June 27, 2025

Legends From Colima & the Case of Jose Antonio Elena Rodriguez

Legends From Colima & the Case of Jose Antonio Elena Rodriguez
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(00:00:00) Intro
(00:01:22) Listener Story
(00:03:09) Legends From Colima
(00:09:11) The Case of Jose Antonio Elena Rodriguez
(00:52:24) Spooky Recs

In 2012, Jose Antonio Elena Rodriguez was an unarmed 16 year old Mexican team, walking home, when a border patrol agent fired into the Mexican side of the border and killed him. In this episode, Carmen shares three short legends from Colima, Mexico and Cristina shares the case of Jose Antonio Elena Rodriguez.

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Hi, this is Christina and Carmen and this is a

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Spooky Tee. It's the podcast for all things is Spooky, Hunting, Places, Myths, Legends,

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true crime in Latin America. I was going to say

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we're back again, but again, we were back last week,

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right right, right, Yeah, Yes, I have to warr everyone

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ahead of time that my case today is gonna I

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was angry. I've been angry since for a while now

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months actually ten months now that I've just lived with

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this anger inside of me and I want everyone else

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to be angry with me. And so the case today

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is triggering and it's angering and infuriating. So yeah, okay, okay.

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At the end of the episode, she'd be like, what's

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something that's making you made you laugh this week? And

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I already have mine? You have you, Yes, but I'm excited, Okay,

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a story to send us, you can email as Spooky

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lot of ways to get us your stories. We love

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receiving them. Okay, let's do this. Okay, So today's listening

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story comes from the one and only MJ. Shout out, MJ. Okay.

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My aunt pass along this story on Easter. It's like

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tradition in Latin America where weird stuff happens during the holidays,

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well on sadoo, and that is a well known tradition.

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It is, it is, and especially to MJ and her family. Yeah.

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On top of that, also known as the Solidad or celebration.

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That's Solidad the Maria in Spanish and Holy Saturday in English.

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My aunt, who's a devout Catholic, went to Mass to

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observe Holy Saturday. During Mass, my aunt heard groaning and talking,

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but nothing that was audible. However, she said it sounded

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absolutely horrifying. It makes me think of when her mom

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said her story and how the and then would just

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say you can't understand what aund Yeah, yes, yes, okay,

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uh In this observance of Holy Saturday, the Christ statue

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is taken to burial, and while this was happening, they

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were surrounded by letusas who kept on swooping on the

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Christ statue. My aunt was getting scared. There was a

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sound of what she said was cackling outside. Thankfully, it

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just ended there and nothing else strange happened. She asked

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others if they heard what she heard, but only my

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cousin did and everyone else attending didn't hear anything. As

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things are going to shed all around the world, she

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was worried it has something to do with that. Maybe

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it was a like a sign omen yes, omen, that's

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what the word I was looking for. Yeah, but yeah,

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that was m Jane's story that happened to her aunt

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on Eastern Definitely an omen yes if the omen the

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first omen tamien is that you. What's your topic today? Today?

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I bring you some legends from Kolima, Mexico. Shout out

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Colima listeners. Okay, First up, we have the legend of

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La Pierre Lisa, or the Smooth Boulder. In the heart

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of the city of Kolima. It is said that there's

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a formation of boulders with a smooth boulder, and I

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forgot to paste a picture in here, but then I

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wanted to see the smooth It's like a formation of

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like rocks and then one a big rock in the middle.

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But I call it a boulder because to me, a

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boulder is a big rock, right, yeah, okay, yeah yeah.

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So anyway, Yeah, there's this big rock in the middle

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of all the rocks, and it's so big you can

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kind of slide from it. Oh fun, and it's smooth.

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And while that sounds like fun, don't be tempted, because

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it is said that those who slide down Lapierre Lissa

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become tied to Kolima forever and can never leave. Yeah.

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They either fall in love Ekua Lima and stay there forever,

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which doesn't sound too bad. That's not Yeah, I was

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gonna say that's not too bad, or they die in Kolima.

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That's bad. That's bad. Yeah, that's not good. Yeah. And

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so I mean, the rocks supposedly are still there, and

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it's like a tourist challenge to slide down and see

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what happens. All right, Well, you either fall in love

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or you die. If I ever find myself with Kalima,

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I'm gonna try it. We'll see which one happens. Okay.

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And next up we have the enchanted snake from the

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caves or las. Between the cities of Kolima and Comatlan.

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There there are some caves known as Lesqubitas, and it

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is said there's a hitting treasure there guarded by a

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giant snake. And it's also said that stranger whispers and

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presents can be heard and felt inside of the caves. Yeah,

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that's all I have for there. I forgot. I was

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going to look to see if there was anyone actually

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that went and experienced a story from there, and never

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got to do that. So that's all I have for

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Thesipeaa Laskitas okay. And next up we have La Casa,

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the La colina or the house on the hill. It

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sounds familiar, does it. It's in the city of Amdia. Well, okay,

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go on, I might have shared this a long time ago.

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So in the city of a Media south of Kolima,

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there's an abandoned house on top of a hill. It

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is said that a foreign family was killed in the

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home and then thrown into the water wheel located in

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their property. Very unfortunate for them and it said that

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come nightfall, the house no longer seems abandoned, and it

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looks like there's a party going on inside the house.

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And witnesses have reported walking by the home at night

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and you know, seeing the lights on, hearing music, and

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then they're invited into the house to party. Come morning,

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the house is once again in ruins, full of bats,

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and two the party guests horror. They realized that they

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were partying with dead people. Not fun. Yeah, fun, yeah,

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not fun at all. Okay, Next up we have Laguna

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la Maria in Comala, the city of Kamala. Does that

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sound samiliar to you? No, No, I love a laguna story. Yeah,

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so in English Lake Maria. So in Komala, there was

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once a couple named Jorge and Maria. Maria was a

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jealous woman while Jorgie was a party animal. That's a

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bad combination, Yeah it is. He loved to go to

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other pueblos to find fiestas, so he was basically lachna. Yeah. Yeah, Anyway,

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on one occasion, he didn't come home for various days,

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and Maria she was pissed, very yeah, she was probably pissed.

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She was so pissed. Yeah, properly pissed. Yeah. So, yeah,

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so she was so pissed that she called on Satanas himself.

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Oh that escalated for helpically, that's a big step there. Yeah.

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I don't know how she got from A to B. Yeah,

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B being the devil, right, B being Satan. Yeah, so

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she offered the devil her soul if you could assure

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her that Quodha would love her for eternity. Oh and

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some more days passed and Koti finally went back home,

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but he didn't see Maria anywhere. He looked all over

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the house and then the neighborhood, and then he asked

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a grandero and his neighbors for help. So soon they

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all started looking for Maria. Help with his neighbors, they

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were hacking away at the bushes, and so they got

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to the lake. And at the lake, they were surprised

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to find a tomb, but they were even more surprised

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to see Maria rice from set tomb. Oh yeah, yeah,

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that would be surprising to any one. Oh yeah, and

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Maria after rising from tomb, like like Jesus, Yeah, she

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floated to the middle of the lake until she fell.

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Like Jesus, she walked on water, well floaded, she floated

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to the middle of the lake and then she fell

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in and went under the water and just you know,

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stayed there. And I didn't see any more information aut

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you that. But since then the lake is called the

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Maria and it said that Maria's tomb is still there.

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Did she do anything? Not that I found or I

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didn't came looking after I saw this one story. Interesting,

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like it seems like her the old Devil didn't work

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out at all. She just died. Yeah, and that's why

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you don't make deals with the devil. When the nights

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are quiet, they can hear Maria crying from the lake.

