Feb. 21, 2025

Gas, Greed, & Devastation- The Guadalajara Explosions (PNW Haunts and Homicides)

Gas, Greed, & Devastation- The Guadalajara Explosions (PNW Haunts and Homicides)

A devastating series of explosions that rocked Guadalajara on April 22, 1992. Cristina joined PNW Haunts and Homicides to talk about this tragedy in Porltand, Oregon's sister city, Guadalajaara. They unravel the events that led to this shocking...

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A devastating series of explosions that rocked Guadalajara on April 22, 1992. Cristina joined PNW Haunts and Homicides to talk about this tragedy in Porltand, Oregon's sister city, Guadalajaara. They unravel the events that led to this shocking disaster and yes there was greed, toxic chemicals, negligence and flawed infrastructure.

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On April twenty second, nineteen ninety two, a devastating series

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of explosions rocked Guadalajara, Jalisco. There was a dangerous mix

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of gas leaks, government negligence, and flawed infrastructure that led

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to these explosions that killed hundreds, injured thousands, and left

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neighborhoods in Guadalajara in ruins. I'm Christina and this is

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his Spooky Tales. But it's not a normal episode of

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His Spooky Tales because Carmen was too busy to record

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and I was dying. So I am featuring an episode

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from P ANDW Haunts and Homicides that I did a

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couple months ago where we talked about this terrible accident

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in Guadalajara, and the reason they talked about it is

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because Guadalajara is sister cities with Portland, Oregon, which is

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in the PNW, which is what they talk about on

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their podcast. We'll be back next week with a normal

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episode of His Spooky Tales, but for now, enjoy this

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episode with one of our pod besties, PNW Haunts Homicides.

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Hi. Hi, say hello to the creepy people. Hi, creepy people. Yeah, Okay,

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that's the that's pretty much the greeting that they are

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accustomed to.

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That's true. Like I haven't heard it. I have, I

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swear I have.

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I know this is PNW Holmes and Homicides. It's uh oh,

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I can't forget the tagline. Cassie will absolutely murder me.

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It's P and W if you're nicety. Yeah, she gets

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mad whenever I don't say it though. I just said

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it like kind of like as a little like joke

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one time. You hard to keep saying it, and now

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I have to say it forever. Yeah, that's what Cassie said.

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So obviously Cassie is not here. Uh you never heard

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her voice yet. You can't see her if you're watching

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us on YouTube. But we have the lovely Christina.

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Yes, and you know what, it's like a perfect replacement

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because my name also starts with C.

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I know it'eah. So we're still like CE and C.

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You know exactly. It keeps it, you know, it feels

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like it's it's all in the family. Yeah. Yeah. Before

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we get started, obviously, I want to say thank you

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Christina for joining us today. If you've been listening for

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a while, you know that she is one of our

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pod besties. She took us along for the ride to

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the Two Girls One Ghost Show. Breathe, Oh yeah, breathe.

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I forgot about that. Oh yeah, she's just like I

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just do.

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That to say, what do you mean you took me

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along to the light house side I was, I was

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the third wheel.

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Yeah.

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No, we went to the uh the show first.

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Yeah, and that's where I mean, very briefly we met

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Sabrina and then of course, like you mentioned, we dragged

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you up to the point Wilson Lighthouse so that we

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could do our crossover episode, which if you haven't listened

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to that we were just talking about before we hopped

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on that. That was like a really fun episode. We're

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lucky it got made because also I was very distracted

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the whole weekend, and I fully thought I was just

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like on a fun trip because it was so much

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about Yeah, I was like, oh, shoot, I guess I

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have responsibilities and things, so but it felt like it

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was time to find something else to do together. So

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maybe after we record this episode, we'll get to work

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on planning another trip.

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Oh my god, yes, yes.

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I know we have. We've already talked about like as

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soon as we were done with that trip. We had

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more ideas, Parkle. We kept naming places. Yeah yeah, oh

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my gosh. But you actually have a special connection to

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the place that we're going to talk about today, which

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I didn't fully realize until we roped you into this

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with us. So because I was like, I know generally,

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but I was like, this specific city, Yeah, that is

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my hometown.

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My mom's side of the family were all in Guadalajara.

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Well there's a little not a suburb, but like a

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colony that's called Sapopan, which is right by Guadalajara, like

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literally twenty minutes. So we just say Guallalahara because that's

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where everyone is familiar with the bigger city. But yeah,

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that is where I go whenever I go to Mexico.

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I'm actually gonna be there in January.

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So that's so funny because I'm like trying to casually

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drop hints. I'm like, we should go to Mexico. Damn,

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well you should have just came with me. I know.

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Well I'm gonna be I go, like once they're tweaty

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a year or so.

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I was gonna say, you probably like to visit really often.

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Yeah, I gotta see my grandma. You know the I

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am yeah, of course.

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Okay. So actually immediately as you're pronouncing, I don't like now,

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I don't even want to say. I don't even want

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to say.

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I just say every time like you pause, and I'll say.

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We should just have like a hand signal because I'm

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just like guadala, I feel like somebody is like very

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very uh midwestern grandma. But no, I'm just going to

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put it out there. You have absolute carte blanche to

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correct any and all of my pronunciation throughout this because,

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as we know, unfortunately there there was an incident with

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a pew yallop that was.

