Nov. 15, 2024

Mexican Pilot Encounters UFO and the Case of Felicitas Sanchez Aguillon

Mexican Pilot Encounters UFO and the Case of Felicitas Sanchez Aguillon

Carlos de los Santos was flying his normal rout when 3 UFOs interrupted him. Carmen shares this UFO case while Cristina talks about a woman known today as one of the most sadistic killers in Mexico, BUT is she really?

First they read a listener story...

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Carlos de los Santos was flying his normal rout when 3 UFOs interrupted him. Carmen shares this UFO case while Cristina talks about a woman known today as one of the most sadistic killers in Mexico, BUT is she really?

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Hi, this is Christina and Carmen and this is another

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episode of as Spooky Tones, the podcast for all Things

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as Spooky, True Crime scary. Ooh yeah, that was supposed

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to be like a scary OOO, but I think it

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was more like a ooh like an interest Yeah yeah,

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wrong type of ooh, can't help how you are? Yeah,

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that's very true. Today we have a did you finish

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the notes or did you do it? Okay? Okay, Well,

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we have a UFO story, which it has been a while,

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it has those are some of my favorite. And I

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have a true crime case there was not It's a

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very old one so it's not a lot of information

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on it, but it's very it makes you think. It

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makes you think. So before we get to all that,

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we do have a listener's story, and if you have

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a story that you want to send us to read

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on an episode, you can email a Spooky Tosa gmail

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dot com. You can dm us on any of our socials.

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You can submit it on scored like this listener did.

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You can also call the Spooky hotline the nighbors in

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the show notes. There's a lot of ways to get

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it to us, and whatever way you choose, we will

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find it, we will read it, and we love receiving them.

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So yeah, okay. So this is from Running on Coffee

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on our discord, which is just one of the ways

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you can submit your scary story to us. So it goes.

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I want to share more of it. She's met not

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so spooky. But yesterday I was at my mom's house

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visiting to celebrate my younger brother's birthday. My mom and

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I were talking about and if she ever found out

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who were her niece's parents, and then in parentheses one

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of her parents. Wait, I'm confused. I don't know they're

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gonna explain more, so let's just okay, keep reading, okay.

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But the way I saw it, I was like, okay,

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is she's saying that if one of her mom's parents

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are also her niece's parents and the nieces her mom's niece. Yes, okay, okay,

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That's where I was confused. I was like, is it

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running on Coffee's niece or the mom's niece mom's niece,

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and so implying this is a trials out of wedlock? Yeah,

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who's actually a sister not a niece? Yeah, okay, okay,

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I think that's where that's going. But Okay, it goes on. Okay,

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So backtracking, my sister did a twenty three and me

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test and through that she found out we had a

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cousin from my mom's side that was adopted. She reached

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out to my sister through Facebook. We found this out

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last Christmas. So going back to yesterday, I had asked

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if she ever found out who had a daughter and

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had given her up for adoption. She currently lives in

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Gala Laja shout out. I was waiting for you to

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say that, and she wanted to know who her parents

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and family were. Needless to say, we still don't know.

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And supposedly my uncle, the only boy in the family,

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was told he couldn't have kids. I don't know what

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this reason is or what this was told to my

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grandma about my uncle. My grandma passed away years ago

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and my mom had her picture up for the old

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friend that she had for her. So we were in

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the middle of this conversation and her picture fell over.

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There was no open door or window, no one was nearby,

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and I just turned and said, ablita maliti madaq, save

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the is mi prima. Wow. My mom was like, gah, oh,

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I guess it's just translate that. So after the picture fell,

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running on coffee turned around to the picture and said, Grandma,

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I know you're here. We're not talking bad about anybody.

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We're just wondering who my cousin's parents are, And then

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running in a coffee's mom was like, yeah, I told

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her my grandma's picture fell over. She's here listening, and

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she probably knows who her parents are, the prima or niece. Yeah,

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I can tell. My mom kind of got sad. I

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know she misses her mom a lot. I love my

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Ablita and miss her too. Just thought I would share

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a bit of a wholesome story, and I believe they

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know they're still loved and missed. Cute. Oh that is cute.

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Thank you so much for setting that in. Oh yeah, also,

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I'm dead inside. No, I'm sick again. So yeah, okay,

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So now onto the UFO story. On May third, nineteen

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seventy five, twenty three year old Mexican pilot Carlos Los

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Santos was en route from Siguajo get it of to

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Mexico City in a plane called or the type of

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plane is was a piper Pa twenty four. Exactly now

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that you said that, I know exactly what plane that is? Okay, yeah,

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it's a small plane, though I did see I didn't know. Yeah,

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he was flying this plane when he was confronted with

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UFOs at the time. Carlos had three hundred and seventy

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flight hours and he worked for a aerial company. That's

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what pilot airplane companies are called, right, Like, he worked

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for a company flying planes. Maybe aviation that sounds better.