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Then that's it. Wow? Is that all? Yeah, that's all

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I have? Wow, Okay, there was more like there was

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the the Bridge. Eight in did an episode on the bridge.

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But yeah, yeah, okay, with that, we'll take an ad

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break and we'll be back with my very depressing to

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crime story that I want all of us to be

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mad with me together, page together. Yeah, okay, and we're

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back ready to be angry. And yeah, I mean I

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warned everyone this is very depressing. So we're just gonna

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get and depressing and infuriating. We'll just jump right into this.

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So Jose Antonio Elena Rodriguez was a sixteen year old

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Mexican teenager living in Nogles, Mexico, and he was a

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very happy kid. He loved his mom, his sisters, friends, family.

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He liked being at home. When he wasn't at home,

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just hanging out, then he was playing basketball because he

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loved basketball. That was his other favorite thing to do

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and his His mom describes him as a good kid

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who again loved her so much. He also really liked

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cloudy days, chocolate cookies, and spending time with his sisters

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and he as you know, at sixteen, he would tell

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people that he wanted to be a soldier in service

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country and when his grandma would tell them, they say

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she didn't like that because soldiers were trained to kill people.

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He would tell her, no, Grandma, there's also good soldiers,

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not all of them are bad. But I want to

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be there because I want a career. When I finished

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with that, I'll stop being a soldier and dedicate myself

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to my career. That's my goal. Just you know, wholesome,

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like yeah, like a sweet kid. Yeah. He dreamed of

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writing in a plane. That was one of his biggest

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dreams and his mom promised him that she would take

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him to Guadalajara. They had a trip plan for a

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family first communion up there, and they were going to fly.

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And before once, this flight was scheduled and they were

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ready to go, and he was so excited. He would

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ask her if you could see the clouds in a plane,

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and she would answer, you'll see the clouds under you.

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Did I cry when I read that, yes, of course,

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because sadly he never got to get on a plane

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and see the clouds around him. His life was tragically ended.

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On October tenth, twenty twelve. So Hose was walking on

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a road along the border in Nogalle, Sonora, as border

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patrol agents and US police officers swarmed the US side

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of the border and they had received a nine will

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one call about suspicious activity. So this suspicious activity was

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that two men were seen climbing down the fence into

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the US side with bundles taped to their backs, and

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police officers responding to the suspicious call saw the men

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and they believed that these two men were carrying bundles

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of marijuana. Marijuana. I feel like I said that, we're

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the first time I didn't notice, Okay, well maybe I didn't,

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So the two officers I got their first called for backup.

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That's when Border patrol and US Customs agents swarmed the

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US side of the border. So all these officers, police,

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Border Patrol, US Customs agents, they saw the two men

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climbed the eighteen foot fence back into Mexico. And when

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they saw them climbing back, they were empty handed. Nothing

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was on their back. As these two men reached the

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Mexican side of the fence the border, someone began throwing rocks,

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and so officers on site all reported a similar story.

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Rocks were flying through the air and then they heard

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the sound of gunfire. In the middle of all this

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taking place, Jose was walking home from playing basketball when

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the two men that climbed back into Mexico ran past him.

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And it was at that moment that Border Patrol agent

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Lonnie ray Swartz ran up to the fence, pointed his

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gun through the gaps and staid fence and fired twelve times.

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Ten of the twelve rounds hit sixteen year old Josse

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in the back. He died thirty feet from the border fence.

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I am just already one because I remember this story

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from back then and it happened, Yeah, but also what

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what is the point, like why other than senseless violence,

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racism and hatred? What other than those things? What would

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shooting while people are running away? What would that accomplish? Yeah,

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like you're going to kill people on the other side

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of the border. That's not your country. They left, they

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didn't come in. It is not what you're trying to

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event solved, shoot them, right what like okay, so you

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shot them? And then what because they're not on your side,

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your supposed side, right if you're made up man made

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you know, border exactly, So why shoot them? Like you

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can't help them, Not that you would in the first place,

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Like your job is to devent entry into the US,

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right and to supposedly protect it and like prevent drugs. Well,

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they climbed back over. Also, they didn't have the bundles

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that were reported. Also they were like empty handed, right

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you said, yeah when they said when they were climbing

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back they were empty yeah yeah, So like why yeah?

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So in the initial reports, Border Patrol suggested that Hostel

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was among the rock throwers. Even if he was, Yeah,

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but he wasn't because witnesses disproved that They again verified

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that he was only walking home from playing basketball. And

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I want to note that the supposed gunfire that they

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all agreed they heard it was they never found a source.

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It was not identified because it wasn't real. They were

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lying to protect each other because there are a bunch

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of murderous, a murderous pack of animals. You know, he

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can compare them to even though animals don't kill, just

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the kinder. Yeah. Yeah, so again this gunfire, it wasn't real.

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So in the following days from the shooting and killing

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of a Mexican teen, US Customs and Border Protection issued

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the statement quote. After verbal commands from agents to cease

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assaulting the agents with rocks were ignored. One agent then

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discharged his service firearm. One of the subjects appeared to

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have been hit. And I smile because that's like the cacacity,

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the audacity they the typical statement trying to steer free

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your faults, sounding neutrals is what they all do. Like

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the subject was hit by gunshots by you, bitch, you

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shot my gun because they were throwing rocks at me,

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But fucking who, you could have just left and you

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didn't have to get a fand there while they were mosquito.

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I don't know, uh, so they're throwing rocks. Okay, leave, leave,

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take a few steps back, and then guess what the

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hate you, you dumb bitch, like I don't understand, I

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don't and uh again always the passive ship subject was

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hit by gunfire, the hospital explo but no one knows

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how stupid. Yeah, anyway, so that's what they yeh, that's

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what they put out. And again the quote unquote subject

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who was he was unarmed. He was walking home. He

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was on the Mexican side of the border, and he

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was sixteen. He was walking on a street called Caye Internacionale.

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He just passed a doctor's clinic. The sign like that

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said like auxilio that's where he was, like hey, which

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is like just the I don't know, the imagery, Yeah, horrendous.

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And then to just you know, die literally thirty feet

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from this man made border like and so at first

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the agency of course defunded their employees, stating that he

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was acting in self defense. How I'm not sure, because

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he ran up to the fence after the man had

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already climbed back into Mexico. That's what I'm saying. You basically,

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you were asking for it. You were asking for rocks.

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To be thrown at you because you went and chased

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these people, but they were already back in Mexico. Yeah,

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but you know they were going to defend their employee

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of course. Sign but they did state that this incident

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would be investigated, but understandably so Hosay's mom was outraged

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and sued, and so then the agency kind of backed

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down from defending him and saying like, yeah, he can

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face criminal charges. And Lonnie Swartz's lawyer said that although

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the shooting was tragic, Swarts could not be held liable

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and urged the judged to dismiss the case because the

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US Constitution did not apply to foreign citizens on foreign soil.

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What does that have to do with Okay, I the constitution,

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but also you killed someone. Yeah, Because the Rodriguest family

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lawyer and legal team, they were obviously for their amending justice,

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but they were arguing, well, First, their lawyers stated that

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the barbatual agent, Lonni Swartz, if he's a lowed to

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get away with this, will have acted with total impunity, Yeah,

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which is what they're used to doing, right, and that

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they wanted, uh, the Department of Homeland Security to start

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being transparent about their agent's actions because they're one of

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the most violent agencies. Truly, they really are. They really are.

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It's horrendous. Like I fear they are worse than the cops.

