Nov. 29, 2024

La Casa de la Tia Toña and the Monster of the Andes

La Casa de la Tia Toña and the Monster of the Andes

If you ever find yourself in the Bosque de Chapultepec in Mexico City you might want to avoid crossing any bridges you might find because it’s said that the end of one of these bridges is the house of la tia Toña. 

Carmen shares the legend of la Casa...

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If you ever find yourself in the Bosque de Chapultepec in Mexico City you might want to avoid crossing any bridges you might find because it’s said that the end of one of these bridges is the house of la tia Toña.

Carmen shares the legend of la Casa de la tia Toña and la Casa Maldita de Apodaca in Nuevo Leon, Mexico. Cristina shares the true crime case known as the Monster of the Andes, in which Pedro Alonso Lopez admitted to murdering 300 girls across the Andes.

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Hi, This is Christina and Carmen, and this is another

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episode of a Spooky Townes, the podcast for all things spoogee, creepy,

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true crime, hunted places, all those things Latin America related.

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And yeah, were you Oh my god, Carmen keeps whisper singing,

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and it's that time of year where those songs just

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be sticking my head until ju I would say January. Yeah, yeah, yeah, man,

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I was legit obsessed with the song in like high school,

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was it really high school? I would like play it

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so much, and you guys would first It was like,

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actually remember because we used to play on the TV.

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We used to play like all the Christmas songs and

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that one you would play, and this isn't the one

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about fish, yeah loss, and that's another one we used

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to play or organs. Yeah, so yeah, those songs are

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going to be Sickona forever anyway. Yes, as all, we

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have a paranormal topic, Hunted Houses, which we haven't done

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in a while. It has been a while, yeah it

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has too long. And then I have a serial killer

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true crime case. But before that, a listener story. And

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if you want to send us a story, you can

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email at spookyosdmail dot com. You can dm us on

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our socials that you can call it a spooky hotline.

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I can't believe the whole time you've been saying this,

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Carmen is singing, Oh my god. Anyway, yes, you stop,

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it's distracting. Okay, I'm sorry, Okay, I'm just like not

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gonna look at you. And then the other option is

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submitted on discord. There's a lot of ways to get

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us to us, and we love receiving them. So yeah,

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are you ready to read the listener story and stop

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saying okay okay? This is from Janelle, who has shared

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a story with us before. Thank you, Janelle for all

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of your stories. Hi ladies, it's me again. Let me

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just say that I'm super excited to hear you guys

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read my story about my an and that shadow thing.

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I literally jumped out of excitement and in the process

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scared the crap out of my husband. He loved that. Yeah,

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let me tell you about an incident that happened to

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me when I was twelve years old, living in that

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same house, but in the basement. Well, this incident happened

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on a random afternoon when I got out of school

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and for some strange reason, I rushed home. For the

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life of me, I cannot remember why I was rushing,

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but it just so happened that this particular day, no

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one was home. So I rushed the three blocks to

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my house, ran up the long front yard, up the

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stairs to open the front door, and once inside, the

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basement door would be right in front. I would leave

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the front door opened to shed a light because it

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was always pretty dark, turned the basement light on, and

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just as I'm about to head down the stairs, I

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see you could only be described as a transparent figure

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that looks like a little girl with curly hair, and

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there actually lifted its arm and motioned for me to come. No,

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my mess, No, no, oh yeah, horrifying, Oh my god.

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I immediately slammed the door shut, ran out into the

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front yard, closing the front door behind me, and I

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sat in the yard closer to the front gate, terrified

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to even look at the house. I sat there waiting

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for anyone to come home, and eventually when my aunt

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showed up, and I pretty much stuck to them the

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entire afternoon until my mother came home. I did tell

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my family what had happened that day, and in true

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Mexican spirit, Those mfs told me, well, why didn't you

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go play with her? She was probably lonely. Oh no,

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of course they said that. Oh wow. I was terrified

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for a while to come home and no one being

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home after that incident. Eventually I got over it, but

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I wouldn't be the only one to see children in

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the basement. My brother and cousin once a while watching wrestling,

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heard giggling coming from the bathroom, which was directly across

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her bedroom. My brother ignored it because he doesn't believe

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in the paranormal, but my cousin decided to look right

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in the bathtub. Scared, she told my brother to look

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to make sure she wasn't going nuts. My brother, on

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the other hand, got up and closed about them door

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and literally told my cousin to be quiet because she's

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being too loud. Oh my god, not during the game,

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don't haut me during my wrestling. During wrestling, he himself

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had multiple incidents with the paranormal, but to this day

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he still doesn't believe in it. Insane Again, I could

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go on and on about the many different things that

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happened in that house. The hat man was seen multiple

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for real the hat Man was seen multiple times, more

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shadow children and the doll that would see without any batteries,

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and two different incidents where we thought strangers came into

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our house. Oh my god, Janelle, send those stories in,

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send them a girl. We need to hear them. We do.

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Oh wow, that's so creepy. The beckoning that got me.

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I was like, get out of town. I wouldn't I

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would die. I would run out too. No. Yeah, oh

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my god, that's that's creepy. I don't know that I

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would ever recover. Hey, let's move on to some haunted housees.

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I'm ready. Oh, I'll say, did you not write anything before?

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Before you do that, before we get into our spooky topic,

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I have to say I was shocked. I posted, I

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posted our regular Instagram posts, just an image of like

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episode one, eight nine, last episode. Yeah, and someone was like, wow,

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y'all really hating on board Patrol and something we've made

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clear and many times throughout the podcast. Yeah, I'm sorry.

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As a children of immigrants, we just cannot It's definitely

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not the first time it's come up. No, it's not

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at all, like at all, certainly not, and you've been

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on an apologetic about it. Yeah, we've like literally said

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it so many times. Yeah, and so this person commented that,

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and then I was like, that's what I said, as

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children of immigrants, Yeah, we don't and we never will,

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Like I don't know why. It's a surprise now, yeah.

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And then what are they right back? They said, don't worry,

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just doing their Yeah, no, they're just doing their their job.

