Sept. 6, 2024

Legends from Campeche and Chiapas and the 1979 Colombia Plane Incident

Legends from Campeche and Chiapas and the 1979 Colombia Plane Incident

Carmen shares legends fom Chiapas and Campeche. The legend of El Sombreron, La Tisigua, La Bruja del Morro and La Cueva del Toro. Cristina talks about a 1979 plane crash that occured in Bogota, Colombia. Marco Fidel Suarez, a disgruntled former air...

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Carmen shares legends fom Chiapas and Campeche. The legend of El Sombreron, La Tisigua, La Bruja del Morro and La Cueva del Toro. Cristina talks about a 1979 plane crash that occured in Bogota, Colombia. Marco Fidel Suarez, a disgruntled former air force mechanic stole a plane in an attempt to crash into his parents house.

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Hi, this is Christina and Carmen, and this is another

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episode of Spooky Tells, a podcast for all things a

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spooky true crime. Most of the time Hunted places things

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like that with the focus on Latin America. Yeah, I

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feel like I don't usually say all that. No, oh

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my bad, it's gonna be a mess today, like I

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already told Carmen. Yeah, we're talking about legends from Campeche

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and gap Us, and then I have a story from Colombia.

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We're doing the triple c's today.

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Wow and also fitting because we are first names start

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would see.

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So it's really like five Yeah. I don't know where

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I'm going with this.

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Yeah, yeah, Columbia, Carmen, Carmen. Okay, So before we get

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into our c lettered subjects, we do have a listener

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story and if you have a story that you want

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to send into the podcast, you can email at Spooky

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Taels at gmail dot com. You can DM it Noney

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of the socials, you can submit it on Discord, you

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can call it a Spooky hotline. There's a lot of

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ways to get us these stories. We love receiving them. Also,

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sorry if I sound sick, and yeah, are you ready

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to read this story. Yeah, I have a guento. I'm

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keeping the sea thing going.

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I love it. I love it.

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Guento from Karen with the k okay, I know the

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kin's yeah okay. Anyway, So Karen says, hello, my name

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is Karen. I just want to say that I love

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your podcast and it is so interesting. I have two

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spooky stories for you guys. The first story my mom

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told me that happened to my uncle who lives in Mexico,

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in Guerero. One day, my uncle was riding his horse.

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Everything was going normal until his horse started screaming and

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running so fast. Oh. Sorry, horses can scream. Yeah, they do,

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like a screeching noise something like you're not gonna do

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it right. No, I don't know what they sound, Okay,

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not really around horses, but I feel like I've seen

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it like in movies or something. I don't know. I

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don't really watch horse movies.

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Okay.

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Oh, like a like a screeching sound. Yeah, you're right,

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that's what I said. Yeah, yeah, no, I had to

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think about it. Yeah. Yeah. Like sometimes like people will

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say stuff, but you have to repeat it to yourself,

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like if you said it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I do that all the time. Don't worry about him.

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Twin my uncle was confused and looked behind him, and

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a black figure with bright red eyes was biting the

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horse's leg and chasing them. Oh my god, I was

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gonna say, is they had chattle negro. But the biding

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I don't know about that. It's not very characteristic of

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a chattle negro and also not very mindful. Yeah, no,

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not at all, biting horses like opposite. He then started

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praying Abamedia like twelve times and checked behind to see

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the figure was still there, but it disappeared afterwards. That's odd,

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extremely odd. So if this black figure with bright red

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eyes is ever chasing you and biding your horse, just

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pray twelve abamedias and you'll be good to go. Yeah,

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I very what's it called when you don't like fully read?

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I skimmed. I skimmed the story before saying it to you,

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and I was like, oh, that must be the chattelneggrol

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because I hadn't seen this biting thing, so I wonder

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if it must have not been very big, then I

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don't know. I don't like it, no, not at all.

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The second story was a story that my dad told

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me that happened to him when he was a teenager.

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For context, my dad grew up in Mexico City. He

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said that there was a lot of brucas walking down

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the street at night holding lamps. Very specific. Yeah, one night,

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when my dad was still a teenager, he was playing

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soccer with my uncle outside in the streets until they

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saw a woman holding a lamp and laughing very creepy

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in a creepy way. Oh. My dad and uncle were scared,

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so they ran back to my grandparents' house, and ever

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since they stopped playing outside at night. I would have

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stopped too, me too, even if it was just a normal,

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like a non like she was just holding her lamp,

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like because it was dark and she's trying to see. Yeah,

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and maybe she was thinking about a joke and she

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laughed a little bit. I don't know, poor lady. But

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it's still what a scared kid me. I still would

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have been like, oh my god, a bruca. She's just

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out there minding her business. And then they run and

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she's like, what's going on? It's something out here and

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it's her something now.

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Yes you.

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Yeah, okay, Well, thank you Karen for your stories. They

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were lovely in a creepy way. Yeah, they were. And

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so I'm wondering what that thing was. I don't like it,

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I said, I don't like it biting the horse thing, yeah,

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because like it doesn't sound like a like that would

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be my second thought would be ade. But they don't

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chase things, do they? Right? And why do they have

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like I mean, like they like to braid horses, like

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like a little braid, but they don't bite horses and

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hang off of them and have red eyes like that's

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not Maybe it's like an evil one there. I don't know.

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Just make you shut up now, Oh my god. Yeah,

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I don't know. I don't know. Okay, today we have

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some different versions of do you come to the and son? Yeah,

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that's how I would refer to him in and then

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also story Oh where you said chiapas and Kampitcha. Yeah, oh,

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I guess we just say we're continuing the Mexican States

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thing that we were doing a while ago, right, right.

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It doesn't really matter though, because we're not really doing

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in order.

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So you're right, there's like things sprinkled here and there

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in between. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess you're right. Okay,

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So legends say and so Breron was once a thief

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who used to rob people on the road, and eventually

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he he fucked around, he found out, and he was

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captured by people that he had done wrong to and

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they tortured him to death. So you know that was

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when he found out. Okay, And because no one claimed

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his body or prayed for his soul, his ghost now

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walks the streets at night, offering riches to his victims

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and scaring them to death.

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Okay. This is different than the version we had shared

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before that was from Gala. I don't remember it. Yeah,

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Guatemalan Virgin.

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He's like this almost the one the like figure like sure,

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has a hat, serenades young girls with the guitar. Oh

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that's right, I remember the guitar thing. So one version

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of the legend describes and Sombredon as a tall man

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who wears an elegant black suit with gold buttons and

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large black boots. That sounds like a chatto negro. Oh well, anyway,

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this is an elegant black suit. But if you want

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to see his face, you're out of luck because and

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som Bredona makes sure to cover his identity behind his

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large black hat, and he then walks the streets of

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San Fernando, Chiapas looking for his next victim. When he

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comes across a possible victim, he offers the victim of

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Riches an eternal life if they're able to stare at

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him in the eyes. But the moment that the victims

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try to do that, he paralyzes them and he makes

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sure they're not able to move or run away from him,

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and then he feeds off that person's energy until he

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sucks the soul out of his victim very de mentor yeah,

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And once he can be he drains the victim's energy.

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He then leaves them in a distant location, far away

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from where he initially encountered them. Some say that people

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even summon sore On themselves and they sell their soul

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to him in exchange for favors. But if they decide

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they no longer want to lose their soul, it said

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that these people kidnap children to sacrifice their soul instead.

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Wow.

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Yeah, so then that's why a lot of parents hide

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their kids when they think it sombred On will be

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coming around. And is there any indication of when that

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will be here? Is It's just like, how do they know?

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I don't know?

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I don't know.

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When they're supposed to hide their kids, hide their wife,

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they forget what the whole thing is. I don't know.

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Actually it's a good question. Well that's horrifying.

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Yeah. So like you said, hydro kids, hydro wife. Forgot

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the rest too.

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You don't need to say toga.

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If you were to remember it, all of it, maybe

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I know you could repeat it, but like I said,

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I need to repeat things if I said it and

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then like steal it like you said it.

