Haunted Islands in Latin America and the Pulse Nightclub Shooting

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Hi everyone. This is Christina and
this is MJ and Carmen and this is

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another episode of a Spooky Tell.
It's a podcast for all things spooky and

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true crime. That's right, we
do both now most of the time.

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Today is my part's depressing. MJ's
is not that depressing, and so that's

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cool. And Carmen's going to read
the listener's story. And before you read

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the listener's story, I can't talk
again. Sorryday, Yeah, it don't

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work anymore anyway. If you have
a listener story that you want to send

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More people are hopping on and sharing
their stories on Discord and I love it.

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We just someone else just sent another
one through. There. There's a

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channel literally called submit a story and
what else? Oh call the a spooky

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hotline. That's another option. The
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those are our ways you can send
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should everyone the topic just so that
everyone knows. I'm just going to be

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sharing a couple legends from like touristy
haunted legends, I guess, and then

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something about the Vatican made a report, Vatican and Harvard report. Yes,

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some paranormal news, I guess.
Yes, And then I'll be talking about

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the post nightclip shooting. So just
the warning about that if anyone wants to

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skip that part. Okay, are
we good? Are we ready for the

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listener's story? Yes? Ready,
all right? This is from Vanessa,

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who uses day them pronouns. Thanks
for normalizing pronouns. We love it,

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yes, so, Vanessa says,
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unspecified child abuse and shitty parents who
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highest bookies. Adore you, guys
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our people's stories and for speaking up
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like y'all, and I'm excited to
tune every week. Thank you, Vanessa,

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Yes, thank you. One rainy
Friday evening in Seattle, I was

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sitting on my couch with a hot
cup of tea. The lights were dimmed,

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curtainstrawn, and I had the sliding
glass door cracks so I could listen

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to the soft pattern of the rain. Sounds relaxing, but wait for this

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Suddenly I heard a woman sobbing right
south. Can you talk? Because I

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was so scared? Okay, loop
start over. Suddenly I heard a woman

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sobbing right outside the open door.
It sounded right and things for me.

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Close the door, lock way to
ruin the such a relaxing in evening like

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Seriously, it sounded like she'd walked
the length of the door, and when

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she got to the end, the
sobbing suddenly stopped. I was in shock

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because a crying woman interrupted my rain
ASMR. But I also felt a deep

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sense of sadness, not what I
would have felt. But okay, it's

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unlikely a human climbed the fence just
to sob outside my back door. Yeah.

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After sitting in shocked silence for a
few minutes, I closed and unlocked

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the door without looking outside. I
have no kids, and a supernatural woman's

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crying outside in the rain. That's
none of my business. Sorry, sorrows

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prayers. That night I dreamt I
was sixteen or seventeen years old and trying

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to convince my mom to leave her
abusive boyfriend. In the dream, he

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was a busy me and I wanted
her to leave him, so no harm

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came to my younger siblings. She
ended up kicking me out of the house

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instead. I woke up with that
same deep sense of stadness and with a

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strong urge to talk to my sister, who lives in the two oh nine

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shout out two nine. After sharing
everything with her, she said she spent

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the weekend helping out in the Queen's
child with almost the exact same situation I

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dreamt about. Oh, the situation
was hard and very emotionally taxing on her.

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My call gave her an outlet to
vent and process her thoughts and emotions.

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Thanks to the Weeping Woman, I
was able to be there for my

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big sister, who's an absolute saint
and is always there for others. Thank

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you and stay a spooky wow wow. Okay, horrifying beginning, terrifying,

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absolutely terrifying. Oh my god,
I would have just died. But the

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ending was so sweet. Yeah,
that's cute. I guess she did a

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good thing by I don't know,
somehow letting her premonition dream brought on by

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Okayna, I mean, honestly,
it sounds like she does more good things

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than bad to me. Okay,
Roona, we see you, but don't

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come for me. No, I
don't hear a kids by the river.

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Wow, but no, seriously,
thank you for sending your story. That

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is yeah, like we said,
horrifying in the beginning, but yeah,

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very sweet in the end. Yeah. I was so scared and it just

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got worse when she said like the
crying stopped, like when she got to

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the door or whatever, the end
of the door. Terrifying. Yeah.

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Yeah, so that's why you keep
your doors closed, guys. Honestly,

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you wanted to hear the rain,
especially at night, Like I understand why

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any hear of the rainet That sounds
super relaxing. But no, no,

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no for me. I think there's
a playlist of rain sounds on Spotify.

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You know it safe. It's safe
as whenever I don't have my sound machine

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for my kids, I just play
rain on Spotify. It's safer, guys,

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Okay, yeah, yeah, keep
some bugs out too, that too,

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Okay, So I go first or
you? Yeah, okay. So

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this is Carabeing Hauntings encryptid. So
the first one is from Roatan Bay Islands

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and Onduras and so Roatans is an
island forty miles north of mainland. It's

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frequented by many tourists every year,
and even though it's not full of all

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inclusive resorts like Kankun or Puntakana,
several big cruise ships like Norwegian Cruise Lines

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offer several cruises to the island every
year. The island is popular with tourists

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because of its excursions, local animal
life and cuisine. But before I get

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into the reporting hauntings that are happening
on the island, here are some background

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or fun facts about the island.
Oh I love on facts. Roatan is

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the largest and most developed of the
Bay Islands. By the seventeenth century,

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more than five thousand pirates lived on
the island of Rowatan, and famous pirates

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like Blackbeard, Van Horn and Henry
Morgan have visited it. I can never

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say it visited it there we go, good job, but wow. Roatan

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is home to the second largest coral
reef in the world, the Mesoamerican Reef,

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giving the perfect opportunity for snorkelers and
divers to explore an underwater garden.

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This reef stretches seven hundred miles all
the way from the Yucatan Peninsula to the

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Bay Islands. In seventeen ninety seven, the island began to be inhabited by

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Black Caribs who were initially from Saint
Vincent but were then deported by the British.

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More than five thousand Black Caribs were
deported, but when the deportees landed

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on Roatan on April twelfth, seventeen
ninety seven, only about two thousand,

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five hundred had survived the trip to
the island. Oh my god, Oh

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my god, I'm sorry. Those
the numbers went over right over my head.

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What are they? Oh? Yeah, krmen need's numbers twice. Okay.

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It says more than five thousand Black
Carabs were deported, but when the

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deportees landed on Rohtent Island on April
twelfth, seventeen ninety seven, only about

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two thousand, five hundred have survived, so about half oh Wow died.

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They established a settlement of Punta Borda
and later became known as the Garifuna people.

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Their descendants lived there to this day
and still speak the Garifuna language,

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create the culture's unique music, and
perform traditional dances. The island is home

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to two cruise ship ports. Roatan, especially its caves, are said to

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be haunted by duppies, which is
the local word for ghosts. And comes

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from West Indian folklore. According to
locals, pirates would hide their treasure in

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the caves. Local legends said that
the pirates would always kill a man over

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the spot they hid their treasure,
so the ghosts of their victim would guard

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their treasure. That's one way to
do it. Literally, they went from

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zero to one hundred real quick.
The islanders are also scared of the duppies

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that, even though they believe they're
buried treasure in the cave, they won't

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go looking for it because they believe
the duppies will punish them if they do.

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Others believe that after years of guarding
the treasure from looters, duppies actually

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get bored and make themselves visible to
the people and then guide them to the

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treasure. Oh okay. Locals also
believe that nearby island of Santa Elena is

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haunted by pirates. No one lives
on the island, which is quite large

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and completely covered in palm trees.
Some other locals go there during the day

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to collect sand and palm France,
but they all leave before sunset and never

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attempt to go there at night,
since that's reportedly when the duppies come out.

