The Armero Tragedy with Carmen of Historias Unknown

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Hi everyone, This is Christina and
Carmen. Yes, no MJ. Today

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we have our lovely unofficial official guest
co host Carmen with us. That's me.

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By us, I mean me,
I don't know why I said us.

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This Spooky Tees. Yeah, the
Collective of the Spooky Toes. Yeah,

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yeah, this is the Spooky Tales, the podcast for all things as

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spooky and apparently where we trigger people's
ADHD. Well, that's not surprising.

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Yeah. Someone left a three star
review and I was like, WHOA three

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is pretty good, honestly, Like
I mean it's not a two. Yeah,

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Like I would say, it's like
a C and ces degrees. Not

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me because I don't have one.
But yeah, you have one high school.

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I guess that's a diploma, not
a degree. Yeah, there,

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you don't have one. You're right, I was right, yeah, yeah,

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sorry, it's okay. Yeah.
Someone left the three star review that

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they like had been this for a
year and like that they tried to give

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us a chance, but we have
like too many side quests for a whole

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year. I'm like, that's a
long time. Girl. I would have

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given up way before. I would
give up like two episodes or something.

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If that same so thank you for
drying for so long. That means a

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lot, and I'm sorry, sorry, we can be better for you.

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I'm just I am who I am
anyway, I just needed to get that

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out of my chest. Today I'm
telling you cartmen about a very tragic,

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tragic event in Colombia. Oh yeah, I'm going to be telling you about

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the metal tragedy, the what happened
in at Metro Columbia nineteen eighty five.

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Did that sound familiar at all to
you? No? Okay, okay,

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very tragic event. Also, I'm
sorry I still sound very sick. I'm

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better, but somehow ever, since
I got COVID, my my illnesses last

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like a month and a half or
something. Wow, I'm sure you've noticed

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I have. Yeah, So before
we get into that, though, I

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do have a listener's story, and
if you have a story that I want

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to send into the podcast, please
do. You can email a spookyitos at

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gmail dot com. You can DM
it on socials. This was sent in

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via Instagram. That's always an option, although I do prefer email. I

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will add because it's easier to keep
talk of what I've read, even though

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I'm also not good at that.
Wow. Don't judge me, Carman.

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Okay anyway. This was sent in
in via Instagram titled my brother saw Alechussa.

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Growing up, we lived in the
country outside of Austin. It was

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pretty solitary out there. We had
a neighbor that was a little wayte from

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home. My mom was in Mexico, so at the time it was only

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my brother and my dad at home. My brother smoked cigarettes and was either

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too lazy or too scared to walk
out to the front door. One night,

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he opened the window and put a
chair outside to use as a step.

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It was around eleven pm. He
said he was outside smoking when he

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heard a whistle come from the direction
of the neighbor's house. He dan at

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the nevi He continued smoking when out
of the corner of his eye he saw

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something fly to the backyard and whistled
loud. The thing flew over the house

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and sat directly fun of him on
the power line. He said it was

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huge. It looked five feet tall
and weighed down the power line. He

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took another drag of a cigarette before
thinking it's time to go inside. All

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right, I like how he got
one more? Yeah? Right? Try?

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Yeah? Necessary, very necessary,
as he started to climb into the

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window. The litusa whistled, and
he closed the window. It flew by

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again whistling. He was scared and
later told my mom when she returned from

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her trip. She said the litusa
was there because he was up to no

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good. Of course, leave it
to a Mexican mom to be like,

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well that's what you get, mm
hmm, I would expect nothing less,

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Yeah, exactly. The listeners ended
this by saying, that's all Colorine Colorado

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a s Sequento Sacavallo and I'm like, oh my god, I haven't heard

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that in so long. Love it. And then she said my grandparents would

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say that growing up. Love your
podcast, Yes, thank you for setting

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that in. Also love the way
that you entered your story. Also,

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yeah, the lituca was probably there
because it was outside smoky. Yeah,

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yeah, no other reason. I
can't believe it was five feet. They

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say she's huge. There's only one
Letusa. Sometimes they say it's one,

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and sometimes it's like a bunch of
which is that, turt Oh, it's

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because you said they said she's huge, And I was like, well,

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because there's like the main legend and
the main legend that Letusa is huge.

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But then people also say that Brukha
has shaped shift into normal looking owls that

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are small and they're also let usas
mm hmm. Okay, yeah, I

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think, but this was the main
one. If she was five feet tall,

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I think she was the main one. Yeah. Look at her traveling.

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She does, she gets around.
They all do, they all do.

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Can you get better? Please?
I don't know how. Sorry,

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there's a lot of poses in between. It's hard to tell because of the

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editing. But I've been drinking I
pause, like ten seconds, drinking water.