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From Oh yeah, I forget how to pronounce that all

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the time.

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Yeah, but I hyper focus on my pronunciations, and then

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somehow when my brain spiciness, it meets the dry mouth.

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Yeah yeah, so jumbled. Yeah. I don't always nail it,

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and I rarely do.

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And then people are like, you said, that's wrong. I'm like,

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all right, and what do you want me to do

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about it?

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I'm sorry.

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I don't even say I'm sorry anymore. Yeah, I mean, whoops,

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it happened.

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Whatever. I mean, we're all trying, right, not me? No, No,

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I mean you're making the effort. But yeah, I mean,

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on least go back and to go back and like

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apologize for something that you know you don't mean any harm.

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You're doing your best.

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Yeah yeah, sometimes I mean harm. But yeah, I'll stop,

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I'll stop.

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No, I love it. I'd like to encourage this more harm. Okayeah, no,

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just your spiciness. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean

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there's the potential for a lot of spiciness today because

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I'm also in sort of an adjustment period with my meds.

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So oh hey, okay, yeah, I could get robold.

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My appointment for my refill, so.

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Oh yeah, yeah, you gotta stay on top of that.

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It's rough. It's rough. So today we have an og

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member of the Patreon to thank for suggesting this topic.

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So thank you also to Aarin. I just had to

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wait for the stars to align and the dopamine to

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hit with this one. But as kids say, I believe

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this one slepts. I don't even know why I put

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that in. I'm my god, I say that though, Yeah,

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they say stuff like that. I don't know. It feels

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like in my head I'm picturing somebody cooler saying it.

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So then when I put it in my notes, and

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I'm now trying to read it. I'm like, I feel

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like a soccer mom. Should I not have said that

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established as a sister city to Portland, Oregon in nineteen

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eighty three, Guadalajara is nestled in Jalisco.

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Oh yeah, haalisko, Okay, I totally didn't know we were

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sister saying with Portland, Oregon.

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That's yeah, I know. Yeah, So that was actually why

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one of the Patreon members was like, oh, I know

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about this crazy case, and it's like a sister city

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to Portland, and that's how that's our like workaround. It's

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our cheat code to go international. I love that.

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Yeah, I'm curious about this case because.

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I can't think of one. I'm okay, I'm excited. I

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was curious if you were going to know about this.

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I don't know, we were both alive, but I don't

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know if it'll be something that like you would really

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have like memory of Probably not. Yeah, my memories already terrible,

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So I know it's not great. It doesn't get better.

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It turns out it's worse. Yeah, not agent like a

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fine wine, the opposite. And Guadalajara is actually the capital

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city of that state. In Mexico. Fun fact, both mariachi

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music and tequila originate from there as well. That is true.

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Yeah, so party people. Yeah, the hot sauce. Have you

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seen it? Yeah, that's like the typical when you say

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someone from Helly school, but they look like it's that

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tapat the old man on the hot sauce.

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So that's hilarious. I love that.

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Yeah, whenever, whenever they say you have a host like

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Tapatio's eyes that are Tapatios means like huge eyes because

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they say people form well at HAA and Hally school

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have huge eyes.

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I feel like that holds true, Like I do have

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huge eyes. You have really big eyes, eyes.

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Gigantic, but like in a good way, not a bad way,

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not in like a creepy way, like a really beautiful way.

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While it's not the largest or the most major city

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in Mexico, it is one of the most populous in

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all of Mexico. And actually it rings is. And this

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this statistic, I think is only a handf of years old.

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They might have moved up or down a notch, but

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they're ranked near the top twenty in all of the Americas,

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so North and South America.

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Yeah, it's pretty big. It's the biggest Inhali school. But yeah,

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like you said, not Mexico.

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It's also host to the San Juan de Dios market.

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Oh man, that market is beautiful. Yeah, it's so beautiful.

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Yeah. I grabbed a bunch of different pictures and stuff

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from the market because I'm like, that looks so cool.

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It's massive, it's huge.

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Yeah, it's huge. Every floor has yeah, I mean like

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it's like part of it is outside. Then you go

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inside and there's like I don't know, three or four floors,

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I don't remember anymore. Uh, and then you go outside

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and it just continues and yeah, just so much stuff,

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so much food.

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Like it's just it's great. It looks like there's honestly

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everything there. Yeah, like food and all kinds of different

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like like clothing and like every type of good imaginable. Yeah. Yeah,

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but it is the largest indoor market in Latin America.

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Yeah, it's huge. It's huge. And yeah, if you ever,

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if you're in we Llalahara, you have to go there.

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You have to. You must. You heard it here first,

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So put a pin in the market for now. Just

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what that simmer? Okay, fair warning, there's not really a

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smooth way to transition to this next part, just like,

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really get to rip the band aid off. Okay, I'm ready. Though,

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it seems fitting that we get into the story abruptly

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because the events were going to discuss were anything but

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gradual or subtle. On April twenty second, nineteen ninety two,

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there were a series of several explosions in the downtown

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district of Analco Colonia at.

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Liss Okay, I know it happened, but I know nothing

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about it. Yeah, I'm excited. I don't Yeah, I don't know.