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Smart very okay. And this next
story is those bmbns bmbns. Oh

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I saw this word. I thought
it was, yeah, something like that

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bmbns. Bmb is that I never
bembians. I'm going to go with what

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you said, Yeah, something like
that. And it's in bao Uruco,

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Dominican Republic. Loos. Bimbianists are
a Dominican cryptid that live in the mountains

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of Vauruco, which is a province
in the southwestern part of the country.

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The province is also home to Lake
Endriguillo and Nieba Mountain Range, which helped

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to draw tourists to the area,
but be aware that if you visit the

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area, you might come across a
bimbian. According to reports, these strange

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humanoids were first sighted around the seventeen
hundreds. Local legends says that they're believed

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to have once been enslaved Native Americans
and Africans who escaped white settlers and hid

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in the mountains. Eventually, as
time went on, the people mutated into

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those Bimbians, which are described as
half human creatures that are about the size

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of child and walk backwards. These
cryptids also grunt and graul when communication with

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each other. Are known to be
agile, good climbers, aggressive, and

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unfriends. Those bmbns usually hide in
the mountains during the daytime, but come

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out in groups at night to hunt
for food. Eating humans isn't out of

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the question for the bmbns either.
Some are even said to hunt down humans

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to use them as human sacrifices.
It's said that the bmbns also elude captivity

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for centuries because their backwards feet make
it hard to follow their tracks. Interesting,

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this feels racist. Two, this
reminds me of two things. Lasi

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Waa, which is another legend from
the Dominican Republic. I feel like we've

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talked about Lasia. Yes, yes, okay, you I thought so,

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yeah, okay. And I mean
just a reminder of the Seawapa, like,

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according to legend, is a I
mean it's not a human, but

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it's like human like, but their
feet are backwards, they have very long

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hair, they're short but not like
tiny like a luende. And they live

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in the jungles of the Dominican Republic, and they like lure men into the

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jungle and kill them. Yes,
but it also reminded me of the Dwen,

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which is a when they like thing
from Nia and Tobago. So yeah,

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very I mean they're all very similar
to medwhen this and these things and

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even see wapas when they like so
so yeah interesting. It has that like

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little people think like lower tropyaom and
aren't his feet also back? I think

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so yeah, and he's short too, so very interesting. That was it.

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That was it? You have your
okay, you want me to do

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that? Okay. This is a
little like paranormal news that I found interesting

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because I guess it's international news when
you think about it. Okay. So.

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Harvard scientists suggests that aliens may be
living among us in a study title

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the Crypto Terrestrial Hypothesis, A Case
for scientific Openness to a concealed Earthly Explanation

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for Unidentified anomalist Phenomena. That is
the title. That's a long title,

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and also the thought of aliens of
it among us? No, thank you,

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very cool. Oh. In this
study, we were given three hypotheses

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to explain UAPs. The first hypothesis
is that these UAPs come from an ancient

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human civilization that has branched off and
has more advanced tech than we do.

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I've heard this one and this in
theory has been popular in the UFO community

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for I feel like decades, I
can see this being plausible explanation. I

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mean, there are many there were
many species of human and like it's not

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always Homo sapiens. You had like
Neanderthals and Sovians just to name a few.

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And I mean, so far twenty
one human species have been identified by

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scientists. Homo sapiens aka us lived
among other species of human for a while,

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which is why it suggests we have
Uncanny Valley. It's human, but

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not quite. It's probably to help
us tell the difference between other human hominid

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species. A lot of people think
that Homo sapiens were the smartest of all

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the human species, but that's not
true. So much evidence has come forward

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about Neanderthals Neanderthals my bad, being
dummies, right, yeah they were,

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but they were actually extremely smart.
They had their own language culture, and

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they were the first species of human
to bury that they're dead with flowers as

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a symbol for mourning. Wow,
they're just like uds. Yeah, And

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actually almost every single human on the
planet has uh some Neanderthal DNA. Interesting,

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I thought it was like seventy percent
of people that's the majority. Fool,

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You're right, and the people with
the highest Like I guess DNA of

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Neanderthals are white, are the whites
or the Europeans. So Homo floriensis,

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aka the real life Hobbits actually fit
the hype for great aliens. So actually

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that is cute. Yeah, they
were like three feet tall and they were

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they were discovered in Indonesia a few
years back. So I can see where

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this theory has its merit, especially
because like technically Neanderthals didn't go extinct,

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they kind of like mixed with Homo
sapiens, So I get it. Yeah,

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and it's totally plausible too that there
was like some other like Homo sapien

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civilization that was just like I'm not
with this mess with your little wars and

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I'm just going to do and keep
protecting my people. And I could totally

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see that happening. So the second
theory is another species non human that had

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evolved intelligently outside of prominants. That
would be like I saw that one article

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suggested like a smart reptile that had
evolved from the dinosaurs. Oh, is

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this where reptilians come from? Which
also reminded me of that. But I

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can see that reptilians like the QAnon
theory, I guess, but like they

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just I don't think they suggest that
they like shape shift. Reptilians were encrypted

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before q oh, and they just
kind of like took it. Yeah,

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and I feel like this is also
doesn't mean like they actually shape shift into

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humans. They just feel like this
is like a speci of some kind of

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animals that lived before that became intelligent. And this can go many ways,

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Like if you think about it,
octopuses are really smart, like really really

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intelligent. I don't eat them because
I feel like they're too sentient. I

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also don't eat squid because I also
feel it's too sentient with Calamari squid.

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Okay, oops, I love it
too, but I was like, oh,

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they're just too smart, They're too
sentient. There's several animals that I

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could see like maybe in a few
million years and maybe this happened before.

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So yeah, so why not super
smart super scient something from back back,

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Yeah, two hundred million years ago. God is smart as us, you

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know. The last theory is time
travel like time traveling humans, which I've

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heard this one, which is like
the one that everybody really thinks it is,

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which is like so Harvard is actually
like taking all this into consideration,

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which I think is crazy. Well, I feel like ever since that one

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report where the government like acknowledged you, I think everywhere has gotten a little

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more accepting of the idea of all
of this, All of this what the

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scientist said is like the you know, the tic tac ufo and stuff.

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Nothing, none of it makes sense, Like it's so outlandish, but it's

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real that why can't we have outlandish
series and then disprove one by one until

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we get to the correct one.
These three theories are not as outlandish as

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you really think they are, which
is crazy in itself because it took like

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decades and people being called crazy,
and here here's Harvard scientists saying like,

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hey, maybe yeah, so a
lot of people are owed an apology I

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think, being called crazy and yeah, okay, So this next paranormal report,

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the Vatican released NU guidelines regarding the
supernatural phenomenon miracles, apparitions, et

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cetera, So basically new guidelines regarding
how the Vatican will qualify something as supernatural.

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The talk about aliens was asked to
the Vatican and they basically said that

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it isn't their field of operation and
they don't know anything regarding that, and

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pretty much if a Catholic member of
the faith requires help, then they will

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do what they can, but they
are not involved in it. Okay,

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So basically they were like, we
don't know her. They said, they

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don't know much about it, but
if someone of the Catholic faith asks,

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they're going to help a little bit
and investigate the care. But they are

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not ruling out the possibilities of aliens
either. However, the guidelines that are

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about miracles and the beautification of saints. Basically, to dumb it down a

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bit, science has to rule out
everything, and once you rule out everything

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and there's still no explanation, then
you have a miracle and or something paranormal.

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And due to today's technology, anyone
with a phone can create a miracle.

