Solar Eclipse Legends and the LeBaron Cult (part two)

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show notes. Okay, so a quick

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sury warning before the episode starts.
This is continuing Part two of the Leabharan.

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Cool but this part contains a lot
more murder than part one, which

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includes the death of children, So
listen with caution or skip this part if

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you want. All Right, Hi
everyone, this is Christina and this is

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MJ and Carmen. This is another
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for all things spooky, spooky,
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today, because we are continuing part
two of the l Bearing cult. But

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also MJ has some eclipse story eclips. I forgot what we were doing.

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I thought we were just gonna say
she has something for us something. Yeah,

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she does, she does. And
Carmen, Carmen, you have a

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job. Now you have our listener
story. Yes, I feel like I

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have a purpose now this is it. Yeah, before you do your job.

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options. You can call it a
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at like two minutes I'm pretty sure
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two. So keep it short,
yeah, keep it short. Or you

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can attach a voice note and email
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If it's a longer story, and
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me know, you know, we
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So yeah, yeah, Carmen,
you want to read the story now,

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but I'm done, all right.
This is from Jorge. Jorge says,

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HI love your show. Guys.
You guys make work for me,

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fly by. I got a few
stories. I'll start with the short one.

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So back in ninety nine, I
was living in Orange County, California.

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I was renting in an apartment with
the roommate. Our building was a

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three story building. Most nights I
would hang out outside with Mary Jane and

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other dudes from our building on the
stairs outside to shooting the breeze, shooting

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the shit, I add that part. Usually we would go inside around eleven

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PM or midnight, depending on the
day of the week. I myself never

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smoked, but did drink a little. One day, just like any other.

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It was around midnight and we were
still outside when I saw a Dalmatian

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walking on the sidewalk towards us.
The dog is walking towards us, us

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and comes to a small tree in
front of us, stands up on his

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back legs, leans on the side
of the tree, crosses his legs and

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grabs his tail somehow with one of
his paws and starts swinging What what started

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swinging it while looking at us with
these blowing red eyes. Oh my god,

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Sorry, I just imagine like bugs
bunny like going like this then just

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swinging but horrifying yeah, like with
blowing red eyes, like like the nightmare

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version of yeah, yeah, yes, Gussie Mechago as well as the other

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guys. We'll see Okay. So
we just froze, couldn't move or say

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anything. After a few seconds that
seemed hours, the dog calmly came down

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on all fours and continues strolling down
the sidewalk and just vanished as it got

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further from us. What the fuck? Oh my god, that's a fucking

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wow something. Finally I was able
to speak and told the guys, it's

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whatever it is, it's a nope
nope. So finally I was able to

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speak and told the guys, fuck
this, let's call it a night,

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and went inside. Next the next
day, we got together again in the

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PM and talked about it and talked
about what we saw the previous night.

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We all described seeing the same thing
and decided that it was a demon or

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the devil again. I never smoked, but I did a drink. I

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never drank more than two to three
beers, so I wasn't drunk. After

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that, we didn't say we didn't
see anything again. I've got more stories

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and I'll be sending to them later. Stay at Tostellos. We are definitely.

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Yes, I'm freaking out right now. That was like, oh my

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god, that's horrifying. It's funny
because it's not happening to me. Yeah,

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I'm horrified. Oh my god.
That was Yeah, that was for

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sure like some some shape shifting entity. Oh yeah, that wasn't. Okay,

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whatever it was. I love the
sign off. Thank you. Also,

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can I wait for the rest of
your stories? Feel free to send

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them one by one, all of
them, like whatever, you know,

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just send them. Okay, I'm
recovering still from that story. You know,

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are you prating Spanish? I am? I am Karl, And I

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said we were going to practice their
Spanish so we can sound like moras malitas,

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but we want to sound like cool
Spanish speakers. Yeah, but we

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can't. And that was evidence of
that. I have an American accent in

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Spanish for just like yeah, I
say the words, but it's like,

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yeah, a family hears us,
and like they know. They know.

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Obviously they know because they're a family, but like, yeah, like they

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know. Remember last time we were
together in Mexico or was it the time

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before that, whatever it was,
we went to that you know where the

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church is at the little Plaza.
I sent three story yes, and we

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were buying juice and then like the
guy we were buying who go from He's

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like something, We're like yeah,
yeah right away, And I was like,

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damn. I thought my Spanish was
like dec you could just tell like

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because yeah, because the way like
the accent you could tell. Yeah,

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like even if you say the words
correctly, like you're going to have an

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accent. Yeah, yeah, okay. So it's more it's more like eclipse

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lore because I try to look for
paranormal stories and not many. I was

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like, I was expecting, like
the spiritual people to have some kind of

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like you know, yeah, no, nobody. Everybody's letting me down.

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This eclipse, I bet has a
a clip story. I have to look

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through save it for the next eclipse, which is what in twenty twenty four,

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and then California and like, I
think the West Coast isn't getting one

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too, like twenty forty something or
twenty fifty something. I don't even want

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to think about that. I cank
way too far ahead. I was like,

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Oh, we're not going to have
like a total eclipse here for a

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long long time. Oh, so
I have it's more like a clipslore,

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but I thought it was interesting.
So, uh, did you guys see

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any of I just want to ask, did you guy see any weird like

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solar stuff happening? Because I posted
up pictures of my weird stuff, so

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weird son I had like the line
going through it. I don't know if

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you guys saw on Instagram or Facebook. No, I remember seeing that.

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It wasn't like anything like well,
I think it's pretty cool, but it

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wasn't like a path of totality cool. I do want to add if anyone

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is wonderam We have another episode that
the hosts of Just the Zoo of Us,

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Ellen Weatherford, and she's also on
TikTok the Zoo. Yeah, yeah,

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that's the name of her Podcast's The
Zoo of Us. It's such a

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fun podcast about animals. It's so
fun and it's kid friendly friendly. But

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she came on the podcast and she
was talking about we talked about a stories

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together, like Laura, we didn't
talk about what I'm just going to talk

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about today, but and then she
shared like her experiencing the eclipse since the

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twenty seventeen So that's good. That's
another fun listen. It was very interesting.

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After her listening to her account of
the because she was in the path

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of totality in seventeen and hearing her
experience, I was like, I understand

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why people thought that this was like
the world was going to end, or

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that monsters came from the side.
It makes complete sense, because oh my

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god, I'm sorry, this is
so going to be so off off the

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rails. Did you guys hear about
that influencer astrologer on Twitter that, yes,

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the one that killed her family?
Yeah, yes, And I think

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people kept saying the world's gonna end, the Warld's gonna end on this eclipse,

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And like, when you're not well
and you hear things like that and

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you're like influence in that manner,
you're already in the influence space or in

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the not influence, in the astrology, not new age. When you're in

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the ual age space like that,
you're already so so susceptible to like like

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thinking or conspiracies. It just evolves. And like her, she needed help

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and she didn't get it. She
was like deep into this and yeah,

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instead she got in a what is
it called when you surround yourself with people

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that think the same thing as you
there's a name for it, like a

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feedback loop type thing, you know, that's the term, but anyway,

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there's another term for it. But
instead she got stuck in that and was

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just like deeper and deeper, and
it was just feeding her unwillness. Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, a lot of
people were freaking out because too.

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They were like Jesus is coming.
Yeah, so it happens today in twenty

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twenty four, like of course,
and this is why science is important.

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Yeah, and like yeah, and
I watched it through a what is it

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called the Exploratorium the eclipse. This
time they had a scientist in Mexico,

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so they were interviewing Mexican science tists
and scientists here in California and Texas.

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So it was really nice and it
was really educational stream and I love it.

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I had my whole little like meal
session that day. I don't remember.

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It was like here I sandwich and
clam chowder. I was living the

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life. Sounds like the dream.
It was. It was a great day.

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It's a great day. And then
I had like the window open.

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It was like brazy, it was
perfect. Lunch was just amazing. But

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yeah, so it was grool lunch. Yeah, it's just well, actually

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it was better than Girl Lunch,
better than Girl Dinner, Girl Dinner.

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Okay, But what I did see
and I did want to talk about,

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was that UFO during the clips.
Did you guys see that? No,

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No, it was it was in
Texas during right, I think, right

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before Totality and they saw like this
UFO just soum buying the clouds. I

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did it. I did see it. Yeeah, I miss it. Wow,

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I remember. Now I'm going to
look it up so I can send

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it to Christina. Wow, I
saw something, but now like it's all

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like that one was freaking. I
was like, what the hell is that

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because it's it's I think in the
original video it zooms by really fast and

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it's really thin, like it's like
a line almost, And that's weird.

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That's weird. Yeah, I remember
seeing this. Mm hmm. I'm not

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interested in debunking it. Wow,
that's aliens or nothing. Oh the shadow

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of a plane. I mean it
could be because there was like a lot

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of like weird light stuff going on, but it's strange. It could be

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a bit like I'm not interested.
I'm just here for the UFO stories.

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So yeah, okay, So so
thanks to the clips. I did come

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across at I think her she it
goes by Alicia Smith art or Alicia I

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don't know which one she uses because
she's on TikTok. And she explained the

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origins of some superstitions and spiritual beliefs, and one being the belief that wearing

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red when you go outside during the
solar eclipse. Two wearing something metallic or

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reflective during the solar eclipse. Three
pregnant women should not go outside during during

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the eclipse. For if a pregnant
woman needs to go outside during the eclipse,

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she must wrap her belly in a
red cloth. And five that demons

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run around during the eclips And this
is like all stuff like growing up my

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family and my mom would be like, you know, telling you like wear

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a red which I did, well, not really, I have only black

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stuff, but I like clothing,
and I wore a red bracelet and that

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was as much color as I was
gonna count. It counts. Yeah,

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So I grew up with those superstitions
or spiritual beliefs, did you guys?