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Yeah, yeah, Barry Michael scot coated a compliment.

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No, I'm you saying when people write parentheses derogatory. That

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was it right now to me? Okay. So in the

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other another version is Brenon is a lot nicer, so

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hopefully people run into this version of so. According to

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this version, he only goes after people who try to

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destroy nature or harm animals. And for those who don't

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know how to respect nature or are unlucky enough to

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come across L. Brenon, they'll usually come across him on

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his horse while he roams the streets of Tuila Gutierrez, Chiapas.

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So.

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The second version also says that Isambreron is a top

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figure with an elegant and black suit and large black

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boots whose face is hidden by his large hat. And

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like in the first version, he also paralyzes his victims,

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making it hard for them to run away. He's and

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unbearable shockwaves through the bodies of those who dare mess

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with mother nature. Ooh that sounds uncomfortable. Yeah to say

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the least. Oh and there's another version.

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Oh my gosh. Okay three.

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So this is a shorter version of the legend and

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mostly focuses on female victims. So according to this version,

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and Sore prefers to kidnap women. I feel like I

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remember you guys seen something like that in the Guatemala version, right, Yeah,

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this might be like the Guatemala version. We'll see when

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he tries to court a victim. El Smbredon will approach

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you women and seduce her by offering her beautiful jewelry,

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and once the woman agrees to go away with him,

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he takes her to a hitting cave where she will

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never be seen again.

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Ooh, yeah, that sounds like the one from Glatemala.

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He lures them with his guitar. Am like misremembering like

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another legend. No, there was a guitar Yeah, there was

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a guitar in the Guatemala. Yeah, he like serenades them

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and then won't let them sleep because he's you know,

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playing his guitar all night, and that they like look

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for women, young women to seduce. Out of all of those,

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I'd rather run into the second one because you know what,

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I don't mess with nature. I would be safe, so

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it would be a non issue. Yeah, you'll never catch

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me harmin an animal. So next we have the legend

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of La di Sigua. In Chiapas, there's a figure that

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roamsa street called Lat di Sigua. This figure resembles another

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popular Mexican legend known and we all know her Nayona

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a fave. Oh yes, our home girl, our queen, are

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maligned woman. So she's a pale, beautiful woman who has

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long brown hair and she usually hangs out by the

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Sabina River. La di Sigua or Sigua is known for

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and I love because we don't know how pronounce it.

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So Laticia is known for using her beauty and powers

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of seduction to reel in her victims. And it's said

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that she'll usually clap and call her next victims. That's

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so scary copping just scares me. So she'll she'll clap,

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I'm sorry, I didn't finish, so you need to sub this, Okay,

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I'm sorry. She'll clap and then call her next VI

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him's name, and they run to her, unable to control

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their desire for her. And just like the thought of

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the clapping just makes me think of the movie, you know,

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like when they're playing hide and seek and then she's like, ah,

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you know, I don't like it. Yeah movie, does it

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like The Conjuring or something like that.

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I think so? The a movie with kids and a

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haunted house.

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Yeah. So she only lures men who misbehave in society,

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so again we're safe.

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There's a story of a man who fell victim to her,

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named Matteo. Matteo no so. He was a young man

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who didn't listen to his mother when he tried to

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warn him not to spend too much time in the river.

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So make sure you tell him. Yeah. It all started

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on one Sunday afternoon when Matteo went to the Sabinal

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River to shout before a celebration he was attending that evening.

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When he got to the river, Mattel took off its

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clothes and went into the water, and he soon began

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to hear shrieks that grew louder, and he tried to

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play it off, you know how one does, like that

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was nature. Yeah, like all those streaks are nothing. Yeah,

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I was gonna say that was just a bird, no worries.

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But he couldn't help it, and he went to go

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look for what that noise was coming from. Where it

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was coming from, And as he began to step out

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of the water, a beautiful woman with pale skin appeared

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before him. She was so radiant and gorgeous. I sound

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like a means going to say gorgeous. I don't know.

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That's oh my god. And he started fine until you

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pointed it out. Sorry, So she was so rating and gorgeous. Yeah,

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and now I can I can only hear sarcasm when

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you say the word gorgeous. Okay, So she was gorgeous.

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It sounds like you know, man, she was so gorgeous

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that her beauty stopped him in his tracks and he

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couldn't con throw his body anymore. Instead, he staid paralyzed

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looking at the woman. She smiled and began to walk

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into the woods, and then he was intoxicated by her

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intrigued intoxicated, and yeah, he followed her into the woods

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because he didn't listen to his mom. So this woman

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is swayed through the forest effortlessly, while Matteo had a

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tumultuous time getting through the branches, so he was not

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like effortless. She's like, she's like walking through the branches.

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And he said, she's doing that, like like branch at

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the branch had in his face and he's like, she's

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just walking like through them, and it's because she's a ghost.

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But he didn't know that she was actually not even walking.

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She was floating. She was kind of like floating.

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Her feet were not touching the ground feet actually effortless.

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It meant that she actually wasn't moving her legs at all. No, no,

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she was gliding and floating. And so then the woman

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turned and stared at Matel and with the sudden leap,

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she jumped back into the water and he was unable

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to control himself, so he ran after her and dove

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into the water, and he followed her again. He would

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get close to her and she would pull away and

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swim further faster, luring him away even further. Yeah, terrible.

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So the woman seemed to have been enjoying this because

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she let her at laugh next. I mean, it sounds

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a little fun flirting with the strange woman in the forest,

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chasing her. Yeah, just as he got closer, she gets

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further away. I don't know, I mean it sounds like

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a fun time for her. Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's having

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a good time. So then she I guess mydell caught

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up to her, and she filled his hat with water

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and then like dropped it on his head. And then

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she laughed and vanished into thin air. And he was

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left days and confused, but so desperate to find her

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that he went looking for her again. And I guess

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he didn't think about how she just vanished into thin air.

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It didn't matter. Yeah, he realized he would never be

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able to find her again, so he went home, but

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he was never the same again. Of course, his mother

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found him a few days later, talking to himself and

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begging on the streets, looking for the women who showed

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him the intoxicating smile he couldn't forget about. Oh oh,

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I know, Oh.

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That's not good.

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A lot of locals do still avoid spending too much

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time in Sabina river. But a lot of people just

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believe this story was made up by adults to keep

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children from playing in the water too long, which most

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of these stories are, you know, to keep people away from,

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like I don't know, the river dangerous places to.

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Not go out at night.

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Yeah, I was gonna come home at a reasonable hour, Like,

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because if you're not home by this time, is going

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to get you. Yeah.

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Yeah, not down to strange men, down.

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To the devil. Listen to your parents, you know, don't

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sneak out of your house go dance with the devil.

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Yeah, okay.

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So this is the story of Labruca, the del Moro

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from Campechen, where the locals believe that a long time ago,

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an evil sorcerer who did GUIs himself as a human

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was devouring families whole. Oh so, over the years, locals

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have told the story of how whole families who lived

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in Moros would disappear overnight. Residents at first tried to

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rationalize the situation and told themselves that perhaps the families

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had just moved without saying goodbye. But as time went on,

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the families continued to disappear, so the residents were convinced

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that some sort of evil had overtaken their community, and

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they hired a sorcerer known for only working with good

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magic to figure out what's happening to the families. After

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a few days of investigating, the sorcerer came back and

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told the residents that there was an evil figure visiting

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the town every night and eating the families.

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That's a lot of food.

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I guess he's never fun. Yeah. The sorcerer warned residents

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that this being is known as La vica Isha wu

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oh that sounds scary, and so this being disguised themselves

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as a human so he won't be caught, and the

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only way to catch him is when he's devouring a

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human and the act. So since that's the only time

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he sheds his skin, yeah, sheds his skin.

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Ew.

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Yeah, that's gross. It reminds me of the book The

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Vampires Layer book Club whatever the hell is called. You know,

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I'm talking about Guy to Slain. Oh, yeah, the Southern

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Southern Woman's Guide to in that book the Vampire when

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he's feeding. It's like so discussing and I listened to it.

