Legends From Jalisco and The Case of Pablo Amin

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Hi, everyone, this is Christina, and this is MJ and Carmen

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and this is another episode of Spooky
Tale. So podcasts for all things spooky

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and also true crime because we're doing
that again. And I don't know for

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how long we're going to be doing
this, but I just I like long

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episodes and sometimes one spooky story is
just it's not enough, you know.

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I feel, you know, I
feel we're gonna keep doing this until we

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get recognized as the Latinati m version
of And that's why we drink yes uh

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And I have a true crime case
from Argentina. MJ. What are you

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you have today? I had multiple
links today and I didn't know what to

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pick because at first I started ghost
stories, but then I was like,

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how about I continue doing state lore, like from Okay, Mexico. So

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I found a few from Hallischool instead
of Sakka's this time. Okay, So

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I found some really good ones that
I don't think we've covered on here.

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So I'm excited we'll find out.
I hope we have it, because I

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don't remember any of these. But
that's not an indicator. That's not an

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indication that we didn't cover it.
We never. That doesn't mean anything.

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But before we get to all of
that, Kerman has a listeners story for

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us. And if you have a
spooky story that you want to share with

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us so we can read, you
can email at spooky toes at gmails dot

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com. You can d m us
on Instagram or any of the socials.

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You can submitter on discord. There's
a lot of options. You can call

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you a spooky hotline. If you
think you're so too long, let me

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know. Okay, we will make
it happen, all right. So this

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is from a listener. They said, Hey, I recently started listening to

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your podcast on my drive to work
and really enjoy it. I thought I

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would share my mom's story with you
guys. This story takes place in the

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small town of Buruandido. My mom
is the second oldest of eleven children.

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So about thirty five years ago,
when my mom had already moved to the

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States with my dad, she decided
it was time to go visit her family

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in Mexico. They were out there
for a couple of days, and my

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oldest sister, who was about five
at the time, also went. During

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the week, my mom, her
sisters, and her sister in law got

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bored and they decided to play with
the Luiji board. Of course, they

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got in contact with the spirit of
a little boy who had become decapitated in

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a car accident. His head was
never found. They would talk to the

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spirit of the little boy and asking
random questions. The last night before my

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parents were supposed to fly back to
the States, my mom and aunts decided

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to play one last time. It
was riding outside and my dad had gone

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out with my uncles to get drunk. While my mom and aunts were playing

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with Luigi, they heard their dog
barking and running back and forth down the

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hall. Now, if you guys
have been to Mexico, you'll understand that

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the way the houses are built are
completely different to the ones here. My

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grandmother's house where they were playing had
a partial roof, and the hallway led

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up to what was called the corral
where the bathroom was, and was also

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dark as fuck. So the dog
kept running up and down the hall.

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He would stop. No, they
use that word again, Oh, no,

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stop whatever whatever that is. The
dog kept running up and down the

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hall. He would stop, or
right where the light ended leading to the

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corral. My sorry, okay.
My mom says she heard the dog start

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crying and he beat and he came
barking at the door to where they were.

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The dog was obviously scared and wanted
to go in the room, so

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my aunt opens the door and lets
the dog in. So the aunt let

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the dog in, and then she's
looking towards the kora to see what the

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dog was barking at. Down the
hallway. My grandmother had a lot of

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plants and vases lined up against the
wall. My aunt is still looking when

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she suddenly turns pale. She tells
my mom go to that inn. I

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see a little boy in diapers and
he's hiding behind one of the vases.

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He doesn't hat, sorry, he
doesn't have a head. No, I'm

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sorry. I can't keep reading this
the sister Scaray. My mom says that

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to this day when she saw my
aunt, she still remembers how pale my

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aunt got and also noticed the little
hairs on her arms stand up. My

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mom then tells my aunt, no, I'm not looking at that same they

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finally shut the door and decided to
put the Ouiji board inside the door.

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They went to better frightened, but
my mom had to leave early in the

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morning to catch her flight. Throughout
the night, my mom and aunt said

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they could hear the dog crying,
like if he could see something they couldn't.

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They were afraid. Early in the
morning, around three am, my

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mom wakes up and they're saying they're
goodbye to her family. It's still raining

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and there's a taxi waiting outside for
my parents and sister. While my parents

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are loading up the luggage and my
aunt goes outside to say goodbye. She's

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standing at the door with my uncle
when she notices a little boy in the

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front seat. My aunt then asks
my uncle, why does that man have

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the little boy with him this early. My uncle looks but sees in no

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one and tells my aunt, there's
no one there. You're crazy. At

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this point, my sister's already in
the taxi, and she also tells my

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mom once they get to the airport
that she had seen a little boy in

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the front seat. Fast forward a
couple days later, my mom calls my

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grandmother to check in with her.
When my grandma starts telling my mom ganda

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nasustandoa tu seramanas you guys shouldn't have
been playing with that ouiji. My mom

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also notice things all off after they
played with it. Anyways, that's the

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end of the story. Every time
I go visit my family in Mexico,

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my aunt's always tell us a story
that's scary. You know, it's worse

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too, Like I'm saying, it's
open, So if it's an duntal,

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it's open into like nothingness at night. Yeah, that's even worse. That's

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even worse. Like like I like, I wish I could tell people like

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a lot of these junials barely have
electricity and internet. Dark's dark. It

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is extremely dark, and like,
yeah, I would die with that like

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level of like I mean, unless
maybe the moon's out, But I don't

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think that would help much because you
could probably have like you know, hills

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and hills and hills for miles and
miles and miles, and your nearest neighbor

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might be far away. No,
no, wow. Also, the little

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boy took the taxi, so did
he go home with with the mom?

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Oh my god. No. It
was like an attachment. That's even worse.

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But then they kept scaring the ants, so are haunting them? So

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maybe I feel like every phone call
after that and be like, well,

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guess what because of you, they're
still scaring your sisters. Look what you

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did. You just came here to
start a haunting. Like, thanks,

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thanks a lot, don't come back, or if you come back, take

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this thing with you, take it
with you. That's that's no, that's

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a no, no, no,
thank you. Okay. So I have

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one hold on one, two,
three, four stories, so they're pretty

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small. But I've never heard of
these and I hope we didn't go over

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them. There was like two episodes
we've done that you were not a part

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of. What we talked about was
hada, I think, so sop Okay,

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did you guys do the legend of
the pile of snakes? No?

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I may have talked about it on
TikTok before, but not here. So

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in Talapa, there is a fountain
or base in with four snakes carved and

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stone from which the jets of water
come out. And according to this legend,

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the snakes were four co madres of
the village who used to gossip about

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people in the nineteenth century. They
were known as as Maria's Linguist and Maria

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Linguist, Yeah, Maria's Linguis.
They used to gather at the fountain and

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one day El Indio Macario, like
I was reading this in English, it

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was like Macarius and it's Mai warned
them not to continue with the habit of

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speaking ill of people. They laughed
and insulted him, and Macario drank water

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from the fountain, splashed the four
ladies with the water, which I'm guessing

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like spit it on them, and
cursed them in the Ottomi language. The

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four Maria lingois began to twist in
two stone serpents sticking to each side of

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the fountain, and that's how supposedly
these snakes came to be the stone snakes.

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I've heard this before, Yeah,
I don't know. Sometimes she's mossas

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it doesn't go well for us.
And in the paranormal, because there's another

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legend it's like but it's and apparently
part of the legend is that if you're

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a gossiping, if you're a she's
massa. She's Musca. That got it,

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that's gonna get you. Please let
us she's mossas be. I like,

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I like what's it called? I
like knowing the tea. I don't

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like being in the tea though,
Like I don't like being part of the

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tea. Yeah, so I'll hear
all of it and I'll tell somebody,

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but I won't, like, I
don't want to be involved. Yeah,

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it's like what's it called? Those
the stories when you see something, your

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neighbors doing something, you start vacuuming
the grass. It's like, what are

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just vacuuming my grass? Washing the
rain? Don't don't worry about it.

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Didn't go well for these Madias though. No, okay, so the next

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story is the Death Clock, and
I kind of feel like we cover this,

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but I'm not sure. Oh yeah, yeah, we did. It's

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in right, yeah, yes,
okay, So the next one, okay,

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we'll go to the next one,
the Treasure of Colombo. We recover

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that one. It's not like Columbus, like Christopher Columbus. It's just a

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guy named Colombo. It is said
that in the south of Jalisco, in

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the caves of the Nevado the Colomba
lived a series of bandits with Colombo as

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their reference. What does that mean. I'm guessing like like their their group

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name was Colombo. Okay, okay, But I feel like also like from

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the story that I read that Colombo
was also like the name of the leader.