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You know, I think the not
going outside during the eclipse when you're pregnant,

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I heard that, But the rest
that the red thing even when you

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sent it to us that day,
I was like, what's going on?

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Because I didn't realize you were talking
about the eclipse to laster. I don't

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think we heard any of that growing
up though, other than not going outside

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for pregnant women but yeah, or
pregnant people but yeah, the other ones

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I had no idea, just added
to the list that the pregnant people can't

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do. Yeah, more things,
more limiting things, more limiting things.

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Yeah, but that's what I did
grow up with all five and my mom

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was like, you like, even
if we're not in the path of totality,

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were red. I was like,
I got a bracelet. As as

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it's gonna get, don't go outside. I did go outside. I did

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rebel. But that being said a
lot of people in Mexico saying those who

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went outside and didn't follow the thing, they got sick afterwards. That's about

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you get. Yeah, that's about
the only thing that I've heard paranormal come

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out from the clips that people are
getting sick like immediately after. I almost

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wonder though, if it's like,
I don't know COVID COVID from all the

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people are you're freaking yourself out,
like you're like a what is it called

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that? You know what placebo effect
is? It's better than actually yeah,

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but I heard like a lot of
people are getting sick. I'm like,

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maybe it was the crowds you were
in watching the eclips. Yeah, it

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was passed. Honestly, it looked
like a blast, but it was a

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lot of people. I would have
worn a mask either way. I don't

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know if I would have gone.
I can't do big crowds. I'm my

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shoulders shouldered people I start dying and
sign was it like that? Yeah,

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it was passed. I didn't see
the live stream of past past like it

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was. It was crazy. And
then they let's not even get started on

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the the expats over there and what
they did. Okay. I was like,

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wait, okay, no, yeah, but did you see that white

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lady from me are you with the
little girl and the newscaster? Yeah,

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over the during the clips and then
she yelled during the eclipse and she yelled

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at the kid. She's like,
this is a private viewing. And then

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the girl's like no, no,
the kind of van like you know,

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going on on, but like she's
right, it was a public space.

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It was a public space. Yeah, there's no private beaches in in I

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can't remember where it was. No, it wasn't a private beach. She

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was saying it was a private viewing
event. Yeah, yeah, private viewing

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events an eclips No, but that
was it was a it was a it

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was a public space. But she
was like yelling at the Oh my god,

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I was so freaking mad. I
was so mad. I wondered.

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I don't want to condone violence,
but some people just need to be fucking

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decked in the face, like I
just bamn, right, I was pissed.

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I was livid. I was Yeah, I would have like straight up

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just like we do not do as
I say, and do not do as

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I do either ignore me. Yeah, neither way. So the origins come

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from the verse of his mother.
Oh my god, I have a hard

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time saying this is it. Que
Yeah, Quaque became pregnant when when a

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ball of hummingbird feathers fell on her
breast. Beautiful Alicia goes on to say

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that Europeans added some lore to it, as they do. Yeah, that's

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the version I had heard before that
she gets like jealous or mad or that

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her brother is going to be born. Yeah, Shaki, I think became

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embarrassed by the way her mother became
pregnant. Then she attacked her mother so

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she could kill the Childaki had visions
of war and death that her brother would

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bring, so she tried to end
her brother and mother. However, was

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born and he was ready for battle. He cut off his sister's head and

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flung it in the sky, where
her head became the moon. Now we

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see Lopochli and Shakwi are in cosmic
battle, and when there's an eclipse,

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Coyol Shakwi is winning. And during
the eclipse, star demons called Meh attack

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the sun god and this is all
to establish Shakwi as the sixth son.

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And we are currently in the fifth
Sun. So if our sun dies,

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then the earth dies with it.
Therefore, nord living thing is safe during

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the eclipse. That Meh take this
opportunity to devour living things who are not

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protected themselves during an eclipse. How
do you protect yourself by wearing red?

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Red protects against bad energy silver because
anything that shines as sacred, but pregnant

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women should always protect themselves and stay
indoors, as the me can possess pregnant

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women and turn cause harm to the
baby and big Thank you to Alicia Smith

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for the amazing breakdown, and I
included a picture of the star Deemon in

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the notes. The CC mime no, yeah, and it's interesting because there

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is a snake coming out of an
interesting area. They're depicted as skeletal women

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fingers wearing skirts, often with skull
and crossbone designs, so I'm like,

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already kind of scary from the artwork
I've seen. They have like claws for

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hands and feet like bird cloths,
and eyes on their like knees and elbows

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and wrists and ankles, and a
snake and a snake tail coming out of

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their what or private area? I
can't tell. It's hard to tell.

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I think it's like a tale,
no or no. I guess it does

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look like it's coming out. I
mean it could be a tale, but

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like, I don't know what it
is. It is weird though, hmmm

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interesting. Oh look the CC meme
so like you said, them wrapping like

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attacking the sun during the eclipse,
so they like descend earth possess men.

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But also it said that if the
seats oh my god, scs meh,

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could not start a bow fire in
the empty chest cavity of a sacrifice human

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at the end of a fifty two
year calendar round, the fifth son would

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end. They would descend to devour
the last of men. But they're also

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like I mean, and I don't
know how accurate Wikipedia is, but related

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to fertility worshiped by midwives, I
mean that would make sense because like they

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could bring harm to the baby from
the story. So maybe like, hey,

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don't harm us, don't harm the
baby, Okay. So I have

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a few stories from Turtle Island and
the Choctaw Nation. In their beliefs,

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they run out yelling at the sky, not at anger of the sun,

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but in defense of it. Once
blames a hungry black squirrel for the disappearance

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of the sun, and according to
the article from Etlas obscura dot com,

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when the Sun began to get less
in his brightness and grow dark and obscure,

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they believed that some ethereal black squirrels
of large size, driven by hunger,

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had commenced eating him and were going
to devour him. Israel falsome a,

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I can't pronounce this the nation.
Sorry, Chuck ta chuck taw.

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I think don't cancel you, guys. I'm sorry. A minister and trail

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of tears survivor once said, according
to the Nation Historic Preservation Department, with

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this belief, they thought it was
their duty to make every exertion they could

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to save the great luminary of day
from being consumed by them. Therefore,

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every person, men, women and
children who could make a noise were called

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upon to join in the effort to
drive the squirrels away. What a unifying

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event. I was just gonna say. It sounds like very communal, like

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everyone comes together. I love that
as the sun will return, the yelling

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would turn into cheers. And this
isn't sadly widely practiced anymore, and it's

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more of an oral tradition and story
telling, though a few people are trying

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to bring it back. In the
Cherokee Nation, the tradition is yelling at

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the giant frog in the sky.
According to their traditions, once in a

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while, the giant frog gets hungry
for the sun. People of the Cherokee

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Nation would go outside and make noise, bank pots yell until the sun came

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back. Similar to the Choctawn Nation, love it, Love it, and

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the Navajo Nation and the is it
dnay? I always used to say,

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dnay, But it's done right like
a I think it's dnay or is it

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DNA Damn. I don't know.
I was just going to say the opposition

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if I feel like I've heard people
say Danny, but I don't know.

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Are you sure that? Okay,
let us know. I'm going to say

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Dnaydnay. I think Denay. You
know what's terrible. I follow like so

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many Dnay creators people on TikTok yeah, and I can and I hear them

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say it all the time, and
like suddenly when you asked, I,

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I can't remember now, I'm like, this is the same with like a

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chop taw, Like I follow a
lot of them and it's like beIN there,

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but it's like my brain goes poof. You can't English today. Yeah.

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So the nomenajo nation in the DNAE
do not go out during the eclipse.

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They also do not look at the
eclips. To them, it's very

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a very sacred phenomena. It's the
death and reburst of the sun. And

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I have a quote from the same
article and according to the statement by the

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Institute for DNAE Culture, Philosophy,
and Government, death is a sacred event

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to the DNAE, demanding the utmost
respect there is only one way to reverence

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during an eclipse. The statement reads, no shortcuts exist. Throughout the day

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of the solar event, people are
supposed to fast, stay indoors, remain

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calm, and avoid bathing. And
during the eclipse itself, people most look

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downwards like animals do. As an
example, sheep knew what to do already.

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Carlos Bagget, and Navajo culture and
language teacher at Page High School in

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Arizona, told twelve News they wouldn't
graze anymore. They would settle in,

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put their heads down, not even
sleep, just tuddle. So that tells

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you, as human beings, something
is going on with nature. So animal

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behavior guides us. And I also
know that the Navajo and the Dune and

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among I think a few other nations
if they're not even allowed to see pictures

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of the eclipse or videos of it. Yeah, I saw, and I

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had not. I had not heard
this before, but I saw on TikTok

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and Instagram, okay, all the
social media's, but there was people posting

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like, if you're going to post
pictures, put a tugger warning over it.

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So yeah, no one like of
these indigenous groups sees it because they're

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not supposed to. They're not supposed
to. Yeah, and then I didn't

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know because I'm like, I have
like family that are part Navajo, and

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I was posting it up on like
Facebook, and I was like, oh

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my god, I'm so sorry you
guys, like you're supposed to correct me

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for my penhalas. But yes,
so I hope you guys enjoyed the stories.

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I thought they were interesting. I
never heard of them. Yeah.

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I love the animal eating the sun
stories because they're like, yeah, I

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would think something was eating the sun
too. I know that's what it made

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me think of too, Like,
yeah, that's what that really is,

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what it looks like. Yeah,
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We are continuing part two of the Lebarian

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Cult the le Baron Colt because this
takes place partly in Mexico and partly in

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California and Utah. So if you
don't remember where we left off last episode,

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we are up to the point where
Joel excommunicated Irville, but Irvoll was

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like, I don't care. I'm
I'm the true leader of the Firstborn blah

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blah blah Church of lamb or whatever, that's what he named his church.