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The Southern Book clubs Guy to Slay Vampires. We really

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very close. Yeah, in that book The Vampire like the

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way it feeds. It's so discussing, like it's it seems

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like something comes out of it sort of and like

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impels I guess the victim. And so the only way

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like he looks normal otherwise and just that thing that

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comes out of him when he's feeding.

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Wow.

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Yeah, very gross. So, with the hope of stopping the monster,

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the townspeople came up with the plan to capture or

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kill it, and so a few days later, while the

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plan was still being worked out, a very humble, elderly

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woman knocked on the door of one of the townspeople's homes,

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and the old lady, who looked freh and sad, asked

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the family who lived in the home if she could

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stay with them for the nights, and she was on

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the road and then they went missing, and that was

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the last thing they ever did, and they were never

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seen again. And so they under stayed because you know,

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it's just a little wikita, Yeah, like harmless. You know,

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what is she gonna do? Yeah, but them the sorcerer

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was there. He was around and he oh he was.

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Inside the house.

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Yeah, he was around. I don't know. He felt that

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something was off and he began to notice that overnight,

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the family members started complaining of stomach aches, and one

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by one they went to the bathroom, which was you know,

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like an outhouse, and then they never returned. So he's like, hmm,

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how big is this family? That like one by one

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like maybe there's like ten of them. Yeah, And so

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like by number four, he's like, okay, what's going on? Yeah,

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there was sylph of another five labsent or not six.

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I can't do it. So the Sorcerer then went to

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the old ladies room to check if she knew something,

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because he's like, something's up. But when he opened the door,

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he only found the human skin that she had a shed.

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So then the Sorcerer quickly took the demonic monster's skin

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and covered it in salt. Salt secures everything. That's why

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I love it in my food now. Yeah, And honestly,

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more salt is always the answer, except when it's too salty. No,

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It's so funny because like I'll go eat somewhere and

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like people complain, oh this is so salty, and I'm like, hmm,

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this is a perfect amount of salt. Okay. So anyway,

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he covered it in salt, and then he took vines

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paryed and threw holy water on them and cast it

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a spell on the vines. And and after he was done,

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he rushed into the bathroom where he saw the monster

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with its mouth open wide eating one of the family members.

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Gross.

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Oh my god. So then the sorcerer quickly took the

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vines he had cast it a spell on and wrapped

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them around the monster. And the vines turned into chains.

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And they caught the monster. Okay, and it was the

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old lady. Yeah. They moved it into the caves of

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Seba Beach, wearing drowned. Before it died, the monster yelled

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that it would return to sec revenge against the town.

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So the local people.

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And the fishermen warned to stay away from the cave

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because it said that those who go near the cave

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never come back. Oh no, and they're devoured by l I.

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Wonder what it looked like when it shed its like

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human skin, old lady's skin.

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I don't know, we'll never know. Yeah, we have one more. Wow,

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every time I thought you were done, there's one more.

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Yeah, this is a lot.

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This is like. I love cave stories. So one day

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in neighborhood of a San Roman Campecha. Multiple young ladies

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began to disappear at the same time.

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A man.

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At the same time, a handsome man that nobody knew

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where he was from, moved into the neighborhood. Red flag,

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young ladies disappearing, and a new young man like, come on, yeah,

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so he was a cutie. So he got popular among

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the ladies and people in high places, high society, if

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you will. Also, around this time, people started hearing a

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wolf like howl almost every time. And every time I

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heard this howl, a woman would disappeared the next day.

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I'm like clockwork. So then the people were like, this

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is like a pattern, Like we're like clocking this now

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like clockwork, right, So they they got together one night

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and they decided to look for where this sound was

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coming from and see if had anything to do with

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the disappearances. So then they approached a cave where the

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howl was coming from, and they came across a man

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with the head of a bull. Oh not what I

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was expecting. I was expecting a wolf. I was within

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a were wolf.

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Yeah. So they were like, what the fuck?

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And they ran back home and they found out the

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next day that another woman had gone missing. So then

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they're like, what should we do about this bull wolf

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combo situation. They realized that all the missing women had

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one thing in common besides being young women, was that

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they had come and caught.

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They had two things in common.

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They came into contact with this stranger. Okay, the kutka

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there it is sorry, Okay. So then they followed the

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stranger around and then they realized that he lives in

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the cave, and so they're like, this is it.

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This is him, this is it. This is the bull

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face wolf.

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So then yeah, that they realized they need to stop

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him or more women would go missing. It said that

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the creature would ask the women to meet him at

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the cave at night, and he would propose to them

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before he killed them. Oh that's a little too fast

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where they say, yes, I don't know because he killed them.

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You're right, You're right, I don't ever know.

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Another thing will never know. And then another version of

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the story says that the creature would ask women to

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meet him at the cave at midnight. While they were

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waiting for him, instead this bull thing would come out

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and attack them. Wow, so he would never show up, Well,

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he would show well, yeah, but his other outfit the bull.

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Yeah wow, okay.

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So then the people were mad about this creature, and

457
00:23:45.400 --> 00:23:50.039
you know, a mob formed pitchforks and all love it. Yeah,

458
00:23:50.039 --> 00:23:52.400
And so they found him in the cave. They attacked

459
00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:55.880
him and yanked his heart out. Oh okay. And so

460
00:23:55.920 --> 00:23:59.119
then it said that yanking the creature's heart caused a

461
00:23:59.160 --> 00:24:03.759
major storm flooded the cave. And though the bull has

462
00:24:03.799 --> 00:24:07.000
been dead for years, locals say that they still hear

463
00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:10.960
his howls at night. Wow to bull's howl or only

464
00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:11.599
this bull?

465
00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:14.400
I feel like they don't. Yeah, okay, that's what I thought.

466
00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:19.880
If mysterious young man, no matter how hot he was,

467
00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:21.680
I don't think I would meet him at a cave

468
00:24:21.680 --> 00:24:25.519
at mid night. The lesson here is, do not meet

469
00:24:25.799 --> 00:24:30.400
any man anywhere I'm in night, especially not in a

470
00:24:30.440 --> 00:24:33.799
cave in the wild. No. Yeah, Or don't be a

471
00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:37.200
man that turns into a bowl. Well, that's just impossible.

472
00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:40.799
We can't tell the man what to do, right, especially

473
00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:43.200
now they turn into bulls. Yeah, yeah, we have to

474
00:24:43.240 --> 00:24:48.000
look inward. Okay, I guess maybe because of the time

475
00:24:48.039 --> 00:24:50.000
it's there would be no other meeting place, And so

476
00:24:50.400 --> 00:24:53.519
meeting at a cave was perfectly fine, I don't know, true,

477
00:24:53.640 --> 00:24:56.839
we don't know. Yeah, plus he lived there, so yeah,

478
00:24:57.039 --> 00:25:01.319
that's his house. Actually it's not a cave. I don't know. Okay,

479
00:25:01.319 --> 00:25:03.640
on that. No, let's take a quick air break and

480
00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:09.559
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499
00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:36.440
we're back. We're right from our break and I feel

500
00:26:36.440 --> 00:26:38.720
like I sound more congested as time goes on, So

501
00:26:38.839 --> 00:26:41.599
I'm sorry if I sound worse. Yeah, that's true. By

502
00:26:41.640 --> 00:26:44.960
Sudafed is wearing off. So yeah, you do sound worse.

503
00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:49.119
I sound like Chucky from Progress, Yeah you do. My bad.

504
00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:52.880
All right, Well, I am telling you about a crime

505
00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:56.319
case from Columbia because we're keeping it at sea today

506
00:26:56.519 --> 00:27:01.960
in the sense that it happened in Columbia. So playing trimes, hijackings, crashes,

507
00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:06.119
they've always fascinated me because we fly a lot, right,

508
00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:08.839
and it's apparently one of the most like safest things

509
00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:12.079
to do when the safest mod modes of transportation. I've

510
00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:15.839
heard that before. Driving is definitely worse. Yeah, there was

511
00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:20.319
an MIT Massachusetts Institute of Technology. There was a study

512
00:27:20.359 --> 00:27:23.359
that went from twenty eighteen to twenty twenty two that

513
00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:26.839
said the chances of being as a passenger of being

514
00:27:26.920 --> 00:27:29.599
killed on a flight anywhere in the world is one

515
00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:31.200
in thirteen point four million.