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Then you know, they're worse than the LA sheriff Sheriff's Department. Yeah, LAPD. Yeah, Yeah,

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they're bad. They're really bad. So the LA will team

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for the family stated that agents Swarts violated both the

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fourth and First Amendments of the Constitution. Yeah, Okay, I

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was wondering they were bringing the competition into this. Yeah,

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but I'm like, besides that, like you killed somebody, like yeah,

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and just because you you killed someone across the other

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side of this again made up border you know. Yeah,

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the legal team. The legal team said the agent Swords

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violated both the fourth and First Amendments of the Constitutions

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Constitution because he shot Arodriguez for no reason and that

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in the right circumstances, the US Constitution does ground protections

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to foreigners in the case of literally shooting into another

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country from a border, right right, like you shot him

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from your side from the United States. And that was

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their main argument is that he the border patrol agent,

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was on US soil when he did this crime. Right,

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he killed a teenager. And it did take three years

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after the killing of Fosse for charges to be brought

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against Leni Swartz, but he was charged in twenty fifteen

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with second degree murder. And although up to that date

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there had been several very similar incidents of border patrol

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agents shooting into Mexico and killing people, he was the

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first to be charged with something related to a killing

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that took place across the US Mexico world. The first.

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Because they've been they've been doing this since they made

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the border up. You know, there's a reason they think

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it's okay. There's a reason he thought it was perfectly

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fine to run up and shoot into their common practice. Yes,

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and details during the trial revealed that the account I

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already shared at the top of the episode, it was

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corroborated by several witnesses. So like, No, Jose did not

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throw anything. But even if he had thrown something, that

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does not warrant murder. No, just like if you're at

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a protest, it doesn't warrant you getting hit by a car. Okay, right,

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I am not even entertaining these arguments. No, me neither.

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I've been You guys are frothing at the mouth and

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horny to to run people over like there's I think

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they're horny for violence, like they get off on this ship.

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Something can I tried for one second again, you know?

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The the him throwing rocks was disproved by several witnesses.

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He was proven to just be walking through the area. Also,

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Border patrol refused to hand over civiliance tape of the shooting.

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They I don't know. I don't know because it's not

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an order from a core like I don't understand. I

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have no idea. But yeah, they never fucking want Yeah,

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they never showed it. They still have never shown it.

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Another important note that came from the trials is that

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the fence on the Mexican side of the border sits

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on a steep hill. So not only is the fence

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eighteen feet in height itself, but the hill is like

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another eight feet, So the total height of all this

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together is almost thirty feet. So in order for Hostai

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to throw rocks that would have reached the agents in

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a way that would be dangerous to them, he would

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have to he would have had to throw so far

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like forty to fifty feet in the air and make

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sure it goes over the fence to reach them, which

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was like, come on, he's not a fucking baseball pitcher,

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Like yeah, but again, he wasn't throwing rocks. He was

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just walking. It was not very clear who through the rocks,

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if they had, I don't know who knows. Anyway, I

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think the whole thing, I don't think I'm inclined to

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believe that agents insisted that the rock throwing is very

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dangerous there. It's so dangerous. Sure, I'm sure it hurts

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to be hit with the rock. That they have helmets,

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I don't know. I don't know if they have helmets

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or not, but sure, I guess if your head's not protected,

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you know, it could cause damage, maybe even kill you.

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But again, if you just move away from the perimeter

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where the rocks are being thrown. Especially, yeah, especially in

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this situation where the people that were they were trying

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to catch already were like not in the US, right, Like,

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what are you so worried about? Yeah? Cueto, president of

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the Tufson Chapter of the Border Patrol Union, the follow bitch,

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so the following about the incident. Quote, A lot of

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us have been involved in rocking. I've been involved in rockings.

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You have individuals border patual agents. They have to make

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split second life and death decisions. No, you don't shut up. Unfortunately,

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with social media, it's very easy to Monday morning quarterback somebody,

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What the fuck is that? Monday morning quarterback somebody. It

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gets easy for you to be like you say, you

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would have done different in the situation, But it's very simple.

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Don't go up to the fucking fence after your targets

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whatever you want to call that, turn around and go

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back to your stupid little cars and leave the people

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you were trying to actually hand it gone. They're in Mexico. Yeah,

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it's now the goal, Like they're not in the States anymore. Yeah.

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Why are you trying to shoot someone across the border? Right?

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Because you're a violent bitch. Yeah. So, but you know what,

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this is us Monday morning quarterbacking. Okay, and you know what, yeah,

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I will tell them how to do their job. Quick,

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your job job, You just kill yourself. You just want

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to kill Mexicans and people who are trying to cross

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the border because of ship that the United States did

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to their countries. Mind you, you just want to attack

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vulnerable people, rape women, exploit children, and kill people that's

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all you want to do, So just fucking quit. Just quit. Yes,

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no one is forcing you to have that job. Just

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fucking know, right, you're too scared, then quit. You don't

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have to work. If you're so afraid of your violent job,

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then quit your fucking violent job. Okay, I'm done. No,

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but yeah, no, but yeah, okay, So I breathe life

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and decisions quit okay. Forensic investigators from Mexico testified the

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officer emptied his service hand gun, reloaded, and kept firing.

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What you think about that? That's not come on anyway.

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The medical examiner for the Miami Dade County in Florida

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stated the same quote Swartz and I was gonna say Stwarts.

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Swarts first shot likely hit the boy in the middle

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of his back as he was running. How about you

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don't shoot people in their back while they're running away,

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Like come on, like, don't shoot into a country that's

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not yours. Exactly. If you want to kill people, do

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it in your own country, and then how about you

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just don't. Right, No, After both the prosecution and the

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defense argue their points, there were some facts that were

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agreed upon. So apparently the two men the reason that

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they were seeing with nothing on their back when they

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were climbing back into they dumped the things. But they cares,

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I mean a little bit of marijuana. Who fucking cares?

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I don't care. I don't give a fund. Also, there

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have been so many cases of border gradual agents joining

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a drug rings where they are also smoking on drugs. Yeah,

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so who can actually engage in a lot of crime? No, truly,

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Like we were saying, they are the most violent and

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like crime committeeing agencies out there, Like there's that's a literal,

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there's documentation. We're not just saying this because we don't

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like them. That's true. We don't like them. I hate them,

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That part is true. But just because we don't like

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them doesn't mean we're making up the fact that they

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commit a lot of crimes. Yeah, because they do. They do. Yes, So, yes,

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these two people did have marijuana bundles that they dropped

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when they ran or climbed back over into the Mexican

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side of the border, and three people on the Mexican

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side were throwing rocks. Jose was not one of them.

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But again, even if he had been throwing rocks, it

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doesn't justify him being killed for it. Exactly. Yeah. And

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then officer Schwartz give an emotional testimony. Again, I don't

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give a real emotions. I don't believe he testify that

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he was frightened and he fired his gun after one

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of his agents and police dog had been hit by

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a rock. How about you turn around to leave? Literally,

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did you try steps back? Like? All you had to

444
00:27:24.039 --> 00:27:27.480
do again is move away from the area where the

445
00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:32.200
rocks are falling because it can only go stain distance, right,

446
00:27:32.319 --> 00:27:36.359
And all you had to do was fucking leave. Yeah,

447
00:27:36.759 --> 00:27:39.119
he said he thought to himself, this is gonna stop.

