Legends From Haiti and the Dominican Republic

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This is Christina and welcome to a
Spooky Tales. This next story is from

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the Sempting Scary podcast, read by
host Blair Bathory. Something Scary shares ghost

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stories, folklore, and other spooky
tales from around the world every Tuesday.

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You can also find them on YouTube, where they do a weekly animated scary

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video. We're so glad they shared
a story with us today, hope you

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enjoy. Some of us are saddened
by family members passing on and leaving us

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feeling very lonely, but others feel
that they departed are always by their side,

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like in this story inspired by Brooklyn. I remember vividly the first time

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I encountered the paranormal. That memory
seemed to have seeped into my bones.

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I must have been around four or
five years old, nestled in my bed,

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the soft glow of my elephant nightlight
casting shadows on the walls. Suddenly

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I awoke to a sight that would
forever haunt my dreams. There looming over

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me was a man. His presence
sent shivers down my spine. His figure

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was obscured by the dim light.
But what frightened me the most was the

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gaping wound across his throat and the
blue and purple bruised flesh surrounding it.

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Frozen with fear, all I could
manage was a scream, fleeting for him

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to leave me, be despare me
from whatever harm he planned for me.

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Please, I cried out, my
voice trembling with terror. Yet despite my

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protest, there he stood, as
if desperate to show me the horrors that

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he had endured. Thankfully, my
parents rushed to my room. Their comforting

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presence seemed to make him disappear.
But even as they tried to soothe me,

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I couldn't shake the image of the
man from my mind. Desperate to

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call me and get back to sleep, my parents brought me into their room

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for the night, hoping that the
safety of their bed would chase away the

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nightmares that haunted me. Yet try
as I might, I couldn't escape the

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memory of that man standing over my
bed. In the days that followed,

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I found myself plagued by the memory
of the encounter, Unable to focus on

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anything else. My thoughts wandered,
consumed by the man with the slit throat.

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Concern for my well being, my
parents sought help, and soon I

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found myself sitting in the office of
a counselor grappling with the demons that lurked

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within my subconscious He was the only
thing I would draw when they gave me

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a pad in crayons. No amount
of therapy could erase the memory of that

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night. The image of the man
burned into my mind like a scar upon

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my soul. But all the adults
around me just wanted to forget, or

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at least pretend like I was.
Okay. It was a day like any

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other. When I was gathering my
toys for a bath. I passed by

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my mother's room, only to be
stopped in my tracks by the sight of

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a woman sitting on her bed.
She was ethereal, sitting in a bright

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circle of light. Yet there was
a warmth to her presence that eased the

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fear that clinched at my heart.
As I stood there, transfixed by her

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gaze, I could feel her longing
for connection, her silent plea for comfort.

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Without hesitation, I announced her presence
to my mother, played it off

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as if it was my imagination.
She asked me what the lady was doing,

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and I said that she wanted a
hug. Then I described her in

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great detail, her long flower dress, her cropped hair and her tortoise shell

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glasses with a red jim heart on
the side. My mother's face dropped.

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My mother stood there for a moment
and told me that I should hug that

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woman, and so, with trembling
hands, I reached out to the figure

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before me, wrapping her in a
tender embrace that seemed to bridge the gap

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between the living and the dead.
In that moment, I felt a sense

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of peace wash over me, as
though I had finally found my purpose in

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this strange and mysterious world. But
it wasn't until my mother pulled out an

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old photo album that the truth of
the matter was revealed. For there,

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amongst the faded photographs and cherish memories
was a picture of the woman I had

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seen, my grandmother, my mother's
mother, who had passed away long before

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I was born. With that revelation, my mother's disbelief turned to acceptance,

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her eyes opened to the possibility that
there were forces to play beyond our understanding,

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and so instead of sending me to
the counselor, she went to the

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Internet in search of someone who could
help guide me on the newfound path.

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Together, she showed me how to
open myself up to encounters with the supernatural.

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With each visit, I found myself
growing stronger, my connection to the

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spirit world deepening with every passing day. It wasn't long before we unearthed the

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dark history of our own home.
The the original owner, it seemed,

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had met a gruesome end at the
hands of his own wife. She had

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discovered he had been unfaithful, and
took to slitting his throat while he bent

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over pulling laundry from the dryer in
the basement. I stood in the basement

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where his life had been snuffed out. In an instant, I couldn't help

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but feel a sense of empathy for
the tortured soul that lingered there. In

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his death, he had found a
voice, a chance to tell his story

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to someone who would listen to me. And so that is what I do

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now. I listen. I listened
to the stories of the dead, their

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voices echoing in the recesses of my
mind, their tales waiting to be told.

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I am not just a witness to
the supernatural. I am a conduit,

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a bridge between the worlds of the
living and the dead. And though

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the path ahead may be fraught with
peril and uncertainty, I walk it with

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a sense of purpose, knowing that
I am not alone. For in the

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darkness that surrounds me, I find
solace in the knowledge that the spirits of

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the departed are always by my side, guiding me on my journey into the

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unknown. Are you someone who has
the gift who have been able to contact

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the other side? Has it been
a positive experience or did something go terribly

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wrong? Tell us your haunting stories
by sending us an email at something Scary

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at snarled dot com. Hi,
everyone, this is Christina, and this

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is MJ and Carmen, Yes,
and MJ's bag and now on the three

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of us. MJ, how does
it feel to be bad? We missed

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you? We all missed you.
It feels strange but I miss it too.

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Weird but good? Yeah, weird
but good. Well, today we're

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talking about stories from are not stories
legends? I guess legends from the dominemic

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Dominican I'm putting that. I'm sorry, Okay, go on the Dominican Republic.

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Yeah, I'm going to resay that
because that's all getting cut. Okay,

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So we can't even get myself together. Okay, we're talking about legends

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from the Dominican Republic. And Haiti. But before we get to all of

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that, Carmen, you have our
listener's story. I do. Yeah.

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If anyone else wants to send it
in a listener story, you can email

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a spookyos at gmail dot com.
You can send it via d M on

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any of the socials, though Instagram
is probably the easiest one, and you

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can call it a spooky hotline.
That's another option. So yeah, there's

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a bunch of ways you can.
You can submit it on discord. I

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forgot about that. I forgot it
was a thing. I haven't even looked

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at it, and so did I'm
Jay. Yeah, I haven't been on

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this board in like forever. She
joined well and said I'm here and then

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didn't open it again. Yeah.
Yeah, So those are all options,

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Like I'll check one of them for
sure, no doubt about that. No,

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no listener stories. We'll get there. They're there. I see them

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when they come in. You know, do I forget to which ones I've

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already read? Maybe yes? But
yeah, yeah, Carmen, do you

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want to read this listener story?
Yeah? All right. So this is

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from Batrees aka Trelera dash Aventuras.
So she says, I have always been

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a big fan of the paranormal and
I love to listen and watch anything that

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has to do with the paranormal.
In my extra free time, I love

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to go ghost hunting, which,
by the way, I would really love

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to see you ladies go on a
ghost investigation. That's a negative dog.

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It's a no for me of one
of you is gonna go with me one

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day going by yourself. I actually
did just go with the ladies from the

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P ANDW Hunts and Homicide I saw
went to court Townsend. Yeah, there's

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gonna be probably a couple of episodes
over on their feet and a couple of

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weeks I think is when they're gonna
come out. But we're going to talk

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about our experiences. But yeah,
we we did try to go go hunting.

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My little spirit box did not arrive
for me in time, so we

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used some random apps on phones,
so it's probably not legit. I did

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have an EMF reader with me though, so yeah, more on that later.

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Sorry, go on with the listeners. Sorry, Okay, Well you

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went ghost hunting, so now me
and MJ don't have to go with you.

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Well, there's more places to go. The one place I want to

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go is what is it called the
house over there by Santa Clara. Oh

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jeez, my brain is uh the
Winchester. Oh, I went, but

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I didn't like ghost hunting. I
just did it tour. Was it nice?

