Nov. 8, 2024

Piñata by Leopoldo Gout Book Club

Piñata by Leopoldo Gout Book Club

Piñata by Leopoldo Gout was described as one of the best horror books by Esquire magazine.  Carmen Sanchez is back in Mexico, supervising the renovation of an ancient abbey. Her daughters Izel and Luna, too young to be left alone in New York, join her...

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Piñata by Leopoldo Gout was described as one of the best horror books by Esquire magazine. Carmen Sanchez is back in Mexico, supervising the renovation of an ancient abbey. Her daughters Izel and Luna, too young to be left alone in New York, join her in what Carmen hopes is a chance for them to connect with their roots.Then, an accident at the worksite unearths a stash of rare, centuries-old artifacts. The disaster costs Carmen her job, cutting the family trip short. But something malevolent and unexplainable follows them home to New York, and it may already be too late to escape what’s been awakened…

Carmen and Cristina recap the book first and then answer the book club discussion questions. The next book club book will be the Witches of El Paso by Luis Jaramillo,

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Hi, this is Christina and Carmen and this is another

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episode of Spooky Tells a book Club. Oh and Milo's here, Yes,

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Milo's behind Carman. If you're on watching on YouTube, you'll

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see Milo's head and his little ears just stood up.

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So cute. Anyway, Yeah, this is not a regular episode.

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It is a book Club episode. Book Club, book Club,

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book Club, book Club. We're holding our books and moving

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them up and down. Yeah, so our book Club episode

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on Binata. By and in case this is anyone's first

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book Club episode, this is not spoiler free. Only the

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initial summary. We give a spoiler free after that. After

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that we're gonna go through the entire plot. Yeah, you

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know how like there's movie recap, this is like a

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book recap. That's how we do our book Club episodes.

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We do a little short synopsis, like the one you

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read when you buy the book, the one actually in

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the back back of the book. We're gonna read that.

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Then we're going to do a recap of the book.

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We opine a little bit throughout the recap. Throughout the recap,

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we give our thoughts on certain parts. We read quotes

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that we really like. Yeah, at the end of the recap,

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we go through the discussion questions that were sent out

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to everyone, which actually nobody answered this time. But you

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know what, it's a busy time of year. You're right,

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you're right, and it's okay people, it's okay if you didn't,

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I know, people read it. Oh, it's okay if you

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don't answer any questions. Yeah, we just like reading them.

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But it's fine, it's fine, it's fine. Yeah, I love

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reading their answers. Yeah. But you know what I forgive

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everyone today at the time of recording, it's been a

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rough it's been a rough day. We won't get into it,

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but we are recording in the sixth Yeah, so once

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you hear the date, you'll know why. It's been a

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rough day for a lot of us, a lot of yeah,

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a lot of people. And that's why we're just gonna

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we're just getting together and talking about a book, you know. Yeah,

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because in times of turmoil, times of difficulties, we're just

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to keep telling our little ghost stories in these times,

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We're just going to keep telling our little ghost stories

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and reading our little horror books and just continuing on

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being little as spooky bitches. But the real life horror

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is every day. Yeah, and so we're just going to

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escape into our ghostly horrors. When I tell you I've

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been reading NonStop this whole year is because this whole

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year has been awful for me. But and you know,

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yesterday was just more awful on top of the already

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awfulness that I've been going through. And that's why I

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read almost sixty something books this year, and that's why

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I've watched so many shows The Wonking Dad eleven seasons

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of The Wonking Dead and now this Dixon is real.

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But also list leading to community, like there's no need

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to despair. You know, we have each other, we do Okay, yes,

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so you want to read the back of the book. Yeah,

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this is our only spoiler free section. We're reading the

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back of the book. The synopsis is over. Spoilers galore. Okay,

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they were worshiped by our ancestors. Now they're forgotten. Soon

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they'll make us remember it was supposed to be the

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perfect summer. Okay. Sorry. This whole time I was reading

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the book, I read Godman like in Spanish, but I

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never say my name is Spanish unless I'm talking in Spanish.

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That made me laugh. That is true. The whole time

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I was like what if this was actually Carmen? What

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if she No? I want to be this honestly. Okay,

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we'll get into it. We'll get it, It'll get it. Okay.

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Godman Sanchez is back in Mexico, supervising the renovation of

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an ancient abbey. Her daughters, Isle and Luna, too young

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to be left alone in New York, join her, and

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what Godman hopes is a chance for them to connect

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with their roots. Then an accident at the worksite unerts

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a stash of rare, centuries old artifacts. The disaster costs

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got Mean her job, cutting the family trip short, but

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something malevolent and unexplainable follows him home to New York,

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stalking the Sanchez family and heralding a coming catastrophe, and

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it may already be too late to escape what's been awakened.

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Dunt dun, dum dum, perfect right on key and from

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now on spoilers. Okay, Oh you know what, Okay, let

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me just read the nose of the Amazon, because it's different.

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It's a little bit different. Yeah, So a head full

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of Ghosts meets Hereditary in have you seen? Have you

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read a head full of Ghosts? I have not seen

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that I thought it was a book. Yeah, I know

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it is a book. I said, it's because The Hereditary

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is a movie. A headful of Ghosts is I kept

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seeing a head full of Ghosts meets Mexican Gothic, which, honestly,

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it's nothing like Mexican Gothic. It's nothing like either book,

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and I just wish they would just say something different. Yeah,

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it's it's like the other one is a possession story,

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and I guess that's then and involves a girl and

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and a family, So I guess in those ways, it's

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a nosense in that sense, nobody in the sense that Yeah. So,

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Carmen Sanchez is back in her home country of Mexico,

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overseeing the renovation of an ancient cathedral into a boutique hotel.

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Her teen daughters, isl and Luna are with her for

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the summer and left to fill their afternoons and supervised

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in a foreign city. The locals treat the sancha's a

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woman like outsiders, while Carmen's contractors openly define sabotage her work.

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After a disastrous accident at the consertion site, nearly interests Luna,

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Carmen's had enough. They're leaving back in New York, Luna

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beg exactly strange and only is notices the chilling changes

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that are happening to her younger sister. But it might

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be too late for the Sanchez family to escape what's

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been awakened. So some parts are different, parts are similar.

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I feel like that's not right. That's the reason. Not right.

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She doesn't leave because she has enough. She leaves, They

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take her off of the job. This is what Goodreads said,

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and they all notice the creepiness that she, like is said,

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is not the only one that I'm sooner than others?

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Yeah yeah, yeah. Some excuse it as something else, but

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like to they excuse it, but they notice it. Okay,

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let's fa to it. Let's get it into your recap.

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Yeah yeah, okay. So the book starts with the prologue.

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Said in the past, Oh my god, that prologue was amazing.

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It was. Yes, I had me hooked just from there,

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you know, immediately hooked. Yeah, yeah, I was. You know

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what it reminded me of, Sorry, should I finish before No? No,

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this is our book club. We do what we want.

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Go on. Well, it reminded me of doesn't the haunting

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Alejandra start off with the prologue that's similar like in

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the past. Yes, yes, that's what reminded me of Yeah, okay,

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now you can go ahead. That's okay. Yeah, again, amazing prologue.

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So as you read, you realize we're not in modern Mexico.

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We're at the fall of the Orhico today. In the

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book there or in the prologue, they're talking about how

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locals are dying from either the conquest or diseases that

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the Friars are immune to because they're bitches because they

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brought them. Yeah, exactly, precisely. Cemente and the Friar are

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forcing children to recite lave Maria the prayer. Then one

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of the friars tells an indigenous child that is the

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translator for the rest of them. I think it was

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a man. Oh, I thought it was another. They said

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just a translator, and I assumed there was a trial.

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I assume there was a man. So interesting, Yeah, okay,

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someone the translator. He the friar tells the translator, whoever

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breaks the piata gets a price. And I'm going to

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read this part from the book because it's too good.

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So where this is pat that tell them to strike

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it milkiades, that's the friar said to the interpreter, and

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whoever breaks it gets a price. The other friar sneaker

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like little fucking bitches. Sorry I edit that on. Amused

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by the child's realization of what he was being asked

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to do. Tell him it's a game shortly, the boy said, anxiously.

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The child turned to the clergyman, white eyed, and then

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turned back to the rest of the children, Not daring

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to look at the pot. He his teeth as his

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shoulders heaved and began to cry melgia. This pushed him

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toward the pot, trying to make him hold the stick.

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The interpreter follows, suit yelling and telling him, Oh, you

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know what, I think you're right, it is a man. Yeah.

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The interpreter follows, suit yelling and telling him, and I

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want to strike it. The children shrieked, I can't, I shouldn't.

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It's an offering. It can't just be spilled. The boy

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holding the stick repeated again and again. The interpreter translated.

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The friar slapped the boy's head and called another child

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older than the first, forcing the stick into his hands,

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hit it down it or I'll have you beaten dead

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right there, Melgialis said. The boy swung and connected with

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the pot, immediately dropping the stick, hoping that he had

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fulfilled the request. But the friar continued to shout and

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grab the stick from the ground, showing it back into

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the boy's hands, pressing firmly so he won't drop it again.

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And so he keeps hitting the pot. And this this

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isn't what the piatas were meant for. There's supposed to

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be a sacrifice, not to you know, break in this manner.

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I'm gonna skip ahead a little bit, okay, So when

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he does the final strike, the pinata, which is like

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a clay pot, it's not the pingata as we know today,

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but the pinata cracks and breaks and there's, like, let

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me read this, flesh entrails and a deep break in

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the syrup of coagulated blood poured from the shattered base

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of the pinata. The shrieks of children grew louder, watching

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and wailing in their hopelessness. Can you fucking imagine that

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you're breaking a piata? And literal, what are they putting

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in there? I thought that's what they put to like

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for their sacrifice or yeah, they're not, but they're not

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meant to be broken. So that's why, right, Yeah, but

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can you I just you're breaking a piata and yeah,

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this falls out. Yeah, it's horrifying. This is like the

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the whites are taking what they're supposed to be sacrificed

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and just doing whatever they want. Like they're like corrupting

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this ritual, this cultural like spiritual ritual. They're just fucking

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it up. Yeah, with no regard or care, like exactly. Yeah,

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And so the Friar Melkaddis he turned back to the

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group of kids and he tells them you'll find that

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God doesn't ask for blood and viscera, none of these

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barbaric offerings your ancestors gave. But then he turns around

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and he beats this kid to death. Horrible, and I

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wonder what is more barbaric? No, you know, it was

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so creepy too, Like he says before it's before he

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beats him up right, Yeah, he says, the Almighty only

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wants your soul. Yeah that's creepy. I'm sorry, that's yeah,

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that's it's horrifying. Yeah. So there's another young boy that

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refuses to break the next pot, and that's the boy

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that gets beat to death by Melkaddis and nobody stops him. Yeah.

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When the sister of this boy tries to stop them,

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the same friar tells her, don't worry, child, the dogs

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will eat him, so he will finally be of some use.

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He'll return to the arms of one of your horrid gods.

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Then we learn that this little girl, her name is

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kit Sally, which will come back. Yeah, and she's apparently

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quite the troublemaker want to tie her up and she

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manages to run and they are chasing her. Then the

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same friar goes back to his room at the abbey.

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When he walks into his room there, I'm reading this

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from the book. When he walks into his room at

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the abbey, he like, here's something and so he's like, hello,

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who's there? And this is from the book. A terrible

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pale face, skeletal and eye lists emerged from the shadow

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near skinless, what flesh and maintained, hung tattered and decaying

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from its visage like ribbons. The imagery Oh yeah, its

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body unrevealed. The face drew nearer to the fryar as

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its neck extended farther and farther. Sit back horrified, his

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breath catching in his throat, asking his God for protection.

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Just reminds me of the aparment. We always yes, no

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God here whatever say. Worst line ever, so screapy, I

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mean creepy, I come whatever, I come by scary and

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creepy and screepy. You know what, should we start saying that? No? No, no, no, no,

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I don't like it. I mean you could say it

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if you want. I don't know, Like screepy. Stop trying

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to make screepy happen. It's not gonna happen. And the

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Friar is pretty much killed by this entity in his room.

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I was so scared this, Like immediately you're like, what

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the hell? Yeah, that's the prologue. That's not even starts

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right off the bat, right off the bat, and then

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we get to chapter one. We meet Carmen and her

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two daughters. Eleven year old Luna, we meet the fam, Yes,

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the fam, sixteen year old Isel. They're in Tulancingo, is Ago, Mexico,

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far from their hometown of New York. Right away we

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learned they're there because of Carmen's work. El the sixteen

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year old Little Brady, six year old it's Mexico. She's

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such a you know what. It seems that they don't

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know Spanish either, right or do they? It seems I

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think they know it a little bit, like a tiny amount. Yeah, well,

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I think they know more Spanish. But she refuses to

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tea Spanish because he said, the younger one is communicating

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with all the merchants and stuff. Okay, so, okay, so

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they know Spanish just in pace. Maybe they're having a

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harder time because they speak way less Spanish, but no,

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they're You're right, because Luna is chatting with everyone. Yeah, okay,

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so she's just been sixteen and very bratty. I don't

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know happened. It happens, Yeah, it really does. So we

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learned that they're there because of you know, her work.

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You said, doesn't want to be there. Luna is having

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a great time learning, absorbing, like a little curious child

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that she I thought she was younger from the description.

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I guess that's part of her character, though she acts

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like a lot more naive than yeah, than her age.

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I guess. Yeah, very year olds are young children, but

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she gives off like eight year old vibes. I thought

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she was eighty if I if I hadn't if they

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hadn't said her age then and there, and I just

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went out the description of her and what she does

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throughout the book. I would have until she goes to

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middle school and you're like, what, yes, yeah, but then

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at that point we'll get into it. Yeah. So we

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learned their father isn't involved in their life, and that

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Alma Carmen's mother, their grandmother, usually watches them. But she's

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getting old. She's seventy now, and so she she still works,

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so she still up and go to Mexico either that too,

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and and it'd be hard for her to leave the

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daughters all summer with her mom alone, right right, Although

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to me it sounds doable because they're older, they're not.

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I think it was doable too. I think they could

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have stayed home because but I think part of Carmen, Yeah,

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part of Carmen really wanted them to want experience. Yeah. Yeah,

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So it was a lot of things mixed together. She

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wanted her mom to rest, she wanted to show them

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her the culture. Yeah, the motherland as they say, what

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is it in Spanish? Lad Patria? Yeah, and Luna Andell

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hated it. Yeah, she really did too. Is Sail is

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an older one, Luna, it's a younger one. Yes, I know,

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but I'm going to keep doing it. I know it.

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And Carmen is there because she's restoring the old abbey.

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Immediately when I saw Abby, I'm like, all right, well

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this is the abby. This is the abbey from the prologue.

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Oh yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, because you know we the

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friar that beat that boy to death is in the

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abbey walking to his room where he gets killed and

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you know, gets Sally's there, that's where she runs away from. Yeah. Yeah,

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So immediately when I saw Abby and Abby, I'm like,

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this is the same abbey. It's like a building, church building. Yeah.

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And Carmen, even as they're walking through this little market,

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Carmen is questioning bringing them because of a sales attitude,

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but also the dangers of Mexico. It's not a safe

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place for women, yeah, especially with you know, the rise

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of infemicides that have been happening over the years. That

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they touch on that as well throughout the book. And

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so while they're in this market, Carmen is in her

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head just thinking all these things. They run into some pignatas,

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like someone's selling Pinatas, and then is a Lunary said,

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who's like, do you even have a license to Sally's.

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I'm like, you're at the fucking shut up it's he said, obviously.

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They said, yeah, like who cares? It's not like do

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they not have burgas in New York too? You've never

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been to like, I know, you've seen the bootleg pinatas

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and the bootleg CDIs and the bootleg movies. Like, stop,

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it's never like us in New York? Do they Happeniata's?

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Actually I don't know yas. I'm just saying that. Someone

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tell us, Yeah, I've never been to a plea me neither.

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I have always seen them in shows, and well, this

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looks cooler than the little corner stores we have. It's

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like a deli and like a corner store together. Yeah yeah,

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like a liquor store. Yeah. So yeah, I was like,

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you said stop it. Yeah. And while they're at the

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at the piata stand, Carmen reminds the girls they have

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a birthday party to go to. He said, it is

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like I didn't want to go, and Lunas excited, and

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Carmen needs and wants to go because she needs to

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socialize and try and get along with her employees. Yeah,

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they don't like her, no one, because they don't see

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her as Mexican. And I forgot it was Carmen born

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in Mexico and then taken to the US. Yeah, yeah,

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so she is Mexican. But after you spend so much

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time out of there, you know it's not the same,

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not anymore. Yeah, especially when you're taken as a child.

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They don't consider new Mexican in Mexico anymore American. A

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lot a lot going on in this book, A lot

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that makes you think, because you know, here you get

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a mix of like the different types of Mexicans. Like

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you get Carmen who was taken as a child and

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raised in the US, but like she is actually Mexican.

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Her mom left Mexico but is Mexican. She's not on

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this trip with them. The girls are Mexican American, but

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really more American than anything. And they're in Mexico for

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the first time, and it almost seems like she didn't

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really teach them anything about Mexico or the trip, so

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like they wouldn't have been excited if they had never

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been exposed to the culture beforehand. So then so now

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you got these kids. Yeah, so yeah, just a lot,

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a lot going on here, and so yeah, they see

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Carmen as an outside and then on top of that,

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she's a woman, and so they respect her even less

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as the person running this project at the abbey. No

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boss girls over here over there. Later they get to

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the party. I'm like, again, I'm condensing a little bit,

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so I'm just giving some parts. So now they're at

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the party at the foreman's house. Juaquin who especially doesn't

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respect Carmen, he hates her. Yeah, when he when she

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gets there, he's like, oh, I didn't think you'd come.

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And she's like, well, you invited me. Oh, but I

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didn't think you would come. I can already imagine like

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Nony who maybe does just see like the politeness behind this. Yeah,

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So Luna Nicelle go off with the rest of the

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kids while Carmen sits with father Veron, who is her

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contact at the church. So not the boss, but he

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is the boss, the point person. Yeah, be a point person,

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and he introduces her to quietly. Immediately, I was like, love, love,

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He's my favorite until you see Kim along until Yorsey

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then I mean Yorty, and I'm like, uh, I love Yorty.

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I feel like in this situation, I would always be

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asking myself what w w oh my gosh, yeah yeah,

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what would do? Yeah? Okay, Sony back to Quney Sole

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is an indigenous man who also works in the abbey

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restoring carvings on rocks. While they're talking, Luna wanders off

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and she wrote into another girl and the girl's name.