448
00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:41.640
Somebody's gonna get hurt. No, I don't think, he said,

449
00:27:42.279 --> 00:27:45.880
probably did try to really really play up, you know,

450
00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:49.400
the acting for the stand. Yeah, so he does himself,

451
00:27:49.400 --> 00:27:51.440
this is gonna stop. Someone's gonna get hurt. And then

452
00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:55.079
he aimed at quote two shadowy figures. So again, you

453
00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:58.599
could have just enturn around and left. But he what

454
00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:00.759
was he aiming at? He shot sixteen year old in

455
00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:03.599
the back who was running away from the incident. He

456
00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:07.160
wasn't even throwing rocks. So again, if you're shooting blindly

457
00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:10.480
without looking at who's actually throwing the rocks, and again,

458
00:28:10.559 --> 00:28:15.079
throwing rocks is not something that warrants killing. Just leave,

459
00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:20.319
just leave. Yeah. Also, that doesn't sound like a trained,

460
00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:25.839
logical response to rock throwing. This sounds like a response

461
00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:29.480
of an emotional, scared person who maybe shouldn't have had

462
00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:32.559
a gun in the first place. Yeah. Yeah, And that's

463
00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:35.160
the problem that they're just going around shooting people because

464
00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:39.240
they were scared, right, because their jobs are so dangerous,

465
00:28:39.640 --> 00:28:41.720
when in fact they're the dangerous ones. I actually have

466
00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:45.519
a quote about that later henceforth. Here he is the

467
00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:48.519
one that kills one right right, Yeah, but he was

468
00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:53.400
scared of the rocks. Okay, after the shooting, things went

469
00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:55.480
gray and he threw up. That is what he said.

470
00:28:55.920 --> 00:28:59.440
The defense argued, Yes, a gun is more powerful than

471
00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:02.839
a rock. Agents are authorized to respond in certain situations.

472
00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:05.400
That's the mindset, that's the way they're trained, and that's

473
00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:07.680
the problem. I don't I want to say they're not

474
00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:11.279
authorized to shoot across the border into shoot across the

475
00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:13.759
border into Mexico. No, So this is not even one

476
00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:18.759
of those situations where authorized where carmen are rocking changes that, okay,

477
00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:25.400
are rocking. I refuse to call this a rocking, Okay rocking.

478
00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:32.680
I'm properly pissed. They argued that smugglers use children to

479
00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:37.039
throw grapefruit sized rocks from rooftops to distract agents and

480
00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:40.960
then it's super dangerous and just believe you don't have

481
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:45.319
to engage in this. I don't understand. Do it's a rocking?

482
00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:49.079
They like, did you have no jurisdiction Mexico? If these

483
00:29:49.119 --> 00:29:52.200
were smugglers, they have not. You have not caught them.

484
00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:55.799
The act was smuggling children into the border. They are

485
00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:00.720
in Mexico. You have no jurisdician Mexico. Shut the fuck

486
00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:05.720
up this whole argument. It's like non applicable here. I

487
00:30:05.720 --> 00:30:11.000
don't understand. I don't. Then they said that there had

488
00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:14.240
been a sharp spike in assaults on agents during those

489
00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:17.119
years that the crime occurred, not the crime, They're not

490
00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:18.920
gonna call out a crime, but like the shooting when

491
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:22.039
the shot happened, Yeah, the assault, whatever, the incident where

492
00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:25.359
a gun was fired into Mexico and a boy lost

493
00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:29.440
their life. A boy was hit by these gun or

494
00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:33.319
sorry this these shots that made themselves into Mexico, that's

495
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:37.000
what happened, right, So yeah, But an investigation by the

496
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:40.880
Intercepts found that board patrol manipulated these statistics and that

497
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:42.920
the job had actually been at its safest when the

498
00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:45.759
shooting occurred. Of course, of course, it's just like when

499
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:48.519
cops were like, oh, you have to make life into decisions.

500
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:51.000
They may and then they do all these the most

501
00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:53.920
safest job. Yeah, like what was more dangerous? Like I

502
00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:55.759
don't know, being a truck driver, being a text driver,

503
00:30:55.839 --> 00:30:59.799
I don't remember, but I guess what was not number

504
00:30:59.839 --> 00:31:05.440
one on that list? Fucking law enforcement, fucking liars. Yeah.

505
00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:08.759
The officer faced twenty years to life if he had

506
00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:10.880
been convicted of second dream murders. Oh my god, I

507
00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:13.519
can't read. If he had been convicted of second degree murder.

508
00:31:13.759 --> 00:31:17.119
But after three days of deliberation, the jury was deadlocked.

509
00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:20.000
They found him not guilty of second degree murder, and

510
00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:22.720
they could not reach a verdict on the two lesser

511
00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:29.200
manslaughter charges, so a new trial was going to happen. Sorry,

512
00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:31.200
I just had to laugh from disbelief. I like, I

513
00:31:31.240 --> 00:31:33.240
know this because you know, I remember I was keeping

514
00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:36.079
up with this because I was fucking pissed, pissed. I

515
00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:38.519
was just as pissed back then as I am right

516
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:44.119
now as we are talking about this. But I'm like,

517
00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:48.319
what is wrong with these jurors like, you guys are stupid. Yeah, whoever,

518
00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:51.319
you know, they were quite a three. Yeah, you guys

519
00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:53.480
are stupid. And I hope that you and they think

520
00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:56.200
that borderpittal was actually producting them. So of course they

521
00:31:56.240 --> 00:31:58.599
weren't going to see this on the incident that it

522
00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:03.839
was right. But I'm gonna save it. Okay, I'm cutting

523
00:32:03.839 --> 00:32:05.480
you off. Then I'm just kidding. I cut myself off,

524
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:11.000
that's I know. When the verge was announced, So's grandmother

525
00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:14.759
left the court room in tears. And because the jury

526
00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:18.519
couldn't agree on the lesser charges, it was a mistrial.

527
00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:20.319
There was going to be a new trial to figure

528
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:24.680
out these lesser charges. Araserriro Driguez. Jo Say's mom said

529
00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:29.319
the following quote. What I want to ask the American

530
00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:32.359
authorities is what is your law? Then? What does justice

531
00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:36.400
mean to you? What could be more important than justice?

532
00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:38.960
They know they have murders working for them, and they

533
00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:41.519
still pay and protect them. I don't want my son

534
00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:46.119
to be forgotten. I want people to keep talking. I

535
00:32:46.119 --> 00:32:48.400
will tell you what their law and justice is. It's

536
00:32:48.440 --> 00:32:52.359
protecting whiteness at all costs. Yeah, and capitalism. And again,

537
00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:54.759
by whiteness, we don't mean all white people. Okay, no, no,

538
00:32:54.759 --> 00:32:59.359
get mad, We mean the system of colonialism and white

539
00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:03.079
supremacy and not all white people. Foll under that belief. Okay,

540
00:33:03.319 --> 00:33:06.599
we're not hashtag not all whites. Okay, again, we have

541
00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:11.200
white friends. The next trial took place November twenty eighteen,

542
00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:14.880
and this is where Lennie Schwartz was acquitted on the

543
00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:19.200
charge of involuntary manslaughter. But then yes, but then the

544
00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:21.079
jury could not reach a verdict on the charge of

545
00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:25.720
voluntary manslaughter and federal prosecutors decided to not pursue a

546
00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:29.599
third trial. And so he was he was in charge

547
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:32.599
with anything, or he wasn't. He was acquitted of everything.

548
00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:37.079
I mean, there's just another case of a discussing person

549
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:42.039
getting away with their discussing violence. Yeah, And as of

550
00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:45.119
twenty twenty, he was still facing a civil rights lawsuit

551
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:49.319
from the ACLU brought but on behalf of Araceli Josa's mother.