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Just yeah, because my throat has
been like two weeks. I'm over

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it. I'm over it, as
are we. Yeah. Someone told me

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to take vitamin D and zinc every
day. Oh I heard that helps shorten

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colds. Okay, well I gotta
start doing that. I gotta do something

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because I'm dying every other month and
I hate it. Yeah. Oh,

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I also forgot to say, but
you can also call r Spooky Hotline and

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leave your scary story there, or
you can record a voice note and email

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it. Those are options too.
Yeah, send in your stories now onto

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today's topic, lee a mental tragedy. Actually, before I start talking about

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the topic, you're not on TikTok
much. But I don't know if this

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has made it over to Instagram yet, but there's a sound going around TikTok

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that's been stuck in my head.
Someone goes cut chow and then she starts

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singing Lagua la lupa. I have
not seen that. Oh my god,

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that's just been stuck in my head
ever since I saw it like two days

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ago. It's still good. The
original person is like this Mexican girl.

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Someone asks her, like where she's
from, and she's like that on this

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soy, that on this soy,
and she like wraps herself around a blanket

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or a robe or something. She
says, catchoo and start singing Lagua lap

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and she turns around and hearing my
days on the back of her like cloak

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or whatever. She be gone.
And then people took that as a sound

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and now they're just like it.
It stuck in my head. I needed

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to get that out of my system
before we talk about this very depressing story.

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Oh man, yeah, it's terrible. After I came here for spookiness,

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what is this? No, I
came for fake spookiness, not for

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tragedies. So we can just end
this now. And I'm leaving good one

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can't you cannot. Sometimes they're in
the speakiness lies, tragedy rides at me.

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Fine, Fine, I think once
I start talking about it, you're

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going to recognize this natural disaster is
what it is. Okay, a natural

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disaster that occurred in Columbia. And
now they say that the town that it

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happened in is hunted, which I
had not heard. Okay, So yes,

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the admittal tragedy, that's what we're
I'm going to be telling you about

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today. On November thirteenth, nineteen
eighty five, the town of Admetro,

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Columbia and Columbia as a country changed
forever. An event known today as latrach

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at Metro or at metal tragedy took
place. And this is when the Nevado

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del Ruiz volcano erupted. The volcano
is eighty miles from the capital of Columbia.

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Yes, so it's part The volcano
is part of the Andes Mountain Range.

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I'm I'm sure everyone's heard of the
Andes. Yes, there's another four

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closed volcanoes nearby. And we're going
to take a trip to ninth grade earth

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science right now or whatever we first
learned about volcanoes I don't remember when that

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was. I can't tell you.
I have it cemented in that it was

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like ninth grade, because that's when
we said torment, poor mysterious. I'm

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sorry. Yes, you're out there. I hope you went on to have

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a great teaching career. Anyway.
The volcano that erupted in Columbia causing this

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tragedy, it is part of the
Pacific Ring of Fire, and this is

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a region of the Pacific Ocean that
includes some of the world's most active volcanoes.

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The volcano Nevado de Ruiz is a
strato volcano. Do you know what

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that means? Carmen strato, Yeah, strato volcano. I've definitely heard that

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before. I remember what that means. No, okay, it means it's

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cone shaped. Really, that's gonna
be the still for the YouTube. The

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people are gonna start to get the
part of the illuminati or something. No,

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that's like this. Yes, it
means it's cone shaped, and that

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it's made up of layers of hardened
lava and volcano eruption stuff. To keep

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it dumbed down for me and me
and yeah, both of us. The

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first eruptions of the volcano took place
one point eight million years ago, and

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since then it's gone through another eleven
eruption stages, which sounds like too many?

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Who went too many? To me, I was gonna say, it

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doesn't sound like that much. I
don't know. Every time a volcano is

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like erupting, I'm like, oh, that reminds me. On Twitter lately

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there's been a Mount Saint Helen's has, you know, appear by my house.

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Not super close, but there's only
two hours away. Yeah, two

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hours away about okay. They have
a Twitter page where they're like so unhinged.

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They're like, oh, I'm getting
ready to explode when the volcano,

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Oh my god, what a volcano
has like activity? And then in Mexico

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is also having some like activity and
they like quote tweet it and they're like,

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oh Mexico's joining us, Like what
the fuck? So yeah, unhinged

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volcano Twitter pages are pretty fin to
follow. So yeah, to me,

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I mean, like one explosion is
already like why are you doing this to

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us? So this volcano usually only
has two type of eruptions, a volcanoan

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eruption and then a plinion. Is
that what I wrote? Plinion? Yeah?

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I just didn't sound like a real
word to me. Again, I'm

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dumb. Anyway, we're not science
people, no, of course not.

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And I did write down what those
were because I didn't know. A volcanoan

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eruption is a dense cloud of ash
and stuff exploding from the crater rising above

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the peak. And a plinion eruption
is also, you know, similar,

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but it's marked by columns of volcanic
debris and hot gases ejected high into the

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stratosphere. So they just like they
look taller. Maybe I don't know.

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I'm not an expert. Hmm,
Okay, I don't know what that means.

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I mean, I know what a
stratosphere is. That's like the second

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layer of atmosphere that I remember.
That's where I know that word from.