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I typed aerial question mark, and then I was going

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to look it up, and then I forgot so of course, yeah,

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aviation company called Pelletier. So Carlos's father was an air technician,

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so possible Nepo baby. Anyway, the tobacco route he had

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to take was covered with clouds and bad weather, so

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said this Villo, and he flew ten thousand feet in

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altitude and took another route called G three, but there

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was still too much cloud coverage and bad weather, so

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he flew even higher to fifteen thousand feet and he

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flew over the city of dekas Kiteango at twelve thirty.

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That's how you said it the first time? Is the

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same one, desk tengo. It's a different city. Oh it's

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a different city. Yeah, yeah, he flew out of and

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on his journey he was as he was flying over

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dek Skidego, that's where we're he was flying there over there, Okay.

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Over that time was a little lost. Yeah, my brain

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is working less than normal. Right now, I'm sick again.

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So yeah. So at twelve thirty PM he was flying

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over the city and this was about an hour later

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than normal because of the bad weather. Soon Carlos saw

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an unidentified object about twenty centimeters from his plane, which

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is very close, a little too close, a little too

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close for a comfort, you could say. Yeah, he had

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a sense of bewilderment and strangers. He's like, what the fuck?

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And then a second unidentified object appeared about twenty centimeters

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away from the other side of his plane. Twenty now away. Yeah,

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so now they're right twenty So now they're both too close. Yeah,

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so on both sides of his plane they're too close. Okay,

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And so now he's even more like what the fuck?

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And if that wasn't enough, a third unidentified object came

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flying at him and a possible speed, and the one

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ended up twenty centimeters in front of him. Well not exactly, okay,

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so the fuck up? No, kidding, sorry, So it flew

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towards him at an impossible speed. He was scared that

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it was going to hit him, and then it was

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like his plane was here, right, and then it was

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like right, coming fast and then he thought it was

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it stopped. Sorry, it stopped abruptly, like in front of him,

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and then it flew under Okay, so that's where I

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stayed under him. Twenty seminaries under him, Okay, yes, yeah,

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I actually I don't know the exact measurements, but it

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was under him. Oh if if the rest were yeah, yeah.

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So actually he felt an impact and he got so

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scared that he started shaking and crying, falling to the

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knees on Walmart, throwing up, screaming, yes, all of that.

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So then he called for help and he was was

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done throwing up. Yeah. Yeah, he was still crying, and

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so he's like, acent Mexico, Mexico, it's just extra on

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May Day, May day, May Day. But he received no response.

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So he tried again, and he finally received the response

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asking what their merging as he was, So he repliedos

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visualez no identificados, am so moving out of your son

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said okay, So he said I'm flying with three unidentified

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objects aroundomy, I'm crying, I'm nervous, I don't know what

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to do, and unfortunate Carlos didn't get a response from

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Central La Mexico. Are you serious? The just fucking ignore him? Yeah,

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actually working, Okay, he didn't know that, of course. Yeah,

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he thought that maybe they thought he was lying, and

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that's when they were just ignoring him, like they He

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thought like maybe they did. This is a joke. Yeah,

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So then Carlos decided to land, thinking that he could

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lose the unidentified objects that way, but he was unable

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to land, and the article explained like technically but I

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don't know, I don't know what said, something about the

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stuff wasn't working, like to land, you know, oh like

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his landing. Yeah, the the yeah, the little feet that

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the planes feed that come out of the plane that

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wasn't working. Wheels, yeah, yeah, it wasn't It wasn't working.

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So so he thinks that the plane because he fell

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an impact, remember, so he thinks the unidentified object was

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like man no mano with this plane like right underneath

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closer than twenty centimeters. Yeah, yeah, like touching it which

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is already very close, like blocking it. Yeah, oh no.

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Then he tried to make a turn to lose the UFOs,

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but he found that he had no control over the plane.

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So this made him think that these unidentified objects were

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controlling the plane, and he tried calling for help again,

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but his radio wasn't working. Then his plane started flying

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higher and higher, increasing fifteen to twenty feet per second,

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which is obviously not possible. So he's he's trying to land,

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but he's going up. Yeah, so he's trying to not work.

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Then he's trying to turn, you know, to loose to

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shake these UFOs not working, and he's living up out

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of his own will. He's going up fifteen to twenty

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feet per second. Wow, And so he's all worried right

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at this point because his plane is not built for

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that altitude. So he was followed, or more like escorted

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because thefo UFOs were controlling his plane. So he was

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escorted onward for eighteen minutes too long, yeah, yeah, a

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little too long, much too long for anyone's liking. And

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then as he was flying over the Sierra de la Jusco,

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suddenly the unidentified objects veered a different way towards some

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volcanoes and they didn't come back, so they were like

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done with him. Oh, and he was so shaken up,

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but he had control over his plane and shortly after

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the UFOs left him, the two radars at the International

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Benito Juana Airport captured three unidentified objects taken off from

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his plane and maneuvering in impossible ways, so they detected

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this the radars. So carlos experience hit the news and

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he was invited to go on TV to talk about

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his experience with the omnis. And while he was on

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his way, two limousine looking cars surrounded Carlos, like one

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in front of him and one behind him away. No, no,

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I don't know, right in front of him, like forcing

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him to come to a stop. Could have been twenty centimeters.