552
00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:51.599
And at first I was like, I guess it's still

553
00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:54.200
pending in the US Supreme Court. But then the more

554
00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:57.799
I searched, I found that February twenty six, twenty twenty,

555
00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:01.799
a US Supreme Court five decision took away any hope

556
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:06.640
for this civil law to go anywhere, because in this

557
00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:09.880
February twenty six, twenty twenty five four decision, the Supreme

558
00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:14.719
Court ruled to deny the family of Sehio arian Ernandez

559
00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:18.360
Guerreca the right to sue Border Patrol again over another shooting,

560
00:34:18.599 --> 00:34:23.280
very similar circumstances, but a separate shooting. And because they

561
00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:27.760
ruled that five to four decision, now it's set of

562
00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:30.360
precedent that no one on the Mexican side of the

563
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:33.599
border could sue Border Patrol for shooting them. This is

564
00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:37.360
absolutely disgusting because the Border Patrol is one of the

565
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:43.079
most violent gangs in the United States. Yeah, they perpetrate violence.

566
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:48.599
They pretend to protect the United States when they are

567
00:34:48.679 --> 00:34:55.239
actually the ones perpertrating violence, sexual assault, killing, murders, you

568
00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:58.400
know what I mean. Like, yeah, we should be afraid

569
00:34:58.440 --> 00:35:02.679
of them, undred percent. They they are in the streets

570
00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:07.199
kidnapping people. So yeah, yeah, but even before that, there's

571
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:10.000
a very very long, detailed record of them committing crimes,

572
00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:13.960
them abusing people, them murdering people, them shooting into Mexico.

573
00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:17.000
Like the list goes on and on and on and on.

574
00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:22.199
It's literally like, yeah, and we're also like talking about

575
00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:28.119
violence to children, like, you know, some people care more

576
00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:30.239
about that. Obviously that's a terrible thing, you know what

577
00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:33.360
I mean? They only care about certain children, right, I

578
00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:35.360
don't even know why I'm pretending like they care about

579
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:40.400
They don't care about undocumented children migrants. Please know about

580
00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:43.519
the trials at Seli who says mom said quote. Since

581
00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:45.519
the beginning, we saw how the judge on the entire

582
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:48.440
jury was on the murderer side. They were all American.

583
00:35:48.559 --> 00:35:51.199
They were all racist. The way they saw us was

584
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:54.000
as if we were bugs. They gave us dirty looks.

585
00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:57.079
The murderer had a lot of privileges that we never did.

586
00:35:57.239 --> 00:35:59.760
He sat there with his water, with his coffee, with

587
00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:02.400
his computer, reading books. If we wanted to, we weren't

588
00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:04.880
allowed to look at him. We would get in trouble

589
00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:07.119
if we looked at him. Lannie Swartz has so many

590
00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:09.920
benefits that we knew what the verdict was going to be.

591
00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:12.599
There was a lot of racism. I feel like even

592
00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:16.639
the jury was bought. They were all no offense gringos.

593
00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:20.119
They were all blonde, white people, pure Americans. There was

594
00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:23.320
not a single Mexican sitting there. And this was during

595
00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:27.360
a democracy. Now interview, and she also left this message

596
00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:31.119
like the Democracy Now hosts I forget her name, but

597
00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:34.280
if people don't watch that, it's a really informative show.

598
00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:37.679
But the host asked her, like, do you have a

599
00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:41.039
message for the people of the US about your son?

600
00:36:41.159 --> 00:36:44.320
And she said to put themselves in my shoes. People

601
00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:46.480
who are fathers and mothers, I think are the people

602
00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:49.239
who may be able to understand. To have your son

603
00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:53.000
murdered and the way mine was is a horrific pain

604
00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:56.840
that I do not wish upon anyone. To the jurors,

605
00:36:56.880 --> 00:36:59.000
I would to ask them, are you at peace with

606
00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:02.239
the decision you made? I would ask if their conscience

607
00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:05.000
is clean? But the decision they made at the trial,

608
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:07.960
they showed them a mannequin representing my son, showing them

609
00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:10.840
exactly where the bullets entered his body. He was shot

610
00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:13.920
in the head and Lanni Swartz continued to shoot him.

611
00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:17.119
To the jurors, the judge, and the murderer himself, I

612
00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:20.119
asked them, how do you sleep at night? How are

613
00:37:20.119 --> 00:37:22.639
you at peace with yourself? After you murdered my son.

614
00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:27.320
I had hoped that Hosan Antonio's case would have justice

615
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:30.159
and that would help stop all of this. How is

616
00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:33.719
it possible that Mexican children are being murdered and the

617
00:37:33.800 --> 00:37:37.280
American people don't do anything, not even the Mexican people

618
00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:40.880
do something or the Mexican government. For me, both trials

619
00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:44.519
were a joke. They just made me angry. One two

620
00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:47.440
very long trials just to declare this man not guilty.

621
00:37:48.119 --> 00:37:50.719
On one occasion, I overheard a Border Patrol agent saying

622
00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:53.159
that the agency was ready to spend money on five,

623
00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:56.599
even ten trials just like this one. This is the

624
00:37:56.679 --> 00:37:59.639
anger we have. We are also angry at Mexico. Mexico

625
00:37:59.719 --> 00:38:02.960
is not strong enough to demand the extradition of this murderer.

626
00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:07.039
My son was murdered on Mexican territory and Lenni Swartz

627
00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:09.880
has to pay. We will not stop fighting. I don't

628
00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:11.760
like to give interviews, but I know I have to.

629
00:38:11.920 --> 00:38:14.960
I want Jusantno's name to be remembered. I want people

630
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:17.599
to know he was murdered by a Border Patrol agent

631
00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:20.880
and nothing was done about it. We need your support.

632
00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:22.880
That is why I stand in front of this camera,

633
00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:27.159
in front of this mike, demanding justice. End quote man

634
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:31.119
and yeah even like because of the way these like

635
00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:35.000
superpowers are set up, the Mexican government tried. They tried

636
00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:38.039
to be like, hey, you can't chew people here, but

637
00:38:38.119 --> 00:38:40.599
what can they do? That's what I'm saying, Like, Okay,

638
00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:46.079
so border patrol. One thing which is still completely wrong

639
00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:52.480
is you know, border patrol herd existing one. Yes, I

640
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:56.079
agree with that, But one thing is somebody crossing into

641
00:38:56.119 --> 00:38:58.440
the border, which again I am fine with. I wish

642
00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:01.960
there was open borders like they're used to be right right.

643
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:04.719
I'm not saying that out of nowhere. The borders used

644
00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:06.760
to be open and it was not a problem. There

645
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:13.159
was no supposed invasion of Sorry, really, huh. There's a

646
00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:15.519
clip on TikTok that did you send it to me?

647
00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:17.519
I probably send it to you. When it's this guy

648
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:19.920
that he's like, he's like quoting, He's like, we don't

649
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:22.199
want open No one's saying we don't want open borders.

650
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:24.960
And he's like, I'm saying that. I can say that.

651
00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:27.599
Actually we have said that. I don't know if he

652
00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:29.199
said it here on this book, hetaells I know he

653
00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:33.480
said it over at Antonia's unknown. If anyone disagrees with that,

654
00:39:33.559 --> 00:39:39.199
you can fuck right off get into the fucking space.

655
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:42.719
I don't care. I don't care go somewhere else to

656
00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:46.719
draw line and stay there. That's your border bridge. What

657
00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:51.559
are the things we used to say? But yeah, it's

658
00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:55.039
just ridiculous. But anyway, again, the ground point is, yes,

659
00:39:55.079 --> 00:39:58.440
there should be open borders. I approve of that. But

660
00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:03.840
besides that, one thing is somebody supposedly, you know, crossing

661
00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:07.039
into through this illegal not illegal, this made up border,

662
00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:13.199
and then being hurt by border patrol once they cross

663
00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:15.320
into United States, which again I don't think they should.