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That's just that happened. There were numerous gasoline explosions in

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the sewer system. Fires continued burning for over four hours,

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destroying roughly eight kilometers or for those of us that

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are Stateside, over five miles of city streets, the most

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badly damaged being Gonte Street. Hundreds of people were injured

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and hundreds more were killed in the ensuing chaos. Though

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numerous sources speculate what exactly the tally was, my research

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indicates it was no fewer than five hundred injured and

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two hundred left dead. Wow, I know, I'm like, that's insane,

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And a lot of the source material says that it's

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probably a lot higher than that it usually is. Whatever

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like number it is like double it exactly exactly, but

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again not exactly a strict consensus per se. Some are

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that it could have been upwards into the thousands, partially

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due to the hundreds of people that were missing in

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the immediate aftermath. So, you know, that's such a hard

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thing because if people are missing right away but then

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they're found, maybe they were presumed dead at some point, Like,

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it's not a good situation. No, not to mention that

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thousands of homes were badly damaged, leaving many stranded on

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the battered nightmare streets. But let's rewind just a little bit.

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Just days before the explosions, residents began complaining that a

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strong gas smell was emanating from the sewers on the streets,

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but also from their own residential plumbing, and it would

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progressively worsen in the days leading up to the explosions.

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The unpleasant odor left residence suffering from nausea as well

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as a state sensation in their throats and eyes in

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some cases. So probably not something pooper ree could take

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care of, right right, Smelly, but not that kind of smelly. Yeah,

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this sounds toxic, I know, but in all seriousness, the

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situation in Guadalajara was pretty alarming. Residents of the city

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were finding gasoline coming out of their water pipes in

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some places, and though city workers discovered dangerously high levels

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of gasoline fumes in the sewers, the city was not

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being evacuated. Oh my god.

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Okay, but like literal gas was coming out of like

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the sink.

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Yes, yeah, in some places. So, and I'm going to

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talk about it a little bit more as we like

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kind of explain like the full series of events and

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more about.

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Why this is happening, because I'm like, okay, but like why,

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You're like.

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Why, but also like there's a there's an element of

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it too where it's like it's liquid but also like gases. Yeah, right,

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And I don't know. It's a really interesting aspect of

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the case to me because there were certain things that

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I was reading and I'm going, well, why does that matter?

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And I'm like, oh, because science.

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Right, Historically not my best subject. I was more like

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a history English dance me too, pe.

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Okay, well you had me until you said pe and

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oh yeah no that was my thing.

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Yeah. I was very fit too, fit I had a

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lot of energy that I had to get out, so

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but no math and science my only bad grades.

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Yeah, I feel like even math, I'm like, I can

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tolerate you. Science it's a pen if it's something really interesting.

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Okay, like like earth science, yes, chemistry hard no hard pass.

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I literally switched majors from nursing because I couldn't get

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the basics of intro to chemistry. Oh my gosh, if

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you want to one or whatever, I'm like, I can't.

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I can't. It's a lot. You're like, Also, when am

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I going to use this? But I guess if I don't,

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I never found out. I did not stick around to

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find out. You're like, I don't even want to know

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the answer to that. I didn't.

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Actually, to be fair, I didn't know I had ADHD

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back then. So I feel like maybe it would have

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been helpful to have meds. Maybe I would have finished

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it a little bit. But even then, I'm pretty sure

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I have like the dyslexia of math, this calculia, and

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so I rough rough rough all around rough times.

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Well, and then there's so much of science that like

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you need to be able to do the mathing for

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it all to like kind of make I'm out.

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I'm out. Are you gonna keep talking about math because

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I'm leaving?

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No, there's no math. Let's get practice, no more math. Yeah,

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She's just like, let's keep this fresh, keep it interesting.

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The city's mayor was decidedly against the idea of evacuating.

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He apparently didn't believe there was any real risk of

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an explosion.

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I mean, when guts coming out of sinks and there's fumes.

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I I don't know, but I could see this happening.

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I could see them downplaying everything to not like because

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then it looks bad on you, because then was this preventable? Right,

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and funny you should was then okay, funny you should

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say that.

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Well. Yeah, Also, though, sir, are you aware that gasoline

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is highly flammable. It's not. It's not just highly preventable,

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but it's like it's so we're seeable. Yeah.

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But for some of these people in positions of power,

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the reputation supersede the safety of the citizens of whatever

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you're supposed to be caring for, like a city safe.

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Right, Definitely, I feel like it makes me a little

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bit nervous going into the next handful of years. Not

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everyone thinks that infrastructure and all of our systems that

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are in place to keep society running and functioning are

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that important. And that's scary. It's very scary. While we're

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on the topic of flammability, let's take a nerd dive,

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shall we.

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Okay, I love these sometimes, and except when they involve math.

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No math, I promise, Okay, Yeah, let's do it for science,

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and I promise I'll try to keep this part both

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the make down for me, yes, brief and relevant and

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very simple brief and for the dumb bitches please. Yeah,

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gasoline has a low flash point and high vapor density.

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It produces ignitable vapors that are three to four times

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heavier than air and can travel great distances at ground level.