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I don't know. So they forced him to stop, and

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then four broad shouldered Scandininian looking men in black suits

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got out of the two cars. These fuckers are always

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gotting name in looking right, Yeah, what is up with that?

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I don't know. And so one of them approached his

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car and told them in fast robotic Spanish, I can't

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talk in fast robotic Spanish, though, so you know I'll

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turn my best anyway, he said, meet him with chacco. Nah,

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that's that I was trying to talk to. That's it

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was sounding like like the Cuban dad from the Georgiova show. Okay,

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he said in again fast robotic Spanish, that it can't

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replicated muchacho. Yes to be that Familia del or young man.

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If you value your life and your family's lives, then

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you'll stop talking about what you saw. Damn are these

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are these aliens or men in black? Well, Christina, there

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were four men in black, so yeah, but tell me

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get to name in parts making me think aliens because

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they're always described that true. Remember, yeah, I remember that

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Silencio episode or literally any episode we talked about aliens

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in icic Mexico. Anyone who sees them, they're always blonde, pale, blue, white,

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So yeah, who knows. So the men got in their

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cars in jove Away and Carlos was booked enough to

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turn around it and go back home. He didn't his

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radio show or TV show whatever he was gonna do. Yeah,

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he was going to go on TV, but two days

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later he did end up sharing his story with the

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hosts of the show that he was going to go

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on but not like life. He just told him about it, okay,

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and he was also a UFO enthusiast. So Bethro told

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Carlos about the men in black, and he's like, I've

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heard of these men in black, and people who have

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experiences with the all means they're often visited by these

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men in black and threatened by them, but I've never

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heard of anyone actually being harmed by them. So then

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Bethro convinced Carlos to tell a story on TV. Oh

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so he did, okay, and nothing happened, but then that's good.

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Oh but yeah. A months later, when Carlos was on

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his way to meet with doctor j Allen Heinek, a ufologist.

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I don't know there's another way to say it, but

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Spanish it said. Actually I forgot what it said because

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I wrote UFFO lokista. Anyway, aleen nerd and astronomer. He

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met with him to talk about the UFO experience, and

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so he did. They chatted and then the next day

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they agreed to have breakfast. So then the next day

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Carlos went back to the hotel to have breakfast with

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doctor Heinik, and as he was on his way up

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on the escalator, he was stopped by a man in

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black and they once again threatened him to stop talking

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about his UFO experience, and this time they actually pushed him,

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like they shoved him a little bit. No, not about

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so they shoved him and they're like, we know you

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left your house at six am, and we know where

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you work, and they said the place that he works,

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but I didn't write it down, and Carlos was scared.

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He was scared, and he left without meeting with doctor Heinek.

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He's like, last time we just we had words. This

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time we're pushing you. Next time we're going to punch

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you after that, and we're going to punch you. And

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then the next month, who knows what we'll do. No,

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but I would be scared. But now it's just funny

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that just this time they pushed him. It's escalating slowly

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while he was on the escalator dumb. So Carlos went

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on to continue his career as a pilot, and he

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was glad that the radar had caught the UFO's motion

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because if not, his reputation would have been you had

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have been done for it, right, But the radar corroborated

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what he experienced, and the article even had pictures of

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him as an older man with grown adult kids. So

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he went on to have a good life and I

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don't think he was ever visited by the men in

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black again. He stopped talking about it exactly. Yeah, yeah, wow.

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Well good for him that they didn't escalate after pushing

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him right. Well, on that note, we'll take a little

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us and we're back. Okay, Like I said before the break,

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I'm sorry if I saw it were congested. This is

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actually I'm going to get a bit older. Oh my god, wow,

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oh disgusting cars. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Okay, you're wreaking.

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It works. Not going to bother me at all that

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you sound like this. You're lie to be all right.

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So the case I'm talking about today, there's not a

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lot of information on it because it's so old. It's

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from like the nineteen forty nineteen forty seventy fifties in Mexico.

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But we'll just jump right into it. On April eighth,

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nineteen forty one, Francisco Pia is owner of a grocery

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store in Nagaya, se La Manca in the Roman neighborhood

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of Suda, Mexico. Got to his shop like he normally did.

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He was, I don't know, opening the sink or something

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turning on the sink and it was all clogged up,

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and so he called the plumber, and the plumber ended

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up having to open up a hole, you know, to

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get to the plumbing, the tubes and those technical terms

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that we don't know, technical terms. Yes, so he had

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to open up, you know, a hole. And then when

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he finally like opened up the plumbing, I don't know, tubes, pipes, pipes, pipes,

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thank you, and to stop calling everything tube tube yes, okay.

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So when they finally opened up the pipe, they were

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both shocked and surprise, scared, lots of emotions because inside

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the pipes there was human flesh. That's what was causing

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the backup. That's why it was getting clocked up. And

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the plumber, you know, he was clearing the this clogging.

