Dec. 13, 2024

South American Cryptids and the Case of Marcelo Lucero

South American Cryptids and the Case of Marcelo Lucero

On November 8, 2008, two worlds clashed in Patchogue, Long Island. A group of teens from an all American town attacked two undocumented Ecuadorian men. 

Cristina shares the case of Marcelo Lucero and Carmen talks about el Tigre Dantero and the...

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On November 8, 2008, two worlds clashed in Patchogue, Long Island. A group of teens from an all American town attacked two undocumented Ecuadorian men.

Cristina shares the case of Marcelo Lucero and Carmen talks about el Tigre Dantero and the Ucumar, two South American Cryptids.

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Hi, this is Christina and Carmen. And this is another

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episode of a Spooky Towns, a podcast for all things

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as spooky true crime Latin America. And oh, I was like,

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you're like getting worse at these intros. I don't know what.

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I didn't think that was that bad. Maybe it's just

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me right now, I don't know. I think you has

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been a bitch right now. Just because I told you

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to hurry up doesn't mean I'm being a bitch. You're right,

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it was not your best intro. Okay, you're right, you're right.

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Let me redo it. No, make you more upset. Your

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eye shadow looks cute. Thanks. I wanted to be on

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theme for Christmas. I love it. What does your Christmas

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water say? It says the struggle is real? And then

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it has Santa like that's you right now. He's like

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stuck and the fireplace. Yeah, I'm stuck in the metaphoric

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fireplace of hell. You are? Yeah? Mine is just Darth Vader. Nice. Yeah, Okay,

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well today we have some cryptids yeah, and some that

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we've never heard of. When I thought we had them all,

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I'm like, of course we didn't. There's always more, of

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course not. Yeah, yeah, and I have a very infuriating

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depressent case. Ohn. Yeah. But first before all that, we

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have a listeners story and if you want to send

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a story to us, you can email Espakitas at gmail

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dot com. You can DM us on any of our socials,

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you can submit it on Discord, you can call the

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espoogy hotline. All of that is in the show notes.

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We love receiving your story, so please send them in.

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All right, are you ready to read this one? Yeah?

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So this is from the discord from alo Vera. I

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was around seven years old. I don't remember much of

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my childhood, but this is one of my most vivid memories.

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I was having a sleepover at my cousin's house, nothing

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new at that time. My aunt helped my mom a

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lot with babysitting and whatnot. The apartment complex they lived

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in at the time is owned by my grandpa, so

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I've always had family live in it and would spend

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a lot of time there as a kid. I remember

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going asleep one night and woke up sometime in the

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middle of the night, and it was that kind of

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state where you're half asleep, half awake. I started seeing

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it will look like black smoke coming out of the closet.

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I thought that was weird, so I blinked, and after

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it quickly started moving towards me. That's when I rubbed

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my eyes, and when I opened them, the black smoke

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had turned into the shape of a little girl. Oh no,

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for a second, she stood in front of the closet

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entrance and then started moving her way towards me. I

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didn't see her feet moving. Instead, I saw her floating.

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Her apparition was also glitching or moving in slow motion.

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I remember it all felt very slow. When she got

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close enough to me, a wave of fear overcame me

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and I shut my eyes to avoid seeing her up close.

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When I opened my eyes, she was gone. Years later,

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another aunt moved in there. She's been there for fifteen

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years now and has shared many paranormal experiences with us.

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Apparently a little girl haunts the apartment and is frequently

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heard and seen. Knowing this since shows down my spine.

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But at least I know I wasn't crazy when I

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saw her. That is so creepy, But also, yeah, that's

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like validation that you weren't crazy. You did see a

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little girl. Like, it's not just you, it's the whole family. Also,

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tell your aunt to send us her stories. Yeah please,

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wow that Yeah, that's that was creepy. Thank you so

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much for setting that in. Do you want to start? Yeah,

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let's get into these cryptids. So first up, we have

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a dire dan deo. Soo was first spotted in nineteen

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eighty one by an indigenous hunter named Ditson Sosa, who

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belonged to the Beemon tribe native to Venezuela. Theo is

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described as a cryptid cat with long things, maroon fur,

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large claws, and said to look like an extinct sabertooth tiger.

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The cryptid is known to be timid and mostly survives

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off eating danta, which is why the locals named it

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El Dio. It's like an ant eater. It says to pyrus,

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to pirris, to pirrus. Yeah, that's what it says. According

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to Sosa, he spotted the cryptid during the dry season

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in nineteen ninety one while on a three day hunting

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trip up the Carau River in Venezuela. Sos That claims

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the large cat was long thinged. The short tailed, unpatterned

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cat the size of a jaguar and emerged from a

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thicket to drink from a pool of water. The animal

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appeared stealthily and vanished cautiously. People who Sosa spoke to

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about his sighting were intrigued by what he saw and

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were determined to figure out what he saw. So one

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individual showed Sosa a photo of a samelodon, which is

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a sabertooth tiger, which Sosa said look like the animal

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he saw, which is impossible since that species of a

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tiger is extinct and last from the Earth about ten

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thousand years ago. Another sighting also happened just before nineteen

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ninety six, but it's unclear if it was an Ecuador

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or Columbia. The person who spotted the large cat like

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cryptid was a French traveler named Piquet. I feel like

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it's probably pronounced different, but I don't know Piquette, Piquet, Piquet.

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It's spelled p i c q u e t cut

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piquet anyway, Piquette who told? Peter? Who told? Peter Mathison,

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an American novelist, wilderness writer, and one time CIA agent.

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He told Peter that he spotted a large cat with

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large things and roaming the wilderness for a minute. Peter

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believed that perhaps Piquett might have spotted a prehistoric animal

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that has been instinct for several years, but then came

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to the conclusion that Piquett most likely confused a large

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creature with another animal. Cryptozoologists Gustavo Sanchez Rometo also heard

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similar stories from locals when he visited Venezuela's Kanaima National Park.

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Ometo passed on what he heard to fame the British

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zoologists and cryptozologist Carl Schucker, who was wary about believing

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the story he was told since he also knew that

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cybertooth tigers have long been extinct. According to Sugar, the

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only or chikar I don't know, remember what I said

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last time? Anyway, According to the Sky, the only way

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this type of animal could survive in South America is

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if perhaps it was a smaller version of the prehistoric

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animal that might be living in the remote mountains and

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cloudy areas of South America where they can come camouflage

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with its surroundings, which might be possible. In twenty seventeen,

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a resident of Madre de Diosperu named David Anahill told

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explorer Bill Gibbons that a large brown sabertooth cat was

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known to exist in the northern and central forests. You know,

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this could be encrypted, or this could be a scentant

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of a long time extinct sabertooth tiger. So yeah, and

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there's so much that we don't know. Yeah, like one

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hundred percent could be uh, I mean how many stories

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are there of like indigenous people seeing don't know what

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is it called? Like for some indigenous groups in like

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the North America region have stories like oral traditional stories

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that they have passed on of living with some not

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like you know, the dinosaurs dinosaurs, but some sort of dinosaur.

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And for the longest time, scientists were like, that's not possible.

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Humans and dinosaurs did not co exist. And then like

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two ish years ago, there was evidence that there was

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some indigenous groups that did coexist with some some sort

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of dinosaurs. Basically, oh really, yeah, wow, I never heard

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that new piece of science. Yeah. I came across it

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on TikTok Oh And it's real because I remember seeing

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indigenous creators were like, see, our people have said these

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stories forever, and now here's this scientific, scientific study that

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says this. So it's like, it's not that far fetched

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to me that there's a distant relative of a savor toooth. Yep,

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there and people are seeing it, but they don't know

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what they're seeing. So like this the cryptid interesting. Interesting.

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So our next cryptid is uku Mad. Have you heard

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of it? No? Okay? So eluku Mad is a giant

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humanoid cryptid known for terrorizing northern Argentina and Chile terrorist okay.

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The locals have nicknamed the cryptid uku Mad after its

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howls that allegedly sound like the creature is screaming. Ooh,

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I don't know, okay, I don't know how to say it.

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Please ooh ooh ooh, I don't know. Maybe it's uh

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uho okay or ooh ooh ooh ooh. Sorry sorry people, Yeah,

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we're sorry. The bear like humanoid has been described as

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being around five feet seven inches tall. Okay, short king,

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Yeah to me, that's tall to us anyone any Yeah

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that's to everyone else that's short, but yeah okay. So yeah,

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the uku Mad is like five feet seven inches tall

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with thick hair, small eyes. Okay, I was like, wow,

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thick care okay, as I say, thick hair, big little

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beady eyes. Okay, No, I don't like it anymore. Yeah, No,

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huge arms and legs and it's a local plant known

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as bayo to survive okay vegetarian. The ucu mad was

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first sighted in nineteen fifty eight by a group of

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campers in it Angle, Chile. Actually I don't know if

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it's it Angkole or dangle, but there it was there, Chile.

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The campers told authorities that they saw would look like

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a half man, half ape in the wilderness. Surprisingly, the

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authorities took the report seriously and sent police to investigate

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the area. One why You witness named Carlos Manuel Soto

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told police that he had seen a large man covered

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in hair well in the Cordilleras. Prior to this iowaness account,

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geologists found seventeen inch long human like footprints on the

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Argentine side of the Andes and in Las Alta, Argentina,

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in both nineteen fifty six in nineteen fifty seven, So

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seventeen inch human like footprints. That's like obviously over a

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foot well yeah foot, yeah, yeah, pretty big, pretty big.

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After the findings, Dolor Grande locals began to tell newspaper

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reporters that eerie sounds could be heard from the Kuruguru

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Mountains on a nightly basis. These noises caused many sleepless

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nights for many residents who believe the sounds were coming

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from the Ukumar. In twenty twenty two, the Argentine newspaper

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A Tribuno Salta conducted an interview with a Ba Kiano,

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who lives and works the land in El gardin Argentina,

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which is a rural area in the province of Santa

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and here's told reporters. I heard something walking closer towards me,

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and then from the corner of my eye, I saw

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a dark figure step out from behind the bushes. When

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I turned around to stare at it, it was only

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five meters away from me, and well, to be honest,

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I didn't know what to do. All I did was

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step behind a tree and point my weapon at it.