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So the criteria in order for something
to be deemed unexplained has become more

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difficult. Science basically cannot explain it
and it has to be an anomaly medical

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or otherwise. But the Vaticans guidelines
are mostly for operations of mary and how

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they will rule them out. However, interestingly enough, the Vatican does have

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a term for UFOs slash UAPs.
They call them rests in esplicate volants,

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which is Latin for unexplained flying things. That sounds cool. I like the

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name. I like it, yeah. And what does UAP have to do

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with Maryan apparitions? Many of the
sightings of Mary have been linked to UAP

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activity. For instance, the apparition
of the Lady of Fatima. I'm just

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shocked. Yeah, So, for
instance, the apparition of the Lady of

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Fatima in Portugal was a UAP's.
It was an unidentified aerial phenomenon which the

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Catholic Church and other scientists who who
were studying it still cannot be like it

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was this it was that it was
actual UAP. And these guidelines are great

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for a number of reasons, when
the Vatican will now be the only deciding

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body when it comes to apparitions,
and while many will be like what why

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the Vatican in which I understand this
helps prevent people from being taken advantage of

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impoverished people in the Catholic community may
spend what little money they have in hopes

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of a miracle by going to one
of these places, and there is an

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alleged apparition. They don't want people
in desperate situations to be taken advantage of

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opinions of the Catholic Church as side. This is a good step to take

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to minimize the exploitation of impoverished Catholic
communities. It is an important thing to

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do. How many of us in
the Latin American community have heard of or

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no of people being taken advantage of
when it comes to curanderos and other things.

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When people are desperate and looking for
a miracle for their ailments. It

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is a problem and it is an
important step to take. Okay, you

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know this precaution that they are taking. She for grandparents who are like,

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see something on the internet and then
they're like, oh did you see you

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know, Jesus was here, and
it's like no, no, this is

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ai. Yeah, and that is
all interesting, very interesting. Okay.

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back. Okay. So, yes, I am talking about the Pulse nightclub

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shooting. You know, just trigger
warning for like mass murder, and yeah,

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I think that covers it. Okay, So to go a little bit

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into what happened that day and then
we'll go to more details. But on

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June twelve, twenty sixteen, a
gunman opened fire at the Post nightclub in

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Orlando, Florida. Forty nine people
were killed and fifty three were wounded,

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and over ninety percent of those who
were killed and wounded. I mean,

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we're Latino, Latine, LATINX and
it's Pride month, and this horrific crime

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truly affected the Latina community of Florida, and I mean like all over the

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US really, and I feel like
only the Latina organizations were the ones like

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really talking about how this was the
Latina community that was mostly affected. Yeah,

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So to speak a little bit as
someone that puts the B in LGBTQ

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and has been part of the community, there's a lot of racist white LGBTQ

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people, a lot of too many
really, and then they use their identity

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to like justify like, yeah,
it's called pink washing. It's an issue

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like how are you going to be
marginalized part of a marginalized community and continue

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to marginalize others. But because at
the end of the day, they're still

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white. Yeah, that's true,
and they're align with white supremacy, So

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it is. It's a huge issue. It's a huge issue. Yeah,

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And these things are all tied,
as we say many times here on as

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pooky tails. And so that's why
I wanted to talk about it today because

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it was a crime that affected the
Latina community, the LGBTQ plus Latina community,

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and I've been wanting to cover for
a while, and now that we're

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doing true crime in every episode,
I was like, this is the perfect

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time. It's Pride Month. So
yeah, so to get into the club

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first. Pulse was founded in two
thousand and four by Barbara Poma and Ron

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Legler. Barbara named the club Pulls
after her brother John, who had died

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from AIDS in nineteen ninety one.
She said, it's name for John's pulse

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to live on, which I am. I crying right now when I was

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reading it before John became sick.
He was the life of the party,

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and he introduced Barbara to the underground
night Live where they grew up in for

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Lauderdale, and so they were out
partying together. He was, you know,

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showing her the scene and she didn't
know anything about it, but she

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felt so welcomed, even though she
wasn't part of Like she wasn't any type

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of uh RGBTQ herself. Yes,
thank you, but she just felt so

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welcome. You know, there is
something about gay clubs like there's nothing else

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like it out there. I love. They really are inclusive and protective of

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femininity, in which I can appreciate
because it's one of the few places where

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femininity is accepted and loved and celebrated. Yes, yeah, yeah, I

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love it. And you're least likely
to be grow up there. Also,

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though it is a problem, I
heard it as a problem that a lot

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of straight women bring their straight partners. Yeah, leave them at home.

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Nobody wants them there. Also,
I don't I feel like if you're just

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with your straight friends, you shouldn't
go there, but if you're with your

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gay friends, you can't go there. It's a good rule. Yeah,

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because you hear about bachelorette parties and
they're not like they're just like straight and

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they go there, you know,
and I'm like, I don't. I

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don't know if that's right. I
feel. I do understand though, like

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the safety, the wanting the safety
thing, because yeah, I get that

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too, but also be aware and
don't be disrespectful. Like a lot of

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times what is called self aware.
Be self aware because a lot of people

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are not and they go into places
where there are guests and they don't behave

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like guests. Yeah, behave like
a guest. Okay, that's the rule.

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And I don't know if you're going
to get into it, but I

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know, like, oh, for
a lot of LGBTQ people when they go

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to like gay club and stuff,
it's like it's more than just like going

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out, like if I were to
go to the club and dance, you

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know what I mean, Like because
it's one of the first places that probably

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is welcoming and celebrating and of accepting
of who they are. So it's like

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it's it's so much more like communal. And yes, it's funny you say

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that because Barbara even on the website
of polls, she said it's more than

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a club's on there, and yeah
it is, and that's what she felt

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like when she was partying with her
with her brother. And so when he

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died in nineteen eety one after battling
HIV which turned into AIDS for years,

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that's when she opened Polls to create
a place like where what he first introduced

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her to. She wanted to make
that for everyone. And so it was

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a gay bar, a gay club, but it was so much more than

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that. It was a safe place
for the LGBTU plus community and it served

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also as a place for the community
to learn about HIV prevention, breast cancer

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awareness, and immigrant rights. Wow, they did all of that too,

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and they partnered with a lot of
educational and advocacy groups like Come Out with

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Pride and Equality Florida. So really
more than just a club and like lead

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that out in all senses. Yeah, and so the club again more than

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a club. It was very very
popular. There was in a list of

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Orlando in like the top ten clubs
and so. On June eleventh, twenty

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sixteen, it was the club's weekly
Latin night and it was packed. Clubgoers

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were having a good time, dancing, drinking, drag. Queen Kenya Michaels,

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a rue Paul Drag Race contestant had
just finished performing and it was amazing.

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And then last call was announced around
two am, and so now it

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was Tune twelve. There were about
three hundred and twenty people in the club

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when last call was announced, and
then out of nowhere, gunshots were fired

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near the entrance. Adam Gruhler,
who was an off duty officer working that

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night as a security guard, he
was armed, and so he pulled out

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his gun and he tried to shoot
back at the gunman and their gun battle

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was brief because the gunman had a
semi automatic rifle and a semi automatic pistol,

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and so Adam Gruler he had to
retreat because he was like my weapon,

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I can't like I'm not I don't
have enough firepower to like try and

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get him. So he you know, retreated and hit somewhere, and he

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called for backup. And because he
was an officer, I think, and

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he was the one that called for
backup aside from like maybe phone calls that

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club goer's room, making the police
are very quickly two oh four, So

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in four minutes, wow, wow, yeah, And I heard, Yeah,

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that is unheard of because their take
for fucking ever. Yeah, yeah,

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so it was an additional units,
so I think a pair of officers

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together in their car. But still, like that was very fast. So

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as he retreats, the gunman continues
firing, hitting at least a dozen club

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goers, like within seconds. Panic
obviously ensued. You know, people are

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running away and he's just killing them
as they're trying to run away. So

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the additional officers arrived at two o
four. When they got inside, Adam

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told them the gunman was on the
patio and then the officers joined him where

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they were trying to fight out the
gunmen together in hopes of stopping him,

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and the gunman was firing back at
the officers, but then he ran into

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one of the bathrooms, which then
created a hostage situation because a ton of

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people ran into the bathroom to try
and hide when they first heard gunshots.

