June 20, 2025

La Casa de las Canicas and the Ciudad Juárez Cobalt-60 Contamination Incident

La Casa de las Canicas and the Ciudad Juárez Cobalt-60 Contamination Incident
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La Casa de Las Canicas was built in the 1930s and can be found in Coahuila, Mexico. It's said to be haunted, but the name canicas does not come from where you think it does. Carmen shares this legend and Cristina shares the Cuidad Juarez Cobalt 60 incident known as the Chernobyl of Mexico, she also mentions the Chernobyl milk Mexico situation. First they read a listener story and end with spooky recommendations.

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Hi. This is Christina and Carmen and this is another

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episode of a Spooky Tales, the podcast for all things

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A Spooky Hunted places myths, legends in Latin America and

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occasionally natural disasters, because that's what I'm doing today. Oh,

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times are rough, and i've been at the time of recording.

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It's June eleventh, by the way, this isn't going to

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come out until later though, but yeah, times are rough,

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and I was like, I don't want to look up

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a crime. I want to look up a natural disaster.

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And I don't know why that made me feel better

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than a crime, which is horrific to it in its

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own right. Yeah it is. So I don't know what

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that says about me. But you know what, because it

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was mother nature. Yeah, no ill intentions. It wasn't mankind

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or a man hurting a woman or child as typically happening.

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What Okay, maybe I should have said man made disaster. Disaster.

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That's a disaster. You're right, and it is terrible. I

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don't know. This isn't consoling me at all. What I'm

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what have I done? What have you done? Yes? So? Yeah,

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But before all that, we do have a listener story okay, sorry, no, no,

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before you read it. If you have a story that

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you want to send us to read, email a spookita

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do at gmail dot com. You can d m us

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on any of our socials. You can submit it on Discord.

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If you want to put it on Discord but you

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don't want everyone to see it, that's on our discord.

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You can also just set it to me on Discord personally.

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That's fine, I'll see it. All those things are fine.

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You can call the Spooky Hotline. Yeah, all of those

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things are fine. We we rub That's what I was

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going to say. We love receiving your stories. Okay, Scooby

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doo bitch, Okay, we love Sorry, yeah, we love receiving

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your stories. So yeah, send them, keep sending them. Okay,

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sorry my voice. Whoa. I'm a little sick because craziness

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me sick. So it is the price of seeing them, Yeah,

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like you said, yeah, and I'm like, is it worth it?

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I'm questioning. I would be questioning it too sometimes I'm

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madream if it's worth it, it's worth it. They're always sick,

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or they're not always sick, but they're sick right before

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we see them. Yeah, No, they're always sick. Okay, they're

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always sick. Yeah yeah, okay, So listen to story. This

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comes from Fred. I would like to share the time

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my aunt was on the verge of death and why

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we suspect that her sister in law did a witchcraft

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on her. Oh, my god, because you're eating. The story

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took place around fifty five years ago, when my mom

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was still around seven years old. My aunt got married

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to my uncle and they decided that my aunt would

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move in with him and his family. That's always uh,

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I don't regre For some unknown reason, her in laws

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hated her with a passion and would not allow her

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to talk with my grandma or the rest of our family.

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Probably domestic violence. Sorry, I don't want to put stuff

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on this, but usually that's the reason. Okay, back to

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the story. One day, early in the morning, my grandma

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ran into my youngest uncle's godfather. While talking, it came

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up that my aunt was experiencing something weird, and so

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my grandma decided to go visit them, no matter who

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tried to stop her. When my grandma arrived at the ranch,

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she found my aunt laying on a mat, unconscious and

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a bunch of lit candles and people around her praying what.

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From time to time, my aunt would start yelling, still unconscious,

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helped me, bancho, it's trying to kill me, and she

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would toss around on the mat. She started pulling clumps

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of hair from her head, and a couple of times

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she'd yell, stopped it. Stop hitting me, please, I'm banging you. Stop.

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I didn't do anything to you. And then bruises would

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pop up on her arms, legs, and even a couple

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on her back. My grandma started freaking out and decided

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to try to do something about it and went out

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to grab some holy water, some holy water from the

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nearest church. Two hours later, she came back to the

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house with a glass bottle of holy water, but as

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soon as she had put the bottle in my aunt's hand,

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it exploded. The weirdest thing is not a single drop

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of water was visible. It's as if it evaporated immediately.

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My grandma was fed up at this point and demanded

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my uncle go out and grab his truck to take

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my aunt to the same church. She grabbed the holy

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water from my uncle immediately ran now to try and

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grab his truck. During that time, my grandma stayed beside

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my aunt, grabbing her hand, when all of a sudden,

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my aunt started screaming again. Somebody helped me. She's going

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to drown me, and her legs and under her fingernails

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started getting sandy. Finally, my uncle came back with this

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truck and they loaded my aunt into the backside of

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the truck, but all of a sudden, the truck turned

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off and my uncle was unable to turn it back on.

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As the last resort, they decided to go find a cab. Luckily,

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it only took them a couple of minutes to find one.

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They loaded her up in the cab and drove towards

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the church, but the tire popped. The cab driver quickly

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changed the tire and they went off again. On the

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way to church, you had to pass through a small

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dried out river that didn't have any water for years.

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But as soon as they tried it driving through it,

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it got stuck and muddy. The cab driver furiously said

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Signora Sevedra sabilukez mioto. Damn, this is crazy and in inglass, ma'am.

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If I had known this involved demons, I wouldn't have

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put you in my car. My uncle and the cab

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driver got out and pushed the cab out of the river,

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and they continued to drive to the church. Finally they

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arrived at the church. When they tried to take her in,

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it seemed as if there was an invisible while preventing

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them from even getting close. It ended up taking my grandma,

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my uncle, the cab driver, and four other men that

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were inside the church to even get her near. This

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is wild, this is insane. As soon as they got

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close to the church, the doors slammed close again. It

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took everyone's strength to open the door and carry her

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in quickly. They dropped her in the middle of the church,

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and the father and nuns told them to exit the

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church and let them do what's necessary. Finally, hours later,

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the father exited and let my grandma enter the room

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they placed my aunt in. My aunt looked exhausted and pale,

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as if her life was sucked out of her. She

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stayed there a couple of days, and then once she

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felt better, she went back home. To this day, we

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all think that it was her sister in law that

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did something to her because of her unwarranted hatred towards

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my aunt. That's my family story. I hope you liked it.

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Special things for you two for doing such great work

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on spreading stories from our cultures, keeping amazing people. Lots

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of love, heart, Thank you Fred for your story. That

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was crazy. Did I catch that the sister in law's

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name was Teresa? Yes? Is that what you were going

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to comment to? No? No, I was not commenting, but yes,

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good catch.

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Are you?