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I was trying to decide if I should shoot or not,

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so I stood there with my weapon pointing at it

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for a little while, when suddenly the creature started to

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retreat at the very moment that I had my weapon

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pointed at it. I was not scared, but after the

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interaction I was a bit shaken up and felt like

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something continued to follow me. I couldn't get the creature's

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image out of my mind. So I turned back again

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and there it was, but this time about fifty meters away.

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I didn't want to risk interacting with it, so I

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kept walking. It looked like a large animal, and it

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looked similar to a monkey, but at the same time

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it also looked like a human. It also had a

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lot of black fur, and it had colored eyes. Some

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people love that, yeah, shockingly, Damos claims he saw the

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creature three more times after that. Oh my god, it

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was It liked him, yeah, I guess, so he wanted

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to be seen by him well. And he also claimed

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to see the female version of the creatures. So he

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saw two of them. Oh there's more than one. I

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thought it okay, there's a boy and a girl, and

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then they fell in love. According to Ramost, the female

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Gumar looked a bit similar dinner and had lighter colored fur.

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Damo said he and a few others also went in

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search of the creatures a few years later after the

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initial sighting, and came across what looked like the creatures

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home hidden in caves in the mountains. He was never

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aggressive towards me, but I heard from other locals that

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at times he has been aggressive towards them. One time,

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I was fishing with a friend when we saw what

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looked like a dog sitting on a rock and that

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we were approaching by the water. As we got closer

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to it and instead began to look like a lion

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or a bear to me. Then all of a sudden,

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it stood up and I realized it was the ukuma.

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I warned my friend so he could be cautious, but

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he got startled and scared the creature off, who ran

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up the hill. We thought the coast was clear, but

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then the creature threw a big rock at my friend

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from the top of the mountain. It moved really fast.

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I was not expecting that, and then almost also said,

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I'm convinced the creature only bothers those who bother it.

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But if you leave it alone, it'll leave you alone.

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That sounds right. I was gonna before you said it

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through the rock, I was gonna say, see, it's more

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scared of us than we are of it. And then

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it threw the rock, and I was like, never mind,

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but the friend startled it so kind of the friends

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started it. True. True, you're right, You're right. When asked

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if he's open to seeing the creature again, Ramos told

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a reporter that, unlike other times, he would like to

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bring a camera with him next time he goes looking

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for the Yukumaar so he could stamp a picture of

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it and prove to everyone that it's real. And somehow

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that camera is just going to fail. Oh yeah, but yeah,

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that's it. That's the Oh my god. I don't say

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the cryptids like crap, the crap like damn at least

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like what you're reading. I am, what's going on? Those

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are the cryptids from today. I just can't talk, apparently,

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I guess when I'm really tired, I can't talk. Yeah. Yeah,

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I'm more inclined to believe the first one than the kuman. Yeah.

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Sometimes it's people looking things are like some sort of

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monkey that we just don't know, like some sort of primate,

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you know. Yeah, I guess it could be. But honestly,

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I believe anything, So I believe in both of them.

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I don't want to run into them, that's for sure. Same. Okay, Well,

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we'll take a quick ad break here and then when

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we come back, we'll get into my depressing house case

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and we're back again. My case is infuriating and it

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does involve well, we'll just get into it. We'll just

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get Is there any mornings you want to give people? Well,

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someone's murdered. I'm sorry, but nothing more than that. I

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don't think just murder today, yeah, just murder. But it

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does involve the murder of an undocumented person by a citizen.

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I hate crime. Yeah, no, I'm just getting everything now.

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Wow wow wow wow, yeah all right, so man. Yes.

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On November eighth, two thousand and eight, two world clash,

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a group of white teens from an all American town,

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all American high school, all flag star football members or

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teams whatever, team players, that's the word. I'm looking for,

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football players, red flag, all American town, red flag. It's

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it's in Texas. No, actually, okay, okay, yeah right, that's

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the last thing we needed for the trifecta. These teens

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attack two undocumented men today. I'm Karina murder of Marcelo Lucero.

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Have you heard of this? I don't think so. I

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was shocked. Let me share how I came across this.

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First One night, I just couldn't sleep, and sometimes I

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start looking for whatever is available on Libby to start reading,

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and then I know I'm not going to find directed.

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Oh I do finish, yeah, but yeah, that's how I

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came across this book and how I learned about this kids,

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because I had no idea how this happened. So Marcello

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was born in Guaalaceo, a small town in Ecuador, and

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like so many others, he left to support his family.

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His father died when he was eight, and he became

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the main breadwinner of the family in right around middle school.

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That is so young, so young, yeah, and a very

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common story. This led him to leave his hometown at

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the age of twenty one to try and help his

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family more by heading to the USA. So Marcello left

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home on November two, nineteen ninety three, around eight am

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with one thousand dollars in his back pocket and two

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sets of clothing and a small backpack. That's what he

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took with him. His sisters and brothers all lined up

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to hug him goodbye. When he got to his mom

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to hug her goodbye, he lowered his head so she

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could give him mund On a blessing, and at first

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she didn't want him to go because that was her

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oldest boy. It was like they were literally attached at

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the hip. He would follow her all over the house,

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like when she was doing chores. He was literally like

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just right behind her, also doing chores actually, but just

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always with his mom. And so he had actually tried

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to make the trip once before, and he asked his

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mom for help to ask around if anyone would let

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him borrow money so he can save up the to leave,

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and she was like, no, no one's helping you, but

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that's because she didn't want him to leave. She didn't

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even ask anyone. But the second time, they really needed it,

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like they needed the money, and so his sister talked

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to his mom to help her convince her that he

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needed to go to the US. It's something that he

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wanted to do to help them. When he was leaving,

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everyone and including him, everyone was crying, Yeah, such a

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sad thing, Like I can't Yeah, it's not obviously not

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the same feeling, but I feel like whenever I leave Mexico,

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I am so sad to leave everyone. Yeah, and just

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imagine that meaning like ten times more like yeah, yeah, no,

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I was gonna say the same thing. So, after a

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very long journey, he arrived in the town of patchog

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Long Island, and so many have migrated from Gua Lasao

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to Patchog. That Gua Laso is now known as Little Patchog.

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Really that's interesting. It's so interesting to see where people

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from what towns, where they in what countries? Yeah, where

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they end up. A lot of Ecuadorians end up in

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the east coast, uh and that town specifically, it was

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like I forget of the like it was like a

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number of that year that I from the book, but

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it was like of these five thousand people that migrated,

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like four thousand ended up in Patchog, Like it was

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that specific that everybody just goes there, which is it

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was just wild. Yeah to see that. Then, yeah, he

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went there too. So he worked different low paying jobs

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over the years. Most of that money he did send

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back home because all of this was to help them.

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And so thanks to his money, his family was able

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to buy some land and build a three story house.

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And like in his childhood there were nice he had

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to go hungry because they had no food. Wow, they

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were so poor, and now they had a three story

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house like because of him. Amazing. Yeah, his mom, his sister,

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and nephew all lived there and he was so excited

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and to be able to do this for them. He

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had been working for so long and at age thirty seven,

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he was tired. He now wanted to go back home

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be more present in his nephew's life. He had just

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told his brother Rosselo that it was time for him

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to go back to their hometown, and Hosselo even said

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he would take them to their airport. He was planning

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on leaving just before Christmas as a present for his mom,

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like he was the Christmas present, and it's like that

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would have been beautiful, but unfortunately he never got to leave.

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He didn't get to No, I hate this world. Cry,

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I'm probably gonna cry. That's a point immigration starts, of

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people never getting to go back home. It's something that

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just like hugely affects both of us. Yeah yeah, yeah,

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so there might we might cry and I don't care,

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but yeah, Hoselo never got to give his brother that

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ride to the airport because, uh, November eight doesn't eight.

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Marcelo called his friend and Helocha, who side note had

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was also from Wassaleo and grew up with Marcelo. They

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knew each other since they were five, so he called

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him to go out that night and and Hell at

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first was like, I don't feel like it. But Marcelo

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signed lonely and like he anxious, he needed to be

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with someone and so and he agreed. And like I said,

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they were friends from childhood, they their moms were friends,

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and so he could tell his friend needed him that day.

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In the book it goes more into detail on their

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lives back in Ecuador and all that, but he could tell, yeah,

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that Marcello needed him. So the Para friends went to dinner.

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They had a few beers, they smoked, some wheed together,

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and then they parted ways. It was getting late and

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they knew it was dangerous for Latino men to be

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out past a certain time because during this time like

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a fun downtown is that they call them. So pretty

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much like very similar because from this year there was

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a spike of hate crimes on Latinos. Remind me of

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what year this is. It's a late ninety two thousand

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and eight, dude, that's like kind of recent, Like yeah,

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it's not high school during that time, Like yeah for

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it to be like I knew it was recent, but

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my mind, I hear that, my mind go to like

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the fifties, right, that's wild, Like it's not well, it's

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obviously it happens, but like it's just it's just I

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can't comprehend it. I guess because I because we grew

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up in Oakland, right and right, you know, it's such

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a diverse city. I guess you could say. I mean,

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like we said, didn't feel othered until I came to Modesto,

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and even then it's a very Mexican Yeah, yeah, but yeah,

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it's it's just odd to me. But yeah, they're having

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a spike in hate crimes towards Latinos, which a lot

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of a lot of it went unreported because they feared

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reporting it because of their undocumented status. What's going on

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around this time? It was youre like a like a spike,

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oh immigrant minutemen the oh right, I'm sorry again, I

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thought this was in the late nineties. We're talking this

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time period of anti immigration rhetoric rising. You're right, You're right.

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In my mind again, I was like in the nineties,

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but it was two thousand and eight, yeah, all to well,

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and certain someone from Arizona was making the rounds on

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the news during this time. Yeah. And also at the

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same time, people were more and more migrants were leaving

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the cities where they all you know, usually lived the

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big cities and heading towards these little towns like Patchog

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and so there was suddenly an increase in immigrants. And

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so then all these white people were like afraid because

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oh my god, look at these to them as Mexicans.

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Yeah yeah, And so there had been a bunch of

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attacks on Latino men and the surrounding small towns and

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that town. But more they they thought it happened more

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in like this bigger town that was next to them.