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So at two o nine, there
was a warning appeared on the club,

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the club's Facebook page that said everyone
get out of polls and keep running.

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Oh my god, that's so,
that's so horrible. Yeah, some people

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were able to do so, and
not everyone could, Like people were trapped

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and and he'll cologne he had been
at the club with his friends when they

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heard the gunshots and they ran,
but Hill was shot three times when they

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were running away, and he fell
and then he was trampled because there was

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so many people there, so he
was stuck on the floor and he saw

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as the gunman was just shooting the
people around him, but he played dead

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and he survived. Oh my god, it's just like it's so horrifying.

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Ray Ravenna, he was the DJ
that night. He took cover behind his

402
00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:48.640
booth and then hit two other people
with him, and the three were able

403
00:29:48.680 --> 00:29:52.240
to escape together. And there was
a lot of people that had been wounded,

404
00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:56.000
but they were still alive playing dead
on the dance floor, which worked

405
00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:59.960
through some people and some people.
I didn't Swat arrived around to eighteen,

406
00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:04.319
So again that's pretty fast because everything
started at two am. The gunman was

407
00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:08.519
still in the bathroom, and so
someone else that was at the club,

408
00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:14.279
Patients Carter. She was there with
her friends. She was on vacation with

409
00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:18.000
them. They had arrived two posts
at bed night and before everything happened.

410
00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:22.680
She described the night as magical and
like she felt, I don't know alive,

411
00:30:22.839 --> 00:30:26.599
welcomed, loved for the first time, like at any place she had

412
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:30.279
been before. So they were,
yeah, having like the night of their

413
00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:36.839
life before everything went down. When
they heard gunshots, they were confused because,

414
00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:40.440
like it's dark, there's very loud
of music. At first they thought

415
00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:44.359
it was fireworks, but then they
saw other people running, so they ran

416
00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:48.559
outside. And when her and her
friends got outside, they you know,

417
00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:51.880
did a headcount to make sure everyone
was there. But one friend was missing.

418
00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:53.960
Oh my god, I can't imagine
the fear that they must know.

419
00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:57.319
And I don't know, maybe the
guild. They went back inside, oh

420
00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:02.480
my god, to find their friend. My god, And when I read

421
00:31:02.559 --> 00:31:04.000
that, I cried because, like
not to get a little head, but

422
00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:07.759
Patience was the only one who survives
out of her friends. I'm gonna cry

423
00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:14.680
right now. I know. It's
horrible. I'm so the group, you

424
00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:17.359
know. They ran back and started
to find their friend. But at this

425
00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:19.720
point they saw the gunmen like you
know, in their direction, and they

426
00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:23.359
ran into the bathroom to hide because
they saw other people running into how they

427
00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:26.920
became part of the host. They
became part of the horses. My god.

428
00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:30.519
When they were running into the bathroom, another guy was following them behind

429
00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:36.039
them. He pushed them inside closed
the door to try and stop the guy

430
00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:41.039
from going into the bathroom. Oh
my god, but the gunman just killed

431
00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:44.200
him and went inside the bathroom.
But like it was like, there's so

432
00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:48.640
many people that die trying to save
other people. I mean, so much

433
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:52.480
bravery here. I Mean it's it's
so hard to hear, but I feel

434
00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:56.640
like that's what needs to be highlighted, like the people who were there.

435
00:31:56.079 --> 00:32:00.680
Yeah, m because that's like really
unheard of, Like you rarely see in

436
00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:06.680
American culture where it's like it's a
very MEMI me culture, but you have

437
00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:10.920
these minority cultures and they're really like
ten toes down for each other. Yeah,

438
00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:15.480
And that's the thing when there's like
crisis situations like this, I don't

439
00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:20.240
think it matters where you are what's
happening. There's always going to be people

440
00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:24.400
like the guy who pushed them into
the bathroom and stood at the doorway always.

441
00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:28.960
The gunman, you know, entered
the bathroom anyway, and as soon

442
00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:31.039
as he entered he opened fire.
At some point he stopped, you know,

443
00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:36.759
after leaving like a trail of people. And so when he stopped,

444
00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:39.000
the phones were going off like crazy
because the people that were still alive in

445
00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:43.960
there were messaging their loved ones.
He left the bathroom for a second,

446
00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:47.000
but then immediately went back in,
and this time he pulled out his phone

447
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:52.079
and called nine one one, and
he told the operator like, you know,

448
00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:52.720
because they asked, like, what's
your name? That's one of the

449
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:55.519
first things I ask you when you
call nine one one, And he didn't

450
00:32:55.559 --> 00:33:00.480
never say it. He just said
in the name of God the Merciful in

451
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:04.880
Arabic. Then he said Praise be
to God. And then he said,

452
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:07.000
you know, and the operator repeatedly
is like, okay, what's your name,

453
00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:09.920
Like, what's your name? And
he just never said it. And

454
00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:14.920
so then when she asked like the
third time, he said that he was

455
00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:17.200
the one in Orlando and he did
the shooting, and you know, the

456
00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:22.319
operator keeps trying to get his name, and the gunman keeps talking about how

457
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:25.319
he's acting in the behalf or acting
on the behalf of the Islamic state.

458
00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:30.039
He hangs up suddenly, and then
he calls the local news and then tells

459
00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:34.400
the local news that he did this
on the behalf of Isis. But the

460
00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:37.279
thing is, he's naming all these
different groups that don't like work together.

461
00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:40.160
Ever, he's like he's not actually
a part of these groups. No,

462
00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:45.079
he's not, which is important to
like say, this was a lone person

463
00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:50.319
acting doing this. He was really
not a representative of any of anyone,

464
00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:53.200
you know. So he tells them
he did this on the behalf of ISIS

465
00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:55.920
and another point, he says,
he does this on the behalf of Hezbola,

466
00:33:57.279 --> 00:34:00.039
like all these Okaeda, like all
these different groups. He also posted

467
00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:05.440
on Facebook. He tells the news
he's the fourth shooter, and then there's

468
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:08.599
bombs inside. He also texted his
wife around four in the morning and she's

469
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:12.599
like, where are you. She
had no idea this was happening. And

470
00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:15.360
then he asks have you seen the
news? And she said no. And

471
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:17.079
the last thing he replied to her
is I love you. And that was

472
00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:20.920
it. So, you know,
like at this point, it's been hours

473
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:23.039
since two am, and people are
still stuck in the bathroom with him.

474
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:29.719
They're having to hear him say these
things, Oh my god. Hiding underneath

475
00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:34.519
like other bodies, you know,
there's a phone that keeps going off and

476
00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:37.519
said the bathroom, and the gunman
is getting angrier and angrier about the phone,

477
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:42.199
and honest, like he keeps yelling
for the phone to stop or whoever

478
00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:45.760
has the phone like to shut it
off, but like the phone probably belonged

479
00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:49.480
to someone who was not alive anymore. Yeah, and couldn't shut it off.

480
00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:52.519
And so patients who was in one
of the stalls through her phone and

481
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:57.079
said it was hers, which wasn't. But this calmed him down. This

482
00:34:57.199 --> 00:35:00.440
probably saved everyone else that was in
there. Wow. And just ah,

483
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:02.960
my god, I can't get over
like the bravery because she didn't know how

484
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:06.920
he was going to react, Like
what if that set him off and cause

485
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:09.039
him to shoot her, you know, yeah, so brave. Yeah,

486
00:35:09.079 --> 00:35:13.840
and she's inside on the stall,
so she just throws it over the staller

487
00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:16.920
under I'm not sure, but either
one. So at some point police are

488
00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:21.559
able to pull off an AC that
was attached to a window in one of

489
00:35:21.559 --> 00:35:24.119
the dressing rooms. Some people are
able to escape through there. This was

490
00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:29.480
around four twenty am. Oh my
god. Then you know everyone can hear

491
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:32.000
police, you know, through like
outside, yelling for people to move away

492
00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:36.639
from the walls, but some people
couldn't because it would reveal that they're alive,

493
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:39.960
putting them at risk for being killed. So they you know, set

494
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:44.800
off these explosions to try and get
inside, but the explosion is too small.

