way, absolutely not a reason for him to

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deserve to be killed like comanity. Yeah, no, yeah, And

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so that was what the defense was trying to show. Meanwhile,

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the prosecution was arguing that there was a president to

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show that John Goldbriel was a predator who absolutely knew

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what he was doing, and they called up John Golbriel's cousin,

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sixteen year old Michael Fuzi Fahim, and Michael said that

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when he was six years old, he was at his

446
00:27:52.519 --> 00:27:55.400
sister's wedding and the whole family was there. So this

447
00:27:55.519 --> 00:28:00.640
included Gobriel, and at one point during the wedding, Golbriel

448
00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:03.599
asked Michael if he wanted to have some suite near

449
00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:08.279
the house. So the pair left the wedding together and

450
00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:11.039
when they got to a school, John Goldbriel told Michael

451
00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:14.799
to take off his clothes. Wow and also like warning,

452
00:28:14.839 --> 00:28:18.599
this part is terrible right here. When Michael refused, Goldbriel

453
00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:21.359
tried to tied him up with the clothing line and

454
00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:24.960
pushed a handkerchief in his mouth. He then held a

455
00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:27.240
knife up to him and took off his clothes and

456
00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:32.400
his own and tried to sexually assault Michael, but he couldn't. Wow.

457
00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:35.799
Then John Goldbriel got dressed and he hit Michael on

458
00:28:35.880 --> 00:28:39.559
both sides of the jaw, then proceeded to stab him

459
00:28:39.559 --> 00:28:43.279
in the chest, shoulder, arm, than under his testicles. Oh

460
00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:46.680
my god. He also hit him in the head, which

461
00:28:46.720 --> 00:28:51.119
Michael claimed is the reason he now has difficulty speaking. Wow.

462
00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:55.440
Michael lost consciousness and then Goldbriel picked him off the

463
00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:58.319
clothing line and just threw him on the ground and left.

464
00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:02.279
When Michael rec gain consciousness, a security guard found him

465
00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:04.640
and he was taken to the hospital, where he gave

466
00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:08.319
his first statement on what happened there. He told medical

467
00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:12.240
staff basically what I just said. And then a little

468
00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:16.400
bit later police arrived and he told them that Gobriel

469
00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:18.640
had asked Michael to show him his penis and then

470
00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:22.599
stamped him when he refused. And there was a few

471
00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:26.960
times that Michael said Gobriel tried to assault him, and

472
00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:29.599
other times that he said he didn't try that, other

473
00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:33.880
times he said he did assault him. And so his

474
00:29:34.279 --> 00:29:38.599
story changed quite a bit. Not I'm just saying like

475
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:43.079
that's what the record said. Like factually the record shows, yes,

476
00:29:43.160 --> 00:29:47.599
that story. His story changed quite a bit a few times. Yeah,

477
00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:52.279
And so because of this, defense then introduced the records

478
00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:55.640
from the Egyptian hospital he was at and court records

479
00:29:55.640 --> 00:29:58.960
of the event in Egypt. And so these medical reports

480
00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:03.160
showed that there was no damage to Michael's jaw. They

481
00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:07.000
didn't document any permanent damage to his speaking ability, like

482
00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:08.799
he said, you know, he hit me in the head

483
00:30:08.839 --> 00:30:11.400
and now we can't talk right. The report also showed

484
00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:14.319
that Michael's clothes weren't analyzed and there was no evidence

485
00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:18.000
of them having been torn off. Michael said he wasn't

486
00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:20.359
wearing any clothes when he was stabbed, but the records

487
00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:22.519
show that he had been stabbed with his clothes on,

488
00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:25.319
like they were bloody and there was a stabbing hole

489
00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:29.599
in them. And so the report, the official reports, contradicted

490
00:30:29.720 --> 00:30:32.680
some of what Michael said, and so there was no

491
00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:36.400
doubt he had been stabbed, but there was doubt as

492
00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:40.680
to whether the sexual assault happened because they you know

493
00:30:40.759 --> 00:30:44.240
fully examined him and there was no physical evidence of it.

494
00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:48.240
You know how they checked for like tearing, bruising, there

495
00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:50.720
was none of that, none of that to indicate he

496
00:30:50.799 --> 00:30:56.599
had been assaulted sexually. And I will add the report

497
00:30:57.000 --> 00:31:00.359
did say that Michael's father spoke with the police and

498
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:04.559
he told them that John was going through some abnormal circumstances,

499
00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:08.640
breaking everything in the house, continuously fighting with us at home,

500
00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:11.920
threatening us to set the house on fire, similar to

501
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:15.519
we had done to my uncle's house. So like he

502
00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:19.599
had issues. But at the same time, there was no

503
00:31:20.119 --> 00:31:25.160
physical evidence of sexual assault, which is what they tried

504
00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:27.680
to use this to say, Look, he's attacked a child

505
00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:31.519
this way before, he probably did the same like, so

506
00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:36.960
that didn't show that what they were saying. But this

507
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:40.599
attack is the reason he left Egypt. It wasn't religious persecution.