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Are there any good that ISAs? I'm not sure? Let

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us know. I only say that basing it on the

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NOVELA Teresa, which we yopped about extensively for almost two

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years on novel, and that from that experience, I know

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that there are no goods and if there is one,

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no shade but the has And this one from this

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listener story, this one was an evil witch. Yes, it

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has now taught me to fear alter. Yeah. Should I

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get into let's get into your story key story today. Yeah.

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So today we're going to be talking about like I

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feel like it's like the guy who mixing up. Today

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we're talking about come with me to talk to talk

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about come with me as I talk about like No,

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but we're talking about like I guess say all that

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say all that normal? Okay. Today we're talking about like

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in Guahuila, Mexico. This house was built in the nineteen

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thirties and is located near the corner de Las cay

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Is Victoria Heic den Gal. It's located in Saltillo, the

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capital city of Guahuila. And the house got its nickname

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because the last people who lived in the house. Wait,

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how do you let me first? How do you think

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it got its names? I'm assuming someone hears marbles in

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the middle of the night and so they started calling it,

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you would think, But okay, this house earned its nickname

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because the last people who lived in the house were

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two sisters. Wait, where's this going? Two sisters who were

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apparently short, fat, fair haired, and light skinned. So the

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neighbors nicknamed them cankas, and the house came to be

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known as came to be known as Yeah, imagine your

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your Mexican nickname because now the subject of a hunted legend.

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I'm not surprised, no wonder you said, how do you

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think this came to me? If this happened to me,

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the house would be called short yeah, and then in

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parentheses melonde. Yeah. So that was just hilarious, absolutely insane.

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I was not expecting that. Yeah, I don't think we've

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come across a story where it's named after a Mexican nickname. Yeah,

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because we know those Mexican nicknames can be brutal. I'll

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never forget, and actually all all of Latin America. But

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our dad telling us like, yeah, this guy in the neighborhood,

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he was so ugly, he looked like a lizard, and

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we called him Lagarticas. Yeah, and to this day he's

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still Lagartica. And then the guy with the big head

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was yeah, yeah, so yeah Casias. And uh, the Kanka

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sister's dad, dad Kanikas, if you will, Apakanas. He built

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the house and the family La family Kankas got their

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wealth from way back, being Asiandados. Oh, and the house

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was very beautiful and it's heyday. The family often held

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many soares with their high class friends. Okay, Around nineteen seventy,

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the house was abandoned after one of the Khankas died.

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One of the sisters died and the other one moved

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away to live with relatives. The house then fell into disrepair,

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giving it a creepy appearance, and the legend started. So

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two of these legends involved Daddy Kankas. It said that

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La Casankas had a lot of servants and that Daddy

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Kankas wasn't exactly at the goal with the servants house staff.

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Wow wow. And one of these maids was Yolanda. She

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was said to be extremely beautiful and unfortunately for her,

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her beauty caught the eye of Papaas. Sorry, yeah, I

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don't know his name. I did never found his name,

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so none of them have names. So they had what

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some would call it romance, what reasonable people, though, would

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call being sexually abused or exploited by your boss. And

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this led to Yolanda becoming pregnant, and Yolanda hid her

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pregnancy for about six months. But you know, you can

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only hide it. So so far true. So not too

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long after, Deanas found out about the pregnancy and he

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confronted Orlanda and the stables of the property. It is

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said that after the confrontation, Yolanda was so devastated that

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she had a miscarriage in the stables. I should have

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said at the beginning tree running for sexual workplace, sexual

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abuse and miscarriage. Yes. Since then, it is said that

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the cries of a child can be heard as one

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walks by the stables, but once you get closer, the

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crying abruptly stops. And the other legend involving Daddy Kanikas

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has to do with his paranoia of banks. Maybe you

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can guess where this is going. Hidden treasure. Yes, okay,

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I love a hidden treasure story. So it was rumored

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that because of his paranoia surrunning banks, Papakka's hid or

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buried trunks of treasure full of gold coins all over

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the property. After Lasi Manaskanikas left the home, leaving it abandoned,

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people went into the property and started digging. And some

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of these people don't have found anything, but they went

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on to suffer from terrible accidents later on. I don't

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know what, but that's me. I couldn't find more specifics. Yeah, yeah,

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terrible accents. Terrible. So you know they're like, well, they're

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cursed from looking for this treasure. And the last legend

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from Nakasakas involved a group of high school students and

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a wigi board. Oh this Caskankas has it all right,

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I'm seated. I have my juice. No, its my juice,

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my lacrow, sparkling water, my lacrow. Okay, I'm ready. So

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this happened in the nineteen nineties. The students went inside

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the house and walked through until they found the perfect

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room for wigi activities. So they settled in and pulled

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out the wigi board. But as soon as they started

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playing with it, strong winds blew through the house. A

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bright light appeared down the hallway and one of the

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girls became possessed. Then the light in the hallway got

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brighter and brighter, when all of a sudden, the pass

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grow disappeared. When the light finally went away, the students

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went to look at the spot that the light had

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been at, and what they saw was the image of

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setan Nas himself burned into the wall. And I see

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it was said that the image of the devil remained

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there for at least ten years before fading away. Wow weird, okay,

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And that is like I said kanas in Kuahila, Wow,

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thank you so much. That had it all. That was fun.

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That was a good one. I don't think I will

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ever hear khanikas the word the same again. Okay. And

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before we get into my disaster, we'll take a little

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outbreak here and we're back. Sorry, we've been out of

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the game for a little bit. It has been a

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while since we've recorded. Yeah, okay, so my case here,

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I'm just going to jump straight into it. I hope

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you didn't read any of it. No, I didn't. Oh good, Okay.

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By now, we have all heard about scher Noobyl, one

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of the worst diss that happened in like recent times.

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For those that don't know, I guess, the Chernobyl nuclear

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plant was located near Pripia, Ukrainian SSR, Soviet Union today Ukraine,

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and it exploded. It is one of only two nuclear

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energy accidents rated at the maximum severity level on this

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scale called the International Nuclear Event Scale. Oh that doesn't

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sound good at all. No, And counting the cancer that

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was caused by radiation over the decades, there's over sixty

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dead from this one disaster. Wow. It's also one of

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HBO's best shows from what I've heard, I haven't watched it.

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What's a show called Chernobyl? Oh? I thought you were

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talking about the I didn't realize you were. I thought

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you were comparing it to Chernobyl, But I time, although

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you said Ukraine, I didn't put two to together. Still wow,

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But yeah, I've heard your things about that show as well. Yeah,

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but also like devastating, which of course makes yeah, yeah,

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but that's not today's topic. What is today's topic is

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considered to be Mexico's own Chernobyl disaster. If you look

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up the Chernobyl of Mexico, this will come up. But

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it's also known as the Studa Aquatis cobalt sixty contamination incident.