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Okay okay. This was a skilled
thief who managed to amass an incredible

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fortune by stealing from those who had
made their fortune illicitly. So I'm guessing

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he's like he was like some kind
of like a like a Robin Hood.

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Yeah, like a Robin Hood type
figure. And the problem arose when Colombo's

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daughter fell in love with another bandit, something that infuriated her father. It

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is said that they fought to the
death and the treasure was abandoned. And

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now for like people who want to
like go to the caves and stuff.

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So maybe you know, it's the
legends that the caves are always always have

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treasure. Wait, where are these
caves in the south of Jalisco and the

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caves of Nevado. Oh, that's
right, Okay, So then I'm just

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I'm taking notes so we can go
find it. You know, they would

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have been fine if he just didn't
fight over fight to the death with his

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daughter's partner. But if I was
his daughter, I'd be like, what

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treasure is? Right now? True? Oh? What is it called?

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Like like when when something happens,
like I'd rather cry in a like a

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Mercedes than on the street. They
say, yeah, they say money doesn't

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bring happiness, but like I would
be pretty happy crying and like, I

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don't know, imagine I'd rather crying. Imasion more rooms to cry in?

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Yes please? Yes? Okay.
So the next uh, this next story

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is called the Giants of Tala And
I don't know if you guys ever heard

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the Giants I had sounds familiar because
I talked about it on TikTok. Yeah,

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there's a lot of myths about like
giants in Mexico and videos allegedly that

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are real quote unquote real. I
think they There was like a like a

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a video of a giant humanoid human
thing coming out of a cave in Mexico

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that went pretty viral. But I
don't, like, I don't know how

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real, Like I don't believe it's
real, but it was. It went

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viral. Yeah, so The story
of Tala has its origins in New Spain.

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Apparently when Jalisco was known as New
Galicia. Yes, Nova Galicia.

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We just talked about it on easton
isn't known. It was mentioned that there

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were giants in it after the flood, and the historians of the time reported

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that when they were twenty years old, fifty years before the Spaniards entered New

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Spain, up to thirty men appeared
in the valleys of Taala, who in

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the Mexica language were called juannamethin hui
nametin I can't pronounce, I'm sorry,

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guys, which means giants in their
language, and twenty seven were males and

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three were females, and their bodies
were thirty five feet tall, according to

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the measurements made by father Viaseca,
a famous sculpture, and he observed this

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when their bodies were apparently dug up. Arriving at the towns of Tala,

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they stopped at the swamps that today
are called Los Guissillos, a sienda that

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belonged to the zeldon Apodaca. They
live in there like beasts, except in

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the rainy season, when they had
huts so they that they could sleep and

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keep warm lying down. They were
lazy and glutinous, and with their ferocity

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they held captive the indigenous people of
the valley and forced them to sustain them.

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So I don't know if it meant
like like eighth indigenous people or like

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the indigenous people had to like cultivate
and bring them you know, fruits and

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vegetables and whatnot. Both maybe both. Maybe. With such frightful guests,

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the indigenous people depopulated their villages and
withdrew to other provinces. And as the

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giants found themselves alone and were lazy
and eaters of their own, they fainted

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from a lack of food, and
twenty six died. They buried each other

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and covered the bodies with lime.
So that was interesting, like the the

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burials, and they mean lime like
the like limestone like oh okay, not

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like not only okay, thank you, okay, because I was on that

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tree. Yes, what is called
the Is it a mineral? What is

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it? Like? Yeah, like
a limestone? Yeah, I think it

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is a mineral, like the lime
that gets built up in your showers and

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okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think Okay. The giants who

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remained continued to take advantage of the
indigenous people. So tired of the abuse,

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indigenous people gathered a group of more
than twenty thousand people and went to

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the valley of at the Mehak where
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roots and killed them. And at
the fame of this victory and a lot

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of people like flock, so like
people were coming to see the dead giants.

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And but but they say that like
nobody approached the dead giants just in

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case. So this was like apparently
a story that was told to the Spanish

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when when they exhumed the bodies and
the indigenous people told the story to the

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Spanish. Wow, there's always legends
about giants in Mexico. I gotta find

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the video. Let me see it
was on TikTok. I see m Yeah,

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and then I did read back when
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one. There's a couple of explanations
for the giants. One is that people

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of indigenous people found mammoth bones.
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the giant bones, not knowing they
were about the bones. There's another story

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though, that the people, the
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short people they were short and then
like giant giants from like not giants,

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that's in real giants, but gigantic
tall people from like meatro Gun were traveling

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and they the groups encountered each other
and fought, and the shorties were like,

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these are clearly giants. Okay,
I sent you guys to videos of

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supposedly giants. Okay, Mexico,
But there's like so many stories of giants

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in North America too. Indigenous people
here in the United States also had stories

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of giants, redheaded giants. It
looks like someone dressed up in a cloak,

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red headed giants from No, they're
here and uh oh here in the

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United States, there's legends of like
these these. Oh, I think I've

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heard I've heard of those. I
forgot what they're called. The top commenting

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one of the ones you sent says, a giant in Mexico's anything above five

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to five. I'm sorry, but
do you not have friends from each Wakan?

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They are tall? No, I
feel like, no, wonder Jessica's

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family is tall. Yes, yes, that's what they're so tall and they're

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from No. Then my grandfather's side, granted, he's like most like European,

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like he's not mixed with any Indigenous. It's like you know the span

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the Spanish that arrived that never mixed. Oh yeah, you've talked about him

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on his side and the family,
they're all like six something sixty six,

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like my uncle, like me and
my mom were the shortest people in our

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family. And my aunts are like
five eight five nine, and her her

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brothers, my uncles are all like
six foot sixty six. It's crazy,

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we're just the short ones. I
thought this video from La Blanca was a

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witch would quit just like floating on
top or something. I couldn't tell anything

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on the hill the first video,
Yeah, it looks like a person wearing

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the costume from Scream just walking up
the hill. Yeah, floating up the

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hill. It doesn't look like they're
floating. It looks like they're walking.

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Interesting, I think they looks like
they're floating. I don't think so.

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Well, A disagree. But also
very tall, Like I mean, I

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feel like you can't tell from that
angle how tall they actually are, but

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like the houses are in front of
them, and I feel like I could

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imagine somebody's head popping out of that
the the windows and it would not be

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like that big. It could also
be like somebody like on stilts if it's

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like a flat area somewhere. Yeah. I do have an extra story,

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but it's from Reddit. Do you
want me to I don't know if we

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covered it, I don't think,
So let's do it. Let's do it

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because we took away from you what
is that oh, oh my god,

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and took am minute? Yes,
okay, or like what's it called?

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What is that thing called? I'm
on dial up over here? Yeah,

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okay, okay. It says my
experience in Monterrey, Mexico. And this

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is under subreddit ghost stories, and
it's by you or an open Ledger and

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it says warning, this post is
long. Whatever. Anyways, through my

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younger years seven through twelve, my
mother dated a guy very on and off,

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which I think mostly had to do
with him being in the army and

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staying with his family in Larelo,
Texas whenever he was home either way,

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he invited us to visit his cousin's
summer cabin in Monterey, Mexico for a

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weekend, so we did. The
cabin was very Wrench style, longer in

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one dimension and shorter in the other, so it was built like an architectural

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rectangle. Your story is too long
because you feel okay, thanks for sharing

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that. On one far side of
the building think of this as an a

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an aerial view was the kitchen,
and next to it was the living room.

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Attached to the living room was a
long, splendor hallway connected to bedrooms

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on each side and a bathroom on
one of the sides. The backyard was

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only accessible through the living room via
a sliding door, and what started as

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a bit of the desert floor met
a forest treeline of dead, dying Monterey

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cypress trees. Meeting the tree line
was an elevated hunting tower which had its

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platform meeting the top of a vertical
tree line, prefacing my experience of the

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falling information because I believe in being
open minded in the very aspect that and

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want to tell my story rather than
sell my story. Okay. On our

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way to the cabin, my mom's
boyfriend was telling us about a cursed legend

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of witches of Monterrey. Apparently they
had been haunting the mountainous area for generations

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and were his childhood's version of la
Clearly he wasn't trying to scare us from

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the get go, and me,
being so young, I was eating this

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shit up like candy. We got
to the cabin in the late evening,

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so we decided to stay in for
the night and watch m Night Shamalan's The

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Lady in the Water. I mean, at least he didn't watch Signs,

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Yeah, because I'd be scared.
After the movie, my mom's boyfriend asked

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me to go get something from the
bedroom for him, and I was.