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Upon first read, I missed this really yeah, and I

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read it it Because I read this, I sort of

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read it twice because I was switching back and forth

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between the audiobook and the book. I get forgetting where

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I was. I listened to the audio book after I

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finished it. Okay, okay, the audiobook is also it was

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a great experience I had. Agree. Yeah, I feel like

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reading it both ways. I feel like it's the best

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way to go to me. Yeah, I did like the

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audiobook because then you get to hear the not what words,

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the pronunciation especially that's especially and also just a person

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reading it. This such an amazing job, especially with the

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parts of later on where we transitable words. Yes, yeah, yeah,

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yeah yeah. So yeah. Both ways were great to listen to.

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But also I think if you don't know what you're

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looking at you might not know how to read these names.

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I did, Yeah, we do, and I think a lot

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of our listeners will. But I was listening to another podcast,

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Why am I listening to this? And they're like, I

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couldn't even conceptualize how to read the names, and I'm like, really,

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I mean you could have looked it up too, But

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also like like, Q it's to me, I think because

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we're reading it in Spanish though, but even in English,

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I feel like for me that would have been like, actually, no,

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it's because you're right. They would have been like quarterly, quarterly.

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What they say I forgot, you'll see, I don't know

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what they say. Yeah, they keep saying it wrong. Yeah,

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so us. I think in anyone who has heard things

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in Spanish, you see these names. But I think the

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auto I was gonna say, I will say when in

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the Naula, when she's doing her like chant or curse

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whatever it is a song also that they sing. I

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didn't know how to pronounce an all and am song. Guy.

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I listened to the audiobook. Yeah, and it's also and

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you're listening to it and they're saying it, and I

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almost felt enchanted. I was like yeah, it was completing.

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Take me, yeah, take me, yeah, it was. It was

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like I recommend this an audiobook for sure. Oh yeah,

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oh yeah, so sorry. I don't know how this started

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so either. Oh the name Kit Sally, yes, so yeah.

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When I first listened, I didn't realize it was the

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same girl that they said Kat Sally is the trouble

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maker and she runs off the sister the brother in

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the prologue. I didn't. I didn't make the connection the

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first time. I did the same thing, but with the Abby,

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I didn't put twenty together that it was the same Abby.

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But with Kit Sally, I'm like, oh, this is get Sally. Yeah,

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okat Sali girls back. Yeah. So Luna runs runs into

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another girl at the party who introduces herself as KT Sally,

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and Kit Sally offers Luna to show her around. They're

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gonna play hide and seek the best hiding spots in

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the house. Yes, yea, and Luna is very happy. She's like, yeah,

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I would love that. So Luna follows the little girl

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to the best hiding spot, an old shed and this

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part's fucking creepy. Thirty seven. Yes, Luna is following her,

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and Kasani tells her it's just some old shed. Come on,

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there's a really good hiding place under some of the

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old shelves in here. Luna stepped forward and felt the

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change on temperature. The shed seemed to be an emanating, cool,

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damp air that sent a shiver across Luna's skin as

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she edged forward to the small opening of the shed doors.

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When Luna placed a hand on the side of the

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door and slipped in, an unpleasant chill came over her body.

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It felt as if she slid through some unseen membrane

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at the opening that spread within the shed. Her eyes

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did not ad just within the limitless dark, she heard

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Katsani's voice utter the words We've been waiting for you

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to arrite for so long. That was so scary. Oh

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when I read that, I was like, it's like my

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heart dropped. What do you mean? We so yeah, horrifying,

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very very and just the again, the imagery, the words

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like the membrane of the shed, like, what do you

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mean memorane? What do you mean? Yeah? Beautiful, beautifully written truly,

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And then Luna runs out away after all this happens,

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she runs back out, but then she forgets immediately. Yeah,

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but it's part of the haunting. It's like it because

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she's like the dumb kid, my child. He would have forgotten.

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I would have forgotten. Probably me too, because I am

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like my child and he is like me. That makes sense. Yeah,

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I literally would have forgotten. But her, it's the part

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of the hunting that she doesn't because she her first

436
00:23:43.880 --> 00:23:46.720
intentions to go tell her mom what happened. Yeah, then

437
00:23:46.759 --> 00:23:50.119
she forgets. Yeah, so she's running and then she runs

438
00:23:50.119 --> 00:23:52.000
into her mom, who tells her, Hey, I've been looking

439
00:23:52.039 --> 00:23:54.400
for you. It's time to break the pignata. And the

440
00:23:54.440 --> 00:23:56.559
kids are doing that. They're breaking a little pata. And

441
00:23:56.559 --> 00:23:59.000
it's fun because you can see the words we all

442
00:23:59.039 --> 00:24:16.559
seeing as children, so fun, so fun as we say it,

443
00:24:16.680 --> 00:24:22.039
that pan as we said it was zero motion, yeah,

444
00:24:22.680 --> 00:24:30.519
and they we're like, so fun, so fucking dumb. The

445
00:24:30.599 --> 00:24:33.640
adults are having some deep as conversations about the pat

446
00:24:33.799 --> 00:24:35.920
I'm just gonna read that quote really quick as well,

447
00:24:35.960 --> 00:24:40.440
because yes, oh I loved it. And then father terons

448
00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:42.119
like I knew you to would get along. I knew

449
00:24:42.119 --> 00:24:45.599
you would have some deep ass convos. So Quatly and Carmen,

450
00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:48.480
who are having this conversation. Actually, I think it's no, no,

451
00:24:48.519 --> 00:24:51.680
it is no. No, that bitch is dumb. Yeah, my

452
00:24:51.759 --> 00:24:53.720
bad doesn't like her. He would never have this conversation

453
00:24:53.759 --> 00:24:57.160
with her. Yeah, he would never talk to her so quietly.

454
00:24:57.240 --> 00:24:59.279
Is the one who says this. I think. I think

455
00:24:59.319 --> 00:25:01.680
what we like them about kids hitting the pinata is

456
00:25:01.720 --> 00:25:05.440
watching them transform into little monsters. How they enjoy breaking

457
00:25:05.480 --> 00:25:08.000
something into pieces. They're in a fit of laughter but

458
00:25:08.119 --> 00:25:11.960
also brimming with violence. The pignata is a cathartic thing

459
00:25:12.079 --> 00:25:15.440
for kids, It really is. I kind of do remember

460
00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:17.440
that feeling from being a kid. Yeah, and like you're

461
00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:20.200
just hitting the sting again and again it breaks and

462
00:25:20.240 --> 00:25:23.200
you're laughing, but you're beating something up. Yeah, good times.

463
00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:25.680
And even now it's still fun hitting pinata as we

464
00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:30.079
for our birthday. And then, actually, Carmen's what she says

465
00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:33.240
back is also a little deep, but it also pretentious.

466
00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:35.839
According to her, I thought it was fine, but she says,

467
00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:38.480
now that you mention it, it's true. Precisely. What makes

468
00:25:38.559 --> 00:25:40.880
this tradition a little disturbing is that it's staging the

469
00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:42.839
loss of innocence. And then I thought about it and

470
00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:44.440
I was like, no, that is pretentious. How was this

471
00:25:44.480 --> 00:25:49.000
staging the loss of innocence. You're hitting up Pyatta. I

472
00:25:49.119 --> 00:25:51.359
like what Quietly said better me too. Ten out of

473
00:25:51.400 --> 00:25:54.240
ten for him, five out of ten for her. Yeah,

474
00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:56.400
I would agree. Oh sorry, one more thing quite because

475
00:25:56.440 --> 00:25:58.519
then Quietly replies, and his reply is also better. But

476
00:25:58.559 --> 00:26:00.519
I'm starting to think I just like what these much better.

477
00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:03.000
He says. It's a strange thing, even perfers to make

478
00:26:03.079 --> 00:26:07.640
children break something pretty to eat its entrails. Yeah, I mean,

479
00:26:07.720 --> 00:26:10.079
I do not want to hear about entrails ever again

480
00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:13.039
after this book. No. I enjoyed it, but I don't

481
00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:15.720
want to read about them anyway. I do not. I

482
00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:21.839
do not want to think about enjoying the Yeah, like please, no, Yeah,

483
00:26:21.880 --> 00:26:23.839
I'm gonna next time. We're feeling a pianta, I'm like,

484
00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:27.319
have you finished feeling its entrails? Oh my god? Yes, yeah,

485
00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:30.759
try to remember that. Yeah. We leave the party in

486
00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:35.160
chapter four and meet yort Sya finally my fav queen.

487
00:26:35.559 --> 00:26:38.839
She's walking in the market behind the Sanchez family, but

488
00:26:38.920 --> 00:26:41.240
she doesn't know it at the time, but she sees

489
00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:45.279
Luda and she consents there's something different about her. Something's

490
00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:50.119
off here, Yeah, something that puts her in profound danger

491
00:26:50.839 --> 00:26:53.680
and it's like a spiritual type of danger. And we

492
00:26:53.720 --> 00:26:56.720
also learned your sea is indigenous. She she speaks not

493
00:26:56.839 --> 00:26:58.960
what she's one of the She comes from one of

494
00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:02.400
the oldest families in the area as well as Quatly,

495
00:27:02.599 --> 00:27:04.359
and she says, you know, they go way back. She

496
00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:06.960
has the ability to see the inside of other people,

497
00:27:07.119 --> 00:27:10.119
so like what they're made of, who you are, like

498
00:27:10.160 --> 00:27:13.039
their aura sort of their aura, yeah, which is also

499
00:27:13.160 --> 00:27:15.839
like it's a gift, but it's also a curse. Yeah,

500
00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:17.559
And she says, like, how can I even fall in

501
00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:20.480
love with Like she knows everything about them, Like part

502
00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:22.519
of the beauty of love is getting to know the person.

503
00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:25.279
She already knows everything as soon as she sees you.

504
00:27:25.519 --> 00:27:27.599
So yeah, a gift done a curse. And she's like,

505
00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:30.039
you know, we're following her along the market. She's taking

506
00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:32.480
all these things to herself. She gets dizzy and almost faints,

507
00:27:32.519 --> 00:27:35.319
which causes Luna to turn around and see her. But

508
00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:37.720
then Yorty kind of hides in the crowd and hangs

509
00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:40.079
back and keeps following them, and that's when she sees

510
00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:42.920
them say hi to quietly, and so she's like, oh,

511
00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:46.119
they know quietly, this is my chance. So she goes

512
00:27:46.160 --> 00:27:48.960
to Quatly and tells them like she wants him to

513
00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:52.920
introduce her to the Carmen and quietly is like why

514
00:27:53.359 --> 00:28:00.880
immediately yeah, whye. Georgy tells him it's she's in danger.

515
00:28:01.039 --> 00:28:06.839
Her heart is exposed, and he's like, how how do

516
00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:17.319
you mean house sway explica now, so your seat tells

517
00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:20.440
him like, well, do you know about the And we

518
00:28:20.599 --> 00:28:22.839
have talked about them a little bit on as book

519
00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:25.440
tells Suso also has a great episode on them. But

520
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:30.839
they're basically the these goddesses that come down from the

521
00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:33.759
descend from the sky at the end of the world,

522
00:28:33.799 --> 00:28:35.960
at the end of the fifth world, and this is

523
00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:38.480
the fifth world right now that we're in. They're also

524
00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:42.720
they come from women who die at birth become c

525
00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:46.799
miss and they're like these warriors, but also they're gonna

526
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:49.720
come at the end of the world and like destroy everything.

527
00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:54.039
They come with the apocalypse basically, so they're warriors but

528
00:28:54.119 --> 00:28:59.480
also deadly and scary bringers of the apocalypse. Yeah. Yeah,

529
00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:04.920
he's like I really know these stories. He's I'm like

530
00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:09.640
you I know this already. We were raised basically together

531
00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:15.200
kind of yeah, and so quietly is hesitant because he

532
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:18.920
believes your see. He doesn't doubt your see. But he's like,

533
00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:22.799
he's like, how do you tell this to Americans? Basically Americans?

534
00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:25.200
You know exactly what he says, Yeah, they're strangers and

535
00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:27.839
Americans like, they don't know, they don't understand the ways

536
00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:30.559
of yah ways, they don't know, they don't believe. And

537
00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:35.599
she starts speaking naw, and I'm gonna attempt to read it,

538
00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:38.519
but I didn't listen. Again, this is she's singing, right,

539
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:40.759
she's singing it, yeah, And this is she's singing the

540
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:42.759
same part. I would need to listen to it again

541
00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:45.720
to know how to pronounce it. Yeah, and I did

542
00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:50.000
a while ago, but not today. So she's saying yehwa

543
00:29:50.440 --> 00:29:57.759
chiki yahwa ipan pampa niets la pampas And that could

544
00:29:57.759 --> 00:29:59.240
have been a little wrong, but it was also like

545
00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:03.200
semi right. Some parts were off, though, but basically that's

546
00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:05.839
what she's saying again and again quietly shakes her out

547
00:30:05.839 --> 00:30:07.559
of her trance, and he's like, what song was that?

548
00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:10.720
It sounds a little familiar, and she's like, I was singing.

549
00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:17.039
She's like, what song? But still he was still hesitating

550
00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:20.079
in introducing them. So Georgsey doesn't wait for him to

551
00:30:20.160 --> 00:30:23.079
make introductions. She goes down to the abbey and boy

552
00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:26.640
does it go wrong. She's like, I'm from City Hall.

553
00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:29.519
And then Carmen's like, what do you want? She's like,

554
00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:32.279
fuck city Hall. Fuck, I've dealt with you fuckers for

555
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:36.000
too long. I can't give any more money. Fuck off. Yeah,

556
00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:38.440
and then when Georgsey starts trying to explain, like, oh,

557
00:30:38.519 --> 00:30:40.279
your daughter might be in danger, She's like, are you

558
00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:44.319
threatening me? Yeah? Honestly, coming really annoyed me here, and

559
00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:47.200
I understand why she reacted the way that she did.

560
00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:52.440
Give you and see a chance man like meets no harm. Yeah, Like,

561
00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:54.599
I get it from Karmen's point of view because she

562
00:30:54.759 --> 00:30:58.920
has seen the hostelites. She doesn't believe these things. So yeah,

563
00:30:58.960 --> 00:31:01.359
but it's like me, if at this moment, even in

564
00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:04.039
that situation, Yorty came to me and said, your child

565
00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:07.680
believe How what do I need to do? Help me?

566
00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:10.119
It's it's like when we go to Mexico and whatever

567
00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:12.000
THEIA says you need to do this, when we're leaving

568
00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:14.319
the cemetery, I'm like doing it. I'm doing it. I'm

569
00:31:14.319 --> 00:31:16.640
gonna do it. I don't care. And yeah, I did it.

570
00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:18.519
And if they tell me you need to walk in

571
00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:21.920
circles before you enter this building, I'm doing it. I

572
00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:25.440
don't care me too. It's like she has zero respect

573
00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:29.880
for the beliefs of your sea. But I understand she's afraid,

574
00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:32.319
and people react this way when they're afraid, you know.

575
00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:35.119
So yeah, I get At the same time, I get it,

576
00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:38.799
but I'm also annoyed. Yeah, because she's immediately under defensive.

577
00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:40.839
She's like she doesn't want to listen to any she's

578
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:43.720
already stressed out too, so like I get it, Yeah,

579
00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:46.519
I get it. Tries to say no, it's like, it's

580
00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:50.039
not like that, it's spiritual, and she's like, this is nonsense. Also,

581
00:31:50.079 --> 00:31:52.519
your tea is giving off weird vibes because while she's

582
00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:56.119
in the office of Carmen, she sees like spirits or

583
00:31:56.160 --> 00:32:00.000
something like everywhere, and so she's looking around, lancing around,

584
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:02.640
so she kind of looks a little bit crazy. Carmon

585
00:32:02.720 --> 00:32:07.079
in us like sketchy ass behavior, which makes sense, it does. Yeah,

586
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:11.799
but it's your sea, you seeless yeah yeah, and we

587
00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:14.240
love her, but Karmen doesn't know it yet. Yeah. Also,

588
00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:18.480
Yorty doesn't know why she's seen so many spirits because

589
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:23.480
she sees them sometimes, but I think Carmen's office is

590
00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:25.480
the first place she sees a ton of them. At

591
00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:27.559
the same time, she's like, what the hell is happening.

592
00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:29.920
She's also like whoa, yeah, because she's not used to

593
00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:32.480
seeing this many. She even says when we first meet her, like,

594
00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:35.519
I see them sometimes sometimes spirits present themselves to me,

595
00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:37.599
but not all the time. So yeah, this is We're

596
00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:40.720
on both their ends honestly. Yea, but still believe your

597
00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:44.480
syst believe your always believe your tea, always always believe

598
00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:47.839
your sea, and yeah, karma goes on Mama bear. Yersey

599
00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:49.799
has no choice but to run out of there, and

600
00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:52.119
she runs. She gets to the plaza and she's like, damn,

601
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:56.640
I messed that up. As she drinks not coca. She's

602
00:32:56.680 --> 00:32:59.480
got to calm the nerves, so yes, yeah, nothing better

603
00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:04.319
than a cook for that. Yeah. Carmen calls her daughters

604
00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:07.519
just to check on them after Yorty leaves, and they're okay,

605
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:09.640
and then she's like, I gotta go. That was so weird.

606
00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:12.000
I've had enough of today, Like I'm done, and she

607
00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:14.119
gathers her things and walks out of the office. When

608
00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:17.319
she runs into Quietly. Yorty did say, I know quietly

609
00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:21.480
before she before she told Karmen all of this, so

610
00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:24.319
now she's suspicious of quietly out zone. So now she

611
00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:26.200
runs into Quietly and she's like, who the hell did

612
00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:30.079
you send to me? He's like what and he's like, oh, no,

613
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:35.839
you mean yalty, Oh Yorty. She means no harm. Yeah,

614
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:37.720
and that's what he told her. She means no harm.

615
00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:41.960
She's just spiritual. She believes that the old nahuaweis. Carmen's like, okay,

616
00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:43.359
but she had no right to try and scare me

617
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:46.000
with all these legends, like these old legends, and he's like, no,

618
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:48.319
she didn't mean it that way. After sent back and

619
00:33:48.319 --> 00:33:51.480
forth like this, Karmen agrees to hear Yorty out, so

620
00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:54.319
her and Quaetly are going to go over to their

621
00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:57.400
house later to talk about this what Yorty wanted to

622
00:33:57.440 --> 00:34:00.400
say that Carmen didn't want to hear. So same time,

623
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:02.839
you see he's walking around the plaza and then like

624
00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:07.440
the skies go dark and it's filled with butterflies, very scary.