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And this will be important to our story because it

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can collect in low places and cause a fire hazard,

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you know, explosion. Yeah, low places like a stewer. Yes, yes,

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I hope you can see where this is going. Yeah,

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but we're going to science some more. So let's talk

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about flammability versus combustibility. A flammable material is one that

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ignites easily at normal temperatures or immediately when exposed to flame,

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whether it's in liquid, solid, or gas form. Gasoline is

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considered flammable, so pretty volatile. Yeah, like just really want

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to drive home the point that it's like this, this

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is dangerous. Yes, yes, it has been driven. I get it.

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Yeah, I it sounds bad. You're like, this is again.

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I was with you. Yeah. Combustible materials are generally speaking

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less volatile, but still require observing safety protocols such as

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storing attempts below their flash points. And that's literally the

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end of the science for now, but I will be

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delving into some interesting aspects of several engineering later. She's like, why, great,

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more science, not what I said it for. Yeah, I

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promise that's not as sleepy as it sounds, though, I swear.

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But now that we've got that out of the way,

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let's go back to April nineteenth, nineteen ninety two. That's

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when it's generally agreed that Gonte Street residents first reported

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a gasoline smell coming out of the guat Aalahara City sewers,

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along with plumes of white smoke.

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Oh no, this all sounds terrible and like it could

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have been like, oh, we're noticing these things, let's take action.

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Do we do something? I'm asking for a friend you

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might be able to get past the smell, but I

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have to imagine that the smoke was pretty goddamn.

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Alarming, right, right, And then I combined.

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Yeah, it's like this smells bad. It's making it hard

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for people to breathe. It's like stinging your eyes. It's

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like kind of a wicked combo.

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Yeah, like all no winnow, no winn a exactly exactly.

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The following day, April twentieth, these reports were investigated and

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high levels of gasoline and other hydrocarbons were discovered. Keep

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in mind, this discovery was prior to an announcement being

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made that the city would not be staging evacuations. So

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they had this information and they were like nope, and

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then they did nothing. Yep, oh no, they did a

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lot of nothing. But why would they. It's not like

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the sewer system below is a ticking time bomb or anything.

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Right, it sounds perfectly fine, that's right.

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And also because the mayor said so, and that's that

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nothing is secure is always right at absolutely wrong. Yeah,

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our elected officials always have our best interests in art especially. Yeah.

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By ten am on April twenty second, man covers began

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to bounce on the streets this all sounds so bad.

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Oh my god, it doesn't sound like it could be real, right,

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Like it sounds out of a movie. Yes, it's like

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out of Oh my gosh, there's so many that are

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just like these crazy intense apocalyptic scenes. And that's a

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thousand percent when I'm picturing. Yeah, and thick column of

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white smoke came pouring out from the sewer system, similar

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to a pot that's been left unattended to boil over.

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Feels a little on the nose, but yeah. Five minutes later,

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the first two explosions were recorded, one on the corner

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of Cazata Indepenzia and Aldama Street and the second at

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the intersection of Gante and de Novembre. Just a moment later,

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the first emergency call was placed. The third explosion at

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ten oh eight sent a bus belonging to the Tuts

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company into the air. Oh my god, launching.

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Oh bus buses are always so full that it's crazy,

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No wonder, so many people. Oh my god, this is terrible.

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I know, I just like and to see the pictures.

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There were a couple of times where I was like,

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they are pictures that are really hard to look at,

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even though it's not particularly like gory. It's not like

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they're not showing anybody yeah who's been you know, mortally

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wounded in most of them. But it's just like you

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just know that that is that's what's happened, and that

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like there are people that are just like horrifically injured

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from this. I just was like, I just want to cry, man.

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So the bus that you know, was just casually flying

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through the air that was on the corner of Gaunte

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and Nicolas Bravo. I just honestly the whole time, I'm thinking, like,

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what is this a set of twister like that? That's crazy?

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Just what like explosion after explosion after explosion that set

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a bus off flying and yeah, the city could have

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been evacuated or this wouldn't just wow.

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Yeah, So I'd love to tell you that the third

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time was the charm in this case. But there's more. Yeah,

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but I think I've led with the phrase several explosions, which,

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as you probably guessed, Okay, yeah, it certainly implies more

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than three.

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Yeah, I would say a few two to three, several

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is four to five were more.

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So what's the word for more than five? Oh? No,

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there was more than five Oh my god, it's not great.

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It's really it's really upsetting, like and honestly we'll talk

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about it as well, but like people and rightly so,

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they were passed.

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I can only imagine like the aftermath of all this

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and like knowing that like it could have been prevented.

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Yeah, I mean, can you imagine any other major city

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like if you have. I mean, we're talking about a

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five mile like area of city.

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That's just like and it's densely populated.

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And you can tell that in all of the pictures too,

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you can tell that. And I mean that was also

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a big part of why I wanted to talk about

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the market too, because it's always so passed.

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It is.

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I I was just saying that. I was like, it's

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so packed, but it's so big, Oh my god, and

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it's right there.

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Well.

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And then the date of this incident also coincides with

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a holiday Easter.

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It was it was Easter, Okay, it was fucking Easter, okay,

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So yeah, that would have been crowded. There's also like

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a big, big church around there too, the Cathedral of Galajaa,

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So only I can only imagine how crowded. Not to

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mention the historic downtown center is always crowded anyway.