508
00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:45.599
He fled right after stabbing his cousin. And so while

509
00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:49.079
the prosecution tried to show or tried to provide evidence

510
00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:53.319
to show this was premeditated, the motivation for him to

511
00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:57.720
do this had been sexual. He'd been eyeing him for

512
00:31:57.759 --> 00:32:01.759
a while. All this was circumstantial, was absolutely nothing to prove,

513
00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:04.920
Like they tried to say, oh, he had porn in

514
00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:09.720
his shed to because he was a predator, but it

515
00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:13.559
was like straight porn, and then they were like, well

516
00:32:13.599 --> 00:32:17.359
he could have been using it to entice Juan Delgado.

517
00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:22.680
So again all very circumstantial, like nobody could figure out, well,

518
00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:26.160
why did he even go with him? Honestly though, Huan

519
00:32:26.279 --> 00:32:30.200
was probably looking for a way to avoid his house. Yeah,

520
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:35.759
and he knew John lived somewhere, you know. But yeah,

521
00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:39.160
there were no signs of like sexual assault, even though

522
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:42.640
that's the story that the prosecution was putting forward, like

523
00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:45.759
well he wanted to assault him and kill him. Yeah,

524
00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:50.599
But nothing could prove that this was premeditated or that

525
00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:54.440
the that Juan had been sexually assaulted, So they couldn't

526
00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:56.599
prove that aspect of it. But there was absolutely no

527
00:32:56.720 --> 00:32:59.559
denying that John Gobre was the person who murdered Juan

528
00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:03.240
del Gado even though they had no motive, like no

529
00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:07.000
motive and no cause of death, no official cause of

530
00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:11.039
death either, but there was no denying that, you know,

531
00:33:11.079 --> 00:33:13.240
he was the one who did it. So there was

532
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:16.920
like actual physical evidence that he killed him. Yes, but

533
00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:19.519
not of the sexual abuse then, yes, not of that

534
00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:24.400
or saying what actually killed him because the dismember bent

535
00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:26.880
happened after he was already dead. Okay, so they don't

536
00:33:26.920 --> 00:33:30.559
know the cause of death at this point. Yes. So

537
00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:34.200
Juander Gado was last seen walking with Gobriel on the

538
00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:37.920
afternoon of March eighteenth. I mentioned this in Part one.

539
00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:40.599
His classmate, who was at her family's restaurant, was the

540
00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:44.279
last person to see them and they were together at

541
00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:48.960
twelve thirty am. On March nineteenth, John Gorbriel was seen

542
00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:51.480
at the super kmar in Lahabra, where he bought a

543
00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:55.200
stock pod, cutting boards and pans, things that were found

544
00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:58.759
in the shed after they went in there after finding

545
00:33:58.839 --> 00:34:04.880
you know, those concrete cylinders. Later on the same day,

546
00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:07.880
on the nineteenth, John Gobral was seen at a home

547
00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:11.760
depot where an employee helped him pick out bags of

548
00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:16.039
concrete and got him or showed him the tools to

549
00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:18.320
mix the concrete and then helped him load it onto

550
00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:24.079
his Oh no, he didn't have a no, okay, so

551
00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:26.400
he didn't have a car. John Gobral didn't have a car,

552
00:34:26.440 --> 00:34:28.599
and he asked that employee if he could get a

553
00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:30.360
ride from them because he had a lot of stuff

554
00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:33.440
to carry the stuff he just bought. And the employee

555
00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:35.519
was like, sure, but I'm not off until later. And

556
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:37.119
when she went out to look for him, he wasn't

557
00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:40.239
there anymore. Oh wow, So he somehow lugged it all

558
00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:42.440
the way to his house. I think he just took

559
00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:47.280
the shopping cart. Okay. Yeah. At two forty five pm,

560
00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:50.880
he was seen pushing a shopping cart. Oh, with all

561
00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:53.400
those things in that shopping cart, and he was offered

562
00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:56.519
a ride. But the things he had, the concrete, bags

563
00:34:56.519 --> 00:34:59.000
of concrete, and the tools to mix all that, it

564
00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:01.440
didn't fit in the persons, so they just gave him

565
00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:05.039
like a bottle of water and they went on their way.