625
00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:10.360
She closes her eyes because she's getting like all these

626
00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:14.960
like sensations, you know, dizziness at the same time. So

627
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:17.360
she closes her eyes and she starts repeating those same

628
00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:20.320
words that she had been saying to quietly, the same

629
00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:23.039
not what it's like a song, it's a song. Yeah,

630
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:25.079
So she starts like singing these words again, and she

631
00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:27.320
doesn't know what she's saying, but she thinks it's the

632
00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:30.039
same phrase. When she opens her eyes, there's a man

633
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:32.480
holding his face and he's bleeding. I didn't quite under

634
00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:35.320
what happened to him. Was it the butterflies? Yeah, the

635
00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:37.719
butterflies like a tax his face kind of, And then

636
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:42.159
it's like, uh, he thinks he gouged his eyes out,

637
00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:45.119
but they're just cut, like I think. She sees it

638
00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:47.559
initially like worse than it is, but then like yeah,

639
00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:50.599
she comes back to reality. Then she realizes like, yeah,

640
00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:53.960
he's bleeding, but he's probably not, as he's not as

641
00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:56.840
bad as she thought first. Right, Okay, that makes so

642
00:34:56.880 --> 00:34:59.639
much more sense. So she walks him over to the hospital.

643
00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:02.679
And then she's walking back home after that, confused, scared,

644
00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:04.639
and she's like I don't know what's going on, but

645
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:08.239
whatever this is, it's happening way too fast. Then Karmen

646
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:11.079
gets home, the door's open, both girls are like, we

647
00:35:11.119 --> 00:35:12.639
didn't leave it open, and we swear. She's like, why

648
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:15.679
is that door open? She keeps asking them. They're like, damn, chill,

649
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:18.599
We're like, what's going not a big deal, calm down,

650
00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:22.039
she'll out yeah. So she she's nervous, but she drops it.

651
00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:24.360
Then they're eating dinner and she asks them again, like,

652
00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:26.519
I know you said the door was closed, but like,

653
00:35:26.679 --> 00:35:29.920
you can tell me anything. You could tell me, but

654
00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:32.119
did you guys see anything weird? And he said is

655
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:35.159
like no, and then Luna's like, oh, that's that old lady.

656
00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:38.199
Do you mean that old lady that just walks around

657
00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:42.039
and waves around weird waves. She's like, why didn't you

658
00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:44.800
tell me about her before? I thought it was fine? Yeah?

659
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:47.440
I thought she was just saying hi. She just walks

660
00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:50.159
by every single day, making the weird same hand motions

661
00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:52.639
that it's not exactly high, but I thought it was high.

662
00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:55.360
It was dying during that part, and Carmen's like, does

663
00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:57.840
she say anything? Does she do anything? And Luna's like, no,

664
00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:02.400
she just waves funny and walks by. He said, It's like, wow, mom,

665
00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:04.880
you're really gonna worry about the old lady And they

666
00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:10.440
should have and they all should have worried. Carmen drops

667
00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:12.880
it again. She's like, fine, fine, whatever, it's not a

668
00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:16.079
big deal. She's washing dishes after dinner and she's like

669
00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:19.320
again contemplating, overthinking why am I here? That I make

670
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:22.159
a mistake? My daughters say to here, like just overthinking life.

671
00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:25.440
Every church she's made up to that day broke me

672
00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:29.679
out of my and then me know she's doing this

673
00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:33.679
when she notices a bracelet. It's woven and old and

674
00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:36.519
it has six green stones. Carmen's like, what is this

675
00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:38.559
doing here? She asks the girls if they know what

676
00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:40.920
it came from, and then fucking Luna is like, it

677
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:45.039
looks like that old ladies, but they don't know how

678
00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:47.920
it got there. So again Carmen drops it. But then

679
00:36:48.039 --> 00:36:50.719
in bed she's like, okay, this is a sign I

680
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:53.719
see this weird bracelet. Luna mentions the old lady Yorte

681
00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:57.880
came to me with her weird shit. Yeah again, more

682
00:36:57.880 --> 00:37:00.800
self doubt, more wondering why am I here? Questioning every

683
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:04.519
life choice. Off to that, ruminating ruminating a lot. Yeah.

684
00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:07.440
Then she's at work. It gets worse. They get the

685
00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:10.760
wrong supplies. It turns out that fucking quacking the foreman

686
00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:13.960
order them on purpose. Yeah, he's trying to pocket to

687
00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:18.119
money for himself and cut corners and pocket the money

688
00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:22.079
that he saves from cutting corners. And she's like, bitch,

689
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:25.440
you better stop. Yeah, you better get the supplies that

690
00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:29.079
I wanted. Everyone loses more respect for her in this

691
00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:30.840
moment because they're like, this is just how we do

692
00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:33.760
things here. Like, yeah, she's not wrong here, but also

693
00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:37.880
I don't know when in Rome. Yeah, I feel like

694
00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:41.320
she's holding on, like she's trying to hold onto too

695
00:37:41.360 --> 00:37:44.199
much power. And sometimes you have to have a little

696
00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:48.239
bit of cultural humility. And I understand not wanting to,

697
00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:52.880
you know, because feminism, but sometimes you gotta. You gotta

698
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:56.199
adapt to where you're at. Yeah. Even father Vedon is like,

699
00:37:56.599 --> 00:37:58.760
that's just how they do things down here. Yeah. She's like,

700
00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:01.880
if you want to get that involved, okay, that's on you.

701
00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:04.599
But he's like, I dadavit against it and yeah, and

702
00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:07.800
she doubles down. Yeah, And I get both sides. I

703
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:10.599
get She's like, yeah you saw me, he got that

704
00:38:11.119 --> 00:38:14.480
said yeah, not just but dad yeah too. Yeah, And

705
00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:19.920
they're like my head, you see them like I said, yeah, no,

706
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:23.960
no way, So yeah, I see both science. I would

707
00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:25.800
have Honestly, I don't think this is something I would

708
00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:27.039
have to put down and be like, I'm just gonna

709
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:28.719
do my job and go home, that's it. Yeah. Also,

710
00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:30.800
I just don't care enough. I'll just say. But she's

711
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:34.239
like a go getter. She is ambitious response, you know,

712
00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:36.920
I feel like me, like four years ago, that would

713
00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:40.840
have been me. Now just just I'm just just there. Yeah,

714
00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:42.239
And like me, I'm like, all right, if that's what

715
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:43.679
you want to do. But when something goes wrong, it's

716
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:46.280
gonna go wrong. And like maybe they're not trying to

717
00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:49.880
blame me like I told yeah with them. Yeah that's me.

718
00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:51.400
But I get it because at the same time, this

719
00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:54.039
is such an important project. It's restoring this old building,

720
00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:57.599
but also it's restoring it not for it's gonna turn

721
00:38:57.639 --> 00:39:01.800
into like a what boutique hotel something like that. Yeah,

722
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:05.079
So I don't know. Yeah, I have no respect for

723
00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:06.920
the church anyway, so i'd be like, whatever you doing

724
00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:09.000
you want, Yeah, exactly true. That's a fucking place for

725
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:15.039
all I care. Let it burn, burn it. Yeah. Well,

726
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:17.800
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What's that thing people say, Let's do it live, Let's

741
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So so even yeah, like I said, even father Vidon

758
00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:22.239
tells her like, maybe chill a little bit. She's like,

759
00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:23.840
you don't tell me and what to do? She would

760
00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:25.599
gets into it with him and I'm like, oh my god,

761
00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:28.400
he's like whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm just trying to keep

762
00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:32.639
the peace here. So you know, it's already it's already

763
00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:35.639
a bad day. Worsh Then she leaves home and she's

764
00:41:35.679 --> 00:41:41.039
met with a sense attitude. Dude, Yeah, which is best.

765
00:41:41.639 --> 00:41:46.280
It's annoying. It happens, So it happens. It happens. Yeah,

766
00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:48.760
she didn't want to come, so, you know, she wanted

767
00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:50.760
to be with her white friends in New York. And

768
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:53.679
every time, like Excel is being mean to her, she's like,

769
00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:55.519
you know, I can't follow her for that because I

770
00:41:55.559 --> 00:41:58.400
was the worst daughter. So at least she's not out

771
00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:03.239
there running the streets. She's just being mean to me. Yeah,

772
00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:05.559
and she does literally say that every single time. I'm like,

773
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:07.039
by the fourth time, I'm like, I don't think we

774
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:10.039
need to hear this again. We kind of get it. Yeah, yeah,

775
00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:15.000
that little that's who Gorman is. She overthinks everything that's true,

776
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:17.880
that that, and then but at the same time, not enough.

777
00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:25.000
She overthinks things about herself. Yeah, the wrong things really,

778
00:42:26.079 --> 00:42:30.039
So she brushes it off because Georgy and Quietly are

779
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:32.639
coming over. And first they come over, they teach Luna

780
00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:34.840
who wants to know and he said doesn't care. But

781
00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:37.599
she does manage to have conversation with them, like she

782
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:40.119
that's true. She does. Yeah, yeah, she gets a little

783
00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:42.199
bit more. She's a little more engaged than normal. They

784
00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:46.039
tell her about the history and their culture and it's fascinating,

785
00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:48.119
it's a fun read. And so then they're like, all right,

786
00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:49.719
we got to get to business. So they dismissed. The

787
00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:51.480
girls are like, you gotta go, we gotta talk about

788
00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:53.880
all stuff. Georgy is trying to explain things to Carmen,

789
00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:56.519
the spiritual things. Carmen is dismissive, like, oh, what if

790
00:42:56.519 --> 00:42:59.280
it's your imagination? But also this bracelet showed up and

791
00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:01.760
like Luna's mention an old lady, but she still doesn't

792
00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:05.280
believe Yzy like plea see annoying? Like so's she wanted

793
00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:08.320
to annoy them here and then not believe anything they

794
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:10.159
have to say, what was the point of this? Yeah,

795
00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:12.239
and it's like where do you think this bracelet came from?

796
00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:14.599
The door was open when you got here. This old

797
00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:18.599
lady's passing by the same time, same day, making weird movements.

798
00:43:18.639 --> 00:43:22.039
Please immediately I would have been like if I didn't

799
00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:24.599
listen to Yortsey when she came to my office the

800
00:43:24.679 --> 00:43:29.159
first time after Gardman is still dismissive to what you're suggesting,

801
00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:32.280
when she should not be because of everything else that

802
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:36.039
has happened. Yeah, too many weird things going on, but no,

803
00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:39.440
she isn't listening. Yorty tells her like, what if this

804
00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:41.679
old lady only appears to be an old lady and

805
00:43:41.679 --> 00:43:43.679
it actually is not an old lady? Which I would

806
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:47.079
have been like tell me more, please, and Carmen was like,

807
00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:49.840
I'm more concerned with that, leaving, Like, shut the fuck up,

808
00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:53.360
Carmen and listen to Yortsey for real, and then whatever,

809
00:43:53.480 --> 00:43:56.280
Yorty and Quad leave. It didn't go as well as

810
00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:59.400
Yortsey wanted. The next week, at work, while Carmen is

811
00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:01.119
in her office, she gets a call from me Sel,

812
00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:03.360
who tells her they got bored and then walking over

813
00:44:03.480 --> 00:44:06.199
and they're almost there. This freaks carmenal because she's like,

814
00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:08.559
dad one them walking around Mexico, it's so dangerous. I

815
00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:11.320
don't think they're that far from her work, though, I

816
00:44:11.360 --> 00:44:13.840
think it's I think they're pretty close. But you know

817
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:17.960
how she is or she's ruminating on the wrong things. Yeah,

818
00:44:18.159 --> 00:44:21.119
she should be worried about that old lady. So she

819
00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:23.719
freaks out. She runs out and is calling and calling

820
00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:26.679
and calling again. They're not answering. She thinks she is

821
00:44:26.719 --> 00:44:29.960
he sail walking in the street, and Luna isn't with her,

822
00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:33.599
so she's calling and calling and running after what she thinks,

823
00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:36.440
as he said, when she gets closer, it's nai Cel.

824
00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:39.960
It's the old lady, so creepy. As soon as that happened,

825
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:42.440
I would have speed dial your tea, you know, I

826
00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:45.960
would have ran to the plaza to find your sea bell,

827
00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:48.400
would have hunted down Qualeine. I'd be like, call, you'll

828
00:44:48.440 --> 00:44:50.599
see right now, call her. I would have been running

829
00:44:50.679 --> 00:44:53.079
up and down the streets, yelling quietly and you'll see

830
00:44:53.119 --> 00:44:56.559
again and again. And so one of them answer yeah, yeah,

831
00:44:57.639 --> 00:45:00.320
but no the old lady. Okay, So Carmen's getting closer.

832
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:03.320
The old lady grow grows louder and louder. She's like

833
00:45:03.400 --> 00:45:06.960
chanting something that Carmen can't understand. Karmen is yelling for

834
00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:09.639
Luna and Issel and she the old Lady's still there,

835
00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:11.639
so she's she turns around and yells the old lady,

836
00:45:11.679 --> 00:45:13.559
who the hell are you? What do you want? The

837
00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:17.239
old lady tells her she's looking for her daughter. Yeah,

838
00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:19.519
and Karmen is like, who is your daughter? And then

839
00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:22.639
the old lady moves closer and she's chanting something that

840
00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:26.119
Carmen can't understand. She gets dizzy and light headed. The

841
00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:28.400
whole time this old Lady's engine closer and closer. It

842
00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:30.519
looks like something is growing out of her chest, out

843
00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:34.159
of her shawl. It looks like something's protruding out and

844
00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:38.079
it's getting bigger. And as that's happening, Carmen is closing

845
00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:41.159
her eyes, like covering them with her hand. She's trying

846
00:45:41.159 --> 00:45:43.679
to keep her balance. Suddenly it feels like she can't

847
00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:45.920
feel the sun anymore, the warmth of the sun, so

848
00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:49.079
the temperature drops, and she's like swiping on her phone,

849
00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:51.719
trying to answer because now it seems like one of

850
00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:53.639
them is calling her back. He said, I suppose she's

851
00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:55.840
the one with the phone because she's older. So she's

852
00:45:55.960 --> 00:45:58.440
she answers the phone and it's he sail. Then Carmen,

853
00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:01.320
she's pulled out of whatever's going on and she's back

854
00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:03.800
in reality now, and she's like, where the hell are

855
00:46:03.880 --> 00:46:07.079
you guys, and Exall is like, chillow, we turned around

856
00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:13.239
to go get Luna's sketch. Bug calmed down and Carmen

857
00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:17.360
dismisses this as like some hallucination. She's just dressed She's like,

858
00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:20.119
I'm so stressed out. I'm having hallucinations and I'm like,

859
00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:23.519
oh my god, how do you write everything off? Like yeah,

860
00:46:24.039 --> 00:46:27.599
she's brushing off the undo. Some people do this. So

861
00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:32.440
that's true, that's true. The Nile is strong, it is. Yeah,

862
00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:34.039
what is that thing that went around to Tech for

863
00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:36.960
a while? Then the Nile is the river in Nidrum.

864
00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:41.000
Oh it's Wendy Williams. Somebody called her life. Yeah, yeah,

865
00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:44.159
I remember that. The Nile is a river in Egypt.

866
00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:49.239
Your husband is I don't know what she says, Yeah, yeah,

867
00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:53.719
that's Carmen. So she's like whatever. Uh. She just walks

868
00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:55.920
the girls inside her office they were into quietly. Who

869
00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:58.559
gives something to Carmen like a little eagle warrior type thing.

870
00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:01.800
I don't know, Stone, I don't remember. Anyway, the girl

871
00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:04.440
stay in the office Quietly is there to show her

872
00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:07.719
the work she's been he's been doing at the abbey.

873
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:09.679
The foreman and Juaquin is supposed to be there, but

874
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:11.960
he's not there because he doesn't give a fuck about

875
00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:14.239
like he just does whatever he wants, like this man

876
00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:17.159
for real? Yeah, seriously, So the girl stay in the office,

877
00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:19.639
Quetlye and Carmen are walking around and that's when they

878
00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:23.440
hear in a big crash and so a structure had

879
00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:26.360
come down and it revealed another room in the abbey

880
00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:29.119
that's not in the blueprints. Carmen is like, oh my god,

881
00:47:29.159 --> 00:47:31.199
we got to call like the Deparminent of Anthropology and

882
00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:35.960
History at the university, We call UNESCO and all that. Yeah, everything,

883
00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:42.119
and Father is like, that's gonna takes necessary. Do we

884
00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:44.119
really need to do that? Everything inside this room is

885
00:47:44.119 --> 00:47:47.880
the church is anyway, like it's probably about garbage, but

886
00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:52.719
it's old sacred things like please, yeah, he doesn't want

887
00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:54.960
to do that. It could take it could halt the

888
00:47:55.039 --> 00:47:59.320
construction for months months. And as they're discussing what to do,

889
00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:02.679
Luna is digging around and there you can hear like

890
00:48:02.719 --> 00:48:06.280
the clinking sounds of her beinach mosa and she finds

891
00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:10.119
the pieces of a broken pot. She asks what it is.

892
00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:15.599
Quati tells her that it is at a pignata. And

893
00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:18.719
I'm gonna read this part from page one eleven. It's

894
00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:22.760
shortly replied, quietly, what is that a pinnata for children

895
00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:26.360
to break? Not exactly, it's a sacrifice, an offer klama

896
00:48:26.480 --> 00:48:30.639
Nalitzi is evaluable. I've never seen one like this. It's rare,

897
00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:33.280
but I don't know if it's valuable. Then Father ViOn,

898
00:48:33.519 --> 00:48:35.079
this is the property of the church. I'll have to

899
00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:38.199
speak to my superiors. And then quietly, you think everything

900
00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:43.719
belongs to you. But you know, as we know, because

901
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:46.679
we've read the prologue. Yep, could this be the same one?

902
00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:50.760
I think so, yeah, because this is the same Abby.