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And so I will kill you,
I guess is very nice, very nice,

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outstanding gentlemen. Yeah, yeah,
he yeah. He started preaching to

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his own followers that he was the
true leader, the one who inherited the

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Matto from Joseph Smith, and he
is the one chosen from God, not

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his brother Joel. Joel's the betrayer. He needs to pay for a betraying

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God. And he was training his
followers and arms because he was teaching them

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that like all these people were coming
after them, the Knights of Columbus,

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the FBI, but not only them, also Joel's members. He was saying,

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like the other are former like people. They're gonna come after us too,

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because like we're the right people,
not them. They need to join

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us. So that's what's going on
that he was gonna start this. There

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was gonna be this like global apocalypse
thing, and there was gonna be like

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a new religion afterward. And he
was the leader, and the false prophet

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needed to die, and the false
prophet was Joel. But Joel was like,

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no idea. I didn't know this. So yeah, that's where we're

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at. So now now we're in
part two now, So in August nineteen

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seven to Joel was going to drive
down from Las Molinos, which is in

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Baja California, to Colonel le Baron. And so I think this because once

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he made his new church of the
Firstborn of blam whatever, that's not the

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right word. But when Rvill and
Joe split and Joel Irville made his new

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church, they split off into like
three different locations. So they had the

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og Colonial le Baron in like Chihuahua. Then they also had a compound if

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whatever you want to call it,
ranch compound in San Diego. They had

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another one in Utah, somewhere in
Utah, and then like Arizona and later

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Texas. But so I believe that
this one was in San Diego where Joel

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was headed because he was like,
Rville, we gotta talk, Something's got

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to happen. We can't just like
keep doing this, and so he was

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driving down but then the car broke
down on the way and Joel was with

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his two wives and some of his
kids in the car. Uh, and

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so because it broke down, they
left it with a follower named Benkamint,

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but Joel had no idea that Ben
Hamen was actually one of Ervil's followers now

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and was not on Joel's side.
So when it was time to pick the

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car back up, it was Joel
and one of his sons who went to

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go pick it up. So Ivan, his son, waited in the car

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while Joel went into Winnicamene's house to
you know, get the keys whatever talk.

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And then Joel was ambushed by Benkamint
and then Dan Jordan, two members

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who had both joined Rvil's side.
So first they like started beating beating him

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up with a chair, but then
they just shot him after that, And

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I then heard the whole thing,
which like, that's very sad. Then

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Benkmen and Dan Jordan ran out of
the house, jumped into a station wagon

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that was like waiting for them,
and they ran off, and Ivan ran

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in the house to find his father
dead on the floor. Oh my god,

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how traumatic. Yeah, right,
And there's actually two accounts of how

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this happened. Other sources said that
Joel was not on his way to meet

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Irville when this happened. One of
Rville's followers, Daniel Jordan, who's actually

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married to one of Joel and Erville's
nieces, he went over to visit Joel

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and killed him at Joel's house.
So I'm not sure which one's correct because

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they're both white. A little reported
not sure which one it is, but

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supposedly the second version is that Dan
Jordan entered the house, shot Joel and

405
00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:41.160
then fled in a station wagon,
and Ivan was in the car or waiting

406
00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:44.799
for Joel and he went out to
go find his day in the same way

407
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:52.119
with Ivan finding his dad killed,
and Rvo justified his brother's killing because he

408
00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:56.279
had been preaching to his followers about
blood atonement for a while. Are either

409
00:30:56.319 --> 00:30:59.920
of you, I know Carmen's familiar, But MJ, are you familiar with

410
00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:07.640
blooded toement a little bit? So? Blooded tooment was once a teaching of

411
00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:12.599
the Mormon Church. Joseph Smith might
have thought of it, but Brigham Young

412
00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:17.039
widely preaches about it. He was
the first one to do that, and

413
00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:19.480
so it went like it was back
in the eighteen fifties, and blood of

414
00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:25.039
toement teaches that some sins like murder, are so bad that the only way

415
00:31:25.119 --> 00:31:30.480
the sinner can repay for the sin
they committed is to be killed. That's

416
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:33.160
the only way they can be forgiven. And originally blood of tooement was used

417
00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:37.519
as a punishment for murder. It
was called blood for blood punishment, but

418
00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:44.279
then they started using it for things
like denying the church, leaving the church,

419
00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:52.200
marrying someone outside of the church.
Damn yes. And so the Mormon

420
00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:56.440
Church first they like kind of denied
that this was a thing, and they

421
00:31:56.440 --> 00:32:02.079
were like, I mean, fundamental
Latter day Saints whatever, they believe in

422
00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:06.799
this, but we never really used
it. It was widely used when before

423
00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:12.000
like the religion split off from like
LDS FLDS. So the LDS they don't

424
00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:14.079
like, they don't do it at
all. They don't even recognize it.

425
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:21.039
But the FLDS, the fundamentalists,
they and even like only the extremists of

426
00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:25.319
the FLDS believe in it, like
the brothers that from Under the Banner of

427
00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:29.839
Heaven. Yeah, that's exactly what
I was gonna tak about talk about.

428
00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:35.759
In more recent times, bloodataement has
been used to justify the murder of murders.

429
00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:38.759
If anyone watched Under the band of
Under the Banner of Heaven, I

430
00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:45.640
didn't have to write all this down, like yes later, Yeah, Carlin

431
00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:47.920
and I watched that, and I
listened to the other book too. Yeah,

432
00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:52.480
you write the book too. Yeah. If anyone heard about the murder

433
00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:57.400
of Brenda Lafferty and fifteen month old
Erica Lafferty, her daughter in nineteen eighty

434
00:32:57.440 --> 00:33:02.160
four, the Lafferty brothers who did
this, they justified it because it was

435
00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:08.599
blood atonement supposedly, And yeah,
I mean it's horrible, but and nobody

436
00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:14.079
like this isn't a thing, but
extremists like the Lafferty brothers, or I

437
00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:21.480
was gonna say, I don't know
if this is still a practice, But

438
00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:27.960
I watch Jordan and McKay on YouTube
and their ex Mormons, and they talk

439
00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:36.039
a lot about Mormonism, Mormon influencers
and like that type of world or whatever.

440
00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:39.119
Not just Mormons, but like traditional
like fundamental Christians and stuff like that,

441
00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:44.599
but mostly Mormons. But anyway,
they I can't remember when it was

442
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:47.079
what topic they were talking about,
but they like talk about, you know,

443
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:52.200
the I don't know, like hypocrisy
of the Mormon like leadership and the

444
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:54.519
Mormon religion and blah blah all that
stuff. And they were talking about blood

445
00:33:54.519 --> 00:33:59.759
atonement and that the Mormon I don't
know, leadership whatever, teaches that it's

446
00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:01.920
not a thing anymore, it was
never a thing. And yet I want

447
00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:05.839
to say, they say, if
I remembering right, that even when they

448
00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:09.800
got married in the temple, they
do emotion like part of getting married in

449
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:15.159
the temple is they do this motion
that is blood atonement. That is the

450
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:21.960
like symbolism for blood atonement. So
they say they don't practice it or acknowledge

451
00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:25.519
it, and yet it's part of
the ritual of a temple wedding. But

452
00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:30.199
I don't. And I mean they
they're not old or anything, but like

453
00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:34.840
things could have changed since they got
Mary married. Yeah in the temple.

454
00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:37.400
Wow, I did not know that
because I was gonna say it's not a

455
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:43.480
thing, but extremists like the Levity
Brothers or ervio LeBaron still use it to

456
00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:47.039
justify the killings. But I mean, I guess in some sense it might

457
00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:52.400
still be a thing. M Isn't
that creepy? Like can you imagine getting

458
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:59.079
married like till death? Do?
Its park? Creepy? None of that's

459
00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:02.079
going to make sense if anyone's not
watching the video. We're doing a slashing

460
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:07.159
emotion on site. It's on site. Yeah, that's me too, the

461
00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:17.440
XPACT. Look, I'm not saying
it's right, but I'm saying I understand.

462
00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:31.920
So yeah, blurtomin bad not good? No in short information. So

463
00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:37.039
one month later, Joel's church members
received that letter from Irville. He said

464
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:42.480
he was not responsible for Joel's murder
and that Joel's members could either denounce Joel

465
00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:47.440
as the prophet and join him or
they didn't deserve to live. Very believable.

466
00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:52.480
Yeah, really gonna want to make
you join. And this didn't go

467
00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:53.960
like you thought it would, like
almost no one joined, of course,

468
00:35:55.360 --> 00:36:01.440
right. Instead, they chose to
follow Verlin the Other as the successor of

469
00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:06.000
Joel. And I was so sorry
because there's gonna be a lot of names

470
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:12.280
in this part. So after Joel's
killing, several members of Joel's old cult

471
00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:15.840
or church as Bolinos, they began
to fear that Rvill was going to attack

472
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:20.559
them because he, I mean,
he already killed their prophet, like that

473
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:24.320
wouldn't be much for him to then
go after all of them. And Irville

474
00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:29.239
thought that by killing Joel he'd be
able to step in easily take Joel's place

475
00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:34.280
as the leader. Of course that
didn't happen, so almost exactly one year

476
00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:39.360
later, Irvill was arrested for Joel's
murder. He was tried and sentenced to

477
00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:45.239
twenty years in Mexican jail. And
so Joel's former members they thought they could

478
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:46.199
breathe again. They were like,
Oh, we're good, We're safe.

479
00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:52.760
Wrong. In just short fourteen months, Ervill was free. Oh my god,

480
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:55.960
did he escape? He he bribed
the judge, of course he didn't.