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Yeah, stratosphere atmosphere. Anyway,
short eruptions of these kinds, of these

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types can end in less than a
day, but there's like longer eruptions that

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go on for several days or even
months months. Yeah, and those two

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type of eruptions can cause something called
a lahars. I don't know if I'm

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saying that right, and if I
say that wrong this entire episode, I'm

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sorry again, I didn't look it
up and I'm not a scientist, but

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it's spelled la ha r s And
this is a type of mud and debris

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flow that happens because of the eruptions, Like you know, the eruptions happen,

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they melt things up top and then
like everything flows down. But what

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makes this volcano even more deadly is
that it's snow capped, so like it's

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ice at the top has snow,
and so these eruptions can be so bad

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that it melts that snow and that's
like tons of snow, right, Oh,

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okay, And that's what happened here. The flow melts the ice or

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snow, and then it adds water
to the lahars, and then the volume

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and speed of the lava that's coming
down is faster and more because of the

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melted snow. And this is exactly
what happened on November thirteenth, nineteen eighty

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five in Admeto, Columbia, four
lahars formed and they came down thirty miles

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per hour onto the nearby towns oh
Man. The towns of Armeto and Chinchina

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were the most affected because they were
closest to the volcano, with Admeto being

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the worst off of those two.
The town of Admeto had a population of

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twenty nine thousand at the time.
More than twenty thousand died when the volcano

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erupted. How much twenty thousand and
they had a population of twenty nine thousands.

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Oh man, So nine thousand people
survived. Yeah wow, that's like

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almost the whole town for most of
them. Yeah yeah wow. And then

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for doing that. If none of
that sounds familiar, like you still don't

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recognize this tragic natural disaster. I'm
almost sure that everyone or almost everyone,

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has come across the very famous picture
of a girl who passed away in Amero,

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and I'm gonna describe it, but
I'm also going to send you the

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picture. It's very jarring. It's
a very impactful picture. So a little

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girl, she's in the water slash
debris and it's basically her waist up that's

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visible, and she looks like she's
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black does that sound familiar? I
don't think so. Wow. Okay,

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let me send you the picture.
I'm almost sure that you've seen it.

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I would be really surprised if you
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you seen it? No, you
have not seen that picture before. No,

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I'm surprised. I guess if somehow
you like end up in some like

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fucked up sub reddits or like,
I don't know, stuff like that,

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then you have come across the picture. Unless you're a better person like Carmen.

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I mean, I guess I'm just
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had seen the picture before, and
I'll put it in the video on YouTube.

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but I think I'll share it in
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so that it's not the first one, because it's it's jarring, it's

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disturbing, and she's passed away already
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away. Yeah, like her last
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that little girl in the picture is
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twenty eighth, nineteen seventy two and
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two days after it had been on
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the neighborhood of Santand with her parents
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and then Maria Aleva, along with
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Maria Adela Garson. They all lived
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erupted, she and her family were
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sleep because they heard it happening.
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say, the afternoon when it first
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and worse, and by eleven PM
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I have the timeline written down later. So they were awake and worried.

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They could see ashfall from the eruption
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looking when suddenly they heard roaring from
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went through their house, destroying it. And when this happened, Amaida became

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trapped under the concrete of the house. Oh my god, and she could

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not free herself for the first few
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she was completely trapped under the rubble, but rescuers saw her hands sticking out.

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so they spent the day clearing tiles
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to be free, rescuers tried pulling
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good, like, okay, we
moved all the stuff, let's pull her

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up. Right when they tried pulling
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Also, the water would pull around
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time they pulled there was more water. Oh wow, And then if they

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let go, she was more submerged. Then they couldn't let go because if

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they let go of her, she
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pulling around her. But they were
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and we can't hold her forever like
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around her so that she could stay
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but she was still stuck. They
couldn't get her out. Divers finally

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were able to go and check what
she was stuck on, and they learned

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that her legs were stuck underneath a
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this is terrible. Her aunts,
her tias arms were around her legs and

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her obviously her had passed away in
that position. Oh, oh my god,

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truly dreadful. And then the way
that her knees were or her legs

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were stuck, it was like in
a kneeling position. Her knees were,

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you know, bent back behind her, like she was kneeling, and the

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door was over her legs, and
then her aunt was underneath that, griving

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onto her legs. Oh my god, truly truly dreadful. Doctors were worrying

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that in pulling her up they would
break both her legs. But also they

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thought maybe we can amputate her legs
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didn't have any equipment to even try
that or to treat her because like it

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could cause infections amputating someone underwater.
Like they're like, how would we even

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do that, We've never done this, Like there's just no way. Yeah,

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they didn't have the equipment, so
there was no way to get her

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out. They could do like nothing
but watch her die, which is it

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is terrible. After sixty hours stuck
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gangreen or hypothermia. Oh my god, that's so horrible. It is it

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is such a horrible way to go. It sounds so painful. But while

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she was trapped, she was so
optimistic. She was singing, She sang

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to a journalist, she asked for
candy, she asked for soda, she

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laughed, she prayed. On moments, obviously she was scared and cried as

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well, but everyone was shocked by
her spirit. But by the end she

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began to hallucinate, telling others she
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I almost cried when I saw that, just because one, I'm a little

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bitch and I cry for everything.
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I mean, she was a child, you know, and that's like such

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a little kid thing to just I
feel like crying right now, I know,

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I feel like crying. Oh it's
such an innocent yeah, hallucination slash

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thaw. Like in her last moment, she's like, oh, I didn't

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want to be late because like,
oh, it was just stirbye and so