495
00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:47.000
They don't fit. And also the
explosion caused a pipe to burst in

496
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:52.320
the bathroom, which is now quickly
filling with water. Oh my god,

497
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:57.079
I hope not sewer water like probably, but also like it's filling up quick

498
00:35:57.320 --> 00:36:00.360
also putting the people that are like
on the floor, they're like underround the

499
00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:05.280
bodies. Yeah, and they don't
want to move because they've been faking that

500
00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:09.199
they're dead, right, Yeah,
Patients was underneath a dead person when this

501
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:15.320
happened. And then so now she's
worried about drowning. So now the gunman

502
00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:21.519
probably trying to like get away from
police or like thinking police aren't going to

503
00:36:21.559 --> 00:36:24.480
shoot me if I'm like near more
people. He kicks selling one of the

504
00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:29.079
bathroom stalls and goes inside, and
this is where Patients is, oh,

505
00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:32.679
oh my god. And then he
starts firing at people one by one inside

506
00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:38.280
the stall, including the person that
Patients was hiding under, but she was

507
00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:45.639
okay. The police finally were able
to breach the building and they fired at

508
00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:49.760
the gunman. There was about one
hundred and fifty gunshots fired and eight hit

509
00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:52.480
him, killing him. And this
was around five to fifty am. From

510
00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:58.480
what I can tell, these gunshots
only killed him, no other people,

511
00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:00.880
because that's something I mean, that's
a lot. Yeah, that's all around.

512
00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:05.440
Yeah, So this was around five
fifty am. Once he was hit,

513
00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:08.320
the SWAT team rushed into the bathroom
and they asked people, the people

514
00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:12.000
in there if there was anyone else, because they thought that there was more

515
00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:15.159
gunmen and more people attacking, because
he said he was the fourth one when

516
00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:17.400
he was talking to the news,
but you know, they all yelled out

517
00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:21.679
like desperately, like no, he
was the only one. And so then

518
00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:27.280
SWAT started carrying out the survivors and
the gunman. He was identified on the

519
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:30.320
news like nationally around ten to fifteen
am of that day, and in the

520
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:35.440
end, thirty nine people died at
the club, and then another ten either

521
00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:38.360
in the hospital or on the way
to the hospital. And up to this

522
00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:45.039
day, this was the deadliest mass
shooting attack in the United States. It's

523
00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:47.079
just so sad, and it's also
sad that you have to say to this

524
00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:51.760
day because or to that day,
like up to that day, because after

525
00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:55.920
this, the Las Vegas Strip shooting, which was even more people. So

526
00:37:57.159 --> 00:38:02.320
it's just this it's depressing, Yeah, and just to name the victims here.

527
00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:08.360
So I did find and thanks because
I listened to like three or four

528
00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:12.760
episodes to like just see what else
was out there that I missed on,

529
00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:17.159
like the different news articles and sources
that I had, and the Generation Why

530
00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:22.559
podcasts had an episode where they had
information on the victims, just like a

531
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:24.880
little bit. It's something that families
and friends said. So that's where I

532
00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:30.000
got this information from, because I
couldn't find any that any of that online.

533
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:32.400
Oh, I'm going to check that
episode out. I used to listen

534
00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:36.679
to them, and then I stopped
for whatever reason. Oh sometimes yeah,

535
00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:39.920
they're very detailed. Well not sometimes
they're very detailed, but sometimes their voices

536
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:44.000
made me tired. That's why I
stopped listening. They do have like very

537
00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:49.320
soothene voices. Yeah too soothinge.
I'm like yeah, yeah, but their

538
00:38:49.400 --> 00:38:53.159
episode on this this is where I
got the following information about the victims.

539
00:38:54.039 --> 00:39:00.519
So Stanley al the third he was
twenty three, so young, yeah,

540
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:05.119
so young. Friends and family said
about him he made people feel welcome and

541
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:08.280
loved. A friend of his said
that he made them feel like it was

542
00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:12.760
okay to be who they were because
they had just come out and they were

543
00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:17.519
like new to everything and with him
they could be themselves. Amanda Alveare was

544
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:22.039
twenty five. She was there with
her friend Mercedes, who also passed away.

545
00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:25.280
She was the best Thia two your
little neibblings, and had just gone

546
00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:30.800
shopping with them that weekend. She
wanted to be a nurse. Oscard Arasena

547
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:36.679
Montero was twenty six. He was
there with his partner Simon. They had

548
00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:40.159
just returned from a trip together and
they had just bought a home together.

549
00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:46.559
Rodolfo Ayala was thirty three. He
was an employee at a blood donation center

550
00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:50.679
and he just wanted to help people
and make a difference, and he felt

551
00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:54.360
like every day he made a difference
helping people get blood. Alexandro Barrios Martinez

552
00:39:54.440 --> 00:40:00.679
was twenty one. He was a
Cuban immigrant and his family misses him.

553
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:05.840
Martin Benitez Torres was thirty three.
He was a student, a university student

554
00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:10.519
on vacation visiting family when this happened. Antonio Brown was thirty. He was

555
00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:15.039
an army captain in the reserves,
and everyone about him said he was always

556
00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:21.239
smiling, always helping people. Darryl
Bert the Second was twenty nine and his

557
00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:24.480
friends and family said he always had
a smile on his face. Jonathan Camui

558
00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:30.480
Vega was twenty four. He worked
for Telemundo and he was a member of

559
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:37.119
the National Association of Hispanic Journalists.
Angel Candelario Padro was twenty eight. He

560
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:42.159
was a zumba instructor and from Puerto
Rico, and his classes were probably like

561
00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:47.360
really good. I'm sure yeah,
some zumba instructors like Devo Stancors. I

562
00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:51.400
feel so dumb trying to like follow
it. I'm like, damn, will

563
00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:57.840
sho got downs like that. Simon
Carrio Fernandez was thirty one. I couldn't

564
00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:01.519
find any more information on him.
Chews Martinez was twenty five. He was

565
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:07.719
the youngest of six children, and
his siblings described him as the best brother

566
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:12.000
ever. Louis Conde was thirty nine. He was there with his partner and

567
00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:17.079
they died together, and they were
both described as extraordinary humans. Corey Cornell

568
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:21.639
was twenty one. He wanted to
be a firefighter, that was his dream,

569
00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:24.719
and he was there with his girlfriend, who survived the attack. Tevin

570
00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:30.880
Crosby was twenty five and his friends
said about him that he had the best

571
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:36.400
laugh and he spread joy wherever he
went Frankie. The Jesus Velasquez was fifty

572
00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:40.519
and he was a professional dancer and
also worked out forever twenty one. Deanka

573
00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:45.559
Drayton who went by Didi, was
thirty two and she was a bartender up

574
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:51.960
Pols and she was just turning her
life around after like a bunch of hardships.

575
00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:55.480
She had just started hanging out with
friends and family more often. She

576
00:41:55.519 --> 00:42:01.280
started going to church. People could
see like she was just feeling better and

577
00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:07.719
like turning her life around. Merceles
Flores was twenty six from Queens, New

578
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:13.440
York, on vacation in Florida.
She was studying literature at the community college.

579
00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:17.199
Peter Gonzalez Cruz was twenty two and
he went by Ami. That was

580
00:42:17.239 --> 00:42:22.920
his nickname, and he friends and
family said that he made a difference everywhere

581
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:28.599
he went. Juan Guerrero was twenty
two and he was attending university. He

582
00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:30.119
had just come out and he was
so scared to do it, but his

583
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:34.880
family was so accepting of him.
Paul t. Henry was forty one.