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As as I was halfway down the
hallway, he turned the lights off on

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me. Let me remind you,
this was a very rural part of Mexico,

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so the dark was dark. I'm
sorry, that's rude as fuck.

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This was a very rural part of
Mexico, so the dark was dark.

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So with all the scary stories and
at the time for me, scary movie,

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I was spooped and froze. My
mom's boyfriend began to make your stereotypical

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ghost noises and taunting me to go
deeper into the dark hallway, but I

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was so petrified. I remember just
standing there, frozen in fear of Longer

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story short, my mother got on
him and he turned the lights back on.

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They comforted me, and after a
few apologies, we all went to

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bed. I can't remember how I
slept that night, but I honestly wish

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I did. The next day,
we did a basic tourist shit went to

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a bazaar, embraced the city's beautiful
mountain range, which seemed to hug the

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city, authentic Mexican food, and
visited the main hub of the city.

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When the day was done, we
decided to call it and went back to

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the cabin. This is important to
me because I remember that the night before

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so vividly. You can't remember anything
else about this night other than what I'm

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going to write about. I was
in the living room of the cabin,

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and remember my mom's boyfriend was there
with me. He asked if I wanted

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to go up into the hunting terwer
out back with him, and innocently said

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yes. I wouldn't trust that bitch
after he pulled the night before. Uh

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uh mmm. I remember following him
through the back door of the living room

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and remember him walking ahead and turning
back to wave me towards him. I

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take it as he was trying to
help me keep up with him and follow

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him. I watched him climb the
ladder of the hunting terwer, and then

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I heard a voice behind me,
Hey, my name, where are you

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going? It was my mom's boyfriend
behind me, asking where I was going.

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I turned back to look at the
hunting tower along the tree line,

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and no one was there. Nothing
was not an animal, not my mother,

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not a specter, nothing. But
did he in front of her emotioning?

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Well, he the boyfriend was in
front of him, motioning to go

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forward. You had to follow him
into the into the hunting tower. And

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then who said where are you going? The boyfriend was behind Okay, nod,

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which makes it like which brings himTo
question was it the boyfriend who was

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with him in the living room or
something else or the doppel ganger or the

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evil doppling? Yes, damn no. Fast forward to a few years ago.

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My now wife and I were still
dating at the time and sharing ghost

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experiences. I told her about this
experience and Monterrey, and I will never

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forget the cold, pale look on
her face as I told her. She

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is from Mexican family as well,
and this legend, of which is the

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Monterrey, is very real thing for
her as well. The scary part.

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I was telling her the story on
a Friday, and according to what her

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family told her growing up, Friday
is a forbidden day to talk about them,

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because that's the one day of the
week they're most powerful to keep you

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home on Friday night. Mm hmm. Apparently they never forget their prey and

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use that day as a lure towards
what was lost. Initially I saw bullshit,

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But I can't begin to express how
many fridays my wife has had to

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stop me because I had randomly brought
up the story on a Friday. Maybe

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it was self conscious. I don't
know. Has anyone experienced something like this.

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If not, I still like some
feedback comments, concerns, thank you

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for reading my story, and then
somebody coming in it's a Friday, Lol,

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a Friday. That's crazy. You
just didn't learn that is terrifying because

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like who was he hanging out with
the fucking entire time? Yeah, or

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like I don't even know. That's
just terrifying. No, And like what

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explains that other than a secret evil
twin? I don't know. That's far

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fetched to me. That's more because
because like the thing is, it's like,

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I don't know, that's weird because
the witches are not known for that

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kind of behavior. Well, they're
known for mimicking. Oh, so maybe

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that because like, well, I
guess like in the legends that I've heard

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and people like you know that people
tell me they experienced they do shape shift

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into animals like often pigs, but
then they are like and and PIDs and

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and and let choose us turkeys.
But they also like make like talk and

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mimic things like voices. So I
don't know, like but this was him,

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This was the boyfriend like history,
so like I don't know, beconin

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for him, or maybe the boyfriend
is into some like weird like cult shit.

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So the real boyfriend was behind him, the behind him, oh so

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and asked where he was going because
they were hanging out in the like the

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living room. And then the boyfriend's
like, you want to go or I

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don't know. Where they were going
was a linger to the hunting tower,

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which the only way to get through
it is through the living room. There's

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only like one way to get to
it. It was just through the sliding

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door in the living room. So
he was like, yeah, let's go,

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and then the boyfriend was like,
you know, come on, come

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on, let's go, like get
up into the tower, into the hunting

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tower. But then he heard the
boyfriend behind him say, hey, his

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name, where are you going?
And he turned back and the boyfriend was

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right behind him, and then there
was nobody else in front of him.

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Oh my god. When you take
out all the detail, I understand.

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Yeah, it sounds like he was
being lured. Yeah, until like either

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the like I don't even know,
like what if it was like being lured

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to like the hunting tower, to
be like pushed off or into the forest.

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Yeah, it's weird. N No, Yeah, I would never go

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there ever again. Uh No,
I'm telling you that I would have forced

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my mother and that boyfriend to break
up forever. Well it sounds like they

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did. They did eventually, but
I would have caused that shit if it

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was after that moment. Oh that's
horrifying. I have anxiety now. Well,

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So I did leave some stuff out
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it's pretty horrible. And I'm going
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and then later we'll get into like
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eight, two thousand and seven,
in San Miguel Le Tukuma in Argentina,

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a couple, Pablo Amin and Maria
Marta Arias, arrived to the town for

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yeah, I didn't know there was
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MMMM, there is. All the
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I didn't know that other MLMs had
them, so of course urban Life

404
00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:18.279
the OG has to have it.
Sorry to drell so early, but I

405
00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:30.079
went to an MLM convention not knowing
it was one because my ex almost got

406
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:36.519
conned into one. Of them.
It was one that sold like insurances.

407
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:41.799
There was so much cheering, so
much my life change and blah blah blah.

408
00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:44.319
And I was like, I was
saying there like this, this can't

409
00:31:44.359 --> 00:31:48.559
be right, Like this doesn't sound
right? Is this real? Red flags

410
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:53.279
are everywhere? There were neon Well, I imagine that this is what the

411
00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:57.920
erbal Life convention was like. So
they arrived. They were staying at the

412
00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:05.200
luxurious hotel Catalina's Park, which was
a like street away from where the convention

413
00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:08.119
was taking place, and they stayed
on the fifth floor in room five hundred

414
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:13.799
and fourteen. Maria didn't want to
go to the convention, but Bablo was

415
00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:17.400
insisting, and so they went together. And the convention was in Tukuman Center.

416
00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:22.119
Everything was going well. Bablo gave
a lecture on I don't know,

417
00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:24.279
urban life, smoothies or some shit
like I really don't know what his lecture

418
00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:27.799
was on, but like what else
could it be on? It's fucking rbal

419
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:31.839
life, Like what milk goes best
with the powder? Mix it with this

420
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:36.000
and this I don't know. Was
the erbal life found to have like all

421
00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:40.119
kinds of shit in it? Yeah? Yes, yes it was. Yeah.

422
00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:45.079
And the chokehol that I had on
the Latin or Latina community. Oh

423
00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:50.200
my god, everybody, everybody's aunts
were selling it. Well, I was

424
00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:52.920
gonna say, we didn't have a
ta that sold it, and I was

425
00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:57.720
like, it was my mom.
But it was when the thea yeah,

426
00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:02.359
yeah, yeah, so yeah.
He gave some lecture on I don't know,

427
00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:06.440
orbal live smoothie or some shit,
and it was going well, people

428
00:33:06.440 --> 00:33:10.079
were clappying whatever, but then suddenly
on stage he started screaming at people,

429
00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:15.880
and he was screaming specifically at one
vendor, and he was accusing this vendor

430
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:20.759
of him trying to take his clients
away from him, and the vendor wasn't

431
00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:25.480
even in the room when he was
up there screaming about this, and he's

432
00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:30.440
like, let's fight right now and
stuff like that. So Maria ran on

433
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:34.160
the stage and was like, okay, like calm down. It wasn't working.