664
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:17.320
But that's one thing, right, which again to us is

665
00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:21.360
still wrong. It should be wrong. Yeah, yeah, but that's

666
00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:25.679
one thing, right. An entirely different thing is border patrol

667
00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:30.239
shooting people in Mexico killing people in Mexico. Yeah, that's

668
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:34.840
not your country, bitch. Yeah, And like what, you have

669
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:37.320
no right to kill anyone at all? But what right

670
00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:41.079
do you have to kill somebody in Mexico? And how

671
00:40:41.079 --> 00:40:43.519
do you hold these people accountable? Like now they have

672
00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:46.639
basically impunity, which they always had actually, but now it's

673
00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:49.880
official with the Supreme Court decition, Just like the Supreme

674
00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:52.719
Court decision that said that the police don't actually protect us,

675
00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:56.199
that is into law. People, So stop believing that the

676
00:40:56.280 --> 00:40:59.280
police protect us they don't. They are here to protect

677
00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:02.760
property and the rich, not us, not the people. Port

678
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:06.239
Patrol is not here to protect the supposed border of

679
00:41:06.280 --> 00:41:10.480
the United States. They are here to enact violence and

680
00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:15.320
maintain white supremacy in the United States. Yes, and like

681
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:18.039
I have been saying this whole time, Port Patrol has

682
00:41:18.039 --> 00:41:20.519
a worse record of excessive use of lethal force of

683
00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:25.920
any police agency. They now officially, with this US Supreme

684
00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:29.320
Court decision, they can just continue killing anyone, including US

685
00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:34.320
citizens or any nationality, in cross border shootings without any

686
00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:37.280
fear of ever being held accountable. They are not going

687
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:38.880
to be held accountable. They can just do whatever the

688
00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:42.719
hell they want. And of course, imagine this being reversed.

689
00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:46.480
Imagine Mexican police shooting a US citizen in the US.

690
00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:51.400
Imagine imagine they would be like, they're evading, they're invading

691
00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:54.119
Mexico's and a Meadias and they would be freaking right

692
00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:59.880
about it. Yeah, KBI and KBI is and we're going

693
00:41:59.920 --> 00:42:04.559
to station and just excellent organization. Where did I the

694
00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:07.519
Keynote Border Initiative. They have all these statistics on their

695
00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:10.760
website and also you can donate to them. They provide

696
00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:15.280
you know, assistance for immigrants. But let me screwll back up. Okay.

697
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:19.360
KBI tracks seventy eight complaints filed on behalf of migrants

698
00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:24.159
between twenty ten and twenty twenty two. And of these

699
00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:27.280
seventy eight complaints, ninety five percent of them led to

700
00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:31.920
no proper investigation or disciplinary action. That's almost all of them.

701
00:42:32.119 --> 00:42:36.239
My god, impunity. Hm. Thirty five percent of cases were

702
00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:39.559
recorded in a database with no action taken. Twenty five

703
00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:43.480
percent of cases died, they go, they go, they went nowhere. Okay,

704
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:48.000
Only one percent of complaints resulted in disciplinary action. That

705
00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:53.440
is embarrassing, like nine percent. No law enforcement agencies should

706
00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:58.039
be allowed to act with as much impunity. Yeah. Also,

707
00:42:58.119 --> 00:43:00.800
in some cases it took two years to receive any

708
00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:07.119
response orno acknowledgments of said complaint. Two years if they

709
00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:12.000
receive a response, and yeah, it's like you were just saying,

710
00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:14.559
they shouldn't be allowed to be acting like this. They

711
00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:16.519
shouldn't be allowed to be doing this. But now they

712
00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:22.599
can with even more with the whole US state government

713
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:27.239
behind them. Yeah. Yeah, Now we can have people that

714
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:32.840
are contracted with eyes who allegedly or might possibly be

715
00:43:33.079 --> 00:43:39.920
the people that are pardoned for interruction. Yeah, yeah, and

716
00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:44.599
or bounty hunters, right, because there was a video around

717
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:46.840
February of this year, twenty twenty five, I was going

718
00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:48.639
around about a bounty hunter saying like, well, what are

719
00:43:48.639 --> 00:43:50.519
you going to do to stop us? They're offering us money,

720
00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:53.000
Like like, what are you going to do to protect

721
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:55.840
the people out of some sort of like hearing. They're

722
00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:57.679
like arguing like, if you don't want us to go

723
00:43:57.719 --> 00:43:59.960
after people, give us more money than what they're off

724
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:04.400
for us. Yeah and yeah, I mean now we've seen

725
00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:08.679
countless and her countless stories and seen videos of people

726
00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:16.159
being kidnapped by masked men, uh, even women, people pretending

727
00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:19.519
are not pretending but refusing to to id themselves when

728
00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:23.039
that's supposed to be the law. But they're they're they

729
00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:26.719
know they're above the law. They are they are border patrol.

730
00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:31.280
Yeah yeah, and uh, I mean I feel like we've

731
00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:35.079
said this, but like this violence that you know, we're

732
00:44:35.119 --> 00:44:38.880
now seen in you know, the US proper and also

733
00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:43.840
being brought upon citizens of the United States has always

734
00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:48.559
been a thing towards undocumented people, especially people like you know,

735
00:44:48.679 --> 00:44:51.679
Jose who's killed in Mexico by a border patrol agent.

736
00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:54.320
Like this type of violence is not new, and like

737
00:44:54.360 --> 00:44:58.239
I need people, I need people to see that these

738
00:44:58.239 --> 00:45:00.800
systems shouldn't exist because this, this is what they do.

739
00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:04.199
And like, yeah, now it's like now people are being

740
00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:08.000
afraid because it's happening in US streets. Yeah, but this

741
00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:12.719
has always been a thing. This is their method of

742
00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:18.679
operating islands, and so yeah, they shouldn't exist. I agree.

743
00:45:19.719 --> 00:45:21.599
And I just wanted all of us to be mad

744
00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:26.119
together because again I've been in a state of perpetual anger. Yeah,

745
00:45:26.199 --> 00:45:34.000
over all this, and also I want to recommend if

746
00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:37.400
you want to be even more mad again, all over mad,

747
00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:43.280
mad whatever, stay mad at Border Patrol. Behind the Bastards

748
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:47.960
has older episodes that they recently re released altogether yeah

749
00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:53.800
together as one about border Patrol, and there's some horrendous shit.

750
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:57.320
He mentioned this case right towards in the rear. He

751
00:45:57.400 --> 00:46:00.440
might not, but he talks about other cases because again,

752
00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:04.320
the Border Patrol has a long, long, long history of

753
00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:08.360
enacting violence. And he mentioned that guy was his name.

754
00:46:08.960 --> 00:46:11.159
We did an episode on him. Wait was it here?

