Haunted House in Chile and Flordelis: the Scandalous Supermom of Brazil

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Hi, Christina here before the episode
starts, I do want to let everyone

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know we had some serious technical issues. We thought MJ was recording, She

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thought she was recording, but somehow
both recordings failed. Her own local recording

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that's supposed to be the backup,
and then the thing that we used to

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record remotely, neither one recorded her
side of the conversation except for like the

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first three minutes, so unfortunately that
is all you'll hear from MJ. She

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did re record her part of the
story and then send it to me.

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It's not the same, but that
way we'll at least have that, and

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then her reactions and conversation is.
It's going to be missing from the episode,

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so hopefully it doesn't sound too weird. All right, on to the

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episode. Hi everyone, This is
Christina, and this is MJ and Carmen,

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and this is another episode of a
Spooky Tales podcast for all things spooky

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and true crime. That's right,
we're doing both so I can make the

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episodes longer. Today, I oh, you have a haunted house place right,

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yes? And I have a true
crime case out of Brazil. Some

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people might know it. I didn't
know it. Carmen apparently knows it,

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so that's annoying. We'll see if
I know it. I doubt it,

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though I told that's what I told
Carmen. I was like, I don't

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think I'm j knows it. I'm
also I'm sorry if I sound weird.

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My mouth is very dry, and
I feel like I sound like an old

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lady talking like you sound normal to
me. Okay, well, thank you,

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hopefully I keep sounding normal. Oh, before we start the episode,

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before we get to the listener story, I did want to announce that I

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finally figured out how to turn on
free trials on Patreon, so I did

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that today. I turned on the
free trial button. So you get a

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seven day trial if you want to
try it out, and either you know,

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join, I guess join one of
the trial ends. I was like,

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what am I trying to say?
Yeah, so if you either you

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can either join when the trial ends, or you can just not whatever.

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Sometimes I like to start a free
trial, listen to whatever I wanted to

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listen to, and then not do
it, you know, which I'm fine

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with. It's fine because Carmen and
I just posted it's like a short ten

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minute log of when we went to
a hunted theater to go watch the first

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omen. It was a lot of
fun. It was Yeah, although I

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hate the mics we use, I
have to buy new ones, better ones.

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But yeah, it was fun.
So that's up on Patreon available.

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Now what else is there? When
you and I with our mom we went

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to go to a hunted tour at
a pizza place. That video is up

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there with a lot of footage and
pictures. Yeah, pictures and videos.

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I guess it's an encompass into footage. Sorry, I think my meds are

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wearing out anyway. Yeah, all
those things are up if you want to

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do the trial. I finally ordered
keychains, so members, if you join,

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you get an exclusive keychain that no
one else has, hence exclusive and

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it's very cute. Okay, I'm
done with my terrible announcements. This is

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why I need a script. Okay, okay, So listeners story that's what

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we're doing first, and Karen has
that. Well, do you want to

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tell people how to send listeners story
first? Usually you do that, Yes,

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thank you, Carmen, thank you
welcome. Yes, if you want

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to send a story to us,
you can email a spookyozat gmail dot com.

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You can dm us on any of
our socials. You can submit it

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on Discord. There's a channel so
that that's called submit a Scary Story.

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You can use the contact us form
on our website. There's a lot of

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options. Best one is email,
though, but I mean, whatever you

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want. You can call these Spooky
Hotline. That number is in the show

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notes because I don't know it.
And yeah, those are all the options,

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all right, Carmen, do you
want to read it? Yes,

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let's get into it. So this
is from a listener name unknown. It

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doesn't say on here, so okay, So this person says, hi,

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lady for starters. I just want
to say that I love the podcast.

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I tune in every week. By
the way, I love the pointless rants

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you guys go off on. Thank
you. We all appreciate that. Anyways,

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I have a story that didn't happen
to me, but happened to my

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aunt let's call her Sophia, and
her daughter Liz and son Joe all fick

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names, by the way, And
this happened to them in the old house

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that I grew up in. I
also had experiences in that house as well

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as many of my other family members
that live there, but this event was

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something else. So Basically, my
family seems to die on important dates or

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birthdays. What Okay. For example, my grandmother died on Christmas Day,

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my grandfather died on the day his
first great granddaughter was born. One of

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my uncles passed on New Years,
another one of my uncles passed away on

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my aunt Sophia's birthday, and another
uncle passed on her other daughter. It

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ain't as a birthday, damn.
Oh my god. Okay, she was

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a kidding Yeah, Mark, your
memory like Christmas is never going to be

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the same or you know, like
someone's birthday. Yeah. Wow. Also,

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rest in peace to all your family, rip to all of them.

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So this story is about the time
when my uncle passed on my aunt Sofia's

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birthday. A little background. My
grandparents had a total of nine kids,

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and most of them ended up migrating
to Chicago from Mexico. Anyways, when

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my uncle passed, he lived with
his younger sister, Luce, who had

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found him early in the morning of
Sofia's a birthday. Oh my god,

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I feel like I said that way
too casually. I'm sorry. I didn't

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know what was coming. Of course, everyone including myself, ended up on

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my aunt Loose's apartment, just to
be a family terreminius and tell stories about

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my uncle. Now, this was
in December, so it got dark pretty

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quickly, but none of us wanted
to leave, so we all stay together

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until pretty late, I want to
say, until after midnight, which is

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when everyone started going home. Now, most of my family lived close by,

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like two apartment buildings down or like
my mother and I who lived across

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the stree in Roger Parks, except
for my aunt, who lived in Logan

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Square. These are neighborhoods in Chicago, Roger Parks. Roger's Park is closer

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to the lake while Logan Square is
more in the middle. Good to know.

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I needed to know that I did
because I was like, okay,

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I don't know where these places are, so that helps. People are like,

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is this irrelevant? I'm like no, every detail is necessary. Make

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it as long as possible. Yeah, we need to contextualize this. Give

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us all the background, all the
history, all the changes. Okay,

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going on. Well, my aunt
Sofia, got home pretty late and was

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getting ready to go to bed.
Her son Joe, had been watching TV

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in the living room where my aunt
had her bed, and she didn't mind

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sleeping with the TV on, but
couldn't sleep because you know, her brother

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had just passed. Well, a
few minutes into her laying down, my

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cousin Joe turned the TV down because
he thought he heard a noise. They

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both sat there in silence for maybe
a minute before they actually heard the sound

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that got my cousin to turn the
TV down. It was a moaning sound,

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as if someone was crying downstairs.
I forgot to mention that house was

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an apartment house which was owned by
another aunt of mine named Maria, who

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was in Mexico at the time,
and she lived on the first floor and

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my ant Sofia lived on the second
floor. Okay, so no one's on

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the first floor, but crying was
coming from the first floor, pointing that

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nobody was there. Yeah. Anyway, my an Sofia didn't believe in the

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paranormal, but she's also one brave
bitch because she got up, walked out

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onto the small porch and looked down
the spiral wooden stairs. Spiral stairs was

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just creepy, right, I feel
like you step on it and it's just

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gonna break, you know. Yeah, So she looked down the spiral wooden

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stairs and what she saw made her
run back inside. You see, when

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she turned on the light and looked, she said she saw a shadow figure

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almost like it was sitting down at
the bottom of the stairs. Oh my

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god, I'm scared. The minute
she looked down, she said, that

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thing got up and began ant to
slowly walk up, which is when she

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ran inside and locked the door,
praying with her hadess megago, Oh my

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god, I have anxiety now.
Oh my god, I'm more scared.