434
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:38.559
Pablo stormed off stage. She ran
after him, trying to stop him.

435
00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:44.079
She was pulling it by the shirt, but obviously he's a man and

436
00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:47.799
he can pull away whatever. So
she ran after him, followed him outside

437
00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:52.839
to their car, and when they
were in the car, he started screaming

438
00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:58.160
again that he heard a woman's voice
telling him to run because someone was trying

439
00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:01.200
to kill him. So he got
out of the car and just took off

440
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:07.279
running, and Maria, worried about
her husband, ran after him, and

441
00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:13.400
his ass ran slash walked for two
hours? What and she was running after

442
00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:16.519
him the whole time. She should
have called the authorities for help. He's

443
00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:22.679
clearly experiencing a mental breakdown. Yeah, something clearly was going on, because

444
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:28.320
this is not normal behavior from him. So finally she caught up to him

445
00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:32.320
and he agreed to take a taxi, and the taxi dropped them off four

446
00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:37.880
blocks away from where the convention was
taking place, and instead of going back

447
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:42.679
into their hotel, Bablo ran into
a cathedral that was right there. So

448
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:46.639
Cathedral of s. Carnacion, that's
the name of the cathedral. He ran

449
00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:51.599
in there. And now it was
around five pm and it was crowded.

450
00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:53.559
I mean, it's like a I
don't know, typical church hour, I

451
00:34:53.559 --> 00:35:00.000
guess, And there was a line
of people waiting and some sources said baptized

452
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:05.360
and others said, what's it called
when you go up there to get the

453
00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:09.199
community? Yes, so I think
it was a communion, because this is

454
00:35:09.239 --> 00:35:13.960
a Catholic Church. You don't just
stand in line to good baptized. Yeah,

455
00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:17.679
well, yeah you can really,
I never know at that. Well,

456
00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:22.440
there's also the confirmations. Oh but
that's not like a baptism never mind.

457
00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:24.719
No, Like the only thing you're
standing in line for is the communion,

458
00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:34.840
like a long line when my kids
sit there baptism. There was a

459
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:38.960
lot of people doing it that day
with kids. Yeah, with kids.

460
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:45.280
Oh okay. So normally the ones
that I've gone to, it's like the

461
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:50.800
couples that are baptizing their baby are
already up there waiting, and it's like

462
00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:54.119
four or five people up there,
not a huge line in the aisle in

463
00:35:54.159 --> 00:35:57.760
the middle of the aisle. That's
true. Yeah, no, but I

464
00:35:57.800 --> 00:36:00.400
guess if it's a very busy day, then they're creating a long ass line,

465
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:05.760
right, But I don't know.
We were all surrounded the priest,

466
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:08.559
so it wasn't really a line,
I guess. M okay, okay,

467
00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:14.639
so you were up there with the
priests, not in the in between the

468
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:20.400
the pews, p thank you the
sea like a fucking heathen. Oh.

469
00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:27.320
I only really remember it's pew because
it's pew pew. Okay, So now

470
00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:35.000
I'm inclined to think it was the
first commune or not com communion taking.

471
00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:37.719
We keep we keep doing this.
Yeah, I think that's what was happening,

472
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:43.360
because I would explain a line in
between the pews. So there was

473
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:46.719
a line of people, and he
dragged Maria to the front of the line,

474
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:53.760
in front of everyone, and he
demanded to be baptized by the priest,

475
00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:58.920
and the priest was like, you
gotta wait a line, buddy,

476
00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:04.239
like everyone else. It's not being
weird or whatever, and he was no.

477
00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:07.199
He was demanding again, like no, this needs to happen. You

478
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:10.840
need to baptize me. Then he
there was like people taking pictures in the

479
00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:14.599
church for some reason. So now
I'm thinking maybe it was a line of

480
00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:21.039
people getting baptized, like maybe they
were doing baptisms on babies or I don't

481
00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:23.199
know what was going on. Honestly, the sources were confusing one of the

482
00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:28.880
two. Anyway, there was photographers
there for some reason, and he dragged

483
00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:32.679
one of the photographers up to the
front of line with them and was like,

484
00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:36.360
okay, you need to take pictures
of like our baptism. We're getting

485
00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:40.039
baptized right now. The priest was
like, fine, and he just gave

486
00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:45.480
him like a bendision, you know, like a blessing, so he'd leave,

487
00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:50.679
and this whole time Maria was mortified. She went and sat in a

488
00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:53.800
different part of the church to not
be near him. She was scared as

489
00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:59.440
well. So after the priest gave
him the blessing, before he ran out,

490
00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:05.079
he grabbed the bowl of like like
baptism water that they have for like

491
00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:07.880
you know where they scoop. Yeah, so he grabbed all of that and

492
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:13.519
just started chugging it. What.
Yeah, I'm like, I'm just like,

493
00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:15.280
I'm stuck on that this man needed
help and nobody called for help.

494
00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:21.239
Yeah, he really did. Because
but then also like the wife is like,

495
00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:23.840
I don't know him, like he's
clearly where She's like, yeah,

496
00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:28.880
yeah, someone should have dialed.
And I mean they should have. They

497
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:30.760
probably had it self like a you
know, big ugly cell phone back then.

498
00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:35.599
It's what did I say, two
thousand and seven? Ok? Yeah,

499
00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:37.719
two thousand and seven, So no, yeah, somebody still had I

500
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:42.559
would hope somebody would have dialed nine
one one, but no, wait was

501
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:46.800
this here in the States? Oh, surely they had cell phones, So

502
00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:51.239
I don't know. I also feel
like in Latin community. It's really difficult

503
00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:54.639
because mental health is very taboo.
That's true. They really could have just

504
00:38:54.639 --> 00:39:00.519
been like he's just crazy and not
done anything like yeah, yeah. So

505
00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:05.280
he drank all of it as much
as he could. He chrugged it and

506
00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:09.079
then threw it down and then just
ran out of the cathedral. By this

507
00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:14.000
point, Maria and him separated.
She ran back to the convention to the

508
00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:17.480
for the friends, and Bablo just
kept running in between cars, just weaving,

509
00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:22.519
yelling that someone was trying to kill
him. He ran through Plaza in

510
00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:27.119
Dependencia, and that's when a police
officer saw him. The officer walked up

511
00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:30.519
to him and asked him if he
needed help, and he was surprised when

512
00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:35.639
Bablo asked to be arrested. So
Bablo was taken to the station and there

513
00:39:35.679 --> 00:39:38.960
he asked for more water. He
said he was dying of thirst, I

514
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:43.480
don't know, and so an officer
went to go get the water, but

515
00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:47.199
before he could even come back with
the cup, Bablo ran to the faucet,

516
00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:52.480
turned it on and just started drinking
from the running water in front of

517
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:58.199
the officers for like a little too
long, like it had been too long,

518
00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:00.880
and he was still drinking from the
faucet in front of them. Finally

519
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:06.360
he turned it off, and then
he told officers that he was into Kuman

520
00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:10.119
for the Erbal Life convention. And
then he said he had problems with his

521
00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:15.480
wife, that she didn't love him, she wanted to isolate him. Police,

522
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:19.559
they were just weirded out. They
called his wife, Maria, and

523
00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:23.960
Maria arrived at seven pm with a
mutual friend of theirs named Walter. And

524
00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:30.679
Walter also worked for Edba Life.
So Maria, they're all in the police

525
00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:36.320
station. They're waiting for him to
be okay, like to be released.

526
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:42.119
Each one of them is interviewed individually
by police. During Bablo's interview by himself,

527
00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:46.400
you know, after Walter and Maria
arrived, Bablo had asked Walter if

528
00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:51.159
we had like erbal life stuff with
him, and then he started trying to

529
00:40:51.199 --> 00:40:57.519
sell urban Life to the officers,
but like in a normal voice. Now,

530
00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:00.400
no, no, no, sorry, not in a normal voice.

531
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:02.400
He was talking really fast and really
loud, That's what I meant to say

532
00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:07.360
the whole time. And he was
just telling them like he lost forty pounds

533
00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:12.840
using it, everyone in his family
used it. And the officers were so

534
00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:19.559
startled and confused by his behavior.
They gave him the name Bablo e loco.