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Oh, I just it just it. You just can't even

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like wrap your head around like somebody basically like thinking

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that anything else is more important than like making sure everybody.

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The safety of the people, like come.

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On, yes, yes, I'm like, oh, let me guess he

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probably doesn't live on Gante Street. Hmm, right right. There

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was another explosion less than five minute later on Gonzalez

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Gaio Avenue, and by ten fifteen the factory workers on

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that same avenue began evacuating the area. The fifth explosion

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was it Gonte Street and Calzata del Eercito. Oh yeah,

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just before ten thirty. Another neighboring area was also evacuated

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within five minutes. The sixth explosion occurs at the intersection

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of De Fabrero and Rio Bravo. The seventh explosion.

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Every remember, I'm like, oh my god.

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Yeah, honestly, it just again I cannot, like I don't

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even know how else to say it, but it's like

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you just can't believe that it just keeps.

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Going and they're all like pretty close in time too.

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They are.

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Yes.

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The seventh explosion is at Gonte Street and Silverio Garcia.

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Shortly after additional rescue personnel arrived to aid the victims

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in the affected areas, there was an eighth explosion at

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eleven oh two at Rio Neo Avenue and Rio Grande.

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Oh my god. This explosion would initiate evacuation efforts in

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several more neighboring areas.

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So after the eighth explosion, they finally are evacuating people.

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Yeah.

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Eight explosions. Yeah, basically, I think it's I think the

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very very first evacuation starts after the fifth explosion, right, okay,

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And I believe that was because it was in a

463
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super dense.

464
00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:45.079
This is the factory one, yes, one, yeah, okay, m hmm.

465
00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:47.839
Yeah, So I think that kind of explains it because

466
00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:52.519
I feel like a factory setting is even more dangerous. Yeah. Yeah,

467
00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:56.200
I mean there's not a good place to be an explosion. No,

468
00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:02.599
not really, god, okay, but there is an end in sight.

469
00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:08.519
The two final explosions occurred at eleven sixteen. That's right,

470
00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:11.559
in case you lost track two at the same time. Yeah,

471
00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:14.680
I mean they Yeah, basically it's possible that they were

472
00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:17.160
like maybe a minute apart, but I feeling with all

473
00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:20.039
of the chaos, it would be pretty hard to keep.

474
00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:22.440
Track, but either are seven and eight or eight and

475
00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:27.799
nine or nine and ten like I lost, yes, Oh my.

476
00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:34.119
God, yes, ten mother freaking explosions. Wow, I just like

477
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:36.039
it kind of takes your breath way a little bit.

478
00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:41.640
Even before the explosions concluded, people throughout the Guadalajara metro

479
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:46.039
area removed manholes in an attempt to allow any residual

480
00:29:46.119 --> 00:29:51.839
gases to escape. Additionally, several neighboring areas were notified to

481
00:29:51.839 --> 00:29:56.680
be aware and cautious. So there's multiple other neighborhoods that

482
00:29:57.880 --> 00:30:02.200
they hate. They hadn't had explode specifically in those neighborhoods

483
00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:05.559
or districts, but they were really concerned that it was

484
00:30:05.599 --> 00:30:09.359
still a possibility, right, So I mean that just makes

485
00:30:09.400 --> 00:30:12.640
it like an even more massive area even more all the.

486
00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:15.640
Chaos from yeah, wondering, oh my god, is it going

487
00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:16.559
to happen here too?

488
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:19.400
Exactly? I mean, can you imagine. I don't think I

489
00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:24.039
would be able to like function, like forget forget fallen

490
00:30:24.079 --> 00:30:28.400
asleep that night, you know, Yeah, I mean and this

491
00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:31.519
started in the morning, Yeah, but in our whole day.

492
00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:35.640
What time were the last explosions Just after eleven It

493
00:30:35.759 --> 00:30:39.000
was eleven sixteen am. Okay, So I mean you're talking

494
00:30:39.039 --> 00:30:42.279
about a little over an hour, ten different explosions, a

495
00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:46.359
little hour of hell. Oh my god. Yeah yeah, I

496
00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:48.960
mean it's gonna stay pretty hellish for a minute.

497
00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:53.160
Oh yeah, after finding like you know, the aftermath of everything,

498
00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:58.079
finding the people, the mess. Yeah, collapse buildings.

499
00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:02.839
Oh my god. There were so many collapsed buildings. And

500
00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:05.799
it's so crazy though, because you know, again like I

501
00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:10.400
haven't visited this part of Mexico specifically, but like seeing

502
00:31:10.480 --> 00:31:17.440
where obviously like the blast radius, like there's a defined area,

503
00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:21.119
like it's not just going to blow up everything everywhere, right.

504
00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:24.400
It's so strange to see where there's like buildings that

505
00:31:24.559 --> 00:31:30.160
were completely like leveled, and then like right next to

506
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:32.279
it is like a building that looks like it was

507
00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:36.440
totally fine. Insane. I just like the stress of like,

508
00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:39.440
oh my god, like hopefully you were, you know, able,

509
00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:42.880
you were in one of the buildings that didn't get

510
00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:47.160
leveled and you know, then were unharmed and like could

511
00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:53.799
just start helping people. Yeah, I mean, horrific, man. The

512
00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:58.759
investigation that followed the devastation revealed two contributing factors to

513
00:31:58.839 --> 00:32:03.119
the multiple explosions. Okay, so there's a little bit more science,

514
00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:06.279
but it's short. I'll sum it up for you right now.