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Oh my god. Okay, I
read ahead. Oh my god, I

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think it's worse than this. Okay. So whatever had been outside sounded like

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it was crying, and it made
it to the door because they both saw

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how the door knocked. Door.
Oh my okay, I'm so scared right

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now, I'm sweating. Also,
it's high in here. I haven't known

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the acy on yet. Okay.
So the door rattled and pounding sounds could

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be heard as if someone was trying
to come in. Now while this is

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happening to them, my cousin Liz
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woken up when she began hearing tapping
on her bedroom door, which was down

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the hall from the living room where
her mother and brother were currently praying away

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whatever was outside the front door.
Liz had and closed her bedroom door completely

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in case her mother called out to
her. The tapping sounds slowly turned into

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moaning sounds as well, and Liz
was also scary and she began praying.

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Eventually, the sound stopped and Liz
could hear her mother coming down the hall,

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which is when she ran out of
her room and told her what had

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happened to her. And to her
surprise, her mother and brother had just

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had their own experiences with this thing. So this was happening at the same

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time. Oh my god. Wow, Like it feels like it's multiple if

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it's happening at the same time,
right, it was safe to say that

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they didn't sleep that night at all. Now, from what I can tell,

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my family believes in the paranormal because
once they were told about the event,

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they began making their own speculations about
what the shadow thing could be.

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They even went on to say that
it might have been my grandma who was

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crying because her son had passed.
Oh, oh my god, I just

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got chills. That makes it less
scary and just sad, it does.

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Yeah, I guess I would think
that she would be like not happy,

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but like her son is joining her
now in the afterlife, you know,

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but maybe sad because he had more
to do. I guess that's true too.

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Yeah, yeah, that's sad.
I don't think it was my grandma,

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but I do believe that they saw
something for sure, because the reason

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I don't think is the grandmas Like
why would she be trying to force her

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way inside and like scaring them.
That's why I don't think it was the

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grandma. Yeah, that's true.
And then they said the household was already

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haunted, which is the next sentence, Like I said, before, this

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household haunted and everyone had lived there
had their own experience. And then she

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says, sorry for the bad grammar
and punctuations. I don't usually write,

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and not also I'm very high while
writing this. Oh my god. And

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lastly she says, let me know
if you guys want to know more,

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and you know we do always always. God, that was terrifying. That

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was so scary. Oh I could
picture it all and I was like,

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oh my god. Yeah, oh
m okay, well MJ, do you

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want to tell us your story now? I better not be as scary as

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this one. I can't handle it. This story is from twenty seventeen and

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takes place in southern Chile in Porto
Monte. A family had called the police

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because of a haunted house problem that
Gattabiintos the chile or the Chilean police reported

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that there were broken windows, flying
furniture, a mattress on fire all when

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the house was empty, that Gottabinetro's
rent out of the home. The captain

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leader made a statement on the incident
and called it a diabolic presence. Locals

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called upon a priest to bless the
house to get rid of the dark presence

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that inhabited the home. One of
the children that lived inside the home went

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in with the priest and started recording. In the recording, right as the

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priest moved out of the way,
furniture fell down where he was standing.

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Thankfully, the priest had dodged the
objects. The priest is seen absolutely terrified.

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Unfortunately, the video links in the
article are broken, so I looked

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for the video again and thankfully there
are reposts and I linked them in the

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notes. Once the Karabinetos were outside, they declared that the home was haunted.

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They had also testified about the furniture
falling knives, flying, furniture that

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would randomly combust on its own,
windows would break on their own as well.

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Maria Urra, one of the owners, said that the furniture would randomly

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catch on fire at night for weeks. Both her and her husband were terrified

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of the home burning down when they
were sleeping. This quote is from Auditi

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Central dot com and it says Second
Corporal Boris Olivara Gonzalez of the sixth police

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station in Porto mont told reporters that
he and his colleagues were questioning the owners

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inside the house when a trowel fell
from the attic, like somebody had thrown

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it down. After checking the attic
and confirming that it was empty, Gonzalez

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claims that he called out the quote
unquote demon asking for it to leave.

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After receiving no response, he decided
to go back, but on his way

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to the front door, he was
struck from behind by a knife. It

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was super strange, Gonzales told reporters. Thankfully, I was wearing my bulletproof

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vest, so I suffered no serious
injuries. This was the kind of thing

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you only see in horror movies,
unexplainable in real life. At first,

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we couldn't believe it either. There
were also reports of mood changes, electromagnetic

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disturbances, as well as physical symptoms
such as limbs going numb. Priests tried

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to bless the home and remove whatever
was there, but failed to do so.

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The family relocated for the time being
that day. However, no update

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on if they ever moved back or
solved the issue with their haunted home.

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They left forever. Wow, that's
so creepy. And the fact that police

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are like, yeah, we saw
it. It reminds me of that other

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case, the Vajekas case in Spain
where police recalled because of the activity and

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they go in and they're like yeah, like, yes, it is haunted,

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Yes, domonic. We're not going
back. No, no, no,

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I'm like, I didn't sign up
for this. I'm sorry. Exorcist

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is not my job. Oh that's
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my case is from Brazil, so
first let me just give you my tiny

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little summary before we get into the
actual case. So, Flora de Lis

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dos Santos de Susa was known as
the Mother of Brazil, known as a

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Pentecostal pastor, gospel singer, congresswoman. But then in November twenty twenty two,

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she was convicted of her husband's murder
and she was sentenced found guilty.

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But let's go back to the beginning, Like, how did this religious supermom

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go from saintly to murderer? Ah, you thought you're gonna say, from

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saintly to deadly. You know what, from saintly to sinner. It would

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have been better. Oh yeah,
the alliteration would have been fantastic. Let

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me redo this the patreon. The
patreon members will get this redo, but

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not the the not the rest of
the people. Okay, So, but

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let's go back to the beginning.
How does a religious supermom go from to

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center. So dumb. No,
that was a great idea, I think

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now it was. Okay, so
let's yeah, let's start with her early

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life. Florida Lis dos Santos a
Susa and I'm just gonna call her Florida

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the lest from after this. I
just sometimes I like saying long names,

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Okay. She was born February fifth, nineteen sixty one. Her parents were

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Francisco dos Santos and Carmosina Mota dos
Santos. She grew up in a pretty

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dangerous area of Brazil. It was
a favela. And what if you want

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to explain what favelas are from what
I know, it's like impoverished areas,

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almost like what projects would be here, but like worse. Yeah, good

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enough, okay. The hood tends
to be where it's sectioned off. What's

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it called. There's a very specific
word for it here, like red light

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into this area. Then this area
doesn't get funds that other areas do,

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and so then the violence grows.
It's poorer and poorer. They're very very

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dangerous areas. And so she grew
up in a favela in Riodica, Nero,

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and this is a predominantly Afro Brazilian
neighborhood. Her father was a pastor

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in the Pentecostal church. They were, and her family was pretty involved in

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the church too. It was the
Assembly of God was the name of the

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church, and it's apparently one of
the biggest Pentecostal churches worldwide. And so

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yeah, at the same time that
the church is growing, there's also just

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like crimes and drug uses rising.
This is like the nineteen sixties when she's

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a child. Well, yeah,
she's born in sixty one, so and

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they were involved in the church.
Her dad was like a very well known

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singer in the church. I think
at one point he also becomes a pastor.