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Oh wow, have you heard of this. I've heard about

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the Chernobyl of Mexico, like, I've heard that term, but

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I I don't know, like anything else about it. I

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don't know, I mean other than you tell me it

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wasn't what is perfect, But yeah, that's that's good. And no,

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unlike Chernobyl, it wasn't nuclear, but still radioactive and tragic

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of course. So before I talk about the incident, first,

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what is cobalt sixty? And I'm sorry because I'm about

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to talk about science that I don't understand because I'm

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a dumb bench. Okay, queen, Yes, So, cobalt sixty is

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a synthetic radioactive isotope of cobalt with the half life

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of five point twenty seven years to produce artificially in

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nuclear reactors while cobal itself is naturally occurring. Does that

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make sense so far, because yeah, I don't know what

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I'm saying. I remember cobalt from my art science class

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at junior college, and I dropped out of the nursing

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pre nursing program when I had to take chemistry because

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I don't know what was going on. So I don't

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actually don't remember that. I just said that. Oh wow, okay, anyway,

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that and it has different purposes like to sterilize medical equipment.

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It's a radiation source for medical radiotherapy. It's used for

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industrial radiography pest insects sterilization, and a radiation source for

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food irradiation and blood irradiation, and those things are used

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to make food or blood lasts longer and blood as

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in like blood banks. Not vampires, yes, or vampires. Yes,

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so we know what that is. What happened in November

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nineteen seventy seven, Dicentro Medico, the especially that is Medical

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Center for Specialties, a private hospital in sues Chiuawa, Mexico,

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purchased a radio therapy unit called the Picker CEE three thousand.

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A doctor, doctor Abelardo lem Mouse, wanted to treat his

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cancer patients with radio therapy, and he purchased the Picker

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c three thousand for sixteen thousand dollars. And this machine

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is crazy looking. The patient lays down on it, and

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then there's this thing that looks straight out of a

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sci fi movie pointing at the person laying down on

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this table. I'll post a picture on the dial called

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the picker. Maybe actually I'm picturing like like a score food.

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I put the picture in the document. If you want

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to look at it right now. Okay, that's what that's picturing. Yeah, yeah,

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it's crazy looking. Again. I will put it on social

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media and in the video. This machine is supposed to

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to focus a narrow beam of gamma radiation at a

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tumor to kill the tumor's cell and not the surrounding tissue.

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And of course the machine was full of cobalt sixty,

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which was contained in a sealed capsule inside the machine.

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And no one was supposed to use this machine without

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training first, and the machine was not supposed to be

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installed or worked on without special protective equipment. And the

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manual alone for this thing is like over one hundred pages.

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I skimmed through it. But for some reason, this machine

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was introduced to Mexico without sharing this information, without complying

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to the existing regulations for machines like it. So nobody

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knew and the machine, it just sat in a storage

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closet for six years at this hospital because nobody there.

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There was no qualified personnel to operate it, nobody knew

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how to use it. So I just sat there for

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those years. Right, And after all those six years, some

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content training its power to choose this. Yeah, So after

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those six years, someone told an employee of the hospital

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to dismantle it and sell it for parts, and so

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we sent this Sotello. Alardin did what he was told.

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He dismantled the picker C three thousand on December sixth,

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nineteen eighty three, and he had no idea what the

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machine was or the dangerous within it. So he started

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off by disassembling the head of the radioactive unit and

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then taking out a cylinder full of cobalt sixty. Then

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he loaded all of this into his truck. In his truck,

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he drilled into the cylinder containing the cobalt sixty, which

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caused cobalt sixty granules to spill onto the bed of

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his truck. So now the truck is contaminated with cobalt

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sixty okay, he drove to the Junkyard after that at Yonke,

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he left the parts there and then when he returned,

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his truck stopped working. So the contaminated truck stayed parked

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in front of his house in a Sida Quadis neighborhood,

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and it spent forty days there. And during that time,

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hundreds of people walked by the truck, leaned on it

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while she's mando, just like as you do if you're

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outside and you're just like there's a car, let me

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lean on it. Or kids played next to it, maybe

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touch the bed. I don't know. Remember when we used

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to play in the truck of one of our DIA's neighbors,

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but he lived whatever the way it was, he parked

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there and we used to get inside, play like that

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was a boat, and you know, so we were getting

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the trunk. So magic kids doing that in this situation, yeah,

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which I'm sure they did. I'm sure they did too.

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In the meantime, Elon at the Junkyard electro magnets, you

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know how, like remember the movie Brave Little Toaster. Yeah,

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when they're in the dumpster and then there's just a

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big magnet pulling them up and they're like, Oh my god,

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save us. That's what they say. Anyway, I love that movie.

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I got to rewatch it. So those things, those things

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are at this junk yard, and you know, they're handling

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all of this grab us at the junkyard, including the

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cobalt sixty granules and all the parts of this cobalt

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sixty machine. And so they're moving everything around and they're

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spreading the cobalt sixty across a lot of things in

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that junkyard. Oh oh yeah. So eventually all the electromagnet

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cranes were affected and they were mixing in other metals

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with that cobalt sixty. Then the radioactive scrap was sent

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to two different places, Acerosa Chiwawa, a construction rebar factory,

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and the Machila Doras falcon Nejuades, a manufacturer of table bases.

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Oh my god. Then products from both of these factories

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were sent to other parts of Mexico and the US.

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Uh oh. And for three weeks no one knew any

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of this happened. Then, on January sixteenth, nineteen eighty four,

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a truck carrying construction rebar was heading for a site

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in Los Alamos, and for some reason that truck took

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a detour like maybe it was lost, and it took

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a turn it wasn't supposed to, and and it ended

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it up near the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico.

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And as the truck passed through this national Laboratory, it

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triggered their radioactive alarms. And if you're wondering why they

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have radioactive alarms with the yeah, and it's one of

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the sites where the nuclear bomb was designed during World

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War Two, Los Alamos, New Mexico, right, So yeah, they

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had this all over and so those radio radioactive detectors

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went off and the lab was then like, oh my god,

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what is giving off all this like radioactive energy. This

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isn't normal. And then like there it's this truck. Oh,

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it's this rebar. Where did this come from? Oh? They

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were able to track it to a source in Mexico,

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and the lab notified Mexico's National Commission on Nuclear Safety

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and Safeguards two days later. Once they did all the

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other work, so by then another truck in the Basso

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was found transporting the same contaminated rebar. They were able

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to stop that from spreading anywhere else. Luckily, the National

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Commission in Mexico tracked down the rebar to the scrap

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metal where the scrap metal came from that junkyard who

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took it to the junkyard. They're like, oh my god,

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the hospital. But by the time they found the hospital

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worker and he told them what he did, thousands had

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been exposed. Oh my god. So ten days after the

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discovery of the truck in New Mexico, on the twenty

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six they found the park truck, that hospital Bookers park truck,

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and it had been emitting one thousand, one thousand rentkans

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per hour. And that is a unit of measurement for

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the exposure of X rays and gamma rays. That's like

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the most basic explanation. Not good, Yeah, not good, and

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one thousand of that not good, not good time to

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one thousand yes, yes. And so because of how toxic

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the truck was, it was towed away with the crane

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that picked it up like a magnetic crane picked the

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truck up and then just like floated it like drove

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away so it wouldn't touch anything else. That makes sense, yes,

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And so then that same commission discovered that aside from

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the truck, the junkyard and the two factories, I knew

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about three other companies had also received contaminated material. Wow.