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So they were like aware, but they hadn't personally seen it.

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But and Hill was like, you know what, we shouldn't

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be out this late. What tech did you say or

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do do you not say? This is around? Say then yeah,

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we gotta go. And so they were walking to friend's

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house when they saw seventeens walking toward them. Seventeens yes, seven,

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I'm sorry because it sounds like seventeenagers right myself. Okay,

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that's why I said teenagers. Now, see adolescentis yes, seven

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youth seven street youth youths. Yeah. Yeah. So they were

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walking toward them and they looked like trouble right away,

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like they were up to no good. And next thing

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they knew Ankhela and Marcello were surrounded by these teens.

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They didn't know at the time, but these teens were

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Anthony Hartfold, Jordan Dash, Christopher Olverton, Nicholas Hajsh, Kevin Shea,

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Jeffrey Conroy, and Jose Pacheco. Jose, I hope you're in

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hell right now. No, because what are you doing there? Jose?

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He was a half Puerto Rican half black. Oh my god,

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I cannot. The rest of them are white. So all

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of them star athletes from the local high school. On paper,

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seemingly good, all American teens, right again, red flag, oh

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to me and you. Yeah. So three of the teens

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began to yell insults at Ankel and Marcello. They yelled

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things like fucking Mexicans, beanners, fucking illegals, you come to

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this country to take our money. You get out of

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this country. They're not even Mexican, but to them, they

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don't care. I know, Oh my god. And first of all,

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it's like take over, Like, bitch, you're seventeen, you don't work,

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you don't contribute to this. You're not supporting a family

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like they are, Like what are you doing? You play football? Yeah,

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you're just repeating that hateful rhetoric that you hear from

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the horrible adults in your life who are all pieces

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of shit, and they're raising little pieces of shits. Yeah,

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not to mention like you and I know this, but

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like there's some countless studies that have proven that immigrants

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are good for the economy. Yes, and even if they weren't,

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like stopping into the fucking hater no, even if though

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they are, Yeah, but but there are. But so yeah,

445
00:26:01.839 --> 00:26:04.160
they were yelling things like that, Marcello and I hell

446
00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:06.839
yelled back, and Marcello took off his jacket like he

447
00:26:06.920 --> 00:26:09.640
was getting ready to fight. That's when one of the teens,

448
00:26:09.839 --> 00:26:13.160
Kevin Shaya, punched him and then they all started to swing.

449
00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:16.200
After that, I kid was able to escape because their

450
00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:17.960
plan was not to fight back. They were like, let's

451
00:26:18.039 --> 00:26:20.920
just run, but Marcello was like, no, I'm fighting. He's

452
00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:24.880
sending it for himself. But just like hindsight, like but

453
00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:27.799
he don't know, he didn't expect no, you know, of

454
00:26:27.920 --> 00:26:30.160
course did on he'll expect to be none of them.

455
00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:33.799
But yeah, so I had like an heel, played a

456
00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:37.720
lot of basketball back in their little hometown of Guileo,

457
00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:41.119
and so he did this insanely high jump to get

458
00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:43.680
away from them. Wow, and like he like jumped, tucked

459
00:26:43.720 --> 00:26:46.480
and roll and hid behind like a house and he

460
00:26:46.599 --> 00:26:49.680
kept yelling for marcel to follow. But even if Marcello wanted,

461
00:26:49.720 --> 00:26:52.240
at that point he was surrounded, he couldn't get away. God.

462
00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:54.759
And you know if ann Hill would have stepped back

463
00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:57.559
in to defend or try to help, he would have

464
00:26:57.640 --> 00:27:01.440
been killed too. Yeah yeah, God, I just already have chisen.

465
00:27:01.519 --> 00:27:08.200
I'm already like so sad. Yeah. Yeah. Marcello was on

466
00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:10.960
the floor and the teens were all kicking him. Marcello

467
00:27:11.079 --> 00:27:13.319
tried to fight back, even on the floor, like he

468
00:27:13.480 --> 00:27:16.400
was like trying, Like this is so likeable, you know

469
00:27:16.440 --> 00:27:19.359
what I mean, Like I remember, I feel like I know,

470
00:27:19.599 --> 00:27:23.039
like jumping and stuff like that occurs obviously like everywhere,

471
00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:25.799
but I feel like one of the things that like

472
00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:28.279
and even when our dad like told us and taught

473
00:27:28.359 --> 00:27:31.039
us about fighting, right and like something I don't know

474
00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:34.400
like I feel and Okay, also like in Friday, right

475
00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:37.440
when I feel like you don't know where I'm going

476
00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:40.079
with this and I don't know where you're going with this,

477
00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:44.200
And in Friday when Ice Tube is about to shoot,

478
00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:46.400
what's his name, you know, the big tall guy, the

479
00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:49.240
villain of the movie got his name. Yes, yeah, and

480
00:27:49.400 --> 00:27:52.720
then yeah, I think so it sounds right. And then

481
00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:55.440
his dad as keep his dad is like no, like

482
00:27:55.559 --> 00:27:58.799
the gun is for cowards, like fight like a man,

483
00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:02.799
like fight right, and like the same thing like our

484
00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:05.640
dad told us, like like about fighting fair. And it's

485
00:28:05.720 --> 00:28:09.680
like this code I guess of the street that people

486
00:28:09.839 --> 00:28:13.039
used to follow somewhat I don't know. Yeah, it was

487
00:28:13.359 --> 00:28:16.599
to fight fair, yeah, fight fair. And in what Marcello

488
00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:22.039
was trying, he was following that, yes, yeah, that code. Yeah,

489
00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:29.200
but the Seventh Street youths hooligan, these wild hooligans who

490
00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:32.000
have no respect for people, who are hateful and discussing

491
00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:35.920
little ships and I don't know, are from the bourb

492
00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:43.920
some brutal, fucking hicktown sorry not sorry, and have no loyalty,

493
00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:47.680
no respect and no code. They didn't follow that, you

494
00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:49.960
know what I mean, And they say that weird, you know,

495
00:28:50.119 --> 00:28:53.720
the brown people are the savages, like no, yeah, oh yeah, okay,

496
00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:55.279
I was wondering where you were going with that. But

497
00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:59.559
now that that's there, yeah, it makes sense. Yeah. So yeah,

498
00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:02.200
this whole time he's trying to fight back at some

499
00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:05.039
point the teams back away from him. Marcello was able

500
00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:06.759
to stand up and he took off his belt and

501
00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:08.799
started swing it to try and defend himself with his

502
00:29:08.920 --> 00:29:11.359
belt buckle, like trying to just keep them away. And

503
00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:15.400
when he did this, Kevin Shaya, one of the teens,

504
00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:18.160
yelled for the rest of them to surround Marcelo, and

505
00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:20.680
as they were closing in on him, Marcello continued to

506
00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:23.759
swing his belt to try and get away, and his

507
00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:27.839
belt ended up hitting Jeffrey Conroy. This made Jeffrey Conroy

508
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:30.640
super mad, and he's like, he pulled out his knife

509
00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:36.160
and all I say, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, no,

510
00:29:37.119 --> 00:29:41.240
Also just like let this man go. You got hit

511
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:44.359
when you're jumping him exactly. He wouldn't have felt the

512
00:29:44.440 --> 00:29:46.920
need to do that if it wasn't seven against one,

513
00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:50.240
you know what I mean? Yeah, but no, Jeffrey stabbed

514
00:29:50.359 --> 00:29:55.160
Marcello in the between his shoulder and chest is where

515
00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:57.519
he stamped him. And so then after he did that,

516
00:29:57.720 --> 00:29:59.880
Jeffrey yelled like we have to go, we have to leave,

517
00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:02.759
and so they all ran off, leaving Marcello on the

518
00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:06.480
floor and Hell was afraid that their attackers would come back.

519
00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:08.359
And he was trying to yell from where he was hiding,

520
00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:11.960
like Marcello, come here, come here, Marcelo, Marcello. Imagine him

521
00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:15.640
witnessing this. Yeah, it's it's terrible. And then it's having

522
00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:19.920
the hope that his friends arrived. Yeah. Yeah, he never

523
00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:24.839
saw other knife. He could only that's why he had thought. Yeah, yeah,

524
00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:27.720
like oh they're gone now, like come on, come here,

525
00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:32.640
come here. Meanwhile, the teens walked off. They were all

526
00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:34.359
talking to each other like, oh, we'll help you get

527
00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:36.599
rid of the knife to Jeffrey Conroy. Jeffrey Conroy for

528
00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:38.839
amusing refuse, but he did clean it off in a

529
00:30:39.079 --> 00:30:41.359
puddle and put it back in his pocket, probably planning

530
00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:43.799
to further use this on more Latino men, like he

531
00:30:43.839 --> 00:30:48.039
had of violence on his mind. Yeah. Blood. So in

532
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:52.319
the meantime, back with ang Helen, Marcelo and He'll continued

533
00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:54.200
to call to his friend, and he also hoped someone

534
00:30:54.279 --> 00:30:57.000
had overheard everything and called the police. No one had.

535
00:30:57.279 --> 00:31:00.960
Marcello surprisingly was able to get up. He staggered towards

536
00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:05.880
Ankel and that's finally when a saw just his shirt

537
00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:11.000
soaked in blood, and Marcello fell into his arms. And

538
00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:13.279
as he fell he was like, I'm not okay, call

539
00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:15.960
nine one one. That's when Ah had tried to get

540
00:31:16.039 --> 00:31:18.440
his phone to call nine one one, but his phone

541
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:21.480
was dead. It was he was able to call, and

542
00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:23.519
then it died. They tried calling him back, there was

543
00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:27.599
no answer, so he had to leave Marcello like lay

544
00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:29.599
him down and run to the friend's house that they

545
00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:32.720
were heading to, which was right there, luckily, but they

546
00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:35.440
had to leave him there run to tell his friend

547
00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:38.599
to call nine one and he did. They arrived like

548
00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:42.759
eightish minutes later something like that. When the cops arrived,

549
00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:46.720
they took their time helping Marcello. Akeel was begging, like

550
00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:50.160
help him, help him with his broken English, begging them

551
00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:54.039
to help, but because they don't care, no TP all day.