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Her mom runs a daycare from the
house where they watched like a hundred

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kids in that neighborhood. But that
also, I think shows just how densely

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populated these favelas are, where like, what do you mean one hundred kids,

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It's like they're available there to be
watched. Like that's how crowdy these

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areas are. And tragically, at
the age of fourteen, her father and

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brother die in a car accident,
and this throws her and her mother even

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like deeper into the church. They
find refuge in it. Pretty soon they

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open their own ministry. It's at
a storefront that they rented out, and

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they quickly grow this loyal following.
And it's mostly because of Flora de Lis.

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She was this very inspirational preacher and
she would preach around the entire neighborhood.

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She was known for her singing voice. It was so good. That's

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mostly why they had this loyal following. And she preached everywhere, including very

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dangerous favelas, very late at night. She took pride in converting gang members

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to churchgoers, and this is how
her life goes for a while, even

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into adulthood, she loves to talk
about how she came from this very dangerous

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favela and she overcame it thanks to
God. Can find clips of her talking

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about this on her Instagram and it's
still up, yes, her Instagram.

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And I don't understand that much Portuguese, but I'm like, oh, I

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heard favela and I heard dangerous,
so yeah, you can hear those words,

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and so now you know. Later
in her adulthood, now we're like

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in the early nineteen nineties. She's
the mother of three children, she's a

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teachers. Well, her and her
mom still have her ministry. It's still

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going strong, stronger than ever.
Also, no one knows what happened to

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the three the father of the three
children. They just said he went up

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north. I don't know what that
means. Usually means the US, doesn't

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it well, then in Brazil,
so everything's north, that's true. Yeah,

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but yeah, he just left and
never came back. And that was

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her first husband. But you know, this whole time that her ministry is

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still going, the neighborhood is getting
worse. There's more drugs, more gangs,

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more murder. Florida de Lise and
her congregation start preaching in the neighborhood

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on Friday now, even as late
as midnight, just spreading the word of

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the Lord. There's a story that
she likes to tell from this time where

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she went up to this dangerous favela
a leader who wasn't going to let her

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into the neighborhood to preach, and
she yelled at him that if if her

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God wanted to, he would turn
this favela leader into a leper. And

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the leader was like, already fine, like you can come preach. I

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thought, I thought you were going
to say that God would smite him.

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But I mean basically, yeah,
and for people that don't know, like

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the way that these gang leaders are, like they're very organized. There was

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like a president of like the favela
that's the gang leader. I don't know

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if you guys remember that Michael Jackson
video where he's in Brazil. Yeah,

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yeah, okay, he had to
get permission from the favela leader. The

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government was even going to help him
to film this video, but he went

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and talked to the favela leader and
he's like, oh, I love Michael

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Jackson, and they filmed the whole
video there. Yeah. But yeah,

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that just goes to show how the
favelas and the organizational like how it's all

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organized. So yeah, this favela
leader led her into the neighborhood and yeah,

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I mean she was revered by the
youth and she left like this lasting

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impression, especially when she did this
like standing up to favella leaders. Mm

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hmm. I mean that's impressive.
So she was seen as this hero and

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soon she started adopting favela these favella
kids, and they were more like teens,

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not kids. And these were not
formal adoptions at all. It was

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like just they started hanging out of
her house and then they never left and

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then she's like, yeah, you
guys are like my children now. But

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her house wasn't really like the safe
haven that was said to be. It

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was just like a no rules like
place anything goes kind of yeah, so

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of course, like they're gonna want
to move with her, right, And

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I don't know if you'll go into
it later, but she kind of made

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it out to seem that these were
like street children with no parents, but

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they did have parents, and it's
like you said, they just wanted to

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live with her because there was no
rules there. Yes, And so in

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the beginning, it's her first,
her own kids, her three biological children,

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and a group of five adopter teens. That's like the beginning group,

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right, but then it just like
it grows. So among these five adopter

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teens is the man that would become
her husband, so inappropriate, yeah,

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right, and their son do Camo. He was fifteen when he started coming

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around. How old was she at
this point? She was in her thirties,

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so she swears that they didn't They
weren't romantically involved until he was eighteen.

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So at whatever time he turned like
let's say he was born at one

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pm to fifty nine. Nothing,
no feelings, nothing now twelve pm.

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Love, Yes, dumb. I
hate when people say that. Yeah,

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because it's not true, of course
not. So there's no exact date.

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Oh sorry, I was almost gonna
skip over this. He actually dated her

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daughter first, simone. Oh yeah, oh yeah, disgusting. So there's

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no exact day for when Florida Lisa
and their son began dating or even just

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got married. We know just because
from what they report later on, this

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marriage was either in nineteen ninety four
or nineteen ninety eight. But yeah,

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there's no exact date, just he
was over eighteen for sure. So around

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this time, somehow, for some
reason, Florida Lease runs into this lady

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who says she can't take care of
her newborn anymore. Like she just abandoned

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this newborn. It's behind a dumpster
right now, she just abandoned it.

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And like Florida the les could take
this baby in, she could save it,

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and she agrees. But then the
lady like goes on and she says,

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how there's like fourteen babies that are
survivors of a massacre and they're in

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the streets and if she could take
them and saintly Flora de Lise agrees.

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So, now there's the eight kids
that were already you know, in her

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home, and then fourteen, well
fifteen, the baby that was in behind

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the dumpster, and then these fourteen
from the massacre. Nobody even questions where

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these babies are from or anything like, and yeah, I mean they really

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could have been from a massacre because
these things did happen in Brazil all that

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time. But yeah, now there's
God, what is that? I'm but

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at math So fifteen, fifteen plus
eight, twenty, yes, thank you,

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thank you. I'm Jay. So, yeah, we're in the In

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ninety four, there's twenty three kids
in her home. They're all in her

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two bedroom apartment. That's where they
live. And she gets so much attention

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for taking these street kids in.
She's revered like, oh, this saintly

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woman, she's she's so I don't
no kind and caring, and it gets

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the attention of the media, and
you know, she starts talking to them,

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and there's a journalist that actually goes
to the home and tours it,

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and then they were like, what
the fuck cuz the house smelled like rotten

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fruit. She was giving them rotten
food from food stands that they were going

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to throw away that's what she was
feeding them. Oh yeah, And there

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was just the kids everywhere. They
had nowhere to stay. I mean there's

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no order, there's no structure,
there's no privacy, no space. Those

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babies that she got all in one
crib to sleep, Oh my god,

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how did they survive that? How
do they even fit? And so he's

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rightfully concerned. He goes to the
police and he's like, this is child

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abuse and datament at the very least, I think they're the same thing.

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Right now, they're different kinds of
abuse. Yes, thank you, Resident

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expert Kerman. Now she's getting like
the wrong kind of attention for this,

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right, and police and authorities become
aware of this, and so there's a

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judge that accuses her of harboring underage
kids in her apartment. I mean that

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it's not wrong. He's kind of
right, Okay. So yeah, Florida

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Lis. Instead of doing like the
reasonable thing and like turning herself in or

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explaining the situation like oh no I
took them in or whatever, No,

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she doesn't do that. She grabs
all the children and they move to another

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favela like twenty five minutes away.
Surely she had to rent a bus or

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something. I don't know. But
when she moved them twenty five minutes away,

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they didn't have anywhere to go,
and they were like all under this

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bus stop. And then ganging leaders
went not to them and they're like,

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what are you doing here? Why
are you in our hood? Right?