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At least it was cool? Yeah? I love seeing like the old

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house. My friend that sees things
felt weird in the house and house sometimes

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some people feel like weird, like
physical symptoms like a stomach ache or like

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a headache, nausea. Yeah,
I think she felt nauseous and she had

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like a headache. So take timel
and all before you go. I'll be

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fine. I went, Now it
was fine. Does title no work for

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paranormal headaches? Hm? So you
should investigate that questions thanks to ponder.

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What about the other one, the
national one dramaline or dermaline or whatever it's

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called dramamine? Oh yeah, yeah, so it was cool. You should

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go wait for me to visit and
we'll all go and we could do that

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too. Yeah. Yeah, I
doesn't. Yeah, if I go visit

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Ukarmon because mommy is not in La
anymore. Yeah, so then I'm going

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to be We're all gonna be in
the same area sort of. So yeah,

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I'll be cool to go during Halloween
November. I went in October,

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like before Halloween. What's the other
haunted place that we have here around in

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the valley nights? Very supposedly?
Yeah, yeah, that one my friends

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went when long ago. You know
them, Christina, Our same friends that

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we have, well, you know
them too. I'm dying. Oh yeah,

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I forgot about that. The people
that we know, the people we

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all know. Yes, they went
hell late once and but I don't think

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they saw anything. But you know
how, you're just like hyping each other

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up because you're scared. That's just
all they did. Yeah, but I

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don't think they saw anything. Mckenry
mentioned too. Supposedly I heard that.

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I've been there too. I've never
been there from the outside. Yeah,

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me too. Did you well know
you wouldn't see anything? Yeah, you

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know, I didn't see anything.
Okay, well, I guess we'll discuss

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our paranoral feature of Paranormal Adventures another
time so we can read the listeners story.

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Okay, back to the story.
I never started, but one night

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I was needing a fresh new paranormal
podcast. Oh no, this is not

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the story. This is just how
she found the podcast. So she was

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needing a fresh new paranormal podcast to
listen to and click the search button on

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iHeartRadio and the Spooky Tals popped up, and she remembers thinking, as Spooky

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tells, damn, that's a cool
name. Thank you. We worked really

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hard on it. And then she
discovered you were a Mexican and that was

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a bonus Mexican and then from then
she was hooked from the first episode.

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So she says thank you for keeping
her night shift as spooky. Night shifts

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are already spooky. They are,
Okay, here's the ghost story. You

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don't go back to first personnel.
So my job requires me to go in

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and out of the rail yards.
I have to say that the rail yards

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are a dangerous place to be in
because you must be mindful of the moving

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trains. There are no lights or
gates that warn you of a train moving,

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so they have a rail yard personnel
stand in front of certain areas of

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the tracks as a safety measure.
And so I feel like a rail is

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one of those words they say really
weird, like rule and endure. It's

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like that for me, I didn't
even notice. I don't know. I

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felt like I don't even know anything. Okay, now I'm focused on the

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words when you say it specifically,
go on Okay. Last year, in

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November, I received a text from
my brother, who is a truck driver,

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that a driver was struck and killed
by a train within the rail yard.

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I quickly googled it, and sure
enough, it was all over the

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news. I remember feeling so sad
and sneaking of his family and how they

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were feeling. That night, I
went to work hoping that they wouldn't dispatch

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me to that raal yard because I
was still nervous about what had happened.

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Two weeks later, I was dispatched
to take a load out of that railyard,

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and I remember searching for the trailer
on the raillyard's app and instantly becoming

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nervous when I saw where it was
located. The trailer was located in the

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same area where the truck driver had
passed away. Oh geez. So I

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went in, hooked up the trailer, and quickly left. I want to

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add that I was quickly hooking up
the trailer, I was paying my respects

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to the driver and just thinking about
the way he died. Fast forward to

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January twenty twenty four and I get
dispatched to that same rail yard again,

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I searched for the trailer on the
raillyard's app and again it is located in

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the same area where the accident happened. I entered that specific area and saw

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my trailer. I had to do
some extra work to get the trailer out

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of the parking spot, and an
hour later, I'm finally making my way

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out of that area to towards the
exit. At this time, I went

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on the phone with my husband and
I began feeling so emotional and started telling

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him that out of the entire railyard, this was the worst area that a

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driver could have passed away in and
how I felt so sad for him and

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his family. I outgated from the
railyard and on my way to the customer,

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I decided to stop at a truck
stop. I go in, use

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the restroom, and come back out. As I'm walking towards the truck,

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I started getting the trailer and choke
in my eyes to ensure everything is still

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the way it's supposed to be.
As I panned back to the truck,

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I saw a white, ghostly apparition
of a puppy, A puppy puffy,

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A ghost puppy, Yes, a
spirit puppy okay looking out the passenger side

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window. It was wagging its tail
excitedly and pawing at the window. How

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cute. Oh my god, this
is adorable. I'm getting chills all over

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again thinking about it. The puppy
had long ears and like a beagle.

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I jumped back in shock and it
disappeared. My first thought was, oh,

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man, I'm going crazy or I'm
sleep deprived. I continued doing my

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inspection check around the trailer and jumped
back into the truck. I didn't feel

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scared. I just kind of sat
there looking at the passenger seat, trying

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to figure out if I had really
seen what I had seen. I started

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the truck and start pulling off,
and I start smelling a very faint smell

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of a men's cologne. I remember
sniffing and trying to figure out where the

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colonne smell was coming from. The
rest of the night, I continued to

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smell a faint colonne smell in the
truck. For the next few days.

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I kept trying to figure out if
I had really seen that puppy, and

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if I did, why did I
see it. Fast forward to Friday of

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that same week. I went over
to my brother's house so my sister in

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law could do my nails. I
shared the story of what had happened to

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me earlier that week, and she
said, oh, that reminds me of

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a story. She shared that many
years ago, her brother had a puppy

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that looked just like Shiloh, you
know that famous dog, Yes, and

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he had decided to sell it to
a family. Shortly after he sold it,

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the family called him to say that
the puppy had ran onto the tracks

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and was struck and killed by a
train. I grabbed my phone and searched

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for pictures of Shiloh, and to
my amazement, it looked exactly like the

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puppy I saw in the window,
but older. I immediately got the chills

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because I realized, omg, it
was a truck driver's spirit with me.

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Sharing the story with my sister in
law connected the dots from me and answered

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my questions and doubts about what I
had seen. So yes, I strongly

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believed that truck driver was accompanying me
that night after I left the rail yard,

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which also explains why I smelled the
faint odor of Amn's cologne. I

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have to continue to go to that
raillyard, so maybe I'll have another story

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for you. Well, let us
know if you do. Yeah. And

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then she just said that she hopes
you enjoyed the story and that may give

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you full body escalafrios. Honestly you
didn't because it so cute. Oh my

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god. Yeah, or a cat, even some sort of cute animal.

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You know, I wouldn't mind being
haunted by Yeah, a dog or a

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cat. Yeah, that is adorable. I feel like the dog was like,

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I need to show myself to her
because she was very sad when she

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was here. Maybe yeah, and
maybe even though the overwhelming sadness that she

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started feeling was probably the guy who
had died there. Yeah. And so

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then the little Shiloh was like,
you know what, No, not in

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my watch. No one's going to
be sad here, not in my row

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yard. Oh that was so cute. We rarely get cute ghost stories,

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though, that was great. Yes. Oh, well, who wants to

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go first? M J? MEI
or you? You since it's your first

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episode? Okay, okay, you're
like, sure, I guess, I

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guess usually we h what's the called? It's always you? But I'll go

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first. I'm a little bit rested. I'm sorry, guys, we all

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forgive you the long. COVID is
still here, so you're gonna probably hear

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me clear my throat a lot.
Okay, Oh same though I've been sick.