481
00:36:57.400 --> 00:37:01.719
Yeah, And so he was out, charges dropped and everything. And

482
00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:08.320
during those fourteen months, Irville was
fucking making his lists DA lists. Yeah,

483
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:15.360
he was just sitting there ruminating,
hating Virlin. He felt betrayed by

484
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:20.519
Joel's former members, and many been
testified against him during the trial. Further,

485
00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:24.199
cementing their spot in his list.
Damn, that's so scary because they

486
00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:28.239
thought they were going to be safe
because he was sentenced to twenty years.

487
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:32.039
Oh my god. Yeah yeah.
And so after Arvil was released, he

488
00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:37.039
fled to Mexico, concerned that maybe
the authorities would change their mind about releasing

489
00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:40.599
him. And so he fled with
twenty of his wives, forty children,

490
00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:47.239
and his small amount of followers,
and they then spread out in between Arizona,

491
00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:52.559
San Diego, and Utah. And
at these encampments, Ervill's followers learned

492
00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:57.760
about explosives and rifles from Dean vest
a Vietnam veteran, and they were further

493
00:37:57.840 --> 00:38:01.480
isolated. They were taught to be
vigil because Joel's followers were going to come

494
00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:04.920
back and attack them, That's what
he was telling them. So he trained

495
00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:07.679
them like an army, like a
little militia, like a little Mormon militia.

496
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:13.880
And in Las Molinos, they were
scared and they had a reason Erville

497
00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:20.679
was out and about they're other training
too. Oh my god. See.

498
00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:24.639
And during his time in jail Irville, he came out with a vengeance.

499
00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:29.599
He received visions in jail. These
visions told him, well, he already

500
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:35.079
knew that Verlin needed to die.
Oh my god, of course, yes.

501
00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:44.559
So members of lasts Las Molinos.
Members of Las Molinos built a watch

502
00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:47.800
tower, they put sirens in around
their little ranch. They formed the watch

503
00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:52.480
groups because they were scared and they
again had a reason to be. So

504
00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:58.159
meanwhile, Irville moved around Arizona,
San Diego, Utah, a lot of

505
00:38:58.239 --> 00:39:00.440
moving. And also, I will
I didn't put in my notes, but

506
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:05.679
I will read this from a People
article that I found. So while they're

507
00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:09.000
moving around like they're living in poverty, like all of the members, I

508
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:13.159
think by the end they were like
not sure if he had like fifty children

509
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:16.000
in total or more. Oh my
god, yes, yes. And people

510
00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:21.239
complain about Nick Kevin, He's not
even on this level. It's so funny

511
00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:27.199
in that documentary the Liberian kids,
of course now adults that are talking about

512
00:39:27.199 --> 00:39:31.320
it all, and they themselves try
to count up how many siblings there are,

513
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:37.639
and they can't even agree on a
number, but it's like fifty something.

514
00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:40.519
They end up it's like somewhere in
the fifties. I do have a

515
00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:45.400
question. You guys probably know the
answer. But remember a few years ago

516
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:50.079
in Mexico there was like the shootout
and then like the kids were in like

517
00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:52.920
a vam. Yes it was the
Lebrons, was them, right? Yeah?

518
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:55.079
Because I know they had like a
lot of people like, oh my

519
00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:59.199
god, can't believe they pat I'm
like, okay, I understand the kids,

520
00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:01.800
but the parents were in to some
like cartel shady shit, but they

521
00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:07.199
didn't publish size that in the States, and they made them look like these

522
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:09.440
They actually like made them look like
saints. But I was like, wait,

523
00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:12.599
no, no, no, they
weren't into like I don't know if

524
00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:15.159
it was arm dealing or drug dealing
like the parents were. It was something

525
00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:21.280
shady, yeah, and they were
their own little version of like like Mormon

526
00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:25.519
cartel m hm. And in the
States they didn't publish that, and I

527
00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:28.679
was like and then I saw people
like how can like you know this?

528
00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:32.000
I remember in the States were like
this is who? Thence I'm like,

529
00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:36.199
oh, well, are you gonna
go you know? And then I commented

530
00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:38.519
on one of them, oh are
you gonna like condemn them because they had

531
00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:42.679
their own little cartel and they were
doing shady shit. Oh but you didn't

532
00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:46.440
hear that in the news, right, And so pissed off. I remember

533
00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:52.360
being pissed off because people weren't talking
about them being into like some shady legal

534
00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:57.039
shit even for you know, yeah, I had not realized these were the

535
00:40:57.039 --> 00:41:00.480
same libearons until you mentioned that song. I'm glad you, yeah, because

536
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:02.639
it popped up because I remember,
Wait, there was like those like cartel

537
00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:10.239
Mormons in Mexico, like what they
call him the cartel Mormon. Yeah.

538
00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:15.239
Yeah. One of their daughters in
that documentary said that people come up with

539
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:20.960
different numbers depending on different circumstances.
Circumstances polygamous mouth is hard. Yeah.

540
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:23.880
And then what's his name is also
related to them? Was it Mitt Romney?

541
00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:28.440
Really? Oh shit, No way, I didn't know that. Oh

542
00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:31.239
that I didn't know. I'm pretty
sure. I'm pretty sure he's related to

543
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:38.679
them. He's related to some Mormon
family in Mexico. And I'm thinking,

544
00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:42.880
and if I remember her correctly,
it was like the Mormon because they were

545
00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:46.440
talking about his relation to the Mormon
family in Mexico when the shooting happened.

546
00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:52.199
There's another set when I was gonna
say, because isn't Rulon Alred wasn't he

547
00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:57.320
It could be that too. He
was born in a compound like this,

548
00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:00.639
a different one a different Colonna.
It could be something else. But yeah,

549
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:07.119
but I remember, like Mitt Romney
got dragged into the to the conversation

550
00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:12.880
because they said that Mitt Romney had
found like was somehow connected to the cartel

551
00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:16.039
Mormons. But yeah, but if
it was cartel Mormons, and it could

552
00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:19.719
have been the Libarion like even I
mean, I don't know if it was

553
00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:22.599
family or like on a social setting, it is the Liberians. I just

554
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:27.840
uh, well, the nine victims
of the in the shooting, but I

555
00:42:27.880 --> 00:42:31.280
mean sadly there are they were well, there was three women and fourteen children

556
00:42:31.480 --> 00:42:37.119
and they were ambushed. It's terrible
because there's so many children on the compound.

557
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:42.519
But they are descendants of the Libarons. Yeah. Wow, so it

558
00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:45.079
was Colonia. It was the Colonel
le Broon. Yes. Oh oh,

559
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:51.119
so let's see many Mormons who supported
Peliami fled to Mexico, Canada. We

560
00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:54.920
talked about that last time in Mexican
mid Mexico. Oh, they talked about

561
00:42:54.920 --> 00:43:01.239
the Liberian the area in Chihuahua that's
had or whatever that they settled there.

562
00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:10.079
And among these settlers included Miles Park
Romney, the great grandfather of Romney and

563
00:43:10.199 --> 00:43:15.360
his father was born in Mexico.
Yeah, I knew he had twice.

564
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:20.000
I was entirely sure. Okay,
but Miles only had four wives, so

565
00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:28.320
only and yeah he moved to in
eighteen eighty five. Okay, yeah,

566
00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:37.400
wow. I mean it is a
small for Mormons, especially the fundamental ones,

567
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:39.440
because it's even a smaller group.
You know, it's like a subsect

568
00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:44.000
of a subsect or whatever. I'm
using words right, which I might not

569
00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:46.760
be, I think, so yeah, but yeah, while they were moving

570
00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:52.880
around from like these different states,
between these compounds of Vervo's group or cults

571
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:57.639
or whatever, the children recall they
were living in fear of him. They

572
00:43:57.639 --> 00:44:00.960
were moving frequently because their vale was
trying to avoid law enforcement. They had

573
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:06.039
no running water. They would bathe
in these galvanized tubs once a week.

574
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:10.760
They rarely, rarely had shoes.
They didn't have electricity. They had to

575
00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:17.800
steal clothes from donation boxes from donation
box uh huh, yeah, how does

576
00:44:17.800 --> 00:44:21.400
that work? No? But I
mean, like, why would you steal

577
00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:23.519
from their donation because they had no
money. No, they weren't. They

578
00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:28.360
weren't donation for them. You know
the boxes that they you put stuff in

579
00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:31.599
and then they shipped them off to
like other countries. Oh, I had

580
00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:36.199
no idea. I thought it was
like meant like some kind of like it

581
00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:39.639
wasn't like donation. No, oh
okay, okay, it's like yeah,

582
00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:43.519
those boxes that are like on the
street, and so then like they would

583
00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:46.679
open it and then the smallest one
would get insigned and start throwing stuff out,

584
00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:50.960
and then they would like you know, rummage through it and find what

585
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:54.039
they could. Oh okay, Oh
that's horrible. That'sn't that. If you

586
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:59.239
watch the documentary it's on Hulu.
God, what's it called. I can't

587
00:44:59.239 --> 00:45:02.199
not remember Daughters of the Cold.
Yes, than the Netflix documentary, but

588
00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:07.039
you can see all about that Hulu. What are Netflix? Thank you?

589
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:13.880
Yeah, Hulu. So that's why
they were living like terrible, terrible way

590
00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:15.960
to grow up. Yeah, they
were going from place to place because he

591
00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:22.159
was a faiting the police. He
created this environment of paranoia, further indoctrinating

592
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:27.920
his followers because now they were soldiers. He made them soldiers and so Irville.

593
00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:34.119
He had been working on this manifesto
and he had finished it and he

594
00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:42.559
had two of his followers deliver it
to Last Molinos. Molinos, Last Molinos.

595
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:47.159
I need to stop. So this
manifesto was called Hour of Crisis.