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And I was like, well, they don't even our support,

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like they have the support of the government. They don't

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end this person or yeah they have no, I said,

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that's what I said. I said, they have the support

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of the government and clearly yours, like they do not

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need our support, trust me. And then they said Trump,

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it's gonna make it right in January. I'm like, are

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you saying it's going to deport us? I'm sorry. I

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was born in this hellhole. Yeah, and I served this

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hell whole country. Right. Where's the thank you? Where's your

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thank you? Where's my thank you for my service? Or

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ma'am thank you. I'm wouldn't be here without you. Sign.

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I can't even say that I signed the contract for

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your freedom of speech. You allowed him to say that

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we're being sarcastic. In case you can't tell, but you

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know it's fine. And the sad thing about these policies

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and this present return that's coming in up is that

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you and I were safe to people that are most

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vulnerable and at risk. Like that's who's going to be

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affected the most, right, So we can sit here in

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our little rooms and talk our little shit and and

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there are other ways to help people, no, of course,

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yeah yeah, but we will stay talking our shit. We will.

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We will do we get put on our list and

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stand to a camp now I'm just kidding. Yeah, okay,

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so I just sweate her to say that. Onto the

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haunted houses, now, yes, let's do it. Okay. So there's

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a famous haunted house in Neuvo Leon, Mexico, known as

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My Fault right there, and that's because the house is

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in the Nouvoleon neighborhood of Apolaca. The house was once

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inhabited by Brisa Amirez, who was given the home after

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a divorce trial, and her two children, Eddie and Daddio.

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But Risa's happy new beginnings never took off. Instead, her

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wonderful new home turned her life into a living nightmare.

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Oh no, not her winning the house and then it

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a literal nightmare and then actually losing is then actually

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losing to the end. Brisa told her story to the

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Netflix documentary Haunted Latin America. I don't remember, Risa. I

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watched that. It was a long time ago though it was, Yeah,

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because I watched years ago, so it's like gone from

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my memory. God, four years ago. No, I don't know.

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I'm guessing. I don't remember how long, but it was

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remember it coming out. It was a while ago. Yeah,

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It's like the years keep going, but I'm still stuck

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in twenty twenty, you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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In the in the documentary, Lisa said, dta ke nintento,

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the three may me ya familia and in inglass, I

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lived in a cursed home that tried to destroy me

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and my entire family. At the start of the Haunting,

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Rista would hear barefoot feet in the bathroom, but when

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she would turned around to tell her children to put

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their shoes on, she would notice that they were no

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one in the bathroom nor. As time progressed, the spirits

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in the home began to mess with her son's toys.

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Every night, Lisa cleaned up after her children and picked

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up their toys in the morning, she would wake up

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to the toys on the couch in a perfect straight line,

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and then she blamed the kids. Lisa soon found herself

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scared and paranoid and thought someone might be breaking into

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her home and lighting at the toys. I was just

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going to say, that's more far fetch than ghosts. Yeah.

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In her interview with Netflix, Lisa said that she felt

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like her head was spinning every day. Hirad Irokome, she

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told the show, So she was scared. First, she was like,

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I'm losing my mind, and then she was scared now.

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Adults Eddie and Daddio, also told the show that in

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addition to feeling a dark presence in their home that

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they tried to ignore, but they also started to fear

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their mom because she became aggressive with them and the

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neighbors and the They claim that their mom would then

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be unable to recall these tense incidents when she was confronted,

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so they felt like their mom was possessed. The family

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chose to stay in the home a few more weeks

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until Brisa began to sleepwalk and wake up in different

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places around the house with scratches and bruises on her

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body and That's when they decided they couldn't handle this

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anymore and they abandoned the house. But that's not the

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end of the story. Oh. Years later, Brisa remarried and

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had a son with the famous Monterrey radio host Morocco Palacios.

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They newlyweds who were disappointed after real estate deal. They

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better not did they move back to the house? They did?

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Oh my god? Oh did she forget everything that happened? Okay,

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So the Nila Weeds, who were disappointed after a real

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estate deal fell through, decided to use the house in

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apple Laca until they could close on a home that

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they like, but their stay there was short lived. Obviously

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not surprised, the couple claimed that one night, their new

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born's crib was violently shaken and a spirit tried to

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harm Morocco by pulling his hair. Oh he had long hair. Yeah.

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So.

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Although Risa and the family claimed that they were attacked

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by the spirit of a young boy, records show that

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it was a young girl who died in the home,

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and records show that on the day the young girl

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was murdered, she was being watched after by her five brothers.

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Oh oh, are they guilty? Somehow well, a neighbor took

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advantage of the situation and used candy to lure the

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girl to him. Once he had her alone, he killed

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the young girl and her body was found on the

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patio three days later. Oh my god. Soon after the murder,

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the girl's father left his wife and abandoned his family

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after accusing his wife of not keeping a closer eye

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on their daughter. What about God, I'm sorry, this is

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just gonna get worse. Okay, just oh, hold your horses, okay, okay.

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The enraged and grief stricken father came back days later

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with the gun and fatally shot his wife. Brisa and

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her family then moved into that house. Ten years later,

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the house still stands in Novo Leone, but it has

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transformed to a preschool for some reason. Oh, let's put

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more kids there, right, And to this day, several employees

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and teachers say that you can hear the girl's creaming

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or see her spirit appear near the windows. Wow. Wow, wow, Wow.

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That was sad. That's creepy. Yeah and sad. Yeah. You know,

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after I listened to that or not listen to watch

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that episode of Hunting Latin America, I thought that the

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mom was just going through a very stressful time and

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was just to busy the kids. And I think that

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shows that's what that's what I did from it. Yeah,

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I mean it happens, it happens, it does. So next

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we have la. If you ever find yourself in the

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Bosque de Chapultepec in Mexico City, you might want to

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avoid crossing any bridges you might find, because it's said

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that at the end of one of these bridges is

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the house of Is there like an actual address so

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that I can't avoid it? Can you help me avoid

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it by giving me the exact address? We'll see. But

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if you're one of the many who want to explore

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the haunted and abandoned house, just know that you must

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risk your life to get there, as it's said that

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in order to get into the massive house, you have

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to go through a steep valley and walk on large

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and celebrity steps made out of rock before you come

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across a path that leads you to a bridge. But

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the bridge is the hardest part of the trip. The

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bridge is in ruins, It's covered in rust and has

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no foundation. How do you cross it? I don't know.

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Maybe you have to like hang on it, like Shrek.