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Yeah, like I got sick back
into summer and I still have a

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cough. That lingering cough with COVID
is insane. It is insane and it

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doesn't want to go away. So
I will say, like anahistamines do help.

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But anyways, okay, let's get
back to that. Sorry, yes,

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yes, okay. So this next
legend is the legend of Elbaca,

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and it's a legend from both the
Dominican Republican Haiti. I am unsure if

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it's a single entity or a group
of entities, as I also saw that

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they refer to them as los baca, so plural, but then some people

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think it's only one. I don't
know. So what is Elbaca spelled bacca,

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b a c a or b a
ka. It's considered to be a

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shape shifting demon. It's often portrayed
as being Satan himself. While it's said

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to be able to shape shift into
any animal, it's usually seen as a

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dog or bull. This demon is
conjured for wealth success and other desires,

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but at a very high price.
It is said to demand very big sacrifices

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in order to grant wealth and success. If its demands or not met,

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the pact can backfire, and depending
on the source the payment is a loved

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one or your very own soul.
There is a saying amongst the poor in

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the Dominican Republic that when a person
has progressed economically, they are protected by

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elbaca. In Haiti, elbaka is
used to protect a business and assets,

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and according to legend, a conjuror
must be a man and he has to

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offer a son or a relative within
the five years of makal success as you're

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the seventh son of Argentina. Oh
yeah yeah. And then like within five

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years of making the pact, the
person who they offered will begin to die

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and they will, in legend protect
that conjure and his wealth. If the

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conjured backs out or regrets doing the
pact, the person who they offered to

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elbaca will then have a very painful, very violent death as a result.

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So once the pact is made,
it's in motion. The person offered,

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the person offered as payment will die
anyways, Wow and sorry, did you

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say that you can only offer a
male relative or did I make that up

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in my head? No, it's
some say it's you can only offer a

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son or a other relative, but
like I think it's like, how how

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good of a sacrifice are you giving
me? Okay, top tier a son?

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Okay relative. I did say it
with earlier, but I'm fine with

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that. So one's going to leave
a review about how we hate men again

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one Sorry, I'm sorry, I
can't help it. It said in Haiti

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you have to buy a baka,
and the article on this doesn't go into

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detail on how you buy one.
So I'm assuming you go and pay someone

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to do it, like a witch
or something, or someone who practices a

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cult some kind of occultism. But
it's not said how you buy a bacca.

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So I was a little bit confused. Maybe someone from the region can

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tell me, like, do you
go to like a a witch doctor and

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buy like some kind of like spell
that they do for you, or is

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it buying as in you have to
offer payment like metaphorical? What is it?

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Why can't or both? So?
Yeah, okay, So it is

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said that the legend of the bacca
was used as a tool by landowners to

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bring fear to the people so they
wouldn't steal from them. The Lauri is

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believed to come from Africa and have
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Many of the articles give caution to
those who want to conjure up the

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baka, as sometimes it might just
take some livestock, but sometimes it might

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leave those who conjure it up in
ruins. Wow, that sounds like too

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risky. Like yeah, so like
even if you do it, if he

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doesn't like you, he's gonna be
like, mmm, I like you,

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You're a girl dead blocked delete And
so you said. Sometimes it's like a

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dog, right, Yeah, it's
either like it's supposed to have to shape

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shift. It's considered like a demonic
shape shifter, and it's supposed to shape

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shift either into any animal, but
mostly seen as a dog or a bull.

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And interesting, bulls are often like
seen as symbols of wealth and prosperity.

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Hm hm, So I thought that
was interesting, like the bull from

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Wall Street. Mm hmm, it's
actually in bacca. Oh oh, everybody

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in Wall Street has abaca. I
do have another story? Do you want

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me to like do this one or
after yours? Well, I'll do mine.

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Yeah, since minus also a shape
shifting, uh demonic thing. So

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the luguru and the spellion, I've
seen like all sorts of spellions. Sometimes

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it's l o u like ou,
and then I've seen two o's. I

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think it's because like it depends on
the English translation or if you're reading it

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in French. I think. I
think there's like a French I think.

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And then I also though, but
it sounds like it has like a French

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It does, actually, yeah,
because it's almost the same thing as the

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French word for it, which is
rugaroo. Oh. I have heard of

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this, Yeah, but I also
saw luga wu. So it might depend

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like on the accent, like because
you know, like there's so many accents

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in the area. Yeah, that's
true. And this is a legend from

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Haiti. So the luguru is part
of Haitian folklore and it originated from France,

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you know, hold on when they
have that. I think they have

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that in what's that one place over
there in the south in New Orleans.

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Yeah, that's where I heard it
from. Yeah, yeah, but I

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will not be talking about New Orleans, so it has a similar but different

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name still in that area. Oh, I think I could be wrong too.

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I think you are wrong because I
remember I think they covered it and

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that's why we drink. And I
remember she said lula. Oh my god,

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I was gonna say lularo, not
the legging, not the MLM.

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What was it called the garoo?
Yeah, yeah, I remember her saying

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that, or sorry, I remember
them saying that. So I don't know.

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It just sounds familiar and like kind
of vaguely. You know, it

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probably doesn't have all over the place, especially Arlen, that's yeah, they

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were colonizing everywhere. So yes,
so it originated from France and then mixed

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with African beliefs. And as we
talked about a long long time ago in

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our Zombies episode, which was like
eons ago, France was the reason that

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the Scholklers all mixed. Is because
France was responsible for the slave trade in

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the Caribbean and the French it was
terrible. I feel like they don't get

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enough hate. Yeah, thank you
for this specifically because obviously we all hate

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the United States for their involvement in
the slave trade. But I feel like

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everybody focuses in the United States and
nobody talks about France, but the French

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were important. Thirty thousand to forty
thousand enslaved Africans a year, which is

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more than double the number of Africans
traffic to North America. More than double.

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Wow, I've heard that figure before. Yeah, my family has always

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hated the French though, because they
tried to colonize or invade Mexico. Yes,

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always had hate. I've always said
the battle, they did it twice.

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Yeah, yeah, they did it
twice because and all that. That

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was the second French intervention in Mexico. That's what it's called. It was

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a long name for it. So
yeah, that was the second time they

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did that. They lost that battle, then they went on to win a

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little bit more and then it took
like another two years for Emperor Prince Guy

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died or whatever, Emperor Maximilian.
Yeah, the second I know too much

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about this, Sorry, I could
go on. I finished my notes on

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Tinkle, like, Oh, that's
why it's fresh in years. It's very

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fresh in my mind, and I
haven't got it out of my system.

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I haven't talked to anyone about it. Club. Yeah, well I'm here

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for it. Yeah. So yeah, we need to hate them a little

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more because it was terrible and their
treatment of the enslaved it was brutal,

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Like obviously it's bad already, but
it was so violent the conditions that these

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men and women went through, it
was atrocious. The average life expectancy for

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an enslaved person in Haiti was twenty
one years old. Wow, and wow,

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it was terrible. We had the
exact numbers of how many The reason

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they had to keep traffic in so
many Africans is because they were killing so

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many of them and their enslavement of
them. That's how bad it was.

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And uh and the alone that was
like one third of the entire Atlantic slave

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trade. That's how big these numbers
are. So yeah, that's why French

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and Haitian and Africa, or that's
why Haitian folklore is a mix of French

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and African beliefs, which we talked
way more in depth about in our zombie

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episode. If anyone wants to go
way back to listen to that, sorry,

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because we didn't know how to podcast
back then, not that we know

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how now, but it was worse
back then. We're a little bit better,

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Yeah, we're a little bit better. So yeah, even the name

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lou I was gonna say little real
to them I'm sorry even the name of

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leggings. They really are. They're
also fucking ugly, they really are.

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I still see something at Goodwill sometimes, yeah, probably better. I don't

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know, like like if the MLM
is still like functioning, like a I

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thought they closed down or something.
I have no idea, I don't know.