535
00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:22.199
I mean, because again, this
is two thousand and seven and it's

536
00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:27.559
Latin America, they're gonna give names
like that. And so then he had

537
00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:31.239
to talk to like the captain,
the person in charge the whole station before

538
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:37.840
he was okay to be like let
go. And when he talked to him,

539
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:42.920
the captain told him that he needed
to go to the hospital before being

540
00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:47.559
released because he needed a medical of
evaluation. And Bablo tried to refuse.

541
00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:50.920
He tried to say like, no, they're just gonna pump me full of

542
00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:53.800
drugs and so I'm not going.
But the captain was like, well,

543
00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:57.880
you need to go or you're gonna
stay in custody, Like you need to

544
00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:00.679
have a valuation, so we release
you because we need to know that you're

545
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:06.000
okay. So Bablo he finally accepted. He was taken in a police car

546
00:42:06.159 --> 00:42:09.719
while Madia and Walter followed in their
car. Somehow, the doctor at the

547
00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:14.519
hospital said he was okay, like
nothing was wrong with him. Well,

548
00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:21.239
he probably had no training in psychiatric
like conditions and stuff like that. True,

549
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:23.960
that that makes sense, Yeah,
I mean, like it's it's just

550
00:42:24.039 --> 00:42:30.320
so evident. I mean, yeah, like, no one sensible does this.

551
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:34.800
The water chugging, that's so bizarre. But well, the running between

552
00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:40.079
the cars, saying someone's gonna kill
him. Yeah, giving a normal lecture

553
00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:46.960
then suddenly screaming yeah, it's something
is clearly wrong. But the doctor released

554
00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:50.519
him. He said, no,
you're okay, there's nothing wrong with you.

555
00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:54.800
And Bablo begged the officer to arrest
him, to lock him up.

556
00:42:55.480 --> 00:43:00.400
He said he needed to be behind
bars, but they let him go because

557
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:04.079
the doctor said it was okay,
there was nothing wrong with him. So

558
00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:08.000
on the way out of the hospital
this hospital room, Bablo tripped over a

559
00:43:08.079 --> 00:43:14.119
mayo stand and so those are the
like one armed things with a tray on

560
00:43:14.199 --> 00:43:20.280
it that people put medical things on, like scalpels, fials, things like

561
00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:23.199
that. So he dropped over one
of those and nobody saw him do this,

562
00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:29.960
but he grabbed a scalpel from that
yikes. And they walked out and

563
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:34.159
Bablo told Maria, don't worry,
I'm okay. It's gonna be okay.

564
00:43:35.039 --> 00:43:38.960
And they arrived to their hotel,
Catalina's Park. Walter, the friend,

565
00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:43.000
asked Bablo if he was sure he
was okay, and Bablo was like,

566
00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:45.119
yeah, I was only behaving that
way because I hadn't slept in four days.

567
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:50.719
Uh well, okay, she just
started there. Do you tell the

568
00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:54.079
doctor that, like what the hell
right? Right? Because you know,

569
00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:59.519
like not sleeping for days is another
It is a symptom of some conditions.

570
00:43:59.559 --> 00:44:02.480
But also so not sleeping that long
kind of makes you a little sloopy.

571
00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:07.480
Yeah, you're gonna have issues being
awake that long. So that's what he

572
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:13.360
told Walter, and Walter watched us. Pablon Maria walked away to their room.

573
00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:15.760
They were staying on the same floor, the fifth floor. Bablo and

574
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:19.679
his wife were in room five hundred
and three. Babloon and my dad were

575
00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:22.880
in room five hundred and fourteen.
So he watched them walk away. He

576
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:27.880
even saw Pablo kiss Maria on the
on the forehead, and he really did

577
00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:30.519
seem like he was back to his
normal self. So whatever, Walter went

578
00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:35.760
into his room. They went into
their room. Marianne Pablo got into bed.

579
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:38.280
Bablo turned on the TV. Maria
turned around to go to sleep,

580
00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:44.119
but then he didn't let her go
to sleep. He asked her, why

581
00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:46.079
does she take so long to get
to the police station, which I don't

582
00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:51.840
think she did because he ran off
or they were in the church at five,

583
00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:54.440
if he if she went back to
the convention and he ran off and

584
00:44:54.480 --> 00:45:00.760
got taken to the police station and
she was there at seven, Like that

585
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:05.840
doesn't seem that long to me.
But he demanded to know why she took

586
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:08.400
so long, and then she was
I guess over it or something. I

587
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:12.960
don't know, but she yelled back
that she took lot because she wanted him

588
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:16.000
to be held at some psychiatric ward
like he needed. I mean, that's

589
00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:21.280
why he needed. I don't know
the protocol for that to happen over there,

590
00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:25.719
but that should have been done.
You think if you think if someone

591
00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:30.199
was saying I need to be held
overnight, that they would just do it.

592
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:32.199
I don't know. I don't know
how any of this works. And

593
00:45:32.199 --> 00:45:37.599
that's not to say that a mandatory
hold is like the solution it's made out

594
00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:42.280
to be those it's not. But
I mean, sometimes when someone is a

595
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:46.360
danger to others and themselves, it
is necessary sometimes. Yeah, And if

596
00:45:46.360 --> 00:45:52.679
he was asking and it sounds like
something horrible is about to happen that could

597
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:59.719
have been prevented, it sounded like
he wanted he volunteered himself to be on

598
00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:02.639
home, which is weird that they
didn't take it because like oftentimes, yeah,

599
00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:07.679
when people who are self aware of
their situation and they're like, well

600
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:13.119
I need to be like institutionalized for
a little bit because I'm not doing well,

601
00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:17.320
they can take themselves, you know, themselves, which I mean,

602
00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:22.039
it sounds like they didn't even call
like a mental health professional to assess him.

603
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:28.079
Right, it was a doctor,
which still should have like recognized if

604
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:30.239
they had been told everything that had
happened up to that point, they should

605
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:34.719
have recognized that he needed to say. They might have not been told because

606
00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:37.760
we don't know, Yeah, but
that's true, we don't and I couldn't

607
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:40.760
find information if that doctor was told
or not, So yeah, I don't

608
00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:45.599
know, but yeah, he really
should have been held somewhere overnight, and

609
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:47.760
like we said, especially because he
was requesting it. Yeah, I mean

610
00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:52.320
it sounds like Maddy I wanted that
too. So this and this is the

611
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:58.119
horrible part that's coming up. I
can like barely stomach saying it. Okay,

612
00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:02.920
So Bablo Oh got mad. He
climbed over Maria and strangled her and

613
00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:07.039
she didn't even have time to react. He's big. He's tall, she's

614
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:12.880
not. So she died pretty quickly
because he strangled her. But Babla wasn't

615
00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:17.400
done without going into like too much
details and just like surface things, he

616
00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:25.599
grabbed the scalpel and cut her cut
her eyes out and yeah, it's it's

617
00:47:27.920 --> 00:47:34.199
He placed each eye individually on the
bed. Oh, I'm just it was

618
00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:39.840
so appalling to read. Wow.
And then he h he cut her private

619
00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:45.519
area. He cut her neck and
her face. Uh. Then he grabs

620
00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:52.400
her hair and cut part of her
forehead so that her cranium was exposed.

621
00:47:53.519 --> 00:47:58.840
He like like cut it off,
and then he grabbed her by the hair,

622
00:47:59.119 --> 00:48:02.800
dragged her into the hallway and all
the way to the elevator. Then

623
00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:07.039
he was like desperately pressing the button
and it was taken too long. So

624
00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:12.119
then he drags her over to the
stairs and threw her down the stairs.

625
00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:15.719
Oh my god. Then he walked
over to room five hundred three, where

626
00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:19.440
Walter and his wife were staying,
and he knocked and knocked, but they

627
00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:22.400
didn't open the door. So when
they didn't open the door, he went

628
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:27.639
back to the stairs and then dragged
her to down another flight of stairs.