903
00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:53.000
And yes, Talie is that same girl, and so this

904
00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:57.440
has to be the same Piata. And I don't think

905
00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:01.920
anyone or no do they do they let Luna take it? No,

906
00:49:02.199 --> 00:49:09.519
she sneaks in and takes it. They can't do it, no, okay,

907
00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:11.800
So he planning to steal it up again and just

908
00:49:11.880 --> 00:49:15.360
leave everything how it is, and even quietly says like

909
00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:18.119
that's better off. They're better off doing that, because he's like,

910
00:49:18.280 --> 00:49:21.440
somethings are better off far away from people to reach,

911
00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:24.119
because I think he knows what this could mean in

912
00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:28.039
the wrong hands. And they agree to seal it off.

913
00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:30.440
But before they seal it off, Luna sneaks in there

914
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:34.360
and takes it. Yeah, yes, okay, that's what's happening, all right.

915
00:49:35.119 --> 00:49:38.639
Once they're back home having dinner, the girls are like,

916
00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:41.079
are we gonna get sent back home? And at first

917
00:49:41.159 --> 00:49:43.239
Karmen's like, no, you know, don't worry. We don't know

918
00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:46.280
what's happening yet. But that's exactly what happens. She's fired. Yeah,

919
00:49:46.639 --> 00:49:49.039
she's blamed for this, and I feel like Quaquin has

920
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:52.199
something to do with this because he wasn't there. Yeah, yeah,

921
00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:54.719
like he Savostaur is something. But also I don't think

922
00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:57.280
anyone knew about the room either. No, but we know

923
00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:00.400
from the prologue that's something horrible happened in that And

924
00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:03.800
I feel like, not secretly, but like on a deeper level,

925
00:50:03.920 --> 00:50:07.000
quietly knows something horrible happened in that room. Yeah. And

926
00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:08.880
maybe because of all the things yor Sey has been

927
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:10.960
telling them too, I think that's why he wanted to

928
00:50:11.039 --> 00:50:14.679
just be so love instead. Yeah, And honestly, after this,

929
00:50:14.920 --> 00:50:20.920
it's like things weird, things keep happening in the escalating manner. Yes, yeah,

930
00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:29.360
creempy scary visions, apparitions, yes, hauntings, yes, including to yort See.

931
00:50:29.480 --> 00:50:32.320
She's seeing things too, now, more things, and she's like,

932
00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:35.480
this isn't normal. Something that's happening, and I have to

933
00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:38.519
think that the room being open now is what made

934
00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:42.280
it worse, the PGATA being taken the yes, yeah. Yeah.

935
00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:45.119
So they go go back to New York. But the

936
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:49.159
airport that was crazy. Yeah. Yeah. So they already kind

937
00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:51.239
of sense Luna being a little like she doesn't want

938
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:53.480
anyone to see the things she's drying, not being her

939
00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:57.760
normal self, her normal cheerful self. Yeah. And it's like

940
00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:01.159
I get that she's eleven, but also the drastic of

941
00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:04.960
a change in this little time should be ringing bells. Yeah,

942
00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:08.599
and he said, seems to be the only one concerned. Yeah, well,

943
00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:11.440
I feel like Carman notices it. But she's like, well,

944
00:51:11.559 --> 00:51:14.119
she didn't want to leave Mexico so soon, and you

945
00:51:14.119 --> 00:51:16.480
know what I mean. So she's like excusing it. Yeah,

946
00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:19.360
she brushes it off, like everything else she's been brushing off.

947
00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:23.159
She makes excuses. But the airport part was crazy. So

948
00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:25.880
they're at the airport and they're trying to get through

949
00:51:26.719 --> 00:51:29.760
security and they open up luna suit case and there's

950
00:51:29.800 --> 00:51:34.159
a bunch of crickets. Yeah, but the ones you eat,

951
00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:36.360
the ones do you eat? Yeah? And you're supposed to

952
00:51:36.360 --> 00:51:38.800
be able to take those that's food, right, Yeah? I

953
00:51:38.840 --> 00:51:41.239
think so, I don't know. I hate taking anything because

954
00:51:41.960 --> 00:51:44.320
they pull you aside, they look into her shit, and

955
00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:46.199
I get so anxious and I got I was so

956
00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:48.639
mad at our mom. Once we brought Hello cheese back

957
00:51:48.719 --> 00:51:50.320
and I was like, I don't want to bring the cheese.

958
00:51:50.360 --> 00:51:53.239
They're gonna like tell us something. I was stressful. I

959
00:51:53.599 --> 00:51:55.679
brought a hit time with me, like one thing happens,

960
00:51:55.760 --> 00:51:58.519
but just thought it stresses me out. Yeah, no, I

961
00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:01.159
get you, I get you. Yeah. So they get pulled

962
00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:04.599
apart aside and they throw away her crickets because it's

963
00:52:04.599 --> 00:52:05.920
like they don't want food to go through. I think

964
00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:08.159
because it's a carry on though not I think because

965
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:10.920
they're Chappolinas. They're like animals, so they're trying to say

966
00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:13.440
these are animals, and then they're like, okay, yes, technically

967
00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:16.400
they're animals, but they're for food. They're dead, they're gonna

968
00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:20.960
be yeah yeah. And so then Luna starts like eating

969
00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:25.559
them by the handful because she's in a very disgusting manner. Yes, yeah,

970
00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:28.559
like when eat the respectfully when at a time, But

971
00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:32.280
she's mad, and so she's like, yeah, Karma doesn't even

972
00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:34.079
know what to do because normally she doesn't even have

973
00:52:34.119 --> 00:52:37.119
to parent these kids that much because they're just ChIL kids. Yeah,

974
00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:39.519
like they have their little attitude. But you know what,

975
00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:41.760
he says, I didn't want to be there, And at

976
00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:45.280
least she's not as crazy as she was of you know,

977
00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:47.199
the same thing she says again and again. Yeah, and

978
00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:49.960
she she's very Yeah, she doesn't have to do much

979
00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:52.800
with either of them. She works a lot, so it's

980
00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:56.159
like this is and then she's never been in the situation,

981
00:52:56.320 --> 00:53:01.559
especially with Luyash who's acting like a weirdo, and that

982
00:53:01.679 --> 00:53:05.360
weirdo behavior just continues. Then they get on the airplane

983
00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:07.880
and she starts like beating the ship out of his

984
00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:11.679
sad like and Karma's like, what the fuck is going

985
00:53:11.719 --> 00:53:13.400
on right now? Like you guys don't act like this,

986
00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:17.079
like what's happening? And he said, it's like it's not me. Yeah.

987
00:53:17.559 --> 00:53:20.599
And then after she's done being the shadout of a sand,

988
00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:24.360
she's standing there staring off into the distance like a weirdo.

989
00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:28.239
That should have been like the first sign like something's

990
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:30.800
not right. Actually, sorry, this is like the tenth sign.

991
00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:33.239
There's a lot of sign. She's already I seen a

992
00:53:33.239 --> 00:53:35.679
little weird Yeah. At this moment, we as a reader

993
00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:39.400
is like, all right, she's possessed. Yeah, it's getting weird. Yeah,

994
00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:42.280
it's getting worse. And then back in New York, she

995
00:53:42.599 --> 00:53:46.199
just escalates even more. Luna spends it all day with

996
00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:48.840
her door closed. Whence Karmen goes back to work that

997
00:53:48.880 --> 00:53:50.719
they're back in New York and Mo the mom is

998
00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:55.119
there watching them, and she's mean as fuck to the

999
00:53:55.159 --> 00:53:58.119
g to her little grandma, to Adma, and I'm was like,

1000
00:53:58.159 --> 00:54:00.400
this is weird. She's like, she doesn't act this. But

1001
00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:04.280
then we know how where Carmen gets her her laid

1002
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:08.920
back attitude from, because Alma's like, well, she just got

1003
00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:11.880
back from Mexico. She's upset. I'm just going to give

1004
00:54:11.880 --> 00:54:15.679
her space, and yeah, that's like the respectable thing to do.

1005
00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:17.960
Like I know the mom would have like knocked her

1006
00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:19.760
door down and been like, you don't get any space.

1007
00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:22.239
You need to tell me what space in house, meaning

1008
00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:25.119
there's space in Mexican. But I don't think it's a

1009
00:54:25.119 --> 00:54:28.119
wrong approach. I think it makes sense in the position

1010
00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:29.840
that they're in. Yeah, but here they would have they

1011
00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:31.559
should have been a little more aggressive because she was

1012
00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:33.559
in the middle of a haunting of a possession. But

1013
00:54:33.599 --> 00:54:35.320
they didn't know that. No, they didn't know that we

1014
00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:37.960
have more information than them, but Carmen, No, no, no,

1015
00:54:38.079 --> 00:54:40.920
Carmen should have known because of all the bracelet, the

1016
00:54:40.960 --> 00:54:44.079
door we made, seeing the same old lady, and then

1017
00:54:44.119 --> 00:54:46.559
sees that they're protruding out of that chest of the

1018
00:54:46.639 --> 00:54:49.519
old lady. And also they see she doesn't see the

1019
00:54:49.519 --> 00:54:52.519
old lady at the airport, but he said sees her, Yeah,

1020
00:54:52.559 --> 00:54:55.719
and he said, hadn't seen her as much as Luna. Yeah, yeah,

1021
00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:58.320
but it's the same person. She knows it's the same person.

1022
00:54:58.360 --> 00:55:00.800
She's like, did she follow us from Mexico the funk? Yeah,

1023
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:05.119
And I would have told my mom, So yeah, there

1024
00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:07.800
should have been she had been a little more obvious

1025
00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:09.639
at this point. But she's like a dad. But that

1026
00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:12.840
there's no story without that, No, So I'm fine with it.

1027
00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:16.760
But also I understand the class understand Carmen being like

1028
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:21.239
this because when she's not a spiritual person, she's disconnected

1029
00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:24.519
from me culture, so she's even less spiritual. Not that

1030
00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:27.000
all Mexicans are, but like the majority, like I mean,

1031
00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:30.280
last our listeners, we may not go to church, we

1032
00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:40.000
all believe, yeah that our fought like exact exactly, and

1033
00:55:40.079 --> 00:55:43.559
Carmen didn't grow up that way her did not fight,

1034
00:55:45.039 --> 00:55:46.880
and so she doesn't believe this, or if she did,

1035
00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:54.199
she just doesn't know about it. Yeah. Yeah, so I

1036
00:55:54.320 --> 00:55:57.440
understand at the same time why Carmen is so hesitant

1037
00:55:57.840 --> 00:56:01.159
about everything. So at the same time I get it,

1038
00:56:01.599 --> 00:56:04.599
But at the same time, there were so many signs. So, yeah,

1039
00:56:04.639 --> 00:56:07.679
the airport is weird. At home, it gets weirder. Luna

1040
00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:12.280
is weirder. Yeah, are we skipping forward to the stairs

1041
00:56:12.519 --> 00:56:14.960
or what? Yes, that's exactly where I was heading. Do

1042
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:16.159
you want to talk about that party you want to

1043
00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:20.800
take over? Well, okay, Luna's been a weirdo. She's been

1044
00:56:20.840 --> 00:56:23.119
a weirdo right since they get back from Mexico. I

1045
00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:25.199
don't know. I don't even think it's been a fucking day.

1046
00:56:25.199 --> 00:56:27.559
I think it's been only a day. Yeah, Like, it

1047
00:56:27.559 --> 00:56:30.000
hasn't been long. Yeah, it's either been one day or

1048
00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:35.719
a few days. And Alma knocks at her door because

1049
00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:38.920
Luna's been ignoring her all day, which is not typical

1050
00:56:39.039 --> 00:56:42.320
of Luna to do, but whatever. You know, she has

1051
00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:45.840
a lot of emotions, so she needs space. At one point,

1052
00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:50.360
Alma hears weird noises, like like something moving up in

1053
00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:53.360
her room. Yeah, like like something's being dragged, like just

1054
00:56:53.360 --> 00:56:55.960
to me, a lot of dumping. Yeah, not normal. And

1055
00:56:56.000 --> 00:56:59.519
so she I think she knocks. I don't remember exactly

1056
00:56:59.519 --> 00:57:02.440
what happens. Point is, she knocks, but either either she

1057
00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:05.519
knocks or decides to not knock, get not alone. And

1058
00:57:05.519 --> 00:57:08.239
then she's like going back, you know, heading back down

1059
00:57:08.239 --> 00:57:11.119
to the stairs because she's like, okay, whatever, and she

1060
00:57:11.280 --> 00:57:14.880
hears a cricket. She sees a cricket. Yeah, she sees

1061
00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:17.920
a cricket in the stairs, a giant cricket. And honestly,

1062
00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:19.840
I could not as I was reading this book, is

1063
00:57:19.840 --> 00:57:22.360
it a cricket or a locust locus? I'm not sure

1064
00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:26.599
does but they say cricket, don't they big cricket? Oh

1065
00:57:26.599 --> 00:57:29.639
you know what Yeah, just a big cricket. Yeah yeah, yeah,

1066
00:57:29.719 --> 00:57:33.039
you're right, you're right. So as I was reading this,

1067
00:57:33.079 --> 00:57:34.639
every time I close my eyes, I would see an

1068
00:57:34.760 --> 00:57:37.920
ugly ass cricket, Like I was like, yeah, anyway, she

1069
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:41.719
sees the cricket, and the what comes out of the

1070
00:57:41.719 --> 00:57:45.440
cricket more crickets. I don't know. It's like at meane

1071
00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:49.119
or I can't pronounce that, Oh my god, the meme. Yes,

1072
00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:53.079
the something comes out because she's like I saw. Later on,

1073
00:57:53.119 --> 00:57:55.000
when she tells Carmen about it, she's like, I saw

1074
00:57:55.199 --> 00:57:59.159
death herself. So isn't it the goddess? It's yeah, it

1075
00:57:59.239 --> 00:58:02.119
is the ct Yeah. So she sees a TC me, man,

1076
00:58:02.159 --> 00:58:04.079
doesn't it say something? I'm trying to find the page now.

1077
00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:07.360
But okay, hold on, it's about to happen. Okay, is said,

1078
00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:09.719
leaves the house because she's gonna go with her boyfriend.

1079
00:58:09.719 --> 00:58:13.559
Her boyfriend that she was texting on Mexico and there's

1080
00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:16.440
a good about the thumb Natti here al I was like,

1081
00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:18.639
what is she doing and he said, is like, no clue.

1082
00:58:18.679 --> 00:58:20.159
But I heard her last sign too, and so then

1083
00:58:20.159 --> 00:58:24.280
she's like leaving the house and then oh she opens

1084
00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:26.599
the door. Yeah, she opens her She's like, what do

1085
00:58:26.639 --> 00:58:29.199
you want? You didn't need to knock, so fucking rude, dude.

1086
00:58:29.239 --> 00:58:32.239
I will never tell my grandma that. Mm hmm whatever.

1087
00:58:33.559 --> 00:58:35.800
She doesn't want to talk about anything. So then Ama

1088
00:58:35.880 --> 00:58:40.519
leaves and she sees the pignana right, and she's like,

1089
00:58:40.599 --> 00:58:42.320
what is that? And then she's like, I don't want

1090
00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:45.360
to talk about it. Let's see she steps out of

1091
00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:47.679
the room. Yeah, she steps out of the room. She's

1092
00:58:47.719 --> 00:58:49.880
walking down the stairs and she hears a sound. Yeah,

1093
00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:52.960
she sees oh, I said, cricket, it's a grasshopper. Grasshopper.

1094
00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:57.440
That's when she saw a large green grasshopper. And then

1095
00:58:58.320 --> 00:58:59.639
I don't know if it's like coming out of it,

1096
00:58:59.679 --> 00:59:01.800
but she's says yeah. There was a skeleton with the

1097
00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:04.800
insect like wings addressed to the nines and golden and

1098
00:59:04.880 --> 00:59:08.679
gemstone jewelry floating over the stairs. Its skirt was made

1099
00:59:08.719 --> 00:59:11.760
of seashells musically clinking against each other. Oh, I thought

1100
00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:13.960
it does something about it doesn't say anything. She just

1101
00:59:14.039 --> 00:59:16.519
sees it. She's terrified, of course, so that she falls

1102
00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:21.039
down the stairs and presumably she screams. But who does nothing?

1103
00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:27.400
Fucking Luna does not the little fucking monster. It's not

1104
00:59:27.440 --> 00:59:33.719
her though, it's uh yeah over her. Yeah yeah. And

1105
00:59:33.760 --> 00:59:38.119
then Carmen is like, why did you call you? I

1106
00:59:38.159 --> 00:59:40.480
felt so bad? I was like kind of funny. She's like,

1107
00:59:40.480 --> 00:59:43.920
I'm no mad at you are, just you know how

1108
00:59:43.960 --> 00:59:48.599
to call for nine one? What? Why didn't you call? Little?

1109
00:59:48.679 --> 00:59:53.199
Was like whatever, I just say a here my row

1110
00:59:55.440 --> 01:00:05.440
imagine shining Grandma's bleeding out from her fucking bottle. Dump

1111
01:00:05.559 --> 01:00:18.760
after dump after your ship. God. Oh, my god, but

1112
01:00:18.800 --> 01:00:22.679
this is not Luna. She's not being herself. She's not herself,

1113
01:00:23.119 --> 01:00:25.320
and she feels bad about everything at the end. But again,

1114
01:00:25.400 --> 01:00:27.800
it's not her fault. It's not her fault. She was possessed.

1115
01:00:33.079 --> 01:00:36.400
Oh my god, that was hilarious. Okay, we need a

1116
01:00:36.440 --> 01:00:41.000
fast forward an hour fast forward. Ship happened, A bunch

1117
01:00:41.000 --> 01:00:45.559
of shit happens on me. In the hospital, Carmen is distraught.

1118
01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:47.679
She sees the old lady on the train. At some point,

1119
01:00:48.599 --> 01:00:51.599
she gets worse. Luna starts acting up in school. She

1120
01:00:51.639 --> 01:00:54.440
guts picking on her. Right, these guys are picking on her.

1121
01:00:54.599 --> 01:00:57.360
They're horrible. I'm like, what kind of old ass high

1122
01:00:57.360 --> 01:01:00.400
schooler is bully? A middle middle middle schooler like tweaking

1123
01:01:00.480 --> 01:01:08.400
weird In the same place, she's crying, tears are coming

1124
01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:12.039
out of her last Yeah, I guess it must be

1125
01:01:12.119 --> 01:01:14.880
like a joint middle and high school. That's whine. Yeah,

1126
01:01:14.880 --> 01:01:17.400
I think you're right. At one point, she gets into

1127
01:01:17.519 --> 01:01:20.239
an argument with her teacher about conversation. I don't want

1128
01:01:20.239 --> 01:01:23.320
to hear about it. She's right, No, she was not wrong.