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That was another one. I never
liked them, and I remember people

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would go crazy, Oh, I
think over like the Disney prints or something

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like that. Always yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember seeing them first

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and I was like, oh,
those are a little quirky, but I

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didn't like, I think they were
cute. But then someone I knew would

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just wore them, like that's all
they wore. And then they every time

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I saw them they had new leggings, and I was like, okay,

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this is a bit much like the
first part I saw. I was like,

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oh, those are cute to them, just I don't know, it's

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a compliment, and like, not
that I thought they were cute. They

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didn't try to recruit you or didn't
no, I know. Actually they went

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on a long ass like rant about
not rants. Sorry, they went on

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a long spiel that's the word I
was looking for, spiel about how their

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friend sells the leggings and they're like
this much and you can get them online

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and she'll like ship them to you. And I was like, oh,

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like, I don't want them.
I was just telling you they were cute.

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They're cute for you. You,
yes, look at on you.

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I don think I can pull them
off leatic way of saying that, Yeah,

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that's what I said too, because
I'm very tolmatic. So anyway,

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these are not lularo's. This is
terrible. We're gonna keep thinking this,

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Okay. So even the word lugaroo
is similar to the French term for werewolf,

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which is brugaroo. I feel like
fucking scooby doo. That's why it

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was so funny. I could have
been in I was like, excuse me,

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that's the last time I'm saying the
French term for it, because I

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can't. Okay. So, but
what's different about this and other werewolf legends

406
00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:57.440
or like folklore is that this were
wolf is always a woman. Oh no,

407
00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:05.759
oh feminism, yes, for what
they called support woman in their good

408
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:13.960
in their bad or what do they
say, like it sounds familiar women in

409
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:21.319
their good deeds or misdeas or some
shit like that. Okay, and doing

410
00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:28.880
the full moon. Yeah, and
also also the full moon, so the

411
00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:36.720
lugaroo is not inherently evil. Some
say that a woman becomes a lugaroo because

412
00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:42.839
it's like an elder lady who displeas
a hoogan, which is a male priest

413
00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:45.279
in voodoo, so if she makes
him mad or something, he curses her

414
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:51.200
to become the lugaroo. Others say
that a woman is cursed by by a

415
00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:55.519
boco, which is a practitioner of
black magic in voodoo, so like an

416
00:32:55.519 --> 00:33:00.480
evil voodoo wizard, not wizard sorcerer, and then he's the one who has

417
00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:07.559
to curse an elderly woman to become
the lugaroo. Others believe that it's inherited,

418
00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:12.039
so if like this elderly woman,
or if a woman not even just

419
00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:15.200
elderly, although it said elderly a
lot, but yeah, if a woman

420
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:20.680
is a lugaroo, then it's passed
on through the lineage of like women,

421
00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:25.599
so then the next daughter will have
the curse as well, and the lugaroo

422
00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:31.640
can transform into this like half woman, half wolf creature or sometimes just all

423
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:37.119
wolf. Sometimes it's a dog or
a cat or a chicken or a snake.

424
00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:40.400
Wow. So yeah, it's not
always a wolf. It's also said

425
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:46.400
that they have this ability to shape
shift into a werewolf because they are possessed

426
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:51.559
by a demon. And so you're
gonna stay possessed by an owl like the

427
00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:54.480
meme? What mean there's a meme? Yeah, it's like someone here is

428
00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:59.839
possessed by an owl. Oh,
I'm behind on them and they say who

429
00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:06.240
and then you double take. Really, I haven't seen this. I'm gonna

430
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:09.159
need you to send it to me. And then yeah, both of us.

431
00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:12.800
Actually, Carmen, I need to
say I need to add you to

432
00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:19.440
our speaktas group chat. Oh also
named in the book club book. Oh

433
00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:23.800
yeah, I forget, we also
have that chat. Okay, So,

434
00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:30.760
like most shape shifting women's stories,
they are said to suck the blood of

435
00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:34.719
babies and young kids. I mean, how else you're going to keep their

436
00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:40.960
youth exactly? Yeah? Okay,
and so, oh perfect, I'm gonna

437
00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:44.320
take it. Should we look at
it? Right? Break? Right,

438
00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:49.719
let's look at this, boss.
I think someone in the office is possessed

439
00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:57.920
by someone in the office, because
that's by now yeah, turned, because

440
00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:06.719
oh my god, does that's pretty
good? I love it. Okay,

441
00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:15.199
So I'm glad you mentioned that okay, so back to the Lugu. Sorry

442
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:22.320
I can't get yeah luluo and out
of my head. This is terrible.

443
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:27.960
Okay. So the Lugaroo are said
to be able to fly either by turning

444
00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:30.880
into a bird or by taking off
their skin and turning into a ball of

445
00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:37.519
fire. That sounds familiar, does
it not? Right? Immediately I was

446
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:45.639
like, oh my god, let's
they moved. Although now I'm starting to

447
00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:52.480
realize this might be a common thing
everywhere. Yeah, like belief because another

448
00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:59.840
time you and I am J talked
about a legend from Dinaden to Bag,

449
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:05.519
Oh my god, to Bag to
trund Dad and Tobago. Because I was

450
00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:07.679
starting saying in Spanish and then I
couldn't say the second half. I was

451
00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:10.440
like, am I going to say
the second half in Spanish or English?

452
00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:19.599
That's Spanish people, right, But
there's the legend of the suku Ya or

453
00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:22.840
something like that there, and it's
like this thing that turns into a ball

454
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:27.679
of fire. So yeah, common
belief in a lot of places, I

455
00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:30.360
think. And I think it's also
like common in what is it called Eastern

456
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:35.599
Europe where the balls of fire with
the but I'm not sure if they think

457
00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:40.920
it's witches. But oh, the
boss of fire in like the forest m

458
00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:45.119
in eastern Europe. Yeah, and
then a Chandena has a different balls of

459
00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:49.119
fire. Oh, and I figured
out the quote that I was trying to

460
00:36:49.119 --> 00:37:04.360
say. We support women's rights and
wrongs, oh misdeeds, miss oh we

461
00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:07.079
god? Okay, that makes sense. Okay, yes we do. We

462
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:13.760
do support that. So here we
love the lugaroo. Yeah. So they

463
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:17.880
either turn their skin off, turn
their skins this is such a bad first

464
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:25.719
episode. Were coming back to here. They take their skin off, enter

465
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:30.519
into a qualifier and travel that way. There's other versions that say that before

466
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:35.840
they transformed they had to they have
to salute the four corners. And this

467
00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:38.360
is like a voodoo thing. I
think I could not find details on it

468
00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:43.960
other than it's like a thing that
is done, but I don't know what

469
00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:47.480
it entails. Unfortunately, I feel
like I've heard that, but in Wicca.

470
00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:52.199
I'm not entirely sure. I've heard
that somewhere too. Okay, okay,

471
00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:54.480
so it is it is a thing. I feel like I heard it

472
00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:58.320
in Wicca, though I could be
wrong. Don't come for me. I

473
00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:00.960
can't say where I heard it,
but it was someone at their nose and

474
00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:06.119
they can tell us thank you,
future prison, that's gonna tell us.