584
00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:40.199
He is survived by his two kids
and he loved to dance. Frank Ernandez,

585
00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:45.920
who went by Frankie, was there
with his partner and they both passed

586
00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:51.599
away. Miguel Honorato was thirty and
he left behind three kids. He was

587
00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:53.880
at the club with his brother and
friend and he was the only one that

588
00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:59.239
didn't make it that night. Javier
Jorge Rees was forty. He went by

589
00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:02.440
Javi. He was in Puerto Rico
and he was described as always positive and

590
00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:09.480
outgoing and just the loveliest friend to
have. Jason Josephatt was nineteen and he

591
00:43:09.639 --> 00:43:14.599
was just figuring out his life.
I'm like so young. Yeah, he

592
00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:16.960
had just decided he wanted to get
a degree in computer science, and he

593
00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:20.679
was, you know, finding all
sorts of new hobbies to get into,

594
00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:27.079
like photography. Eddie Justice was thirty
and his mom Mina describes him as loving

595
00:43:27.159 --> 00:43:31.280
all people. He loved to make
people laugh. She moved that they're losing

596
00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:37.119
her son, but she returns every
anniversary of the shooting to connect with other

597
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:43.159
families and share in their grief.
Anthony Laourano de Isla was twenty five and

598
00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:47.000
he was said to be an amazing
drag performer. He was the life of

599
00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:52.119
the party and he was attending college
at the time. I couldn't find much

600
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:54.800
about Christopher Leonin. I don't know
how to say his last same, sorry,

601
00:43:55.079 --> 00:43:59.800
but he was thirty two. Brenda
Marquez McCool was forty nine, and

602
00:43:59.880 --> 00:44:05.679
she was the mother of eleven wow
and a grandmother of six. And she

603
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:09.639
was there with her twenty one year
old son who survived. And she was

604
00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:15.679
a cancer survivor as well, and
a fierce LGBT ali after like you know,

605
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:19.199
a few of her children had come
out. She was always supporting and

606
00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:21.960
I mean just the fact she was
there with her son, coming with her

607
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:25.960
son, that's just I don't know. Jean Mendez Prees was thirty five,

608
00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:31.719
born in Puerto Rico. Akira Money
Murray was eighteen. She was one of

609
00:44:31.840 --> 00:44:37.400
patients's friends. She was you know, on vacation as well. She loved

610
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:40.760
basketball and she was described as a
natural leader. Kimberly Morris was thirty seven.

611
00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:45.840
She was a bouncer at polls.
She loved basketball and had just moved

612
00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:50.679
from Hawaii to Florida to try and
you know, make money to help her

613
00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:54.480
family back home. Jean Nievez Rodriguez
was twenty seven. He was from Puerto

614
00:44:54.599 --> 00:45:00.239
Rico, a general manager at a
Czeck cashing service, and friends described him

615
00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:05.199
as a giant Teddy bear. Louis
Ocasio Kappel was twenty. He was an

616
00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:09.159
amazing dancer and always willing to help
anyone in need. Heraldo or Tisi Menez

617
00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:14.039
was twenty five. He was in
law school. He was a proud Dominican

618
00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:20.119
and an amazing dancer. Eric Ivan
Ortiz Riveta was thirty six. He was

619
00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:22.760
the one in his family all of
his family went to for advice and he

620
00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:29.440
happily obliged. He was also super
creative and was about to become an interior

621
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:36.639
designer. Juel Draion Paniagua was thirty
two and he was described as always humble,

622
00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:40.719
cheerful, and also loved to dance. Enrique Rios Junior was twenty five.

623
00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:45.159
He was a vacation from Brooklyn,
where he attended university. He was

624
00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:50.840
described as super funny and a great
person. And then Juan Rivera Alaskiez was

625
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:54.639
thirty seven. I can find information
on him, unfortunately. Jill Marii Rodriguez

626
00:45:54.639 --> 00:45:59.639
Solivan was twenty four. She survived
by her two sons and her husband.

627
00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:02.800
She was said to light out the
room and had the best smile and a

628
00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:07.079
laugh that was like so infectious when
you heard her laughing, you also had

629
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:10.039
to laugh with her, which those
are like the best lass best laughs.

630
00:46:10.119 --> 00:46:14.719
Yeah. Christopher San Felice was twenty
four. He was from Tampa, but

631
00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:20.000
the family had immigrated from Cuba.
His older brother wrote that he was the

632
00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:22.280
most important person in his family,
the light of the family, and the

633
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:29.039
strongest person he ever knew. Javier
Emmanuel Serrano Rosado was thirty five. He

634
00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:35.440
was a professional dancer and he performed
for Disney Live. And he inspired others

635
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:38.519
to come out of their shell and
he was always happy. He survived by

636
00:46:38.559 --> 00:46:44.679
a young son. Hilberto Ramon Silva
Menendez was twenty five. He worked at

637
00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:49.360
a grocery store and was working on
a degree in healthcare management. He had

638
00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:53.280
also moved from Puerto Rico. Edward
Sotomayo Junior was thirty four. He was

639
00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:59.800
a branch manager for Alan Chuck Travel
and he was described as kind, loving

640
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:04.920
and energetic. Shane Tomlinson was thirty
three. He was a lead singer in

641
00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:08.039
a cover band he had been seeing
at another club before heading two poles that

642
00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:14.159
night. Leroy Valentine Fernandez was twenty
five and he was a dancer, a

643
00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:19.960
fashionista. He A friend of his
said that he loved to sing adele until

644
00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:22.400
he got tired of it, and
that life is quieter without him now.

645
00:47:23.119 --> 00:47:30.119
Louise Vielma was twenty two and friends
describe him as the best person that they

646
00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:34.360
had like the pleasure of knowing Louis
Danielle. Wilson Leon was thirty seven.

647
00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:38.719
He grew up in Puerto Rico.
He was at Poles with his partner Jean

648
00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:45.639
Mendesperees. They were together for ten
years. And then Gerald Wright he was

649
00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:49.400
thirty one. He went by Jerry. He was described as quiet and hard

650
00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:52.840
working, but always had a smile
on his face, and he worked at

651
00:47:52.920 --> 00:48:00.320
Disney. And yeah, those are
all the victims that passed away. Well,

652
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:04.400
just people out for the night,
just living their lives. And then

653
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:07.079
I didn't write too much about him
because I wanted to focus on what happened

654
00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:12.880
and the victims. But the gunman
was identified to be twenty nine year old

655
00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:16.960
Omar Mattin, a US citizen born
in Queens. Also like important to say

656
00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:20.679
because a lot of people came out
and were like, this is what immigrants

657
00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:23.559
shouldn't be in the country, you
know, which is crazy because a lot

658
00:48:23.559 --> 00:48:28.039
of the immigrants were the ones that
died. Yeah, yeah, exactly that

659
00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:32.920
we're targeted. Yes, and so
yeah, a US born citizen did this.

660
00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:37.119
He was born in Queens, New
York to Afghan parents. You know,

661
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:42.159
although he was saying all this like
nonsense about al Qaeda, isis his

662
00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:47.000
Boblah like his the fact that he
was Muslim and of Afghan descent that had

663
00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:52.480
something to do with him doing this. It's the terrible person that he was.

664
00:48:53.239 --> 00:49:00.199
So the FBI had him on like
a watch list as of twenty thirteen.

665
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:02.199
Really, I don't remember if I
heard of that or not. Yeah,

666
00:49:02.199 --> 00:49:06.440
So he worked at a security firm
and he told co workers that he

667
00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:10.000
had ties to al Qaeda and his
bola minded these organizations are not working together.