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He's like pulling and pulling and you know, just more

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flesh and then the skull of a baby. Trigger warning,

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this case involves babies. I'm so sorry I should have

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said that. Oh my god, yeah, you shut up, My bad,

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my bad. Yes, trigger warning, And this does involve babies.

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And so yeah, he you know, they're pulling out flash

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and then suddenly a skill of a baby and everyone's like,

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oh my god, what is happening. This uncovered one of

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the most shocking cases up to that date in Mexico.

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Behind all of it, one woman. Her name was Felicitas

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Sanchez Aguillon, who became known as the Ogre of Roma

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Wow among other names. But that's the most well known name,

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though there's more. Yeah so. Felicitas Sanchez Aguilone was born

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eighteen ninety in eighteen ninety in the pueblo of Cerro

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Azul in Veracruz, Mexico. She had a very rough life

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from the beginning. Her mom was abusive and she made

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it clear that that Felicitas was not a wanted child

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because she literally told her that, oh my god, fucked up.

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She often told her that she didn't love her and

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beat her regularly. Since her childhood. Felicitas did things like

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poison the street, dogs and cats, very disturbed things. Trifecta yeah, right, no,

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and she grew into someone with a terrible but strong personality. Okay.

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During the nineteen hundreds, she studied nursing graduated. She met

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Carlos Donde, who would become her husband. He is a

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man described as weak with no backbone. Not what she

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needed in her life, but probably she wanted right, right,

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She got pregnant and had twins, but she didn't want them.

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She convinced her husband to give them up for adoption. Okay,

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and he agreed, the right thing to do, right when

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you don't want to Yeah, yeah, of course, obviously right

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because you know they get to live. So he agreed.

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But then a few days later he changed his mind. Oh,

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oh god, okay, I thought I was coming already. Okay, wow, No, no,

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they were given up her adoption, and then he wetted

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them back. He changed his mind. But then she went

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to tell them where they were. Who will ad dive

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to them? Nothing, but presumably they're alive and they've lived

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full lives like they die, didn't kill them, And so

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because she wouldn't give up where they were, they divorced.

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This caused a little roof in the marriage. Wow, understandably,

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so they didn't make it as a couple, not surprising

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point for the best. Yeah. So they divorced in nineteen ten,

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and later that year Felicitas moved to Sudad, Mexico, and

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once she was all settled in Suda, Mexico and began

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working as a nurse. Somehow she got involved in draficking

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children somehow, somehow, Yeah, I'm not I'm not quite sure

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how that happened. I couldn't find that information as a nurse.

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Probably right, I'm assuming she met the mothers that came

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to her gone as a nurse, and so then she

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would find couples who were looking to adopt, and then

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she would sell them these infants. This was going so

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well for her that she was able to afford a

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better apartment in the Roman neighborhood of Sad, Mexico. So

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she moved into Apartamento or not sorry and kayes La

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Manca on the third floor. And she shared this apartment

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with another woman, but that other woman was only there

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to sleep, so she really cared what fety Sitas was

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up to when she was doing she was She was

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just there asleep, that's it. She was gone all day.

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So in this apartment, Fittysita started a business to help

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women give birth and or stop pregnancy. Okay, yeah, she

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practiced abortions and more and more women, usually rich women

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with you know, a lot of money, were her clients

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and more and more began to seek for her help

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seek her help, neighbors started getting suspicious Felicitas was actually

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arrested at least twice for practicing illegal adoptions in out

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of this building, out of her apartment abortions or adoptions adoptions.

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Oh okay, I guess maybe they couldn't like pin the

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abortions on her, they were illegal, but this was for

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the adoptions, okay, because she was still doing that too,

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and she never stayed in prison. She always met her

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bail because her business was booming. I mean, she was

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a baller. Yeah. So this is where it gets very

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dark and twisted, because they say that when she could

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not sell the newborns that the moms didn't want, then

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she would murder the babies no like spice dabbing them

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and then flushing them down the pipes, which is why

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they would get all clogged up, or dismembering them before

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flushing them down, but also poison But I'm like, why

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would you You don't need to poison a newborn, I mean,

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you don't need to kill them at all, But no,

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you don't. You don't need to kill them, like wow, Yeah,

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it was kind of horrible, kind of like a lot. Yeah.

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So they said that when she didn't do those other things,

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she poisoned them or strangle them to death. And she

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was able to do this because she counted on the

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discretion of one plumber. Plumber not plumber, my dad, we

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don't say the bee. I know, I know how to

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speak English. I know she kind of on the discretion

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of one plumber who helps her clear the pipes. Was

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say two being again. Oh my god, no, I like

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heard it forming in your mouth. Yeah, before anything could

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be uncovered. So like neighbors would notice like, oh my god,

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everything's backed up again, but then he would come in

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and clear it, so no one else would come in

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and find out what was happening. Yeah, except that day,

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April eighth, when the guy called a different plumber and

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then you know, it was all uncovered. So on that

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day police had already talked to neighbors and everyone's like, well,

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she's we know she's doing something up there. So they

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went up to her apartment building, you know, knocked the

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roommate let them in, and so they started looking around

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her room. Shocked them because like apparently her dresser, on

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her dresser, there were black candles everywhere, baby clothes, needles,

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a skull just sitting on her dresser. What the fuck?