475
00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:12.519
So they say that if you stop
them from salutine, then they don't transform

476
00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:15.679
into a wolf. I don't know
what happens to them, though, I

477
00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:21.960
wonder. Also when they become an
animal, their eyes glow red. So

478
00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:25.280
that's why you know it is one, because it's a werewolf with glowing red

479
00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:29.559
eyes, or a chicken with red
eyes, or you know, whatever animal

480
00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:36.159
they transform into. And the lugaroo
is quite dangerous no matter how they became

481
00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:38.559
the lugaroo, if they were cursed, if they were born that way,

482
00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:44.679
because they're angry that they have to
be this thing, you know that shape

483
00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:50.599
shifts, and so they typically target
goats and other smaller animals. However,

484
00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:54.400
they do also, like I said
earlier, suck the blood of children and

485
00:38:54.519 --> 00:39:00.000
babies, and they were said to
abduct children by taking them back to their

486
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:01.679
layer or whatever. I don't know
where they live, or they'll just like

487
00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:06.880
kill them there and you know,
suck their blood. They don't usually attack

488
00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:12.119
adults, but it does happen.
And actually after the earthquake in Haiti,

489
00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:15.559
you know, like the terrible one
that happened in twenty ten, there was

490
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:24.079
several stories of Luguru sightings and there
were even people set up guards to guard

491
00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:30.480
the homeless shelters because of the alleged
Luguru sightings, people were scared and so

492
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:35.840
there was shifts of people looking out
and there was actually lynchings of people that

493
00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:39.920
were accused to be lugurus. And
sadly it's probably women because they are the

494
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:46.199
ones that become lugurus. So I
mean, as always, these stories usually

495
00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:52.840
do have like a darker real life
component to them, so that's very unfortunate.

496
00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:58.840
And I did find some true stories. So the following one is from

497
00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:04.400
Reddit, and I did not read
them beforehand, so again I'm sorry.

498
00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:07.920
If the same thing happens from the
Lichusa story, I will never live that

499
00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:16.280
down. So this is a Luguru
encounter from Reddit, submitted by user Butch

500
00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:21.639
cassidy Kid and it's nine years old. So a couple of years ago,

501
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:25.639
I spent some time in the Dominican
Republic, which borders Haiti. The Dominican

502
00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:30.079
Republic is a lush tropical paradise.
Most of Haiti is nothing like that,

503
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:38.440
really, Okay, some people have
strong feelings about Haiti and the dr and

504
00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:45.280
they have strong feelings towards each other. Yeah, they do so due to

505
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:50.639
decades of political bullshit. It's basically
a barren wasteland and now one of the

506
00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:55.559
poorest countries in the Western Hemisphere.
However, Haitian people have a spirituality that's

507
00:40:55.760 --> 00:41:00.880
unrivaled anywhere I've been. Because of
the situation, there are a lot of

508
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:05.440
people head east to the dr legally
or illegally. One of my roommates had

509
00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:08.719
one of the craziest, creepiest life
stories I've ever heard. I went there

510
00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:15.159
with him once and there's an over
overwhelming feeling of I don't even know how

511
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:19.480
to put it. Standing on a
roof and a slum with no electricity,

512
00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:23.800
listening to people singing in Creyole.
There's a mixture of French and various African

513
00:41:23.880 --> 00:41:30.480
language parteses from maybe three or four
different churches or ceremonies, watching fires burn

514
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:34.440
up on the mountains, no electricity. It's beautiful and eerie. He swears

515
00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:38.920
this is how it was when this
happened. So we'll call him Williamson.

516
00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:45.719
His mother was a Voodoo mambo,
which is one of the most practiced religions

517
00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:51.480
in Haiti and ingrained into their culture. His dad was a major drug dealer

518
00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:53.800
in his city who fucked off and
started a new family. When he was

519
00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:58.519
very young, he lived with his
mom in a slum on the outskirts of

520
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:05.159
the city. Because tree and therefore
charcoal is so hard to come by,

521
00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:10.639
people rob graves for the coffins themselves. His childhood memories include being sent to

522
00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:15.440
the cemetery to collect bones for his
mother's potions and powders. As a teenager,

523
00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:21.480
they'd go collect schools and drink barbon
cort rum out of them. Okay,

524
00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:24.840
I don't if I believe that,
me neither. What the fuck?

525
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:32.320
Sorry, let's suspend our disbelief,
hold judgment until the end. Yeah,

526
00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:36.960
yeah, that too. Okay.
So when he was about eight or nine,

527
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:39.800
it was well known in his slum
not to wander around at night because

528
00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:47.199
of the loogaroos. It's a Creole
variation of the loop garou French for werewolf.

529
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:51.519
See some places said it was loop
garou and other places said it was

530
00:42:51.519 --> 00:43:00.239
a boogaroo. Okay. So they
believe in shaf shutters, those who turned

531
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:04.559
into animals and lure children into the
night for God knows what to suck their

532
00:43:04.599 --> 00:43:08.599
blood, to suck their blood the
fuck so being fucking weird. Okay,

533
00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:15.599
so read a person from nine fucking
years ago. They used animal noises,

534
00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:20.440
the sound of laughing or playing kids, or even a familiar voice calling you

535
00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:25.239
that creepy when that is so creepy, anything that mimics something else that you

536
00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:29.000
know, it's like somebody you know
or your own boy. Yeah that's creepy,

537
00:43:29.119 --> 00:43:32.519
Yeah, horrifying. One night he
heard oinking coming from the street.

538
00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:37.320
He thought it was strange because pigs
weren't common where he lives, and none

539
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:43.559
of his neighbors owned them. Superstitious
Williamson didn't go outside. The next night,

540
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:45.760
he heard the same thing, but
louder again. He stayed in his

541
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:51.480
little concrete house. The night after
that, he heard the grunting and oinking

542
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:57.400
again, this time much closer,
too close in the room. He scanned

543
00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:00.880
the room from his bed and didn't
see anything. Then he looked up in

544
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:07.199
the top corner in his almost pitch
dark bedroom, he saw eyes. Terrified,

545
00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:12.280
he hid under his sheet and willed
it away, expecting not to wake

546
00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:15.400
up in the same bed, if
at all. When he woke up,

547
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:21.079
the sheet was covered in blood that
wasn't his. Apparently no one was really

548
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:24.079
shocked by it. His mother held
a ceremony and he says they put something

549
00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:29.159
into the back of his neck to
protect him. Two years later, his

550
00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:31.719
mother was murdered by a man in
their slum. Everyone knows who it was,

551
00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:35.880
but the justice system is so corrupt
there that nothing came of it.

552
00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:44.679
And he moved to the Dominican Republic
himself illegally. Just out him. Yeah,

553
00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:49.440
right, fucking snitching on Williamson,
bitch. He's twenty two now and

554
00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:52.199
living and working in Canada. Most
of his friends are still struggling. His

555
00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:57.159
wares has happened, and whatever they
put in his neck is the reason for

556
00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:00.559
his semi charmed life. Most of
his friends are still stuck in Haiti or

557
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:06.400
the dr either being hustlers or doing
nothing or in jail. When he was

558
00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:09.360
twenty, he went back to Haiti
and killed the guy who murdered his mom,

559
00:45:09.880 --> 00:45:14.639
and don't blame him. The earthquake
happened around the same time, and

560
00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:19.559
with everything in chaos, he managed
to escape Scott free. A few months

561
00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:22.719
later, he married a friend of
mine and moved to Canada. I asked

562
00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:24.760
him what was in his neck.
He said he wasn't sure, but he

563
00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:29.800
suspected it was one of the bones
he collected from the graveyard or cemetery.

564
00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:34.760
Haitians are mostly amazing people, but
that's fucking crazy. And if you ask

565
00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:39.119
him, and if you ask him, true, who ends a sentence like

566
00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:43.559
that? A story like this is
true? No, they just wrote and

567
00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:49.760
if you ask him, comma true
distinct that's what he meant, right,

568
00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:55.239
Okay, I don't know. Yeah, it's just weird. We me Yeah.

569
00:45:55.320 --> 00:46:00.599
And although it's not uncommon for a
shape shifter or a man to be

570
00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:05.840
a lugaru like it's it happens a
little bit. I'm wondering what if what

571
00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:13.480
if the man who murdered his mom
was the lugarou that he heard in his

572
00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:17.679
room? That would make sense.
Maybe I don't know, I don't know.