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She explains it herself away, and
they're inspired by her story. They call

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up the favela president and he gives
her an apartment to stay at. It's

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nice of them, I guess,
right, But this whole time she's accused

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of stealing these kids. I mean, I believe it. Yeah, Like,

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and you didn't steal them, like
you you you know their orphans?

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Yes, yeah, you would think
so. Yeah. This whole time,

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there's like a warrant out for her
rest basically, And so finally, once

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she set up in this new apartment, she's tired of hiding. She's gonna

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go and explain herself. So she
goes to the Court of Justice. And

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this is like a few months after
being on the run. And when she

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goes to the Court of Justice,
somehow word got to the press. They

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all show up there too. It's
this big like media circus and So she

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meets with the judge and someone from
the un I don't know how why.

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I feel like she concocted all this
on purpose to make herself seem like like

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credible, like she's saving the children
to garner like positivity for herself, so

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that in case something went wrong then
like it would cause outrage. Oh yeah,

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I don't doubt that for a second. So she meets with them,

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she makes her case, and the
judge who was out to arrest her,

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the one who was like, you're
harboring underage children, he was convinced.

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He sets up an organization to help
her illegally adopt the children. No one

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person can adopt that much children,
Like stop possible. It's not safe.

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It's not normal either. And if
that was like an actual I don't know,

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like let's say in orphinished or something
like that, the ratio of staff

406
00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:44.480
to children would be outrageous, Like
come on, yeah it is. And

407
00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:48.079
then two men that were watching this
all on the news unfold were so inspired.

408
00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:52.559
I thought you were gonna say,
those are my children? You would,

409
00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:59.680
right. No, they give her
house in the suburb in a suburb

410
00:29:59.799 --> 00:30:03.559
in and they put a they put
furniture in it, they stalk it.

411
00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:07.960
They even put groceries in it.
That's what she wants, attention, money,

412
00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:14.519
free stuff. She's a grifter.
Yeah, and at this point,

413
00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:18.559
there's thirty seven kids in the home, not both of us gassing. What

414
00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:25.200
the fuck? Like stop? Twenty
three was more than enough. Now it's

415
00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:33.759
almost forty. Oh my god,
she stole them. Yeah. So yeah,

416
00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:37.880
at this point, and their son, who like is obviously now on

417
00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:42.160
adults younger than her obviously and her
they set up a church in the garage

418
00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:48.519
of that house, and it's successful. She gets a bunch of people to

419
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:52.119
join her church. She's an amazing
pastor, and so is he. He

420
00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:56.559
starts preaching too. They're both just
as grifting away. Yeah, and actually,

421
00:30:56.599 --> 00:31:00.240
I'm gonna send you guys a picture
of them so you can see that

422
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:03.480
they look like a power couple.
You see them and you're like, oh

423
00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:07.960
wow. She also looks amazing for
her age, because the picture that I'm

424
00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:14.160
sending you guys, she is like
in late fifties. But you know what,

425
00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:18.440
it's the bangs that covering her wrinkles. Maybe she might not be true.

426
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:22.480
That's why I wish I had straight
hair and I could just do that.

427
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:26.519
You know. Yeah, seriously,
he actually does not look that much

428
00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:30.880
younger than No, I mean she
does look good. No, she Wow,

429
00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:34.359
she looks good. No, wonder
she's able to grift as much as

430
00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:40.119
she was. Yeah, i mean
she's beautiful. It's that a pretty privilege.

431
00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:44.480
But yeah, they set up this
chairch they're successful. She is again,

432
00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:48.440
I'm an amazing singer. So this
time she releases a gospel album,

433
00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:52.240
but this one doesn't do well.
Then in two thousand and two, Flora

434
00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:56.240
Lis was invited to a very famous
Brazilian talk show. It's like the Oprah

435
00:31:56.279 --> 00:32:00.720
Show basically, like it's this huge
talk show. Like most of her adopted

436
00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:04.559
kids now they're in their twenties,
they're adults, and so they're all sitting

437
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:07.759
with her in this show. She's
being interviewed. The host of the show

438
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:12.559
calls her the mother of Brazil because
they're sharing her story about how she's adopted

439
00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:15.839
all these kids and they quote unquote
save them. Right on top of that,

440
00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:22.200
the director of the network that this
talk shows on is watching and he's

441
00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:27.160
so inspired he makes a movie on
this. So he gives Florida Lese her

442
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:30.759
own movie. She stars in it. But then there's actors for her all

443
00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:34.279
her children. Oh wow, but
she is the star of this movie.

444
00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:37.160
And yeah, like the movie releases
in two thousand and nine, there's the

445
00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:43.039
huge premiere Florida the Leise Walks the
Red Carpet. But the movie's a flop

446
00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:47.359
for the director at least, But
for Florida Lese, it brought her success

447
00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:53.839
because her church is flooded with new
followers. Damn, just what she wants.

448
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:58.880
And as you guys know, like
the follow more followers for your church

449
00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:04.359
means more tidings, more money.
So yeah, her church grew in insane

450
00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:07.759
a mount She's like a celebrity pastor. Now she gets a record deal.

451
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:14.759
She releases five gospel albums that are
all successful. She's on top of the

452
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:17.759
world and they're still and her husband's
son, son, husband, whatever you

453
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:22.119
want to call him, he's now
her manager too. So yeah, on

454
00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:25.200
top of running the church, he's
also her manager. He's the man of

455
00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:29.920
the house. He controls everything.
The kids need his permission just to set

456
00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:32.559
foot outside of the home. The
money, he controls it. What she

457
00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:38.400
wears, he picks right all this, But I mean whatever, their partnership

458
00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:45.440
is working for them. They have
seven churches now, she's making bank in

459
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:49.759
this time. She's making like thirty
K a month, which is like more

460
00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:53.759
than twenty times the average salary monthly
salary Indrio the Canidro. And you know,

461
00:33:53.920 --> 00:33:59.640
you think like she'd finally be happy
with it, but no, it's

462
00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:05.119
never Yeah, it's never enough.
She starts having visions from God and we,

463
00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:09.400
oh, my God, not more
visions, please please stop with the

464
00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:15.360
visions. And in these visions,
she sees that she's a politician, She's

465
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:20.119
meant to be a politician. And
she goes from a one grift to the

466
00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:24.039
next grift to the next grift.
Just a natural grifter. That's like what

467
00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:36.239
we were missing from this trifecta pastor
supermom politician. So she does run for

468
00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:39.039
a local office twice and loses.
I think at some point she holds one

469
00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:46.440
minor office before twenty eighteen. In
twenty eighteen, a congressman named Alde de

470
00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:51.920
oli Veda. He's ready to move
on from Congress. And this is their

471
00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:53.440
version of Congress. It has a
different name. I'm just using Congress so

472
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:59.480
that we all understand. So he
is ready to not be a congressman.