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Like why what? And then a ton of baby pictures

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so she would like take pictures of them so she

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like kills them or like alive, like were these like mementoes?

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Like what is this? I don't know, it was like

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never explained further than this. Yeah, so yeah, I don't know.

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It makes it ponder like why Yeah, but Felicitas wasn't

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there at the apartment at the time of them searching,

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so the neighbors told her. She has another clinic where

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she does things like this too. It's called it's actually

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not a bar, although liked good name for her, I

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think Okay, when she had it, it wasn't named this. No, no,

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that's what they called it. I don't think she called

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it that, but everyone knew it as when it was

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her clinic. Yeah, and the bar has a different name now, yes,

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but the building is still there, oh okay, okay, Yeah,

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but she wasn't there either, so now there was a

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manhunt for her, and three days later she was found

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and arrested, along with the plumber that was helping her

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get away with all this. Martinez not the name, yeah,

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and her husband a different husband, yeah, second husband, Alberto Betos.

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And when she was arrested, she told the investigators, yes,

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I helped any women who came to me, and when

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I was done with my abortion services, I flushed the

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remains down the bathroom. She truly believed that she was

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doing nothing wrong. She was just helping. And so that's

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these were not fetuses, these are babies, right. That's why

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I get confused, because you know, Mexico is very naming.

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Are they using these interchangeably? That's what I'm wondering if

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because okay, so we'll get into it. But she maintains

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00:26:31.359 --> 00:26:37.640
she was doing just abortions and then or delivering sorry,

444
00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:41.279
go ahead, and or delivering babies. And when the babies

445
00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:44.119
were still born and they didn't cry after an hour

446
00:26:44.440 --> 00:26:47.720
is when she flushed them down. Okay, but what about

447
00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:51.000
the poisoning. Is there actual evidence of that. No, there's

448
00:26:51.079 --> 00:26:53.599
no evidence of poisoning. So that's like just like a

449
00:26:53.960 --> 00:26:57.519
boomer that got out of hand. Yes, yeah, the poisoning.

450
00:26:57.839 --> 00:27:02.119
So she maintains she was helping women. Wow. Uh, and

451
00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:06.039
she this was just an abortion clinic, and part of me, well, okay,

452
00:27:06.200 --> 00:27:08.039
well let me get finished the case and then okay,

453
00:27:08.839 --> 00:27:13.440
talk about it because it's yeah, okay. So she truly

454
00:27:13.480 --> 00:27:16.240
believed she was doing good. But newspapers, neighbors, they all

455
00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:19.200
demonized her. In her cell, she cried all day. When

456
00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:21.400
she wasn't crying, she was screaming, let me out, let

457
00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:23.759
me out. I don't deserve to be here. Her lawyer

458
00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:26.119
told her she needed to give up her clients for

459
00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:29.400
a lighter sentence, and she did. She did it. Among

460
00:27:29.480 --> 00:27:32.880
her clients were the daughters of Sudan equals elite, the

461
00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:37.480
daughters and wivess elite. I'm not shock because that's common, right,

462
00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:40.400
because like the only people can afford this are rich people.

463
00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:43.200
But like, wow, wow, wow, So the wives and daughters

464
00:27:43.240 --> 00:27:48.000
of politicians, yeah, the most rich businessman. Yeah, you don't

465
00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:51.640
know mass Yeah. And so then she was released three

466
00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:55.720
months later. The little evidence other than what people said

467
00:27:56.319 --> 00:27:59.400
that was actually brought against her when missing this was

468
00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:03.759
like a like fetus body part and like a skull

469
00:28:04.839 --> 00:28:07.160
in the two being two being sorry, pipe and the

470
00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:12.240
pipes and the plumbing that they got out. That's what

471
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:15.519
it was used against her. So like the pictures are

472
00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:17.400
like she could have just had those like the pictures

473
00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:19.079
and candles and all the weird things that were on

474
00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:23.799
her dresser, Like that wasn't evidence, that's just decoration, yeah apparently, Yeah,

475
00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:27.559
so that went missing, and so they couldn't use that

476
00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:31.880
against her. She ended up being charged with just practicing

477
00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:37.000
illegal abortions and then like violating medical responsibility, which at

478
00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:41.680
the time weren't serious charges. So she paid her six

479
00:28:41.799 --> 00:28:46.599
hundred bessel bail and she was released. The public was furious.