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These were in Monterre and Durango. And material from these

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companies made its way to thirty thousand table bases. Oh

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my god, it is like so spread out now, yes,

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And six thousand, six hundred tons of reebar wow, and

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all all of these were contaminated from just six thousand

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cobalt sixty pellets. That's and that's what contaminated everything. Yeah.

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Like I said, thousands of people were exposed to the radiation,

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and the effects were not as devastating as other disasters

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like Chernobyl, but still like not great. The exact number

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of people affected is unknown to this day. Some sources

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say one thousand people were affected. Other sources said four thousand,

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but some other people so some of the workers at

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the scrap yard, they suffered from sterility after working there

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and being exposed long term to the rebar or all

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the scrap I mean. And then many in the neighborhood

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where the truck was parked received radiation burns. Wow. And

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there's at least one documented case of bone cancer and

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some children who developed blood disorders. Wow. But no exact numbers, unfortunately.

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I would be inclined to believe the higher number just

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because how far everything went same and it's just so

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wild to see one machine caused all this. Yeah, that's crazy.

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By the end of the investigation, they found that the

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contaminated rebar reached seventeen Mexican states. Wow, and two were

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still in the US. So they I mean to seventeen

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Mexican states and to the United States States. The Commission

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managed to recover two three hundred and sixty tons of

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the rebar. They had to demolish eight hundred fourteen buildings

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that had been built with that contaminated bar. Yeah. But

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in order to find those eight hundred fourteen buildings, they

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inspected seventeen thousand buildings. Wow. That is a lot. Yeah,

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And sadly, it's very very likely that some contaminated rebar

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was never found and remained in people's houses. Damn. I

445
00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:40.920
mean yeah, I could see that. Yeah. The thirty thousand

446
00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:45.359
contaminated table bases were all recovered, and I guess ninety

447
00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:49.359
percent of those table bases were in the US oh wow. Yeah,

448
00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:51.440
but they were recovered before they got to any one.

449
00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:56.519
Oh that's good. Yeah. By the summer of nineteen eighty four,

450
00:27:56.839 --> 00:27:59.920
there were still over a thousand tons of rebar unaccounted

451
00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:04.680
more most likely in a ton of states in Baja California,

452
00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:15.079
Baja California, sou Chiaja, Lisco, Nova, leon Qures and Sacatecas.

453
00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:23.319
Wow and shut hell the places. Yeah, information and yeah

454
00:28:23.480 --> 00:28:28.119
and seen they did find some of the rebar in Sacatecas,

455
00:28:28.160 --> 00:28:30.839
and more homes were demolished on top of whatever number

456
00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:34.880
I already said. Wow, And in order to put all

457
00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:38.799
this radioactive material somewhere after it, all you know, was collected,

458
00:28:38.920 --> 00:28:42.920
found and all those houses were demolished, and like to

459
00:28:43.039 --> 00:28:46.119
not expose anyone else, they had to build a new

460
00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:50.000
proper storage building for it. And this was in the

461
00:28:50.119 --> 00:28:54.880
sat Mala Yuka Desert, and they called it a cemetery

462
00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:59.319
for contaminated material, and it was known as La piedre Ra.

463
00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:02.920
And there was two other similar facilities made in Mexicali

464
00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:05.759
and the state of Mexico, so that all those contaminate

465
00:29:05.799 --> 00:29:10.359
pieces didn't have to go very far. But La Piedrera

466
00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:14.119
ended up with the most And I'm sorry for all

467
00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:17.519
these numbers I'm about to say, but nine hundred and

468
00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:21.759
thirty tons of contaminated rebar, seven hundred and thirty eight

469
00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:25.839
tons of contaminated unprocessed metal and two hundred tons of

470
00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:29.839
metal table bases were all that La piedre Ra, as

471
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:34.359
well as almost two thousand pieces of scrap, eight hundred

472
00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:38.440
and sixty tons of containers of other contaminated material, and

473
00:29:39.240 --> 00:29:44.559
twenty nine thousand tons of contaminated soil. Wow, it's a

474
00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:50.160
lot of contaminated things. Too many contaminated things. Damnomach. Yeah,

475
00:29:50.359 --> 00:29:52.960
it's even worse because in some places they were supposed

476
00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:55.640
to build something similar and they didn't, and they kept

477
00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:59.240
this all in like grouped up outdoors and so then

478
00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:03.279
like riggy and exposed, still being exposed or still exposing

479
00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:07.400
yeah wow. Yeah, And like there's some parts of Samala

480
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:11.119
Yuka that their radiation levels are still pretty high because

481
00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:14.599
it was left on outdoors so low there no, like

482
00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:16.480
it's in the middle of the desert. Okay, but I

483
00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:18.440
don't know about like you know, there's life.

484
00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:24.119
Yeah yeah, But because the half life of Cobal sixty

485
00:30:24.559 --> 00:30:29.720
is five point two seven years, by now twenty twenty five,

486
00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:33.960
it should be less way less and by twenty thirty

487
00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:35.119
completely fine.

488
00:30:35.319 --> 00:30:40.480
Okay, Yeah, but this happened in nineteen eighty something, so

489
00:30:40.519 --> 00:30:45.799
it did remain there for that long. Yeah, so yeah,

490
00:30:46.119 --> 00:30:49.839
yeah wow. And because of this incident, the US and

491
00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:53.920
Mexico worked together on regulations and procedures with this type

492
00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:57.480
of machine. I think that's good. Yeah, eventually we're all

493
00:30:57.519 --> 00:31:01.720
replaced with like better, more modern units that weren't as dangerous. Sadly,

494
00:31:01.759 --> 00:31:05.799
and like many lesser developed countries, they still have this

495
00:31:05.920 --> 00:31:08.519
kind of stuff and there's like cases of them being

496
00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:11.759
taken apart like this, oh, like in the Globals House.