473
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:05.320
He's gonna run for Senate now,
and so he gets Flora Lis to start

474
00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:08.920
campaigning because he wants her to take
his current seat. They belong to the

475
00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:15.239
same party. He's also part owner
of her gospel label. Seems a little

476
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:19.679
unethical to me, but whatever.
So yeah, her and Anderson they get

477
00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:23.079
to work and they campaign, and
they campaign hard, and it works.

478
00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:30.000
At fifty seven, she wins with
the landslide. Oh my god, and

479
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:34.400
this new power and fame, it's
it's still not enough for her. She

480
00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:39.320
starts feeling like Anderson is pointless now, like she's in the Senate. He's

481
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:44.800
controlling me for what. I don't
need him anymore, right, They start

482
00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:50.000
having marriage problems to try him and
this is her version of all this.

483
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:55.079
So to try and save their marriage, they go on this beach trip and

484
00:35:55.159 --> 00:36:00.440
they're seen by the paparazzi. They're
having a great time, so great that

485
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:02.800
they have sex on top of their
car and public. I guess, I

486
00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:07.480
don't know my gone, I mean, like, how was she seen doing?

487
00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:12.679
Yeah, I guess she called the
paps herself. Yeah something, Oh

488
00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:15.159
my god. And I don't know
if she later told police this or if

489
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:20.519
other people heard this, but that
he covers her no no, no,

490
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:22.679
and their song is heard yelling I
love you while they're doing it on top

491
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:30.599
of her car, and that just
sounds so uncomfortable. Yeah. Man,

492
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:34.280
Yeah, they're so happy during this
trip, like the marriage fixed. You

493
00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:37.199
know, all they needed was to
have sex on top of their car.

494
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:39.760
Wow. Yeah, so I don't
know if you're having manageables, maybe try

495
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:46.280
that. Try it. Florida list
approved. So yeah, they're happy,

496
00:36:46.519 --> 00:36:51.639
they're in love again. They head
back to Rio the Carnado from the beach

497
00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:55.960
trip. They get back to their
house around three three am. Florida Lis

498
00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:59.440
goes inside first. She's like,
oh, I'm gonna check out all the

499
00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:01.599
children, So she rushes inside.
He stays in the car, just like

500
00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:07.480
gathering some things. And then when
she's inside the house, she hears you

501
00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:12.599
know, like multiple gang bane Oh
my god. So she runs outside.

502
00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:15.440
The kids try to and I say
kids, but again a lot of them

503
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:17.960
are adults. Now actually by this
point most of them are adults. So

504
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:21.360
they're holding her back, like,
no, you don't need to see how

505
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:24.920
horrible this is. But yeah,
Anderson was shot multiple times. I think

506
00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:30.960
thirty times. Oh my god,
it's terrible. It's terrible. That is

507
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:35.559
yeah, overkill much? Yeah,
right, it almost isn't kind of like

508
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:40.320
personal? Yeah, I would think
like they were like really making sure he

509
00:37:40.400 --> 00:37:45.400
was dead. Yeah, this wasn't
random, right, So he's rushed to

510
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:50.800
the hospital, but he dies,
he passes away there. He's forty two

511
00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:54.679
at this point. So the next
morning it's all over the news because again

512
00:37:54.679 --> 00:37:59.880
they were this power duo, like
this was gonna be wide white news,

513
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:02.280
and it was. You know,
people are like, who could have done

514
00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:07.320
this? And that's not the only
question because then police are like, wait,

515
00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:12.400
this is kind of weird. We
have more questions. Actually, please

516
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:15.119
start asking more questions other than who
could have done this? Because things started

517
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:21.559
getting suspicious. All the gunshots,
the majority of them were in his manhood

518
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:25.119
area, so personal again, like
you know, someone who knows him did

519
00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:32.760
it. The amount of gunshots or
bullet wounds, and the area that it's

520
00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:39.320
in, Like yeah from criminal minds, I know, not criminal minds told

521
00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:45.599
me that this was a crime of
passion and rage. Yes, yeah.

522
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:50.320
Yeah. On top of that,
they live on a dead end street and

523
00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:54.840
no one was seen entering the street
after them, So what does that tell

524
00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:59.559
us the killer was already there?
The call is coming from inside the home,

525
00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:05.119
yes, So nothing is adding up. Detectives start interviewing all the kids

526
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:07.320
and I keep calling them kids because
they are her as at the kids,

527
00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:10.639
but again they're adults, the adult
children. Yeah, so they started writing

528
00:39:10.639 --> 00:39:15.639
gathering all the adult children. None
of their stories add up. They're searching

529
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:21.039
the home through the least is in
the corner, sobbing the whole time.

530
00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:24.639
They were like, she's putting on
a show. Yes, exactly, and

531
00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:30.159
that I learned from mind Hunter right
now, Yeah, all these show is

532
00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:36.440
teaching us stuff. They're searching the
home. They see that none of the

533
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:40.920
cameras that are recording point to the
house, and this is supposed to be

534
00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:44.480
like surveillance, and it's all pointed
away from the home. Like, that's

535
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:49.800
suspicious too, So the detective start
running background checks on all the adult children

536
00:39:50.320 --> 00:39:55.480
and they get hits, including one
of the youngest adult children. So eighteen

537
00:39:55.559 --> 00:40:00.000
year old Lucas. He there's a
hit from the background show because he has

538
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:04.320
a worn out for selling drugs.
But on top of that, when they

539
00:40:04.360 --> 00:40:08.480
were reviewing footage of the night,
he is seen on that night arriving in

540
00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:15.079
an uber, getting out and going
inside the house and then coming back out.

541
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:19.960
This is within fifteen minutes of the
shooting. Of the shooting, so

542
00:40:20.119 --> 00:40:22.079
yeah, they're like, okay,
we need to bring Lucas in. They

543
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:25.280
bring him in. He starts saying
that, oh, the reason he was

544
00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:30.519
there is because he sells drugs.
He went there to just stash his drugs

545
00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:34.159
and then he left again to go
to the club. But then investigators like

546
00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:39.599
they push him until he folds.
So then police show up to the funeral,

547
00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:44.280
and the funeral is this huge spectacle. There's thousands and thousands of people

548
00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:49.559
there, and at the funeral they
arrest Flavio. And Flavio is Flora Lisa's

549
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:53.320
biological son. He's thirty eight and
their son is only like four years older

550
00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:57.920
than him. Oh my god.
And their son was only four years older

551
00:40:57.920 --> 00:41:00.880
than Flavio because he was forty two
when he got killed. But police,

552
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:06.840
yeah, they arrested Flavio at the
funeral, and this is because Lucas when

553
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:09.239
he folded, he incriminated Flabyo.
He was like, it was Flabyo.

554
00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:14.039
Flabeo is the one who killed Anderson, not me. And then Flabo immediately

555
00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:15.760
folds. He's like, well I
never liked that bitch. Anderson like,

556
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:22.360
damn those I'm paraphrasing. Yeah,
he says he never liked him. He

557
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:25.480
never liked that he was a few
years older than him. He was mad

558
00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:29.639
about that. So then police go, they search the house again and they

559
00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:34.280
find the gun above Flavio's bed,
and the gun was matched to him.