552
00:31:54.200 --> 00:31:57.839
I swear to God, like, I yeah, I'm done. I'm

553
00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:01.680
really I'm not listening to the rest of this believing. No,

554
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:03.920
you have to. I wrote it all and I'm upset too,

555
00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:08.720
so you have to hear it, Okay, So they the

556
00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:13.720
officers continued to uh interrogate I head about the attackers instead,

557
00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:17.079
and you know, after some a ton of begging on

558
00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:21.279
his part, ridiculous, one officer finally walked to his car

559
00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:23.880
grabbed a rag, but then he just threw it on

560
00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:27.920
Marcello's wound. Dude, what the fuck is wrong with these assholes?

561
00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:31.200
I don't, I don't you know what? I don't know? Wait?

562
00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:34.839
Am I wrong? There is right, a fairly recent Supreme

563
00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:37.200
Court ruling that basically said the cops don't have to

564
00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:42.440
help us. There is right. There is after that woman

565
00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:46.240
was being stocked and they didn't reinforce the restraining order,

566
00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:50.079
and that's when the ruling came from that case. So literally,

567
00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:53.000
there's no point of calling them because they're not here

568
00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:55.440
to help us. They don't honesty, he I think he

569
00:32:55.559 --> 00:33:01.319
wanted an ambulance. Yeah, yeah, So this officer grabbed a

570
00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:04.480
rack threw it on Marcellos's wound, although a year later

571
00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:07.279
in court, he testified that he applied pressure to the wound,

572
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:13.440
but I didn't also, Yeah, yeah, I had maintained his

573
00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:16.400
story that they didn't do anything, and I believe him.

574
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:20.000
I believe him too fully. Yeah. Then officers forced on

575
00:33:20.119 --> 00:33:22.559
him to go with them to the station to further

576
00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:27.559
interrogate him about he's being treated like a criminal when

577
00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:29.799
he's the victim of a crime. And this is so typical,

578
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:33.759
so typical. Oh yeah, so when he left, the ambulance

579
00:33:33.799 --> 00:33:38.960
still hadn't arrived. Turns out it took them thirty minutes

580
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:43.039
to get there. Apparently this is a very tiny town.

581
00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:47.839
All the ambulance like force. They're all volunteers except one person.

582
00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:51.240
My god, And because they're all volunteers, like, it's a

583
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:54.039
little iffy with their certifications and what they can and

584
00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:57.880
can't do. So the ambulance that eventually did arrive was

585
00:33:57.960 --> 00:34:03.039
not certified to do any life advance support the point, yeah,

586
00:34:03.119 --> 00:34:05.559
what is the point of even having them? I understand,

587
00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:07.920
like he placed to hell limited resources, but no place

588
00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:11.440
should have limited resources like that. No, no, of course not.

589
00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:14.800
The one person that was qualified to do advanced life

590
00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:19.360
support had an inactive license. Wow, his license lapsed and

591
00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:22.159
so he had to he wasn't allowed to do anything.

592
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:26.400
So they would have been there for days to transform him. Yeah,

593
00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:30.000
pretty much. Eventually they did get him onto the ambulance,

594
00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:31.480
but they also had to stop and pick up the

595
00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:34.159
only actual person that could do anything because they were licensed.

596
00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:37.119
Oh my god. Would not have been faster to just

597
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:39.079
go to the hospital, Like how far is it? Like?

598
00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:40.800
How far is the hospital? I feel like there's not

599
00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:44.400
even a local hospital hospital was four miles away. It

600
00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:46.400
would have been so much faster. They just got him

601
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:50.079
to the freaking hospital. Wow. They also because of his wound,

602
00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:52.760
they decided that he needed a high, higher level of

603
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:55.559
care that their hospital would have provided, and they prepared

604
00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:57.920
like this evac by air. But by the time that

605
00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:00.280
they got to the high school where the landings for

606
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:04.480
the helicopter would have been, Marcello was no longer His

607
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:08.280
heart wasn't beating anymore. And so at that point the

608
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:11.320
air metavac is going to do. They're not gonna take him.

609
00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:13.920
He needs to have like a pulse. Yeah, I'm so upset.

610
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:17.360
Maybe if they would have taken not taken as long. Yeah, no,

611
00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:20.360
one hundred percent, Like this is this is not like

612
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:23.320
a stab wound to the cranium, Like this is a

613
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:25.719
stab wound too, But there was like so many like

614
00:35:26.760 --> 00:35:30.639
missteps intentionally by the cops who could have provided pressure

615
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:33.639
to the wound. Yeah, and they didn't because they don't

616
00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:36.400
give a buck. And then this this would have been

617
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:40.280
like yeah its people. Yeah, yeah, but this is an injury,

618
00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:43.159
but it's not like it shouldn't have been life threatening.

619
00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:46.800
He could have survived. Yeah, he could have. So because

620
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:49.280
now that he couldn't be air metovac, they had to

621
00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:52.400
go back to the hospital. Oh my god, just wasting

622
00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:55.519
more time of his So basically it took him over

623
00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:57.239
an hour to get to a hospital that was a

624
00:35:57.320 --> 00:36:01.480
mile four miles away. This is like the most stupid

625
00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:05.599
and competition shit I've heard, like in a long time. Yeah.

626
00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:07.679
So by the time they were able to get him

627
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:09.920
into the hospital and all that, it was too late.

628
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:13.199
He was announced course dead at one on nine am. Yeah,

629
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:17.280
I'm sorry, Like his death is on the hands of

630
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:21.239
course of those seventeenagers, also on the cops and honestly

631
00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:25.000
the ambulance people, because they did act incompetently. Like I know,

632
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:28.119
they're trying their best, but their best is not good enough. Yeah,

633
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:30.199
And I'm like, okay, one of you could have at

634
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:33.599
least like applied pressure. You didn't have to. I don't know.

635
00:36:33.760 --> 00:36:35.679
It's just crazy to me. And I mean it's crazy

636
00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:37.639
to me because I mean I was a medic and yeah, me,

637
00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:40.079
and this is something that we could have handled as

638
00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:43.440
medics in the army. Yeah, And it's just wild to

639
00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:47.199
me that someone responding to a nine on one call

640
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:50.440
in an ambulance couldn't have to take care of this, Like, yeah,

641
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:54.039
I don't understand. So, yeah, he he passed away at

642
00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:56.360
one on nine am. During all this, the teens were

643
00:36:56.440 --> 00:36:58.800
picked up. Not it was very fast. They were picked

644
00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:00.840
up like minutes after the police, right because they weren't

645
00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:04.119
even far from the location. The description. Also, I don't

646
00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:05.920
understand why. And he even needed to go to the

647
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:10.039
police station because they needs right away off the description No,

648
00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:12.960
yeah too, just because they were treating him like a

649
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:15.880
like a criminal. Yeah, And they walked up to the

650
00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:17.440
teens all nice and they're like, what are you guys

651
00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:22.400
doing now? So Donald's households. Jeffrey Conroy, the one who

652
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:25.760
stabbed at Marcello, walked up to one of the cops

653
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:30.199
and he told him I stabbed that Mexican. Again, he's

654
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:34.320
not a Mexican. Not all that denos are Mexican. Okay. Yeah,

655
00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:36.800
he straight up confessed to him on site and then

656
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:38.199
he was like, all right, well do you have the knife?

657
00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:40.079
He took it out. He's like, but that knife's not bloody,

658
00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:43.119
like trying to say, are you sure you stabbed this man?

659
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:48.159
Literally just confessed and now you're trying to him. Yeah,

660
00:37:48.159 --> 00:37:50.679
they're trying to talk about his confession, so they took

661
00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:53.800
him into the station. Good at this. At the station,

662
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:57.360
Jeffrey Conroy asked, what are the detectives if this was

663
00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:00.920
going to be a problem for wrestling season. Fucking idiot.

664
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:04.760
Of course, yeah, your ass is gonna be in jail hopefully.

665
00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:08.599
The detective was like, buddy, forget about wrestling season. You've

666
00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:21.440
got bigger problems. Stupid, it's so stupid, but it's like,

667
00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:24.840
these are idiot, like little teenagers who don't think things through.

668
00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:29.840
You pair that with racist asks, xenophobic beliefs, and violence.

669
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:34.440
Fuck yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. So during Jeffrey Conroy's interrogation,

670
00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:38.719
they found out that the teens did this regularly. This

671
00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:42.360
was something they called beaner hopping or Mexican hopping. Oh

672
00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:45.840
my god, which is basically beating anyone up to them

673
00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:50.199
that to them look like a Mexican. Wow. Yeah, did

674
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:52.760
this at least once a week. Oh my god. This

675
00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:55.400
just happened to be the first person that killed Yeah.

676
00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:59.679
It was somewhere during a break of interrogating Jeffrey that

677
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:03.039
one of the detectives stepped out and Anghelo was finally

678
00:39:03.159 --> 00:39:07.639
being led. He was finally a was still there. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

679
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:11.760
And so as he was walking out, he asked, hey,

680
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:13.840
is my friend okay, and that's when he found out

681
00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:17.800
he was not alive anymore. The detective was like, I'm

682
00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:20.039
sorry he didn't make it. He could have been with

683
00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:24.760
his friend in his final moments, but instead the stupid

684
00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:27.280
comps decided to treat him like a criminal when he

685
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:30.840
was a victim of these violent teenagers and they held

686
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:34.599
him there for no reason. Hm. So Marcello passed away

687
00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:36.639
at one on nine am. This was around four am.

688
00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:39.000
That's when he finally went out. What happened to his friend?

689
00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:41.360
I can't believe it. As the rest of the teams

690
00:39:41.400 --> 00:39:44.679
were interrogated, more and more came out. They had been

691
00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:47.880
responsible for an earlier attack on a different undocumented man

692
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:50.480
earlier that day involving the bb gun. Luckily no one

693
00:39:50.599 --> 00:39:54.119
was seriously hurt, and the Marimo came out they had

694
00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:57.840
been responsible for several attacks over several months on different

695
00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:02.079
men in this area. Wow, again, this is what they

696
00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:05.000
did for fun. Look for people that to them looked

697
00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:07.840
Mexican and attack them. There was a service held in

698
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:13.239
Patchog on November fifteenth, one week after Marcello's's murder. For Marcello,

699
00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:17.119
four hundred and fifty two people attended wow the service

700
00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:19.920
because it wor got out about this being a hate

701
00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:23.559
crime right away, and how he was getting ready to leave,

702
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:26.280
like he wasn't even going to be here anymore. That

703
00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:29.840
is so horrible. Yeah, it took more than thirty minutes

704
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:33.559
to get his coffin into the hearset to transport because

705
00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:36.400
people were just surrounding it trying to pay their respects.