573
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:22.280
I don't know, or maybe it
was just some other luguru. I

574
00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:28.280
don't know. I hate the way
they wrote the story, but yeah,

575
00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:34.360
I just want to emphasize that no
human is illegal, not according to this

576
00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:37.679
reditor. Yeah. Yeah, and
yeah, I mean immigration from Haiti to

577
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:44.760
the Dominican Republic is wild right now
and it always has been. They're deporting

578
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:49.679
a bunch of Haitians back into Haiti
as we speak Haiti. Isn't turmoil right

579
00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:54.599
now? Read about it if you
haven't. There's an excellent episode of Elo

580
00:46:54.880 --> 00:47:00.000
that just came out that talks about
the situation there. So yeah, yeah,

581
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:06.480
anyway, I have another story that
maybe is a little better. This

582
00:47:06.559 --> 00:47:08.400
one is from someone's grandma, from
a blog that I found. It has

583
00:47:08.440 --> 00:47:12.679
to be better then it's not from
Yeah, it's not from bread, so

584
00:47:12.760 --> 00:47:16.199
automatically better. So and a dark
night, an old lady was walking down

585
00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:21.119
the street on her way to get
to her little house. She was northwest

586
00:47:21.159 --> 00:47:25.320
of Port Out Prince in a small
town called boys Jore. As she walked

587
00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:29.800
down the street, she heard someone
call out to her. She looked around

588
00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:34.119
and saw a man standing a little
behind her. Who are you? Haven't

589
00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:37.400
seen the likes of you around?
She said, looking at the man.

590
00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:39.960
Ah me, I'm just passing by
and was looking for a place to say,

591
00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:45.320
he said in return, She looked
him head to toe before signing and

592
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:49.239
pointing a bit ahead of her.
Just up there you'll find a nice keeper.

593
00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:52.320
Her name is Stephanie, and done
to get no bright ideas, she

594
00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:57.519
totally. In return, he nodded
and bowed before quickly walking past her and

595
00:47:57.599 --> 00:48:01.519
towards the keeper. He turned and
yelled back, messy, I'm not saying

596
00:48:01.559 --> 00:48:06.760
that in this language, because it's
going to be terrible. He turned and

597
00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:09.800
yelled back, thanks, stay safe. She shook her head before feeling something

598
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:14.440
in her pocket. She took it
out and looked at it, wondering where

599
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:17.840
it had came from, before she
realized it had cursed her. It was

600
00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:24.679
when of dark origins called a dark
point, and before she knew it,

601
00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:29.840
she felt her skin loosen from her
body, and she felt herself catching on

602
00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:34.119
fire. Her skin had began to
drop and turned to ash as the rest

603
00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:37.840
of her body turned into this flowing
yellow battle of flames. She was so

604
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:43.920
mad about what that man had done
that she took to the skies and flew

605
00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:47.360
towards Stephanie's little inn. Once she
was there, the man was nowhere in

606
00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:52.840
sight. That made her even more
angry. She flew towards the local farm

607
00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:55.440
and took her rage out on the
animals, killing several small ones. She

608
00:48:55.519 --> 00:48:59.599
realized what she had done and turned
back into her normal self and began to

609
00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:02.960
cry. She quickly made her way
from the farm and headed towards the house,

610
00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:07.800
never to be seen by those people. Again. Damn man, that

611
00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:14.599
sucks. Mm hmmm. This man, this bitch ass man turned her into

612
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:20.960
a lugaroo not a man. Crusty, dusty and musty man. Yeah.

613
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:27.719
Wow, Now I now I feel
for them. Not only did I already

614
00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:30.079
like them, but now my heart, my heart breaks for them. They

615
00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:36.960
tortured they that's why we support their
wrongs. Yeah. Yeah, that was

616
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:38.760
better than the redd story. I
like that one. Yeah, yeah,

617
00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:47.519
this was better. This was not
filled with prejudices. Fuck hatie and that

618
00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:54.440
that's basically what they Their whole story
was the bear and wasteland. I bet

619
00:49:54.480 --> 00:50:00.960
you the writer was the crusty and
musty and dusty guy. Yeah, I

620
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:06.559
think so. Okay, well we
have reached the end of the episode.

621
00:50:10.400 --> 00:50:13.800
Well I still have one story,
unless you want to save that one.

622
00:50:13.960 --> 00:50:16.679
Oh no, I forgot, No, let's hear your story. It's not

623
00:50:16.760 --> 00:50:21.400
long, I remember. Yeah,
it's pretty sure. This one's called This

624
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:25.960
is nothing about shape shifters, but
this is a very popular legend, and

625
00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:30.480
it's called La Rubia de la Americas, and it's one of the most popular

626
00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:37.119
ghost stings. Hot. Yes,
and she owns it. No Pipy here.

627
00:50:39.360 --> 00:50:44.440
One of the most popular ghost settings
in the Dominican republic is that of

628
00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:47.519
La Rubia de las Americas, which
translates to the Blonde of the Americas,

629
00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:52.320
and according to legends, sometimes between
nineteen seventy eight and nineteen eighty, there

630
00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:59.599
was an accident on Las America's Avenue
in the Via Duarte sector. I don't

631
00:50:59.599 --> 00:51:01.480
know where that is, but I
know it's an avenue, it's a street.

632
00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:07.480
We know this. I know that
a woman, specifically a blond woman,

633
00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:14.840
had died, and there are stories
on nacional dot com dot do.

634
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:19.480
I was working as a taxi driver
in the area when one night a woman

635
00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:25.000
stopped me and told me to take
her home in the Las Frutas urban nisasion.

636
00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:29.280
When we were getting to the place, I look back and there was

637
00:51:29.320 --> 00:51:30.920
no one in the car. I
didn't stop. I don't know what happened,

638
00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:38.039
said driver Fusi Santos. Other drivers, such as Luis Ramidz, narrate

639
00:51:38.119 --> 00:51:42.960
similar situations with a woman of the
same appearance. He says that on one

640
00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:45.920
occasion, he was walking along Las
America's Avenue around two o'clock in the morning,

641
00:51:46.239 --> 00:51:52.239
and when he arrived at Savana Laiga
Avenue, he was approached by a

642
00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:54.679
blonde woman asking for a ride.
She told me to take her to Costa

643
00:51:54.760 --> 00:52:02.360
Rica Street with Saint Vincent. I
went the latter way, and when I

644
00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:06.760
arrived in Costa Rica, there was
no one in the vehicle. The tremors

645
00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:08.360
took hold of me, but I
never lost control and kept going. He

646
00:52:08.400 --> 00:52:13.360
says, damn, So it's like
that. What is it called the ghost

647
00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:15.519
hitchhiker? I yeah, I was
gonna say. I love a woman on

648
00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:20.960
the road asking for rides and then
disappearing and causing car accidents. She knows

649
00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:25.280
where she wants, she asked what
she wants. She wants a ride to

650
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:30.480
scare the ship out of the man. Oh yeah, I love those stories

651
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:35.159
because they're everywhere and they're always a
little bit different but the same at the

652
00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:37.679
same time. I love it.
Oh that was a good one. Okay,

653
00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:43.480
now we reached the end of the
station. Okay, well before we

654
00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:49.159
go, do either of you have
any spooky recommendations. I have a spooky

655
00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:53.639
recommendation, not like paranormal speakye,
but like real life spooky, like to

656
00:52:53.760 --> 00:53:00.800
crime ish. I listened to the
audiobook of Hold Pull It Up, so

657
00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:04.480
I get the name right. It's
by Ronan Farrow. If you heard of

658
00:53:04.519 --> 00:53:09.920
it. It's like about his investigation
into Harvey Wine. I never say his

659
00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:15.960
name, right, Weinstein, Weinstein, who cares? Yeah, tru Harvey

660
00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:22.840
we predator. Yeah yeah. So
it's called catch and kill lies, spies

661
00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:28.519
and a conspiracy to protect predators.
So it's about his he was working,

662
00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:34.039
I want to say it was NBC
and he was like doing like investigative journalism

663
00:53:34.239 --> 00:53:39.679
like tv uh for them when one
of his higher ups pitched this story to