1129
01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:27.159
She was spitting backs, ye, straight backs. If I had

1130
01:01:27.559 --> 01:01:29.440
folded the page, I would read the part. But basically

1131
01:01:29.559 --> 01:01:32.639
my teacher teaching the wrong history. Luna was like, why

1132
01:01:32.639 --> 01:01:35.280
are you teaching this fake ass history? White colonizing bitch,

1133
01:01:35.320 --> 01:01:39.039
that's basically what happens. Yeah, you don't know ship, How

1134
01:01:39.039 --> 01:01:40.840
are you gonna tell me this fake as history about

1135
01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:43.360
my people? Fuck you? And then she was like how

1136
01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:46.559
dare you? This is right? Okay, and then she's like,

1137
01:01:46.559 --> 01:01:52.079
no colonizer. Basically, at some point she's like censors to

1138
01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:55.519
the office, and the teacher like grabs Luna, but she

1139
01:01:55.760 --> 01:01:58.480
like is just grabbing her. She shouldn't have ate a hand.

1140
01:01:58.719 --> 01:02:02.800
She grabs her risk but then like she gets engrossed

1141
01:02:02.800 --> 01:02:07.960
into this vision from Luna's possessed, Yeah, from possessed entity,

1142
01:02:08.199 --> 01:02:11.199
and this vision engrosses her so much and scares her

1143
01:02:11.239 --> 01:02:15.800
so much that she grips Luna really really hard, causes bruises.

1144
01:02:15.840 --> 01:02:18.599
But she doesn't do it on purpose. No, and Luna

1145
01:02:18.599 --> 01:02:21.559
possessed Luna knew, yeah, this was gonna happen. Yeah, and

1146
01:02:21.760 --> 01:02:24.679
so then then I think it's still possessed. Luna's like,

1147
01:02:24.719 --> 01:02:26.840
you're hurting me, you're hurting me, and then the teacher

1148
01:02:26.840 --> 01:02:29.559
gets in trouble. Carmen again goes all mama bear, but

1149
01:02:29.800 --> 01:02:34.000
like again at the wrong. Yeah, her daughter is possessed,

1150
01:02:34.840 --> 01:02:37.119
but she doesn't know she does. Her daughter's a literal

1151
01:02:37.159 --> 01:02:40.280
fucking demon. We let her mom all down the stairs,

1152
01:02:42.880 --> 01:02:46.119
oh man. And then later on and the same boys

1153
01:02:46.119 --> 01:02:48.920
are picking on Karmen and she's like, basically curses them

1154
01:02:49.159 --> 01:02:51.440
of Luna. Sorry, they're picking on Luna, and Luna basically

1155
01:02:51.519 --> 01:02:54.440
curses them. She's like, I wish she would just die. Yeah,

1156
01:02:54.960 --> 01:02:57.960
and then they die. The children's voice in the audiobook

1157
01:02:58.039 --> 01:03:00.760
is so fucking funny to me. It is it is.

1158
01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:05.599
I'm like, it's good, die yeah, and then she curses

1159
01:03:05.639 --> 01:03:08.920
all the three the three boys, and they do die,

1160
01:03:09.800 --> 01:03:12.639
and that's it. Feel it's bad. I feel bad. I

1161
01:03:12.679 --> 01:03:15.360
don't right because there's like a fight, Like now, there's

1162
01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:18.000
a fight. Now finally stands up for her sisters. She

1163
01:03:18.039 --> 01:03:20.239
actually sees what's going on and it's bad. And her

1164
01:03:20.239 --> 01:03:25.000
boyfriend steps into they fight. Yeah, Luna gets into it,

1165
01:03:25.199 --> 01:03:28.960
gouges at the guy's like faces and stuff like, and

1166
01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:31.960
they're like, you're crazy, you're crazy, but they deserved it. Yeah,

1167
01:03:32.119 --> 01:03:34.760
fuck around and find out. Fools they did. They fucked

1168
01:03:34.760 --> 01:03:36.960
their literal definition to fuck around and find out because

1169
01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:40.280
then they especially the haunting. Yes, oh my god. They

1170
01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:42.400
all die horrific deaths. One of them is in a

1171
01:03:42.440 --> 01:03:45.159
car crash. But before they get into these days, before

1172
01:03:45.199 --> 01:03:49.119
they die, they see that met Yes, yeah, and it's bad.

1173
01:03:49.679 --> 01:03:53.639
The worst one though. The guy's playing some game, some ship.

1174
01:03:53.719 --> 01:03:57.039
He's like, I pinched the Nixican girl about it, which

1175
01:03:57.079 --> 01:04:01.039
cemented his need to die to me. Yes, same, and

1176
01:04:01.079 --> 01:04:03.960
so then he the guy playing with him, is like,

1177
01:04:03.960 --> 01:04:08.400
what's that behind you? He's like what? Then it's static? Yeah,

1178
01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:11.599
already horrifying. Then it turns around and there it is,

1179
01:04:11.679 --> 01:04:13.719
and he ends up like getting like choked. What is

1180
01:04:14.079 --> 01:04:16.800
I don't even remember? But they all, three of them,

1181
01:04:16.840 --> 01:04:19.239
I grew some deaths, and I'll say I was there

1182
01:04:19.280 --> 01:04:21.239
for it. I was there for it. Yeah, I was happy.

1183
01:04:22.119 --> 01:04:25.119
It was great. Is it after their deaths? When it

1184
01:04:25.239 --> 01:04:28.599
jumps to your sea and quietly in Mexico? Yeah, you're

1185
01:04:28.639 --> 01:04:31.639
seeing quietly or is like, hey, I need to get

1186
01:04:31.679 --> 01:04:34.679
to New York. I need to warn this family because

1187
01:04:34.719 --> 01:04:37.280
that stuff is happening to them too. That's why they

1188
01:04:37.320 --> 01:04:40.599
know something is wrong. Yeah, yeah, yeah, your see. Especially

1189
01:04:40.800 --> 01:04:44.679
she basically loses her mind. She can't tell reality from

1190
01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:48.039
the spirits. It's too much. She's sees like all the

1191
01:04:48.039 --> 01:04:51.719
account's ancestor and they're all talking in Spanish and they're

1192
01:04:52.079 --> 01:04:54.559
they're all digous languages like at the same time, so

1193
01:04:54.639 --> 01:04:59.440
she can't understand or see anything like. So she makes

1194
01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:03.719
her way to quad Lee's apartment or house for help

1195
01:05:03.880 --> 01:05:07.199
and quietly knows and he himself has seen an operation

1196
01:05:07.639 --> 01:05:11.199
at the abbey. Yes, and the operation tells him like, hey,

1197
01:05:11.239 --> 01:05:13.199
you need to get out of the way. You're either

1198
01:05:13.239 --> 01:05:16.239
with us or we're gonna kill you too, like yeah,

1199
01:05:16.360 --> 01:05:20.159
we're here for revenge. Yes, And so he believes her too,

1200
01:05:20.199 --> 01:05:21.920
and he's like, all right, I can't let you go alone.

1201
01:05:21.960 --> 01:05:24.159
He's gonna help her too, and they make their way

1202
01:05:24.159 --> 01:05:27.599
into the US, which sorry not to bring them up again.

1203
01:05:27.599 --> 01:05:29.039
I don't know their name, but the other podcast we

1204
01:05:29.159 --> 01:05:31.880
listen to that cover this because I like to like

1205
01:05:32.000 --> 01:05:33.920
listen to things that we're going to talk about me too.

1206
01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:35.760
And then I hate what they do with it. But

1207
01:05:36.840 --> 01:05:40.039
they're like, oh my god, how can they possibly leave Mexico.

1208
01:05:40.119 --> 01:05:41.559
It's like people do it all the time. Do you

1209
01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:43.800
know people do this right? Like you know, like this

1210
01:05:43.880 --> 01:05:46.440
is a real trip people make. Yes, And it goes

1211
01:05:47.559 --> 01:05:50.239
exactly how they did it, like there was nothing unrealistic

1212
01:05:50.280 --> 01:05:53.880
about it. No, not at all. They find a Coyota

1213
01:05:54.480 --> 01:05:57.039
scruis them over, they fight their way out and oh

1214
01:05:57.079 --> 01:06:01.840
my god, when quietly Oh died, so sad, and it's

1215
01:06:01.840 --> 01:06:04.840
so she has to leave him there because she has

1216
01:06:04.880 --> 01:06:07.000
to keep going. And she's like, I can't take you

1217
01:06:07.079 --> 01:06:09.639
with me. That got me, that got me to, that

1218
01:06:09.679 --> 01:06:12.199
got me to and it was rough, it was rough.

1219
01:06:12.960 --> 01:06:14.880
And then I think I can see how after that

1220
01:06:14.920 --> 01:06:16.719
it's a little hard for her to get there. But

1221
01:06:17.039 --> 01:06:21.280
the spirits gude power her ancestors exactly, Her ancestors are

1222
01:06:21.280 --> 01:06:25.440
telling her where to go. Makes sense. I'm not questioning

1223
01:06:25.519 --> 01:06:27.960
anything is possible with the guy. When your ancestors are

1224
01:06:28.000 --> 01:06:30.039
helping you out, Yeah, you can do anything. And so

1225
01:06:30.079 --> 01:06:32.960
she gets to because at this point there's in the US,

1226
01:06:32.960 --> 01:06:35.519
but they're like in a border town. Basically, they're barely

1227
01:06:35.559 --> 01:06:38.920
across the border. Yeah, somewhere in the South Texas. She

1228
01:06:38.960 --> 01:06:41.519
makes your way to New York. Yeah, she makes her

1229
01:06:41.519 --> 01:06:46.480
with her ancestors. Yeah, so to me, believable. And meanwhile

1230
01:06:46.679 --> 01:06:52.440
in the Sancha's house, she has hit the fan. Uh, Carmen,

1231
01:06:52.920 --> 01:06:57.880
Carmen saw They're all they're all from ess Luna. Yeah,

1232
01:06:58.079 --> 01:07:02.119
her room, grass hoppers everywhere. You can't open the door,

1233
01:07:02.280 --> 01:07:05.920
like they have basically ignored her because they can't. They

1234
01:07:05.960 --> 01:07:07.800
don't know what to do with her. They just let

1235
01:07:07.800 --> 01:07:11.679
her shut herself into her room. Like. Yeah, Carmen finally

1236
01:07:11.760 --> 01:07:14.760
contacted help. She called Father vet On in Mexico and

1237
01:07:14.800 --> 01:07:17.599
he's like, this is possession. I don't know what I

1238
01:07:17.679 --> 01:07:19.480
can do, but I'm gonna make my ways and I'm

1239
01:07:19.480 --> 01:07:21.159
gonna help you. We're going to meet on this day

1240
01:07:21.239 --> 01:07:23.360
and it's like the holidays now. And also he does

1241
01:07:23.400 --> 01:07:25.800
some research before he goes down there and that was

1242
01:07:25.840 --> 01:07:28.599
super interesting too. That was so cool to read. Yeah,

1243
01:07:28.639 --> 01:07:31.360
he goes down to webla or something to like where

1244
01:07:31.400 --> 01:07:34.440
the all the archives are and all these like codexes

1245
01:07:34.519 --> 01:07:37.639
and shit, and he looks into like what is a

1246
01:07:38.239 --> 01:07:40.760
ritual that can help and all these other things and

1247
01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:43.159
that it was fascinating to read. And this is where

1248
01:07:43.159 --> 01:07:47.280
we learn about the apocalypse basically and the Fifth Son

1249
01:07:47.719 --> 01:07:53.280
and how they never got to complete I guess that ritual. Yeah,

1250
01:07:53.320 --> 01:07:56.840
and so it's not good for anyone, anyone. Yeah, this

1251
01:07:56.880 --> 01:07:57.920
is going to be the end of the world. That's

1252
01:07:57.920 --> 01:08:01.440
gonna stop it. Yeah, and Luna's bringing up On. Yeah,

1253
01:08:01.480 --> 01:08:03.719
so father Vidon is like, look, I'm gonna do what

1254
01:08:03.760 --> 01:08:06.920
I can. And so he is also heading towards New York.

1255
01:08:07.000 --> 01:08:09.280
He gets on a plane, he goes through his journey too,

1256
01:08:09.639 --> 01:08:12.519
and then he dies. Yeah. I feel bad for him.

1257
01:08:12.519 --> 01:08:14.960
I did, because I feel like, yeah, he was he

1258
01:08:15.320 --> 01:08:17.680
like you could see he was just he was just

1259
01:08:17.920 --> 01:08:21.560
trying to help and he felt bad for what priests

1260
01:08:21.560 --> 01:08:26.119
in the past had done. But you know he wasn't

1261
01:08:26.119 --> 01:08:30.239
the way the didn't care. Yeah, it didn't care if

1262
01:08:30.399 --> 01:08:36.000
you're a good no, yeah, no, it doesn't matter. And yeah,

1263
01:08:36.039 --> 01:08:39.960
his death was so sad. It was. And then Carmen

1264
01:08:40.000 --> 01:08:42.600
doesn't know when do they learn. She calls the hotel.

1265
01:08:42.720 --> 01:08:45.399
She gets hotels like, hey, father Vidon, is he in

1266
01:08:45.399 --> 01:08:47.319
this room? He was supposed to meet me? And then

1267
01:08:47.439 --> 01:08:50.159
the waiter not waiter, the hotel person is like, ooh,

1268
01:08:50.600 --> 01:08:52.680
actually the police are in there right now. He's dead.

1269
01:08:52.760 --> 01:08:54.279
And she's like, oh my god, Oh my god, who's

1270
01:08:54.279 --> 01:08:56.399
gonna help me now? Yeah, but she he did kind

1271
01:08:56.439 --> 01:08:57.960
of tell her a little bit about what they needed

1272
01:08:58.000 --> 01:09:00.760
to do, so try it on their own. Yeah, they're

1273
01:09:00.760 --> 01:09:03.760
gonna they're doing whatever they need to because also, shit

1274
01:09:03.880 --> 01:09:06.199
is going down now. Now, it's getting so much worse.

1275
01:09:06.880 --> 01:09:12.079
Now there's like these moths, uh everywhere, Yeah, attacking, like

1276
01:09:12.199 --> 01:09:14.560
taking over the sky. He said. And her boyfriend were

1277
01:09:14.560 --> 01:09:16.640
in a car accident because he couldn't even see. Now

1278
01:09:16.680 --> 01:09:18.520
he's in a coma. He's in a key. He's in

1279
01:09:18.520 --> 01:09:22.600
a coma. Now everyone's inna coma. Everyone's faking dying. Yeah, literally,

1280
01:09:22.760 --> 01:09:26.960
that is what happens in the apocalypse. That's the apocalypse

1281
01:09:26.960 --> 01:09:30.479
and shut it down. Yes, And so he said, you know,

1282
01:09:30.840 --> 01:09:33.319
rushes back to her mom. She's like, we're gonna do this,

1283
01:09:33.399 --> 01:09:35.279
Richu war ourselves. We need to make a fire, a

1284
01:09:35.359 --> 01:09:38.039
very very big fire to try and stop this. And

1285
01:09:38.079 --> 01:09:40.159
then you know they're trying to do this, and yours

1286
01:09:40.439 --> 01:09:42.680
arrives at some point. Yeah, she gets there, I think

1287
01:09:42.720 --> 01:09:44.640
as soon as they're about to start the fire, and

1288
01:09:44.680 --> 01:09:48.039
she knows what to do. Yeah, because she's amazing, she's

1289
01:09:48.079 --> 01:09:50.720
the best. The ancestors have guided her to exactly where

1290
01:09:50.760 --> 01:09:53.760
she needs to go. And this part too, I think

1291
01:09:53.800 --> 01:09:55.600
to some it seems a little like all right, this

1292
01:09:55.760 --> 01:09:58.319
kind of fell like at the point at this point,

1293
01:09:58.359 --> 01:10:00.479
but I thought it was like, it's not I mean

1294
01:10:00.520 --> 01:10:03.560
it's I thought it was powerful, like her speaking to

1295
01:10:04.319 --> 01:10:08.159
the Yes, is it Sally or is it Sally's mom?

1296
01:10:08.439 --> 01:10:12.039
Oh okay, she's looking for her daughter for kit Sally? Yeah?

1297
01:10:12.159 --> 01:10:14.159
Or is it Sally? I'm not sure because it's the

1298
01:10:14.239 --> 01:10:16.760
old lady. You know what I think the old lady

1299
01:10:17.439 --> 01:10:21.560
goes to because has we skipped over this, but has

1300
01:10:21.600 --> 01:10:24.760
a see a dream where she sees she basically old woman.

1301
01:10:24.880 --> 01:10:28.079
What happens, yeah, the old lady. Oh, it is good

1302
01:10:28.119 --> 01:10:30.800
Sally because they catch up. They're chasing her, after her

1303
01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:34.079
to catch up to Ko Sally. They like are killing

1304
01:10:34.119 --> 01:10:37.000
her and she curses everyone as they're killing her. This

1305
01:10:37.079 --> 01:10:39.680
part was insane. Oh my god, I kind of want

1306
01:10:39.680 --> 01:10:41.680
to find it because yeah, it was. It was a

1307
01:10:41.720 --> 01:10:45.000
lot the way she curses them. That's why they're in

1308
01:10:45.039 --> 01:10:47.600
the predicament there right now because of this curse. But

1309
01:10:47.760 --> 01:10:50.159
have no I should have marked down, like I didn't

1310
01:10:50.199 --> 01:10:52.560
mark down that part because I didn't read that part.

1311
01:10:52.600 --> 01:10:54.640
I listened to it. Oh, but I'm like, where does

1312
01:10:54.680 --> 01:10:58.600
it happen before she leaves it? Just before she completely

1313
01:10:58.600 --> 01:11:01.279
loses it. I want to say, I forgot to say.

1314
01:11:01.279 --> 01:11:05.479
There's a part where Luna before all this Luna calls sorry,

1315
01:11:05.479 --> 01:11:13.279
Carmen hears Luna funny till excuses that. Yeah. Yeah, I

1316
01:11:13.319 --> 01:11:16.560
was like, oh my gosh, the way that would never happen.

1317
01:11:18.920 --> 01:11:21.000
I can't find it. I can't find it because I

1318
01:11:21.119 --> 01:11:23.760
just got it. This butterfly scene, I don't remember when

1319
01:11:23.760 --> 01:11:28.560
it happens, but it's such a powerful, powerful, terrifying scene.