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sad. And then she also was
worried about a math test. Again,

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just such innocent thoughts in the end, like math test late for school,

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yeah, and then she also asked
rescue workers, journalists, volunteers like everyone

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to leave her so that they could
rest, because nobody wanted to leave her

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side like they wanted to be with
her, and she was like, no,

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you guys need to rest. Like
even in her last moment, she

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was thinking about others, like it's
just so, it's so sad. And

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then by the end, like in
the last moments, her eyes were red

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then black as you see in the
picture, her face was swollen, her

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hands had whitened, like they could
tell she was going. And then on

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November fifteenth, teen eighty five,
a French reporter, Frank Fournier, landed

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in Bogota. He then traveled to
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the sixteenth, so like La Maldrugada
on the sixteenth. Yeah. As he

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arrived, he noticed the town was
so quiet. He in his own words,

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he says, it was very counting, and there was an eerie silence

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broken only by screams, oh my
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know if you ever came across.
And this is like a I'm sorry,

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this is a side quest or whatever, But there was this video going around

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Twitter. One of the many nights
that Gaza was bombed. It was one

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of the first nights that electricity everything
was shut off. And the next day

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video surfaced and you can see nothing
but like orange in the distance and then

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just like this piercing, wailing earth
guttural scream, and I I just think

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that that's probably what it sounded like. And God, that's like stayed in

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my brain even like talking about it
now, it's like crying. It was

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so that was so painful, so
horrifying. Let me go on before I

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started crying. As he was arriving
into Admittle, a farmer pointed out where

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Omaiya Sanchez was. That's when he
went over there and he took that hunting

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image that we have. I'll seen
now because I showed it to you and

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I'm going to share it on our
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I feel ify about it. And
so he states that he took the

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photograph feeling that he could only report
properly on the courage and the suffering and

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the dignity of this little girl,
and in his attempt to polemicize the disasters

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need for relief efforts. Yeah,
I have said this already, but like,

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I want to note that I feel
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I see what he's saying. Yeah, but it is disturbing, honestly.

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Yeah. Yeah. So some people
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was just looking to exploit the situation. That's almost what it feels like to

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me. But like, I get
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There was nothing. She was stuck. Colombian didn't prepare for this properly.

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to get her out. Maybe if they

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would have had the resources to get
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the situation in the first place,
and maybe sharing the image of her last

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moment would horrify the government into preparing
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don't know if that's where his mind
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going to make money off this picture, right, because this is a white

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man, like a French white man. Yeah, which is why I feel

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more like, if you about it, like if maybe if a Native had

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taken the picture, I would feel
better about it. But I look at

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it and I'm like, it just
feels wrong to have photographed this girl's last

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moments like this like an invasion of
privacy. Almost, yeah, which is

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also why I almost don't want to
share it. But it's widely searchable now

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it's a very very well known picture. He did respond to the criticism.

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Oh, also, I was going
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did survive this tragedy, this disaster, and I would hope that he had

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asked permission and maybe compensated them for
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I mean, that would be a
step in the right direction. Do we

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know how they feel about the picture
at all or know? I could not

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find that information. I was looking
to see if he either gave them some

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money, or if he asked for
informassion, or how they feel about it,

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and I could not find anything except
that her mom did say she was

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distraw obviously this is her daughter,
but that she has to keep on living

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for her son, the only living
family member of this tragedy. He lost

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a finger, but alive, you
know, and so she's like, I

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had to keep living for him.
I did find that, but I couldn't

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find anything else about the picture except
his thoughts. When he was called a

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vulture for taking the picture, he
responded with, I felt the story was

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important for me to report, and
I was happier that there was some reaction.

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It would have been worse if people
had not cared about it. I

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believe the photo helped raise money from
around the world and aid and helped highlight

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the irresponsibility and lack of courage of
the country's leaders. So like, at

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the same time, I can see
that yeah, but again, I mean

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I I really said it like it
it feels icky, Yeah, but she

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did. She became the face of
the tragedy and many were already blaming the

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government for it, and her story
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I I kind of alreadys said this, but this is a quote from a

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newspaper at the time, at gempost
Enable the newspaper in Colombia, and so

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translated it's Colombia. Half the world
remained with the better sensation that Olmaida Sanchez

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could have been able to continue living
after remaining for almost sixty hours trapped from

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head to toe amidst the rubble of
at middle. Her face, her words,

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and her courage, which streamed throughout
the world on television and were a

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heartbreaking image in the largest newspapers and
magazines of the United States and Europe remained

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a testimony of accusation against those who
could have the very least made the tragedy

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less serious. That that sentiment of
like blaming the government is not far fetched

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at all. There is a reason
for it. Since nineteen eighty four,

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geologists, geologists like plural beg got
noticing seismic activity at the volcano. Since

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wh I'm sorry, nineteen eighty four, the year before, the year before,

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Yeah, a month before the tragedy. In October, scientists published a

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report on the volcano for government officials, and their report stated that the risk

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of a Lahars happening was unusually high, and they also included simple techniques in

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their reports to prepare for a Lahars
event. This report was ignored. Oh

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my god, so yeah. And
then on top of that, also in

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October, there was a hazard map
that was finalized at the end of October,

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far too late. A hazard map
was finalized, but the map never

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reached the people that needed to evacuate
the most, the people closest to the

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volcano. That map that was supposed
to show them like this is where lava

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is going to flow through, and
whoever's in these zones needs to go.