668
00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:15.679
A lot of the organizations also have
beef with each other. Yes,

669
00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:20.719
also important to note. So it
was a tenth month investigation that ended up

670
00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:23.559
with no charges. He was question
in twenty fourteen again though, after an

671
00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:30.199
associate of his became a suicide bomber
in Syria. So he I guess maybe

672
00:49:30.440 --> 00:49:35.280
knew one person. So he also
later told someone else that he had been

673
00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:42.960
watching jihadi's videos by anwar all a
Lackey, and that person told the authorities.

674
00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:46.239
So this was another investigation. But
again, nothing came of this investigation.

675
00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:52.280
Investigation, it was closed, and
he had a Florida firearms license since

676
00:49:52.280 --> 00:49:54.360
twenty seven Even at the time of
the shooting, this license was active.

677
00:49:54.519 --> 00:49:58.519
I would think that if you're on
a watch list or something like, you

678
00:49:58.519 --> 00:50:01.039
shouldn't have that. Yeah, you
would think. And since he had been

679
00:50:01.079 --> 00:50:07.519
investigated twice already, how many KKKM
members are in the watch list and you

680
00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:09.960
know they're going to do that?
Yeah, like they no, I know,

681
00:50:10.039 --> 00:50:13.840
but like you know, like they're
not going to do that because Ye're

682
00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:15.639
like, yeah, we're not going
to put white people. I mean,

683
00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:19.280
even if white people are on the
watch list, we're not going to take

684
00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:24.639
away their gun, right, Yeah, yeah, said the same thing when

685
00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:31.880
so he was His name had also
appeared on this list, the FBI's Terrors

686
00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:37.880
Screening database. This is the terrorist
watch list. His name was removed after

687
00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:43.280
those both of those investigations, So
he would have legally been allowed to have

688
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:49.719
firearms. So he bought the guns
that he used for this shooting on June

689
00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:52.519
fourth, And so you know,
in the days after the attack happened,

690
00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:55.760
there was people, I guess,
all sorts of rumors coming out on people

691
00:50:55.800 --> 00:51:00.440
that said that he had been on
gay dating websites and apps. Someone did

692
00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:06.360
an interview with Univision who went by
an anonymous name, who said that he

693
00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:10.159
saw the guy I heard regard his
name buck him. He saw the guy

694
00:51:10.440 --> 00:51:15.440
at Pulse a few times before the
shooting. I remember hearing things like that.

695
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:17.480
But nothing was true, right,
None could be proven. None of

696
00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:22.159
it could be proven. The FBI, you know, did a forensic examination

697
00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:25.440
of the guy's phone for computer online
account records, and they couldn't find any

698
00:51:25.480 --> 00:51:30.119
of this, just like they couldn't
find any evidence of him being part of

699
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:34.480
isis like he kept claiming to any
of it. And so I mean,

700
00:51:34.599 --> 00:51:37.800
just more on on the guy.
Like he was. He had, you

701
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:40.400
know, like most of these people, a troubling childhood, like he was

702
00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:45.559
described during assignment school that he like
he couldn't sit still, he was always

703
00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:50.119
in touching people, not leaving people
alone, and he had from a very

704
00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:54.559
young age these very sexist believes.
He was very rude to his uh,

705
00:51:55.159 --> 00:52:00.519
the girls in the class and the
women teachers. And then when teachers brought

706
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:04.920
it up to his parents, the
father had the same views, say,

707
00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:07.880
probably is where he got it from. Yeah, and he was also disrespectful

708
00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:12.239
to the teachers. So you know, he was always acting out and like

709
00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:15.159
you know, maybe he yeah,
he had some issues that could have been

710
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:21.079
addressed and they weren't, and so
his behavior escalated because I think like at

711
00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:24.079
age fourteen, he was suspended from
or expelled from school for his behavior.

712
00:52:24.280 --> 00:52:30.239
So he was a violent person,
a violent like sexist person. And you

713
00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:37.280
know, like the his ethnicity,
his race, him maybe possibly being like

714
00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:40.039
a closeted gay, like none of
that is the cause, like or the

715
00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:43.440
reason you know, for what he
did. Like he was just like a

716
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:46.920
terrible person who went out and did
this. There was even a trial against

717
00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:53.559
his wife after this the man does
something and the wife gets in trouble,

718
00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:58.119
yeah, because they were looking for
someone to blame, honestly, So an

719
00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:04.639
actual trial, like crim criminal trial
against her. Were the charges I don't

720
00:53:04.679 --> 00:53:08.599
remember the actual name of the charge
that was, like you know that he

721
00:53:08.760 --> 00:53:13.599
was like that she could have been
abused, and then like they're already more

722
00:53:13.719 --> 00:53:19.199
basically mass shooters have extremely high rates
of domestic violence exactly. Yeah, and

723
00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:22.079
look at the shit he was doing
in school where he was treating the girls

724
00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:27.800
and the teachers. So the trial
against his wife was like basically blaming her

725
00:53:27.880 --> 00:53:30.039
that she knew what was going to
happen, but she had a trial concluded.

726
00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:35.159
No, yeah, it concluded she
was not guilty of course, of

727
00:53:35.239 --> 00:53:38.079
course. Yeah, and she really
didn't know. So yeah, and that's

728
00:53:38.119 --> 00:53:42.760
really all I wrote about him.
And one more thing, you know,

729
00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:46.119
the FBI, after the investigation,
you know, they determined that he was

730
00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:52.360
like a lone wolf, like someone
acting alone, not you know, targeting.

731
00:53:52.519 --> 00:53:55.599
It was also kind of like concluded
that he wasn't even really targeting the

732
00:53:55.599 --> 00:54:00.320
club itself. He was just looking
for the busiest nightclub. Wow. Yeah,

733
00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:05.920
so he because there was Google searches
from his phone, and he searched

734
00:54:05.960 --> 00:54:08.760
two or three other places in the
area, and the last search he did

735
00:54:08.920 --> 00:54:14.519
was Post nightclub. So there's speculation
he didn't even know it was a gay

736
00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:16.880
club. But there's also speculation that
he did know it was a gay club

737
00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:23.679
and that he had like vendetta against
gays. So like, none of it,

738
00:54:23.880 --> 00:54:28.800
nothing was proven, and at the
end of the day, like you

739
00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:31.719
know, no one knows the motive, so nothing like adds up in this,

740
00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:37.480
I mean, none of his like
I guess you can't find evidence for

741
00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:38.800
like, as you said, for
his mode. That's weird. I think

742
00:54:38.840 --> 00:54:42.880
for me. The only thing that
adds up, which is extremely common in

743
00:54:42.880 --> 00:54:49.800
mass shooters, went often ignored by
media and also by the criminal courts,

744
00:54:50.159 --> 00:54:55.559
is that a lot of these men
are sexists and they hate women. And

745
00:54:55.599 --> 00:55:00.519
that is a lot of times a
like a roote issue for them. And

746
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:05.440
you know, the the violence that
they the extreme like math violence they want

747
00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:09.400
to perpetrate women. Yeah, and
a lot of fine, Yeah, and

748
00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:13.679
that's what I was going to say. And I think we know that a

749
00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:19.639
lot of homophobia is tied to not
to diminish homophobia or minimize homophobia as it's

750
00:55:19.760 --> 00:55:22.840
as not its own thing, but
a lot of times it's tied to the

751
00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:28.440
hatred of women. Also. Yeah, And that's like all I wrote about

752
00:55:28.519 --> 00:55:30.000
him, because like I did not
want the attention on him. Some other

753
00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:34.440
podcasts to go into more detail about
him and like his life and whatever.