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Oh my god. Yeah, yeah, I was thinking a Shrek

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and Dunky when they have to walk across and they're

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like hanging there. Yeah, exactly what I'm picturing. Wow, No,

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I wouldn't. I simply could not physically do that. Those

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who get to the home report hearing an older women

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screamed that many believe belonged to thea once lived in

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the house fifty years ago. She was known as a

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kind and generous woman who opens her house to homeless children,

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and then they killed her. Well, let's find out. The

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older women would feed and clothe the children and give

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them a warm place to sleep, but the story says

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that a number of the children she helped were loud

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and rebellious and drove the old woman insane. One day,

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she couldn't take it anymore. The woman poisoned the children

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and then dragged their bodies to the nearby river and

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disposed of their bodies. I feel like she could she

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just had to say no more visiting me. She could

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have kicked them out right. Yeah, like, my house is

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no longer open to you, And that's okay. I don't

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think it was necessary. It was unnecessary to do all this. Yeah, later,

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that night, the woman was overwhelmed with guilt, and while

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in her room, she killed herself as a punishment. Others

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say that the Toia was pushed over the edge when

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she found the children stealing her money and jewelry, and

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raged by the betrayal, the'a Tonia either beat the kids

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to death or took an axe and hacked the kids

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pieces to pieces and before throwing them to the river.

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Oh my god, Donya, Donia, Donna, take a step back, Donia.

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I feel like there were other steps that could have

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been taken before you grabbed an axe and started hacking away, Like,

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I feel like, yeah, did you think about breathing?

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Did you think about leaving the room, taking the deep

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breaths streaming into a pillow, like that could be done?

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You know, wow? Yeah, man, Yeah, it was expecting this. Okay,

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I'm shocked, camel On. Okay. There's one version of the

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legend that says those actually the children who selfishly banded

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together to kill the old women so they could take

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her money. But their plan never worked out like they

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wanted to, because the old woman's spirit returned to haunt

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them until they died. Interesting, very different versions of events here.

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Because one is told by the kids and one is

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told by Donia's family. But what's the truth. I don't know.

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Maybe it's somewhere in the middle. I don't know how

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you get the middle from now. But I don't know

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what would the middle be. I don't know, no matter

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what version you believe. The adventure seekers who have risked

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their lives to reach the home report, in addition to

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the loud screams, an old woman's shadow is also seen

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it waiting by the windows. Those who are brave enough

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to enter the home say you can feel a dark

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presence immediately upon entering the home. Reports of hearing children's

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laughter and seeing tiny shadows running through the hallways are

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also common, but no one has been able to reach

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the old women's bedroom since. Many have reported that the

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frightening paranormal activity spikes as you approach the bedroom and

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has scared visitors off their property. It's even said that

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years ago, a group of twenty three students died while

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trying to make it to the house. It's a big group.

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It's a big group of yeah, students, that would make sense.

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This is a field trip. I don't know. The students

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were crossing the bridge when they fell through the rusty structure.

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Oh my god, that's a lot of people trying to

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get through a bridge like that. Yeah. The legend is

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still popular in Mexico City, and nowadays local officials have

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spoken out against a legend to deter people from trying

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to visit it. Some reports also say that the house

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has been demolished and turned into a luxury residence. Wow wow,

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I wonder if there's any newer boards from that luxury residence.

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I would want to know, right well, what a wild ride?

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He was shocked, asked, was I not expecting that at all? Wow? Wow?

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That's all we had to say. Wow. Yeah, what else

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is there to say? Wow? Noles Wow, that's actually its wow? No,

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no wow, not wow wow. Okay, Well is that it? Okay?

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So we'll take a little at break here and then

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we'll come back with my story. Here. Let's give a

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quick shout out to our newest patron member, Fred who

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just became a member of the No Mammes. Super serious, spooky.

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I still have to send your key chain out, but

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I will, I promise, And a shout out to the

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rest of our members, Am Marine Drosadio, Avery Lissandro Robin Oryan,

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and we're back and I am going to be sharing

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a case known today as El Monstro the Los Angeles,

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the Monster of the Andes. This has been on my

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list for a while and I forgot about it. That happens,

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so we'll just get straight into it. Also, like this

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is a terrible case, so like you know, warning because

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it's deal without what you will. Yeah, all right. So

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Pedro Alonzo Lopez was born on October eighth, nineteen forty eight,

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in Santa Isabel, Columbia. And from the very beginning his

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life rough this is this coming. Yeah, So his dad

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died before he was born, and he died during this

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period of time known as Valencia. Yeah, and this is

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what historians call the ten years Civil War that happened

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from nineteen forty eight to nineteen fifty eight in Colombia.

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The conservative and the liberal political parties fought in the

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countryside mostly and it started with the assassination of Jorge Gaetan,

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the Liberal party presidential candidate who was looking like he

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was going to win. And then, of course, instead of

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letting him when they killed him, causing the war. And

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during these ten years, at least two hundred thousand people died,

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including Pedro Lonslopez's dad, who was part of the right

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wing party. So he came from a very large family.

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It was him and twelve siblings. Wow. And the family

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was very low income. And it's alleged that his mom

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was a sex worker. According to reports, he had to

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witness his mom being assaulted and abused by her clients.

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It's very unfortunate, like no one should have to see that. Yeah,

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and he also didn't have a good relationship with his mom.

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She was physically abusive, and at some point, when he

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was eight years old, his mom kicked him out of

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the house because he was caught abusing one of his sisters,

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like touching them inappropriately. Oh wow, how old was he? Twelve?

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You sent eight? Oh wow to me? And again this

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is like speculating. So I know some people don't like that,

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but to me, that's like someone had to be doing

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it to him for him to know what to do,

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you know. Yeah, or he was witnessing his mom from

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that too, that too, Yeah, yeah, like he was seeing it.

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He had to have seen it. But yeah, some exposure

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to it, because otherwise it's not usually regular, right behavior,

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typical behavior. Yeah, So she kicked him out of the

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house and he was left to fend for himself. At

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eight years old. He then made his way to Bogata,

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and he became just a kid living on the streets

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and there's like a group of kids oh oh okay,

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and they have a term for them. While trying to survive,

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he came across a man who offered him a place

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to sleep, but instead of doing that, the man took

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him to an abandoned building and assaulted him, Oh, sexually

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assaulted him. God, so many people take advantage of like vulnerable. Yeah,

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children like that absolutely disgusting. It's terrible and like most

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kids on the streets do. He ended up joining a

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gang for protection. While he was living on the streets.