480
00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:53.680
The newspapers printed headlines that read, la DEESCORTI sa wow,

481
00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:58.839
the dismember I think so. I don't think that's an

482
00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:01.640
actual word, but like it's like saying, Jack the Ripper

483
00:29:01.839 --> 00:29:05.160
is going to be released. It will be released. They

484
00:29:05.240 --> 00:29:09.799
called her statistics serial killer, the strangler, baby killer, the

485
00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:13.160
killer of angels. Yeah, they called her all these names,

486
00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:16.480
all these horrible things. And although she was free, she

487
00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:19.519
knew that her life would never be the same. So

488
00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:23.400
on the sixteenth of July nineteen forty one, she was

489
00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:27.640
found dead from suicide in her apartment. She left three letters,

490
00:29:28.559 --> 00:29:31.359
went to her ex lawyer who was ripping her off, apparently,

491
00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:35.359
went to her current lawyer, and went to her second husband.

492
00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:38.400
In these letters, there was no remorse or apology for

493
00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:42.319
anything which shocked the public. But maybe she felt like

494
00:29:42.440 --> 00:29:46.799
she was doing Yeah, that's that's why I think so.

495
00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:50.359
The letters mentioned nothing other than to her second lawyer,

496
00:29:50.480 --> 00:29:53.599
she talked about Terno, saying what to do with the Terno?

497
00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:58.119
And then and her letter to her husband, she just said,

498
00:29:58.480 --> 00:30:02.599
goodbye Beto. Carlos who won? I can't do this anymore.

499
00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:06.279
Who's don Carlos Gordless was the name of her first husband.

500
00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:08.799
What what does that mean? But I don't know what

501
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:14.079
it means. Yeah, and she said, don't Carlos get no interesting? Yeah,

502
00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:18.440
and that's it. The case was closed. There was something

503
00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:21.480
to do. Wow. But she's to this day known as

504
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:24.519
like one of the most sadistic serial killers. Who's who

505
00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:28.559
killed over like fifty babies? But there's no evidence that. Again,

506
00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:32.920
she maintains this was an abortion clinic and she was

507
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:36.839
helping women and she didn't kill any baby, like any

508
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:39.839
babies that were alive, Like if the baby was alive

509
00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:41.640
and the mom didn't want it, then she would do

510
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:44.839
her adoption thing, which she had connections to. And then

511
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:48.319
but then what was being like written about in the

512
00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:51.240
public is that, oh, when she couldn't sell the baby,

513
00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:55.160
she would kill it, but she maintained that she was innocent.

514
00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:58.720
She just she would do the abortion after doing the abortion,

515
00:30:58.920 --> 00:31:03.279
and some of them were like your term abortions, like Hallie,

516
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:08.480
like very pregnant, but not the baby's because you don't

517
00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:13.440
want it, like seven months, yeah, which would explain the

518
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:18.079
bigger like yeah, pieces of like body pieces, right, So

519
00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:20.720
I mean, like all in all, like at the end

520
00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:22.759
of the day, she's remembered as this baby killer. She

521
00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:25.880
always maintained though, that this was an abortion clinic, which

522
00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:31.480
is what happens when abortion is criminalized. Yes, yeah, that's why.

523
00:31:31.559 --> 00:31:33.720
After I read all this, I listened to an episode

524
00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:36.359
where she's like talked about and referred to as as

525
00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:39.480
horrible person. But I'm reading it and I'm like, I

526
00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:42.279
feel like she was just running an abortion clinic. I

527
00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:46.640
mean it makes sense for a country that's so pro

528
00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:52.480
or anti choice. What do they call those people? Pro life?

529
00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:55.119
Pro life? Oh my god, I kind of remember, I'm like,

530
00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:57.839
what are there where the there's a term. I was like,

531
00:31:58.039 --> 00:32:02.279
I could only think of pro choice, but yeah, countries

532
00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:05.839
and people are so pro life, like regular abortion, they

533
00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:10.000
view it like this. So people that have those views

534
00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:13.319
I don't believe them to report accurately on a case

535
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:16.680
like this, right, and especially in those times and night

536
00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:20.400
was nineteen forty one in Mexico. Wow, Like this is

537
00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:24.279
so wild. After I read it all, I'm like, I honestly,

538
00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:26.440
I kind of believe her, Like I don't know how

539
00:32:26.599 --> 00:32:30.119
terrible this makes me sound, because there's no evidence of

540
00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:35.039
the poisoning. What about the stabbing? No, the only evidence

541
00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:40.319
that was found was the clock, like the body pieces

542
00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:43.559
that they pulled out of the store when the guy

543
00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:46.480
called came that day. And other than that, there's no

544
00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:51.359
other evidence of other body pieces or of like babies

545
00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:55.079
older than newborns. So I'm like, I don't know. And

546
00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:57.880
there's nothing of the claims that she was killing the

547
00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:02.160
babies that couldn't be adopted, Like there's nothing. Yeah, and

548
00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:08.119
she did run the adoption illegal adoption, you know, yeah, ring,

549
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:10.960
But it's like, why would she kill babies so she's

550
00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:14.200
trying to make money selling them. Did the women that

551
00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:18.119
were her clients ever come forward with anything? Yeah, their

552
00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:21.400
names were made public, but nothing else, like any statements

553
00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:25.319
something else came forward. But these are the like women