515
00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:10.880
So some metals don't mix, just kind of like traditionally,

516
00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:14.319
and this isn't the best example because it doesn't feel

517
00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:18.200
equally serious. But when it comes to fashion, you might

518
00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:21.440
not mix certain patterns, Like you don't wear plaid and

519
00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:24.599
stripes just typically, do you?

520
00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:29.519
But but like don't do that, Yeah, probably don't.

521
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:34.160
But new zinc coated iron pipes were placed way too

522
00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:40.400
close to an existing steel gasoline pipeline, creating an electrolytic

523
00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:45.680
reaction similar to the interior of a zinc carbon battery.

524
00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:49.400
So these are the kind that we use in like

525
00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:53.519
TV remotes, smoke detectors, and a ton of other stuff. Oh,

526
00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:57.240
like the normal double A batteries basically, yeah, I mean

527
00:32:57.279 --> 00:33:02.160
they're they're in everything. I don't know. We just we

528
00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:08.680
interact passively with so many of the like different things

529
00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:13.319
that have this type of battery. And honestly, it's the

530
00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:16.720
fact that we're talking about what we view as such

531
00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:22.799
a an inert or innocuous thing in that regard that

532
00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:25.039
like makes it even more scary.

533
00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:30.680
Like, yeah, so what happens when these two meets or whatever,

534
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:32.839
Like what is a koreen here.

535
00:33:33.319 --> 00:33:37.240
So it's basically creating the same type of reaction that

536
00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:41.119
happens inside of a battery, and that is Listen, I

537
00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:44.039
told you what kind it was. Okay, Okay, Well I

538
00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:48.160
don't know, no, but I actually I do have. There's

539
00:33:48.279 --> 00:33:53.119
like it does explain like what it does. Oh, I'm

540
00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:55.359
not going to explain the inside of a battery, but

541
00:33:55.400 --> 00:33:58.200
I will explain like what it did here if that

542
00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:02.279
makes yes, okay, Oh, like I don't know how batteries were.

543
00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:07.599
The reaction corroded the steel pipe, resulting in a gasoline

544
00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:11.280
leak that permeated not just the ground but also the

545
00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:12.599
main sewer pipe.

546
00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:17.599
Oh, yes, okay, this is the cause.

547
00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:20.599
Of it all. Yes, Oh my god. Yeah.

548
00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:22.639
You would think they would know this would happen.

549
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:25.360
I don't know, right, I mean I would think that,

550
00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:30.840
you know, people who are in civil engineering should know, right,

551
00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:35.159
I mean you would think, oh my god, like who

552
00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:39.360
approved this? Honestly, it made me look at batteries a

553
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:42.719
little bit different. I was like, that's what it's doing, right,

554
00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:48.920
are the safe? The second factor was the recent rebuild

555
00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:52.480
on the sewer piping when the city wanted to expand

556
00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:56.440
its underground metro railway system. They were modified to a

557
00:34:56.639 --> 00:35:00.719
U shape. Usually, sewer systems are built with the slope

558
00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:04.440
to allow gravity to aid in moving waste through the system.

559
00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:08.440
For the U shape that they switched over to to work,

560
00:35:08.920 --> 00:35:12.199
an inverted siphon was placed so that fluids could be

561
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:16.320
pushed underneath by gravity. So we're kind of just using

562
00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:21.960
what we already have problem solved, right well. Inverted siphons

563
00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:28.440
require uniform fluid for proper operation when presented with liquids

564
00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:32.280
of different densities, as was the case in Guadalajara's system,

565
00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:36.199
And honestly, I would imagine this would be true of

566
00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:42.519
any any Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's not uniform liquid, right,

567
00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:47.320
it's yeah, because it's the sewers sewers. I don't think

568
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:50.800
I need to and I'm not going to explain that further. No,

569
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:53.760
I think we get it. I think we're good. Only

570
00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:57.920
the densist would pass through the siphon. What this means

571
00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:01.079
is that anything of a lesser density like air and

572
00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:05.599
water would pass freely, but leave the lighter density gasoline

573
00:36:05.719 --> 00:36:11.480
trapped and continuing to accumulate. Oh and I cannot stress

574
00:36:11.480 --> 00:36:17.239
this enough. This is bad. Yeah, No, we're not. Eventually

575
00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:21.599
the liquid gasoline that had accumulated would evaporate and the

576
00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:25.719
sewer system filled with the explosive vapors as they progressed.

577
00:36:26.079 --> 00:36:33.880
Because density, I feel like Bill Ni a little bit, Bill, Bill, Bill, Nah,

578
00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:37.440
this science guy. Oh, don't sue us.

579
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:39.480
No, you know the classroom was going to be lit

580
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:41.639
when they like brought in the TV and put the

581
00:36:41.679 --> 00:36:43.239
tape in and it was Bill, and you're like.