754
00:55:34.599 --> 00:55:38.519
But you know, I like not
giving attention and sometimes not even name for

755
00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:45.320
these people because that's what they want
to on top of wanting to enact extreme

756
00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:51.719
violence on women because they hate women. They want the attention and the variety

757
00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:54.400
avariety, you know, Otherwise,
I mean, I don't know about him,

758
00:55:54.400 --> 00:55:58.760
but like some of them, right
manifesto, they make videos like oh

759
00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:04.239
yeah so yeah, oh, and
like when he would go applying to jobs,

760
00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:07.000
he would put in basically what would
be a manifesto or seen as a

761
00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:14.400
manifesto, but basically just like horrible
sexist views. So yeah, the nightclub

762
00:56:14.719 --> 00:56:17.639
sadly they're not reopened, though there
are like like I think it was like

763
00:56:17.639 --> 00:56:22.599
a week after the shooting happened,
there was a like a Latin another Latin

764
00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:24.239
night, That's what it was.
Another Latin night, but like outside it

765
00:56:24.280 --> 00:56:27.480
was like in the street because it
was a warm it was a summer,

766
00:56:28.280 --> 00:56:31.280
so it was kind of done like
in memory of everyone that had passed away.

767
00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:38.000
And the there's still like an annual
anniversary ceremony basically, and I don't

768
00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:40.760
know if it's up, yeah,
but they're working on making it like a

769
00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:46.559
memorial site. So the club did
close and that's being turned into a memorial

770
00:56:46.679 --> 00:56:52.119
site for the victims. But one
thing that happened, because you know,

771
00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:57.800
the the victims were majority Latino Latine, the some people were calling out like

772
00:56:57.920 --> 00:57:01.800
why aren't there bilingual, Why isn't
there lingual help for the families? Why

773
00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:07.760
isn't there like there needs to be
more support in Spanish and that is Yeah,

774
00:57:07.840 --> 00:57:12.920
that is important because you know,
like we've been saying, the majority

775
00:57:12.920 --> 00:57:17.440
of these victims and survivors, a
lot of them were Latino Latina. So

776
00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:21.519
so yeah, that was a that
was a tough episode. Yeah, we've

777
00:57:21.880 --> 00:57:30.719
reached the end of my notes and
then before we go, any spooky recommendations,

778
00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:36.599
No, I'm J. I don't
have a spooky recommendation, but uh

779
00:57:37.079 --> 00:57:40.719
we I am covering Awascalientes. I
think for next episode maybe, oh okay,

780
00:57:40.719 --> 00:57:46.320
and any listener stories from there if
anybody would be nice, yes,

781
00:57:46.519 --> 00:57:51.559
send us your Aguas Calientes stories if
you have them. I guess we's renowns.

782
00:57:51.559 --> 00:57:53.719
But MJ wants to do we like
stories from every state, from every

783
00:57:53.760 --> 00:57:58.199
state, and then go from one
country to the next, because is it

784
00:57:58.280 --> 00:58:00.159
states and then provinces. I don't
know, as it depending on the country

785
00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:06.519
it has either states or provinces.
I don't know the difference between the two.

786
00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:13.400
Whatever me neither. And then you
add in like department, Oh yeah,

787
00:58:14.239 --> 00:58:17.119
it's over, it's over for me. Yeah yeah, No, I

788
00:58:17.159 --> 00:58:22.039
also don't have any speaky recommendations.
God, what have you? I don't

789
00:58:22.039 --> 00:58:25.119
think I've even been listening to anything
lately. I've just been listening to Anita,

790
00:58:25.360 --> 00:58:29.559
like her album dropped and I have
not been able to stop listening to

791
00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:38.840
it. So, oh, I
don't know. You don't know singer.

792
00:58:40.360 --> 00:58:46.199
You have to knowing she made a
song with is wow. I want to

793
00:58:46.199 --> 00:58:49.519
go to one of her concerts.
But look, I don't know a lot

794
00:58:49.519 --> 00:58:52.320
of music. Okay, I'm like
stuck in my old millennial ways and I

795
00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:55.960
just listened to the same songs over
and over. She's Brazilian makes okay,

796
00:58:55.960 --> 00:58:59.719
No, she looks familiar, but
I honestly don't think I've listened to any

797
00:58:59.719 --> 00:59:02.320
of us songs. Should I I
should? I will shut, I will

798
00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:08.960
shud. They're so good myself.
But no, she she had a lot

799
00:59:09.000 --> 00:59:13.840
of people come and attacked her,
to attack her because she did I can't

800
00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:16.199
remember. Like she's from a part
of a different religion. I remember seeing

801
00:59:16.239 --> 00:59:21.760
that, and then people were coming
at her because she's practicing practicing. Now,

802
00:59:21.920 --> 00:59:23.599
oh, I do know who she
is. Because of that, I

803
00:59:24.599 --> 00:59:29.599
send that to the group. I
think don did. Okay, I was

804
00:59:29.639 --> 00:59:31.920
like, somebody sent it to us. Okay, but that's her, and

805
00:59:32.000 --> 00:59:36.320
I've been listening to her music since
her album came out so good, Well,

806
00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:37.639
you know what, I'm gonna check
that out, okay, And then

807
00:59:38.440 --> 00:59:43.119
I also don't have any spooky recommendations. I've been doing nothing but catching up

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on all the work that I am
very behind on. I'm finally like catching

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up. And then in my little
free time, I've been watching De Grassy

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still and I'm not going to go
and talk about the Grassy Moore. There's

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a lot of seasons, so so
I still have to watch it. I

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almost started watching it, but I
had to make it a on to Be

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to actually for to be able to
start off orre I left off, and

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I haven't done that yet. So
you have my HBO information. It's all

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on HBO. I thought you said
it was on two B. No,

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the last part is on to Be. It's also all of it is on

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to B. But you can watch
it ad free because you have my HBO

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login. If you have AT and
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I don't know if oh well I
don't, so I mean that sucks for

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me if anyone else does take advantage
of that. Okay, we have reached

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the end of the episode. Don't
forget to if you're in the Denver area.

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Check out the True Crime and Paranormal
Podcast Festival on July twelve to July

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fourteenth. It's coming up, so
that's very exciting. Carmen and I will

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be there. We're gonna have stickers. I'm gonna have my phone, We're

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gonna record. If anyone wants to
record, Like there's scary stories on TikTok

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that that would be fun. What
else, if you just want to record

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a scary story with us for the
podcast without you know, showing your face,

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that's fine too. I'm gonna have
some equipment too. Maybe Karmng will

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go to a hunted place and do
another fuck Yeah. Yeah. I told

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Aiden from Susto that we needed to
go to one hundred place together when we're

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there, and he was like,
oh yeah, so we'll remind him again

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and maybe we can get Laney to
come too. It's gonna be great.

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So yeah, I'm looking forward to
it. It's gonna be fun, so

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make sure you go if you're in
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pooky fifteen to get fifteen percent off
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works, and yeah, stay a
spooky close. The sliding door all the

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way. Thank you. I was
like, what did we talk about?

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And yeah, we'll catch a real
next time. Bye bye bye A Spooky

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Tales is hosted by Christina and MJ, produced and edited by Christina. Everything

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is written and researched by Christina MJ
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Don. Thank you so much for
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here, consider living us a five
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videos posted on Instagram and that is
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the show notes. If you want
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might I add, then consider joining
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com slash spooky tails. There are
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and we do at least one a
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how we are feeling. If you
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can't or don't want to, that's
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getting some merch. We have an
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adore it. It's so comfy,
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Old English letters. There's also a
baseball hat in the same way as spooky

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and Old English letters, and that's
what I wear in the summers. They're

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both awesome hats. And there's other
things in there, like the no Mama's

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shirts, which is a very popular
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out my other podcast, Istodia's Unknown, hosted with the unofficial official guest co

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host of A Spooky Tales, Carmen, And if you like no velast,

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checkout Novelaskosito, which Carmen and I
also host together. And yeah, we

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love every single listen every single a
spooky Thank you so much, Stay as spooky