566
00:35:05.159 --> 00:35:09.599
He continued pushing that shopping cart. Around three thirty pm,

567
00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:13.280
he was dropped off by someone at a construction site

568
00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:17.840
where a guy named Stephen Mead was working, and so

569
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:21.519
someone gave him a ride. Stephen Mead offered John Gobriel

570
00:35:21.639 --> 00:35:24.559
a ride to his house in his pickup truck, and

571
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:28.000
you know, John Gobriel agreed, he was giving them directions.

572
00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:30.639
During the ride, Stephen did ask like, well, what are

573
00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:32.559
you using all this stuff for, just like you know,

574
00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:38.519
normal conversation project whatever, blah blah, yes, yeah, but John

575
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:40.800
Gobril didn't even like really answer him. He just said

576
00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:43.519
he had no means of transportation, but he needed money

577
00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:46.000
for his four children, which is like, it's a non answer,

578
00:35:46.039 --> 00:35:49.480
it's not it has nothing to do with when he asked, yeah, odd,

579
00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:54.119
and yeah, he you know, got there. He helped John

580
00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:57.360
unload the things onto the curb and went on his way.

581
00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:02.039
And then at eleven forty pm on the twentieth, so

582
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:06.639
the next day, a woman named Gina Thompson saw someone

583
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:10.280
who was later identified to be John Gobriel using one

584
00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:13.719
arm to push a heavy shopping cart down the sidewalk.

585
00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:19.800
A different man named Jose Madrigal saw Goldbriel around midnight

586
00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:24.639
with an empty shopping cart. And it was the morning

587
00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:27.440
the next morning, like a few hours later when Lorenzo

588
00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:31.480
Strada found those concrete cylinder, well one concrete cylinder in

589
00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:35.440
his yard and then all the side of his house

590
00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:37.440
and then the other second one was found, you know,

591
00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:41.880
not that far from that first one. So people literally

592
00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:45.199
saw him like doing time stamps of him all over

593
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:48.920
the place. Yes, And I wanted to add this timeline

594
00:36:48.960 --> 00:36:51.880
because in the video that I saw about this case,

595
00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:55.840
there were so many comments of people saying that they

596
00:36:55.880 --> 00:36:58.719
didn't they didn't think John Goldbril was working alone, that

597
00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:04.119
there was a second unknown person involved. But I just

598
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:06.760
don't think that's true at all, because people saw him

599
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:12.280
patty all over the place by himself, pushing it by himself. Yeah, yeah,

600
00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:15.880
but there, Yeah, there was like hundreds of comments like that.

601
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:19.079
People always think there's something more going on now, as

602
00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:23.639
if this is not troubling enough by itself, right, Uh.

603
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:26.119
And then the another reason they say this is because

604
00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:28.280
they're like, well, those concrete cylinders were too heavy for

605
00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:32.480
him to move. But he was a big guy, and

606
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:36.360
one of the cylinders was eighty eight pounds, that's not

607
00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:40.760
a lot for him to lift. The bigger one was

608
00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:43.400
two hundred pounds, but all he had to do was

609
00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:45.639
get it onto a shopping cart. Because he was seen

610
00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:49.400
pushing the shopping cart. He didn't even like like he

611
00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:53.079
pushed it down a hill, So that got it moves

612
00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:55.079
on its own after he pushed it once, you know,

613
00:37:55.559 --> 00:37:57.039
like all he had to do was put it on there. Like,

614
00:37:57.079 --> 00:37:59.719
I don't think there was someone else involved at all.

615
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:02.840
They really don't. I don't think so either. And that

616
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:05.559
third cylinder that was found like a year later, it

617
00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:11.960
was even smaller than the second one. So that's why

618
00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:14.239
I wanted to mention that timeline, because yeah, he was seen,

619
00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:17.039
like there's I don't think there was someone else involved. Also,

620
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:19.840
they weren't very far from each other. From his shed

621
00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:22.840
to where the cylinder first one was found was a

622
00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:25.280
few blocks and then another few blocks after that was

623
00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:27.840
the second cylinder. Like it was a very small radius,

624
00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:33.400
Like he didn't go far, Okay, And so back to

625
00:38:33.440 --> 00:38:37.519
the trial. After hearing out the prosecution and the defense,

626
00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:40.840
the jury, I don't I couldn't find how long they

627
00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:45.159
deliberated from deliberated for, but they did find him guilty

628
00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:49.960
of first degree murder while engaged in the commission of

629
00:38:50.599 --> 00:38:57.760
or attempted commission or attempting to commit, sorry, attempting or

630
00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:01.119
attempting to commit aluter lascivious act upon the person of

631
00:39:01.159 --> 00:39:05.480
a child under the age of fourteen. So basically murdering

632
00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:11.239
him with the intention of assaulting him, which again, like