706
00:40:38.199 --> 00:40:44.519
The body of Marcello Lucero arrived in Guallaceo on November nineteenth,

707
00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:48.840
a Wednesday, and a coffin draved with the flag of Ecuador.

708
00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:52.719
It had arrived in Quito first, then transported two hundred

709
00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:57.599
miles to Guallaceo. In Guallaceo, people received his body holding

710
00:40:57.760 --> 00:41:01.920
signs in Spanish that said no toy racism, no human

711
00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:05.360
being is illegal and Ecuadora is a country of peace.

712
00:41:05.639 --> 00:41:09.039
There was a three day procession in his honor. Hundreds

713
00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:13.960
of people walked alongside him. His friends took turns carrying

714
00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:18.559
his casket and hundreds of people walked alongside. The mayor

715
00:41:18.679 --> 00:41:22.679
called for a for three days of morning and people

716
00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:24.679
were giving a day off to go to the funeral,

717
00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:33.440
and the whole town was at his funeral. This part

718
00:41:33.639 --> 00:41:38.519
destroyed me. No, I'm not ready, mies already, watery. I

719
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:41.000
know this is why I want you. I want you,

720
00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:45.440
so okay, hold on, let me take a few break. Okay, okay, okay,

721
00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:51.519
all right. When Marcello's mom, doniar Ro Sadrio, saw her

722
00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:55.400
son in the casket, she didn't recognize him because he

723
00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:59.199
had left a young, thin man with you know, a

724
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:04.440
bunch of hair, her luscious black hair acne. Yeah, because

725
00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:09.599
he was twenty twenty one and this person in the

726
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:13.440
casket was now a grown man, taller than she remembered,

727
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:23.159
a lot less hair, more wrinkles. Again, look in my

728
00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:28.639
eyes now, brought tishoes with me. It's just it just

729
00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:31.760
hits so, it hits so close to home. I just

730
00:42:31.880 --> 00:42:36.840
remember my mom, our mom, my mom my mom. I

731
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:40.519
just remember our mom telling us how she couldn't recognize

732
00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:45.719
our siblings because they were children, and now they had children,

733
00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:49.760
and now those children are all adults. Yeah, and it's

734
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:52.239
not how she left them, you know. And to her,

735
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:57.199
they even though she saw pictures, she saw videos, to her,

736
00:42:57.320 --> 00:43:00.760
they were still the same age from she left, and

737
00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:04.400
so I can only imagine what Dona Rosadio was feeling

738
00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:07.159
when this is not the person that she said goodbye

739
00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:11.119
to all those years ago. It was so upstigning. It

740
00:43:11.320 --> 00:43:13.760
is it is he was laid to rest on the

741
00:43:13.880 --> 00:43:16.320
first floor of the house that he so proudly built

742
00:43:16.360 --> 00:43:23.920
for his family. That now those our tissue palls. So okay,

743
00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:28.639
Now back to these fuckheads, these shit asses. Six of

744
00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:32.639
the seventeenagers who attacked Lucetto were arraigned in the Soffolk

745
00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:35.760
County Criminal Court. They were charged with multiple counts of gain,

746
00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:39.360
assault and hate crimes, not only for Lucetto's death, but

747
00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:43.599
also for other assaults that were committed against other Latino

748
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:47.920
men et Torcierra, Octavio Cordobo. The judge sent bail for

749
00:43:48.199 --> 00:43:51.079
five of the seventeens at two hundred and fifty thousand

750
00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:54.679
dollars cash or five hundred thousand dollars bond. Chris Overton,

751
00:43:54.760 --> 00:43:57.360
one of the teens, was denied bail because he previously

752
00:43:57.719 --> 00:44:00.880
he had a previous felony conviction for the two thousand

753
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:07.400
and seven bulgar le Oh my god, burglary, yes burglary,

754
00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:11.800
thank you of an other immigrant A Jamaican immigrant. They

755
00:44:11.920 --> 00:44:18.239
broke into Jamaican immigrant mother who was working like two jobs. Wow,

756
00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:23.599
so he already had that felony. And the teenagers, one

757
00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:26.320
by one they were let into the courtroom. Their friends

758
00:44:26.360 --> 00:44:29.119
and parents were there like on their side still and

759
00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:32.719
Luscetto's family and friends were also there. The other person,

760
00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:35.599
the seventh that was now part of that group, was

761
00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:39.599
charged one week later with second degree murder and manslaughter

762
00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:42.679
as a heat crime. That was Jeffrey Conroy who stamned him.

763
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:46.039
He received a harsher sentence because he's actually stammed him.

764
00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:48.920
He had also partaken in the attacks of the two

765
00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:51.599
other men, and that was tacked on to him as well.

766
00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:55.199
All these teens pleaded not guilty. Like, what do you mean,

767
00:44:56.480 --> 00:45:01.079
it's all there, you confessed, Bob Conroy. Jeffrey Conroy's father

768
00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:03.360
felt like the treatment of his son and the teens

769
00:45:03.639 --> 00:45:07.920
was unfair. Fuck you and your son truly a shit.

770
00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:13.079
You created this monster, you bitch. Yeah, it's where did

771
00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:16.840
he learn these beliefs? You know? Yeah, obviously somewhere, so

772
00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:22.400
his father, Bob Conroy said. The following jeff was ostracized

773
00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:24.639
by the press. He was used as a poster boy.

774
00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:28.119
Of everything that's wrong with this country about legal immigration.

775
00:45:28.360 --> 00:45:30.719
It all fell on the back of teenagers, on my

776
00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:33.679
son's back. Well maybe they should have done what they did, sir,

777
00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:36.679
how about that side note? But his precious boy, his

778
00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:40.960
son has a Swazika tattoo on his diye from this

779
00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:46.039
or from prison? No, before all this? Okay, Wow, I'm shocked. Yeah,

780
00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:50.639
I mean like I shouldn't be, but I am. Wow. Yeah,

781
00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:53.960
and again is the funny you and your son? Yeah,

782
00:45:55.159 --> 00:46:00.519
probably your dad too. Yeah. On April nineteen ten, Jeffrey

783
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:03.079
Conroy was found guilty if manslaughter as a hate crime

784
00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:05.880
and ging assault. He was also convicted of the attempted

785
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:08.519
assault on three other Latino men and separate incidents that

786
00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:10.960
took place in the summer of the same year two

787
00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:13.920
thousand and eight. He was acquitted of the second degree

788
00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:16.400
murder as a hate crime because that would have put

789
00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:19.440
him in prison for life. What the fuck? Why? Yeah,

790
00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:22.800
I don't know, I don't know. Stupid jury. Probably. Yeah.

791
00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:26.880
He's currently serving time at the Clinton Correctional Facility in Danimora,

792
00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:32.320
New York. When the sentence was read, Bob Conroy yelled,

793
00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:34.800
he was fucking seventeen. You think this is mercy for

794
00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:38.719
crying out loud. He doesn't deserve mercy. Dow the fuck

795
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:43.960
at him. I'm procartle state right now. He does not

796
00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:47.639
deserve it. He was out for blood that night. He

797
00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:50.800
found two victims and he killed one of them. He

798
00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:53.519
doesn't deserve it. In his first attack on Latino man

799
00:46:53.599 --> 00:46:58.840
and he has a swatka. Yeah excuse me, literally, white supremacist.

800
00:46:58.920 --> 00:47:01.440
Why else would you get that time? Oh, all of

801
00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:06.239
a sudden, he deserves mercy, Like I'm sorry, no, why no? Why? Yeah?

802
00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:11.920
What about Marcello, you know exactly like he took someone's life, Yeah,

803
00:47:12.440 --> 00:47:15.199
on purpose, because what do you do when you stab somebody?

804
00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:18.239
You know what I mean? Like I understand legally it's

805
00:47:18.280 --> 00:47:20.960
not murder. Oh but yeah, you know, I don't care

806
00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:24.440
he killed someone intentionally. He wasn't even that close to

807
00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:27.159
like so you know, Marcello was looking the bell and

808
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:30.119
he was walking as he was swinging. So after he

809
00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:34.039
got hit, Marcello continued to move and Jeffrey Conroy had

810
00:47:34.039 --> 00:47:36.360
to pull out his knife and then walk several feet

811
00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:38.280
with his knife in front of him, like leading the way,

812
00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:41.519
like wow, So it was even like a quick like

813
00:47:41.639 --> 00:47:44.199
oh bam, let me take out my knife. Like he

814
00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:46.079
had to walk several feet with a knife in his

815
00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:49.559
hand in order to stab Marcello. Marcello's back was facing

816
00:47:49.719 --> 00:47:52.679
Jeffrey Conroy and he quickly turned around as if he

817
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:54.880
sensed what was about to happen, and that's when he

818
00:47:55.039 --> 00:47:58.639
was stabbed in the shoulder, sash, chest. But he was

819
00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:01.559
he was getting away, like he easily could have let

820
00:48:01.599 --> 00:48:04.159
him leave, you know. Yeah, but no. Anyways, Yeah, that's

821
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:08.000
what a little Bob Conroy said about his little Nazi son. Wow,

822
00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:12.199
Jeffrey Conroy is eligible for par role in twenty thirty.

823
00:48:13.400 --> 00:48:17.639
He'll be thirty nine by then. His dad, Bob Conroy

824
00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:20.400
still believes that the sentence was bullshit. I hope that

825
00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:24.119
he stays there, honestly, because that's like pretty young. Still,

826
00:48:24.280 --> 00:48:26.800
he can still be if he has not reformed, which

827
00:48:26.840 --> 00:48:29.599
probably he hasn't. Yeah, he can still be out there

828
00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:33.360
like stabbing people, you know. Yeah, that's two years older

829
00:48:33.480 --> 00:48:36.199
than Marcelo was at the time of his murder. In

830
00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:39.480
August twenty ten, the State Supreme Court Justice Robert W.