516
00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:33.799
Oh wow, yeah, which is super safe.

517
00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:36.799
And years ago, between nineteen sixty eight and nineteen seventy seven,

518
00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:39.880
it was one in three hundred and fifty thousand. So

519
00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:43.480
still not like a lot, but more, you know, more

520
00:27:43.519 --> 00:27:46.200
than now. I mean, despite all the things with Boeing

521
00:27:46.279 --> 00:27:49.359
that were happening in a few months ago, it's still

522
00:27:49.400 --> 00:27:51.920
one of the safest modes of transportation. There's no research

523
00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:54.240
on if you're not on the plane but you die

524
00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:56.599
because of a plane, there's no research on that. If

525
00:27:56.640 --> 00:27:59.680
you're not on the plane but you die from the

526
00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:03.200
plane from a plane, yeah, kilty ash like where you're

527
00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:06.359
at or something, but you're not a plane. Yeah, okay,

528
00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:10.319
that's even more rare. But unfortunately for the residents of

529
00:28:10.519 --> 00:28:14.400
the Marco fidel Is neighborhood in Bota, Colombia, Oh wow,

530
00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:15.839
it was.

531
00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:19.400
And I only laughed because I'm like, how safe it is?

532
00:28:20.200 --> 00:28:22.440
Yeah, because it was so ridiculous how I got rived here,

533
00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:23.440
and I'm so sorry for that.

534
00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:25.200
Yeah, but it became their reality.

535
00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:26.000
Oh my god.

536
00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:29.079
You can't even prevent that, I guess besides not.

537
00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:30.119
Living near I don't know.

538
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:30.640
I don't even know.

539
00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:31.720
I'll just let you get into it.

540
00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:32.920
Yeah, okay.

541
00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:35.880
So, and also, it happened on August twenty second, nineteen

542
00:28:35.880 --> 00:28:38.799
seventy nine. What oh this what I'm talking about happened

543
00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:42.880
on August twenty second, nineteen seventy nine. Okay, sorry, I

544
00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:45.799
just heard August twenty second, and I got distracted because

545
00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:48.640
you know, it's a special day, it's our birthday. Yeah,

546
00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:52.880
but this tragedy happened on our birthday. Oh no, okay.

547
00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:55.960
So olive Up was woken up when her son Pablo

548
00:28:56.039 --> 00:28:58.160
brought her some chocolates a share with his seven year

549
00:28:58.200 --> 00:29:01.079
old sister Janith. But they think to eat the chocolates.

550
00:29:01.160 --> 00:29:05.920
Oh no, I started to stop. I need to stop

551
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:09.039
starting starting like stories like this because then it's like, oh,

552
00:29:09.039 --> 00:29:13.000
that's so sweet, and then it's like but then yeah,

553
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:15.839
and then this thing ruined that starts for me.

554
00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:17.160
Yeah, I apologize.

555
00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:19.400
So they didn't get to eat the chocolates because then

556
00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:22.440
they heard very loud noises outside, and they all went

557
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:24.480
to go see what was going on. The family opened

558
00:29:24.519 --> 00:29:28.920
their door and it was abnormally hazy, gray and smoky outside,

559
00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:32.960
and so once they were like, what's going on, because

560
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:35.680
there's something weird out here, their house shook and there

561
00:29:35.720 --> 00:29:38.640
was a loud explosion followed by screams, and so they

562
00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:41.000
ran away from their house. They didn't look back, and

563
00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:43.079
so they ran and they didn't even notice that their

564
00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:45.839
house had been destroyed because the plane crashed into it.

565
00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:50.160
Olivia thought the world was ending, and that's because death

566
00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:53.559
had fallen from the sky. The Pulido family was lucky

567
00:29:53.559 --> 00:29:56.400
to be alive because the plane missed them. Another three

568
00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:59.720
in the neighborhood were killed on the tragic day. Seventeen

569
00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:03.119
years old Oscar Armando Romero Acosta was in the shower

570
00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:06.599
on the morning of the twenty second. He was preparing

571
00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:10.759
to head to his classes at the Instituto Electronico the IDIOMSS,

572
00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:13.680
the school he was attending in Bogota, and so as

573
00:30:13.759 --> 00:30:16.680
he was showering, a propeller from the plane crashed into

574
00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:19.200
his bathroom and it hit him in the process. He

575
00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:24.599
died instantly, and then sixty five year old Mola heard

576
00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:27.000
sounds that morning, and she went to open her door

577
00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:29.279
to see what was going on. The second she opened

578
00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:32.640
her door, the wind from the plane's propeller through her

579
00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:36.000
so far and hard that she died the moment she

580
00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:38.519
hit the ground. Oh my god. And then there was

581
00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:40.720
a third victim that I was unable to find any

582
00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:44.200
information on unfortunately, like not a name or how they died,

583
00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:46.400
just that there was another person that died, and I

584
00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:48.440
thought it was maybe the pilot, but it was not.

585
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:50.799
That he's the fourth person that died on that day.

586
00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:54.519
So after the fires were put out, investigators were able

587
00:30:54.599 --> 00:30:57.880
to assess the damages. There were four dead, including the pilot,

588
00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:03.880
six injured with grave injuries required hospitalization, and then fourteen

589
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:07.200
families whose homes were destroyed. One of the injured that

590
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:10.200
survived the crash. Her name was Isabel Bueno. She was

591
00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:12.640
renting a room from the Pulido family and she was

592
00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:14.920
still inside when they ran out of the house. The

593
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:17.559
plane knocked down the wall in her room and it

594
00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:22.720
had passed right above her, and she, oh my god, safe, yeah, wild.

595
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:27.759
And there were destroyed houses, destroyed power lines, fires, just

596
00:31:28.240 --> 00:31:33.480
houses in rubble and police, firefighters, ambulances and units from

597
00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:36.480
the Colombian Civil Defense were on site.

598
00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:40.559
The total cost of the accident was eighty two billion dollars.

599
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:42.839
And I'm sorry. I feel like I sound more adjusted

600
00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:44.839
as I continued talking to them. I'm so sorry.

601
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:47.440
So it took some tie, but first us brothers were

602
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:50.640
able to uncover the body of the man piloting the

603
00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:53.400
plane that had crashed down on the Marco Fi del

604
00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:57.759
Sus neighborhood. He was twenty three year old Armando no Haramillo,

605
00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:00.039
and not much is known about his early life and

606
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:02.000
if other than that he was born on May nineth,

607
00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:04.920
nineteen fifty seven. After news of the crash broke, there

608
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:07.880
was a lot of rumors that started, things like, oh,

609
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:11.799
he was an alcoholic, he had anger issues, he was

610
00:32:11.920 --> 00:32:15.039
mentally unstable, and his parents have got on the record

611
00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:17.240
and said none of that was true. He wasn't an alcoholic,

612
00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:21.839
he wasn't mentally unstable. But his schoolmates and co workers disagree.

613
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:24.759
It seems that most of the people that describe him

614
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:30.000
say that he had very strong emotions. Interesting, so his

615
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:32.680
schoolmates and co workers all describe him as someone with

616
00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:35.640
anger issues that just like anything would set him off.

617
00:32:35.720 --> 00:32:39.039
He'd be like normal one moment and then just insanely

618
00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:42.599
angry the next moment, and that his anger got him

619
00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:45.359
in trouble a lot. He joined the Colombian Air Force

620
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:48.519
at some point, and he had problems there too. There

621
00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:51.359
was one incident where he screamed at a pilot that, oh,

622
00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:53.599
you think you're special because you drive one of these

623
00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:55.480
as in a plane, and he was like, I can.

624
00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:58.839
Do that, too. Interesting, but that's a very skilled thing.

625
00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:00.839
You can't just hop on it. And you know.