633
00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:16.079
the prosecution, it was only a circumstantial evidence, right, But yeah,

634
00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:18.800
they found him guilty and he was then sentenced to

635
00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:22.880
death in two thousand and two. Oh wow. In twenty eleven,

636
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:25.199
there was an appeal by his legal team stating that

637
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:28.199
he did not receive a fair trial, and they cited

638
00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:30.960
an insane amount of reasons for this, but the biggest

639
00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:34.079
one being that he should have been declared not fit

640
00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:38.760
to send trial from the beginning. Oh and there had

641
00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:44.880
been profound evidence even before he was imprisoned and evaluated

642
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:48.800
by psychiatrists there that he was not mentally stable, that

643
00:39:48.880 --> 00:39:54.440
he had like, you know, a lot of issues even before. Also,

644
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:57.800
the prosecution lawyer kept bringing up nine to eleven for

645
00:39:57.880 --> 00:40:02.360
no reason, unwarranted and then like you know, the other

646
00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:05.400
the judge like jury has to dismiss this, but like

647
00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:10.719
did they really, right? Right? Yeah? On top of that,

648
00:40:11.119 --> 00:40:12.679
there were well, there was a lot of reasons, but

649
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:17.000
those were the main two and so and also they

650
00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:19.960
claimed that like the prosecution shouldn't even have been allowed

651
00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:23.800
to mention the possibility of sexual assault because there was zero,

652
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:30.280
absolutely zero evidence that showed that like anywhere. But so

653
00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:32.639
that's what the they said when they filed the appeal.

654
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:38.000
But in twenty eighteen, the Supreme Court ruled that despite

655
00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:43.559
John Golbril's history of bizarre behavior, his trial judge wasn't

656
00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:47.360
required to hold a mental competency hearing, and there was

657
00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:52.000
zero evidence that showed that John Goldbril had a serious

658
00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:56.159
mental impairment according to when they made this ruling, so

659
00:40:56.199 --> 00:41:02.360
they upheld the death the death penalty sentence. Who do

660
00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:07.039
you have the breakdown of the judges? I can? I can?

661
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:09.360
I want to know who the Chief Justice was during

662
00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:13.239
this time, just wondering, Yeah, let me see, because it

663
00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:17.880
like he really did seem like, you know, he didn't

664
00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:21.239
know what was going on. I think there is definitely

665
00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:25.639
an argument for yeah, him, even if he hadn't been

666
00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:30.280
found to be mentally incompetent to sound trial or unfit,

667
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:33.519
whatever the wording is, I think there's definitely an argument

668
00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:37.440
to have a ruling for that to be assessed for that,

669
00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:44.159
you know, right, Supreme Court of California is the Oh okay,

670
00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:47.719
it's not the Supreme Court. Okay, yeah, no, no, I'm

671
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:49.480
glad that you wanted me to check though, because then

672
00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:53.440
now we for sure no Supreme Court of California. Yeah, yeah,

673
00:41:53.480 --> 00:41:58.440
and I have the public defender but see public defenders,

674
00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:08.039
Oh my god, what Kamala de Harris, oh attorney general? Yeah,

675
00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:14.920
interesting mm hmm. But who the hell was I don't

676
00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:18.400
see the judge name anywhere. It's fine, but yeah, I

677
00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:21.400
don't know his status currently. I guess he's in death

678
00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:27.880
row somewhere in California. Wow. But yeah, that was the

679
00:42:27.880 --> 00:42:30.679
the case of Juan Delgado. I mean, a super like

680
00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:35.960
tragic case that like in so many ways absolutely could

681
00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:40.599
have been prevented. Like one we don't obviously, we don't

682
00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:44.320
know why John Gobriel didn't continue working with his church

683
00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:46.519
and just staying over there because it seemed like he

684
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:49.559
had supported there. But you know, if he had that

685
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:53.519
and he stayed there and he just wouldn't have been

686
00:42:53.559 --> 00:42:58.039
in the habbor. Yeah, if he had support and help,

687
00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:01.000
you know, he wouldn't have been out on the street.

688
00:43:01.400 --> 00:43:06.480
We treated, you know, whatever he had going on. Yeah,

689
00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:09.440
I don't know, and then like real help like because

690
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:15.480
apparently you know, not like electroshock therapy. Yeah. But yeah,

691
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:19.519
it's just an overall such a sad, sad case. And

692
00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:23.639
I do think it's worth Sorry, I don't want to

693
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:24.840
cut you off for you no go aheading out. I

694
00:43:24.840 --> 00:43:27.159
was gonna say anything else. I know you already mentioned it,

695
00:43:27.159 --> 00:43:32.599
but I think it's worth repeating that just because John

696
00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:37.119
Gobriel had some kind of mental illness and wasn't housed

697
00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:40.519
doesn't mean those are the reasons that he was violent.