497
00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:21.559
But because I mentioned Chernobyl in the beginning, I do

498
00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:24.279
want to say one more thing about Chernobyl and Mexico

499
00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:27.720
that I had no idea happened. So, like I said

500
00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:30.720
at the top of the episode, Chernobyl was devastating not

501
00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:35.039
only for the surrounding areas in Europe, but like all

502
00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:38.200
of Europe, not just like right next to you know, Ukraine,

503
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:43.599
but also Asia and Mexico. There were radioactive clouds from

504
00:31:43.720 --> 00:31:47.400
Chernobyl that traveled as far as Asia, and then also

505
00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:52.839
like toxic clouds traveling all over both Europe and Asia,

506
00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:56.519
and so you know, toxic fumes made their way to

507
00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:03.079
places like Ireland, I mean everywhere in Europe, and then

508
00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:10.440
in these places this contaminated toxic cloud rain or whatever

509
00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:16.880
contaminated food animals obviously also people, and so the Irish

510
00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:22.799
government authorities noticed that milk stored at some place was

511
00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:28.119
giving high radioactive emissions and apparently made the choice to

512
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:33.599
sell this radioactive milk. That's one version you made. So

513
00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:35.799
they saw that it was zeroactive and then they chose

514
00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:39.480
to keep selling it. Yes, that's one version of events.

515
00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:42.880
There's other versions from other sources that I also found

516
00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:45.480
that said the first time they tested the milk it

517
00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:50.759
was fine, and because nobody knew how far the effects

518
00:32:50.759 --> 00:32:55.119
of chernobyl could go, they didn't retest it after these

519
00:32:55.440 --> 00:33:01.039
toxic clouds made their way over all over Europe. I

520
00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:04.039
have to believe that version. I would think so, because

521
00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:07.799
it's like, how would they know? Yeah, so I would

522
00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:10.640
be more inclined to learn that they just didn't retest it,

523
00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:13.000
and so they thought it was fine when they sold it,

524
00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:19.079
because that sounds like nicer. Yeah. But it was sold

525
00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:23.839
to Gona Soupo, a government organization that was in charge

526
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:31.480
of securing foods safety for or extra food for Mexicans.

527
00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:36.960
Basically like it provided food for low income areas in Mexico,

528
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:42.440
and so it seems like the purchase for this powdered

529
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:47.079
milk had already been agreed upon before Chernobyl happened, and

530
00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:50.400
it was tested back then and it was it seemed fine,

531
00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:54.119
and they didn't retest it, and then some sort of

532
00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:58.160
radioactive rain happened, and that's how the milk was contaminated,

533
00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:03.640
not retest then sent to Mexico. Eh No, there are

534
00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:08.239
other versions of events where they say Ireland knew, the

535
00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:10.719
government of Ireland knew it was contaminated, tried to sell

536
00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:14.400
it to Brazil, and Brazil was like, no, we don't

537
00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:16.400
want it, and that's when they sold it to Mexico.

538
00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:18.360
But I've read both, so I want an is shore

539
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:20.480
both because I don't know which one is right either way,

540
00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:26.480
the milk arrived in Mexico the somehow Antonio Gonzales Kintania,

541
00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:31.599
the Mexican ambassador in Brazil, had heard about this contaminated

542
00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:35.800
milk and warned the Mexican Ministry of Foreign Affairs. So

543
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:39.519
seeing this, honestly does make it seem like the worst

544
00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:42.639
version of events is a little bit because how did

545
00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:44.840
he know to warn like he knew it was going

546
00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:48.480
to Mexico. So that's a that's a little at all. Yeah,

547
00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:54.159
but this warning when ignored, what for some reason, the

548
00:34:54.199 --> 00:34:57.599
forty tons, sorry, the forty thousand tons of powdered milk

549
00:34:58.119 --> 00:35:01.599
went into Mexico. Like I was saying, some sources say

550
00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:04.679
it was intentional, that both the Irish government and the

551
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:08.239
Mexican government were both being corrupt trying to save money.

552
00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:12.320
Maybe then it's not how I can go. Honestly, it's

553
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:16.159
not unheard of. It's not unheard of either. Yeah. The

554
00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:20.039
British Food Minister Joe Walsh would later go on to

555
00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:23.800
state that the product was under the allowed levels of radiation.

556
00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:30.320
I don't know, okay, either way, this radioactive milk made

557
00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:34.760
its way to Mexico to mostly low income communities. And yeah,

558
00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:37.679
I would assume that that's how the ambassador knew because

559
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:41.119
they tried to sell to Brazil first. Like again, it

560
00:35:41.239 --> 00:35:45.519
just doesn't look good for either government. No, but apparently

561
00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:49.199
two employees of a nuclear power plant like knew about

562
00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:53.880
the warning of the ambassador, a physicist and a vice admiral,

563
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:59.320
Manuel ro Digues Gordo and miguelance Vladawinos, and they tested

564
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:02.840
the milk and they warn't gona soup all the organization

565
00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:05.719
that bought it. They warned them not to send it

566
00:36:05.719 --> 00:36:10.519
out because it was like forty times above the allowed

567
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:15.639
reniation level. That's a lot, a lot, And they were ignored.

568
00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:18.599
And then they tried to go public with this information

569
00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:23.519
and they were put in jail. So for whistleblowers, seriously,

570
00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:28.199
that's a risky position they put themselves into try and

571
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:31.480
warn the people. So yeah, they were put in jail.

572
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:35.039
They just went ahead and with the delivery of the milk.

573
00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:38.440
And so the powdered milk went to Nestley Your cold

574
00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:42.840
ya cool to remember those drinks? Yeah, and even craft foods,

575
00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:44.800
which I was like, what are they doing? What are

576
00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:46.639
they doing in Mexico? Nobody eats mac and cheese there.

577
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:48.440
I don't know. I did see mag and cheese at

578
00:36:48.440 --> 00:36:50.800
the store, but oh, okay, it looked different. That's what

579
00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:54.159
we didn't buy it. Oh and so yeah, over forty

580
00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:57.079
thousand tons of powdered milk were sent out to these

581
00:36:57.119 --> 00:37:01.360
companies who might have not even been where because this

582
00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:05.199
was the government. Yeah. Yeah, And so it ended up

583
00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:08.679
being distributed all over the country, again to mostly low

584
00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:11.920
income communities, and to this day, the exact number of

585
00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:16.719
affected people is unknown. What is known is that the

586
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:20.400
percentage of childhood cancer between nineteen eighty seven and nineteen

587
00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:25.119
ninety seven increased by three hundred percent. That's a lot.

588
00:37:25.679 --> 00:37:28.519
That is that is a lot. I was just going

589
00:37:28.599 --> 00:37:30.480
to ask you, well, but do we know what happened, like,

590
00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:34.559
what were the effects of this? Wow? Yeah, I mean

591
00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:38.800
that can't be a coincidence. No, right, and there's no

592
00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:44.039
there's no statistics for this next part. But deformities in children, deaths,

593
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:47.039
and sudden illnesses did go up in nineteen eighty seven

594
00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:50.800
after the milk was like they looked back and saw

595
00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:54.440
that after the milk had been you know, delivered and

596
00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:56.599
got to where it was supposed to go, that these

597
00:37:56.639 --> 00:38:01.280
things were happening suddenly deformities, deaths, and sudden illnes is wow.