831
00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:43.039
Doyle sentenced the one of the teens to seven years

832
00:48:43.119 --> 00:48:47.039
in prison. Oh Jose Jose Pacheco to seven years in prison.

833
00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:51.960
Nicholas hash was sentenced to five years, Chris Overton received

834
00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:56.519
six years. The four others were already sentenced seven years.

835
00:48:56.719 --> 00:48:59.079
Two of them had shorter sentences because they weren't involved

836
00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:04.000
in the other assaults, only Marcello's, So in total they

837
00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:07.239
basically had five to seven years serving an except for

838
00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:10.760
what's his name, Jeffrey Conroy who served twenty five years.

839
00:49:11.159 --> 00:49:16.320
And the family, the Marcelo or Marcello's family. They're trying

840
00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:19.480
to file a lawsuit for the state of New York

841
00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:21.800
for failing to protest. So hard to do that from

842
00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:24.880
out of the country. Yeah, it is. It was dismissed.

843
00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:27.719
I know, it's shouldn't be. I feel like they should

844
00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:32.039
have they should they should be able to wash. Yeah. Yeah,

845
00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:34.800
it was one hundred percent preventable. Like two months after

846
00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:39.159
this happened, there was another similar attack that also took

847
00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:44.840
the life of another immigrant. Are you serious? Yeah, Like Hosselo,

848
00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:48.400
Marcello's brother, was on record like when he spoke to

849
00:49:48.760 --> 00:49:50.599
the media and he said, like he hoped that this

850
00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:53.000
would be the last attack of this kind, and of

851
00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:58.800
course it wasn't. And I mean, look at uh the

852
00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:03.239
el Paso shooting that we've already covered, but the same rhetoric,

853
00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:09.639
same beliefs that inspired that dumb ass, braces ass person

854
00:50:09.760 --> 00:50:12.719
to do the same think, but at a worse level. Right,

855
00:50:12.880 --> 00:50:16.159
but these are still a mass level. Yeah yet mass

856
00:50:16.239 --> 00:50:21.840
think you. Yeah, but the same beliefs behind the violence. Yeah, exactly,

857
00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:25.519
and it's only getting worse. And it's such a I

858
00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:27.400
mean we say this every time we talk about like

859
00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:31.920
something that's like violence against immigrants, but like it's such

860
00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:35.159
an important always, but such an important time now because

861
00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:41.360
of the you know, intelect the climate, yeah yeah, and

862
00:50:41.519 --> 00:50:45.239
the you know, same hateful rhetoric that's like more visible

863
00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:48.880
than it was back then. I think more, I think so, Yeah,

864
00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:52.159
I think I feel like although back then it was

865
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:56.559
common likes, I like all the laws that were you know,

866
00:50:56.760 --> 00:51:00.880
being not pasted but like trying to become like the

867
00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:03.320
miniment on the news, all right, but it was I

868
00:51:03.360 --> 00:51:06.719
feel like it was more fringe still. Yeah, you didn't

869
00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:11.559
see the president on President elects on a camera saying

870
00:51:12.039 --> 00:51:15.039
how these are all rapists and criminals and that they

871
00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:17.519
need to be sobbed, right, it was like more subtle.

872
00:51:17.639 --> 00:51:20.920
The racism now it's yeah, it's like over in your face,

873
00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:26.280
extremely hateful. I mean, heeds I heard thriatening to uh

874
00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:34.440
take away the citizenship birthright citizenship. Yeah so I don't know,

875
00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:38.400
like yeah wueno has another president ever said that that

876
00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:40.079
wasn't in the Fifth Rights? You know what I mean?

877
00:51:40.239 --> 00:51:43.840
Like right right? So yeah, I mean and this is

878
00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:47.079
this was all all for what? You know, like all

879
00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:50.719
for what for? These these these teens, they learned these

880
00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:53.199
beliefs somewhere. They didn't just wake up one day and

881
00:51:53.480 --> 00:51:57.960
you know, decide to be hateful little shits, right, So yeah,

882
00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:00.880
just uh it's important to talk about the these cases

883
00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:03.320
with that lens. I know people are like, eh, I

884
00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:06.079
don't get political, but it truthfully it is. This was

885
00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:09.679
a literal time. Yeah, everything is political, just if you

886
00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:11.960
feel like it's not because it hasn't affected your life.

887
00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:15.760
But what I'm wondering is, like immigrants or children of immigrants,

888
00:52:15.800 --> 00:52:17.760
how has it not affected your life? Like that is

889
00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:20.719
my question? Well that's what I was gonna say. Like

890
00:52:21.039 --> 00:52:23.000
also the same thing you said, And yeah, if you're

891
00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:26.639
a children child of immigrants and you're out there, you know,

892
00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:29.440
spouting this shit, I know that calling you dumb is

893
00:52:29.480 --> 00:52:31.000
not going to change your mind. But I'm sorry you

894
00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:34.519
are dumb, but get it together. Look at what happened

895
00:52:34.519 --> 00:52:39.119
to Marcello. Yeah yeah, and also you came from like

896
00:52:39.480 --> 00:52:43.599
if you're spouting this bullshit and your parents are quote illegal,

897
00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:47.119
like the president lecause I hear threatening to take away

898
00:52:47.159 --> 00:52:50.679
also your citizenship, So like, yeah, what did you think

899
00:52:50.840 --> 00:52:52.880
was gonna happen? Like you thought you were safe because

900
00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:55.639
you're spouting this bullshit. That was the case with Marcelo Lucero.

901
00:52:55.719 --> 00:52:57.840
I didn't want to share that. There is a documentary

902
00:52:57.840 --> 00:53:01.960
about this called Deputized Como Budo Basad. And the book

903
00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:04.199
I read where all of this is basically from is

904
00:53:04.360 --> 00:53:08.360
Hunting Season, Immigration and Murder in in all American town

905
00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:13.679
by And the book goes so much more in depth

906
00:53:13.719 --> 00:53:17.199
into their life in Ecuador, their friendships, the family, the

907
00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:22.519
journey from Ecuador to uh Patchog. It's it's so good,

908
00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:25.960
So I highly highly recommend the book. This was just

909
00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:28.239
like a tiny, you know, little snippet of it. But yeah,

910
00:53:28.480 --> 00:53:31.280
that was the that infuriading case. We'll take a little

911
00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:33.320
break here and then come back with speak your recommendations.

912
00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:41.280
Oh right, do you have any speak your recommendations? Let

913
00:53:41.360 --> 00:53:44.320
me see I don't remember, Okay. In the meantime, while

914
00:53:44.360 --> 00:53:47.119
you're looking for your speak, your recommendation, I do have

915
00:53:47.320 --> 00:53:50.079
one and I first I messaged Carmen when I finished

916
00:53:50.119 --> 00:53:51.719
this show and I was like, wow, we should watch

917
00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:53.559
this show, and you know, she told me that she

918
00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:55.920
had already watched it, and I was like, I already

919
00:53:55.960 --> 00:53:59.800
forgot this. What is this about? Dark Winds? Oh? Yeah,

920
00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:05.480
it's on Netflix and a mc either one. But it

921
00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:11.800
follows a tribal policeman. You forgot his name in the show. Joe,

922
00:54:11.960 --> 00:54:16.000
isn't it Joe Joe or Joe one of those one

923
00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:18.760
of that too. But he's like a tribal policeman in

924
00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:21.400
every show ever and I love him and Longmire and

925
00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:25.480
Reservation Dogs, which have you seen? To watch that? I

926
00:54:25.480 --> 00:54:26.800
didn't know he was in that. My god, I can

927
00:54:26.880 --> 00:54:30.880
believe there's so many there's a crossover of actors for

928
00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:34.840
Reservation Dogs and Dark Winds. But the first season is

929
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:38.559
so spooky and it's like it's a little witchy. It's

930
00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:41.360
so creepy some of the scenes with Yeah, I mean

931
00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:47.280
the witch there's a wary Yeah, she's very cy Yeah.

932
00:54:47.639 --> 00:54:51.519
The second season is less I think spiritual. There's still

933
00:54:51.559 --> 00:54:54.400
some spiritual elements though elements, Yeah, not as much as

934
00:54:54.400 --> 00:54:56.679
the first season. It's still good though, but yeah, I

935
00:54:56.760 --> 00:54:58.840
mean it's so good and like, how often can we

936
00:54:58.880 --> 00:55:02.519
say there's like an all all star indigenous cast like

937
00:55:03.039 --> 00:55:05.280
Starry in this show. It's all about it's it's just

938
00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:09.480
it's so good. So highly recommend that show. Also, I

939
00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:11.400
was rais surprised to see Dwight in it. He's a

940
00:55:11.480 --> 00:55:14.599
car salesman. Oh, yeah, me too. Anytime we see Dwight anywhere,

941
00:55:14.639 --> 00:55:17.880
I'm like, it's tweight, it's tight. Yeah, and that that

942
00:55:18.039 --> 00:55:21.440
he doesn't like that. Oops, I don't care. I was

943
00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:24.599
watching an interview with him and the guy from Breaking

944
00:55:24.679 --> 00:55:29.119
Bad who probably also no. No. He was like, no,

945
00:55:29.360 --> 00:55:31.639
I love it. I love that my fans can recognize

946
00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:33.960
me and see me as this role. And it's like,

947
00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:37.000
it's just it's like very honor. It feels like an

948
00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:42.119
honor blah blah blah. And Dwight was like, really, Rain Wilson, sorry,

949
00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:46.000
sorry Dwight, Rain and Wilson. Yeah, he was like, oh,

950
00:55:46.079 --> 00:55:48.400
I feel like sometimes it makes me feel stuck to

951
00:55:48.480 --> 00:55:50.719
the character. Blah blah blah. He doesn't like it at all.

952
00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:55.079
But Heisenberg from Breaking Bad, does or do you know that?