554
00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:29.240
would be seeking help, you know, yeah, not having I

555
00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:34.119
could see this being demonized and sensationalized. So I think

556
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:38.640
she was just a doctor performing or nurse whatever health worker,

557
00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:43.559
performing these abortions and helping facilitate adoptions for women who

558
00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:46.640
had no other options or choices and could afford this

559
00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:49.599
service from her. That's that's honestly what I think after

560
00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:53.400
reading all this. I don't know, call me a sympathizer

561
00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:57.359
of a baby killer. Oh no, that sounds wrong. But

562
00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:02.440
in this case, I I honestly believe this was an

563
00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:05.200
abortion clinic. And this is what happens when you criminalize it,

564
00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:07.680
because then women don't have to wait until the very

565
00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:10.440
end when it looks the fetus looks more like a baby,

566
00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:13.760
even though it's not a baby yet. Right, So there's

567
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:16.719
a reason that most of like most abortions are you

568
00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:21.360
know early. Yeah, yeah, let us know your thoughts. Yeah, like,

569
00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:24.239
let us know your thoughts, because again, there's no evidence

570
00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:29.760
of like anything else other than everything up said already loud. Okay,

571
00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:39.159
So so yeah, yeah, speculations. Yeah, let's take a quick

572
00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:41.360
break and then we'll come back with specula combinations and

573
00:34:41.519 --> 00:34:44.440
we're back, all right, Do you have yours already? Let

574
00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:48.199
me see I keep a track then or not? Okay,

575
00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:50.960
while you're searching for yours not your mind. I finally

576
00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:54.079
I got a MC plus which comes with Shutter already,

577
00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:56.280
which is where other scare movies are. I got it

578
00:34:56.360 --> 00:34:58.599
so I could watch the two of Darryl Dixon and

579
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:02.760
The Ones Who Lived, The Rick and Me shown spin

580
00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:06.280
off of The Walking Dead, but on there because it

581
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:11.880
has shudder. There's another movie. Uh, it's like an anthology series,

582
00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:15.199
so it has a bunch of stories within it. You know,

583
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:19.880
it's not one long story. Yeah, but it's called I

584
00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:23.639
said it wrong last time Satanic Hispanics. I think last

585
00:35:23.639 --> 00:35:25.960
time I said Hispanics at a time, And remember you

586
00:35:26.119 --> 00:35:28.960
mentioned it last time in our group chat with Lany

587
00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:32.320
and Aiden. I thought you meant last time like recording. No,

588
00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:34.960
last time I talked about it on time. Well then

589
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:37.719
yeah I did remember that. Okay, So yeah, I finally

590
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:41.360
watched Satanic Hispanics because yeah, it's on Shutter. So it

591
00:35:41.480 --> 00:35:44.880
has what is this guy's name? I want to say,

592
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:48.039
he's the vote for Pedro guy. Oh, it has Ef

593
00:35:48.199 --> 00:35:52.719
dramedis in it. He gets arrested, uh, and then he's

594
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:56.519
been interrogated and uh as the police are interrogating him.

595
00:35:56.559 --> 00:36:00.800
Did you watch Heroes? Yeah, okay, you remember the cop

596
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:03.639
guy who could what could he do? Tell the future

597
00:36:03.800 --> 00:36:07.679
read minds? Like very vaguely, Okay, well that guy he's

598
00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:11.280
one of the cops again in this Oh anyway, they're

599
00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:14.320
interrogating him and he's telling them like these cases that

600
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:17.199
they've never solved, but it's because they're like done by

601
00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:20.440
supernatural beings. And so that's how the movies play out.

602
00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:23.159
He starts telling the story and then you get into

603
00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:25.679
the different like movie and it's it has like all

604
00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:28.559
the things we hear about on its pretty tales and

605
00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:33.880
I already forgot not why there's a why wow one vampires?

606
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:37.320
That one was funny. Okay, it is like a horror

607
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:39.960
comedy too, it's not all serious. I like horror comedies

608
00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:42.719
are one of my favorite things to watch. Yeah, yeah,

609
00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:45.719
they're super fun. And then so yeah, it just goes

610
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:48.239
through like I think it's like four or five different ones.

611
00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:51.199
But yeah, it's it's a it's a lot of fun,

612
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:57.239
like I'm sure because just because of the stories we

613
00:36:57.400 --> 00:37:00.159
tell here and the stories that the movie covers, like

614
00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:02.639
our listeners would like it just based on that because

615
00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:04.719
I know a lot of people, I don't know, like

616
00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:07.440
to hate on things, like if you look at the ratings,

617
00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:11.039
they're not like great. But really, I don't know, a

618
00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:13.079
lot of the movies I like are always like lowly

619
00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:17.199
rated anyway. Yeah, but I mean it has different directors

620
00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:19.360
because you know, it has different movies within it or

621
00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:25.360
different stories. But gro she did, she said, a bunch

622
00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:28.039
of other movies BNGO. Hell's one I've talked about before,

623
00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:32.400
but she's one of the directors. But yeah, it's it's

624
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:35.199
just it's so good. Definitely recommend it, just yeah, based

625
00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:36.599
on the stories they tell and there some of them

626
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:38.599
are so funny, Like again, the vampire one was one

627
00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:40.960
of my favorites, but they're also good. They're also good cool.