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And they never got that map.
Wow. Many survivors told reporters like,

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they never knew this map exist there, They never saw it, they never

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received it, So they didn't know
this was going to happen. They had

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like no warning, even though the
scientists or whatever they were told the government

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with time and plenty of time in
advance. Yes, precisely. And then

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so that map that they never saw, that only some people saw, but

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not the people that needed to see
it. It came far too late,

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and it also wasn't accurate. On
top of that, it made the hazard

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zone seem smaller than it was.
And the map, you know, as

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maps tend to do, had various
colors, but there was no key to

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tell people what was what. Oh
my god. So even if they would

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have gotten in time, they wouldn't
have understood it or would have made sense

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exactly. Yeah. And then the
map also placed ad middle, the town

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with the most casualties, in the
green zone the save zone. So it

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was wrong. Yeah, and I'm
laughing at the audacity, not at the

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snow, of course. Insane.
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just three pm, the area was
announced to be evacuated. Upper upper

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ups in the government of Colombia told
people in Atberle, like the government of

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Arberl, the mayor or whatever,
that they needed to evacuate. But those

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local officials, instead of telling people
they needed to evacuate, told people to

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stay in side and stay calm.
Wow. And then around seven pm the

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Red Cross of Golobiak again told local
officials of Admero that they needed to evacuate,

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but the message was not It didn't
go past that like it stayed with

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the locals. Again local officials,
my bad. They didn't pass on the

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message. They again repeated for people
to stay inside and stay calm the mayor

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of Admero. People later told reporters
that the mayor told them he didn't think

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it was going to be that big
of a deal, that there was no

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danger. Wow. At some point
during the night, electricity and communications were

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cut off completely because there was like
a storm at the same time, I

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guess. And then at eleven thirty
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A huge streaman water swept through Admero, and then the two other lahars followed,

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which further destroyed the city, the
town and the whole like eruption,

405
00:28:06.920 --> 00:28:10.839
Lahars coming down. All that lasted
two boy five hours, my god.

406
00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:17.480
Buildings collapsed, crushing people in their
paths, causing debris to rain down,

407
00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:19.000
Like got on top of that,
because that's like the other danger, like

408
00:28:19.279 --> 00:28:23.240
not the waters themselves, but then
as buildings start falling, things start falling,

409
00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:29.400
yeah, from said buildings, those
that were in the lahars path directly.

410
00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:34.160
The Lahar came down with boulders and
cobbles from the volcano itself, so

411
00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:38.200
it would have crushed anyone in its
path. Whenever the Lahars slowed down,

412
00:28:38.319 --> 00:28:44.920
it was still it still contained sharp
stones that would have caused lacerations. Oh

413
00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:48.799
wow. Anyone that was in the
Lahar's path would have either been crushed,

414
00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:52.599
would have been cut by all those
sharp stones. Mud would have moved into

415
00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:57.279
any open body parts, wounds,
ears, ies, mouths like horrendous,

416
00:28:57.319 --> 00:29:02.200
horrendous, Oh my god, that's
horrible. Yeah. And so the pressure

417
00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:07.559
of that mud is so fast that
it almost immediately causes traumatic asphyxia, so

418
00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:11.640
immediately choking U huh, choke or
drum I think it's like yeah, yeah,

419
00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:15.440
save me the same yeah, and
it would happen, That would happen

420
00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:18.359
in one to two minutes. Oh
my god, it was that fast.

421
00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:23.440
And this was the second or is
the second deadliest volcanic disaster of the twentieth

422
00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:29.960
century, the nineteen oh two eruption
of Mount palat that's the first, and

423
00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:37.000
it's the fourth deadliest volcanic eruption since
the fifteen hundreds, wow, which is

424
00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:42.640
like insane. Yeah, and the
deadliest lacre of all time apparently. And

425
00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:48.200
then Colombia's worst natural disaster to date
at Meto. The town itself was never

426
00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:52.920
rebuilt after the tragedy. It became
a ghost town whatever remained of it.

427
00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:59.880
Papa ju No, Pope John Paul
the Second flew over a metal when the

428
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:03.759
happened, and then he went to
refugee camps and he declared the site a

429
00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:08.119
holy land. And like Columbia,
like a lot of Latin America, is

430
00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:14.480
largely Catholic. That's probably why he
felt compelled to go. And because the

431
00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:18.519
people they didn't receive a proper burial, which is a big deal. Oh

432
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:22.119
yeah, in like religious settings,
which is just it's still heartbreaking, and

433
00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:25.000
I'm like, I'm sorry to keep
bringing this up, but it's just heartbreaking

434
00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:27.119
to think about, even more so
in the context of like, what's happening

435
00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:32.640
in Gaza? Yeah, I mean, because this was a natural disaster and

436
00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:37.319
what's happening right now in Gaza is
a genocide. So and I laugh because

437
00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:41.440
people are refusing to see that the
audacity. Yeah, yes, yeah,

438
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:45.559
yeah, and mag mass Graves is
what ends up happening. But these people

439
00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:49.039
were like not even buried at all
because it was just all crushed by the

440
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:52.279
hars or you know. Yeah,
and you know, like I said,

441
00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:56.279
it's a ghost town. And of
course the ghost town is said to be

442
00:30:56.319 --> 00:31:00.279
haunted, which I didn't know.
And I knew about the tragedy and all

443
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:03.039
that, but I didn't hear stories
of it being haunted before. So it's

444
00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:07.759
allegedly, you know, people that
have been there have heard disembodied lamentations,

445
00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:12.920
disembodied screams, especially in what remains
of the first floor of the hospital.