629
00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:31.559
So in between the first and second
floor. Then he started yelling and where

630
00:48:31.599 --> 00:48:36.880
he was he started yelling for the
elevator. A hotel employee ran in to

631
00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:40.760
see what was going on. Oh
employee, Yeah, obviously horrified at what

632
00:48:40.840 --> 00:48:49.119
he saw, especially when he saw
the condition that she was in, Like,

633
00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:55.159
that's so traumatizing. So he ran
out of there screaming, and he

634
00:48:55.400 --> 00:49:01.360
went straight to the phone to dial
the police. And they didn't take long

635
00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:06.840
to get there at all. It
was like within minutes they arrived and immediately

636
00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:09.519
they went to the staircase, the
stairwell, and they told Bablo to step

637
00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:14.599
away from Maria. Oh sorry,
I forgot to say. This is another

638
00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:19.880
like horrible detail. When the receptionist
started screaming at what he saw, Bablo

639
00:49:19.960 --> 00:49:23.760
grabbed Maria's head and just repeatedly started
assimning it on the floor. And when

640
00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:29.159
police arrived, he was still doing
that. Oh my god. They ordered

641
00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:32.559
him to step away from her,
and he didn't. He continued to kick

642
00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:37.400
her. Now they yelled again that
he needed to step away or they would

643
00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:43.320
shoot, and so he did.
He finally stepped away and like got on

644
00:49:43.360 --> 00:49:46.920
his knees, then on his stomach, and while he was laying there on

645
00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:51.840
his stomach, he started yelling again
for water, which is like, it's

646
00:49:51.880 --> 00:49:57.559
so bizarre. Obviously something is wrong
because he took the water from the church

647
00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:02.280
chugged it like chugged holy water.
In the police station, he just completely

648
00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:07.599
was chugging sink water instead of waiting
for a cup, like, it's so

649
00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:12.800
strange, and so here he was
again begging for water and begging for mercy.

650
00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:15.840
He said he wanted water because he
swallowed his wedding ring and it was

651
00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:21.239
stuck. I don't know, I
don't know. He was taken to the

652
00:50:21.519 --> 00:50:25.320
psychiatric ward in the hospital where he
had been sedated. Then he was taken

653
00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:30.199
to a prison that held the twenty
five most dangerous prisoners of like this area,

654
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:36.960
and no one understood what had happened. It was revealed that Pablo and

655
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:40.480
Maria were having problems. They were
both known to be unfaithful to each other

656
00:50:40.960 --> 00:50:45.639
at different times of their relationship.
They had been together since they were sixteen,

657
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:50.800
and so at this point they're both
twenty four. They were young.

658
00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:54.800
Yeah, they met in high school, so they had both been unfaithful.

659
00:50:54.960 --> 00:51:00.360
They were also both selling for herbal
life and they were very competitive, point

660
00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:04.320
where they started to like hate each
other. Because they were competing over like

661
00:51:04.920 --> 00:51:07.880
who could make more or something.
That's like the explanation I saw online.

662
00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:14.559
I don't, I don't know.
Yeah, So then investigators went to the

663
00:51:14.599 --> 00:51:19.360
hotel. The crime scene was horrible. They couldn't find the scalpel that he

664
00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:22.639
used. They thought maybe he threw
it down the window or the toilet,

665
00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:24.719
but there was not evidence for either
one of those things. Then they thought

666
00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:29.960
maybe he gave it to Walter,
but it wasn't there either. Walter maintained

667
00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:34.360
that they didn't even open the door
when he was knocking, and they didn't

668
00:51:34.360 --> 00:51:37.039
hear anything, which is crazy to
me because they were I mean, they

669
00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:39.960
were in the same hallway. But
I don't know, I mean like I

670
00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:44.639
don't that's just I don't know.
And yeah, in the end, nobody

671
00:51:44.679 --> 00:51:49.119
really understood what happened. So,
like I said, Pabuin Madia were high

672
00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:52.760
school sweethearts. He was described as
a smart, you know, nice kid

673
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:55.760
when he was young, but then
as he got older, he was like

674
00:51:55.800 --> 00:52:00.800
too smart for his own good and
he got into trouble with the lawn with

675
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:06.480
drugs. But still he won Madia's
heart over when he as he got a

676
00:52:06.519 --> 00:52:10.679
little older, like into adulthood,
like you know, twenty one twenty two,

677
00:52:12.199 --> 00:52:15.800
he started gaining a lot of weight
and that's what got them into urban

678
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:21.079
life in the first place, him
trying to lose weight. And they got

679
00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:23.880
married, you know, when they
turned at twenty four, and that was

680
00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:28.800
July two thousand and seven, so
like three months before. All of this

681
00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:32.880
took place right July, okay,
September, four months October. But as

682
00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:37.079
soon as they got married, they
started having problems right away. Like I

683
00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:39.159
said, they both were known to
be unfaithful to each other. But apparently

684
00:52:39.199 --> 00:52:45.480
Madia took some racy pictures and like
sent them to his friends, and that

685
00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:47.199
made him very mad, and he
was like, I'm gonna get revenge for

686
00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:51.719
this. So they started to detect
this, started to think that was the

687
00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:54.760
reason he killed her. But I
mean, I does not sound like he

688
00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:59.280
was in his right mind at all. No, it doesn't not at all.

689
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:04.840
Sorry, I didn't look up this
water thing, and I found something

690
00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:09.760
called psychogenic polydipsia. It says,
due to a mental disorder, some people

691
00:53:09.800 --> 00:53:14.920
have an uncontrollable urge to drink water, so they drink it all day even

692
00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:19.599
though they don't need to, and
then it does mental illnesses that cost polydipsia

693
00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:27.679
include schizophrenia and other personality disorders and
even mood disorders. So interesting, Okay,

694
00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:30.519
okay, I mean I feel like
that kind of explains this water thing.

695
00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:37.079
Then wow, okay, So yeah, investigators believe that that was the

696
00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:39.360
reason he did it. But again, like it just doesn't make sense because

697
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:44.599
he was perfectly fine and then suddenly
he wasn't, which sounds like a psychotic

698
00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:47.400
break to me. I mean,
yeah, but I'm not a psychiatrist,

699
00:53:47.480 --> 00:53:52.159
you know, I can't say.
And Pablo's trial took place two years later

700
00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:57.079
in two thousand and nine. His
offense claimed that he was not guilty by

701
00:53:57.119 --> 00:53:59.880
reason of insanity, which, honestly, I mean I could see a lot

702
00:53:59.880 --> 00:54:05.119
of sense, Like I could see
that because this was all out of character

703
00:54:05.599 --> 00:54:08.280
for him. He was known to
be a bit of an angry person,

704
00:54:09.039 --> 00:54:15.480
but like never violent, never running
in between cars screaming someone's gonna kill me,

705
00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:20.760
hearing voices that someone's gonna kill me. Right, So in the whole

706
00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:24.559
trial, Pablo was acting strange.
At one point he told the judge he

707
00:54:24.679 --> 00:54:30.679
was gonna cut his eyes off.
Wow, yeah, which is like it's

708
00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:35.480
not a good look, not something
you want to tell the Johne, No,

709
00:54:35.559 --> 00:54:37.599
not at all. Yeah, he
was acting strange the whole time.

710
00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:42.800
The times he had to testify,
he was talking so quietly and like incoherently

711
00:54:42.920 --> 00:54:46.599
that they had to like repeatedly tell
him like repeat yourself, like say that

712
00:54:46.719 --> 00:54:51.039
again, and they just took him
off the stand because he wasn't making any

713
00:54:51.079 --> 00:54:58.840
sense. I mean. So he
had psychiatric evaluations done and somehow I mean,

714
00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:00.920
and maybe I don't know, he
was determined to stand. He was

715
00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:06.440
fit to stand. Trial was determination
the determination of those evaluations. And that

716
00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:09.920
doesn't mean he doesn't have, you
know, psychiatric issues, which just means

717
00:55:09.920 --> 00:55:15.440
he's he can cent. Yeah,
No, that's true. That's true.