698
00:43:41.440 --> 00:43:45.760
And in general, people that are unhoused and have mental

699
00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:52.119
illnesses are more commonly victims of violent crimes rather than

700
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:57.400
perpetrators of violent crimes. And again, if people had the

701
00:43:57.440 --> 00:44:00.920
support that they needed or that they need, maybe things

702
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:04.760
like this wouldn't happen. And if people weren't exposed to

703
00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:11.760
violence as children or in the military, you know, things

704
00:44:11.800 --> 00:44:15.639
like this also wouldn't happen. Yeah, Yeah, I'm a sad,

705
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:18.880
sad case. You know, a young kid who had a

706
00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:22.000
lot of potential, could have lived a full life in

707
00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:25.519
the end and just you know, wrong and always. But

708
00:44:26.199 --> 00:44:28.639
I also wanted to bring this up because you know,

709
00:44:28.679 --> 00:44:30.960
there's always like when you share a case like this,

710
00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:33.880
there's always so many comments that are like, oh, this monster,

711
00:44:34.119 --> 00:44:40.159
Oh this predator, and it's like, I don't know, throughout

712
00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:45.480
comments like that, when one it wasn't ever physically proven

713
00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:49.000
that he was out here assaulting, like, yes he did

714
00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:51.800
stab his cousin, and yes he did kill Juan deado.

715
00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:58.119
But when you start throwing around like predator and it's

716
00:44:58.199 --> 00:44:59.920
it just I feel like it lends itself to start

717
00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:03.519
like I don't know, randomly throwing up, Well, that reminds

718
00:45:03.639 --> 00:45:06.960
me of the conversation I think we started having, or

719
00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:09.079
we kind of mentioned it. I think it was during

720
00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:10.559
the episode I remember. I don't think it was a

721
00:45:10.599 --> 00:45:15.239
spooky tells And for anyone that's not familiar, a episode

722
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:18.519
is what we do over on the Patreon for our

723
00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:21.119
history podcast he Study as Unknown, where we just yap

724
00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:25.360
about things. And I think, is that when I had

725
00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:29.639
told you about these videos I had seen about the

726
00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:35.639
pipeline the true crime content to right wing slash Altright,

727
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:39.440
Yes you did say that pipeline. And I do think

728
00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:45.480
that a story like this could lend itself. I think,

729
00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:49.239
justly lend itself, but find a different term or a

730
00:45:49.239 --> 00:45:53.639
different phrase. It's already now, it's part of me. A

731
00:45:53.679 --> 00:45:58.639
story like this could people could then believe like, oh,

732
00:45:58.840 --> 00:46:04.559
homeless people areus Egyptian brown people are dangerous? Are all

733
00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:07.119
children are prone? At all? Times to be kidnapped off

734
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:09.679
the street. Oh, my children are going to be kidnapped

735
00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:11.440
off the street. Oh I'm going to be kidnapped from

736
00:46:11.440 --> 00:46:14.719
a target parking lot. I need to watch out and

737
00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:18.079
be vigilant of everybody, when in reality, like these things

738
00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:21.679
are rare. They're so rare, and there's no need to

739
00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:24.679
be afraid of your neighbors, that of everybody. Not everyone

740
00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:28.159
is out here to harm you. The police will not

741
00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:33.039
protect you, right. So also there's a danger of listening

742
00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:35.679
to true crime and then thinking, oh, we need more

743
00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:38.440
cops out on the street so they get their prevent

744
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:42.079
crimes and whatever. Again a reminder that the police doesn't

745
00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:49.400
stop crimes. They respond to crimes barely sometimes and incompetently.

746
00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:55.079
In fact, they commit crimes. And they're the biggest gang

747
00:46:55.119 --> 00:46:59.760
in the United States. Yes, and that was another reason

748
00:46:59.840 --> 00:47:02.159
I wanted to bring up this case because of all

749
00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:06.280
the comments that were just like but in demonizing the

750
00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:11.400
perpetrator and calling him names and saying things like that,

751
00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:13.760
I think that the threat gets lost a little where

752
00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:19.079
Juan Delgado lost his life and parents lost their children,

753
00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:23.079
siblings lost their brother, and that's you know, that's the

754
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:26.760
part that you know, that mattered, and I hope that.

755
00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:30.679
I don't know if his found members are still like alive.