446
00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:18.799
People that have been there and experience
paranormal activity in the area, they don't

447
00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:22.359
like none of them said that these
ghosts are like trying to scare them on

448
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:26.960
purpose. It's just like people crying
for a proper funeral, which would like

449
00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:30.400
allow them to you know, have
closure. In the VN. Yeah,

450
00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:34.799
and there's a story that a person
was traveling and they made us stop in

451
00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:38.759
that middle for some reason out of
pure curiosity apparently. And he took pictures

452
00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:42.400
while he was there with the cell
phone, and there was a house in

453
00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:47.720
ruins that read had a sign that
said tribute. A few days later,

454
00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:52.119
he looked at the picture again and
there was a image of a man underneath

455
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:56.160
the arch of the entrance of the
house, and his nose and mouth are

456
00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:59.240
like covered with some kind of scarf. He believes it's one of the people

457
00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:01.960
that died a metal that showed up
in its picture. I feel like this

458
00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:06.240
episode has gone on. I sound
more congested and I'm sorry. Yeah.

459
00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:10.319
In April of this year, twenty
twenty three, there was a TikToker that

460
00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:14.680
went to a medal, and so
the TikToker that went over to ad medal

461
00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:19.920
is Paulina. But she went over
there to do a vlog and during her

462
00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:22.359
time there, she kept hearing noises
while she was walking around, like strange

463
00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:27.759
noises that did it sound humid?
Wow. Apparently she heard at some point

464
00:32:27.880 --> 00:32:32.799
like the voice of a little girl
go SIPs. Oh my god, I

465
00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:36.279
don't like it. I don't like
it at all. Yeah, she's walking

466
00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:39.759
by a building and and it's like
obviously in ruins and as she walks by,

467
00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:45.680
you can hear in the video pips. Obviously this could be like easily

468
00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:50.880
easily doctor or added in. But
yeah, her friends recording these cimps,

469
00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:55.279
but her reaction seems genuine. She
seems truly scared. Do you want to

470
00:32:55.319 --> 00:33:00.279
see it? I'll send it to
you. Yeah, came mortally Na just

471
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:27.359
MOI prospera e s Estadiana the or
the plata a shadow christmasssster America. She

472
00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:34.799
hears it, I didn't hear.
She replay it on mb okay good economic

473
00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:55.279
one instances a Ki friends must Estagian
complete and ico. Okay. I think

474
00:33:58.519 --> 00:34:01.400
she said that she heard that something
fell inside that little building. Oh,

475
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:05.480
that's what it is. But then
later she says, I sounded like someone

476
00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:08.960
and that's when she heard. Oh, and she walks away like fast from

477
00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:13.119
it. Yeah, I mean she's
clearly startled. I don't know, I

478
00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:15.639
don't know she is startled. Yeah, but yeah, I will put that

479
00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:20.840
in the episode as well to see
if anyone else can like hear, because

480
00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:23.400
I don't think we hear it.
I don't think it's like the is visible.

481
00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:25.840
I think she just says she heard
it. Yeah, yeah, but

482
00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:31.840
yeah, that is I wanted to
find more paranormal experiences in the town,

483
00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:37.079
but I think just even finding that
people hear things, and this specific one

484
00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:40.360
was like, I'm surprised that I've
even found that. So yeah, yeah,

485
00:34:40.519 --> 00:34:45.760
that was the tragedy of our middle
That was awful. Truly, all

486
00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:50.760
of it was tremendous. Yeah,
and I'm sorry to put you and everyone

487
00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:52.119
through it. But you know what, We're gonna be all right. You

488
00:34:52.159 --> 00:35:02.119
know why because there's worse things happening. Oh no, because we have lubera.

489
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:08.760
I aren't see any with the right
tone. It's it's lubera. Know

490
00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:13.559
that I was missing the clap.
Yeah, you have to clap to really

491
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:17.400
get the feel of it. M
Yeah, that's why I writ no thing's

492
00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:30.239
so terrible. Yeah. But but
before we go, do you have any

493
00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:34.960
spooky recommendations? I do. Actually, I just finished a horror book,

494
00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:38.400
The Queen of the Cicadas, And
thank you for telling me how to pronounce

495
00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:42.800
that word in English, because when
I was reading the title, I was

496
00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:50.159
saying cica lasas. Yeah. Yeah, they're not in Spanish either, no,

497
00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:52.000
so ras yes, yeah, I
was about to look it up.