1320
01:11:28.960 --> 01:11:33.159
But I mean, like basically we see the from the prologue,

1321
01:11:33.279 --> 01:11:36.760
is it continues that we see the Friars catch up

1322
01:11:36.800 --> 01:11:40.560
to get Sally. They you know, are going to kill her.

1323
01:11:39.720 --> 01:11:43.520
Oh I'm almost there, because in fifteen you want to

1324
01:11:43.560 --> 01:11:46.119
calls Quatly to tell him about the dream, and he's like,

1325
01:11:46.159 --> 01:11:47.960
you're calling me at this time to tell me about

1326
01:11:47.960 --> 01:11:51.880
a dream. So I'm almosh, I was there. Okay, Okay,

1327
01:11:52.039 --> 01:11:55.000
thirteen is them at the house. I think, no, that's

1328
01:11:55.039 --> 01:11:58.079
so good. It happens early on then, yeah, I feel

1329
01:11:58.119 --> 01:12:00.720
like everything kind of happened so fast. So you know,

1330
01:12:01.000 --> 01:12:03.640
that's why I don't understand. I saw the critiques of

1331
01:12:03.680 --> 01:12:06.319
this book that it's like it's slow and then picks up.

1332
01:12:06.319 --> 01:12:09.800
But I'm like, to me, just like from beginning to end,

1333
01:12:10.119 --> 01:12:12.760
I you get like you have to have I feel

1334
01:12:12.760 --> 01:12:15.520
like you have to be like Latina to enjoy reading

1335
01:12:15.560 --> 01:12:18.680
about their time in Mexico. And I don't know, I

1336
01:12:18.680 --> 01:12:21.119
mean I wish you wouldn't have to. Yeah, what does

1337
01:12:21.199 --> 01:12:23.800
it happen? Because she but I mean that's really it.

1338
01:12:23.920 --> 01:12:27.800
But also when is it that your sees everyone and

1339
01:12:27.880 --> 01:12:30.640
she sees quatly. Oh that part was so beautiful. It's

1340
01:12:31.079 --> 01:12:34.840
the ending right before she gets there. Literally, everything happens

1341
01:12:34.840 --> 01:12:38.920
so fast, like yeah, from her leaving quietly to get

1342
01:12:38.960 --> 01:12:42.640
into New York, the part yeah vedon dies on page

1343
01:12:42.640 --> 01:12:45.840
tuos MD, and then like there's not a lot of

1344
01:12:45.840 --> 01:12:48.279
book left and Joy still has to get to them.

1345
01:12:48.319 --> 01:12:50.640
Like it's insane. They're going to make the fire that's

1346
01:12:50.640 --> 01:12:52.479
on two seventy six. Yeah, I don't know where her

1347
01:12:52.560 --> 01:12:55.880
dream happens, but it's insane. That part is so good. Yeah,

1348
01:12:56.079 --> 01:12:59.600
but as they're about to make the giant fire, Oh,

1349
01:12:59.640 --> 01:13:04.960
I think I found it. It might be in twenty one. Yes,

1350
01:13:05.039 --> 01:13:08.359
it's in chapter twenty one. So she like starts to

1351
01:13:08.439 --> 01:13:11.760
drifting off and then she like wakes up and she

1352
01:13:11.840 --> 01:13:15.960
realizes it's do Laningo. But before development, so she's in

1353
01:13:16.000 --> 01:13:19.880
the forest and she sees an old woman hunch like

1354
01:13:19.920 --> 01:13:23.359
a haggard old woman, hunched over and I think this

1355
01:13:23.560 --> 01:13:26.640
she's like either digging something. This is where she realizes,

1356
01:13:26.680 --> 01:13:29.199
that's where she knows the song from. It's like from

1357
01:13:29.199 --> 01:13:32.920
their ancestors. The friars catch up to the women and

1358
01:13:33.119 --> 01:13:34.840
the priest is like, I'll give you a credit. I

1359
01:13:34.840 --> 01:13:37.039
didn't expect to have to chase you this far. And

1360
01:13:37.079 --> 01:13:39.319
I'm pretty sure it's Katsally. I feel like it's kitz

1361
01:13:39.359 --> 01:13:41.760
Sally made me think of that because Katali we see

1362
01:13:41.760 --> 01:13:45.520
her running away from them. Yeah, and it's years later. Yeah,

1363
01:13:45.720 --> 01:13:49.000
the fire, this is just so brutal. She's trying to

1364
01:13:49.039 --> 01:13:52.399
finish the the ritual, right, is that she's doing her

1365
01:13:52.399 --> 01:13:55.039
stem or something? Yeah big, I don't know. Yeah. The

1366
01:13:55.319 --> 01:13:59.279
priest that finds her, they be her basically, Yeah, they

1367
01:13:59.279 --> 01:14:02.520
tell her horrible things. Yeah. Yorsy is watching all this

1368
01:14:02.760 --> 01:14:05.600
and she's like, man, this is brutal too, Like, yeah,

1369
01:14:05.840 --> 01:14:09.800
she can't take this. Here's the curse. And she says

1370
01:14:09.840 --> 01:14:13.000
this with every ounce of hatred that she can render.

1371
01:14:13.119 --> 01:14:14.720
You know what I mean. I don't know if it's

1372
01:14:14.760 --> 01:14:16.600
the I think it is this. She says, you spill

1373
01:14:16.680 --> 01:14:19.399
my blood to try and erase our gods our language.

1374
01:14:19.760 --> 01:14:21.680
You think spilling blood will see the end of us.

1375
01:14:21.760 --> 01:14:24.119
We've been bleeding into this land since the first sun

1376
01:14:24.319 --> 01:14:27.239
rose over the world. Our gods live in the dirt

1377
01:14:27.279 --> 01:14:29.359
as they live in our blood. Where in the food

1378
01:14:29.560 --> 01:14:32.399
your bastard soldiers will eat from the crops and the water,

1379
01:14:32.479 --> 01:14:35.640
you be foul. And then she like cuts herself, takes

1380
01:14:35.720 --> 01:14:40.000
out her entrails and digs them up right, Yeah, yeah,

1381
01:14:40.079 --> 01:14:43.680
digs them. They start falling, our sacrifice basically, yeah. Her

1382
01:14:43.680 --> 01:14:46.560
introls begin to fall out, along with many pieces of

1383
01:14:46.680 --> 01:14:50.239
large clay. And then she also says, my rage is

1384
01:14:50.239 --> 01:14:52.119
the rage of my gods, the rage of my people,

1385
01:14:52.239 --> 01:14:54.880
the rage of my blood. You've spilled it will last

1386
01:14:54.960 --> 01:14:57.079
as long as my heart. And then she casts her

1387
01:14:57.079 --> 01:15:03.479
heart into the remaining embers of her fire. She she yeah,

1388
01:15:03.520 --> 01:15:07.239
this is her sacrifice and her curse. Oh and right

1389
01:15:07.279 --> 01:15:10.039
after this dream is when yourty loses it. So then

1390
01:15:10.239 --> 01:15:13.800
everything else that we mentioned before her journey and everything

1391
01:15:13.880 --> 01:15:17.560
with quietly to the United States happens after this. Yes,

1392
01:15:17.760 --> 01:15:20.880
and this that is Katally, the same girl that is

1393
01:15:20.920 --> 01:15:29.479
now possessing Luna. So Yorty gets to them as they're

1394
01:15:29.520 --> 01:15:32.399
like making the giant fire, and I want to say

1395
01:15:32.479 --> 01:15:34.800
carman ran into the house. He said, it's still outside.

1396
01:15:34.880 --> 01:15:36.920
She sees your tea first, She's like, it's me or

1397
01:15:37.119 --> 01:15:39.319
don't want to worry. Yeah, because she said I thought

1398
01:15:39.319 --> 01:15:41.600
it would get with wine and dragged. At this point, yeah,

1399
01:15:41.760 --> 01:15:43.720
she's looking rough. She's like, what are you doing here?

1400
01:15:43.800 --> 01:15:45.520
She's like, I'm here to stop all this. And she

1401
01:15:45.640 --> 01:15:48.920
asked where Quietly is and I almost cried again because

1402
01:15:49.000 --> 01:15:50.840
Quietly didn't make it. I know, I'm trying to find

1403
01:15:50.880 --> 01:15:52.720
where she sees them because I want to, like it's

1404
01:15:52.720 --> 01:15:54.760
a little bit after this, I think we're not Page

1405
01:15:54.800 --> 01:15:57.479
twenty one. She asks them if they're attempting a new

1406
01:15:57.520 --> 01:15:59.960
fire ceremony, and he said He's like yeah, a father

1407
01:16:00.079 --> 01:16:02.600
Vedon was supposed to do it with them and an exorcism,

1408
01:16:02.640 --> 01:16:04.880
but he also didn't make it. So this is kind

1409
01:16:04.880 --> 01:16:06.520
of like there. This is the part of the movie

1410
01:16:06.520 --> 01:16:09.600
where they're acknowledging their losses, like, yeah, father Vedon didn't

1411
01:16:09.600 --> 01:16:13.439
make it. Quietly didn't make it. Oh, and it's rough.

1412
01:16:13.439 --> 01:16:17.119
It's rough. And this is where Orsi starts singing the

1413
01:16:17.159 --> 01:16:20.079
song that she's been accidentally singing the whole time. I

1414
01:16:20.119 --> 01:16:22.720
found where she sees quietly, Oh yeah, there he passes,

1415
01:16:22.760 --> 01:16:24.760
because you know she's been seeing her ancestors. This whole

1416
01:16:24.800 --> 01:16:27.760
tis right, it's on to sixty four quietly of course,

1417
01:16:27.800 --> 01:16:32.159
has already passed away. She keeps making her way and

1418
01:16:32.199 --> 01:16:36.199
as she's crossing into the Texas state line, she's drifting

1419
01:16:36.239 --> 01:16:41.159
off into sleep and she sees specters guiding her along

1420
01:16:41.199 --> 01:16:45.279
the highway, and then it says, among the luminous, indiscernible faces,

1421
01:16:45.319 --> 01:16:48.680
she saw quad Lee's grinning face. I'm gonna cry. Sorry,

1422
01:16:49.239 --> 01:16:51.720
I gotcha. And he knew he and knew he had

1423
01:16:51.760 --> 01:16:53.800
been telling the truth when he said he'd be watching

1424
01:16:53.880 --> 01:16:58.520
now for everyone. I think this is hitting harder because

1425
01:16:58.520 --> 01:17:03.439
also the other Muertos, just as sign. I don't know

1426
01:17:03.479 --> 01:17:07.560
if I can say it without crying. So, as I've

1427
01:17:07.600 --> 01:17:11.960
said many times, i haven't gone through it through this year,

1428
01:17:12.640 --> 01:17:17.560
and we're really like the past two to three years. Yeah,

1429
01:17:17.600 --> 01:17:21.760
and I'm gonna cry. So so yeah, I was saying

1430
01:17:22.119 --> 01:17:23.840
I've been going through it just a little bit after

1431
01:17:23.920 --> 01:17:26.880
I would pass away, and I've had a few dreams

1432
01:17:26.920 --> 01:17:28.520
of him, and so my mom always says, it's because

1433
01:17:28.520 --> 01:17:31.199
he knows you're going through it, so he does I've

1434
01:17:31.239 --> 01:17:34.439
had zero dreams. Yeah, I have not had these little

1435
01:17:34.479 --> 01:17:38.039
signs that other people have. And he just he knows

1436
01:17:38.079 --> 01:17:39.840
and you need him more than me, right, And that's

1437
01:17:39.840 --> 01:17:42.119
why my mom says and brings me to tears every time,

1438
01:17:42.279 --> 01:17:46.119
and so on the other mortals. I lit my first

1439
01:17:46.279 --> 01:17:54.680
candles and I was already crying, and I the way

1440
01:17:54.720 --> 01:17:57.439
my house is, like, my kitchen is a little closed off,

1441
01:17:57.479 --> 01:17:59.199
but there's like a door that was there, so it's

1442
01:17:59.239 --> 01:18:01.319
like a door frame. And then I could see the

1443
01:18:01.319 --> 01:18:05.000
window that faces out to one part of the backyard

1444
01:18:05.039 --> 01:18:07.279
and so I look out and there's like a hummingbird

1445
01:18:07.439 --> 01:18:11.600
on colibrit yes, at the window, and I my husband

1446
01:18:11.600 --> 01:18:13.079
was in the kitchen. He was looking somewhere else in

1447
01:18:13.079 --> 01:18:15.159
the kitchen though, and I was like, look a hummingbird.

1448
01:18:15.439 --> 01:18:17.760
But then he turned and it was already gone. So

1449
01:18:17.840 --> 01:18:19.760
it felt like it was just for me, just for

1450
01:18:19.800 --> 01:18:24.239
you to see. Yeah, yeah, and like I know other people,

1451
01:18:24.479 --> 01:18:28.439
just a bird Mexicans co Libri. Did you ever see

1452
01:18:28.479 --> 01:18:31.920
that that video I saw? I shared it. He probably

1453
01:18:31.960 --> 01:18:35.119
said it to me, Oh yeah, No. The one I

1454
01:18:35.159 --> 01:18:37.319
saw was a meme on Instagram. Just at the picture.

1455
01:18:37.439 --> 01:18:39.560
It's like the little funny looking dog with a hat

1456
01:18:39.600 --> 01:18:42.359
on that store and it's like, looks like it's crying.

1457
01:18:42.399 --> 01:18:46.159
And there's a humming bird you yeah, yeah, that was

1458
01:18:46.199 --> 01:18:48.199
That's what that was you, but it was him. It

1459
01:18:48.199 --> 01:18:50.039
felt so real. So I'm like, it has to be.

1460
01:18:50.199 --> 01:18:52.840
It has to it has to And and I don't

1461
01:18:52.840 --> 01:18:56.520
see humming birds anywhere. I can't tell you the last

1462
01:18:56.520 --> 01:19:00.520
time I saw a hummingbird. Yeah. So yeah that reading

1463
01:19:00.560 --> 01:19:04.159
that part right now again it hit even harder. Yeah,

1464
01:19:04.199 --> 01:19:06.520
and like these signs there they are in places you

1465
01:19:06.560 --> 01:19:10.000
know there's Yeah, it's real. And so now back to

1466
01:19:10.039 --> 01:19:13.720
where we are in the book, we're Amostone's making her

1467
01:19:13.760 --> 01:19:15.279
way in the house with the cell behind her, and

1468
01:19:15.279 --> 01:19:17.880
she's singing the song for people I love honesty. I

1469
01:19:17.880 --> 01:19:19.800
want to listen to the audiobook just to listen to

1470
01:19:19.800 --> 01:19:22.159
that again, just to hear these word. Times I heard it,

1471
01:19:22.199 --> 01:19:25.399
I was like I felt like a piece inside. No,

1472
01:19:25.760 --> 01:19:28.520
it was so comforting, it was. It really was just

1473
01:19:28.560 --> 01:19:31.520
something about I don't know and again like you and

1474
01:19:31.560 --> 01:19:35.159
I we don't know what what like old and said

1475
01:19:35.199 --> 01:19:37.760
what it meant? Yea also kind of happy it doesn't

1476
01:19:37.760 --> 01:19:40.520
at the same time, that's true. I get what you're saying,

1477
01:19:40.720 --> 01:19:43.119
I get what you're saying. It's it sounds beautiful, It

1478
01:19:43.119 --> 01:19:46.199
really does. She's seeing these words. They're walking through the house,

1479
01:19:46.600 --> 01:19:51.479
the the entity that has been possessing her. Kit Sally,

1480
01:19:51.640 --> 01:19:55.239
She's hurt, She is hurting. She saw these horrible things.

1481
01:19:55.319 --> 01:19:57.920
It was the end of her world. What happened, you know,

1482
01:19:58.199 --> 01:20:01.520
it was even though the world went on, like they

1483
01:20:01.560 --> 01:20:05.039
were destroyed. Yeah, and she saw such horrible things. She's

1484
01:20:05.079 --> 01:20:07.560
in so much pain. And your scene knows it. Your

1485
01:20:07.600 --> 01:20:10.439
sey isn't blaming her. Your sy isn't like saying you evil.

1486
01:20:10.479 --> 01:20:12.720
You know how the movies are casting out a demon

1487
01:20:12.760 --> 01:20:15.479
and they're being so vicious about it. Your see is

1488
01:20:15.560 --> 01:20:20.039
being so empathetic. Kait Sally needs it, and this it

1489
01:20:20.079 --> 01:20:23.199
was just it was so beautiful, reminding her like Luna,

1490
01:20:23.279 --> 01:20:28.119
this is your family. Kit Sally is like, no, it's anymore.

1491
01:20:28.439 --> 01:20:30.760
You're just like you know what, Kitsally, I saw you.

1492
01:20:30.920 --> 01:20:33.239
I saw you that night that you create those men.

1493
01:20:33.800 --> 01:20:36.199
And she sings this. She keeps singing the song and

1494
01:20:36.279 --> 01:20:40.000
her ancestors are singing with her. They surround her, Yeah,

1495
01:20:40.119 --> 01:20:42.520
and they are singing with her. Her and Luna are

1496
01:20:42.560 --> 01:20:46.680
like locked in this strands together the ancestors are all there,

1497
01:20:47.079 --> 01:20:50.720
and they had to separate the pinata from the heart

1498
01:20:50.800 --> 01:20:53.760
that's inside the pinata. And so while your see is

1499
01:20:53.840 --> 01:20:57.279
like saying all these things, Luna and not Luna, he said,

1500
01:20:57.359 --> 01:21:00.800
has to grab it and pulse it apart based and

1501
01:21:00.800 --> 01:21:02.720
then they have to throw it in the fire. And

1502
01:21:02.840 --> 01:21:05.880
so her and Jorsey like run after they pull this

1503
01:21:06.199 --> 01:21:08.760
to go throw it in the fire, and Carmen stays

1504
01:21:09.079 --> 01:21:11.600
to try and stop the demon from her not demon,

1505
01:21:11.680 --> 01:21:15.119
but like the you know, mim from following so that

1506
01:21:15.159 --> 01:21:18.640
they can burn it. Yeah, Yorsey continues, you pitting the

1507
01:21:18.680 --> 01:21:21.720
same song and like I'm gonna read the words, but

1508
01:21:21.760 --> 01:21:23.119
like they're not gonna sound as good as they do

1509
01:21:23.159 --> 01:21:26.800
on the audiobook. But yeah, wa in so ChIL siki

1510
01:21:26.920 --> 01:21:35.159
yeats laslas sola I sail. And again it sounds way

1511
01:21:35.159 --> 01:21:37.840
better than the audiobook. I'm amazing. Honestly, I don't know

1512
01:21:37.840 --> 01:21:40.319
what it means that I don't want to It just

1513
01:21:40.359 --> 01:21:43.680
sounds so beautiful. I want to keep it for them.