953
00:55:55.159 --> 00:55:58.079
That from Mac him in the middle whatever? Oh, okay,

954
00:55:58.239 --> 00:56:00.320
I didn't know his name in Breaking Back. I never

955
00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:05.599
got into Breaking Bed. That's right, Brian, Brian something Creston's

956
00:56:06.440 --> 00:56:08.840
I just know that, No, hum I said. I asked

957
00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:12.599
if that was his actual name. Yeah, yeah, okay, but yeah,

958
00:56:12.679 --> 00:56:21.400
that's my spooky recommendation. Okay, yeah, I was looking through

959
00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:24.800
my when I finished reading on Stargraph, and I do

960
00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:28.760
have a spooky recommendation. I listened and finished the audiobook

961
00:56:29.000 --> 00:56:35.039
So Thirsty by Rachel Harrison. It was it was pretty good.

962
00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:37.440
I saw some bad reviews and I was like, well,

963
00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:41.000
tweets your own. I really liked it. Let me find

964
00:56:41.199 --> 00:56:43.960
vampire related. Yeah it is. Did you read it for

965
00:56:44.039 --> 00:56:47.239
a vampire media episode that we still have through? Not really.

966
00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:50.960
I didn't read it because of that, but I because

967
00:56:51.000 --> 00:56:53.000
I like, I just tag always what I want to

968
00:56:53.079 --> 00:56:55.599
read on Libby, and then after I finished something, I

969
00:56:55.719 --> 00:56:58.239
see what's available now, and it was available, and that's

970
00:56:58.280 --> 00:57:00.360
how why I read it. Okay, but there was books

971
00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:02.159
that could have chosen, but I chose it because I'm like, oh,

972
00:57:02.199 --> 00:57:04.880
I want to read something vampiriy for that so partly

973
00:57:04.880 --> 00:57:07.719
because of that? Yeah? Okay, So the description a woman

974
00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:10.039
was learned to take life by the throat after a

975
00:57:10.159 --> 00:57:13.519
night out leads to irv damn. How does he say

976
00:57:13.559 --> 00:57:17.920
this word? Irvect irvocable? No, that's wrong, don't. I can't

977
00:57:18.199 --> 00:57:22.519
iravect era, I can't whatever changes in this juicy, thrilling

978
00:57:22.599 --> 00:57:25.239
novel from the USA Today bestselling author of Such Sharp

979
00:57:25.280 --> 00:57:28.519
Teeth and Black Sheep? Have you read those? No? Okay,

980
00:57:28.599 --> 00:57:31.119
I hear like mixed stuff about black sheep, But I

981
00:57:31.159 --> 00:57:33.199
think I hear mostly good things about such sharp Teeth.

982
00:57:33.280 --> 00:57:36.159
Such short teep is like a werewolf one. So, Sloane

983
00:57:36.199 --> 00:57:39.440
Parker is dritting her birthday. She doesn't need a reminder

984
00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:42.119
she's getting older or that she's feeling indifferent about her

985
00:57:42.159 --> 00:57:44.599
own life. Her husband surprises her with their birthday we

986
00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:46.840
can get away, not with him, but with Sloan's a

987
00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:51.199
long time best friend, turbomaker extraordinaire Naomi. Sloane anticipates a

988
00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:54.960
weekend of wine tastings and cozy robes and strategic avoidance

989
00:57:55.000 --> 00:57:58.480
of issues she'd rather not confront, like her husband's repeated infidelity.

990
00:57:58.639 --> 00:58:00.920
But when they arrive at their rental, it becomes clear

991
00:58:01.079 --> 00:58:03.920
Naomi has something else in mind. She wants the loan

992
00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:06.480
to stop letting things happen to her, force Loan to

993
00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:09.400
really live. So Naomi orchestrates a wild night out with

994
00:58:09.480 --> 00:58:14.159
a group of mysterious strangers. Those strangers are vampires, okay,

995
00:58:14.599 --> 00:58:17.239
only for it to take a horrifying turn that changes

996
00:58:17.400 --> 00:58:21.039
Loans and Naomi's lives literally forever. The friends are forced

997
00:58:21.079 --> 00:58:24.480
to come to terms with some pretty eternal consequences, and

998
00:58:24.599 --> 00:58:27.679
this bloody, seductive novel about how it's never too late

999
00:58:28.039 --> 00:58:32.079
to find satisfaction, even though it might taste different than expected.

1000
00:58:32.480 --> 00:58:35.199
I don't know. I love a story of two best friends.

1001
00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:39.480
Yeah you do? Yeah? Yeah, I love a happy ending.

1002
00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:41.239
What can I say? You know? Some people were like, oh,

1003
00:58:41.239 --> 00:58:43.400
it's so unrealistic, and I'm like, you're reading a story

1004
00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:45.960
about vampires. Why do you expect something to be realistic.

1005
00:58:47.360 --> 00:58:50.519
I liked it. It was funny. Sometimes at first, I

1006
00:58:50.599 --> 00:58:52.840
feel like some of the other batter views I saw,

1007
00:58:52.880 --> 00:58:55.760
they were complaining that the main character is like just

1008
00:58:55.800 --> 00:58:58.840
feel sorry for herself the whole time, and she literally

1009
00:58:58.880 --> 00:59:00.559
at one point says that she just wants to be

1010
00:59:00.639 --> 00:59:05.239
a victim, like play victim or whatever, and that spoilers obviously.

1011
00:59:05.639 --> 00:59:07.960
Once she turns into a vampire, she can't play victim

1012
00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:10.960
anymore because she's a powerful vampire and she doesn't like

1013
00:59:11.079 --> 00:59:13.199
that too powerful. Yeah, I just want to be a

1014
00:59:13.320 --> 00:59:16.920
sad little bit. Yeah. Basically that's what she's that's her

1015
00:59:17.000 --> 00:59:19.400
character development. And I liked it. I don't know. It

1016
00:59:19.519 --> 00:59:24.159
was funny, interesting at times, very entertaining. I feel like

1017
00:59:24.199 --> 00:59:26.559
for audiobooks, I'm not looking for something profound. I'm looking

1018
00:59:26.599 --> 00:59:28.519
for something entertaining because I'm listening to it, you know

1019
00:59:28.559 --> 00:59:31.519
what I mean. Yeah, And I never once thought I

1020
00:59:31.679 --> 00:59:34.320
was it was boring. Okay, what else I listened to?

1021
00:59:34.920 --> 00:59:38.440
I guess it's more like mystery, but it's a mystery romance.

1022
00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:41.360
The book is called the most Wonderful Crime of the Year,

1023
00:59:41.880 --> 00:59:46.079
very like murder mystery type thing. Fun Let me find

1024
00:59:46.119 --> 00:59:48.519
that description real quick, Okay. So it says knives out

1025
00:59:48.639 --> 00:59:51.159
gets a holiday roum come twist, and this rivals to

1026
00:59:51.320 --> 00:59:54.199
lovers of romance mystery from New York Times bestselling author

1027
00:59:54.480 --> 00:59:57.360
Ellie Carter. And then it says the bridge is out,

1028
00:59:57.519 --> 00:59:59.880
the phone darted down, and the most famous mystery writer

1029
01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:02.400
in the world just disappeared out of a locked room

1030
01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:06.039
three days before Christmas. Meet Maggie Chase and Ethan Wyatt.

1031
01:00:06.119 --> 01:00:08.960
She's the new queen of the Cozy Mystery. He's mister

1032
01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:12.000
big time thriller guy. She hates his guts. He thinks

1033
01:00:12.079 --> 01:00:15.239
her name is Marcy, no matter how many times she's

1034
01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:18.119
told him otherwise. But when they both accept a cryptic

1035
01:00:18.239 --> 01:00:22.079
invitation to attend a Christmas house party at the English

1036
01:00:22.199 --> 01:00:25.719
estate of a reclusive fan, neither is expecting their host

1037
01:00:25.960 --> 01:00:29.400
to be the most powerful author in the world, Eleanor Ashley,

1038
01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:34.039
the Duchess of death herself to her author world. Okay,

1039
01:00:34.280 --> 01:00:37.400
that night the weather turns, and the next morning, Eleanor

1040
01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:40.320
is gone. She vanished from a locked room, and Maggie

1041
01:00:40.360 --> 01:00:42.679
has to wonder is Eleanor in danger or is it

1042
01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:45.679
all some kind of test? Is Ethan the competition or

1043
01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:48.719
is he the only person in that snowbounded mansion she

1044
01:00:48.840 --> 01:00:52.639
can trust. As the snow gets deeper and the stakes

1045
01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:55.679
get higher, every clue will bring Maggie and Ethan closer

1046
01:00:55.760 --> 01:00:59.119
to the truth and each other. Because this Christmas, these

1047
01:00:59.199 --> 01:01:02.039
two rivals are going to have to become allies, and

1048
01:01:02.159 --> 01:01:04.800
maybe more if they have any hope of saving eleanor

1049
01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:08.679
assuming they don't kill each other first. Very cute. I

1050
01:01:08.840 --> 01:01:12.679
like that. I've been listening and reading trying to at

1051
01:01:12.800 --> 01:01:17.440
least some Christmas related I saw your stoograph. Yeah, and

1052
01:01:17.559 --> 01:01:20.960
don't get at me about not reading anything else. I

1053
01:01:21.320 --> 01:01:23.599
haven't started the book of the book. My plan is

1054
01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:27.440
to start it after I finish the Panama Oh okay,

1055
01:01:27.880 --> 01:01:31.159
but see, like reading these other things doesn't take away

1056
01:01:31.239 --> 01:01:33.519
from the Panama book, because the Panama Book I have

1057
01:01:33.639 --> 01:01:38.480
to like highlight, take notes, write and actual like focus

1058
01:01:38.599 --> 01:01:41.079
and studying and shit. And so I listen to autobooks

1059
01:01:41.119 --> 01:01:43.480
when I'm walking or driving, and then my kindle I

1060
01:01:43.559 --> 01:01:46.760
started reading either only in bed, right, I read like

1061
01:01:46.840 --> 01:01:48.840
a few pages when I wake up and a few

1062
01:01:48.880 --> 01:01:51.480
pages before I sleep, and then when I ride my

1063
01:01:51.559 --> 01:01:54.400
little bicycle. So I become one of those people that

1064
01:01:54.519 --> 01:01:56.719
has a book for every like activity and place in

1065
01:01:56.760 --> 01:02:00.440
the house. I love that for you. Yeah, pretty, it's

1066
01:02:00.440 --> 01:02:03.760
pretty cool. Yeah. Also sorry, I don't think I ever

1067
01:02:03.920 --> 01:02:07.000
talked about. For my work book club, we read Never

1068
01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:10.559
Lie by Freedom McFadden, and she like has hell of books.