582
00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:52.639
Yesahh science. A full three days later, panic was at

583
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:57.039
risk of being reignited when multiple neighborhood residents were warned

584
00:36:57.480 --> 00:37:01.119
to avoid lighting any flames as this of gas became

585
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:06.480
increasingly pervasive. So this is like four different neighborhoods. Oh

586
00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:11.840
my god, So another massive like surface area that now

587
00:37:11.840 --> 00:37:15.559
all of a sudden they are like in danger. Yeah,

588
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:19.519
could we be next? Oh? And of course at this point,

589
00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:23.159
like it's three days later, everybody knows what's happened.

590
00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:27.159
Right, So what's awaiting if actually happens.

591
00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:33.599
Yeah.

592
00:37:33.679 --> 00:37:35.920
This was later confirmed to be a leek and a

593
00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:39.880
Pemex pipe. Keep in mind that prior to the explosions,

594
00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:44.280
people had been annoyed and had maybe raised some concerns,

595
00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:51.000
but there wasn't widespread alarm because La Nogulera was undergoing

596
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:57.159
their annual spring cleaning, which is a gasoline storage facility

597
00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:01.639
under the state owned monopoly Pemex. While we're on the

598
00:38:01.639 --> 00:38:05.400
topic of PEMS, the public believed that PEMES was to

599
00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:09.920
blame for the tragedy. So basically public opinion is like

600
00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:15.000
buck Pemes. Yeah, common uh feeling in Mexico. Oh yeah,

601
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:20.920
Honestly I can believe it, because after researching this, I'm like, Wow,

602
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:25.599
we obviously like we've experienced like in kind of a

603
00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:30.079
different like application, but like there have been issues with

604
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:33.800
you know, power lines or other like we have our

605
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:38.000
own issues with our infrastructure and like the utilities and

606
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:40.119
things like that. But I was like, damn, yeah, I

607
00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:42.880
think I would feel exactly the same way for sure.

608
00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:47.400
And I mean these were pem's own plumbing or whatever, right,

609
00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:49.960
gas or whatever lines, So yeah, of course they're going

610
00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:52.440
to be blamed. But also like somebody put those pipes in,

611
00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:55.880
Somebody should have came and checked to what was going

612
00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:59.920
on when people were complaining, like pemics and the government

613
00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:01.920
our affault probably is my guess.

614
00:39:02.199 --> 00:39:04.880
I mean the worst part is that like city workers

615
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:08.679
actually went and they inspected and they were finding dangerous

616
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:11.239
levels and they were told to dismiss it. I'm assuming

617
00:39:11.440 --> 00:39:13.760
and they basically and I mean it was reported on

618
00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:18.000
and like all of the local government was aware, but

619
00:39:18.159 --> 00:39:24.320
they just didn't do anything. Man, I mean, if sitting

620
00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:30.239
on your hands could be an official charge. As the

621
00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:33.639
theory goes, it was due in part to embezzlement of

622
00:39:33.679 --> 00:39:36.199
gasoline from the facility there.

623
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:40.440
It is, yeah, oh my god, not the price.

624
00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:42.880
I know. I was like, this is I feel like.

625
00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:45.960
I was waiting for something more corrupt than I'm like,

626
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:47.880
all right, this is already bad, but like when is

627
00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:48.719
the corruption going?

628
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:50.800
I know, I was like, this has to be. There's

629
00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:54.159
got to be like something that's more of a corruption angle,

630
00:39:54.280 --> 00:39:58.559
because like, otherwise how do we get here? It just right,

631
00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:02.199
like why, well, yeah, the in what behind it? Otherwise

632
00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:04.519
it's just it just doesn't feel like the math is

633
00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:06.119
mathing at the end.

634
00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:09.679
Capitalism, yeah, pretty much. It's like greed, Wow, it was.

635
00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:12.800
It was capitalism all along, I know, synonymous with greed

636
00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:16.679
to me basically, yeah, no, one thousand percent. It was

637
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:20.599
rumored that an inspection of the facility by the Attorney

638
00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:25.320
General's Office was eminent and the staff was fearful they

639
00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:29.519
could be caught with an oversupply of gasoline, rather than

640
00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:33.400
face any repercussions because obviously who would do.

641
00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:38.280
That, right, face accountability for what I've done? No, I

642
00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:39.320
don't think I don't think so.

643
00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:44.000
No, they opted to simply dump the excess down the drain.

644
00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:45.679
Oh my god.

645
00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:50.760
And they didn't think what could happen, what could go wrong?

646
00:40:51.079 --> 00:40:53.960
Right dumping all this guys, Oh my god, I just

647
00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:58.239
like into your sewer system, like what wow? Because I

648
00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:00.639
feel like to me, I was kind of like, okay,

649
00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:04.119
everything leading up to this it makes sense, how like

650
00:41:04.159 --> 00:41:05.199
the reaction.

651
00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:07.960
Like all right, we've got the pipes that shouldn't be

652
00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:10.440
next to each other, We've got like this gas leak

653
00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:12.280
thing going on that's building up.

654
00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:13.440
But like what was.

655
00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:16.880
The final like like the final push, like the final oof?

656
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:20.599
Like there it is? Yeah, yeah, I wonder how all

657
00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:21.719
this gas got here?

658
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:22.440
Right?