755
00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:15.360
I know we mentioned in Barlain, Yeah, Harlan B. Carter

756
00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:20.039
and him shooting Ramon. We talked about it here. For

757
00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:23.079
the true crime portion, and then we talked about his

758
00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:25.840
involvement with Bord Patrol, and then the NRA over added

759
00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:30.599
sort of sent on. Yes, yes, but in that episode

760
00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:38.440
of Behind the Bastards, Robert gets into more crimes against

761
00:46:38.480 --> 00:46:41.199
humanity basically that the Border Patrol has done, and he

762
00:46:41.320 --> 00:46:47.599
talks about horrendous, horrendous things that they've done, including sexual

763
00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:51.800
abuse against children children, including a case where a serial

764
00:46:51.880 --> 00:46:55.360
killer was hired by or work for Border Patrol, which

765
00:46:55.400 --> 00:47:03.119
we will cover, Yeah, including how Border Patrol agents who

766
00:47:03.679 --> 00:47:09.639
did quote excellent during operation went back, how they were

767
00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:16.440
sent to Latin America to train death squads who brought

768
00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:21.000
terror upon a Latin America, so say our people, but

769
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:25.280
it wasn't just unset, it was literally all over Latin America. Yeah, yeah,

770
00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:28.719
and then they want to be mad at the people

771
00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:32.480
who then come migrate over to the United States because

772
00:47:32.599 --> 00:47:37.400
of violence caused not just violence, but like unrest caused

773
00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:40.199
by the United States. Yeah, and that is one thing

774
00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:43.320
that has been really has been pissing me off. And

775
00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:47.840
I've been collecting screen shows just in case. I don't

776
00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:49.679
know if I'll make a video or not, because I've

777
00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:51.599
seen other videos about it. I didn't repost them, so

778
00:47:51.639 --> 00:47:54.400
the information is out there anyway, you know. And we

779
00:47:54.679 --> 00:47:57.800
have also again talked about it, and so have many people.

780
00:47:57.880 --> 00:48:01.960
But there's people arguing, like sayan commenting all over like

781
00:48:02.199 --> 00:48:04.119
why don't they just it's like a few different things.

782
00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:07.199
Why don't they just fix your own countries? Maybe a

783
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:10.000
Mexico except do you want to live in Mexico? And

784
00:48:10.119 --> 00:48:14.760
so any Latin American country? Why does the why is

785
00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:17.679
the United States responsible for? What is it? I saw?

786
00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:19.559
It just pissed me off because I seem like a

787
00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:26.400
various excuse me comments like that, but the way this

788
00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:34.239
specific person worn't it just pissed me off. Another another

789
00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:36.920
dumb comment. You need good leaders that won't sell their enemies,

790
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:40.159
won't sell to their enemies. Okay, here's another one. Okay,

791
00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:42.599
so serious questions. Should America have any boards at all?

792
00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:44.400
Or it should just be a free for all? What's

793
00:48:44.440 --> 00:48:47.159
the ideal? Why does every other country have a right

794
00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:50.960
to sovereignty and national identity? But America should just be

795
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:53.559
the world's sep kitchen. You know why? Because America is

796
00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:58.639
the world's terror because they have enacted violence all over

797
00:48:59.480 --> 00:49:04.960
all over the world, because they have destabilized countries all

798
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:08.480
over the world because they have caused civil wars all

799
00:49:08.519 --> 00:49:10.800
over the world. And you know what happens when other

800
00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:13.800
leaders try to stand up to United States and improve

801
00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:18.400
their countries, they're killed. Yeah, so that's why, and that

802
00:49:18.519 --> 00:49:21.280
is why, yes we do oh so yes, the United

803
00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:24.719
States does oh something to the people that they have

804
00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:26.960
harmed all over the world. And that is another thing

805
00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:30.079
that I keep seeing people And there's only wrong with saying, oh,

806
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:32.360
my parents, my grandparents came here because they want a

807
00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:35.840
better life. But this is not about individual choices. It's

808
00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:39.440
about a system like migration is not a historical and

809
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:42.400
it is not a political We are here because the

810
00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:45.320
United States was in the countries of our parents and

811
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:50.760
our grandparents and people they say that, yes, yeah, forever.

812
00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:53.119
But the thing that makes me the most annoyed about

813
00:49:53.159 --> 00:49:55.239
these kind of comments one there's countries that are it's

814
00:49:55.239 --> 00:49:57.760
so obvious you cannot deny it, like Central literally all

815
00:49:57.800 --> 00:50:02.280
of Central America, Chile, and there's other places that have

816
00:50:02.360 --> 00:50:07.280
been very covertly destabilized where people don't know enough, but

817
00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:10.480
they're still spouting this nonsense about it, like one of

818
00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:14.199
the fix centeral countries, i e. Mexico, who was destabilized,

819
00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:16.519
but it was in a very like not right out

820
00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:21.000
coup like Guatemala. So people are out here like, well,

821
00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:23.599
my parents are from Mexico and they just can't because

822
00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:25.360
they wanted to. Why do you think they needed a

823
00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:26.920
better life. Why do you think they couldn't achieve it

824
00:50:26.960 --> 00:50:30.440
in Mexico? Why why hello, NAFTA, Do you think that

825
00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:32.559
didn't affect people? You think that it costs people to

826
00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:37.800
come over here? Cool? Tired? I'm tired exactly. Yeah, Like

827
00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:41.480
this is a tired of conversation. And people want to

828
00:50:41.519 --> 00:50:45.440
have a blind patriotism for the United States and refuse

829
00:50:45.519 --> 00:50:48.000
to see the facts that are out there. And this

830
00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:52.480
has been like it's factual, not only because like people

831
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:56.159
have looked into this in Latin America have done extensive research,

832
00:50:56.239 --> 00:50:58.920
but guess who admitted it and who released documents about

833
00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:03.239
their involvement in Latin America, the CIA, bitch, Yeah, our

834
00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:06.800
own country has admitted to this shit, and so yes,

835
00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:15.280
they do owe people their country like Kelly, you destroyed

836
00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:19.480
other countries, you caused civil war, and and then they

837
00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:22.440
let other people because they didn't want to admit their

838
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:27.039
role in the civil war. They gave refugee status to

839
00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:30.320
other people that were coming around that time into the country,

840
00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:32.559
but not to Solidorians because they didn't want to admit

841
00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:37.760
the wrongdoing. Yeah. Yeah, like TPS is because of earthquakes,

842
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:40.119
not because of the Civil War. When people were fleeing

843
00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:42.960
the Civil War that was directly caused by the United States,

844
00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:45.639
they couldn't say. The ramifications of the Civil War are

845
00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:49.159
still fell today. So yeah, if people, even if people

846
00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:51.519
are leaving today, you still owe the United States. Oh

847
00:51:51.679 --> 00:51:56.079
those people. Yeah, so I again I say let them

848
00:51:56.239 --> 00:52:00.800
into United States because you owe them, bitch. Yes, okay,

849
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:04.199
I'm done, I'm done. Yes, yes, okay. And again this

850
00:52:04.280 --> 00:52:06.960
is all tied together. These things are ongoing. They have

851
00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:09.079
never ended. They have always been here, and we need

852
00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:11.199
to fight back always. And that's why I wanted to

853
00:52:11.199 --> 00:52:15.280
talk about the case of Jose today, because this happened

854
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:24.679
in twenty twelve. It's not that long ago. No, But

855
00:52:24.760 --> 00:52:27.039
before we go on and on about it, right right,

856
00:52:27.159 --> 00:52:33.400
we can let's do spooky recommendations. Yes, do you have

857
00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:35.840
any I don't have anything, but I want to share

858
00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:38.840
with you something that's made me laugh and cackle this week. Yeah,

859
00:52:38.840 --> 00:52:40.920
so we can do that instead of a spooky recommendation.

860
00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:47.280
So stupid. I don't watch Love Island, so stupid. I

861
00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:50.559
don't watch Love Island, okay, but it just popped up

862
00:52:50.599 --> 00:52:53.880
on TikTok audio of I don't even know her name.