1069
01:02:10.599 --> 01:02:12.880
But people like I don't know, they say she's like

1070
01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:15.119
a trashy writer. I guess I'm not a trashy writer.

1071
01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:18.599
But it's like yeah, like it's nothing meaningful, you know,

1072
01:02:18.719 --> 01:02:21.639
it's just yeah, yeah, just like like a fun little read.

1073
01:02:21.679 --> 01:02:24.960
I guess, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Anyway, I read Never Lie

1074
01:02:25.559 --> 01:02:29.000
and it's a thriller, of course, and it was so ridiculous,

1075
01:02:29.119 --> 01:02:31.039
but it was entertaining, Like I really liked it. I

1076
01:02:31.119 --> 01:02:33.000
read it. It's fun and okay. Also for me, when

1077
01:02:33.000 --> 01:02:37.719
I read stuff like four doesn't mean like it's amazing profound,

1078
01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:40.000
like that's five. I say that for five. Four means

1079
01:02:40.039 --> 01:02:43.920
I loved it. But it could be a ridiculous, a

1080
01:02:44.039 --> 01:02:46.880
ridiculous plot that's so unrealistic, you know what I mean.

1081
01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:50.000
Like to me, that doesn't matter. If I'm entertained and

1082
01:02:50.079 --> 01:02:52.280
I loved it and I would read read it or

1083
01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:55.280
maybe not. I don't know. If I had a good time,

1084
01:02:55.679 --> 01:02:57.960
it's a four. If I had a decent time, it's

1085
01:02:58.000 --> 01:02:59.400
a three, you know what I mean. So that's why

1086
01:02:59.440 --> 01:03:04.239
I read it to have Oh man, okay, okay, it

1087
01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:06.880
was like so and the twist I never saw coming

1088
01:03:06.880 --> 01:03:11.239
because probably because I'm dumb, Probably because I'm a dumb bitch. Yeah,

1089
01:03:11.519 --> 01:03:15.199
so this one the description. Newlyweds Tricia and Ethan are

1090
01:03:15.239 --> 01:03:17.639
searching for the house of their dreams, but when they

1091
01:03:17.800 --> 01:03:21.639
visit the remote manner that once belonged to doctor Adrianne Hill,

1092
01:03:21.880 --> 01:03:26.199
a renowned psychiatrist who vanished without a trace four years earlier,

1093
01:03:26.519 --> 01:03:29.159
a violent winter storm traps them at the estate with

1094
01:03:29.280 --> 01:03:32.320
no chance of escape until the blizzard comes to an end.

1095
01:03:32.519 --> 01:03:35.000
In search of a book to keep her entertained until

1096
01:03:35.039 --> 01:03:38.719
the snow abates, Tricia happens upon a secret room, one

1097
01:03:38.760 --> 01:03:42.039
that contains audio transcripts from every single patient Doctor Hell

1098
01:03:42.119 --> 01:03:45.039
has ever interviewed. As Tricia listens to the cassette tapes,

1099
01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:47.880
she learned about the terrifying chain of events leading up

1100
01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:51.400
to doctor Hell's mysterious disappearance. Tricia plays the tapes one

1101
01:03:51.440 --> 01:03:54.079
by one late into the night. With each one another

1102
01:03:54.199 --> 01:03:57.559
shocking piece of the puzzle falls into place, and doctor

1103
01:03:57.599 --> 01:04:02.360
adrian Hill's web of lines unrebels, And then Tricia reaches

1104
01:04:02.400 --> 01:04:06.320
the final cassette, the one that reveals the entire horrifying truth.

1105
01:04:06.840 --> 01:04:10.880
Oh okay, I love first when people are trapped somewhere

1106
01:04:10.880 --> 01:04:14.000
and they can't escape. I feel like you'd love it. Yeah,

1107
01:04:14.239 --> 01:04:17.239
And I love something that involves listening to tapes. That's

1108
01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:19.639
why I was obsessed with Archive eighty one. I'm so

1109
01:04:19.719 --> 01:04:22.559
excited to continue. That's that's based on a book, right

1110
01:04:22.719 --> 01:04:25.519
or no? Oh, I don't get wrong, I might be wrong.

1111
01:04:25.559 --> 01:04:29.400
It was an audio Oh that's right, novella. We call

1112
01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:32.320
it show. I don't yeah, yeah, yeah, I was like

1113
01:04:32.360 --> 01:04:37.400
audio book Noma has a name. But yeah, so that's fine,

1114
01:04:37.920 --> 01:04:40.079
but okay, I love that. I'll probably check that out

1115
01:04:40.159 --> 01:04:44.159
done then yeah, no, and I love that too, you know,

1116
01:04:44.239 --> 01:04:46.719
I love it. And the characters are unlikable, like I

1117
01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:48.719
was sick of them, but I don't mind that. Like

1118
01:04:48.800 --> 01:04:52.440
some people hate when the characters are unlikable, I feel

1119
01:04:52.480 --> 01:04:55.000
like I like it because it's so unrealistic because like,

1120
01:04:55.480 --> 01:04:57.440
imagine meeting someone like that in real life, like I

1121
01:04:57.480 --> 01:05:01.760
would fight them. Yeah, I'm with an unlikable character, Earlily,

1122
01:05:01.760 --> 01:05:03.800
you borrow it when it's sufferable and I'm just kidding.

1123
01:05:04.400 --> 01:05:08.639
I found the main character insufferable. And then the twist

1124
01:05:08.679 --> 01:05:11.440
came and then I was like, oh, this explains a lot. Yeah, okay,

1125
01:05:11.559 --> 01:05:13.960
I'm excited. I also love a good twist, so this

1126
01:05:14.039 --> 01:05:15.719
should be good. And if you want me to tell

1127
01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:18.519
you what happens. I'll tell you all fair enough. Yeah,

1128
01:05:18.639 --> 01:05:21.440
tell me after Oh sorry, you know what else? I watched?

1129
01:05:21.480 --> 01:05:24.719
The crampis I've watched it before, but I forgot between

1130
01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:27.760
that happens. Yeah, I watched it again. It's a fun

1131
01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:32.519
cute yeah yeah, yeah, entertaining with the children and what's

1132
01:05:32.559 --> 01:05:37.679
his name from Parks and rec the guy love Yeah, Ben, Yeah,

1133
01:05:38.400 --> 01:05:40.039
I know it's really name is Adam, And I wanted

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to call him Adam, but then I had already said,

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oh yeah, Adam Scott. Yeah, he's in It's a fun movie.

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And I just love him. I literally watch anything he's in.

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Have you seen the one on I think actually I

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can't remember if it's on Netflix for Hulu where his

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step son is. Yeah, that one's fun, that's like fun one. Yeah.

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I did recommend it when I watched it. Oh, okay,

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a lot of time or something. Yeah, yeah, okay, well

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now I'm done, I'm done. That was a lot. Okay, yeah,

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it was a lot, all right. Just to reminder that

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our book club book is The Witches of a Basso.

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It's on our little list in the show notes. I

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think I'm gonna started click anyuary. Sorry, same, same, for sure.

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I will start in January. You can also find us

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on YouTube. You can follow our socials on Instagram and

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I don't know TikTok's going away, so if you follow

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me on TikTok, maybe switch to Instagram and YouTube, you know, yeah,

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oh sorry, can I just say really quick, I'm like, whatever,

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you can criticize those, But it made me laugh that

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someone said our Spanish is so frustrating. But then now

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all the memes are coming out of Selena about Selena's

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Gomentz and the movie, and I'm like, well, at Lista

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will sound like that, right, it could be worse. And

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the purpose of our Spanish episodes is for us to

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learn to get better at like sounding cool in Spanish. Yeah, yeah,

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that was the whole point. So yeah, but it could

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be worse. We could sound like len. Think about that,

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like let me pinch, I can't stop. Stop. We we

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respect all Moss and yeah and yeah yeah and Pachas

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and like, you know, it's it's really funny, like who

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nobody uses the word bulba, Like I'm sorry, nobody uses

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it in that way, but you know what did her

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no good? Yes that's what I didn't say, but Also

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it was directed and written I think by someone French,

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so they wouldn't understand the way that you say these things,

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and they wouldn't know how did they're not here? Oh?

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People were like shocked, that's on TikTok that could speak Spanish.

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It's like, you, guys, she's she's Latina, Like what do

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you mean? They're like, oh, but look it's always Aldania Spanish.

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It's so good compared to yeah, she's Latina too. Yeah, God,

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she's stop. So yeah, okay, we can we can layer

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upon layers for this conversation that maybe would be to

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train stop before we yeah, oh yeah, I didn't want

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to do that. Well assume, but we don't judge. But

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do you have time or no? Okay, really well let's

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send this for the official Yeah okay, and so yeah, everyone,

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stay spooky. You will catch you next time. Watch out

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for watch out for el Ukumar. It sounds like this,

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ooh ooh. If you hear oh omar say spooky, We'll

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catch for the next time. Bye Bye. S. Book Tells

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is hosted by Christina and Carmen, produced and edited by Christina,

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researched by Christina Carmen and with the help of Don

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shout out with Don. If you're enjoying the podcast considerably,

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If you don't want to have a five star review,

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just don't leave a review. But don't leave anything lower

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can or don't want to join the patreon, that's fine too.

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You can also get some merch. You can find shurets

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to say a spooky and old English letters. There's a beanie.

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I love the beanie. There's also a hat. There's a

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lot of options, crap TOMPs, sweaters. It's almost wetter weather.

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We're nearing a Spookie season, so yeah, get your hoodies.

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You're gonna need them. If you don't want to do

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all that. That's fine too. You can just listen like

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you're listening now, and that's the best support that you

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can give us, like I always say in our ad

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break and yeah, if you like history, you can follow

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This is in the show notes and we appreciate every

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single listen. Thank you so much, Stay a Spooky