756
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:33.559
It happened a while ago. I mean his siblings probably are,

757
00:47:33.639 --> 00:47:36.639
but like, yeah, you know, it would have been nice

758
00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:40.039
that the community maybe hopefully came together and helped them

759
00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:42.960
get past this. And but I don't know because I'm

760
00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:45.639
not from there, But that's what I'd rather have people

761
00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:47.599
get out of this. Not to sound like I don't

762
00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:50.440
want to make a sound like we're defending you know,

763
00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:53.639
the person who did this that obviously that's wrong. There's

764
00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:56.480
no denying it was wrong with we did. But I

765
00:47:56.559 --> 00:48:00.760
always want to point out like ways that were wrong

766
00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:04.960
in the trial he was given, like the continuous bringing

767
00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:10.199
up of nine to eleven, like come on right right, yeah,

768
00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:13.760
and you know you can find more information on him

769
00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:16.239
than you can of wind the battle, like as if

770
00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:20.480
I was difficult. Only the case with these what is

771
00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:26.920
the word not popular but sensationalized yea cases. Yeah, definitely

772
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:29.800
the victims get lost in the sauce. There's probably a

773
00:48:29.800 --> 00:48:32.639
bit of way of seen that, but but it's true. Yeah,

774
00:48:32.679 --> 00:48:35.440
and sorry, I want to mention one more thing again.

775
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:36.760
And it's like you said, I don't want to make

776
00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:38.800
it seem like I'm defending this person, but I do

777
00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:45.480
think that everyone that's right. Oh no, what a controversial

778
00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:51.239
thing to say. There should be no death penalty. And anyway,

779
00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:59.079
you had mentioned that John was sawt and granted asylum.

780
00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:03.280
And and I think that hearing a story like this

781
00:49:03.639 --> 00:49:06.000
could also someone could twist this and be like, oh,

782
00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:08.880
you're seeing what people that come into our countries so

783
00:49:08.920 --> 00:49:11.800
you can assign them then they go on to commit crimes.

784
00:49:12.039 --> 00:49:18.119
Me so I can also see you know, bringing this up, yeah,

785
00:49:18.280 --> 00:49:21.599
to then argue against anybody seeking asylum, you know, and

786
00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:28.760
obviously anybody can commit a crime, you know, yeah, yeah,

787
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:33.119
and again one person who did this. Yeah, but when

788
00:49:33.159 --> 00:49:36.079
it's a person of color, and you know, some people

789
00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:38.000
are like Egyptians are white, but here in the United

790
00:49:38.039 --> 00:49:42.719
States they are a racialized identity. I think Egyptians are white.

791
00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:45.599
Some people say that, Yeah, I don't know that, just

792
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:51.800
like they think some people would say we're white. Oh

793
00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:55.159
you know what I mean. So yeah, so in that sense,

794
00:49:55.199 --> 00:49:59.920
like Egyptians are racialized identity here, and whenever a person

795
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:05.119
of color or a black person commits a crime, then

796
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:12.079
people will say this one person represents their whole ethnicity

797
00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:16.119
or nationality when that's not the case, Like there are

798
00:50:16.280 --> 00:50:19.840
people out there that for whatever reason commit crimes, commit

799
00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:23.239
violent crimes, and that doesn't speak on all of Egyptian

800
00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:27.239
people or on all of asylum seekers, Like that's just ridiculous.

801
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:30.159
Come on, Yeah, unless that person that commits a crime

802
00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:33.559
is a cop, then yes, then place all of them.

803
00:50:33.599 --> 00:50:38.159
I don't give same with border patrol, same with right,

804
00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:41.840
because they we're talking about like a you know, institutional

805
00:50:42.920 --> 00:50:50.639
power organization that is given basically free will to hurt civilians.

806
00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:54.559
So yeah, that's yeah, a little bit different. But yeah,

807
00:50:55.760 --> 00:51:02.360
but yeah, yeah that was the case if you stuck

808
00:51:02.519 --> 00:51:05.000
till this part. This is where we take a little

809
00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:13.159
break again and then come back with spooky recommendations and

810
00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:17.679
we're back. Do you have spooky recommendations? Actually, don't have

811
00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:22.800
any recommendations, Oh my gosh, any recommendations. I was just

812
00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:27.039
focusing on trying to finish the audiobook that I was

813
00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:31.719
listening to. I mentioned it again on an episode what

814
00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:37.440
audiobook The Kingdom, The Power and the Glory American Evangelicals

815
00:51:37.480 --> 00:51:41.880
in Age of Extremism by Tim Alberta. Oh right, right,

816
00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:46.000
and you finished it? Yes, I did. Finish it. I

817
00:51:46.039 --> 00:51:48.519
do think it's an important book. I think it's a

818
00:51:48.559 --> 00:51:51.760
more I feel like it's more targeted at people that

819
00:51:51.960 --> 00:51:58.800
are still evangelicals, because not hashtag, not all evangelicals, but

820
00:52:01.039 --> 00:52:04.559
it's definitely targeted more towards people that are so evangelicals.