626
00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:03.079
But he was a pilot, wasn't he. No, No, he

627
00:33:03.160 --> 00:33:06.759
was a mechanic. Oh, oh, he was a He thought

628
00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:08.480
he was a pilot that day, but no, he was

629
00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:11.200
not a pilot. Oh no, this whole time with that

630
00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:13.640
was a pilot. No, I haven't said what he worked at.

631
00:33:13.720 --> 00:33:17.000
He worked as a mechanic. Oh, okay, in the Colombian

632
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:20.079
Air Force. He was a Oh plane mechanic. I heard

633
00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:24.799
air force, heard plane. I assumed, yeah, And honestly, because

634
00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:27.359
he was piloting the plane on that day, that a crash,

635
00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:27.799
you could.

636
00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:30.079
I think it's a safe assumption except for the facts.

637
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:34.079
He crashed, So I don't know anyway.

638
00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:39.559
And I heard a reenactment of him insulting the pilot like, oh,

639
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:42.279
I can drive one of these two in Spanish and

640
00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:45.440
it evolved. But you know, like in other countries, they

641
00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:48.119
say it all together, not just separate like equas, Like

642
00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:50.880
I can't even say equaluda how.

643
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:56.759
Like without the like equauta. Oh oh, well you didn't.

644
00:33:57.119 --> 00:33:59.839
We explained it. It didn't make sense one how did

645
00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:02.519
I thought it made sense? So they say it without

646
00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:04.480
the there, Okay, I guess I could have said that.

647
00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:06.240
You said, they say it all together, and I'm like,

648
00:34:06.440 --> 00:34:11.880
maybe it's all together. Okay, just go on, okay, okay, okay,

649
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:15.280
my bad, all right. One Air Force member described him

650
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:18.960
as having personality issues and anchor issues, and there's got

651
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:21.440
to make trouble a lot obviously, because you know, not

652
00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:24.719
only was he having these explosive like arguments, but also

653
00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:27.639
he just disregarded rules. It's like he had a problem

654
00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:30.280
with authority on rules. He refused to get a haircut

655
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:34.320
that followed Air Force regulations like you you gotta like

656
00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:37.719
come on, yeah, and then he would go a wall.

657
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:39.840
Once in a while, he would just go missing, like

658
00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:42.880
how long was he in the Air Force for? Like

659
00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:45.719
I'm surprising to kick his ass out? Yeah, I couldn't

660
00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:47.880
find an exact time, but it seems like more than

661
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:50.480
a year, but less than three years. Oh okay, so

662
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:52.519
not a long time, but honestly a little too long.

663
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:55.280
Yeah for the how like the amount of issues that

664
00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:59.079
were how people described him. Yeah, so he had been

665
00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:01.480
gone for four days and then this is when the

666
00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:04.039
Air Force was just very tired of him, and some

667
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:06.440
sources that I read said he was kicked out at

668
00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:08.800
this point. Others sort of say that the Air Force

669
00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:11.199
didn't kick him out, but they just moved him to

670
00:35:11.320 --> 00:35:13.440
work at a civilian airport so that he wouldn't be

671
00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:15.920
their problem, although I don't know how that works, because

672
00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:18.639
like he would technically still be their problem, he just

673
00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:21.199
wouldn't they wouldn't see him as often, but like he

674
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:23.199
still would be in the air or no, no, no,

675
00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:26.639
he's not parently sorry, he's only air Force. He's still

676
00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:31.039
Oh yeah, So he was sent to work for Stina,

677
00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:34.719
which is a government owned airline at the Bogota Airport.

678
00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:36.480
But it wasn't any better there.

679
00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:39.679
He was still getting in frequent arguments with his coworkers

680
00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:41.920
and he was the only Air Force member there and

681
00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:43.599
apparently I don't know if they still do it, but

682
00:35:43.719 --> 00:35:47.159
at the time, all Air Force members received the revolver

683
00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:50.320
as part of their uniform, and so he had a

684
00:35:50.559 --> 00:35:55.559
military issued revolver with him. He had weapons, yeah, yeah,

685
00:35:55.920 --> 00:35:59.039
and he loved to show his coworkers that he had it.

686
00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:01.440
He'd like flash all the time, like but you say

687
00:36:01.480 --> 00:36:03.440
to me and just like pull his like, you know,

688
00:36:03.639 --> 00:36:06.440
shirt up to show that it was there. So you know,

689
00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:08.599
I mean, like the last thing you want is for

690
00:36:08.679 --> 00:36:12.519
someone with the temple thing like that. Yeah, to have

691
00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:16.920
a revolver at all times. So there was one incident

692
00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:20.320
that was too much. It was too far. On December fifteenth,

693
00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:24.400
nineteen seventy eight, two airline mechanics went to fuel an airplane.

694
00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:27.039
This made him mad because he wanted to do it.

695
00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:29.960
He was arguing that he had gotten there first and

696
00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:32.880
he was supposed to fuel the plane and it's like,

697
00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:34.639
come on, there's going to be another one to fuel.

698
00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:36.239
Stop, Like this is.

699
00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:40.480
Your job, right, yeah, you could just do the next one,

700
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:43.679
right right, But no, So he was mad at this

701
00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:46.480
and he pulled out his revolver and he was aiming

702
00:36:46.519 --> 00:36:49.400
at them, and so this was considered the last straw.

703
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:52.159
He was suspended after this incident, and then he was

704
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:55.280
officially fired kicked out of the Air Force on January tenth,

705
00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:58.760
nineteen seventy nine, and some of his command believed that

706
00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:01.519
him being kicked out out is what led him to

707
00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:04.480
do what he did in August. But nobody really knows

708
00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:08.000
his motives because this was seven months after. Yeah, he

709
00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:11.559
was fired, and seven months later the plane crash happened,

710
00:37:11.719 --> 00:37:14.519
so others believed that it wasn't He didn't do it

711
00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:17.679
as revenge for being having been fired. He wanted to

712
00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:19.760
prove that he could fly a plane too, But so

713
00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:23.760
why seven months like later? That's it doesn't make sense. Yeah,

714
00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:27.199
it sounds like he like holds scrunches or something. That's true,

715
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:29.880
And so many point to the argument he had with

716
00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:31.519
the pilot when he was in the Air Force that

717
00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:33.760
he argued that he could fly a plane too, that

718
00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:36.400
the pilot wasn't special, and that's why he did it.

719
00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:40.320
Once authorities learn who he was, they reported it was

720
00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:43.239
the reason he did it, The reason he stole the aircraft.

721
00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:46.039
The plane was to crash into his parents' house because

722
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:48.480
he hated them. But also this also doesn't make sense

723
00:37:48.519 --> 00:37:51.039
because he was financially dependent on them. Well, he could

724
00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:54.280
still hate them and be financially dependent on them, that's true.

725
00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:58.320
Maybe maybe they had a will or inheritance, I would

726
00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:01.239
go to him. I'm just speculating here, that's true. So yeah,

727
00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:04.039
it could be. In the end, nobody really knows why

728
00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:07.920
he did it. There's no known reason, nothing was written down.

729
00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:10.559
I mean, maybe you were just an angry person who

730
00:38:11.159 --> 00:38:14.639
wanted to harm people, right, So what happened on that day,

731
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:17.960
On the early morning of August twenty second, nineteen seventy nine,

732
00:38:18.280 --> 00:38:21.039
at five thirty am, at Mando snuck into a hangar

733
00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:25.800
at the El Dorado International Airport in Bogata. And like, again,

734
00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:28.159
we can't know if his plan from the beginning was

735
00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:31.480
to crash the airplane or if he was even intending

736
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:33.920
to seal the airplane. Maybe he was just there because

737
00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:35.440
he wanted to go out of no fight. Like, we

738
00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:38.440
don't know why he was there. But when he got inside,

739
00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:41.639
he saw that the hope is empty, and so he

740
00:38:41.719 --> 00:38:44.920
went straight to an airplane like there's no security, damn.

741
00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:48.880
So he got inside a Hawker Siddley HS seven four

742
00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:52.760
eight someplane which happened to be on the runway already.