628
00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:45.599
That's my spooky recommendation. Okay, I'm just sure one because

629
00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:48.639
it's starving and you took so long. Sorry. So I

630
00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:50.880
read a book called Love of My Afterlife and it's

631
00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:53.400
not really like scary, but it's like afterlife, you know,

632
00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:57.639
which we talk about sometimes. So it was super cute.

633
00:37:57.719 --> 00:38:01.159
Let me just read the synopsis. Okay, here's the description.

634
00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:05.760
A recently deceased woman meets the one in the afterlife

635
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:08.800
waiting room, scoring a second chance at life and love

636
00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:11.760
if she can find him on Earth before ten days

637
00:38:11.800 --> 00:38:15.000
are up. If she wasn't dead already, Delphie would be

638
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:17.719
dying of embarrassment. Not only does she just die by

639
00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:21.199
choking on a microwavable burger, but now she's standing in

640
00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:23.360
her shine like a star and nightie in front of

641
00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:25.880
the hottest man she's ever seen, and he's smiling at

642
00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:28.679
her as he starts to chat. Everything else becomes background noise.

643
00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:31.320
That is until someone comes running out of a door

644
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:34.280
yelling something about a huge mistake and sends a dreamy

645
00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:37.199
stranger back down to Earth. And here Delphie was thinking

646
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:40.039
her luck might be different in the afterlife. When Delphie

647
00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:41.800
is offered a deal in which she can return to

648
00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:44.760
Earth and reconnect with the mysterious man, she dumps up

649
00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:47.639
the opportunity to find her possible soulmate and a fresh start.

650
00:38:48.039 --> 00:38:50.159
But in a city of millions, Delphie is going to

651
00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:53.119
have to listen to her heart, learn to ask for help,

652
00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:56.280
and perhaps even to the magic in the life she's

653
00:38:56.360 --> 00:39:00.480
leaving behind. And it was as cute, Yeah, it was cute,

654
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:04.280
but also like profound at times, also funny at times.

655
00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:08.079
And also hot at times, because there is I don't know,

656
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:12.159
can we say sex already said we're fine. We were

657
00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:14.639
literally talking about the dismemberment. But you know, I don't know.

658
00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:16.360
I don't know how they are. But anyway, there is

659
00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:21.000
also that in the book. And it's also like one

660
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:24.639
of those like sound family type themes. Okay, I don't know.

661
00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:28.639
I love me too, so I don't know. I really

662
00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:31.840
enjoyed it five out of five. I mean, you'll find it.

663
00:39:33.199 --> 00:39:35.920
What's it called. It's called The Love of My Afterlife

664
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:40.679
by Kirsey Greenwood. Okay, okay, okay, let's get out of

665
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:43.920
here so I can eat. Yes, Okay. A quick reminder

666
00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:46.840
that the current book club book is now The Witches

667
00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:48.960
of a Basle by Louis had A mi yok's a

668
00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:53.039
little pricey. I didn't know. We didn't look up the

669
00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:55.880
price beforehand or anything, but yeah, it was kind of pricey.

670
00:39:55.960 --> 00:39:58.519
But mine is going to get the three libraries. Yeah

671
00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:01.559
if you can. If and if it's anything like my library,

672
00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:04.559
they won't have it. Yeah, but I got an email

673
00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:07.239
that mine was shipped. Good good, Yeah, use our bookshop

674
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:09.440
link if you're gonna buy it. If you're not, you know,

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getting through the library. So yeah, that's the curretin read.

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We'll see how long it takes us stopping at that

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book club episode is out. If you want to join

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the book club, get those discussion questions apply to them.

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Maybe all that is in the show notes. And yeah, okay,

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that was my last reminder. I guess I don't know.

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Don't become a pilot so you don't run into UFOs

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that are twenty seven los omnies. Yeah and yeah, stay

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a spookie will catch everyone next time. Bye. Book Tells

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is hosted by Christina and Carmen, produced and edited by Christina,

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researched by Christina Carmen and with the help of Don

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shout out with Don. If you're enjoying the podcast considerably,

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gonna say five star review, we would really appreciate it.

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If you don't want to the book five star review,

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just don't leave a review. But don't leave anything know

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You can go to our website at pookitos dot com

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that's fine too. You can also get some merch. You

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can find Shrewssay, Spooky and old English letters. There's a beanie.

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I love the beanie. There's also a hat. There's a

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lot of options, crap tops, sweaters. It's almost wetter weather.

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We're nearing a Spookie season, so yeah, get your hoodies.

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You're gonna need them. If you don't want to do

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all that, that's fine too. You can just listen like

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you're listening now, and that's the best support that you

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This is in the show notes and we appreciate every

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single listen. Thank you so much. Stay a Spooky