1514
01:21:44.319 --> 01:21:49.720
But it was comforting. Yes, I completely agree. And once

1515
01:21:49.760 --> 01:21:52.159
they throw it in the fire, it's Luna again. You

1516
01:21:52.159 --> 01:21:54.279
can tell. And now you're seeing the old women are

1517
01:21:54.319 --> 01:21:56.319
like looking at each other. I think, is what's happening.

1518
01:21:56.600 --> 01:21:59.119
And the old woman says, get Suddenly, I came all

1519
01:21:59.119 --> 01:22:01.359
the way, all this way for you and it's too late.

1520
01:22:01.479 --> 01:22:03.720
And it's like she just wanted her daughter. She was

1521
01:22:03.800 --> 01:22:06.760
trying to find her daughter too. It's just so sad.

1522
01:22:06.880 --> 01:22:10.720
It really is, like you understand her anger. Yeah, and

1523
01:22:10.760 --> 01:22:12.560
then the thing I didn't like though, kind of like

1524
01:22:12.760 --> 01:22:15.279
the Sanchez family. They're hugging each other, they're embracing each other.

1525
01:22:15.720 --> 01:22:19.159
They turn around looking for You're gone. I wish they

1526
01:22:19.199 --> 01:22:21.880
would have had a time, like a debriefing together. Yeah,

1527
01:22:21.920 --> 01:22:25.159
but yeah, she has she has things. She knows what

1528
01:22:25.199 --> 01:22:27.840
she needs to do because your ancestors are guiding her.

1529
01:22:28.319 --> 01:22:31.199
And yeah, she she has to get to work immediately. Yeah,

1530
01:22:31.239 --> 01:22:34.359
and the book ends, Oh sorry, Luna has the dream

1531
01:22:34.399 --> 01:22:37.000
of her own. After all this, everyone's okay. I goes

1532
01:22:37.000 --> 01:22:39.119
to the hospital at the end. Oh my god, that

1533
01:22:39.239 --> 01:22:41.600
was also so beautiful. I forgot about this. Yeah, this

1534
01:22:41.720 --> 01:22:45.159
is actually how I wanted to say really quick. So, yeah,

1535
01:22:45.199 --> 01:22:50.560
you talked about how basically this goddess spirit whatever was angry.

1536
01:22:51.000 --> 01:22:54.359
I guess she's a meya. But anyway, Yeah, she's like

1537
01:22:54.399 --> 01:22:57.680
talking to her and yeah, you said about the Kitali.

1538
01:22:57.760 --> 01:22:59.239
When she says, I came all this way for you,

1539
01:22:59.279 --> 01:23:03.680
but I was too late, and that's when she dissipates, right, yes, yeah,

1540
01:23:03.880 --> 01:23:07.039
and so then Carmen asked what was that? And then Luna.

1541
01:23:07.159 --> 01:23:08.840
I thought it was one who said this, But Luna

1542
01:23:08.880 --> 01:23:10.319
is the one who says she wanted the same thing

1543
01:23:10.359 --> 01:23:12.560
you wanted. She want her family back, She wanted their

1544
01:23:12.560 --> 01:23:14.359
home to be returned to how it was. And then

1545
01:23:14.479 --> 01:23:17.680
Yortzy says, we have to live among the living. History

1546
01:23:17.720 --> 01:23:20.680
moves with the swift cruelty fighting. It is impossible. The

1547
01:23:20.680 --> 01:23:23.399
spirits of the dead, unable to leave their grudges behind,

1548
01:23:23.520 --> 01:23:25.920
poison the air for the living. Luckily, many of my

1549
01:23:25.960 --> 01:23:29.079
ancestors understood that more than others. Without them, I would

1550
01:23:29.119 --> 01:23:30.920
have never been able to stop the door from fully

1551
01:23:30.920 --> 01:23:32.960
opening within your daughter. So I don't know, I like,

1552
01:23:33.039 --> 01:23:36.199
I kind of liked reading that because I think it's easy.

1553
01:23:36.279 --> 01:23:39.079
It helped. It's It's like to me, what I said

1554
01:23:39.239 --> 01:23:42.039
is like, it's easier to hold on to the hatred, yes,

1555
01:23:42.279 --> 01:23:45.119
than to like accept you have. The harder thing is

1556
01:23:45.159 --> 01:23:48.079
like the world. It's like you have to accept that

1557
01:23:48.119 --> 01:23:53.439
book the reality yes, even though for Katally and her

1558
01:23:53.479 --> 01:23:56.319
whole entire family, her brother literally got Vita down in

1559
01:23:56.359 --> 01:23:59.159
front of her, her mom and her were separated, so many,

1560
01:23:59.199 --> 01:24:02.359
so many deaths, so so much pain. We you know,

1561
01:24:02.520 --> 01:24:06.319
unfortunately come from that pain and the people that brought

1562
01:24:06.319 --> 01:24:10.159
on that pain. And at some point, yeah, it happened,

1563
01:24:10.279 --> 01:24:14.840
and it's terrible, and yeah, the cry, you know what

1564
01:24:14.920 --> 01:24:16.439
remind me of I don't want to bring this back

1565
01:24:16.479 --> 01:24:21.119
to Avatar, but it reminded me of when he finds

1566
01:24:21.199 --> 01:24:27.439
out about his the air Nomads being killed. Yes, yeah,

1567
01:24:27.760 --> 01:24:30.800
and him being the last Airbender. He's like the only

1568
01:24:30.840 --> 01:24:33.439
one left, and like the pain that he feels and

1569
01:24:33.439 --> 01:24:36.239
he goes into Avatar mode and then Katara's like, no,

1570
01:24:36.359 --> 01:24:38.359
like we have to move on, blahlah blah. Like that's

1571
01:24:38.359 --> 01:24:40.399
what it reminds me of the whole time that Yot

1572
01:24:40.600 --> 01:24:42.640
was like trying to talk the spirit down. That's what

1573
01:24:42.720 --> 01:24:45.800
reminded me of. Yeah, oh my god, scene for scene. Yeah, yeah,

1574
01:24:45.920 --> 01:24:48.239
I just love how you're always bringing things back to Avatar.

1575
01:24:48.359 --> 01:24:50.760
I really am. And I really like the live version

1576
01:24:51.279 --> 01:24:54.000
or whatever it's called, the Hive Action, especially because it's

1577
01:24:54.000 --> 01:24:56.760
a little bit different than the cartoon and they show

1578
01:24:57.159 --> 01:25:00.760
the Airbenders fighting and they don't show that in the cartoon,

1579
01:25:00.800 --> 01:25:02.680
and it made me cry. Legit, it made me cry

1580
01:25:02.720 --> 01:25:05.600
because I'm like, they fought, yeah, you know, they fought

1581
01:25:05.720 --> 01:25:08.560
to their last breath, and I was like crying. Yeah,

1582
01:25:08.760 --> 01:25:11.960
it just makes me think all again all the horrible

1583
01:25:12.000 --> 01:25:14.319
things that our aunt sisters have gone through and and

1584
01:25:14.359 --> 01:25:17.760
sadly for so many of us, it's like the same,

1585
01:25:18.039 --> 01:25:20.920
both sides of it are present, right, yeah, but yeah,

1586
01:25:21.199 --> 01:25:24.960
it's horrible and it's something still happening today to indigenous

1587
01:25:25.000 --> 01:25:28.520
people and they're out here still fighting, like the them

1588
01:25:28.800 --> 01:25:33.399
being alive today is resisting its power, you know. And

1589
01:25:33.439 --> 01:25:36.760
that's just that your tea. That's what she's basically saying

1590
01:25:36.760 --> 01:25:38.920
too at the end. But back to the net dream,

1591
01:25:38.960 --> 01:25:43.000
that's just the last thing that happens. Sorry, well you

1592
01:25:43.000 --> 01:25:44.760
told me to speed things up. Okay, I'm so sorry.

1593
01:25:44.760 --> 01:25:46.600
I know I did. But now that I'm like, have

1594
01:25:46.640 --> 01:25:48.680
the book open in front of me, I I'm the

1595
01:25:48.760 --> 01:25:50.359
last page. You know where we talked about your tea.

1596
01:25:50.479 --> 01:25:54.319
You know, she has stuff to do. Yeah, and you know,

1597
01:25:54.359 --> 01:25:57.560
as she's walking away, like our ancestors are all like

1598
01:25:57.680 --> 01:25:59.960
around her, right, and she says the dead are now

1599
01:26:00.039 --> 01:26:03.479
ever really gone? They stick around in the soil, the dust,

1600
01:26:03.600 --> 01:26:06.439
in our stories and songs, Traces of them, all of

1601
01:26:06.479 --> 01:26:09.640
those within me now, traces shades of the past from

1602
01:26:09.680 --> 01:26:11.920
in a picture. And then her ancestors respond to her

1603
01:26:12.640 --> 01:26:14.399
like in her head and they're like, why would God

1604
01:26:14.520 --> 01:26:16.760
be any different? So she like, I feel like she

1605
01:26:16.800 --> 01:26:19.600
knows she has to keep going. Yes, yeah, okay, now,

1606
01:26:20.479 --> 01:26:22.560
and that's that's the last thing we see of Yorzy.

1607
01:26:22.840 --> 01:26:25.520
She wanders off, and I want a whole book of

1608
01:26:25.640 --> 01:26:30.600
Yorksey's adventures. So yeah, I don't think you're listening, but

1609
01:26:30.640 --> 01:26:32.640
someone please clip this if you know him, and send

1610
01:26:32.680 --> 01:26:36.199
it to him and tell him, like, we need adventures,

1611
01:26:37.560 --> 01:26:41.439
a whole book about what Yorty does after please, yeah, please,

1612
01:26:41.680 --> 01:26:47.319
but I really need that in my life right now. Yeah.

1613
01:26:47.359 --> 01:26:49.800
But so Yorty leaves, everyone has to go to the

1614
01:26:49.840 --> 01:26:53.720
hospital because Josh Annabela are awake. Now Josh's unas or

1615
01:26:53.760 --> 01:26:56.039
he said, his boyfriend that got on the coma after

1616
01:26:56.159 --> 01:27:00.520
the butterflies, Yeah, obstting a butterfly attack. Yes, so they're

1617
01:27:00.520 --> 01:27:02.039
awake and they go to the hospital and then you know,

1618
01:27:02.159 --> 01:27:05.840
things are jolly while they're there. Luna dozes off against

1619
01:27:05.920 --> 01:27:08.239
her mother's chest and she drifts into sleep, and for

1620
01:27:08.279 --> 01:27:11.960
the first time since becoming possessed in Mexico, she has

1621
01:27:12.000 --> 01:27:14.920
a dream. She's in the deep forest, the suns over

1622
01:27:14.920 --> 01:27:18.079
her head. She following a small girl that is going

1623
01:27:18.119 --> 01:27:21.680
through this forest tree. The girl's body is bruised and

1624
01:27:21.720 --> 01:27:24.479
cut from days of traveling. Every once in a while,

1625
01:27:24.520 --> 01:27:28.560
the girl stops and stays still, like she's listening for footsteps.

1626
01:27:28.880 --> 01:27:31.279
This is Katzali, This is Katsani after she ran away.

1627
01:27:31.319 --> 01:27:34.439
They traveled together for days. The girl never aware Luna

1628
01:27:34.479 --> 01:27:37.319
was following, Luna following the whole time. They go to

1629
01:27:37.399 --> 01:27:40.600
a river. The girl breaks into a sprint, and then

1630
01:27:41.000 --> 01:27:44.399
the girl across the water. The girl stares back into

1631
01:27:44.439 --> 01:27:47.399
a group of Nawa tending to a fire and cooking

1632
01:27:47.800 --> 01:27:51.720
what they have foraged. There's women and children among them,

1633
01:27:51.720 --> 01:27:55.520
injured people. They're welcoming refugees by the fire. She sits

1634
01:27:55.600 --> 01:27:59.159
down against a tree and bites into a frew. Finally

1635
01:27:59.199 --> 01:28:02.199
able to rest. They're running for so long. She looks

1636
01:28:02.239 --> 01:28:05.119
into the sun and she hums herself. The song that

1637
01:28:05.520 --> 01:28:08.319
Yorksy has been singing the whole time. The song that

1638
01:28:08.399 --> 01:28:11.760
Yorty is saying to save Luna and just I feel

1639
01:28:11.800 --> 01:28:16.520
like this is Kitzally finally reunited with her family. Yeah right,

1640
01:28:16.760 --> 01:28:19.359
And I almost cried. I wondered if it was. Oh yeah,

1641
01:28:19.359 --> 01:28:22.319
because in the beginning, when Kittali's first running away, do

1642
01:28:22.359 --> 01:28:24.279
they catch up to her? They do? Huh, Now we

1643
01:28:24.319 --> 01:28:26.479
don't never, we don't need a catch up, Okay. So

1644
01:28:26.520 --> 01:28:28.680
I feel like this could either be like in I

1645
01:28:28.680 --> 01:28:30.640
don't know, in the afterlife or something when she re

1646
01:28:30.680 --> 01:28:33.720
unites with her family, or she did escape and found

1647
01:28:33.760 --> 01:28:37.479
refuge with other nahwa and so like her mom, even

1648
01:28:37.479 --> 01:28:41.800
though her mom never found her. She went on to resh, Yeah, yeah,

1649
01:28:43.079 --> 01:28:46.680
I wonder I think you're I feel like I'm right. Yeah,

1650
01:28:46.680 --> 01:28:51.359
I think you're right. And that's fucking amazing. Yeah chills, chills. Yeah.

1651
01:28:51.399 --> 01:28:54.399
So I thought it was a beautiful ending to a

1652
01:28:54.439 --> 01:29:04.079
beautiful book. Me to questions, discussion, questions, We've made it finally. Sorry,

1653
01:29:04.159 --> 01:29:06.359
that was all the recap and thoughts of the book,

1654
01:29:07.199 --> 01:29:11.159
because it was such an amazing book. It was I'm

1655
01:29:11.199 --> 01:29:14.000
going to reread this for sure, me too. This is

1656
01:29:14.039 --> 01:29:17.439
probably gonna be a yearly the read for me. Yes,

1657
01:29:17.720 --> 01:29:20.880
I feel like it's so it's so the other one

1658
01:29:20.880 --> 01:29:24.880
of those. Yeah, just the answers is coming back looking

1659
01:29:24.920 --> 01:29:28.960
for revenge but then uniting to save this Luna and

1660
01:29:29.039 --> 01:29:31.640
the world. The world's amazing, It's gonna be the end

1661
01:29:31.640 --> 01:29:35.159
of the world. Yeah, it was. I love the books.

1662
01:29:35.239 --> 01:29:37.600
Let's get into questions. Yeah, so the first question. The

1663
01:29:37.640 --> 01:29:39.720
book is set in Mexico and then in New York,

1664
01:29:39.760 --> 01:29:41.439
with a lot of history and culture with into it.

1665
01:29:41.479 --> 01:29:43.479
Did you feel like it took away from the story

1666
01:29:43.680 --> 01:29:45.880
or added to it? Oh? For sure, I added to it.

1667
01:29:45.920 --> 01:29:47.880
I feel like we couldn't. This story would not have

1668
01:29:47.960 --> 01:29:51.479
been the same without the history. Yeah, we needed to

1669
01:29:51.479 --> 01:29:54.239
be in Medico for all this to happen, first of all,

1670
01:29:54.479 --> 01:29:57.399
but we also needed to understand the history and the

1671
01:29:57.439 --> 01:30:01.319
horrible things that happened to Sure, sure, Kat Sally into

1672
01:30:01.359 --> 01:30:06.319
the monster's mom. Sally is it Sali mom? Now? I

1673
01:30:06.359 --> 01:30:08.880
don't know, you know what, I'm not sure because yeah,

1674
01:30:09.279 --> 01:30:11.880
in the beginning, okay, with Kit, Sally is the one

1675
01:30:12.119 --> 01:30:15.359
running away, right and then Kit Sally is the one

1676
01:30:15.399 --> 01:30:20.960
who presents herself to Luna, but then for her daughters. Yeah,

1677
01:30:21.359 --> 01:30:23.399
so maybe it's both of them. I don't know. I

1678
01:30:23.479 --> 01:30:26.319
don't know. That's part, isn't I think it's her mom.

1679
01:30:26.479 --> 01:30:29.319
And I think because her mom knows she needed Luna,

1680
01:30:29.840 --> 01:30:34.279
and she presented herself as her daughter, maybe okay to

1681
01:30:34.399 --> 01:30:36.560
lure her. You know, I think you're right. I think

1682
01:30:36.600 --> 01:30:38.720
you're right. Yeah, I think you're right. But let us

1683
01:30:38.800 --> 01:30:40.920
know if you think otherwise. If you have other daughters, yeah,

1684
01:30:40.920 --> 01:30:44.159
we wanted to hear them, and nobody wrote in just kidding,

1685
01:30:44.239 --> 01:30:46.439
just kidding, just kidding, But yeah, no, and I agree

1686
01:30:46.479 --> 01:30:49.000
with you completely that we needed both things. I saw

1687
01:30:49.039 --> 01:30:51.239
some people say that it took away from the experience

1688
01:30:51.319 --> 01:30:54.319
of the book. I'm like, now, you're right. So first

1689
01:30:54.319 --> 01:30:56.680
of all, I don't think you should give an opinion.

1690
01:30:56.880 --> 01:30:58.439
You're not allowed to read this. I think you can

1691
01:30:58.600 --> 01:31:00.600
read this book. I think you need read this book.

1692
01:31:00.640 --> 01:31:01.760
But I don't think you need to let us know

1693
01:31:01.800 --> 01:31:07.000
what we thought about it. No, because it was necessary.

1694
01:31:07.119 --> 01:31:09.600
And for me, first of all, I love like obviously

1695
01:31:09.760 --> 01:31:14.119
me and you we love history, yes, hence our history podcast,

1696
01:31:14.199 --> 01:31:17.000
So I never mind. I love a horror history where

1697
01:31:17.079 --> 01:31:18.760
we get a mix of both. This is why I

1698
01:31:19.000 --> 01:31:26.720
love Garcia does the same thing, Veronica Castro, same thing, honestly,

1699
01:31:26.880 --> 01:31:28.239
and I love it. I'm here for it, and this

1700
01:31:28.319 --> 01:31:30.600
book did it beautifully? Oh yeah, and it was like

1701
01:31:31.239 --> 01:31:33.720
it wasn't like like some I think some books force

1702
01:31:33.800 --> 01:31:35.760
it in to me. It didn't feel worst. Oh no.