664
00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:45.440
him because he was hearing like rumblings
about it, and so he writes about

665
00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:49.280
his process. Basically, if NBC
shutting his shit down, not letting him

666
00:53:49.320 --> 00:53:53.840
investigate, that's not suspicious. Yeah. And then also like the network of

667
00:53:54.599 --> 00:53:59.639
what's the word, you know,
like those agencies like black was, Black

668
00:53:59.679 --> 00:54:02.480
Truth something like that, black Box
what was it called? They were a

669
00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:07.239
black Cube, black Cube, I
think that was it. It's like a

670
00:54:07.280 --> 00:54:14.480
private investigation type place, like a
inform what are they called? Not private

671
00:54:14.519 --> 00:54:20.920
investigation, it's like a CIA type
of organization, but it's a private organization

672
00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:27.920
from Israel. What yeah, hell, I'm sorry what okay? They're always

673
00:54:27.920 --> 00:54:35.199
black Cube yeah for real, apparently
they are always involved always and oh my

674
00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:39.840
god. Yeah, And so they
were hired by Weinstein too over his you

675
00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:45.840
know, years of abuse and predation
to harass his victims, shut down his

676
00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:52.320
victims. They had been hired by
and it wasn't Weinstein, Like, well,

677
00:54:52.360 --> 00:54:54.000
it was, yeah, it was
him and his attorneys that hired Black

678
00:54:54.039 --> 00:55:00.599
Cube. I'm pretty sure I'm saying
that right. And then and then writes

679
00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:07.679
about how he was stocked, but
also how the private investigators that were stocking

680
00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:13.400
him and like investigating him, they
didn't even know that they were being hired

681
00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:17.159
to like stock journalists, and then
they didn't agree with that, so they

682
00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:23.280
were basically whistleblowers. And wow,
it's such a good book. It's okay.

683
00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:28.360
And I listened to the audiobook,
which I liked because there's like a

684
00:55:28.400 --> 00:55:34.800
recording that is from Winstein himself and
it's horrible, awful. It was captured

685
00:55:35.400 --> 00:55:39.760
when one of his victims went to
report him and then the police were like,

686
00:55:39.760 --> 00:55:44.639
okay, try to get him to
confess and record it. And that's

687
00:55:44.679 --> 00:55:46.960
where the audio is from, and
so it's included in the book. And

688
00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:52.880
then Ronan does like a bunch of
different accents when he's portraying different people.

689
00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:55.679
It was really good. I liked
it, and it was just like the

690
00:55:57.559 --> 00:56:04.719
depths of the conspiracy. They're wild. Okay, I need to check this

691
00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:07.519
out. Yeah, so how do
you recommend that? Yeah, the true

692
00:56:07.519 --> 00:56:10.559
horror I'm watching is like the one
that everybody's watching right now, which is

693
00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:14.599
quite on set. Oh, I
can't wait to go visit you, Christina.

694
00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:15.760
I'm waiting. Yeah, I'm waiting
for coming to visit me so we

695
00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:22.559
can watch it together. Which also, guess who who what connections Dan Schneider

696
00:56:22.599 --> 00:56:25.519
had, which I'm pretty sure if
you've seen my my Instagram stories, he

697
00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:31.639
had connections with what's what's that one
guy's name that got Clinton? I forgot

698
00:56:31.639 --> 00:56:36.719
his name? An attorney, No, the the guy that they captured,

699
00:56:36.760 --> 00:56:43.159
the human trafficker Epstein. Yeah,
and oh of course he did. Of

700
00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:45.320
course he did. And he also
say like he loves Israel or something like

701
00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:49.880
when I said, they're always involved, they're always involved. I did see

702
00:56:49.880 --> 00:56:57.480
your story. Yeahs m to say
the least, the least, the least.

703
00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:01.199
Wow, Yeah, I gotta watch
that still. I keep seeing clips

704
00:57:01.199 --> 00:57:06.239
about it and stuff. It was
no the first the first two episodes,

705
00:57:06.320 --> 00:57:10.239
like, you watch it and it
just keeps getting worse and worse and worse,

706
00:57:10.599 --> 00:57:15.199
and then a lot of like the
stars kind of like not the not

707
00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:19.679
the main stars, but like kind
of like the background actors are coming out.

708
00:57:20.199 --> 00:57:23.199
And there was a girl who was
working on the Naked Brothers band that

709
00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:29.199
came saw that. I saw that. It just gets worse and worse,

710
00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:35.360
worse and worse. And then there's
also a thing where uh Amanda binds,

711
00:57:35.519 --> 00:57:39.480
they were bringing up that she had
a fake Twitter account. I have that's

712
00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:45.079
actually not her. You were saying
the same thing. Yeah, and then

713
00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:51.440
it's been proven to not to have
someone else and that person got sued by

714
00:57:51.480 --> 00:57:57.639
Amanda Bndes for impersonating her. So
well good because there's also rumors that Schneider

715
00:57:57.800 --> 00:58:02.159
is what's her name's baby daddy Jamie
Lynn. Jamie Lin spears, Yeah,

716
00:58:02.960 --> 00:58:07.679
I'm like, it's it's wild,
it's wild. What I don't like that

717
00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:10.039
the movie came out and people are
like, why isn't Amana Baying saying anything?

718
00:58:10.360 --> 00:58:15.760
Why isn't Ariana Grande saying anything?
She doesn't have to say anything if

719
00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:19.840
she doesn't want to an Yeah,
and like that's also like the thing like

720
00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:22.639
victims don't have to if they don't, and they're harassing them. In the

721
00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:28.559
IG comments and stuff her like the
other girl Jade, the one that plays

722
00:58:28.599 --> 00:58:30.880
Jade on the show, Victoria,
who was married too, But that's creepy.

723
00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:35.639
Also yeah, yeah, that's a
whole other problem. Yeah, she

724
00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:39.760
got married to someone who worked on
set who was like thirty somethings and she

725
00:58:39.880 --> 00:58:44.800
met him she was like fourteen fourteen. Oh yeah, she met him young

726
00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:46.760
on the show. But I think
they started dating when she was nineteen.

727
00:58:47.559 --> 00:58:52.599
I thought it was eighteen. It
might have been. I don't know it.

728
00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:53.840
But it seemed like he was waiting
for her to turn yeah, which

729
00:58:53.880 --> 00:58:59.719
is like, yeah, yeah,
just disgusting. Yeah, but it just

730
00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:02.440
getting worse and worse. But even
in her own book, Jane mc curdie

731
00:59:02.519 --> 00:59:07.559
said that she dated someone who worked
in Nickelodeon two. Yeah, as soon

732
00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:10.800
as she's thirteen and he was thirty
something too. And then what's her name,

733
00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:16.519
Rebel Wilson Also today, I think
came out again, came out and

734
00:59:16.559 --> 00:59:22.400
said stuff about the borat guys.
Yeah, she's been saying that since twenty

735
00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:25.960
fourteen, Sasha whatever, I can't
remember. It's not new. Her book

736
00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:30.400
is coming out and so she talked
about it before. Either it's getting more

737
00:59:30.440 --> 00:59:34.400
pressed because of the book, but
she had she named him and this situation

738
00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:38.000
back in twenty fourteen, and like, yeah, from the thing I read,

739
00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:43.960
fucking disgusting. I haven't even looked
into it, like I just know

740
00:59:44.159 --> 00:59:47.719
that she said it. Okay,
I'm gonna look into him, something about

741
00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:52.239
how she walked into a room and
he there was him and another group of

742
00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:54.760
men there, and he was like
trying to get her to do something like

743
00:59:54.840 --> 01:00:00.000
sexual really and she was like some
kind of like sodomy or something. Yeah,

744
01:00:00.039 --> 01:00:06.000
wow, mm hmm, she didn't
want to and gosh she was young.