560
00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:37.920
They knows his because they found something
on it. And Carmen, you might

561
00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:42.119
already know what they found on the
gun. Mjny guesses on what was found

562
00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:45.639
on the gun, like how they
matched it to Flavio. I don't,

563
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:51.079
I don't remember, you don't remember, Okay, Well they found his pubes

564
00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:57.000
on the gun. Is that what
you were gonna get? Some je Well,

565
00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:05.719
it was it was, oh my
god. Yeah, and you know,

566
00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:07.599
I imagine that they got there because
you know how some people push.

567
00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:10.639
I mean, and I think the
normal thing is to put the gun between

568
00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:15.920
your pants and your boxers, but
always it he put it inside, but

569
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:21.239
maybe keep Oh my god, but
maybe you put it inside his boxer,

570
00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:28.480
like why, oh my god.
Yeah, it's the way a way to

571
00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:35.440
lose the member. I was dying
when I heard that. That's I can't

572
00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:38.800
forgot that. Yeah. So I
mean, now there's there's no doubt.

573
00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:42.880
There's no doubt the gun is his, but that's not it. There's more

574
00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:46.400
to the story. Wagner, one
of the oldest adopted kids, goes to

575
00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:51.800
the police. So he moved into
Florida Lisa's house when he was twelve,

576
00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:54.840
and he I mean like rose up
in the rings as one of her favorites.

577
00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:58.920
He was a pastor in the church. He was also in politics too,

578
00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:02.559
he was he held like a position
in local government. So he told

579
00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:07.679
police that, uh, Anderson was
actually in the hospital a lot leading up

580
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:13.079
to the murder. He was sick
all the time. He has stomach issues.

581
00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:19.480
Uh carmn. Yes, they're poisoning
him too. Yes, yeah,

582
00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:22.840
he was sick all the time.
And then he overheard Simonette, Florida LIS's

583
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:29.239
daughter, the one that Anderson dated
first. So he heard Simonette telling Florida

584
00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:31.119
Lise like, well, hey,
you're a you're in the congress now,

585
00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:37.039
like we don't need Anderson anymore,
right, Oh my god. He also

586
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:43.239
overheard Florida li saying that that Anderson
he wouldn't make it through the year.

587
00:43:44.119 --> 00:43:47.840
And on top of that, one
of his adopted brothers told Wagner not to

588
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:52.239
eat anything at the house because Florida
les was poisoning Anderson. Oh my god.

589
00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:55.599
They didn't even like try to hide
it or anything. No, no,

590
00:43:57.320 --> 00:44:00.280
So Wagner he did confront Florida Lis
about hearing this, but then she

591
00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:04.320
was like, no, no,
I'm just mixing his meds into his juice

592
00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:08.960
because he won't take them. And
he believed her. But when he Wagner

593
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:14.599
saw Flora de Lis at the funeral
just pouring her eyes out crying, he

594
00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:17.719
was like, wait a minute,
this is a performance. She doesn't she's

595
00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:22.639
not actually sad, she's acting.
And that's what made him even more suspicious

596
00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:25.599
and why he went to the police. And so then he kind of revealed

597
00:44:25.800 --> 00:44:30.719
more about the home situation, and
then we learned how truly horrible it was.

598
00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:35.199
So he told officers that the house
one it was overcrowded, like obviously

599
00:44:35.239 --> 00:44:39.039
with that many kids, but there
was kids sleeping on the floor, under

600
00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:44.920
the table, under beds just because
there was no room. Like I said

601
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:50.559
earlier, all the babies were in
one cot scabies was running rampant through the

602
00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:53.239
house. My god, it's horrible
and they're so hard to get rid of.

603
00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:58.719
It's disgusting. I'm gonna start scratching
myself. It's disgusting. Every time

604
00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:01.199
there's a patient was like scabies bites. It's very rare that they're on the

605
00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:07.119
person. They're usually in the home. They don't like spread that easily unless

606
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:10.039
you stay in that house. So
people come in with like bites and then

607
00:45:10.159 --> 00:45:14.920
I get all traumatized and I start
scratching myself. Then I have to look

608
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:17.480
up, like the cleaning situation of
the room after the person leaves, and

609
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:21.599
I look it up and then I
see a giant image and I'm like ugh,

610
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:25.320
just because I have to see yeah
there. I will not be putting

611
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:30.119
a picture up because I hate looking
at anybody. No scabies images. Okay,

612
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:34.440
so yeah, scaby's bad. Kids
were eating you know, bread for

613
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:38.360
basically only carbs, bread, pasta, whatever was cheap when they weren't eating

614
00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:44.519
rotten fruit right, oh my god, or leftovers and even in the house.

615
00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:47.280
So younger kids had older kids assigned
to them to take care of them

616
00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:52.360
because there was so many how fundy
yeah right, very fundy coated. And

617
00:45:52.400 --> 00:46:00.719
they're religious even more fundy. Yeah, they're Evangelicals. So within the family

618
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:04.280
and like all the children, there
was like they were split into groups.

619
00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:07.719
So there was some that were loyal
to and their sown and then others that

620
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:10.719
were loyal to Flora Lise, and
they knew who was in which group.

621
00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:17.440
Simonet, she spied on all the
kids and reported to Flora Lise about what

622
00:46:17.480 --> 00:46:23.239
they did wrong because they were being
like controlled, controlling, abusive environment,

623
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:28.880
a high control group. Hmmm,
like a cult, Oh my god,

624
00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:31.559
yeah, like a Yeah, she
was brand like a cult. She even

625
00:46:31.639 --> 00:46:37.400
told them like at one point she
was an angel who was being incarnated.

626
00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:40.800
She made herself like the leader of
this cult right where they had to follow

627
00:46:40.840 --> 00:46:45.960
her, worship her. The dynamics
were just like wrong in the group,

628
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:50.519
you know, splitting siblings like that, pinning one against the other. This

629
00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:55.400
is like bad, bad things to
do when raising children, but also just

630
00:46:55.480 --> 00:47:02.679
having fitty something children it's also bad. Yes. So once police were told

631
00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:06.440
all this history, they were like, all right, we need to question

632
00:47:06.559 --> 00:47:09.800
like each one. So all the
siblings were interrogated separately, and the story

633
00:47:09.800 --> 00:47:15.679
had even more holes and they learn
more at this point when they are searching

634
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:21.360
the phone of these adult children,
some of their searches say assassin, where

635
00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:25.880
to find assassin? How to poison
someone without being caught? So the kids

636
00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:30.239
adopted you know, adult kids.
They tried a poison and their son he

637
00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:35.039
doesn't die. Flora List tells them, well, you're gonna need to use

638
00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:40.599
a gun because you've tried everything else. Simonette, she is on record on

639
00:47:40.639 --> 00:47:45.559
the record saying that and their soe
was bad at dying. Oh my god.

640
00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:47.599
She also tries to get an ex
boyfriend of hers who was a police

641
00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:52.559
officer, to kill him, and
he refused and they broke up. This

642
00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:57.800
is outrageous. Yeah. Then finally, when like other plans are failing,

643
00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:01.880
they get the youngest adopted kids,
Lucas, the eighteen year old, to

644
00:48:01.960 --> 00:48:06.360
do the job. That's so sad. He's the most like the youngest,

645
00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:12.480
the most probably the easiest to manipulate, like vulnerable. Yeah, so he

646
00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:15.400
wasn't actually living with them at the
time because he got tired of Anderson's lecture

647
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:21.239
because he used drugs and Anderson didn't
prove, so he wasn't even living there.