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Part of this gang, he came across an American couple

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that wanted to help him. They gave him a place

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to stay and enrolled him in a school for orphans.

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But this was short lived because yet again another adult

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just like fucking everything up. A teacher began to abuse

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him and he ran away. Somebody like just somebody adults

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like failing him, like he kind of you know, the

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what he went on to do could have been prevented. Maybe,

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I don't know, possibly, I mean, we know, like these

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kind of people have childhoods like this and write. I

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don't know, I don't think it's a major cause, but

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it is a factor, I guess, certainly a contributing factor. Yeah.

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So after this, he really started to participate in gaining

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activities like stealing cars to make a living. At some point,

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and either it's unclear, but at either age eighteen or

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twenty one or in between that time, he was arrested

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for stealing a car and sentenced to seven years in jail.

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And during his incarceration, he was unfortunately sexually assaulted again

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by two inmates. It's just like two or three inmates.

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When someone experienced so much violence, like, they usually go

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on to enact violence too. Yeah, around this time, to

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prevent you know, more attacks, he used like a makeshift

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knife and he killed one of the attackers. Two years

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got added on to his seven year sentence, for a

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total of nine years. Wait, how old was he when

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he was in was sent to jail or prison between

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eighteen and twenty one. Oh, okay, gotcha, gotcha. He was

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released from jail in nineteen seventy eight, and then he

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left the country. He headed south and settled in Ayacucho, Peru,

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also in the Andes. While he was in Peru, he

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sought out again people that belonged to like the most

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vulnerable groups, right, So he sought out indigenous girls from

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lower income families or just like didn't have families, you

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know that type of thing. He would convince them to

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follow him to a remote or abandoned area where he

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would then rape and murder them. He was actually captured

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trying to abduct a nine year old girl from an

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Ayakuchuan tribe. The tribe surrounded him and detained him and

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put him to trial. They took his clothes that decided

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that they would punish him by burying him in the sand.

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That's how he was to be killed. This was their system.

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But this never happened because an American missionary convinced the

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tribe to let him go and hand him over to

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the Peruvian police instead. But the police didn't do anything.

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What a shame, Yeah, because then he went on to

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do more terrible things. So instead the police deported him

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from Peru. And it hasn't been confirmed, but he claims

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that while he was in Peru, he killed over one

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hundred girls, mostly indigenous. Wow. Hopefully not, Yeah, hopefully he's

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just lying because a lot of these people. Yeah. So

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for the next few years he traveled back and forth

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between Ecuador, Columbia, and Peru, and during this time, several

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young girls went missing, but police failed to investigate most

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of the cases and they just thought that the girls

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were victims of human trafficking and so they didn't look

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into it at all. In nineteen seven nine, the number

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00:26:01.359 --> 00:26:04.920
of girls in Ambato, Ecuador. It's spiked like if there

446
00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:08.079
was a graph. There was a notable miles spike when

447
00:26:08.119 --> 00:26:10.759
he was there, and they's believed this was him. That

448
00:26:10.920 --> 00:26:15.119
same year, a river near Ambato overflowed and exposed the

449
00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:19.079
bodies of four missing girls who washed up ashore after

450
00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:23.799
the river overflowed, and those girls had been raped and

451
00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:27.680
then strangled, and it became a national story. In February

452
00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:34.480
nineteen eighty when a known businessman, bakery owner Hakome, became

453
00:26:34.519 --> 00:26:37.319
worried about his nine year old daughter who had gone missing.

454
00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:41.160
She failed to show up at home. That's so young, yeah,

455
00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:44.160
nine years old? Ivan Nova Ivanova? Wow, what do you

456
00:26:44.359 --> 00:26:46.480
nick name? Unless it's kind of there, but I've never

457
00:26:46.519 --> 00:26:49.559
heard it me neither unique name to me. No same.

458
00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:54.160
So she normally would go home, you know, right after

459
00:26:54.200 --> 00:26:56.640
school or to his job, and she when she didn't

460
00:26:56.680 --> 00:27:01.039
do either of those things, the family became worried, so

461
00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:05.640
Carlos Haakome put up fires, reported to the police, and

462
00:27:05.720 --> 00:27:08.559
she was found twenty two days after she went missing

463
00:27:09.440 --> 00:27:13.440
on March ninth, nineteen eighty, in a wooded area, and

464
00:27:13.480 --> 00:27:17.000
she had also been assaulted and strangled. Oh my God,

465
00:27:17.559 --> 00:27:20.400
and that's when there started being more attention to like,

466
00:27:20.440 --> 00:27:23.200
oh wait, more girls have gone missing in this town.

467
00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:27.720
So there were more bodies found, more girls they were

468
00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:30.160
identified as some of the other girls had gotten missing

469
00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:33.359
throughout that time, and they also began to show up

470
00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:36.920
in rural areas outside of the town. On March ninth,

471
00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:41.359
Pedro Lonz Lopez was in Plazad Rubino's market selling trinkets

472
00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:44.480
when he approached the food stand owned by Cadlina Ramon.

473
00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:47.359
He acted like he was interested in the food, but

474
00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:51.759
she noticed him observing her eleven year old daughter, Maria.

475
00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:55.079
Oh my god, mad Yeah, had also told her mom

476
00:27:55.480 --> 00:27:59.240
that Pedro at some point during all this, had asked

477
00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:01.880
her to go with him, trying to lure her away.

478
00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:05.160
She didn't listen, and she told her mom instead. She

479
00:28:05.440 --> 00:28:08.680
was obviously shocked and alarmed by what her daughter told her,

480
00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:12.079
and so she and this is all like in the

481
00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:14.759
same capitating in the same like as he was leaving

482
00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:18.039
the food stand. Basically, so she when her daughter said

483
00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:20.279
this to her, she started yelling and crying out her help.