743
00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:55.119
The plane was missing half an engine because it was

744
00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:57.840
being worked on and still he didn't matter to him.

745
00:38:57.840 --> 00:38:59.960
He turned it on and then he began to operate.

746
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:03.119
When an air traffic controller spotted the moving plane, the

747
00:39:03.159 --> 00:39:06.159
air traffic controller called for firefighters to block the plane,

748
00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:08.760
but by the time they had arrived it was too late.

749
00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:12.719
Armando had already lifted off the runway, and soon after takeoff,

750
00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:15.599
Adam on the contacted air traffic control and stated, I

751
00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:19.440
am third warrant Officer Nieto of the Air Force. Don't

752
00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:22.679
try anything. This plane is hijacked and I am armed.

753
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:25.079
Apparently that part was true. He was armed.

754
00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:29.159
Somehow he kept his military issued revolver. I don't know.

755
00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:31.599
Oh wow, I don't know. But he wasn't a chief

756
00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:34.079
warrant officer. This is like a very like that's what

757
00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:37.119
pilots are, they are chief warrant officers. If it's similar

758
00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:40.440
to army rankings, because the US Army, that's who pilots,

759
00:39:40.599 --> 00:39:44.880
the helicopters, and chief warrant officers and mechanics are lower

760
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:47.920
like when you're barely started out, you're a lower enlisted person,

761
00:39:48.079 --> 00:39:50.719
so like E one, three, four, you know, and then

762
00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:53.400
an enlisted officer is an E five, so like a

763
00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:56.039
sergeant junior officer whatever you want to call it, a

764
00:39:56.239 --> 00:39:59.280
noncommissioned officer, Like those are all the same thing, really,

765
00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:01.800
So there was some reports that said he was a

766
00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:04.880
non commissioned officer, but I don't know someone that has

767
00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:07.519
that many problems. I just don't see it happening. I

768
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:09.679
feel like he has a private at most, like the

769
00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:13.280
lowest rank possible, because how can you be It takes

770
00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:15.400
work to become a sergeant, like, you can't just be

771
00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:16.840
a non commissioned officer.

772
00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:18.679
So I don't think he was a I don't think so.

773
00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:21.599
And he certainly was not a chief warrant officer like

774
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:25.960
he announced, and so apparently like again, what was reported

775
00:40:26.039 --> 00:40:28.119
is that his plan was to crash his parents' neighborhood,

776
00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:30.719
but he was not a good pilot, despite yelling at

777
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:33.599
the pilot that he was right, I mean, he had

778
00:40:33.679 --> 00:40:36.559
no training in this. Yeah, yeah, there was no way

779
00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:39.079
he couldn't. And the play was missing an engine and

780
00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:41.719
it was low on fuel, so he had no idea

781
00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:44.320
what he was doing. He went north of his target,

782
00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:47.559
his parents' neighborhood, neighborhood house whatever, and so he turned

783
00:40:47.559 --> 00:40:50.239
around to try and head to his parents. But when

784
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:54.320
he did this, he had to like avoid this giant building,

785
00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:57.159
the International Center in Bogata, and he also had to

786
00:40:57.360 --> 00:41:00.000
avoid a giant hill in his like maneuver. To avoid

787
00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:03.199
these two big obstacles in his way, he like had

788
00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:06.199
located his parents neighborhood, which was San Jorge. But then,

789
00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:08.119
you know, in the process of trying to avoid these

790
00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:10.639
giant hills, he just lost control of the plane. He started,

791
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:13.559
you know, going down, crashing into telephone poles, and he

792
00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:17.760
crashed into the neighborhood of Marco Fidel and the families

793
00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:22.320
of the Marco Fida neighborhood. They sued Satna, the company

794
00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:25.679
that he worked for, for damages. And the reason is

795
00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:28.440
because they said, if ad Mando had Amedia was able

796
00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:29.480
to steal a plane, it's.

797
00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:32.159
Because they had no security. Yeah, and they're right, and

798
00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:34.119
they were right to do that.

799
00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:36.800
Yeah, not to mention it, like they should have also

800
00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:38.840
sued the air Force because what do you mean this

801
00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:41.239
guy was still working and why did he still have

802
00:41:41.360 --> 00:41:41.880
his revolver?

803
00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:45.840
Why did he have so many chances before he was fired?

804
00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:48.440
Yeah, and then again the way he was able to

805
00:41:48.440 --> 00:41:51.679
sneak back into the the airport and the hangar and

806
00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:54.920
just take it like nobody was watching. So in the end,

807
00:41:55.039 --> 00:41:58.199
Satna paid just a fourth of the cost to rebuild

808
00:41:58.280 --> 00:41:59.960
one house, the Pullula family home.

809
00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:04.559
That doesn't sound like enough, No, nowhere near enough, because.

810
00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:07.280
They're to rebuild their house the Buldo family home that

811
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:10.400
was five hundred thousand dollars and Satina ended up paying

812
00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:13.320
only one hundred and twenty thousand. Wow, And let me

813
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:16.039
remind you that the total cost of this whole accident

814
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:17.960
was like eighty five million or some shit like that.

815
00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:21.440
Oh wow, yeah, it was a lot. And so most

816
00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:25.119
of the homes were rebuilt over time, but even today

817
00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:28.159
the neighborhood is not as populated as it once was,

818
00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:31.639
like before the crash. And yeah, that is I yeah,

819
00:42:31.719 --> 00:42:33.960
that was the what do they call it the something

820
00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:36.000
incident to see nick name of when you look for

821
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:39.239
the case, like the plane type and an incident. Oh

822
00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:41.880
of course I did write it down, but yeah, you know,

823
00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:44.360
there's no need, I feel like to find reasons. Right,

824
00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:45.800
this was an angry man.

825
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:48.239
Who felt entitled two.

826
00:42:48.199 --> 00:42:51.039
More than what he had and he was angry about it,

827
00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:53.599
so he took it out on people. Yeah that's a

828
00:42:53.639 --> 00:42:56.119
good point, because yeah, people were like, what was the reason.

829
00:42:56.400 --> 00:42:59.000
But yeah, like you're saying he wasn't a person and

830
00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:01.320
he just yeah, he hurt people and maybe his aim

831
00:43:01.400 --> 00:43:03.280
with his parents, but he didn't care who we heard

832
00:43:03.320 --> 00:43:05.159
in the process anyway, because if he had a care,

833
00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:08.199
there was other ways. Yeah, that would have not evolved

834
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:12.079
taken a plane and so yeah, but yeah, I guess

835
00:43:12.199 --> 00:43:19.039
we have reached the end of the episode. Do you

836
00:43:19.159 --> 00:43:23.440
have any speaky recommendations? I do, oh, share, share, pull

837
00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:26.360
up my notes. I wrote notes and forget them. I

838
00:43:26.480 --> 00:43:29.119
was gonna say, oh, you're write notes by spakir recommendations

839
00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:32.199
not usually, but because we're like recording like a little

840
00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:34.800
bit ahead, I feel like I would forget them, you

841
00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:35.360
know what I mean.

842
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:36.239
That's a good point.

843
00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:36.920
Yeah, so.

844
00:43:38.440 --> 00:43:40.079
One of my speaker recommendations.

845
00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:44.119
I have a few, I guess, yes. Anyway, I thought

846
00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:45.920
I had talked about this already, but I guess I didn't.

847
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:49.199
I listened to The Only Good Indians by Steven Graham

848
00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:53.639
Jones five out of five, very spooky, and that's all.