648
00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:27.400
They offered him one hundred and fifty
dollars and Anderson's collection of wristwatches to

649
00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:30.320
kill him. Wow, And at
first he said no, but then he

650
00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:34.400
agrees. So he is the one
who ends up getting the gun. And

651
00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:37.039
what he was really dropping off was
apparently the gun on that day. Wasn't

652
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:43.639
stashing his drugs and leaving, he
was giving them the gun. And Flavio

653
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:45.639
he's the one who ends up using
the gun in the end. Lucas is

654
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:49.519
not the one who, oh okay, actually pulls the trigger. He just

655
00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:52.559
got the gun for them. Yeah, Flavio is the one who kills him.

656
00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:55.760
So Flabeo is the one who shot
him thirty times, and yeah,

657
00:48:55.760 --> 00:48:58.960
I mean it checks out. He
didn't like him. He shot him in

658
00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:00.440
the genitals, like, oh,
that's for all the times you did my

659
00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:04.960
mom, like you know, oh, my god. Probably, and then

660
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:07.440
after the shooting, all the siblings
work together to make it seem like a

661
00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:12.800
random robbery. So they were all
in on it. And so you know,

662
00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:15.800
investigators, they need more evidence because
Florida Lise is a congress woman,

663
00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:22.559
and it's very hard to arrest them. And it makes sense, like if

664
00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:24.880
you know the history of Brazil,
you know there was a lot of dictatorships.

665
00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:32.280
Dictatorships come with repressive things like arresting
your political opponents. Yeah, no

666
00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:38.039
evidence, right, just you know, arresting people left and right. And

667
00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:44.159
so now they it's difficult to arrest
someone that's in Congress. So they need

668
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:46.559
like a solid, solid, solid
case, So they need more evidence.

669
00:49:46.800 --> 00:49:51.800
They're trying to locate Florida Lise and
Anderson's phone to find evidence, and they

670
00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:57.280
can't. But eventually they guess the
password of Anderson's cloud logging info like they

671
00:49:57.280 --> 00:50:00.719
guess it right, and then this
is where they found they find more information.

672
00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:06.679
Six of the adopted adult children are
arrested or for all colluding in this,

673
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:13.320
and so eventually they find out that
two weeks before Flora Lis was elected,

674
00:50:13.400 --> 00:50:16.159
she told one of the sons that
she needed to find a way out

675
00:50:16.239 --> 00:50:21.280
because she could not separate. It
would be too scandalous for her to divorce

676
00:50:21.400 --> 00:50:27.000
and their son not if she got
away with it, which was her plan.

677
00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:30.400
They didn't even plan well at all. So it's not well executed.

678
00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:37.320
Yeah, not in this in this
case, how they you know how they

679
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:42.599
say there's too many cooks in the
kitchen. Yeah, yeah, that's what

680
00:50:42.760 --> 00:50:46.119
was happening here. So this was
what they needed. They needed her saying

681
00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:51.000
this. They needed to know the
motive, and now she was on record

682
00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:55.840
saying this, so they take her
into custody. Once she's arrested, more

683
00:50:57.400 --> 00:51:01.639
family members of the adopted adult children. They come forward and they said,

684
00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:05.920
we've been searching for our kids,
like we've been trying to contact them.

685
00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:10.039
I I was waiting for this.
Wow. Yeah. So apparently like once

686
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:14.199
they stayed there, they were convinced
by her that they didn't need their old

687
00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:17.960
families. She was, you know, an angel reincarnated, just like a

688
00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:22.599
high control group. Yeah, like
isolating them, keeping them away from their

689
00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:27.880
family. Yeah. On top of
that, they were put through these purification

690
00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:31.199
rituals or they were locked in rooms
for twenty one days. So yeah,

691
00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:37.199
like a coulp Yeah, straight up. Uh huh. And at least one

692
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:42.760
of the adult adopted children told police
that had a sexual relationship with Florida Lese.

693
00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:45.760
So it's like now too known.
Yeah, and their son and now

694
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:50.719
this other one, but you know
Florida Lese. She insisted that she was

695
00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:55.679
innocent. She had written this letter
that in fall of twenty twenty, claiming

696
00:51:55.719 --> 00:52:01.199
that Wagner was the one who told
Luca to get the gun and Lucas did

697
00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:05.679
it right, Lucas was the one
who shot, who fired, That's what

698
00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:09.599
her letter said. Then she had
one of the other adopted children take this

699
00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:14.119
letter to Lucas and telling him he
needs to take the fall for this,

700
00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:19.159
that she would love him forever if
he took the fall for this. Lucas

701
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:22.559
didn't do it. Instead, he
told police officers about the letter and how

702
00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:25.079
she wanted him to rewrite this letter
to make it seem like it was coming

703
00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:30.639
from him, and then they added
forgery to her charges. She doesn't racking

704
00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:36.719
them up. Yeah, So now
Flabeo's arrested, Lucas gets more time added

705
00:52:36.760 --> 00:52:39.360
on because he's in jail during this, and then there's an impeachment vote because

706
00:52:39.400 --> 00:52:44.000
if she can get impeached, then
she can be tried actually go through the

707
00:52:44.039 --> 00:52:47.159
court system. So first she needs
to be impeached. At her impeachment trial,

708
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:51.960
she begs them not to impeach her, that she's innocent, but she

709
00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:55.400
does get impeached. There were only
seven votes against it, and I'm like

710
00:52:57.079 --> 00:53:00.679
seven, that's like, that's went
too many. Yeah, what do you

711
00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:07.440
mean? Were le seven her adopted
children that made it into Congress that are

712
00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:13.400
part of Congress? No right?
So she posts a videos for her Instagram

713
00:53:13.519 --> 00:53:16.199
later that day after the impeachment saying
that she's going to get arrested for something

714
00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:22.039
that she didn't do. That to
pray for her. She's been forsaken,

715
00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:27.559
but she's arrested a little bit after
this video honestly, yeah, actually,

716
00:53:28.039 --> 00:53:31.320
and her much shrug goes viral.
She really thought she was going to get

717
00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:37.039
away with this. She still claims
innocence. She has eight hundred and ten

718
00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:44.639
thousand followers on Instagram. Oh my
god, her handle is floor de lis

719
00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:49.840
Cantra. If anyone wants to look
up her Instagram, someone's running the account.

720
00:53:49.880 --> 00:53:52.719
I don't know if it's her,
someone for her, but Florida.

721
00:53:53.719 --> 00:53:57.880
Yeah. Oh during the trial and
all that, she was still active.

722
00:53:57.960 --> 00:54:01.360
Yeah. Her thing says my mother
cut sinko echos, right, that's what

723
00:54:01.440 --> 00:54:05.400
it says. That's what that means. Let me see see translation to Cibo's

724
00:54:05.480 --> 00:54:07.400
right. Okay, what's right?
Mother of fifty five kids? Mm hmm

725
00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:13.199
yeah, ridiculous, Like, no, you're not you stole these kids.

726
00:54:13.639 --> 00:54:16.400
But yeah, eight hundred ten already
said that number. Yeah. Five of

727
00:54:16.480 --> 00:54:21.800
her adopted kids testified against her.
In the trial. She was found guilty.