1703
01:31:36.039 --> 01:31:39.399
Father Vedon is telling it at one point because he

1704
01:31:39.479 --> 01:31:41.439
needs to learn about the ritual I needs to be done.

1705
01:31:41.960 --> 01:31:45.960
I loved like all of that. Yeah. When quat Lean

1706
01:31:46.560 --> 01:31:48.640
your cr at the house telling the girls the girls

1707
01:31:48.680 --> 01:31:50.399
don't know, they need to know, and they're also letting

1708
01:31:50.479 --> 01:31:52.199
us know like I don't. I didn't. It didn't feel

1709
01:31:52.239 --> 01:31:54.239
worse to me anything. Even if there was more of it.

1710
01:31:54.319 --> 01:31:56.760
I would have loved that too. Yeah. Yeah, because this

1711
01:31:56.800 --> 01:31:57.960
could have been longer and I would have loved it,

1712
01:31:58.000 --> 01:31:59.399
And it could have been more history and I would

1713
01:31:59.439 --> 01:32:03.439
have loved it. Okay, the story is mostly about what

1714
01:32:03.600 --> 01:32:06.159
is happening to Luna, but we get multiple perspectives. How

1715
01:32:06.199 --> 01:32:07.960
did you feel about this? Did you want more from

1716
01:32:08.000 --> 01:32:10.960
certain characters? Or did it add any confusion for you

1717
01:32:11.039 --> 01:32:14.600
to for the plot? I'm sorry, one Moon. Okay, the

1718
01:32:14.680 --> 01:32:17.680
story is mostly about what's happening to Luna, but we

1719
01:32:17.720 --> 01:32:21.840
got multiple perspectives. How did you feel about this? Did

1720
01:32:21.880 --> 01:32:26.000
you want more from certain characters? Did the multiple perspectives

1721
01:32:26.119 --> 01:32:28.720
add confusion to the plot. No, I don't think it

1722
01:32:28.880 --> 01:32:33.560
was confusing. I loved following along everyone's like journeys while

1723
01:32:33.560 --> 01:32:35.560
all of this was happening. I feel like I could

1724
01:32:35.600 --> 01:32:41.359
have used a less of Gottman's thoughts and more of

1725
01:32:41.479 --> 01:32:45.000
your ty thoughts. Like I get it she was a mom,

1726
01:32:45.079 --> 01:32:48.279
But yeah, I would have loved more quietly on me too. Honestly,

1727
01:32:49.239 --> 01:32:52.800
this was in their perspective. I'm just kidding that Wulda

1728
01:32:52.800 --> 01:32:55.520
made sense. It would have made sense. Luna is the

1729
01:32:55.560 --> 01:32:58.319
one being honest to whatever. I personally felt like we

1730
01:32:58.439 --> 01:33:01.039
had enough of Luna. I I don't really even think

1731
01:33:01.079 --> 01:33:06.279
I needed to hear from Luna Orsen, Like, Okay, the

1732
01:33:06.359 --> 01:33:07.920
other podcast that we listened to, they were like, oh,

1733
01:33:07.920 --> 01:33:09.479
I wish I would have got more from is said,

1734
01:33:09.720 --> 01:33:11.760
and I'm like, no, honestly we did. I think we

1735
01:33:11.880 --> 01:33:15.279
got the right amount of Acent me too, if not

1736
01:33:15.439 --> 01:33:18.640
too much, maybe a little less Carmen a little more

1737
01:33:18.720 --> 01:33:22.479
recent once they were back in New York. Yeah, because

1738
01:33:22.479 --> 01:33:25.640
she kind of saw more. But I feel like that

1739
01:33:25.760 --> 01:33:28.199
did happen. We did get less, that is what happened,

1740
01:33:28.239 --> 01:33:30.680
and we did get more of the two kids in school,

1741
01:33:30.840 --> 01:33:33.720
especially once they were in school. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And

1742
01:33:33.880 --> 01:33:37.800
so to me, I could have used less Carmen in Mexico. Yes, yeah,

1743
01:33:37.880 --> 01:33:41.239
me too, like and more history, yeah, and more you

1744
01:33:41.520 --> 01:33:45.960
see more kid Sally honestly, no, like it's Sally in

1745
01:33:46.000 --> 01:33:48.199
the beginning, Like I would have loved to find out

1746
01:33:48.199 --> 01:33:49.760
a little bit more about her life. I think it

1747
01:33:49.840 --> 01:33:51.960
was the right amount, honestly, I do. I'm just saying

1748
01:33:52.000 --> 01:33:53.439
why because I could have used a little bit of

1749
01:33:53.560 --> 01:33:55.640
less Catman. But it was fine, Like, I don't I

1750
01:33:55.640 --> 01:33:58.359
didn't need it, you know what. It was important all

1751
01:33:58.479 --> 01:34:02.399
this rewritten from the point of view of Catalian. She's like,

1752
01:34:02.479 --> 01:34:08.560
that's another request, but she is flying off the teacher. Yeah,

1753
01:34:08.720 --> 01:34:13.279
you're hurting me. No, but I think it was I

1754
01:34:13.359 --> 01:34:16.000
think it could have been less Carmen, more everyone else, honestly,

1755
01:34:16.039 --> 01:34:20.039
but it wasn't bad. It wasn't Yeah, more Luna, I

1756
01:34:20.079 --> 01:34:22.800
don't think so. No, I don't think so, you know,

1757
01:34:22.960 --> 01:34:26.880
I don't think so. Okay. So also because it kept

1758
01:34:26.960 --> 01:34:29.199
you wondering, like what the fuck is Luna doing? Yeah,

1759
01:34:29.840 --> 01:34:33.000
it's just like the characters is yeah yeah, and I

1760
01:34:33.199 --> 01:34:37.079
and that was perfect to be made creepier. Yeah, what

1761
01:34:37.199 --> 01:34:40.560
did you think of Carmen? Did she make any decisions?

1762
01:34:40.600 --> 01:34:42.840
That you wouldn't agree with. Would you have done something different?

1763
01:34:43.039 --> 01:34:45.439
I feel like we only think we were doubling different

1764
01:34:45.479 --> 01:34:49.600
because we we know what's happening, and she didn't. Yeah,

1765
01:34:49.880 --> 01:34:52.840
but also I did not Yeah go ahead, no you finished,

1766
01:34:52.960 --> 01:34:57.960
No you finished? Okay. I think also we would have

1767
01:34:58.039 --> 01:35:01.279
done something differently culturally because if it we already know

1768
01:35:01.800 --> 01:35:03.960
what we've already been told. I was going to say

1769
01:35:04.000 --> 01:35:06.319
the same thing, so yeah, I thought so, yeah, I

1770
01:35:06.359 --> 01:35:08.960
thought you were going to so I think the moment personally,

1771
01:35:09.039 --> 01:35:13.039
the moment Jorci said spiritually, spiritually not maybe not the

1772
01:35:13.079 --> 01:35:14.720
first time. Maybe the first time, I still would have

1773
01:35:14.760 --> 01:35:16.760
been a little like I don't know, you you know,

1774
01:35:17.079 --> 01:35:19.760
but in the house when her and Whattney came to

1775
01:35:19.920 --> 01:35:23.159
the house and all those things had already happened, the bracelet,

1776
01:35:23.239 --> 01:35:27.760
the Braley toldly twice. Yeah, yeah, at that point, I

1777
01:35:27.800 --> 01:35:30.039
would have been like, what do I need to do? Yeah,

1778
01:35:30.600 --> 01:35:33.399
that would have been the sign like again, yeah, you

1779
01:35:33.479 --> 01:35:35.520
already said it. But like if my if I was

1780
01:35:35.600 --> 01:35:38.079
going into some old ass building and my Dan told

1781
01:35:38.119 --> 01:35:40.520
me you need to spin around three times jump and

1782
01:35:40.600 --> 01:35:45.439
then yeah, I'm gonna do it, So yeah, I would

1783
01:35:45.479 --> 01:35:48.479
have I would have done that differently, I do think so, yeah,

1784
01:35:48.640 --> 01:35:51.000
I do understand why she was so hesitant and when

1785
01:35:51.000 --> 01:35:53.119
she was ignoring everything, because at the same time, I

1786
01:35:53.159 --> 01:35:57.079
would scary, denial is easier. That's why it's a form

1787
01:35:57.199 --> 01:36:01.520
of uh, it's a defense mechanism for a reason, exactly exactly.

1788
01:36:01.640 --> 01:36:03.079
So I get it. I get it. But she did

1789
01:36:03.199 --> 01:36:06.159
get on my nerves. Yeah, she actually didn't super get

1790
01:36:06.199 --> 01:36:09.239
on my nerves. I was just like, no, which is

1791
01:36:09.279 --> 01:36:13.319
that the right? Yeah? Yeah, okay. So who was a

1792
01:36:13.439 --> 01:36:16.119
villain in Pineta? How did the author portray them? Did

1793
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you understand their motives and did they have redeeming qualities

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or human emotions? I understood the villains to be the

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Spaniards in my eyes, Kittally and her mom or Kitzani's mom,

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the mimeh. They were just doing what they felt like

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they needed to do. Yeah, and I was there for it.

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I was, of course, not in support of Luna and

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her family being hurt. I was in support of the

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three bullies being hurt. I personally wouldn't have killed father

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ven On, but I understood it. Yeah, I understood why

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01:36:54.800 --> 01:36:59.159
it happened. Yeah, and yeah, no, I the Spaniards are

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the real villains. Yeah, I completely agree. And then maybe

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not father vid On now, but the because of his job,

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he had to like yeah, he had to go down.

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I get it, I get it. I get it. Every

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time we say that it makes you to give the one.

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It's a hudge, its pandemic. Like, I get it. I

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respect it. That's nobody, get it. I respect it. The Yeah,

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like I understand her side too. Yeah, and to me,

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she was not the villain. No, No, the pain caused

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by the colonizers, that's though, they're the villains. Yeah, that

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Friar in the beginning, who did that to the ool?

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I was so glad when he fucking died. Same and

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then the ones that cut up to get Sally and

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01:37:43.039 --> 01:37:47.520
then yeah, that too horrible. So they're the villains. Okay,

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next question, I'm glad we're on the same patre. Yeah,

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of course. How did the author explore themes like justice, morality, revenge, royalty, survival.

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He hit on every single one of those. Yeah, I

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feel like ultimate only the answer is like empathy, Yeah,

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is the real power, and the real revenge is to

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continue living. Yeah, that was beautifully said. I don't need

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01:38:14.319 --> 01:38:18.159
to say more. Cool. Yeah, we're not just trying to

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rush through answers with the plot, I swear with the

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01:38:22.319 --> 01:38:28.720
recap sweat. Were you satisfied with the book's outcome or

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did you have any questions or doubts left un answered?

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01:38:32.960 --> 01:38:34.840
For me, there were no plot holes. I feel like

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I don't know about I would have again, I just

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01:38:38.600 --> 01:38:40.319
I just wanted more your c I wanted to know

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where she went. But I understand its own book. I know.

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01:38:44.520 --> 01:38:46.079
I was gonna say, like, I would have loved to

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01:38:46.199 --> 01:38:49.880
know what your se uh is up to. I would

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01:38:49.920 --> 01:38:51.880
have wanted to see her talk with the family a

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little bit, with Gottman in them. Yeah, but I understand

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01:38:55.159 --> 01:38:58.479
that she's a busy woman. Yeah. She The answert is like,

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01:38:58.520 --> 01:39:00.720
all right, you need to go over their next to go.

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01:39:01.039 --> 01:39:05.520
I'm ready to find out what has been up to. Yeah,

1838
01:39:05.600 --> 01:39:08.439
And like, did Yorte maybe need some rest? No, the

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01:39:08.680 --> 01:39:11.640
ancestors are helping her. She doesn't need help. She doesn't

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01:39:11.680 --> 01:39:14.039
need to physically stop. She rest is the guidance of

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01:39:14.079 --> 01:39:18.199
her ancest Yeah. So to me, that's fine when when

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01:39:18.760 --> 01:39:21.039
her feels like it, you know, like right now, she

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01:39:21.079 --> 01:39:24.840
doesn't need it. She could have kept going because she's powerful. Yeah, yeah,

1844
01:39:24.920 --> 01:39:27.600
exactly because that was another thing that podcast was like, Ye,

1845
01:39:27.800 --> 01:39:31.600
doesn't she needs a rest after all, dcause she's super hiven. No,

1846
01:39:32.079 --> 01:39:36.279
she has the help of the ancestor. She's fine. Yeah,

1847
01:39:36.960 --> 01:39:42.840
they're literally carrying her. Yes, their strength is carrying her

1848
01:39:43.039 --> 01:39:46.640
to go on, like she probably commoted from Texas to

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01:39:46.760 --> 01:39:50.760
New York. I believe it, like what. I believe it too,

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01:39:51.039 --> 01:39:53.359
And I'm here for you to me too. I'm not

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01:39:53.479 --> 01:39:58.760
questioning anything. No, no, no, I'm not. I'm not. I

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01:39:58.840 --> 01:40:01.600
feel like I got everything I need it from this book. No,

1853
01:40:01.760 --> 01:40:05.319
I agree, I agree. No, and I again I understand

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01:40:05.560 --> 01:40:13.439
your tea will get her own book. Please out give

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01:40:13.560 --> 01:40:18.720
us a Yorky sequel. Yeah, okay, yes, all right. Last question,

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what did you rate this book? Five upstating butterflies? That

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01:40:22.880 --> 01:40:27.199
are five obstating butterflies, yes, okay for me, five miss

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01:40:27.399 --> 01:40:36.079
and five mess five fives offers, yes, yeah, five bloody

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01:40:36.239 --> 01:40:42.359
piatas full of entrails out of five bloody pinatas full entrails. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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01:40:43.000 --> 01:40:47.479
I had a great time reading this. Yeah. I don't understand.

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01:40:47.600 --> 01:40:52.520
If you didn't like this book, get the out there's this,

1862
01:40:53.119 --> 01:40:57.000
come get them. I will call her up right now. No,

1863
01:40:57.119 --> 01:40:58.760
but yeah, it was good. It was so good. It

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01:40:58.840 --> 01:41:00.720
was so good. I had a great time reading this.

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01:41:00.880 --> 01:41:02.640
Like I already said, we already said so much about it,

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01:41:02.720 --> 01:41:04.439
Like I don't think we need to really odd anything else.

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01:41:04.680 --> 01:41:07.760
I don't think so. No, No, But do you have

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01:41:07.880 --> 01:41:11.840
any other final thoughts? No, I think that we have

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01:41:12.039 --> 01:41:15.680
touched on everything that we need to touch on or

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01:41:15.760 --> 01:41:20.479
needed to touch on. A beautiful combination of the horrors

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01:41:20.560 --> 01:41:24.079
of the past, the horrors of colonization weaved into the present,

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01:41:24.479 --> 01:41:30.119
and how these horrors affect generation after generation and things.

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01:41:30.439 --> 01:41:36.239
You know. Yeah, really, that's a beautiful book. One of

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01:41:36.279 --> 01:41:38.119
my favorite book club reads so far. And I say

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01:41:38.159 --> 01:41:40.760
that every time. I really do think I think. I

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01:41:40.840 --> 01:41:43.439
think Pianta has been my favorite. I agree, though, and

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01:41:43.520 --> 01:41:46.920
I love them all. Yeah, and Pianta is up there.

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01:41:47.079 --> 01:41:50.159
It is up there. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Well, okay, we

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01:41:50.279 --> 01:41:53.800
made it before two hours later, Oh my god, I know,

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01:41:53.880 --> 01:41:57.439
a whole two hours let's announce our next book club

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01:41:57.479 --> 01:41:59.640
Oh I forgot what it was already, So yes, what

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01:41:59.760 --> 01:42:02.079
is it? Okay? What about? Have you heard of The

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01:42:02.119 --> 01:42:06.319
Witches of El Paso? No, I haven't. It's by Louis Kamio.

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01:42:06.920 --> 01:42:08.840
Better than know what it's about. I saw it from

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01:42:09.399 --> 01:42:12.880
Coffee and Quentos. Oh, so shout out Coffee and Guentos. Yes,

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01:42:13.079 --> 01:42:15.359
I get all my book rex from her, but we haven't.

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01:42:15.359 --> 01:42:18.359
I feel like we haven't read something WITCHI. No we haven't. Well,

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01:42:18.399 --> 01:42:22.920
I'll here the Witches separately, but not from so you

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01:42:23.000 --> 01:42:26.720
found theo synopsis. Yeah, so if you call the if

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01:42:26.720 --> 01:42:28.479
you call it to the Witches, they will come. Nineteen

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01:42:28.520 --> 01:42:31.680
forty three and Paso. Yes, teenager Nana already, let's do it,

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01:42:31.800 --> 01:42:35.359
fuck it, so live all right, I'm down, Okay. Our

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01:42:35.479 --> 01:42:38.399
next book club read is The Witches of El Paso

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01:42:38.479 --> 01:42:41.640
by Louis Camio, and I'm excited me too. Yeah I

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01:42:41.680 --> 01:42:45.279
haven't read something WITCHI. Yeah, we really haven't. So actually, yeah,

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01:42:45.319 --> 01:42:48.119
this is awesome. All right. By the time this comes out,

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01:42:48.199 --> 01:42:51.199
I will have added that to If you're on StoryGraph,

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01:42:51.640 --> 01:42:54.359
the book club books are all in one challenge. You

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01:42:54.439 --> 01:42:57.319
can see them, you can participate that way, so that

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will be added on. It'll also be on our bookshop

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01:43:00.079 --> 01:43:01.760
if you want to buy the book through bookshop, and

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we get like some coins from that, and I will

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01:43:07.279 --> 01:43:09.319
also this will be up you know obviously on Friday.

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01:43:09.399 --> 01:43:11.119
So that is our next book. I'll send out the

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newsletter at some point. I'm very behind on things, so yeah,

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all right, well this was so fun, Carmen and I

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needed this. Thank you to me too, all right, everyone else,

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don't follow the little girls you don't know into sheds. Yeah.

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So if you see old ladies with things protruding out

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of their chests, that's a good strong it's been strong. Yeah.

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