849
00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:55.559
I didn't write anything else about that. And then I

850
00:43:55.599 --> 00:44:00.440
also listened to What Grows in the Dark by Jack Evans,

851
00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:03.599
and at that one, I feel like only three out

852
00:44:03.639 --> 00:44:06.119
of five for me. Let me read the summary of

853
00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:08.840
The Only Good Indians. Okay, so it says from New

854
00:44:08.920 --> 00:44:11.400
York Times best selling author Stephen Graham Jones, comes a

855
00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:15.320
novel that is equal parts psychological horror and cutting social

856
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:19.920
commentary on identity, politics and the American Indian experience. Fans

857
00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:23.760
of Jordan Peele and Tommy Orange will love this story

858
00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:27.840
as it follows it like god. Fans of both here, Yes,

859
00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:31.079
I love both both of them. So the story follows

860
00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:33.920
the lives of four American Indian men and their families,

861
00:44:34.119 --> 00:44:37.239
all haunted by a disturbing, deadly event that took place

862
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:39.880
in their youth. Years later, they find themselves tracked by

863
00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:43.599
an entity bent on revenge, totally helpless as culture and

864
00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:46.440
traditions they left behind catch up to them in a

865
00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:49.400
violent and vengeful way. So it took a revenge story.

866
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:52.519
It was wild, and I love listening to it because

867
00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:55.679
the narrator. I feel like I also would like reading it,

868
00:44:56.079 --> 00:44:58.840
but listening to it, the narrator was so good. Okay,

869
00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:01.760
I have to listen to it. Yeah, and so yeah,

870
00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:03.480
that was five out of five for me, and then

871
00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:06.719
the other one. So I listened to what grows in

872
00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:10.239
the dark, and I feel like the story when I

873
00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:13.519
read the summary, like caught my attention. So it says

874
00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:18.360
in this chilling contemporary horror novel, a phony spiritualist returns

875
00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:22.119
to her hometown to assist in an investigation that was

876
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:26.920
hard to read all want to go Yeah. That yearly

877
00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:30.239
mirrors her sister's death, forcing her to confront the secrets

878
00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:35.440
she's been running from. Sixteen years ago, Bridget Wheeland's older sister, Emma,

879
00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:38.840
walked into the woods in their small hometown of Ellis Creek.

880
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:41.760
She never walked out. People said she was troubled, and

881
00:45:41.840 --> 00:45:44.079
the month's leading up to her death, she was convinced

882
00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:46.840
there was a monster in those trees. Marked by the tragedy,

883
00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:50.400
Bridget left town and never looked back. Now, Bridget travels

884
00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:54.079
around the country investigating paranormal activity and faking the results

885
00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:56.960
with her cameraman Ian, But when she receives a call

886
00:45:57.039 --> 00:45:59.440
from Ellis Creek, she's thrust into the middle of a

887
00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:02.599
search for to missing teenagers. As Bridgite and Ian are

888
00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:05.880
drawn further into the case, the parallels to Emma's death

889
00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:09.679
become undeniable, and worst, Bridget can't explain what's happening to

890
00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:11.880
her trees, appearing in her bedroom in the middle of

891
00:46:11.920 --> 00:46:14.679
the night, something with a very familiar laugh watching her

892
00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:17.079
out in the darkness, and Emma's voice on her phone

893
00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:20.519
reminding Bridget to finish what they started. More and more

894
00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:23.119
it looks like Emma was right. There is a monster

895
00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:25.360
in Ella's creek and it's waited a long time for

896
00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:27.760
Bridget to come home. So it sounds good and it

897
00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:30.559
was fine. Yeah, I was gonna say that sounds good.

898
00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:32.159
It was fine, but I feel like there was like

899
00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:35.480
plot holes. I didn't really understand why this monster wanted

900
00:46:35.559 --> 00:46:38.400
Virgin in the first place. There's just like plot holes.

901
00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:40.599
I just couldn't really get into it. And I looked

902
00:46:40.639 --> 00:46:42.480
at the reviews and other people felt the same as me.

903
00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:46.280
It wasn't just me. Okay, okay, it wasn't bad, but yeah,

904
00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:48.880
I mean there's like too much. I didn't understand the

905
00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:52.760
why behind it. I mean, you didn't do it for me, okay, okay.

906
00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:56.679
And then I read Bad Cree amazing five out of five.

907
00:46:57.159 --> 00:46:59.159
Oh, I need to read that. I have the book

908
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:01.079
and I just haven't read it yet.

909
00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:03.360
Yeah. I was with you and you bought it. That's right.

910
00:47:03.599 --> 00:47:05.280
We were together at powells yes.

911
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:09.679
Yeah, so this one in this gripping horror lace debut

912
00:47:11.079 --> 00:47:13.719
to pronounce that I don't know okay. A young Cree

913
00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:18.280
woman's dreams lead her on a perilous, perilous I don't

914
00:47:18.280 --> 00:47:22.239
know pruceat Worthy, Yeah, yes, journey of self discovery that

915
00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:25.280
ultimately forces her to confront the toll of a legacy

916
00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:28.320
of violence on her family, her community, and the land

917
00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:31.440
they call home. When Mackenzie wakes up with a severed

918
00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:35.199
crow's head in her hands, she panics. Only moments earlier,

919
00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:37.559
she had been fedding off masses of birds in a

920
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:41.119
snow covered forest in bed, which she blinks ahead disappears.

921
00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:44.639
Night after night, Mackenzie's dreams returned her to a memory

922
00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:49.280
from before her sister Sabrina's untimely death, a weekend at

923
00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:52.559
the family's lake front campsite, long obscured by a fog

924
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:55.599
of guilt, but when the waking world starts closing in

925
00:47:56.320 --> 00:47:59.440
to a murder of crows stalks her every move around

926
00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:01.880
the city. She makes up from a dream of drowning

927
00:48:01.960 --> 00:48:05.400
throwing up water, and gets thrawny textages from someone claiming

928
00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:07.760
to be Sabrina. Mackenzie knows and this is more than

929
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:10.960
she can handle alone. Traveling north to her rural hometown

930
00:48:11.079 --> 00:48:13.519
in Alberta, she finds her family still seeped in the

931
00:48:13.559 --> 00:48:16.519
same grief that she ran away to Vancouver to escape.

932
00:48:16.519 --> 00:48:19.480
They welcome her back, but their shiky reunion only seems

933
00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:22.360
to intensify her dreams and make them more dangerous. What

934
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:24.719
really happened that night at the lake and what did

935
00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:27.039
it have to do with Sabrina's death? Only a bad

936
00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:29.679
creed would put their family at risk. But what if

937
00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:33.440
whatever has been calling Mackenzie home was already inside five

938
00:48:33.480 --> 00:48:38.800
and five amazing? Whoa, Okay, that sounds really good. Oh yes,

939
00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:39.559
I need to read it.

940
00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:42.559
Yeah, So there was just there was like a lot.

941
00:48:42.639 --> 00:48:45.840
Also, I love reading books about like family because you

942
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:49.360
know how Mexicans are. They're my favorite and we're all

943
00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:53.840
about family, you know, those Mexicans, And so yeah, it

944
00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:56.840
was like super relatable because of that. And like when

945
00:48:56.880 --> 00:48:58.920
she comes home and she sees all her cousins and

946
00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:01.800
everyone starts a bump her and she has zero space.

947
00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:03.760
I was like, yes, I love it, I love it.

948
00:49:03.800 --> 00:49:06.480
I love it. There was just so much that was relatable,

949
00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:10.480
Like her grandma dies a slow death, of I don't

950
00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:12.559
remember what the illness is. If it was cancer, I

951
00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:14.599
think it was. But you know, that reminded me of

952
00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:17.800
our amulito whose health was just declining.

953
00:49:18.280 --> 00:49:20.880
Yeah, and then everyone was taking care of them. Yeah.

954
00:49:21.159 --> 00:49:26.440
And when she's talking about her grandma dying slowly, there

955
00:49:26.559 --> 00:49:28.679
is like a quote that said death happened in a

956
00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:31.639
million ways in the lead up to actual death, and

957
00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:33.320
I was like, that is so true. And then they

958
00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:36.480
give examples of like the grandma not being able to

959
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:40.639
hold her playing cards anymore. So then the grandma and

960
00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:43.360
the auntie stopped gathering to play the cards every night,

961
00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:46.559
and like more things like that, like than when she

962
00:49:46.599 --> 00:49:49.400
couldn't stand for long, then she couldn't bake for the

963
00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:53.360
family anymore, and so like, you know, she loses herself.