728
00:54:21.880 --> 00:54:25.679
She received a fifty year sentence.
Somehow, during her trial she already

729
00:54:25.719 --> 00:54:30.559
had a new boyfriend and he was
sobbing. I don't know how. Wow,

730
00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:34.719
No, Like, when does she
find times that day. Well,

731
00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:38.039
she delegated the killing to other people, so she had time. You're right,

732
00:54:38.079 --> 00:54:42.320
you're right. But yeah, he
was sobbing when he heard her sentence.

733
00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:45.599
Simone, her daughter, was found
guilty and sentenced for thirty one years

734
00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:51.400
for you know, helping in the
murder planning. By the end of all

735
00:54:51.400 --> 00:54:54.840
this, she had a total of
fifty five adopted and biological children, so

736
00:54:54.880 --> 00:55:00.639
fifty five children, and at her
trial she said the following, if I

737
00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:02.639
leave here today, I'll leave with
my head held high because I know I'm

738
00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:07.079
indicent, and I know everyone will
know I'm or and everyone will know I'm

739
00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:13.039
innocent. My innocence will be proven. I keep fighting to guarantee my freedom,

740
00:55:13.159 --> 00:55:16.079
the freedom of my children, and
mind family, which is also being

741
00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:21.039
wronged with everything that is happening,
My family is suffered. My family is

742
00:55:21.079 --> 00:55:28.159
being judged. Yeah at court.
Yeah, at court as you and they

743
00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:35.400
should, for plotting and executing the
murder of a man. Oh my god.

744
00:55:35.559 --> 00:55:37.400
Yeah. So yeah, in the
end, five kids were in jail.

745
00:55:37.400 --> 00:55:43.400
I know Flavio, Luca Si them, but I don't know about the

746
00:55:43.400 --> 00:55:45.480
other. I don't know who the
other two are. I can find their

747
00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:50.159
names, but yeah, that is
the case of Flora de Lis, the

748
00:55:50.199 --> 00:55:55.159
Mother of Brazil terrible fucking crazy.
I got worse and worse. Yeah,

749
00:55:55.480 --> 00:55:59.079
yeah, I really did. I
was like, oh, this story is

750
00:55:59.119 --> 00:56:00.840
a little lighter when I was like
first like reading about it. Then I

751
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:02.559
was like, oh, god,
no, this is just as bad.

752
00:56:04.559 --> 00:56:07.559
I'm glad I didn't actually say that
in the episode. I have a little

753
00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:13.079
lighter true crime story for everyone.
It's definitely not no, it's it's dark,

754
00:56:13.159 --> 00:56:16.960
and it gets worse. Child abuse, child neglect, child fealing,

755
00:56:17.639 --> 00:56:29.559
endangerment, murder, poisoning, cold
yeah really yeah, grins terres everything.

756
00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:37.280
Yeah. So, anyway, I
guess we have reached the end of the

757
00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:43.119
episode. Does anyone have spooky recommendations? I have one? Oh do tell

758
00:56:43.480 --> 00:56:45.519
Yeah? Well, I forgot to
mention it last time we recorded, but

759
00:56:46.039 --> 00:56:50.639
I wanted to recommend the movie that
me and you watched. What is it

760
00:56:50.679 --> 00:56:54.760
Life After Bed or something like that. Oh yeah, so is her name?

761
00:56:55.159 --> 00:57:00.400
Is it Aubrey or Audrey? It's
Aubrey, right, Aubrey Plasta yeah,

762
00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:05.159
Tomrey Yeah, Okay, anyway,
she's in it. Spencer from Krinel

763
00:57:05.239 --> 00:57:08.519
Mines is in it, and it's
like a zombie movie. But it's it's

764
00:57:08.599 --> 00:57:13.960
funny. Yeah, it's different.
It does have some like two thousand,

765
00:57:14.960 --> 00:57:21.079
two thousand humor a little outdated.
Yeah, but it's really like kind of

766
00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:24.119
concentrated in that one scene for the
most part, so it's not too bad.

767
00:57:24.280 --> 00:57:27.719
But honestly, like, I liked
it, Like my favorite thing is

768
00:57:27.760 --> 00:57:32.519
horror comedies, which it is,
and like the sillier the dumber, the

769
00:57:32.559 --> 00:57:38.639
better for me. And it was
hilarious. Yeah, it was pretty silly,

770
00:57:39.159 --> 00:57:40.760
yeah, but I loved it.
I loved it. It was like

771
00:57:40.840 --> 00:57:45.840
a good silly yeah. Yeah.
Okay, Well my speaky recommendation will be

772
00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:50.920
again. Murders the new scary effem
show. Go check it out. I

773
00:57:51.079 --> 00:57:54.920
am also doing some writing research and
writing for it. Edwin is the host.

774
00:57:55.079 --> 00:57:59.679
We love Edwin here. Listen to
him and Michelle a few episodes ago.

775
00:57:59.719 --> 00:58:01.800
They were hilarious and also scary at
the same time, which is what

776
00:58:01.880 --> 00:58:07.400
we do here. But yeah,
there's scores, there's stories, were creepy.

777
00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:10.280
But but yeah, Murders, it's
a yeah YouTube crime show solo hosted

778
00:58:10.440 --> 00:58:15.760
Edwin reads the story and yeah,
it's good. The first case actually,

779
00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:20.880
the first two episodes are stories from
California. From California the I don't know

780
00:58:20.920 --> 00:58:22.400
if it's the next one or next
SXT episode, but it'll be a case

781
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:28.880
from Mexico which I worked on,
so yeah, check that out. And

782
00:58:28.960 --> 00:58:30.280
yeah, that brings us to the
end of the episode. Go check out

783
00:58:30.320 --> 00:58:35.400
Patreon this Booky taels or patreon dot
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784
00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:39.039
go watch me and Carmen be ridiculous
in a movie theater. I can't help

785
00:58:39.039 --> 00:58:43.039
it, which I'm that way everywhere. Yes, and again, I just

786
00:58:43.079 --> 00:58:45.599
approved seven Day Trials, so try
it out and then join or don't.

787
00:58:46.199 --> 00:58:51.000
Maybe do though, you know,
if you want to keep getting the bonus

788
00:58:51.400 --> 00:58:54.360
the bonus episodes. The stickers that
I still have to make because something is

789
00:58:54.400 --> 00:58:59.000
happening with my stupid printer. I
think I just have to clean it,

790
00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:01.639
honestly, but I just Carmen was
here when I made the stickers, but

791
00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:05.920
they're so cute they I just have
to make more of them because my printer

792
00:59:05.960 --> 00:59:08.760
broke. So yeah, that is
the end of the episode. I don't

793
00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:14.280
know. Make sure you call the
police when your house is haunted so there's

794
00:59:14.280 --> 00:59:17.960
evidence, and stay a spooky well
catch everyone next time. Bye Bye.

795
00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:27.360
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also a baseball hat in the same way

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as Spooky and old English letters,
and that's what I wear in the summers.

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They're both awesome hats, and there's
other things in there, like the

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no Mama's shirts, which is a
very popular shirt. If you like history,

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check out my other podcast, Estodia
is Unknown, hosted with the unofficial

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official guest co host of A Spooky
Tails, Carmen. And if you like

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no velast, checkout Novelaskofizito, which
Carmen and I also host together. And

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yeah, we love every single listen
every single a spooky Thank you so much

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much, stay as spooky