484
00:28:20.599 --> 00:28:23.519
And then the rest of like the merchants and shoppers

485
00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:27.079
heard her and they stopped him from leaving, they apprehended

486
00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:30.920
him good, so then he was taken into custody, but

487
00:28:31.240 --> 00:28:36.599
he refused to cooperate and even when officers beat him

488
00:28:36.680 --> 00:28:43.680
up a little bit, which is wrong, but he did

489
00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:47.720
refused to admit anything. The police Captain Pastor Cordoba became

490
00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:51.200
frustrated because like, this wasn't going anywhere, and so he

491
00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:53.680
was like, I'm gonna look at this differently, and then

492
00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:59.480
instead of beating him up, he decided to befriendz Good. Yeah,

493
00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:02.240
I guess works because he started opening up about his

494
00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:04.920
past crimes. He's like, hey, hey, I told these guys

495
00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:08.160
who stop beating you up. I'm here to help, Like

496
00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:11.079
I'm your friend. You do you want some water? I

497
00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:16.880
ordered some food, some coffee. Yeah, man, yeah, I worked. Wow,

498
00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:20.119
you want to listen to the medium. But it worked

499
00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:23.240
because he started opening about his crimes and he told

500
00:29:23.319 --> 00:29:26.839
him like, stop looking into these human trafficking rings. There

501
00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:31.319
are none. It's me. It's all me, and he confess

502
00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:34.720
to the following crimes. So he was passing by ivan

503
00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:37.839
Nova's house when ivan Nova poked her head out of

504
00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:42.759
the door. He noticed her standing outside and once she

505
00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:45.319
went back inside, and he made sure that she was alone.

506
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:48.279
He knocked on the door and told ivan Nova that

507
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:50.240
he was a friend of her parents and he handed

508
00:29:50.359 --> 00:29:54.839
over like ten supres dollars and he told ivan Nova

509
00:29:54.880 --> 00:29:57.000
that her parents wanted her to go with him to

510
00:29:57.079 --> 00:29:59.519
the market and if she didn't listen, her parents were

511
00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:02.599
to be mad. So she listened and she went with him.

512
00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:05.359
That's when she went missing and was never seen again.

513
00:30:05.720 --> 00:30:09.160
Terrible pether Alonzo Lopez then took police to a bridge

514
00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:12.519
on the outskirts of Ambato bordering the town of Piqua,

515
00:30:13.119 --> 00:30:15.920
and they started to The police started to dig under

516
00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:17.920
the bridge and that's when they found the body of

517
00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:22.440
eleven year old Ortensia Garce, who disappeared on May fifth,

518
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:27.400
nineteen seventy nine, while selling newspapers to help prepare her

519
00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:31.960
pregnant mom. Wow So he had approached Ortensia while she

520
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:36.000
was crossing the bridge joining the two towns. He purchased

521
00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:38.559
a copy of the newspaper from her and then asked

522
00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:41.319
her if she could be his guide because he was

523
00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:43.880
new to the town, and he offered her money for

524
00:30:43.960 --> 00:30:47.599
this her, obviously trying to help out her mom, agreed

525
00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:50.200
like she needed money, so she followed him into the

526
00:30:50.240 --> 00:30:54.559
outskirts of town, where he assaulted her several times, then

527
00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:59.839
strangled her, and then buried her and and her newspapers

528
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:05.960
under the bridge. And then he led police to This

529
00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:08.599
is insane. He led police to one hundred and ten

530
00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:14.720
locations across the country where he had buried his victims' bodies.

531
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:18.599
Some they did find bodies that others were empty. There

532
00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:21.160
was nothing there, and they figured it was likely because

533
00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:24.160
of construction that had been done there or like animals

534
00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:27.519
moving potentially moving body parts. Most of these murders were

535
00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:31.680
all similar, like same mo so it was there was

536
00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:35.119
like actual like these all these girls were missing, even

537
00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:38.319
if the bodies weren't found, Like he wasn't exaggerating. Yeah,

538
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:40.960
so well, he couldn't like say all names of all

539
00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:43.880
of them. He just like took them to locations. And

540
00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:46.920
at the locations that were found there were girls that

541
00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:49.960
had gone missing, but not all the locations had Like

542
00:31:50.599 --> 00:31:52.960
I was just wondering if he was like exaggerating or

543
00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:55.359
if it was true. I feel like some of it

544
00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:57.880
was probably exaggerating, and obviously some of it was true

545
00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:02.519
because they were found. I'm hoping because if it really

546
00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:06.039
had been that many, that's a lot that's an insane amount. Yeah.

547
00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:10.559
So most of the murders were similar and usually included

548
00:32:10.599 --> 00:32:13.640
the following him befriending a young girl or trying to

549
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:16.279
befriend them, offer them money, or trick them to get

550
00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:18.480
them into a secluded area. And then they all had

551
00:32:18.519 --> 00:32:21.880
the same They were all assaulted and strangled during the

552
00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:26.839
During media interviews, Pedro Lon Lopez confessed that he was

553
00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:30.759
this is such a discussing thing that he said, but

554
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:33.480
he told the media he was drawn to indigenous girls

555
00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:36.279
of Ecuador because they were gentle or innocent, trusting and

556
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:39.440
willing to help him. More like, Oh, I'm just like

557
00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:43.480
so grossar right now. Yeah. Yeah. He also admitted to

558
00:32:43.599 --> 00:32:46.960
targeting young girls who were more vulnerable, which, yeah, it's

559
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:50.640
easier that way, yecause then there's less people asking questions.

560
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:54.240
He said during these interviews that he at times tried

561
00:32:54.279 --> 00:32:58.200
to abduct foreigners, but that was harder because their parents

562
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:03.359
seemed more protective. He eventually confessed to killing one hundred

563
00:33:03.400 --> 00:33:06.160
girls in Ecuador and then a total of three hundred

564
00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:09.440
girls throughout Ecuador, Peru, and Colombia. Oh my god, that's

565
00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:14.440
so many, it's insane. He was eventually charged for the

566
00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:17.880
rape and murder of one hundred and ten girls and Wow.

567
00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:21.720
Fourteen months after he was captured, he faced the judge

568
00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:25.680
but only pleaded guilty to fifty seven murders, but it

569
00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:29.400
confessed to even more during his interrogation. He was dubbed

570
00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:33.920
the Monster of the Andes and the death penalty had

571
00:33:33.920 --> 00:33:36.440
been previously banned in Ecuador, so he wasn't facing the

572
00:33:36.519 --> 00:33:39.200
death penalty, but a bunch of people were calling for

573
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:44.720
his execution, but this was rejected and he was sentenced

574
00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:49.039
to sixteen years in prison. Because in Ecuador, the justicism

575
00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:54.079
did not allow for consecutive sentences for multiple murders. He

576
00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:56.680
was only sentenced for one murder, even though he pled

577
00:33:56.720 --> 00:34:01.799
guilty to fifty seven. Now that's wild, right, But on

578
00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:04.519
top of that, he didn't serve the full sixteen years.