596
00:45:47.199 --> 00:45:54.320
They have vengeance sounds intense. Yeah. Yeah. When to his followers walked

597
00:45:54.360 --> 00:46:00.280
up to deliver this manifesto, the
people Joel's people, they were like,

598
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:01.960
what the fuck? You should be
in jail. They were so scared,

599
00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:07.800
like why are they just walking?
Oh my god, imagine seeing him,

600
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:10.320
someone he thought was gonna be put
away over twenty years. Yeah, just

601
00:46:10.360 --> 00:46:15.079
walking around. And so these two
it was eighty two pages this manifesto,

602
00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:19.480
and a lot of it was incoherent. Of course, there was one promise.

603
00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:25.039
This promise was that he swore vengines
to any one who failed to follow

604
00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:29.920
the word of the Lord. And
obviously this was disturbing because Irwell considered himself

605
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:34.239
to be the word of the Lord
and if the Joel's people were not following

606
00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:38.400
Irvil, then they deserve to die. Wow. And he was announcing it

607
00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:44.320
in his little manifesto eighty two page
manifesto. That's not a little manifesto.

608
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:47.480
Yeah, that's why I added,
I corrected his little eighty two pages and

609
00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:58.559
little yeah, one page, little
eighty two pages. No, he got

610
00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:07.440
it. So then on December twenty
sixth, nineteen seventy four, before nine

611
00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:13.760
pm, two vehicles approached Las Molinos. They were carrying four of Rville's most

612
00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:17.239
trusted men. They had stolen a
pickup truck filled with Molotov cocktails and a

613
00:47:17.320 --> 00:47:22.760
lot of guns, enough guns to
arma a small army, because that's what

614
00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:28.039
they were. They snuck into Las
Molinos last, yes, Las Molinos,

615
00:47:28.039 --> 00:47:34.639
at nine pm. These four men, they set fire to the watch tower

616
00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:37.760
because there was the tallest building in
the town. They threw a Molotov cocktail

617
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:42.320
at it, and while people ran
to put out the fire, they opened

618
00:47:42.360 --> 00:47:45.639
fire at them. Oh my god, what horrible. So then they broke

619
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:50.960
up into two groups. Some were
on foot and the other two were in

620
00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:53.320
the truck, and they headed towards
Rolin's house, but they didn't know that

621
00:47:53.360 --> 00:47:59.280
he wasn't there. They shot into
the house, They threw hand had made

622
00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:06.239
bombs at Verlin's house, and uh
they also set fire to it. Luckily,

623
00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:09.280
Verlin's wife, first wife, fled
with all the kids in the house

624
00:48:09.320 --> 00:48:14.519
when she heard gunshots. And what
the group wanted was to lure Verlin out

625
00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:19.480
to kill him, but that didn't
happen because Verlin fled. He took these

626
00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:24.719
threats from what's his name his brother
seriously from Irville. Verlin or Irville.

627
00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:29.920
Soitching between the two is brough for
me, as everything is. So Verlin

628
00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:32.800
took the threat seriously, and he
had fled to Nicaragua, and he left

629
00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:37.760
his family behind. Every man for
themselves. I guess, right, every

630
00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:44.519
Erville, I mean Verlin, Erlin. That's gonna say Mervin's Mervin. You

631
00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:49.559
gotta say every Irv sounding name.
Yeah. So yeah, they didn't find

632
00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:52.079
Verlin, and they stopped attacking the
town by ten PM and they fled.

633
00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:58.159
By the end of it, four
women and eleven men were shot to two

634
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:00.800
of them were actually teens, and
two of them died. There was twenty

635
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:07.079
four homes that had burned down to
the ground. Lasmolinos didn't have a working

636
00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:09.960
phone, so they couldn't even dial
nine one one, oh wow. They

637
00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:15.119
had to throw the injured into their
cars trucks and drive them to the nearest

638
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:19.360
clinics. So the raid was a
failure. And Erville's like, all right,

639
00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:22.679
well, I gotta keep trying to
kill Vilin. But for a moment,

640
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:27.559
he had bigger things to worry about. Because of the raid attempt,

641
00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:31.480
I started scarce some members of Rville's
coat, right, and one of these

642
00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:36.639
members was Noahmi Serat, who was
Mecha. Means that at this wife,

643
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:40.039
he's the one who killed Joel,
right, yes, So she started getting

644
00:49:40.039 --> 00:49:43.719
scared and she started letting other people
know, like she went it out.

645
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:46.599
She wanted to escape and she was
going to go to the authorities about what

646
00:49:46.639 --> 00:49:52.679
she knew. And so Rville heard
this and she needed to be silenced.

647
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:59.159
No I was like, please survive. Damn. He ordered two of his

648
00:49:59.199 --> 00:50:01.639
wives to kill no That's another fucking
thing about evil. He didn't do any

649
00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:05.000
of these killings. He was over
there ordering like a little bit instead of

650
00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:08.000
doing himself. That's why they call
him the Mormon Charles Manson, Yeah,

651
00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:12.480
Mormon Manson. Yeah. So yeah, he ordered two of his wives to

652
00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:16.519
kill Noami for this, Fonda White
and Jolandarrios. So they invited Miami for

653
00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:22.679
a drive and they had been friends
for years and that's so terrible. Yeah,

654
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:28.760
So Noami trusted them obviously, and
as the sun was setting, Yolanda

655
00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:32.719
drove into a ravine, suddenly stopped
the car, ordered Miami out of the

656
00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:40.360
car. Then Vanda got out and
fired multiple shop gone killing Miami. Yeah,

657
00:50:40.519 --> 00:50:43.840
that's like, that's so fucked up. Like, if you're gonna kill

658
00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:45.000
someone, be upfront about it,
you know, like, hey, I'm

659
00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:50.559
gonna kill you right now. Like, oh well yeah that too. Someone's

660
00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:53.679
going with you because of your friend
and they trust you. No, that's

661
00:50:53.800 --> 00:51:00.360
not terrible. Yeah. And so
then these two women dug for hours to

662
00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:04.320
only dig like the most shallow grave
because they couldn't dig that much, and

663
00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:10.559
then covered Miami and left. Yeah, and then they left so to Irville.

664
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:15.239
This was a success. They got
away with it, but that wasn't

665
00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:19.800
enough. That wasn't enough for Erville. So in nineteen seventy five, that

666
00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:24.679
raid that they did on Virlin's community
financially hit Irville, and so he started

667
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:30.440
looking for more funding. He had
members in different states where they were located,

668
00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:35.800
so like San Diego, Utah,
Arizona, they had them. He

669
00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:40.159
had them open hardware stores where they
would work along with their children and give

670
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:43.920
this to the church, this money, whatever money they made. And so

671
00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:47.480
although some of these stores ended up
doing okay, the members were not receiving

672
00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:51.280
any of this. So they were
still living in poverty. And these children

673
00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:57.159
were working like twelve hour fucking daies
that's what they do. Yeah, they

674
00:51:57.159 --> 00:52:00.880
took him out of school by fourth
fifth grade so they could keep working at

675
00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:05.880
these stores. And so then that
wasn't enough money. Still, he started

676
00:52:05.880 --> 00:52:09.360
trying to convince new rich members to
join by offering them young underage wives.

677
00:52:09.880 --> 00:52:15.960
What the fuck, it's not like
we're talking about human trafficking. Oh,

678
00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:20.639
one hundred percent. Yeah, So
he married his own fifteen year old daughter

679
00:52:20.719 --> 00:52:25.800
off to a man named Victor Chinowith, who was the brother of his own

680
00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:32.559
fifth wife. What disgusting, discussing
shit really so cross, Oh my god.

681
00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:39.960
And then Arville married Victor's younger sister, seventeen year old Rena shinow and

682
00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:45.760
that was his thirteenth and final wife. But also Verlin had been molesting her

683
00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:49.320
for five years already. Oh wow, she was seventeen. Oh my god.

684
00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:57.280
Disgusting. So that brought in some
money because Victor Chinowth was like a

685
00:52:57.280 --> 00:53:00.360
successful businessman in Utah. And then
on top of that, Arville also started

686
00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:06.239
trying to go to smaller Mormon FLDS
communities to try and get them to join

687
00:53:06.280 --> 00:53:08.880
his church, to get them to
pay tidings. And then when they didn't

688
00:53:08.920 --> 00:53:12.280
do this, he was like,
all right, well I have the right

689
00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:16.119
to kill them. Blood atonement because
they didn't give tidians to his church.

690
00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:21.800
God. What Yeah, insane,
absolutely insane. It just gets worse and

691
00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:24.559
worse. Like it's already bad,
but as time goes on, it just

692
00:53:24.679 --> 00:53:28.000
keeps getting worse. You're like,
when is it gonna stop? And it

693
00:53:28.039 --> 00:53:32.480
doesn't. Never, it will keep
getting worse. Wow. So in April

694
00:53:32.599 --> 00:53:37.320
nineteen seventy five, he ordered the
killing of Bob Simons, who was a

695
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:44.000
polygamist who believed God gave him the
mission to minister to indigenous people and convert

696
00:53:44.039 --> 00:53:47.880
them leave them alone, I know. So he of course didn't do it

697
00:53:47.960 --> 00:53:53.360
himself. He had one of his
followers do it. They pretended to want

698
00:53:53.400 --> 00:53:58.320
to convert to Bob's church. The
follower picked up Bob because they were gonna

699
00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:00.599
go meet with some other people to
talk about this. They drove for miles.

700
00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:04.239
The follower was like, oh,
I gotta get out and pee,

701
00:54:04.280 --> 00:54:07.440
and so he stopped. He stopped
the car in like this middle of nowhere

702
00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:10.360
road. Bob Simon's got out of
the car to stretch. When he did,

703
00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:15.280
he was ambushed by two other followers
of Irville, who then shot him.