598
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:04.440
When you know when the milk would have been unknownly

599
00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:09.239
consumed by Mexicans, right, and yeah, that is the Chernobyl

600
00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:14.639
of Mexico and the effect of actual Chernobyl in Mexico. Wow,

601
00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:18.840
that's horrible. Yes, I don't know why I thought I

602
00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:22.199
would feel better doing this instead of a crime. I'm

603
00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:27.280
not sure, but yeah, those are today's cases. We'll take

604
00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:29.119
a little break here and then we'll be back with

605
00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:41.360
spooky recommendations, and we're back. Do you have a speaky recommendation?

606
00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:45.280
As a matter of fact, I do, okay, and it

607
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:49.519
is the same speaker recognition I had I had in

608
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:55.559
our Spanish episode, but this time ending less. So recently

609
00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:59.280
I listened to an audiobook by v cast show and

610
00:38:59.320 --> 00:39:02.800
I think it's her news. It's called Their Mortal Pleasures. Okay,

611
00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:06.199
So here's the description. Hundreds of years ago, she was

612
00:39:06.280 --> 00:39:09.760
known as La Malinche, a Nawa woman who translated for

613
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:14.039
the Gistallo Cortes. In the century since, her name has

614
00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:17.079
gone down in infamy as a trader, but no one

615
00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:19.840
ever found out what happened to La Malinche after Cortes

616
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:22.559
destroyed her people in the Ashes of the Empire. She

617
00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:26.559
was usually born as Mali nali An, a mortal vampire,

618
00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:29.719
and she has become an avenger of conquered peoples, traveling

619
00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:33.000
the world to reclaim their stolen artifacts and return them

620
00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:35.400
to their homelands. But she has also been in search

621
00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:38.960
of something more. For this ancient vampires still has deeply

622
00:39:39.079 --> 00:39:43.159
human longings for pleasure and for love. When she arrives

623
00:39:43.159 --> 00:39:46.119
in Dublin in search of a pair of aztex Golds,

624
00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:50.159
artifacts intimately connected to her own dark history. She finds

625
00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:53.199
something else, two men who satisfy her cravings in very

626
00:39:53.239 --> 00:39:56.559
different ways. For the first time, she meets a mortal man,

627
00:39:56.719 --> 00:39:59.519
a horror novelist who is not repelled by her strange

628
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:02.719
condition but attracted by it. But there's also another man,

629
00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:05.920
an immortal like herself, who shares the darkness in her heart.

630
00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:09.440
Now Mali Nani is on the most perilous adventure of all,

631
00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:13.000
a journey into her own desires. So it's very sexual.

632
00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:19.079
But my favorite parts were the historical fiction. Of course,

633
00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:25.639
it's like a retelling of Malon Nani's story and then

634
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:30.519
also you know what happens here after, And it didn't

635
00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:33.280
remind me of Sinners, but there is one part where

636
00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:36.440
it's like that timeframe and she's like in jazz club,

637
00:40:36.639 --> 00:40:39.480
so that Saise, It did give me Sinners vibes for

638
00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:42.320
that part, and like, yeah, it's like her life as

639
00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:44.320
a viper throughout the decades, and but she's like, but

640
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:49.280
something's missing. I gave up on love blah blah blah,

641
00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:52.760
and you love too, right, But yeah, she also talks

642
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:55.840
about the past, like the colonial pre colonial and colonial

643
00:40:55.920 --> 00:40:58.800
times and how her mom sold her and that's how

644
00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:02.280
she ended up being given into cortes By. That was

645
00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:06.280
like a stepmom. So this book and the other book

646
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:08.880
I read called Mali Nali both say it was her mom,

647
00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:12.960
so I'm not sure. Yeah, I thought it was like

648
00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:16.400
the new wife of her dad. Her dad died, her

649
00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:18.920
mom remarried, had a new kid, and then gave her

650
00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:24.000
up yet out to both of these books, and yeah,

651
00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:30.239
I just that historical piece was so interesting. And wait,

652
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:31.639
let me see if I wrote. I didn't write a

653
00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:36.239
review because I don't like I don't write reviews. I

654
00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:39.159
just read books. But I think I wrote like notes

655
00:41:39.199 --> 00:41:41.320
on it. Okay, I'm just gonna this was like my

656
00:41:41.440 --> 00:41:45.880
free thought. Okay, my what did they call it? Free

657
00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:48.920
free thought? I don't know, but like I like my

658
00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:52.480
just my thoughts. As I finished it, I just was like,

659
00:41:53.320 --> 00:41:56.639
you know what I mean, yeah, freestyle thinking. I don't

660
00:41:56.679 --> 00:41:58.679
know it. There's a word for it. I don't remember anyway,

661
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:01.719
I couldn't tell you. I put Jesus a vampire exclamation point.

662
00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:06.280
Judas also a vampire, but not a trader. He was

663
00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:12.440
also Judas Judas, Yeah Judas, Okay, because you know, we

664
00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:16.280
know him as the one who traded traded, and so

665
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:19.679
there's an interesting parallel here between both of them being

666
00:42:19.719 --> 00:42:23.320
known as traders. He bonds with Nani because they're like, oh,

667
00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:29.320
both of our stories are remembered wrong by history. Okay, Okay.

668
00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:33.440
V Castro and nan Cortes a villainous vampire. Mali Nani

669
00:42:33.599 --> 00:42:37.039
a vampi badass getting revenge against her colonizers. Yeah, so

670
00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:40.719
that's like the descript said, she gets her the artifacts back. Yeah.

671
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:45.119
But also he's the one that makes for a vampire

672
00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:50.440
oh my god. Yeah, he controls uh Mexico and make

673
00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:53.599
sures no like the vampire wise, I mean, make sure no,

674
00:42:53.920 --> 00:43:01.119
makes sure I'm gonna talk, make sure that no like

675
00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:06.360
colonizing vampire like vampires get into Mexico. He's like, never again,

676
00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:09.960
they am I living you guys? Okay. But yeah, there's

677
00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:14.360
also like there's a powerful like feminist retelling I guess

678
00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:19.360
of her story. But to me, so one thing I

679
00:43:19.400 --> 00:43:23.119
also read a while ago another book about Malee Nali

680
00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:26.719
called Malee Nali. I listened to it, I mean, but

681
00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:29.920
that one I didn't like because well, there was a

682
00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:32.840
lot of things I didn't like as much. I don't

683
00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:34.079
know if I wrote those down or not. It was

684
00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:35.840
a while ago I read it. Yeah, one thing I

685
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:38.599
didn't like is that I feel like Mali because that's

686
00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:41.039
all in the past. There's no you know, she's not

687
00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:47.199
a vampire, and that one that's what was missing. Anything

688
00:43:47.239 --> 00:43:51.840
could be made better by vampires, but no. But so

689
00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:54.599
it was obviously set in the past during her life,

690
00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:59.800
and I felt like she thought in a modern American

691
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:03.199
feminist way when it's that's not how she would think,

692
00:44:03.280 --> 00:44:05.400
That's not how she would I see, you know what

693
00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:07.679
I mean. And then the writing was kind of clunky,

694
00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:11.039
like very showy instead of no, very telling, instead of

695
00:44:11.079 --> 00:44:13.880
showing I think that's what they say, or have the

696
00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:17.480
phrase ghosts. So that's why I didn't like. And this

697
00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:19.400
one's kind of like that too, but not as much.