579
00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:09.840
He only served thirteen because of good behavior and he

580
00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:13.639
was handed over to the Colombian authorities since he was

581
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:18.519
illegally in Ecuador. The Colombian authorities began to charge Pedro

582
00:34:18.679 --> 00:34:22.239
Lonzo Lopez for the murder of Flaud Sanchez. She had

583
00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:26.480
been found again, just like the other girls, assaulted and

584
00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:32.360
strangled in Leespianal, Colombia, in May nineteen seventy nine, and

585
00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:37.159
she went missing after he had arrived in the what

586
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:43.280
was his hometown, so like very coincidental there, like he

587
00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:45.400
gets there and then a girl who was missing within

588
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:47.920
a day of him being there. Four more girls had

589
00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:52.679
been killed in the same way in these towns on

590
00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:55.280
the all the nearby towns by where he lived. And

591
00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:59.599
he after he was now in Colombia, he and then

592
00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:03.480
arrest did he confessed to killing several girls in Lesbia, Columbia,

593
00:35:03.880 --> 00:35:06.239
and he was surprised that the police never cut on

594
00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:09.639
that it was him. When Colombian authorities finally put him

595
00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:12.239
to trial, they were looking for the maximum sentence of

596
00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:18.079
sixty years six stage zero yeaes six Zeroka. But unfortunately, somehow,

597
00:35:18.119 --> 00:35:24.320
once again, he was not sentenced because a psychiatrist ruled

598
00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:30.000
him not mentally stable enough to stand trial. Fuck that psychiatrists, Yeah,

599
00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:34.079
and Bedron Lopez went on to tell the media and

600
00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:37.400
like psychiatrists, he committed the crimes that he committed because

601
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:40.079
life stole his innocence from him when he was eight,

602
00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:42.719
so he was going to do the same. That's no,

603
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:46.639
that's like such an excuse. Yeah, yeah, Like again, a

604
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:49.639
lot of people go through very if not obviously not

605
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:52.920
the same circumstances, very similar circumstantus and they never go

606
00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:55.119
on to do any of these things. Yeah. Yeah. He

607
00:35:55.239 --> 00:35:58.480
was sent to a mental facility for treatment. Three years later,

608
00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:02.280
he was declared and he was released and free to

609
00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:06.440
go on to live his life. His mother tells a

610
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:10.480
different story. She says that although the family was poor,

611
00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:12.639
they grew up in a living home, so none of

612
00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:15.360
the abuse of is true. She also says that she

613
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:18.280
was actually a laundry worker, not a sex worker. She

614
00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:22.119
also said that she never kicked him out, that he

615
00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:24.840
left on his own when she remarried and had more kids.

616
00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:27.760
But that's weird because he was so young. So honestly,

617
00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:30.280
I don't know, And obviously I feel like I don't

618
00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:33.639
think a mom would go out and admit this. I'm

619
00:36:33.679 --> 00:36:37.400
not saying this to defend him, but also like, if

620
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:41.639
those things are true, she wouldn't admit to those things, right, right,

621
00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:44.039
so I could I don't know if I fully believe

622
00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:46.840
or Also, like, he was like eight when he left

623
00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:49.280
the home. Eight year olds can't decide to leave their home,

624
00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:54.039
that's right, ridiculous. Yeah. She also apologized to the family

625
00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:56.480
of the victims instead that if she knew she was

626
00:36:56.519 --> 00:36:59.239
going to give Okay, this is like this is a lot.

627
00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:01.960
So she said, if she knew she gave birth to

628
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:06.079
a monster, she would have killed him herself. But it's

629
00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:08.800
like you don't know those kind of things. Yeah. Plus

630
00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:11.559
he's the only responsible for these things, right, like no

631
00:37:11.599 --> 00:37:16.760
matter what I think, right, no matter his upgrad upbringing. Yeah,

632
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:21.400
like he still did those things himself. Yes, yeah, so yeah,

633
00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:23.880
after all this, like the trial everything, when he was

634
00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:26.760
let go from the mental institution or whatever that he

635
00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:28.920
was at, so once he was like free to you know,

636
00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:33.599
live his life. He stopped by his mom's house demanding money,

637
00:37:33.639 --> 00:37:35.400
and she was scared and just gave him some of

638
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:39.119
her things to sell, and then he walked into the

639
00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:43.679
Andes and disappeared. In two dozen two, the Colombia National

640
00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:47.320
Police and Interpol issued warrants for his arrest over a

641
00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:52.920
new murder that fit his mo wow, And then they

642
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:55.079
were not able to locate him at all, so in

643
00:37:55.079 --> 00:37:59.199
two dozen and five the warrant was deactivated. In twenty

644
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:03.960
twelve came up again. He was named a possible suspect

645
00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:08.639
in a homicide in Dunka, Columbia. Jesus up to now

646
00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:12.079
he remains a fugitive and he's never been seen again. Well, like,

647
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:16.280
how old would he be? Now, let's say he was

648
00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:19.599
so nineteen forty eight, he was born K eight, I

649
00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:25.400
mean that's so old. Seventy six. Yeah, so that's I mean,

650
00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:27.960
that's pretty old. Yeah, And this kind of case, like

651
00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:33.280
I can't, Like I don't like doing serial killer cases

652
00:38:33.440 --> 00:38:36.719
in Latin America solely because it has to be about

653
00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:39.079
the serial killer. Like, you can't. We can't share more

654
00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:42.239
about the victims because there's so little known about them,

655
00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:47.159
especially in a case like this where all almost all

656
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:52.280
his victims were like orphaned indigenous girls. Yeah, like we

657
00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:54.159
can't because I like, you know, as much as I

658
00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:56.159
can try to share what I can about, you know,

659
00:38:56.360 --> 00:38:59.239
the people affected by this, and I can't, And I'm

660
00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:03.800
like try to, but I mean that's a pretty significant case,

661
00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:07.159
significant case. I don't love America. So at the same time,

662
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:09.360
I'm like, yeah, they should be shared, but I'm like,

663
00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:12.920
I just don't like talking about them this much. Yeah. Wow,

664
00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:15.559
But I mean what a terrible story. Yeah, And it's

665
00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:18.119
also so depressing because then it's just like it goes nowhere.