498
00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:57.840
It's a book by vcast show,
who did a book club episode on the

499
00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:00.639
Haunting of Alejandra, and I read
another book of hers also, Damn,

500
00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:04.719
you're like knocking books out. What's
going on? Well, I read the

501
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:07.920
one I'm just gonna mention right now, like earlier in the year. Oh,

502
00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:10.159
what was that one called? Damn, I don't remember what it's called.

503
00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:13.920
I don't remember. I do mention
it. I think in one of

504
00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:15.599
them, you have to say it. I have a hold on. Let

505
00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:20.480
me see. It's the one was
like the Goddess of oh, Goddess of

506
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:22.840
Filth. Yes, okay, yeah, yeah, that's what it's called.

507
00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:27.920
So I really like her horror books
because they're like really fast paced and the

508
00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:31.800
spookiness starts like almost right away,
and I don't mind it. But they're

509
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:39.199
very similar where it's like a mythical
like Aztec type spirit oh or god or

510
00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:46.519
goddess that is from and it's like
the goddess is from like another universe or

511
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:52.400
world, right right, It's like
all of the three books have that in

512
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:54.800
common. It's like she found her
thing and she just yeah, I'm like,

513
00:36:54.840 --> 00:37:00.000
she found her niche and like stuck
to it, but they're still different

514
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:02.880
enough or it's like it's not the
same. But I really liked it.

515
00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:07.119
I have been wanting to read those
they're on our lists to read, but

516
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:09.440
we just take so long to read
that I'd reread it. Oh my god.

517
00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:12.559
But you know what I was thinking, because I don't read a lot

518
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:15.679
of like smutty books. Oh were
you like? It was fine. It

519
00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:20.880
didn't make me like uncomfor Royan.
It just reminded me though, of your

520
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:24.039
episode that's so fucking hilarious that I
re listened to when I need to pick

521
00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:29.320
me up shout out lady, Oh
my god, Like I think that's our

522
00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:32.800
most listened to episode now. That
shit is so funny. It's because everybody

523
00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:36.760
who listened to it, it's like
probably real listening to it because it was

524
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:39.920
just it's so funny. Yeah,
oh my god. I honestly I read

525
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:44.480
it, but I only like,
I didn't pay attention and it was like,

526
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:46.519
oh, it's just a story.
It's a little creepy. But to

527
00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:50.000
me when I first read it,
I was like, I mean, it's

528
00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:52.920
a little weird, this funniness.
But but then once I was reading it

529
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:54.079
aloud, I was like, oh
my god, I didn't realize how this

530
00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:59.519
muddy it was, Yeah, but
only that that was cheesy, smutty,

531
00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:02.880
and in the book it's not che
normal, like it's normal yeah, because

532
00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:07.440
I mean I've read other books and
then they, you know, they're like

533
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:10.559
like the story you shared where they
describe things like super like what the fuck?

534
00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:16.000
Like no one talks like this,
Yeah, people keep mentioning, and

535
00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:19.719
I think it was all over book
talk. It was what is her name,

536
00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:22.880
Sarah, Sarah J. Moss is
in like her book, it's a

537
00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:27.480
quart of thorn and roses. It's
like a series. I don't know that

538
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:31.480
is it's like a fairy. I'm
saying it's all wrong because I read the

539
00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:35.800
first two and then it couldn't get
past that. You read the first two

540
00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:37.400
books in the series. I read
the first one and then I started the

541
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:42.000
second one. Oh, and then
I stopped the second one because it was

542
00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:45.800
just ridiculous to me. But so
many people love it. It's it's like

543
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:47.480
they were like, oh, it's
so sebmody, blah blah blah. And

544
00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:52.320
it's just the way she the way
she describes it, like his throbbing member,

545
00:38:52.440 --> 00:39:04.719
and you're like, oh my god, velvet rot oh my god,

546
00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:09.239
it's like that, my god.
Yeah, so when it's too much,

547
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:14.440
when it's like ridiculous, they're not
like, yeah I had saved. I

548
00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:16.880
don't think about it, but I
don't remember how to where it was.

549
00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:21.039
Oh so there's a little bit of
that in the book. If that's not

550
00:39:21.079 --> 00:39:23.440
your thing, you probably won't like
it. It was fine, though it

551
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:28.400
wasn't as bad as it could be. Yeah, it's just repetitive, like

552
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:30.199
those same words. But yeah,
there was this thing that was like a

553
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:32.880
comment that I found on Reddit that
someone was like, if it's your first

554
00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:37.360
SJM book, then you'll find it. Like the spicy scenes are like good,

555
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:39.360
but then once you start reading the
series, you realize how repetitive they

556
00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:44.280
are. She uses velvet wrap steel
a lot, and like thunder and lightning

557
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:50.159
velvet clothe rod. Oh my god. Okay, so then there's a I

558
00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:53.199
don't remember which book it is,
but she she describes Amember as a steal

559
00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:58.440
encased in silk. Wow. Oh
man, just yeah, it was like

560
00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:01.360
it's repetitive. So I was just
like this is And also I felt like

561
00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:06.719
the main girl was like the typical, like manic pixel like other girls.