704
00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:19.800
They took his money, which was
four dollars for tidings. Oh my

705
00:54:19.880 --> 00:54:25.239
god, wow, four dollars next
on Ervill's hit list, because that's basically

706
00:54:25.239 --> 00:54:31.639
what it is. Yeah. So
Dean Grover Vest the guy I mentioned earlier

707
00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:37.760
who trained everyone because he was a
Vietnam veteran, He had been talking about

708
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:42.559
attempting to leave the church because his
wife had already left. All the violence

709
00:54:42.639 --> 00:54:45.840
was too much for her. She
took the kids and she fled to Washington,

710
00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:47.400
and he was distraught. He was
like, I need to go,

711
00:54:47.480 --> 00:54:51.880
I need to go. So his
plan was to sell this boat he was

712
00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:55.760
refixing, or he was fixing make
five thousand dollars off of it, and

713
00:54:55.800 --> 00:55:00.599
then join her in Washington. That
was his plan. But this may Irville

714
00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:05.519
super mad because one Dean was his
right hand man, he was his commander,

715
00:55:05.639 --> 00:55:08.960
his military commander. Plus he was
gonna have five thousand dollars and not

716
00:55:09.079 --> 00:55:14.960
give them to him for the church. So this made Irville super mad,

717
00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:20.920
and he had another revelation. He
was told from God that Dean needed to

718
00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:22.920
die. But you know, Irville
wasn't gonna do it himself, so he

719
00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:28.880
told his tenth wife, Vonda White, that God told her she needed to

720
00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:34.800
kill Deean. So on June sixteenth, nineteen seventy five, Dean was told

721
00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:37.360
that his family had gotten in a
car accident in Washington. On his way

722
00:55:37.400 --> 00:55:40.800
to the airport, he stopped at
Vanda White's house. He was just going

723
00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:44.639
to pick up some boxes that he
had left there. And when he got

724
00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:49.079
there, she sent her kids upstairs, told them don't come downstairs at all

725
00:55:49.159 --> 00:55:52.440
for any reason whatsoever. And she
asked Dean if he could take a look

726
00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:55.280
at her sink because it was like
dripping or whatever, like, please fix

727
00:55:55.320 --> 00:55:59.679
my sink. I'm a helpless woman. And so he crawled to get under

728
00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:04.679
the scene. And then she grabbed
her gun, like pulled it out from

729
00:56:04.760 --> 00:56:07.559
underneath her shirt or something, and
fired twice. Also, she was six

730
00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:13.400
months pregnant when this happened. Oh
my god. Yeah, when she shot

731
00:56:13.480 --> 00:56:16.000
there was blood everywhere. It was
a mess. And so she called the

732
00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:21.960
police and said that two other people
tried to kill him, like help,

733
00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:24.599
two people just tried to come kill
me and Dean, but they only killed

734
00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:29.320
Dean. So they arrived, but
there wasn't enough evidence to charge her with

735
00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:31.920
anything. Wow. And then they
talked to her kids, but they didn't

736
00:56:32.199 --> 00:56:37.119
admit anything because they were well trained
to you know, they weren't gonna say

737
00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:40.440
anything, and so she was released
but instructed not to leave town. But

738
00:56:40.559 --> 00:56:45.719
she did. She fled to another
one of the compounds. And so then

739
00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:50.960
while all this is happening, the
people of Las Molinos, they were lobbying

740
00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:55.719
to the Mexican government to have Rville
arrested and his followers. So while Rville

741
00:56:55.719 --> 00:57:00.719
was in chihuah Wa with one of
the men who had killed Joel, the

742
00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:05.239
pair, they were spotted and they
were arrested, and so there was a

743
00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:08.239
trial on March sixth. It went
into the summer of nineteen seventy six.

744
00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:14.519
Countless of Joel's church members, the
firstborn of the fullness of Time, testified,

745
00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:19.360
and so did Erville's mother. M
m she said, my son's a

746
00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:27.639
killer. Wow. But Erville's followers
smuggled money to the judge and he was

747
00:57:27.719 --> 00:57:30.840
le oh, but oh my god, stop it. Don't you see what

748
00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:37.199
happened the last time you let him
leave? Yeah? Yeah, So he

749
00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:40.920
fled, of course, and he
yeah, he was escaped. He escaped

750
00:57:40.920 --> 00:57:45.960
the law once again. But the
trouble wasn't over for him, because it

751
00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:49.960
never is. So will all this
is going on, He's back into one

752
00:57:49.960 --> 00:57:54.039
of his compounds whatever. His daughter, Rebecca had been sent to Mary Victor

753
00:57:54.119 --> 00:57:58.719
Shinoweth. If we remember when she
was fifteen, she's now seventeen. This

754
00:57:58.760 --> 00:58:02.440
is two years later. She's having
issues, she's having what they're calling emotional

755
00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:09.000
outbursts and tantrums. She is stealing
and binge eating. But also like it

756
00:58:09.039 --> 00:58:13.280
wasn't her fall. Obviously she was
trafficed to this. She's trying to manage

757
00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:20.400
all of her you know, emotions
of being traffic by her father to this

758
00:58:20.519 --> 00:58:22.920
man and this this is the man
that was molesting her too, right or

759
00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:28.079
no, no, no that it
was Irvil. No, sorry, that

760
00:58:28.239 --> 00:58:37.079
was Verbin Irvil, Irvill's new wife, got it, got it? Yeah,

761
00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:44.679
I said, there was a lot
of but still don't burn the whole

762
00:58:44.679 --> 00:58:47.719
family, you know. Yeah,
but still like her being you know,

763
00:58:47.960 --> 00:58:53.960
young, Yeah, and then abused
by this man because he's an adult,

764
00:58:54.000 --> 00:59:00.079
asked grow my god. Also like
the first wife treated her horrible. Ugh.

765
00:59:00.519 --> 00:59:05.000
Yeah. So then she also had
a baby during this two years,

766
00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:08.360
and the baby was taken from her
to be raised by their first wife.

767
00:59:08.440 --> 00:59:14.880
Oh my god, that is horrible. Yeah. She was sent away to

768
00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:17.360
another state to work in a hardware
store. In one of the hardware stores

769
00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:22.239
they had, and she was like
screaming at customers, refusing to work and

770
00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:27.920
threatening to expose the church for everything
that had happened to her. At this

771
00:59:28.039 --> 00:59:32.199
point, she was preaking with her
second child, and so in May nineteen

772
00:59:32.239 --> 00:59:36.719
seventy seven, Rville told her,
Rebecca, his daughter, that she was

773
00:59:36.760 --> 00:59:39.239
going to be reunited with her son, and she was so happy. She

774
00:59:39.320 --> 00:59:43.480
was so happy. It was a
line, wasn't it. He sent to

775
00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:45.800
his followers that were going to drive
her to the airport, and the whole

776
00:59:45.800 --> 00:59:49.559
time she was talking about how excited
she was. She was going to take

777
00:59:49.559 --> 00:59:52.239
her son to Mexico. That's where
she was going to have her second child,

778
00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:57.320
and maybe they could even live there. She was making plans and again

779
00:59:57.400 --> 01:00:01.159
she was so happy, and suddenly
men pulled over. They climbed into the

780
01:00:01.199 --> 01:00:07.320
backseat and they started to strangle her
while she was pregnant, yes, yes,

781
01:00:08.239 --> 01:00:12.400
with the second child. Yeah.
She fought and fought and it took

782
01:00:12.440 --> 01:00:15.199
them twenty minutes, but they killed
her. My god, she wanted to

783
01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:22.519
live like. That's horrible, it
is. It's that's why Aqua Tofana was

784
01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:29.639
saying, Yeah, ain't that's the
truth. It's terrible and so they buried

785
01:00:29.679 --> 01:00:34.639
her in the Oklahoma State Park.
They drove back to Dallas gave Irville his

786
01:00:34.679 --> 01:00:37.079
car back because it was Rville's car
that they did this in. Of course

787
01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:40.679
it was, yeah, of course
it was, and they gave it back.

788
01:00:40.760 --> 01:00:45.039
There was bloodstains in the back and
the trunk, I think. And

789
01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:50.239
then Ervil was furious. But like
with this, he showed that not even

790
01:00:50.280 --> 01:00:54.440
his own daughter was exempt from no
one is safe, no no one,

791
01:00:54.760 --> 01:01:00.800
no one. So when person was
like able to escape Virlin and Erlin,

792
01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:06.599
Irville and his blood atonement list right, this was Verlin and so yeah,

793
01:01:06.599 --> 01:01:09.599
he was still not dead and this
made Irvil very mad. So he devised

794
01:01:09.599 --> 01:01:14.840
a plan that he hoped would bring
Verlin out of hiding. He decided that

795
01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:19.559
he needed to kill Rulon Alred,
who we talked about in the last episode.

796
01:01:19.719 --> 01:01:22.920
The two brothers were part of his
church for a while, Joel and

797
01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:29.599
Irville, and he's also this like
other big FLDS leader who had like a

798
01:01:29.639 --> 01:01:34.480
bigger church like a thousand plus members, also did some fucked up shit they

799
01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:38.880
all do. Of course, yeah, Rulan Alred had already made Irvil mad

800
01:01:38.920 --> 01:01:43.480
because he didn't pay tidings to him, so he was already on his list.

801
01:01:43.960 --> 01:01:46.800
So he decided that yeah, Rulan
needed to die, and he believed

802
01:01:46.800 --> 01:01:52.199
that Verlin would attend because he would
not miss the opportunity to proach his followers.

803
01:01:52.599 --> 01:01:57.039
So on May tenth, nineteen seventy
seven, Erville's thirteen wife, Rina

804
01:01:57.119 --> 01:02:01.960
Shinowet, and one of his stepdaughters
were Mona Marston, wore wigs and other

805
01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:07.079
disguises and they went into Alred's medical
office where they shot him, emptying a

806
01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:12.679
twenty five caliber pistol into him,
and his funeral was four days later.