666
00:39:18.159 --> 00:39:19.840
He's like, all right, he just he was like, oh,

667
00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:22.119
he probably committed more crimes after he was like oh

668
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:25.639
and then yeah he was never seen again. Yeah. It's

669
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:30.519
just there's no like relief in parts of anything. Yeah,

670
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:34.400
there's like no, well what you said? Yeah, sorry, I

671
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:39.239
know it was, but yeah, that was the Monstre de

672
00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:53.440
Los Angeles. Yeah, all right, spooky recommendations, let me see

673
00:39:55.400 --> 00:39:57.079
if I had We're down. I think I know it was.

674
00:39:57.239 --> 00:40:00.320
I finished an audiobook. I did a lot of talk

675
00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:03.199
about mind while you're looking for yours. Go ahead. So

676
00:40:03.360 --> 00:40:07.320
my speaky recommendation is the show from a while back.

677
00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:09.880
Someone told me I would like it because of my

678
00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:13.280
obsession with the one King Dead, and then I'm remaning

679
00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:14.599
to check it out and I just had it and

680
00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:16.599
then I finally did and I finished it all like

681
00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:20.360
in three or four days. Wow again, because I have problems.

682
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:23.599
But there's three seasons. The third season just finished like

683
00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:28.280
last Sunday. But it's potential spoilers because I don't know

684
00:40:28.280 --> 00:40:30.360
how to describe anything without giving parts of it of

685
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:34.159
the plot away. But this family gets stuck in this

686
00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:37.800
town that wait, you didn't even say what it's called yet.

687
00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:40.480
Oh my bad. From I thought I said, from Oh,

688
00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:42.480
and then I would say the where's from? You might

689
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:43.920
have said it about I think I caught it because

690
00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:47.119
it's such a like it's just a word, like right,

691
00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:51.679
what a terrible name for like seo purposes, like if

692
00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:53.719
you try to search, I feel like if you were

693
00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:56.320
to try to search, like from where's the show from?

694
00:40:56.400 --> 00:41:03.440
Like from what? From what? Casts from from from what? So, Yeah,

695
00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:06.280
it is very a very like but then it makes

696
00:41:06.280 --> 00:41:08.760
sense when you learn. So this family get stuck in

697
00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:11.760
this town, and this town like everyone gets stuck in it.

698
00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:15.119
Nobody can explain why they're stuck in this town. Like

699
00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:17.920
they're just driving and then there's a road, but the

700
00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:21.159
tree that's fallen over. Everybody sees this tree, and then

701
00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:23.719
they get stuck in this town. There's these creatures that

702
00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:27.280
come out at night and like attack them ooh, and

703
00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:29.920
they're safe at night as long as they're in a

704
00:41:29.960 --> 00:41:34.280
house that has this like talisman that's up and if

705
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:37.440
nobody like opens the doors, because then these creatures like

706
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:39.519
try to trick you to letting them in so that

707
00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:44.559
they're gonna attack you. Very Sylum's not like where they're

708
00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:47.000
like the first episode, in the first ten minutes, it

709
00:41:47.079 --> 00:41:50.679
was insane. There's this little girl in her house. Then

710
00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:54.199
you know it's nighttime and this thing is knocking and

711
00:41:54.239 --> 00:41:56.480
she opens the window and then it's this old lady

712
00:41:56.519 --> 00:42:00.480
and that's aside. At some point she's but you don't

713
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:03.639
look at my grandma. Oh my god. And then she

714
00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:07.679
opens the door and the thing immediately just rip is

715
00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:12.079
show on. The first season is on AMC. I gotta

716
00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:14.480
give you my login. Oh you have that? Yes, I

717
00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:17.960
got it to watch all the walking deck things, remember, yeah,

718
00:42:18.760 --> 00:42:20.800
and it was so cheap. I just did the yearly

719
00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:24.639
thing the year yeah, because also you gets shutter with

720
00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:27.719
it and also watch all these gay movies. Shut her

721
00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:33.079
heads like satanic hispanics. Did I say that wrong? I

722
00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:37.559
think you said about say ten X. That doesn't make sense. Whatever,

723
00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:42.800
move on, anyway, they're all there. Anyway. Point is season

724
00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:45.440
one is on there, but season two and three are on.

725
00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:49.719
I got them on the MGM Plus subscription through Prime

726
00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:51.880
like just I just added it on and I cancel

727
00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:56.039
it because season four is not coming until twenty twenty six,

728
00:42:56.840 --> 00:42:59.599
but so far from now. Yeah, but you know what,

729
00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:03.000
when we visit, we can watch, we can get through

730
00:43:03.159 --> 00:43:05.199
if you start season and one. If I give you

731
00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:07.000
like the log in, you know, we can watch it

732
00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:11.079
together and then I'll cancel it after that. But yeah,

733
00:43:11.119 --> 00:43:15.400
it's so good. It's just it's so spooky. There's so

734
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:19.920
many serious mysterious like there's so many questions about the town,

735
00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:23.599
the creatures. It's so funny because as your I rarely

736
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:26.880
watch shows like in real time as other people are

737
00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:29.079
watching them, And then I found the stubreddit and some

738
00:43:29.119 --> 00:43:31.079
people are coming up with the most insane theories that

739
00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:32.800
just make no sense, and I'm like, just watch the show.

740
00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:34.920
People are out of pocket with their shit. I don't

741
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:37.039
I don't even like going on somebody's for shows because

742
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:39.000
I'm like, first of all, sometimes they ask the dumbest

743
00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:43.840
questions like why did she do this? And it's like cool,

744
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:46.800
they didn't, like what do you want them to do? Yeah? Yeah,

745
00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:50.639
they're getting out of hand over there. It's but the show.

746
00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:53.679
I highly recommend it. I think every episode just feels

747
00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:56.719
like some people feel like there was a it's like pointless,

748
00:43:56.719 --> 00:43:58.760
but it's like, okay, you gotta like like a mysterious

749
00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:02.360
creepy thing to like the show, like otherwise than it's

750
00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:06.559
like why you've been watching but no, But it's really good.