698
00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:24.960
And so all of that what I just said, you know,

699
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:28.360
vampire stuff basically, and the historical fiction was really cool too.

700
00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:32.239
All of that it was enough for me to ignore

701
00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:34.599
the cringy sex scenes, which is what a lot of

702
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:37.239
people hate about this book. And man, is it wild?

703
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:40.360
The only thing I remember right now wild cringey, though

704
00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:47.800
not wild good. Yeah, wild cringeing okay, it's crazy. Well,

705
00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:50.119
another thing I didn't like in I think I said

706
00:44:50.119 --> 00:44:51.840
it in the Spanish epiloade is that this is a

707
00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:54.760
vampire who's lived hundreds of years, you know what I mean.

708
00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:58.719
I don't believe that she would find a random white

709
00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:02.760
man so hot and they living for that long. I

710
00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:07.400
don't know. Yeah, and so they have the craziest fucking sex. Okay.

711
00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:09.519
I remember there's this one line that I remember because

712
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:13.719
it haunted me. Afterwards. They have like anal sets, right,

713
00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:16.880
and she's all like, I remember what they were doing.

714
00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:19.119
She's like they're making out or something. They did it

715
00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:21.360
already once and then she's like I want to counter

716
00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:25.679
and I put butter in my asshole like as lube,

717
00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:31.679
and I was like, excuse me, And maybe people are

718
00:45:31.719 --> 00:45:33.960
into that. You know, I don't wanna. I hate this phrase,

719
00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:37.360
but I don't want to yuck your yum lat. I

720
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:41.400
don't like that phrase. It gives me the it's itchy

721
00:45:41.519 --> 00:45:44.480
for me to say that, but you know, like whatever,

722
00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:46.559
I don't wanna. You could have just said we don't

723
00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:54.880
want to kink shame. I couldn't remember that word. Okay, yeah, yeah,

724
00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:58.559
if you're into that, Okay, whatever, maybe I'm maybe something's

725
00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:01.400
wrong with me. I mean too, but the way that

726
00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:04.400
it's and then yeah, there was so there was a

727
00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:07.400
lot of that going on. I just put some butter

728
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:10.519
in my asshole, so I went to the counter better.

729
00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:21.559
I was like, what girl? What? So, yeah, there was

730
00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:24.480
a lot of that, like my lips opened up for him,

731
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:29.360
like things like that, And but I thought it was

732
00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:33.519
really cute how she meets Judas and how he helps

733
00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:38.800
her defeat at National Days. And then oh Nan Cortes

734
00:46:39.079 --> 00:46:43.480
had an evil sidekick, his helper or whatever. They did

735
00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:48.880
evil operations together. They had a they had a business

736
00:46:49.159 --> 00:46:55.360
preying on vampires because they were making like skincare for

737
00:46:55.480 --> 00:46:59.440
humans for to maintain their youth from the blood of vampires.

738
00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:05.079
So you know what would Yeah, he would. It's very accurate,

739
00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:08.760
and it's so funny because when it's his point of view.

740
00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:11.239
First of all, I didn't expect it to be in

741
00:47:11.280 --> 00:47:14.079
his point of view as well, so I was like whoa, whoa, whoa.

742
00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:18.159
And then he's he's just horrible. He's all like, yeah,

743
00:47:18.199 --> 00:47:21.719
I regret nothing. Those the colonizing I did. It was

744
00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:24.199
the best time of my life. The only thing I

745
00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:29.320
regret is I couldn't colonize him more. And I was like, no,

746
00:47:29.360 --> 00:47:31.960
but he would, right, he would, he would, he would

747
00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:34.960
say that. So it didn't try to redeem out him

748
00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:36.880
at all. That's good because that would have been some

749
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:39.920
funniest shit ever though. But then, yeah, there's another historical

750
00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:42.840
figure who I want to say he's British but I

751
00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:45.199
forgot his name. And then him at the end he

752
00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:47.480
turns against a non Cortes and he helps out Maley,

753
00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:53.599
Nali and Judas, and there's a group of black vampires

754
00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:56.800
who have been hunting this British man who I forgot

755
00:47:56.840 --> 00:48:00.159
his name, okay, And they're like at the end, they

756
00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:05.840
all come together, beautiful, and they're like, just because you

757
00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:08.800
did this one good thing doesn't absolve you of the curocities.

758
00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:11.159
You have done your entire life. And so we're taking

759
00:48:11.400 --> 00:48:14.400
now and he's like, you're right, I'm going with you guys, okay,

760
00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:18.599
And I was like, yeah, it was a good time.

761
00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:22.639
It was a wild ride. Again. Some that the veccceines

762
00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:25.920
are too much for some people, and it ruins the

763
00:48:25.960 --> 00:48:28.400
whole book for me, to ruin it because everything else

764
00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:33.159
was like top notch for me. Yeah, but I liked it. Okay,

765
00:48:33.599 --> 00:48:39.000
but again it was a wild ride. Okay, okay, wow,

766
00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:41.679
I do recommend it, so though, I rated it out

767
00:48:41.719 --> 00:48:44.400
of five because it was such a wild ride and

768
00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:47.639
like for me, people like some reviews were like it

769
00:48:47.719 --> 00:48:50.119
was like a you know, when you watch something or

770
00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:52.239
you watch reality TV just because like you want to

771
00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:54.840
read something trashy. I didn't feel like it was trashy

772
00:48:54.880 --> 00:48:57.119
for me, but some people said that that that was

773
00:48:57.159 --> 00:48:58.960
like their kind of like how they read read it.

774
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:03.320
For me, it was like campy VAMPI I'm sorry, I

775
00:49:03.360 --> 00:49:07.320
love a campy thing too. It's the media. I'm there,

776
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:11.440
I am seated and I was yeah yeah. So a

777
00:49:11.440 --> 00:49:13.039
lot of the reviews said that that they didn't like

778
00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:15.039
it because of that it was like too much, too cheesy.

779
00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:21.800
The sex was like cringing. I liked it for out

780
00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:25.639
of five. Things don't have to be like, you know, literature, yeah,

781
00:49:25.840 --> 00:49:28.440
high row literature for me to give it four stars

782
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:30.559
if I liked it, I had a good time for

783
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:36.320
four stars. Okay, okay, four pieces of better around of

784
00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:44.559
five pieces of yes, yeah, all right, I do. I

785
00:49:44.599 --> 00:49:48.199
have a speaky recommendation. Oh the menu. I talked about

786
00:49:48.199 --> 00:49:49.920
it in the Spanish episode and watched the menu, and

787
00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:52.440
I thought, I don't think it was horror per se.