745
01:00:06.119 --> 01:00:09.559
No, it was I don't know
how about what set of what movie,

746
01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:14.360
but it was years ago, I
mean obviously because she said she she

747
01:00:14.960 --> 01:00:17.800
started talking about it back in and
fourteen and I already had happened back then.

748
01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:22.199
Yeah, and then was she an
I don't think, I know,

749
01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:28.639
I don't know. I don't think
nineteen Yeah, But and then what's his

750
01:00:28.760 --> 01:00:32.880
name, Borat whatever his name is, Sasha, whatever is hiring? Uh?

751
01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:38.719
What is it called? Like I
did see that the people who manage

752
01:00:39.159 --> 01:00:47.280
really like scandalous like pr Yeah,
oh okay, he's also an extreme Zionist,

753
01:00:47.320 --> 01:00:52.639
so like him anyway, Yeah,
I told you to say the least

754
01:00:54.320 --> 01:00:59.920
oh man, but yeah, I
like I'll discussing. So speaking of quiet

755
01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:05.079
sorry quiet on set. I have
another recommendation that I just started listening to

756
01:01:05.480 --> 01:01:10.679
or watching. It's Alison Stoner's podcast. Oh yeah, yes, how did

757
01:01:12.119 --> 01:01:16.239
there? Yeah, you can find
them on YouTube if you just look up

758
01:01:16.280 --> 01:01:21.159
their name, because I don't remember
what the podcast is called. But it's

759
01:01:21.199 --> 01:01:27.559
a really good It is the way
they break down information. It's not only

760
01:01:27.719 --> 01:01:32.039
like their own personal experiences, but
like they tie it into like the development

761
01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:37.199
of children and how that affects them
growing up, like in the Hollywood scene,

762
01:01:37.960 --> 01:01:42.000
the lack of autonomy, like bodily
autonomy. Like it's just so in

763
01:01:42.079 --> 01:01:46.559
depth and just so it's really good. Yeah. I've seen clips on it

764
01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:50.519
on TikTok, but I've been meaning
to like watch the whole thing. And

765
01:01:50.559 --> 01:01:53.760
this makes me so thankful because when
my daughter was little, she was like,

766
01:01:54.679 --> 01:02:00.239
well I was handed a little card
for like an agent. See,

767
01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:07.639
like that puts kids in like target
ads, homart ads or even like like

768
01:02:07.719 --> 01:02:10.239
small snippets and like certain TV shows
and I was like, no commercials and

769
01:02:10.280 --> 01:02:13.760
stuff. Yeah, but like TV
shows too, Like you say they pick

770
01:02:13.800 --> 01:02:17.679
your kid from the list, then
you fly them to different areas and like

771
01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:21.840
sometimes it's to film like a TV
show, or sometimes it's to film and

772
01:02:21.960 --> 01:02:27.400
ad and I was like, no, I had like you know, like

773
01:02:27.679 --> 01:02:31.119
past and I'm like so thankful I
passed because they're like, oh, sure,

774
01:02:31.159 --> 01:02:35.480
are you sure. I'm like yes, I'm sure. No, thanks,

775
01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:40.280
my kid is not working at the
age of two. Yeah, yeah,

776
01:02:40.280 --> 01:02:45.280
I'm not to mention. Yeah,
the dynamics and and Allison talks about

777
01:02:45.280 --> 01:02:51.280
that in their podcast, just the
dynamics shift and the role, you know,

778
01:02:52.079 --> 01:02:57.320
change of then the child becoming the
bread and the provider with family.

779
01:02:57.519 --> 01:03:00.800
Yeah, and how it just the
pressure dynamics of the family. Yeah,

780
01:03:01.119 --> 01:03:06.559
uh huh yeah, yeah, depressing
stuff. This could be a whole other

781
01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:09.880
episode, honestly, Yeah, it
really could. Yeah, because it's not

782
01:03:09.960 --> 01:03:15.000
just Hollywood. It's like these industries
everywhere because like i mean, we talked

783
01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:20.199
about it in the gloripisode and he
was able to do that is because of

784
01:03:20.239 --> 01:03:22.320
all the same reasons that they do
it here too. So yeah, and

785
01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:30.000
like not viewing children as people and
a lot of don't do that. A

786
01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:34.679
lot of people don't like do that
still and like the people who hate children.

787
01:03:35.840 --> 01:03:37.800
It's not exactly the same, but
it's kind of the same. It's

788
01:03:37.840 --> 01:03:43.119
like adjacent, it's like in the
same vein. It's all it's all related

789
01:03:43.159 --> 01:03:50.639
to not viewing kids, the patriarchy. Everything comes back to the patriarchy,

790
01:03:50.719 --> 01:03:54.880
yes, because in the patriarchy,
women and children are not seen as people.

791
01:03:54.920 --> 01:03:58.119
So it's it really is all related. Like I said it like in

792
01:03:58.159 --> 01:04:01.280
a joking manner, but like I'm
not joking. That's why it's it's like

793
01:04:01.400 --> 01:04:04.920
real horror, Like yeah, it's
it's what I said before, Like,

794
01:04:05.360 --> 01:04:10.079
you know, why do you like
legends and spooky shit so much? Because

795
01:04:10.159 --> 01:04:14.119
humans are the real monsters. That
was so deep. That's a good place

796
01:04:14.119 --> 01:04:15.719
to end it. Wow. Yeah, we can't say anything else, and

797
01:04:15.760 --> 01:04:19.719
that's when we brought you back now
and that's actually the end of the podcast.

798
01:04:19.760 --> 01:04:30.559
We can't say anything better or not. Sorry, Okay, So yeah,

799
01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:33.920
anything else anyone wants to add before
we end? No? Okay.

800
01:04:34.039 --> 01:04:40.199
The current book club book is VAMPIRESVTE. I'm on chapter two still. It's

801
01:04:40.239 --> 01:04:42.719
been three months. I just haven't
listened to it again. I'm done.

802
01:04:42.719 --> 01:04:45.960
I'm done. You need to need
to like harm and change it. It's

803
01:04:45.960 --> 01:04:49.320
so good, even like right off
the bat, so MJ hasn't started it

804
01:04:49.360 --> 01:04:51.679
either, right, No, I
was. I'm like, I'm like I

805
01:04:51.719 --> 01:04:57.239
was reading two books and now I'm
like trying to finish the first Akatar and

806
01:04:57.280 --> 01:05:00.519
then get to this. Okay,
I don't recommend it. I'm just kidding

807
01:05:02.440 --> 01:05:05.880
way better. So yeah, that's
the current book read. Soon we will

808
01:05:05.960 --> 01:05:11.960
but if you like talking ship,
yeah that's true. Soon we will record

809
01:05:12.000 --> 01:05:16.679
the book Club episode for Silver Nitrates. That will be fun and it's okay

810
01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:21.639
yeah yeah right it was. I
feel like it was really almost a year,

811
01:05:24.079 --> 01:05:27.960
like April, may you know,
oh Ship, no way, yeah,

812
01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:30.400
because it wasn't that around the time
we finished the Haunting of Alejandra and

813
01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:33.599
that was the last one and then
it was Silver Nitrate after that. Yeah,

814
01:05:33.639 --> 01:05:36.320
oh my god. It really hard. O. Listeners have no excuse.

815
01:05:38.599 --> 01:05:43.440
We're sorry here in ourselves. I
means you have plenty of time to

816
01:05:43.440 --> 01:05:47.039
finish it. You know, you're
right, You're right, no, no,

817
01:05:47.039 --> 01:05:49.320
no, okay, so yeah,
I don't know, watch out for

818
01:05:50.840 --> 01:05:57.920
that road if you're driving. Somebody
say it's booky yes, Last America.

819
01:05:58.079 --> 01:06:01.079
I think, yeah, yeah,
yeah, watch out for her and yeah,

820
01:06:01.159 --> 01:06:05.559
stay SPOOKI will catch everyone next time. Bye bye bye. M