751
00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:12.639
So yeah, that's my recommendation. Okay. I finished the audiobook

752
00:44:13.639 --> 00:44:20.360
Lone Woman by Victor Laval, and yeah, it was amazing.

753
00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:24.679
I rated a five out of five. Let me read

754
00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:28.840
the synopsis real quick, Blue Sky's Empty Hand, and enough

755
00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:31.119
Wide Open Space which makes me think of that song

756
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:33.559
by The Chicks. Anyway, that's not part of the description.

757
00:44:33.760 --> 00:44:36.719
A wide open space to hide a horrifying secret, a

758
00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:39.920
woman with the past, am a serious trunk, a town

759
00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:42.719
on the edge of nowhere, and a bracing new vision

760
00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:45.920
of the American West. From the award winning author of

761
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:50.000
The Changeling, Adelaide, Henry carries an enormous steamer trunk with

762
00:44:50.119 --> 00:44:54.079
her wherever she goes. It's locked out all times, because

763
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:57.639
when the trunk opens, people around Adelaide start to disappear.

764
00:44:58.239 --> 00:45:01.239
The year is nineteen fifteen and Adelaide is in trouble.

765
00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:04.599
Her secret sin killed her parents, forcing her to flee

766
00:45:04.679 --> 00:45:07.480
California and a hellfire rush and make her way to

767
00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:11.079
Montana as a homesteader, dragging the trunk with her at

768
00:45:11.079 --> 00:45:13.280
every stop. She will become one of the lone women

769
00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:16.440
taking advantage of the government's offer of free land for

770
00:45:16.519 --> 00:45:19.519
those who contame it, except that Adelaide isn't alone, and

771
00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:22.400
the secret she's tried so desperately to lock away might

772
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:24.320
be the only thing that will help her survive the

773
00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:28.519
harsh territory. Crafted by a modern master of magical suspense,

774
00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:32.639
Lone Women blends shimmering pros, an unforgettable cast of adventurers

775
00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:36.639
who find horror and sisterhood in a brutal landscape, and

776
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:40.880
a portrait of early twentieth century America like you've never seen,

777
00:45:41.360 --> 00:45:43.760
and at its heart is the gripping story of a

778
00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:47.079
woman desperate to bury her past or redeem it. I

779
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:48.559
do want to get the book to actually read it,

780
00:45:48.599 --> 00:45:52.920
because thee I always miss parts when I'm listening, but

781
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:58.039
what I did catch amazing. I want to try to

782
00:45:58.039 --> 00:46:01.880
find that review. It's such a I don't know. It's

783
00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:04.639
like when you shared about the book you read of his.

784
00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:07.119
I don't know. It's like, I love a horror story

785
00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:09.320
that has like deeper meanings behind it. You know what

786
00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:13.880
I mean? Oh? Yeah, like the societal commentary. Yeah, with

787
00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:16.199
my horror, that is what I love. I mean to

788
00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:20.320
I love when my my horror gets political. I don't

789
00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:24.280
give a fuck. Same same people are like keep keep

790
00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:26.880
book talk political free and I'm like, give me more,

791
00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:31.599
give me metics. Actually, but also it's it's very silly

792
00:46:31.639 --> 00:46:36.199
to like say, to have that belief because like literature media,

793
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:42.039
it's like all social commentary. Otherwise it's like what's the

794
00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:46.000
point to me? I don't know. Yeah, but it's like

795
00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:48.760
a small town horror, which is not small town horror.

796
00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:53.679
It's like small town Uh, it's like homesteadying, like they're

797
00:46:54.400 --> 00:46:57.039
making a new fron tier and part of America that's

798
00:46:57.079 --> 00:46:59.599
not really settled quote settled, which the book does get

799
00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:02.320
into a little bit like this is not, of course

800
00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:06.920
it else land that this is actually yeah, yeah it

801
00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:10.159
was already someone's yeah, okay, God damn it. I can't

802
00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:11.840
find it. Is it this? I was gonna say, I

803
00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:15.239
love a small town horror because that's also from from

804
00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:17.199
It's a very small town horror because they're trapped in

805
00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:19.639
this tiny town. It gives me in the very Salem

806
00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:22.840
lots vibes. I can't find the review that I was

807
00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:26.599
like amazing, Yes, but there was like themes of like

808
00:47:26.599 --> 00:47:30.039
like shame, like holding on to shame as a family,

809
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:36.599
passing on shame, generation trauma, like love me some generation

810
00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:41.159
found family, racism. You're saying all the things that I

811
00:47:41.159 --> 00:47:44.239
love it. Yes, yeah, I'll just I'll just leave it

812
00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:47.920
at that, Okay, Okay, all right, well I'm excited to

813
00:47:48.199 --> 00:47:53.559
uh read it. What's it called again? Lone woman? Lone Woman? Okay,

814
00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:56.400
I'm gonna And also, yeah, did you know that the

815
00:47:56.400 --> 00:48:01.440
there was women home setters, like just all on their own. Yeah,

816
00:48:01.480 --> 00:48:03.159
I didn't know that. I'm surprised they didn't have to

817
00:48:03.159 --> 00:48:06.000
have a man with them. Yeah, very interesting. I didn't

818
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:09.800
know that. Okay, Well, are we at the end here?

819
00:48:10.519 --> 00:48:13.800
I believe we are. Okay, Before we go, just a

820
00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:18.039
reminder that you can support us on Patreon if you

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830
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those are just some things that we do over there.

831
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:48.199
We still have to record our vampire media. That was

832
00:48:48.239 --> 00:48:50.679
a lot of fun. I can't wait to do that. Yeah,

833
00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:54.800
because we did zombies already. That was fun, storm about

834
00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:59.079
four fine books, five books from that from the Zombie

835
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Yeah yeah. Yeah. And someone already, Modesto or Patreon member

836
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modest So he said that he watched the Train to

837
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busan after and loved it, and I was like yes,

838
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read read a stories to each other. You can find

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I did was to write address. So yeah, so I

850
00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:48.920
don't know what's going on with that. Normally it seemless,

851
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So I don't know anyway. Yeah, other than that, I

852
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don't know, we're recording the day before the day of

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recognize that day, so we don't have to do that.

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I mean, like have an eating you know, and I'm

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gonna be working, so I don't even care anyway. Yeah,

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