718
00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:20.119
And they said he was not insane. He was, though, diagnosed with

719
00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:23.639
antisocial personality disorder. Again, people
are diagnosed without the time and they don't

720
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:28.119
do things like this. Yeah,
but that was a diagnosis that he That's

721
00:55:28.239 --> 00:55:32.880
interesting, God, Mack, how
do you explain the auditory like you know,

722
00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:37.679
host nations that he was having.
Yeah, I don't know, yeah,

723
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:44.519
exactly. So they said they decided
at the time of the murder he

724
00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:50.119
understood what he did and that he
did not suffer a psychotic break. They

725
00:55:50.199 --> 00:55:54.400
believed that he did this because he
was jealous of Walter the friend and Pablo

726
00:55:54.519 --> 00:55:59.920
himself, you know, said he
gave no explanation he did. He said

727
00:55:59.920 --> 00:56:04.000
he didn't remember anything. That was
what he said. I mean, and

728
00:56:04.039 --> 00:56:07.920
that could be a lie, but
that could also be from being in a

729
00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:09.079
psychond of break and not knowing what
you're doing. So, I mean,

730
00:56:09.119 --> 00:56:16.840
I guess, like we'll never know
exactly. Psychiatrists evaluated him. Thirteen of

731
00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:22.559
them announced him sane at the time
of the murder. I mean, I

732
00:56:22.599 --> 00:56:24.440
guess if that's the Yeah, I
don't. I mean, like, I'm

733
00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:29.519
I was shocked when I got to
the end of this what happened, because

734
00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:32.599
I honestly thought they would have been, like he was not in the right

735
00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:38.599
state of mind because of how like
just everything that happened up to Yeah,

736
00:56:38.719 --> 00:56:43.559
the murder is just I don't want
to say insane, but like out of

737
00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:50.519
this like it just keeps on as
yeah yeah, yeah. And so he

738
00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:54.639
was found guilty and he is still
in prison, though he was allowed out

739
00:56:54.880 --> 00:57:00.639
of prison twice for three hours each
time. During one of those times,

740
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:06.679
he got married, Okay, so
took advantage of his time out, like

741
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:13.719
yeah, yeah, and that was
in twenty eighteen. And Maria's family they

742
00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:16.719
believe that he knew what he was
doing. They blame obviously, they blame

743
00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:22.599
him for all of this. They
also feel like his outings and his marriage

744
00:57:22.679 --> 00:57:27.159
are like an insult to them and
like Pablo is just laughing at them.

745
00:57:27.480 --> 00:57:30.760
It's what they have said, which
I'm sure can feel that way, Yeah,

746
00:57:30.199 --> 00:57:35.639
because you know their daughter is not
with them anymore. But yeah,

747
00:57:35.880 --> 00:57:40.599
that that is the case of And
when you look this up, it shows

748
00:57:40.639 --> 00:57:46.079
up as Pablo e Loco I mean, which I mean, that's just what

749
00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:50.719
the case was called, I guess, but like, wow, yeah,

750
00:57:51.199 --> 00:57:53.239
I'd never heard of it. I
just I wish that he would have been

751
00:57:53.239 --> 00:57:57.119
held when he was asking for it, because I feel like it could have

752
00:57:57.119 --> 00:57:59.719
been prevented. Yeah. Yeah,
And I don't want to sound like I'm

753
00:57:59.719 --> 00:58:01.840
defent him too much, but I
mean, it's it seems like there was

754
00:58:01.880 --> 00:58:07.519
a lot that could have been done
to prevent this. Yeah. I also

755
00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:10.159
feel like while he was going through
a mental break, because I no matter

756
00:58:10.199 --> 00:58:14.280
what, I feel like, people
don't people in their right mind are not

757
00:58:14.280 --> 00:58:19.199
going to do this period. Yeah. I also feel like like there was

758
00:58:19.239 --> 00:58:22.280
a moment of clarity when he knew
he was like derailing, and nobody took

759
00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:28.599
him seriously Ryan, and he was
asking especially the medical professionals or whoever evaluated

760
00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:31.119
him. Yeah. Yeah, I
think it's a hard thing because I feel

761
00:58:31.119 --> 00:58:37.519
like people want to fit in like
mental health issues and psychiatric issues and like

762
00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:44.239
mental breakdowns into this like black or
white situation where you either were saying at

763
00:58:44.239 --> 00:58:47.960
that time or not for the purpose
of you know, standing trial and whatever,

764
00:58:49.239 --> 00:58:52.480
you know, finding someone guilty and
whatnot, and like those are all

765
00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:58.440
legal definitions that do not necessarily line
up with what actually happens to someone when

766
00:58:58.480 --> 00:59:01.559
they're experiencing a mental health breakdown or
whatever, you know, mental health issue

767
00:59:01.559 --> 00:59:06.039
they're having. I mean, just
hearing all of it, it's very clear

768
00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:08.920
that he needed help, and he
was asking for help, and he didn't

769
00:59:08.960 --> 00:59:12.000
get the help that he needed.
And of course, a lot to say

770
00:59:12.039 --> 00:59:16.920
that people who are having that have
mental breakdowns or have severe mental health illnesses

771
00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:22.840
harm other people. Like we know
that's not the norm either, but I

772
00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:27.559
mean, I think this could have
been prevented. And a lot of times

773
00:59:27.639 --> 00:59:31.880
when something so severe like that happens, obviously people want to find somebody,

774
00:59:31.960 --> 00:59:36.360
you know, the legal system is
created it right, Yeah, you want

775
00:59:36.400 --> 00:59:37.920
to find someone to blame and you
want to say, you know, dyne

776
00:59:38.039 --> 00:59:42.320
what they're doing, and you know
all that, and it just it doesn't

777
00:59:42.320 --> 00:59:49.039
line up right, like the mental
health crisis and the you know need need

778
00:59:49.039 --> 00:59:55.400
to find someone guilty. Yeah.
I found this article on the long Reads

779
00:59:55.679 --> 01:00:00.000
somereddit from I think it was like
the New York Times about postpartum depression and

780
01:00:00.280 --> 01:00:05.360
like the severe severe cases of postpartum
depression. And they talked about I don't

781
01:00:05.360 --> 01:00:07.880
remember how old article was, so
I can't I don't remember if any of

782
01:00:07.920 --> 01:00:13.800
its recent or not. But they
talked about a mom who killed her baby

783
01:00:13.960 --> 01:00:17.639
because she was suffering from postprium depression. But the article is describing how like

784
01:00:17.679 --> 01:00:22.599
when someone is experiencing a mental health
breakdown, like people think it's like a

785
01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:27.679
full blown breakdown, but they have
moments of it's like clarity, a webbing,

786
01:00:27.880 --> 01:00:30.679
yeah, of clarity. So there's
also episodes too, Yeah, like

787
01:00:30.760 --> 01:00:37.559
people go through episodes like it's not
always their existence isn't always there. So

788
01:00:37.599 --> 01:00:42.440
they found her saying at the time
of what she did because they're saying,

789
01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:45.840
oh, she knew to do it
when her husband was gone. So they

790
01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:51.800
used that to say she was sane
and knew what she was doing, but

791
01:00:51.840 --> 01:00:54.199
like it could have been like she
just automatically knew the times he wasn't there,

792
01:00:54.320 --> 01:00:59.320
because I'm assuming she was a stay
at home mom and he was working,

793
01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:04.400
and so everything I said I just
repeated from the article. I'm not

794
01:01:04.559 --> 01:01:09.599
that smart. I just read it
yesterday. I was fresh on my mind.

795
01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:15.199
I thought it was all you so
no, but tell me, why,

796
01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:17.760
tell me why I was going to
bring up Andrea yay? Oh yeah,

797
01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:22.199
they talk about her in that article. Yeah, because it just obviously

798
01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:28.320
he's not a woman going through postmartum
depression and a psychotic breaks. But it's

799
01:01:28.360 --> 01:01:32.199
clearly some kind of mental breakdown.
Like everything all of his actions, like

800
01:01:32.239 --> 01:01:38.320
you said, leading up to that's
the murder. Like that's someone you know.

801
01:01:38.639 --> 01:01:44.639
It's just hard for me to believe
that he made a plan to the

802
01:01:44.679 --> 01:01:46.519
woman. He got on stage,
he was going to start yelling at everyone,

803
01:01:46.760 --> 01:01:51.000
he was, he planned to run
two hours. He wasn't even mad

804
01:01:51.039 --> 01:01:52.519
at her at that point. He
was yelling about somebody else, right,

805
01:01:52.679 --> 01:01:58.239
and then yeah, the running between
the cars that he read somebody thinking somebody

806
01:01:58.360 --> 01:02:00.800
was like, that's delusion, that's
probably like this is a breakdown, and

807
01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:06.400
this is someone that needed help,
and you know, someone died because he

808
01:02:06.440 --> 01:02:09.800
didn't get the help that he needed. Yes, yeah, yeah, it's

809
01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:14.000
just yeah, I was shocked in
so many cases that I just didn't know

810
01:02:14.000 --> 01:02:22.159
anything about. Okay, well this
brings us to the end of the episode.