807
01:02:13.280 --> 01:02:16.760
During the funeral, four of Rville's
men were ready for Verlin. Their plan

808
01:02:16.960 --> 01:02:22.559
was to four of them enter from
different parts of the building because it was

809
01:02:22.599 --> 01:02:24.440
held out of high school and so
they were going to enter for a different

810
01:02:24.440 --> 01:02:29.360
parts. They were each armed and
whoever Sawverilan first was supposed to fire.

811
01:02:29.760 --> 01:02:31.679
That was a plan, but when
they got there they didn't expect to see

812
01:02:31.719 --> 01:02:35.920
so many people. It was so
packed, so they left. They were

813
01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:38.559
like, we're not going to do
this, and Rville was furious, but

814
01:02:38.800 --> 01:02:44.760
they it was getting too much for
them, so they fled into Mexico.

815
01:02:44.920 --> 01:02:49.639
Orville and some of his lieutenants,
and so when he fled with some of

816
01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:52.440
the top leaders of his cold,
things started to fall apart in the other

817
01:02:52.519 --> 01:02:58.519
compounds. One of the first compounds
to fall apart was Dallas then went in

818
01:02:58.599 --> 01:03:02.559
Dallas, Texas, and that was
because of Earville's first wife, Delfina Saledo.

819
01:03:04.000 --> 01:03:08.000
So Delfina started asking questions about Rebecca, Oh my god, her daughter,

820
01:03:08.039 --> 01:03:10.920
Oh my god, and people were
like, oh, we don't know,

821
01:03:10.960 --> 01:03:15.239
We don't know until June eighth,
nineteen seventy seven, when Lilia,

822
01:03:15.360 --> 01:03:20.800
Delfina's daughter, told her the truth
that Irville had her killed. So then

823
01:03:20.840 --> 01:03:24.840
Delfina started screaming at everyone, like
you murdered my child, natural reactions.

824
01:03:24.840 --> 01:03:29.599
She was so upset. The people
that were around her were like, oh,

825
01:03:29.599 --> 01:03:34.920
Rebecca brought her on herself, like
because she's sinned. Wow. And

826
01:03:35.000 --> 01:03:37.280
so then her son in law,
Delfina's son in law was like, oh,

827
01:03:37.280 --> 01:03:40.039
well, I gotta go to the
warehouse for a second, and she

828
01:03:40.079 --> 01:03:44.039
froze because she was pretty sure he
was going to go get like a weapon

829
01:03:44.079 --> 01:03:46.760
to kill her on the spot.
So then she apologized for her outbursts and

830
01:03:46.800 --> 01:03:50.639
that she would stay quiet about the
murder. She wouldn't say anything, but

831
01:03:50.719 --> 01:03:53.000
that night then they believed her.
But that night she escaped with her ten

832
01:03:53.079 --> 01:03:57.440
year old daughter, and the next
morning they went straight to the police.

833
01:03:57.719 --> 01:04:01.880
Good for her, mm hmm yeah. And then police started hunting down all

834
01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:04.840
the cult members over the next two
years, and they had already been searching

835
01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:11.280
for Ervil for a while too.
Rina Shinewitz, she's the one who killed

836
01:04:11.599 --> 01:04:15.440
Rulan al Read. She was found
first, and she was tried, she

837
01:04:15.519 --> 01:04:20.079
was arrested, but the jury they
could not believe the insane story about these

838
01:04:20.119 --> 01:04:26.719
like two fighting church factions. Oh
my god, so they acquitted her.

839
01:04:27.559 --> 01:04:30.880
Oh my god. I'm sorry,
but that's the most believable thing, because

840
01:04:31.119 --> 01:04:36.960
do people not remember the Crusades the
conquistadors right now? They don't even think

841
01:04:36.960 --> 01:04:40.519
about that. They're like, what
do you mean that this poor religious lady

842
01:04:40.599 --> 01:04:45.039
would do something like this. I'm
like, that's the most believable thing.

843
01:04:45.119 --> 01:04:49.719
Have you have any of these people
read world history? No, she confessed

844
01:04:49.719 --> 01:04:55.280
everything eleven years later in her memoir
and that's where the details about his murder

845
01:04:55.280 --> 01:04:58.559
come out from. And then after
that, Vonda White was arrested, but

846
01:04:58.599 --> 01:05:03.079
she was not as lucky. She
was found guilty for Dean vest his murder

847
01:05:03.119 --> 01:05:06.840
on May thirteen, nineteen seventy nine. June first, nineteen seventy nine,

848
01:05:06.920 --> 01:05:13.239
Irvo's ranch was raided in Mexico and
chihuawa His ranch was raided and he was

849
01:05:13.280 --> 01:05:15.519
handed over to the US six days
later. But he was like, beat

850
01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:18.880
the fuck up. The Mexican police
just beat him up. He was bruised

851
01:05:18.880 --> 01:05:23.400
and swollen everywhere. Wow, oh, thoughts and prayers. They handed him

852
01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:27.159
over. Then the trial took place
May twelve, nineteen eighty. Many people

853
01:05:27.199 --> 01:05:31.559
defended him, others testified against him, including his own son, Isaac Leberon.

854
01:05:32.320 --> 01:05:36.679
Mostly because of Isaac Leberon's testimony,
he was found guilty on May twenty

855
01:05:36.719 --> 01:05:41.760
eighth and sentenced to life in prison. Wow. Good, Yeah, and

856
01:05:41.880 --> 01:05:45.760
Irville. He spent a year writing
another manifesto. Of course, it was

857
01:05:45.920 --> 01:05:50.000
six hundred pages long. Oh my
god, and I thought I couldn't get

858
01:05:50.039 --> 01:05:55.000
longer than eighty something pages. Wow
you thought, you thought? Yeah.

859
01:05:55.440 --> 01:05:58.920
This one was called the Book of
the New Covenants. In it, he

860
01:05:59.039 --> 01:06:01.719
detailed the succession of the first born
of the Church of Lamb of God.

861
01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:08.119
His eldest son was going to be
the next leader. There was also a

862
01:06:08.199 --> 01:06:12.719
list of fifty people that were due
for blood atonement, including Isaac Lebaran for

863
01:06:12.840 --> 01:06:17.159
testifying against him, also officers and
detectives. Okay, I have a question.

864
01:06:17.280 --> 01:06:21.719
So technically any type of murder needs
blood atonement, So wouldn't it just

865
01:06:21.760 --> 01:06:27.039
be continuously murder murder? Murder murder, because even if you murder for blood

866
01:06:27.039 --> 01:06:30.400
atonement, it's murder, so therefore
you have to get murdered. No,

867
01:06:30.519 --> 01:06:31.679
they don't think of it that way, you would think. But no,

868
01:06:32.679 --> 01:06:35.880
the ones issuing the blood atonement,
they can murder whoever they want. Yeah,

869
01:06:35.920 --> 01:06:40.000
comparent Yeah, you think that they
would be the one that's wants to

870
01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:42.920
be murdered. Yeah, I mean
I think like somebody else could be like,

871
01:06:43.000 --> 01:06:45.480
oh, blood and toement for you
because it's murder. But yeah,

872
01:06:45.559 --> 01:06:49.599
yeah, they themselves, they like
justify it in there because they're doing blood

873
01:06:49.599 --> 01:06:55.920
atonement, so it doesn't count like
in their heads. Yeah fucked. Yeah,

874
01:06:55.960 --> 01:07:00.840
they're like this murder is okay because
it's for blood atonement. Yeah.

875
01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:04.119
So on August sixteenth, nineteen eighty
one, a prison guard passed by Rville

876
01:07:04.119 --> 01:07:08.840
doing push ups and whatever. It
was fine. He passed by again three

877
01:07:08.840 --> 01:07:12.679
hours later, and Rville was laid
out on the floor with his hand across

878
01:07:12.679 --> 01:07:15.840
his chest because he suffered a heart
attack. He died. Oh wow.

879
01:07:15.920 --> 01:07:21.559
That same morning, Verlin died in
a car crash in Mexico. That is

880
01:07:21.760 --> 01:07:30.360
weird. His Virlin's like family members, followers, they don't think it was

881
01:07:30.400 --> 01:07:34.679
a coincidence. Other people started believing
that Irville was killing from the beyond.

882
01:07:35.440 --> 01:07:40.119
I mean I could see why they
would think that, Yeah, because he

883
01:07:40.679 --> 01:07:45.119
had his manifesto, and then people
started dying in his manifesto, including Verlin.

884
01:07:45.599 --> 01:07:48.159
Isaac le Baron was found dead on
June twenty first, nineteen eighty three,

885
01:07:48.800 --> 01:07:51.599
in the room with his sisters.
He was shot in the head and

886
01:07:51.639 --> 01:07:59.079
it was ruled a suicide because he
had spent some time in a asylum.

887
01:07:59.199 --> 01:08:04.800
They're not asylums anymore, but the
like psychiatric institution type place. Yes,

888
01:08:04.880 --> 01:08:08.679
thank you. Yeah, he was
at a psychiatric institution for like a month,

889
01:08:08.880 --> 01:08:13.760
not that or recent from all the
time he was shot and they ruled

890
01:08:13.800 --> 01:08:15.840
it a suicide. But there was
bulletholes like all over the wall behind him.

891
01:08:16.119 --> 01:08:23.319
Okay, that's suspicious, that's weird. Yeah. The remaining members of

892
01:08:23.359 --> 01:08:27.840
the Cold started another settlement called La
or they called it. It was in

893
01:08:27.960 --> 01:08:32.479
Chihuahua as well. But as soon
as they had like opened this new compound

894
01:08:32.600 --> 01:08:39.520
or whatever, there was fighting in
fighting. Yeah. So over the following

895
01:08:39.600 --> 01:08:42.600
four years, ur Tudo le Baron, who was supposed to be the next

896
01:08:42.640 --> 01:08:45.800
leader of the cole, was killed. The twelve of the former lieutenants were

897
01:08:45.800 --> 01:08:51.039
all killed. Two of his wives, jolandar Rios and Laura Shinewez, were

898
01:08:51.079 --> 01:08:56.600
also killed. Oh my god,
so much fucking death in this shit.