821
00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:08.920
But I think it's important if you are into books

822
00:52:08.920 --> 00:52:14.920
that are informing us on the crisis of Christian nationalism

823
00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:21.679
that we are experiencing. We are being subjucated. Two yeah,

824
00:52:21.679 --> 00:52:25.480
because you know here in the book, Tim talks about

825
00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:28.840
people that are evangelicals and are Christians that are fighting

826
00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:37.239
against the radicalization, extremism and Christian nationalism essentially. So I

827
00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:39.800
think it's important at least for me to remember that

828
00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:45.599
there are evangelicals that are not Christian nationalists and that

829
00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:49.159
don't think that the United States has been blessed by

830
00:52:49.159 --> 00:52:54.400
God and should be under Christian rule. It was an

831
00:52:54.400 --> 00:52:59.280
important reminder for me, and I learned, not all hashtag,

832
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:02.719
not all the imagelic goals. I learned And I don't

833
00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:05.840
remember her name, but I learned that there's this woman

834
00:53:06.079 --> 00:53:09.679
who I believe she was a journalist or a lawyer,

835
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:14.679
I don't remember anymore, but she basically was one of

836
00:53:14.679 --> 00:53:20.519
the leading like people that disclosed sexual abuse from one

837
00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:22.960
of these big evangelical churches. I don't remember. I was

838
00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:28.400
like Christian Baptist something maybe so othern Baptists something like that.

839
00:53:29.599 --> 00:53:32.760
And then she ended up leading like a task force

840
00:53:33.480 --> 00:53:36.000
and then the christ the church was fighting against her

841
00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:37.679
to try to kick her out. But she led a

842
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:40.440
task force to fight against the church and to making

843
00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:46.360
you like guidelines and regulations of UH members and children

844
00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:50.320
in the church disclosing abuse. And she was also I'm

845
00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:53.760
I'm remembering right, she was also involved and one of

846
00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:59.400
the victims of the doctor from the Olympics. Oh, I've

847
00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:01.920
heard about her, Yes, I know who you're talking about now,

848
00:54:02.920 --> 00:54:07.199
the Lasser guy or Nasa. I think she was one

849
00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:10.119
of his victims. And she spoke out in his trial

850
00:54:10.320 --> 00:54:14.280
and in her and her testimony it wasn't a testimony,

851
00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:19.280
was a victim impact statement. She mentioned her religion because

852
00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:20.920
it's so important to her. But I don't know, it's

853
00:54:20.960 --> 00:54:24.639
such a beautiful, powerful world and I words I mean

854
00:54:25.079 --> 00:54:28.679
and what I think the true Christianity should be about,

855
00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:31.079
you know. And there's also other things in like scripture

856
00:54:31.119 --> 00:54:33.199
that Tim brings up because he is a son of

857
00:54:33.239 --> 00:54:38.400
a pastor, and he saw his church that his dad

858
00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:41.239
established and he grew up in, he saw it become

859
00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:47.039
radicalized into extremism. After his dad died and he went

860
00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:51.280
to his dad's service and he had this whole eulogy

861
00:54:51.320 --> 00:54:53.360
prepared and in staid he was like, I can't believe

862
00:54:53.360 --> 00:54:58.519
you guys are basically like voting for Trump when he

863
00:54:58.639 --> 00:55:02.519
is the antithesis of like a Christian man, you know,

864
00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:05.960
which is true. But they don't care. And he outlines

865
00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:08.920
in his book why they don't care. And again Jesus

866
00:55:08.920 --> 00:55:11.400
and John Wayne does the same, right, right, So it's

867
00:55:11.440 --> 00:55:13.320
like to me, like these books, I feel like go

868
00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:16.320
hand in hand. There's like at least three others on

869
00:55:16.400 --> 00:55:19.280
my tbr that I want to read the same. So, yeah,

870
00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:21.760
that's what I was finishing and listening to, and I

871
00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:25.280
recommend it. It's not spooky in the paranormal sense, spooky

872
00:55:25.320 --> 00:55:33.599
in the real life sense, which is looks okay scarier. Yeah.

873
00:55:33.719 --> 00:55:36.760
I have not watched anything spooky. I have been obsessed

874
00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:40.639
with and or I finished season one already, I'm on

875
00:55:40.719 --> 00:55:44.320
season two. I have made it my walking time on

876
00:55:44.360 --> 00:55:46.079
my treadmill is the only time I can watch it.