562
00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:08.039
Oh not like other girls. I
don't know. They're the same thing.

563
00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:14.239
Actually, no, they're different where
it's like, oh, I'm so ugly

564
00:40:14.360 --> 00:40:17.360
and all my sisters are better than
me. Oh but why do these ferry

565
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:21.880
men all love me? Why are
they obsessed with me? That's not like

566
00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:24.239
other girls? Okay, okay,
yeah, it was like that. It

567
00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:27.039
was like that. I don't know. I think it's better. I mean,

568
00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:30.000
if it's your thing, that's good. I hope that you enjoy her

569
00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:31.360
books because she has a lot.
She has a lot. So, but

570
00:40:31.480 --> 00:40:39.079
that's why I couldn't get past it
anyway. I don't think I have any

571
00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:44.079
Oh no, I don't think so. I haven't been I've just been listening

572
00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:47.000
to re listening to Midnight Burger.
Really, the only things I've been doing

573
00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:51.880
is listening to podcasts. I haven't
even been watching anything. And then on

574
00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:53.880
top of that, the only podcast
that I've been listening to is Midnight Burger.

575
00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:58.320
I finished in the season three finale
just came out. And then aside

576
00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:00.440
from that, I've been binging the
part guests that we talked about carmon geo

577
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:06.079
what is it called geopolitical? Oh
yeah, geopolitical economy. Yeah, and

578
00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:09.960
then the other one Empire files.
So yeah, I haven't. I haven't

579
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:15.719
been consuming anything spooky at all.
But I will again repeat my same recommendation

580
00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:19.199
as last time, because I feel
like more people should listen to it,

581
00:41:19.239 --> 00:41:23.039
but horror story specifically, look for
episodes I've worked on. The most recent

582
00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:27.360
one is the Heaven's Gate one that
I worked on. I listened to that

583
00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:31.239
already. Oh good good. And
then my favorite one though is probably uh,

584
00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:34.440
I don't even know. I really
liked it what I did on the

585
00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:37.800
Signal, And I say I did
when I really I wrote it and like

586
00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:43.239
researched Edwin records and edits and like
does the sound design for them, but

587
00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:47.400
signal broadcast intrusions. I think it's
called it's like when people, Yeah that

588
00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:51.679
one was fun, that was that
one was a fun one. But but

589
00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:53.119
yeah, I mean people should check
that out. But yeah, that's that's

590
00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:57.039
my recommendation. I think anything else
to add before we go? Do you

591
00:41:57.079 --> 00:42:00.280
have anything to plug? Oh?
Iltill say no, I don't, so,

592
00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:06.400
but yeah I do. If you
like Latin American history that you wish

593
00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:09.119
you learned about in school, or
you know, just topics like that that

594
00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:15.400
are overlooked and not known about,
then you can check out the Studios Unknown

595
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:19.800
with me and Christina, and that's
why it's called these Studios Unknown. Yes,

596
00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:23.440
and then if you're into novellas,
we also have a novella rewatch podcast,

597
00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:29.480
Novacito, and sometimes we talked about
like pop culture celebrity stuff, so

598
00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:34.119
that's fun and our she's Maken Gazito
segments. Yeah, yes, yeah,

599
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:37.480
yes, and thanks Carmen for filling
in today for MJ. She's not feeling

600
00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:45.519
well, so let's send her well
wishes, warmest regards, sanat bitch.

601
00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:49.519
Yeah yeah, let's send her all
that. And they have one more thing

602
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:52.039
to plug, and that is for
everyone to visit Seasfired Today dot com and

603
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:55.320
do what you can. Yes,
yes, yes, yes, and yes,

604
00:42:55.360 --> 00:43:00.599
thanks for listening. And I don't
know, don't smoke outside after eleven

605
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:04.280
PM because the LITERUSU is gonna get
you. Yes, thanks spooking you.

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We'll catch everyone next time. Bye
bye. Spooky Tales is hosted by Christina

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and MJ, produced and edited by
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Christina MJ and with the help of
Don Shout Out Don. Thank you so

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much for your help. If you
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a five star review. If you
don't, then do not leave us anything

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please. If you want short spooky
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Taels. You can also find some
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that is at Spooky Taels. Everything
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you want bonus episodes, stickers,
exclusive stickers, might I add, then

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consider joining our patreon. Go over
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There are over at least fifteen bonus
episodes right now, and we do at

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least one a month, sometimes two, depending on how we are feeling.

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If you want to support the part
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to, that's fine, join the
patreon they consider getting some merch. We

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have an adorable beanie that I love. I absolutely adore it. It's so

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comfy, it's warm, it has
a spooky in Old English letters. There's

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also a baseball hat in the same
way as spooky and Old English letters,

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and that's what I wear in the
summers. They're both awesome hats. And

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there's other things in there, like
the no Mama's shirts, which is a

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very popular shirt. If you like
history, check out my other podcast,

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Estodia is Unknown, hosted with the
unofficial official guest co host of A Spooky

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Teals, Carmen, And if you
like no velast, checkout Novelasko Gofizito,

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which Carmen and I also host together. And yeah, we love every single

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listen every single a spooky Thank you
so much, stay as spooky