899
01:08:56.680 --> 01:09:00.600
I cannot Yeah, yeah, it
doesn't stop. Mark and Dwayne Shinnowe,

900
01:09:01.239 --> 01:09:08.800
who I believe were the ones who
killed Rebecca le Baron, so the seventeen

901
01:09:08.840 --> 01:09:12.199
year old. I think it was
them. I could be wrong, but

902
01:09:12.279 --> 01:09:16.760
they were. They had for sure
carried out murders for Irville, these two

903
01:09:16.880 --> 01:09:24.640
Swan brothers, so they went into
hiding Another member, Eddie Marsden, he

904
01:09:24.840 --> 01:09:29.000
was killed while he was picking up
a used dryer. Almost within minutes of

905
01:09:29.039 --> 01:09:33.119
that, Dwayne Shinniwe was killed at
the same time at another location along with

906
01:09:33.199 --> 01:09:38.119
his daughter because she was with him
and they just fired at the truck without

907
01:09:38.159 --> 01:09:42.279
even checking who was there. And
then Mark Shinewe was found dead in his

908
01:09:42.359 --> 01:09:45.319
appliance store hours later, but he
had also been killed around the same time

909
01:09:46.079 --> 01:09:51.640
as Eddie and Dwayne. Oh my
god, wow, yes, so yeah,

910
01:09:51.720 --> 01:09:55.640
those were I think the last deaths
that are contributed to the cult.

911
01:09:56.279 --> 01:10:00.239
Throughout the late nineteen nineties, the
last members of the Cold were arrested and

912
01:10:00.399 --> 01:10:06.279
tried, including another son of irvls
fuck yes, thank you, yes,

913
01:10:06.399 --> 01:10:13.560
hervill Hebrew Liberon. He was arrested. He actually had been the one who

914
01:10:13.680 --> 01:10:16.800
ordered the deaths of Eddie, Dwayne, and Mark. And the last member

915
01:10:16.960 --> 01:10:21.720
of the cult was arrested in twenty
ten. Overall, the cult is tied

916
01:10:21.760 --> 01:10:28.560
to twenty five murders. Jesus,
oh my god, and that is the

917
01:10:28.640 --> 01:10:33.039
Liberian cult. That's crazy. That
was a lot. And now the survivors

918
01:10:33.119 --> 01:10:38.199
are cartel members. Some of them
so funny, some of them are normal.

919
01:10:38.319 --> 01:10:43.319
I was the article I pulled up
that talked about the women and kids

920
01:10:43.399 --> 01:10:45.960
that were killed. It said they
were like descendants of this like murderous,

921
01:10:46.039 --> 01:10:49.520
violent, you know, colt but
a lot of them now some of them

922
01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:55.319
are not religious anymore. Some of
them are Catholic, like they're they don't

923
01:10:55.359 --> 01:11:00.039
practice playing me anymore. That's yeah. Yeah, and daughters of the cult

924
01:11:00.239 --> 01:11:06.520
on Netflix, excellent documentary on This
with Daughters Again, it's on Hulu.

925
01:11:06.600 --> 01:11:11.680
Oh, my fucking gohead. I'm
so sorry it's on Hulu. It's on

926
01:11:11.720 --> 01:11:20.239
a streaming service somewhere. Definitely on
Hulu. Christina is wrong. Sorry,

927
01:11:20.399 --> 01:11:26.600
yes, but yeah, that brings
us to the end of the episode.

928
01:11:27.239 --> 01:11:30.960
Any any spooky recognditions. I don't
know. I just been watching Fallout,

929
01:11:30.439 --> 01:11:38.039
which is it spooky on Amazon?
Yeah? Zombies. Oh, that's kind

930
01:11:38.079 --> 01:11:45.479
of kind of it's Ghoules. It's
it's really good. It's very gory.

931
01:11:46.560 --> 01:11:51.279
I saw Rico from Hannah Montana's and
really I didn't know he was acting.

932
01:11:51.359 --> 01:11:58.000
Still, he's one of my favorite
characters in the series because he's so like

933
01:11:58.000 --> 01:12:00.880
like squid words, and I was
like, I relate's cool. I like

934
01:12:00.920 --> 01:12:05.600
squidward type characters. Yeah, so
he's had to say. He looks the

935
01:12:05.640 --> 01:12:12.319
same, exactly the same. I
didn't realize he was like almost like like

936
01:12:12.479 --> 01:12:15.680
thirty, but he's like twenty eight. I thought he was younger. He

937
01:12:15.720 --> 01:12:18.319
looks so yu he's like twenty eight. I think he just has the same

938
01:12:18.319 --> 01:12:23.039
face. But I put him at
thirty something. So, although I'm very

939
01:12:23.039 --> 01:12:25.880
bad, I guess in people's ages, I will add because I was like,

940
01:12:25.880 --> 01:12:29.279
you don't even have a wrinkle.
He's tiny, he's five to one.

941
01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:34.399
Oh okay, oh little short king
And I say, yeah, it's

942
01:12:34.399 --> 01:12:40.840
a person. He didn't yeah,
and yeah, but this the series is

943
01:12:40.880 --> 01:12:45.239
good. The series is good.
It's very gory, which not bad.

944
01:12:45.680 --> 01:12:47.560
He doesn't look hell old Christina.
I think, yeah, you're just off.

945
01:12:47.840 --> 01:12:50.439
He looks like I'm just bad.
You know what. Don't even listen

946
01:12:50.479 --> 01:12:55.199
to me. I'm stupid. Most
puked in that in the episode two because

947
01:12:55.199 --> 01:13:01.479
there's like this, I'm a sympathetic
puker sometimes, so like you're gonna puke,

948
01:13:01.640 --> 01:13:08.239
I'm gonna puck with you, let's
pew together. I get it.

949
01:13:08.600 --> 01:13:13.840
So that that episode was just like
not fun for me. It might fast

950
01:13:13.840 --> 01:13:17.800
forward through that it's and it's not
even a human puke either, which is

951
01:13:17.880 --> 01:13:25.600
worse. Is it a ghoul?
No? But I was just I was

952
01:13:25.640 --> 01:13:28.439
like really grossed out. I was
like, you know, like I saw

953
01:13:28.520 --> 01:13:30.880
like limbs being blown off and stuff. But that's that's the part that got

954
01:13:30.920 --> 01:13:38.640
me. The puky makes perfect mm
hm. Carmen, do you have any

955
01:13:38.640 --> 01:13:46.640
spooky recommendations. My spooky recommendation is
this is me now by jail I forgot

956
01:13:46.760 --> 01:13:51.199
you were gonna recommend this. Yeah, we watched it together. It's spooky

957
01:13:51.319 --> 01:13:56.399
in the sense that you might be
haunted by it, by the beauty of

958
01:13:56.720 --> 01:14:02.760
it. The metaphors so deep,
almost like too deep, you know,

959
01:14:02.880 --> 01:14:09.199
like too deep. I'm fourteen in
this deep. Yeah. Yeah. But

960
01:14:09.239 --> 01:14:12.560
I liked it honestly, I mean, like for a one time watch.

961
01:14:13.359 --> 01:14:15.680
Yeah, I was entertained a little
bit. No, I would rewatch it.

962
01:14:16.399 --> 01:14:18.600
You would rewatch it. I don't
know that I would rewatch it.

963
01:14:18.680 --> 01:14:23.239
Yeah, I would rewatch it.
I would. Carmen is a Jailo apologist,

964
01:14:23.439 --> 01:14:26.319
but at the same time also a
Jlo hater, if that makes any

965
01:14:26.319 --> 01:14:31.680
sense. It's a conflicting identity to
be. It's like every day I questioned

966
01:14:31.720 --> 01:14:42.600
my reality just like Jlo, and
this is me now true. Highly highly

967
01:14:42.640 --> 01:14:53.560
recommend its, Yeah I do.
Oh my god, it sounds about it

968
01:14:53.640 --> 01:14:59.520
right. Yeah. I do not
have a speaky recommendation other than murders.

969
01:14:59.520 --> 01:15:02.520
Go listen the murders and then what
else? The other thing I do want

970
01:15:02.560 --> 01:15:06.720
to say when this comes out,
So the following Tuesday, after this is

971
01:15:06.760 --> 01:15:13.279
out, I was on vulgar history. Actually might be Wednesday I remember what

972
01:15:13.359 --> 01:15:17.720
day she releases. I also edited
anyway, I was on Vulgar History talking

973
01:15:17.720 --> 01:15:23.119
about la so it was a lot
of fun. So if anyone wants to

974
01:15:23.119 --> 01:15:26.600
go check that out, I recommend
it. I'm also a little biased.

975
01:15:26.640 --> 01:15:30.199
It's a great podcast. I like
it too. Yeah, it's fun,

976
01:15:30.239 --> 01:15:32.079
it's fun and yeah, okay,
that brings us to the end. Carmen,

977
01:15:32.159 --> 01:15:34.680
you can go have dinner now.
Okay, we've been released of your

978
01:15:35.119 --> 01:15:40.039
contractual obligations. Thank you so much. Yeah, and she's the only one

979
01:15:40.079 --> 01:15:43.199
with them. Yeah, everyone else
is here voluntarily, just not me.

980
01:15:46.840 --> 01:15:50.560
Yeah, watch out for the sun
on the next eclips, wear red ribbons

981
01:15:51.039 --> 01:15:55.399
and yeah, say a spooky We'll
catch everyone next time. Bye bye.

982
01:15:57.239 --> 01:16:00.840
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983
01:16:01.359 --> 01:16:08.279
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984
01:16:08.279 --> 01:16:12.279
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much, stay as spooky