788
00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:55.280
I would consider it more of a thriller. But thrillers

789
00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:58.239
can be horror because they scare you anyway, writing like

790
00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:02.000
I'm not one of those like very strict uh definition,

791
00:50:02.199 --> 00:50:05.840
like no, that's a thriller movie. No, that's a drama

792
00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:11.880
a movie. So yeah, it was a good time. I

793
00:50:11.920 --> 00:50:15.360
also watched Night Bitch, which was a little silly and

794
00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:18.840
if you just lean into that silliness, and I kind

795
00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:22.079
of wish she really would have been turning into werewolf

796
00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:24.039
because that was all in her head, right, That's what

797
00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:26.480
I was way more fun. Yeah, it would have been

798
00:50:26.519 --> 00:50:28.760
way better if she was really turning into a were wolf.

799
00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:30.679
I think it could be made better by a werewolf

800
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:32.480
or a vampire. Yeah, it would. It would have made

801
00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:34.800
the same points in the movie even if it was

802
00:50:34.840 --> 00:50:37.480
really a werewolf. Yeah, I think so. Really, it would

803
00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:41.440
have been just better to actually do it. They should

804
00:50:41.440 --> 00:50:43.639
have just leaned it all the way. Then I would

805
00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:46.199
have loved it more me. Yeah, I would have loved

806
00:50:46.239 --> 00:50:49.000
it more. Yes, but it is and bars were a

807
00:50:49.039 --> 00:50:54.599
little too cringy, but it was overall. I would recommend

808
00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:57.119
it just know that it's not. It was. It was

809
00:50:57.639 --> 00:51:00.239
marketed as a horror movie. It's not, it's not. That's

810
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:03.760
what I also didn't. It's a dark comedy. Yeah. Yeah,

811
00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:05.639
And I read the book and I watched the movie,

812
00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:08.440
but it's the same thing, you know. Yeah, the book

813
00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:11.920
also not horror. It's yeah, and you know, I thought

814
00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:13.880
it was horror. I ended up reading it because it

815
00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:18.000
was one of my work book club picks, but my

816
00:51:18.079 --> 00:51:20.119
eyes were already on it, like I was already on

817
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:23.719
my TVR because I thought it was horror. Yeah, and

818
00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:26.519
it was marketed in that way, and you know, sorry,

819
00:51:26.559 --> 00:51:28.199
go ahead, no, go on. Oh. I was just gonna say,

820
00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:30.679
I hate when something says it's horror and it's not.

821
00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:33.320
But when something doesn't say it's horror and it is,

822
00:51:33.440 --> 00:51:37.840
I love that, you know what I mean? No, exactly,

823
00:51:40.039 --> 00:51:44.719
just too dump it, just saying exactly, yes, I agree,

824
00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:46.960
and yeah, if it would have been like if she

825
00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:48.840
really would have been turning into a were wolf, and

826
00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:50.880
it would be a horror, and I would have loved

827
00:51:50.920 --> 00:51:53.559
that more. So. Yeah, those are the two things that

828
00:51:53.599 --> 00:51:56.280
I watched, and honestly, I would recommend both of them.

829
00:51:56.679 --> 00:52:02.960
If you know that it's not toined to serious. Yeah. Yeah,

830
00:52:03.760 --> 00:52:07.440
I started to watch a movie in Spanish because we

831
00:52:08.039 --> 00:52:11.639
has an episode about it, Virus thirty two. It's a

832
00:52:11.719 --> 00:52:14.440
zombie movie somewhere in South America. I don't remember if

833
00:52:14.480 --> 00:52:19.360
it's Chile or Hurricane Tina or not even those two.

834
00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:23.159
South America for sure, though, but I started putting it

835
00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:25.280
on when I was trying to do something else and

836
00:52:25.360 --> 00:52:28.599
I couldn't pay attention to I really need to focus

837
00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:32.320
on that Spanish because it's not the same as even like,

838
00:52:32.559 --> 00:52:35.159
you know, Mexican Spanish is what I know best, so

839
00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:37.360
it's not the same. And so a lot went over

840
00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:39.119
my head, and I'm like, I really need to watch

841
00:52:39.159 --> 00:52:41.039
it with subtitles because there's a lot of slaying that

842
00:52:41.639 --> 00:52:44.079
I don't know the context of as well. So I

843
00:52:44.119 --> 00:52:46.440
started that and it was about to start getting crazy,

844
00:52:46.480 --> 00:52:47.840
but I was like, I need to pause this because

845
00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:51.800
I don't know what's going on. But I'm excited to

846
00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:53.960
finish that one. And there's another zombie movie that I

847
00:52:54.039 --> 00:52:55.840
never finished, and I'm like, why didn't I finish this?

848
00:52:56.280 --> 00:52:59.920
And people were describing it as more drama with zombie,

849
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:02.119
which I was like, Okay, I still love that because

850
00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:04.119
that's what The Walking Dead was. It wasn't just zombies.

851
00:53:04.159 --> 00:53:07.079
It was drama with zombies in the background. I love that,

852
00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:10.480
and of course that's what all zombie shows are going

853
00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:14.280
to be, because yeah, humans are going to be humans

854
00:53:14.559 --> 00:53:17.800
wherever the situation is, right right, And this was a

855
00:53:17.800 --> 00:53:21.599
Filipino zombie movie. It's on Netflix. It's the only Filipino

856
00:53:21.679 --> 00:53:24.360
zombie movie on Netflix. So you can find it that

857
00:53:24.400 --> 00:53:26.199
way because I don't remember the name. Actually, I should

858
00:53:26.239 --> 00:53:28.760
just search for it really quick. Hold on, ah, yes,

859
00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:33.440
it's called Outside. Yeah, it's a Filipino zombie movie. I

860
00:53:33.440 --> 00:53:35.639
was trying to see what it was like a rading,

861
00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:38.360
but I don't see five point one out of ten

862
00:53:38.440 --> 00:53:42.360
on IMDb. I'm still gonna watch it. I don't care

863
00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:46.480
because I mean, how many Filipino movies or is Filipino

864
00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:48.840
zombie movies are out there? I gotta watch it. So yeah,

865
00:53:48.840 --> 00:53:50.320
I started watching that a long time ago and I

866
00:53:50.360 --> 00:53:52.719
never finished. So those are two things that are zombie

867
00:53:52.760 --> 00:53:55.039
things that I need to finish. Yeah, I guess that

868
00:53:55.679 --> 00:54:00.360
brings us to the end of the episode, all right,

869
00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:04.719
Right before we go, I did want to add if

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