863
00:52:54.760 --> 00:52:56.920
I forgot her name. I knew it, but anyway, she's

864
00:52:56.920 --> 00:52:59.199
a mom, but she doesn't tell anyone she's a mom

865
00:52:59.199 --> 00:53:00.840
in a normal way. She's not like, oh, I have

866
00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:06.599
a daughter. She's like, I'm a mommy. Yeah. And because

867
00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:10.360
Christina's a mom and I send her all the ship,

868
00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:11.960
like all the funny shit that has to do with

869
00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:15.119
like mom, I sent him to her. Hearing it, I

870
00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:17.880
hate she's like, she's like, I'm a mama, and then

871
00:53:17.920 --> 00:53:22.079
the guy she's telling me, he's like and then me.

872
00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:25.119
The worst fucking compilation in the world where it's just

873
00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:29.599
different people saying mamasita or mama or Mommy's so funny.

874
00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:34.679
Laarria Baldwin is in that compilation. But yeah, that has

875
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:38.199
brought me joy this week. And I have been terrorized

876
00:53:38.239 --> 00:53:46.559
by this because I cringe when I hear it, And

877
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:50.199
what I don't you know? Do you have any recommendation?

878
00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:55.880
Do I have any recommendations? No? I finished reading. The

879
00:53:55.920 --> 00:54:00.239
hell was oh I finally read Tender as a Flesh Ooh,

880
00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:04.840
and wow, I wasn't as Denden signed as I was

881
00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:08.360
with Hurricane Season. Oh yeah, this was a different type

882
00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:13.840
of like uneasiness, like just like rossness. At reading all this,

883
00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:17.199
I felt I needed a shower and I was like,

884
00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:23.719
should I stop eating me? Yeah, it wasn't settling. I

885
00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:26.239
will say it wasn't settling, And to say it's one

886
00:54:26.280 --> 00:54:29.159
of my favorites now it feels wrong. But it was

887
00:54:29.199 --> 00:54:31.760
so good and that also feels wrong to say because

888
00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:34.679
it was also horrible at the same time. It was

889
00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:39.440
dystopian in the most dystopian way possible. Yeah, and it's

890
00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:42.920
also not the first book about like people eating people suddenly, right,

891
00:54:43.079 --> 00:54:45.880
Like this is a genre. It's genre is a genre,

892
00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:50.719
but this one is actually I haven't read any other

893
00:54:50.719 --> 00:54:55.239
ones that are genre. Cannibalism my first cannibalism genre. I

894
00:54:55.239 --> 00:54:59.320
think that was also my first cannibalism book. Yeah, and

895
00:54:59.360 --> 00:55:02.039
I have to say I had well didn't have a

896
00:55:02.079 --> 00:55:04.960
good time. You had a time. I had a time.

897
00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:08.320
It was intense. I know a lot of people say

898
00:55:08.679 --> 00:55:17.480
that it's a critique on eating beat and they call

899
00:55:17.559 --> 00:55:21.880
it like vegetarian or Reagan propaganda or whatever. But I

900
00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:24.360
feel like for me, it was more about the things

901
00:55:24.440 --> 00:55:29.320
that we normalize in society, and it's about othering and

902
00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:32.000
who we see as human and who we don't see

903
00:55:32.039 --> 00:55:33.719
as human. To me, that's what it was more about.

904
00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:36.280
And really that's what I got from it too. Yeah.

905
00:55:36.400 --> 00:55:39.119
Maybe it's because we're twins. It could be. It could

906
00:55:39.159 --> 00:55:44.280
also be because we're Latin American, yeah, true, and because

907
00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:47.199
there are a few people, yeah, and we're racialized in

908
00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:50.159
the United States. And you know who I've seen connecting

909
00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:53.880
more to the vegetarian society of aspect side of it

910
00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:58.280
is white people of white people, and Okay, they don't

911
00:55:58.320 --> 00:56:00.519
understand what it's like to be others that don't identify

912
00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:04.719
with that. But yeah, it was. It was very a

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very interesting commentary. A lot to get from it. The

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ending absolutely for some reason, I get like it shocked

915
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me when I read it, as you, but then when

916
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I was like thinking about it, I was like, no,

917
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that actually wasn't surprising because it was being hinted at

918
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the whole throughout the whole book, and not to like

919
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super spoil it, but like you follow this guy. He

920
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works at the processing plan where people are processed as meat.

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And these people, like Carmen was saying, have been othered,

922
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have been and this has been normalized. And again, if

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you look at right now and the times of right now,

924
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what is being normalized? What is being who is being othered? Right?

925
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Because throughout the whole book, this man who works at

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the processing plant is making it a point to say,

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I don't eat people. I don't eat meat because all

928
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meat is people. Now right, I don't eat right, I don't.

929
00:56:55.760 --> 00:56:58.239
He's like even like upholding himself as being better for

930
00:56:58.320 --> 00:57:01.639
not doing that, but all a lot he never describes

931
00:57:01.679 --> 00:57:04.920
what he's doing, like he never sees the people as

932
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people anyway, he still sees them doing them yeah. Yeah,

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And what he does in the end completely makes sense

934
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in the context of him actually never humanizing any of

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the people that he has always been othering. He just

936
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thinks he's better because he's not any of them. And

937
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was that not like liberalism? I think so. And then

938
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I also think it's like he has he's like devoid

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of empathy. I think he's apathetic, as are most people

940
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in this book. I feel so like he he likes

941
00:57:39.119 --> 00:57:41.480
he just acts like he's better than everybody, like yeah,

942
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and he's not. He's not a vegetarian for more reasons.

943
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He's a vegetarian to be better than everyone else around him,

944
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to be superior to them. But at the same time,

945
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he's dehumanizing the tucking shit about everybody around him. Yeah,

946
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and he basically assaults the woman that I was doing

947
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out not to ruin. Sorry, I'm sorry, Yeah, you're right,

948
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but yeah, but he's like a trash person and he

949
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actually is better than everybody, but the whole time he

950
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he's not. And so that's why it's not shocking what

951
00:58:10.280 --> 00:58:11.840
he does. At the end. You have to like pay

952
00:58:11.920 --> 00:58:16.000
attention to the other things he's saying, aside from him

953
00:58:16.199 --> 00:58:19.280
repeating that he doesn't eat right because you you fall

954
00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:21.360
for it for I did. Again, I did think that

955
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he's a good person and that everyone else sucks. But

956
00:58:24.840 --> 00:58:28.960
in reality, like everyone sucks. Yeah, everyone is terrible. No

957
00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:34.960
one has any like good qualities to them nothing. What

958
00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:36.920
I was gonna say, though, it's akin to me to

959
00:58:37.119 --> 00:58:40.679
like people like saying, oh, well, we do want deportations.

960
00:58:40.719 --> 00:58:45.639
We are othering these people because they're criminals, or you know, like,

961
00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:49.400
who are you to humanizing? Who are you othering? Right now?

962
00:58:49.880 --> 00:58:52.639
Is what that made me wonder? And like, what do

963
00:58:52.760 --> 00:58:57.800
I need to like stop? What am I normalizing? Yeah,

964
00:58:57.880 --> 00:58:59.719
he's when I took away. That's a good that's a

965
00:58:59.760 --> 00:59:05.920
good question to leave us with. Yes, yes, but in short,

966
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I do recommend it. Yeah, if you want to be horrified, yes, yeah,

967
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I give it five chicken five human fingers out of

968
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five human fingers. Yes, yes, all right, And with that

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we leave you hoping that you're also angry with us.

970
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And yes, stay Spookie, watch cat. Sorry, stay Spooky. Will

971
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catch everyone next time. Bye Bye. Book Tells is hosted

972
00:59:33.639 --> 00:59:37.039
by Christina and Carmen, produced and edited by Christina, researched

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by Christina Carmen and with the help of Don Shout

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