877
00:55:46.119 --> 00:55:49.000
So now I walk more. Yeah, so I've been walking

878
00:55:49.000 --> 00:55:53.000
two miles, two or five miles every day. Wow. And

879
00:55:53.039 --> 00:55:55.599
that's when I watch an episode and I'm like, oh

880
00:55:55.639 --> 00:55:59.039
my god, what an amazing show. I honestly was like

881
00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:01.960
obsessed with Star Wars for a little bit and then

882
00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:07.559
I kind of just like lost fell off. Yeah, after

883
00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:11.559
the new movies came out, and then like some of

884
00:56:11.559 --> 00:56:13.719
the new shows, I'm like, I don't know how I

885
00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:16.639
feel about these, but and or I'm like I'm obsessed.

886
00:56:16.719 --> 00:56:20.000
I'm completely obsessed, obsessed. It's so good. I could go

887
00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:26.079
on and on about how it's like the Thrid posted

888
00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:29.639
I mean, the message, but it's always been the same

889
00:56:29.639 --> 00:56:36.360
message about you know, rebellion and standing up to fascism,

890
00:56:36.920 --> 00:56:41.280
and so it's wild the literal empire, Yeah, it was

891
00:56:41.320 --> 00:56:45.000
based on the US and the Viacong is the rebellion,

892
00:56:45.960 --> 00:56:50.159
like you know, that's been established. Yeah, and still there's

893
00:56:50.199 --> 00:56:52.199
these people out here that are like, the Empires did

894
00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:54.480
nothing wrong. And honestly, these are probably the same people

895
00:56:54.519 --> 00:56:59.400
wearing shirts that say Pinochet did nothing wrong. Also, like

896
00:56:59.480 --> 00:57:03.559
I mean Trump literally used AI to make himself look

897
00:57:03.679 --> 00:57:09.239
like a sith lord, like please, Like so I mean

898
00:57:09.400 --> 00:57:11.639
it's like insane that people are like, oh, I don't

899
00:57:11.639 --> 00:57:14.840
want polytics in my shows, when like from its inception,

900
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:18.920
that's what Star Wars was. Every good show and movie

901
00:57:19.400 --> 00:57:27.519
and like franchise, almost everything is political, right right, So yeah,

902
00:57:27.679 --> 00:57:30.440
that's what I've been watching. I have been watching anything

903
00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:37.079
horror related. So yeah, I am reading Unworthy because I

904
00:57:37.119 --> 00:57:40.800
listened The Unworthy. I mean because I that is audio book. Yes,

905
00:57:41.519 --> 00:57:44.920
we're basically done because we both finished it. Only I'm

906
00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:48.400
kind of like rereading the book because I bought it before.

907
00:57:48.760 --> 00:57:51.719
I ordered it before it was released, right, and then

908
00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:54.280
the day that it was released, and that's when they

909
00:57:54.280 --> 00:57:58.559
shipped the pre orders, you know, it became available on

910
00:57:58.719 --> 00:58:03.960
Libby and I'll like, yes immediately, and that's why I

911
00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:07.840
had listened to it before I read it, right, Yes,

912
00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:10.880
And I will be sending out discussion questions on The Unworthy.

913
00:58:11.000 --> 00:58:14.400
We will record that after Carmen's done reading rereading it,

914
00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:16.320
but I want to send the the discussion questions ahead

915
00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:18.400
of time in case anyone wants to fill them out. Yeah.

916
00:58:18.440 --> 00:58:21.079
Other than that, stay a spookye, we'll catch every one

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next time. My My As Book Tells is hosted by

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Christina and Carmen, produced and edited by Christina, researched by

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Christina Carmen and with the help of Don Shout out

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with Don. If you're enjoying the podcast considerably, going to

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say five star review, we would really appreciate it. If

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you don't want to the professtar review, just don't leave

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a review. But don't leave anything lower than that, please,

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at a spooktos at gmail dot com. You can go

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to our website at bookitos dot com and fill out

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the contact form. If you want to support the podcast,

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have bonus episodes. Eight dollar members get an exclusive keychain.

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It's super cool. I got you ones and these ones

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are huge. And if you want to support but you

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can or don't want to join the Patreon, that's fine too.

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You can also get some merch you can find sure

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Say Say Spooky and old English letters. There's a beanie.

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I love the beanie. There's also a hat. There's a

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no Mamus shirt which is a fan favorite. There's a

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lot of options, crap tops, sweaters. It's almost swetter weather.

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We're nearing a Spookie season, So yeah, get your hoodies,

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you're gonna need them. If you don't want to do

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all that, that's fine too. You can just listen like

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you're listening now, and that's the best support that you

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can give us, like I always say in our ad

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break and yeah, if you like history, you can follow

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a Spooky taels on all of our socials at Spooky

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Tells All. This is in the show notes and we

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appreciate every single listen. Thank you so much. Stay as

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Spooky