964
00:49:53.599 --> 00:49:56.480
These little things that made you who Yes, okay, that's

965
00:49:56.480 --> 00:49:57.960
what I'm gonna say. These little things that make you

966
00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:00.719
who you are, you start losing them, Yeah, then you know,

967
00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:03.280
they start I don't know, it gets harder to find.

968
00:50:03.400 --> 00:50:05.880
I guess the will to continue. It's because it's like why.

969
00:50:06.199 --> 00:50:07.960
Oh. And the part that got me that made me

970
00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:12.920
cry is then when the grandma couldn't breathe on her

971
00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:15.519
own anymore, and so the machines like were helping her

972
00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:18.320
whatever breathe in the hospital. Then they lost the sound

973
00:50:18.360 --> 00:50:19.840
of her laugh filling in the room, and I was like.

974
00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:26.599
Gold and that's so true. It's like our Alito.

975
00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:30.320
And he, Yeah, when he couldn't ride his bike anymore,

976
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:33.400
that was a huge like blow to limb in his spirit.

977
00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:37.360
He was, you know, this tall strong man and he

978
00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:40.320
could see himself getting weaker and weaker than he couldn't.

979
00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:43.960
He like his bike, He wrote it everywhere. And then yeah,

980
00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:45.800
at one point he couldn't even get on the bus.

981
00:50:45.880 --> 00:50:47.760
They didn't let him get on the bus anymore because

982
00:50:47.800 --> 00:50:50.639
the risk of falling was too much. And that also

983
00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:53.800
was like another blow. And then like this is exactly

984
00:50:54.280 --> 00:50:55.760
Oh that's yeah. Wow.

985
00:50:56.280 --> 00:50:58.559
So I feel like it's probably been my favorite book

986
00:50:58.599 --> 00:50:59.519
that I've read so far.

987
00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:02.000
It's here because not only does it have like that

988
00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:07.320
rich family environment, there's also a lot of like grief

989
00:51:08.119 --> 00:51:11.639
drama I guess between the family, but the spookiness is

990
00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:16.039
top notch also. Wow. Okay, so it has the dramas

991
00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:20.880
family relationships and the spookiness. Okay, I love it. I'm

992
00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:22.440
for sure going to read it at some point, and

993
00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:25.000
a pair of twins, A pair of twins. Why don't

994
00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:27.800
you say that's Soba? Sobrina is a twin. Yeah, not

995
00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:29.519
with her, but her other sister.

996
00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:32.880
Okay, wow, okay, wow, I gotta read this.

997
00:51:33.000 --> 00:51:36.880
Oh and and and a lot of the family has

998
00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:39.960
like this thing with their dreams, like they they each

999
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:42.119
have different Now I don't want to spoil it something

1000
00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:45.159
like I'm saying. So dreams. Dreams are like major in

1001
00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:47.239
the book too. And if there's one thing I love

1002
00:51:47.320 --> 00:51:49.000
hearing about too, it's people's dreams.

1003
00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:50.159
Yeah.

1004
00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:52.360
I mean we had a whole episode on it, premonitions

1005
00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:54.840
and dreams, like, yeah, for sure, they're a thing. And

1006
00:51:54.960 --> 00:51:57.079
sometimes you even if you don't you know, you don't

1007
00:51:57.119 --> 00:51:58.559
have that kind of thing. I think your dreams no

1008
00:51:58.639 --> 00:52:00.519
matter who you are, and if you like me and

1009
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:02.559
you don't have like this gift that our mom has, right,

1010
00:52:02.639 --> 00:52:04.039
But I feel like there's some dreams that you have

1011
00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:06.760
that you're like something is telling me something for sure,

1012
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:09.519
this dream like when you have the recurring dream of

1013
00:52:09.599 --> 00:52:12.239
your teeth falling, Like okay, I'm stressed, Like why am

1014
00:52:12.280 --> 00:52:12.920
I so stressed?

1015
00:52:12.960 --> 00:52:13.840
What's happening? So?

1016
00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:16.440
Yeah, I love that. I love that yeah, and I

1017
00:52:16.519 --> 00:52:19.199
have more, but i'll say it for next TIMECENTI me, okay, okay,

1018
00:52:19.519 --> 00:52:22.079
well really quick, I do have a speaky recommendation. I

1019
00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:25.199
have not started being atta because I had a library income,

1020
00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:28.039
Like now you tell me that it's yeah, I do

1021
00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:28.800
know how you feel.

1022
00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:31.000
And it's an incidence around the house is the name

1023
00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:31.480
of the book.

1024
00:52:32.079 --> 00:52:34.519
And I forgot the author already, but I mean, if

1025
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:36.760
you just look up incidents around the house, you'll find

1026
00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:37.079
the book.

1027
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:39.159
I'm not done with it yet, I'm like halfway done.

1028
00:52:39.400 --> 00:52:40.079
It's a short book.

1029
00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:42.880
It's not very long, and I got to say, within

1030
00:52:43.000 --> 00:52:45.000
like the first two pages of the book, I was

1031
00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:48.159
already like, WHOA, what's going on? This is so creepy really,

1032
00:52:48.519 --> 00:52:50.599
And I mean it's not really a spoiler because if

1033
00:52:50.599 --> 00:52:53.039
you look at the book description you'll find out that

1034
00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:55.280
you know, it's a little girl who sees like an

1035
00:52:55.440 --> 00:52:57.920
entity in her house, and this entity she calls.

1036
00:52:57.760 --> 00:53:02.960
Her other mommy. It's already horrifying what that book?

1037
00:53:03.239 --> 00:53:06.599
No, And then before she used to see her a

1038
00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:09.000
little bit, but now it's becoming more intense and she

1039
00:53:09.199 --> 00:53:11.360
has started to ask her can I go in your heart?

1040
00:53:11.480 --> 00:53:14.039
Can I go in your heart just like again and again.

1041
00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:16.840
Oh my god, that's creepy. It was very creepy. So

1042
00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:18.800
I do recommend it. And I'm not even done with

1043
00:53:18.840 --> 00:53:21.000
it yet, so I don't know. I I always look

1044
00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:25.199
at spoilery. Okay, I'm reading a book, so I did

1045
00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:30.079
no me either, So I did see. I came across

1046
00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:32.960
a few spoilers of people being disappointed in the ending.

1047
00:53:33.280 --> 00:53:34.960
And I don't know because I'm not there yet. So

1048
00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:38.280
if you've read the book and you did feel that,

1049
00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:40.880
I don't know why yet, but I will when I'm done,

1050
00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:43.039
which but next time we record, I'll be done and

1051
00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:46.719
I'll actually start Piniata soon, which is our current book

1052
00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:50.400
club read Pata by le Podo Gout. I hope to

1053
00:53:50.480 --> 00:53:53.440
start it soon too. I haven't started it either. Yeah, okay,

1054
00:53:53.480 --> 00:53:54.920
And I guess this brings us to the end of

1055
00:53:54.960 --> 00:53:57.800
the episode. Don't because we're sending us your speaking stories

1056
00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:00.679
if you want to share them, topic, suggestion, you know anything.

1057
00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:05.679
We are open to only good feedback, and other than that,

1058
00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:06.880
I don't know.

1059
00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:10.360
Don't hang out at the river for too long, or

1060
00:54:10.960 --> 00:54:13.000
or don't follow a beautiful woman into a.

1061
00:54:13.079 --> 00:54:15.840
Cave or whatever, or a bit can into the cave.

1062
00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:19.719
No following anyone into a cave, no matter how cute

1063
00:54:19.719 --> 00:54:22.039
they are, no matter how hot they are, don't do it.

1064
00:54:22.559 --> 00:54:26.679
It's not worth it. They might share their skin later, Okay,

1065
00:54:26.719 --> 00:54:30.440
I'll thought you with them, all right, all right, stay speaking,

1066
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:33.840
We'll catch real next time. By As Book Tells is

1067
00:54:33.880 --> 00:54:37.079
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1068
00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:40.280
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