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Hopefully you made it through that horrifying, horrifying case. And yeah,

812
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does do either of you have spooky
recommendations? Okay, so my spooky recommendation

813
01:02:32.639 --> 01:02:37.559
is this book I just finished hours
ago called Oh I sent it to you

814
01:02:37.599 --> 01:02:40.719
guys Mons Trilion. Oh why did
I think it was Monso? No,

815
01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:50.280
it's too because that's the nickname of
the little Monster thing. So it's about

816
01:02:50.320 --> 01:02:58.679
a couple whose child dies and then
the mom and her grief cuts a piece

817
01:02:58.719 --> 01:03:02.519
of his lungout because he only had
he was born with one lung and they

818
01:03:02.559 --> 01:03:07.559
knew the doctors told them that he
was going to live along because of the

819
01:03:07.599 --> 01:03:10.599
one lung, and he lived on
tony eleven. So then he died and

820
01:03:10.639 --> 01:03:15.480
then the mom cuts a piece of
his lungout like to keep, and then

821
01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:20.760
she goes back to her hometown because
the couple they can't they they don't make

822
01:03:20.800 --> 01:03:22.199
it. Yeah, they don't like, you know, get through the griefs

823
01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:27.039
together, like they can't, you
know. So she leaves and then the

824
01:03:27.079 --> 01:03:30.199
housekeeper of her mom at her mom's
house tells her this like folklore, like

825
01:03:30.320 --> 01:03:37.840
myth legend of from her bueblo,
that her cousin or someone that she knew,

826
01:03:38.920 --> 01:03:45.719
there was this girl that was like
well loved and beautiful and and she

827
01:03:45.880 --> 01:03:49.440
died right and then the cousin was
jealous of her, and she cut her

828
01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:52.920
heart out after the girl died and
was buried, and then started feeding the

829
01:03:53.079 --> 01:03:58.239
heart and watering it whatever, feeding
it, and then the heart grew into

830
01:03:58.320 --> 01:04:02.239
this handsome man who became cousin's husband, and then they had a child together.

831
01:04:02.360 --> 01:04:05.559
But then the town people they were
like, that was not your heart

832
01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:11.599
to keep whatever. They kill the
cousin and the the family whatever. So

833
01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:16.119
that was the myth that she tells
her the story. So then the mom

834
01:04:16.199 --> 01:04:21.239
starts feeding the lung and it grows
into this little monster and they nickname it

835
01:04:21.360 --> 01:04:27.000
Monsterlio. So then it's like it's
I would say it's horror adjacent. It's

836
01:04:27.039 --> 01:04:30.039
not straight up horror. It's more
like gory because it's a monster that eats

837
01:04:30.079 --> 01:04:38.920
you know our CARDINIV Cardiver carnivorous monster. But it's so it's totally in a

838
01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:42.920
point of view, like for different
point of views. The mom, the

839
01:04:43.079 --> 01:04:47.440
dad, their best friend, and
then the monster himself wants to and who

840
01:04:47.519 --> 01:04:50.880
they call him, and I don't
know. I mean, it's about grief,

841
01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:57.679
but it's also about there's some weird
parts, like after the mom's point

842
01:04:57.719 --> 01:05:02.239
of view, it's the best friend
and and they talk about and when I

843
01:05:02.280 --> 01:05:06.079
was leading reading reviews of people they
didn't like that they talked about like the

844
01:05:06.599 --> 01:05:14.239
friends like Kinks, I guess.
And then they also get into like the

845
01:05:14.280 --> 01:05:19.679
sex lives of the dad and then
the little monster thing that into a human.

846
01:05:19.800 --> 01:05:26.320
He goes into a human human.
So I don't know. I liked

847
01:05:26.360 --> 01:05:30.639
it abstract. Yeah, so that
sounds like it's not straight up horror.

848
01:05:30.920 --> 01:05:33.119
People are calling it literary. I
don't know what that means because I'm you

849
01:05:33.159 --> 01:05:42.079
know, I don't know, I
don't remember that genre. It was interesting,

850
01:05:42.199 --> 01:05:45.400
it was interesting. I don't know
if I reread it, but I

851
01:05:45.039 --> 01:05:48.199
liked it. It was pretty sure. It was a quick read unless I

852
01:05:48.239 --> 01:05:50.400
just have a lot of time to
read because I've been reading at work and

853
01:05:50.400 --> 01:05:54.559
then I had that appointment that was
far today. Well, you haven't been

854
01:05:54.559 --> 01:05:57.239
writing your ship. You're right,
that's what I've been doing a lot of

855
01:05:57.280 --> 01:06:00.360
time. I haven't even started my
next note, so right, what the

856
01:06:00.400 --> 01:06:04.039
hell I should have said that?
So, yeah, I don't know.

857
01:06:05.039 --> 01:06:09.519
I recommend it. It was interesting, it was good. Okay, characters

858
01:06:09.519 --> 01:06:13.000
are queer too, Like, if
you're into that, you know it's good

859
01:06:13.000 --> 01:06:17.960
to read about other queer queer representations. Yeah, that's cool, Okay,

860
01:06:18.079 --> 01:06:20.599
Okay, Well, I don't have
any speaking recommendations. I'm so watching the

861
01:06:20.679 --> 01:06:25.559
Grassi when I have in the background
of all my editing, because I have

862
01:06:25.599 --> 01:06:28.119
too much work right now, I've
taken too many gigs, you can say.

863
01:06:29.159 --> 01:06:32.320
And in my little free time that
I laid down right, girl Boss

864
01:06:32.360 --> 01:06:38.639
here, girl Boss, girl Boss, yes, girl Boss, girl Boss

865
01:06:39.280 --> 01:06:45.440
to Yeah. And then when I
do have like thirty twenty minutes of free

866
01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:46.760
time, when I lay down with
my children, I play Starty Valley.

867
01:06:46.840 --> 01:06:49.960
So that's all I've been doing.
I haven't been watching anything. MJ.

868
01:06:50.119 --> 01:06:57.039
Do you have any oh my usual
what's it called? Yes, I was

869
01:06:57.079 --> 01:07:00.599
trying to see if I can say
it before MJ House the new season.

870
01:07:01.440 --> 01:07:05.440
It's pretty good. But it's like
I feel, it feels if it does

871
01:07:05.480 --> 01:07:11.679
feel sometimes a little bit repetitive.
But that's okay, because I oftentimes need

872
01:07:11.719 --> 01:07:15.760
to watch an episode twice to even
like absorb the information. I can see

873
01:07:15.760 --> 01:07:18.880
that. Yeah, okay, Before
we go, I do want to remind

874
01:07:18.880 --> 01:07:24.840
people that Carmen and I are going
to be at the Paranormal Podcast and True

875
01:07:24.840 --> 01:07:30.800
Crime Festival in Denver July twelfth through
July fourteenth. Get your tickets. Apparently

876
01:07:30.880 --> 01:07:34.199
we have a code you can use
code a Spooky fifteen for fifteen percent off.

877
01:07:34.519 --> 01:07:39.280
I didn't know that, I just
learned, So use that code when

878
01:07:39.280 --> 01:07:42.360
you get your tickets. We'll be
there. I'll have some stickers, maybe

879
01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:45.320
I'll have more things. I'm not
sure, maybe not. I will have

880
01:07:45.880 --> 01:07:47.719
a mic and there. If you
want to tell us your spooky story,

881
01:07:48.639 --> 01:07:54.559
that'll be there. So yeah,
hope to see Spooky's there. Don't be

882
01:07:54.639 --> 01:07:57.880
shy, come say hi. Other
than that, I guess that's it.

883
01:07:58.519 --> 01:08:00.800
I can't even remember the stories I'm
sure today. Don't be a chi mosa.

884
01:08:01.000 --> 01:08:04.840
You're gonna turn into a sneak in
a fountain or something. Yes,

885
01:08:05.000 --> 01:08:10.199
yes, thank you, and say
spooky. We'll catch everyone next time.

886
01:08:10.440 --> 01:08:18.079
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901
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has a spooky in old English letters. There's also a baseball hat in the

902
01:09:25.359 --> 01:09:28.079
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903
01:09:28.079 --> 01:09:30.399
the summers. They're both awesome hats. And there's other things in there,

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908
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And yeah, we love every single
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