659
00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:28.639
Oh my god? Okay, I don't know if you've if

660
00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:31.719
you've ever seen this, but there it made me think

661
00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:36.079
of this TikTok that it's one of my favorites. It's

662
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:40.239
this guy just like basically he must just presumably he's

663
00:41:40.280 --> 00:41:44.800
outside on a walk or something, and it just quickly

664
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:50.039
develops into a jog and eventually he's like full ass sprinting,

665
00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:56.199
and the whole time he's singing. I don't want no consequence, consequence, consequence, consequent,

666
00:41:57.280 --> 00:42:00.719
but this is this, This is all of that, Yeah,

667
00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:06.000
consequences of my actions choice in me right now. I

668
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:08.280
don't even know if that's the right tune, but that's

669
00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:09.239
now it's.

670
00:42:09.159 --> 00:42:12.079
Not coming across as Wow, look at the stuff we're

671
00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:13.599
going to miss out when to Tuck is banned.

672
00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:18.440
I know. According to a report by the Jalisco State

673
00:42:18.679 --> 00:42:22.800
Human Rights Commission, there was a count of eleven hundred

674
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:26.840
and forty two homes affected. Oh my god, four hundred

675
00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:31.840
and fifty shops, one hundred schools. Wow, I know, schools.

676
00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:36.199
It's a lot of schools, insane in a five mile radius.

677
00:42:36.400 --> 00:42:39.800
Yes, sorry, why is there so many schools?

678
00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:43.039
I know, I have so many follow up questions based

679
00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:46.159
on the numbers and stuff. I can't help, But wonder

680
00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:48.960
if some of that is classified as schools, if it's

681
00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:52.599
like maybe like also like childcare facilities.

682
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:53.880
I was going to say that I think some of

683
00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:57.360
them are like actual childcare, so it's also not just schools.

684
00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:01.519
Yeah, six hundred vehicles. I mean, and like you said,

685
00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:04.840
it's it's five miles eight kilometers of just yeah.

686
00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:08.199
Also a wild because like so many people people use

687
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:13.280
the public transportation system and taxis like a ton. So

688
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:15.119
I'm like, I'm surprised that there's that many cars.

689
00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:17.800
Yeah. Well, and you know that's another one of those

690
00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:22.199
things where you know it says vehicles that could include

691
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:23.679
like buses and taxis.

692
00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:27.840
I don't know, oh true, not like personal yeah, vehicles.

693
00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:31.400
Yeah, I feel like we tend to think of like

694
00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:33.639
like if somebody just says a car, I think of

695
00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:34.840
like a personal vehicle.

696
00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:38.920
But like yeah, because we have no public transportation infrastructure

697
00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:42.360
in this country. So no, it's but in Laa it's fantastic,

698
00:43:43.039 --> 00:43:46.159
except the buses are crazy, like really and it's like

699
00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:50.079
it's like a roller coaster getting into the bus. Really

700
00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:52.840
you got to run in because they're gonna like.

701
00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:54.440
Run you all. They're busy.

702
00:43:54.760 --> 00:43:59.079
They'll literally hit other cars like you know to it's

703
00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:01.800
fun though, it's wild ride, I will say.

704
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:04.840
WHOA, I don't know if I have the stomach for that.

705
00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:07.719
They don't play no, and I don't have this the

706
00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:11.159
mix to drive and while that I had out at all.

707
00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:13.440
It's even crazier. So I'm like, I will take my

708
00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:15.800
chances with a bus or a taxi, but I'm not

709
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:16.519
ever driving.

710
00:44:17.239 --> 00:44:20.000
Yeah, that sounds crazy. It's wild.

711
00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:22.840
Also, you'll see like people on a like a motorcycle

712
00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:25.800
and it'll be like the dad driving, the mom in

713
00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:28.159
front holding a baby, and then like two kids hanging

714
00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:28.519
on the.

715
00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:31.039
Back, like stop it.

716
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:36.159
Yeah, nobody uses car seats, so yeah, oh my gosh,

717
00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:39.079
people still ride in the back of trucks. I feel like,

718
00:44:39.199 --> 00:44:42.320
and that's now, so I can only imagine back then, Like.

719
00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:46.159
Yeah, I feel like there's certain things like riding in

720
00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:48.639
the back of the truck. I feel like there's a

721
00:44:48.639 --> 00:44:52.719
lot of places you might sometimes see that, but.

722
00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:53.480
Like you're not going to see that driving down the

723
00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:56.199
freeway here, No, not usually, and you're not here.

724
00:44:56.360 --> 00:44:58.599
Sure's not going to see five people on like a

725
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:02.159
mopad or something. Yeah, but over there you will. It's wild.

726
00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:08.719
That's wild. The blast measured at seven and seven point

727
00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:12.480
one according to the University of Mexico's Richter scale.

728
00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:16.519
Wow, yeah, that's high. Oh my god.

729
00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:21.360
Yes, I mean it's not like the deathliest we've certainly seen,

730
00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:24.599
you know, I think there have been a couple of

731
00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:28.119
earthquakes in the last couple of decades that were like

732
00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:32.199
a nine on the Richter scale in parts of South America.

733
00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:35.079
But like, I don't it doesn't need to be any higher.

734
00:45:35.119 --> 00:45:41.159
Seven is like that's crazy. Yeah, So there were trenches

735
00:45:41.239 --> 00:45:43.880
up to twenty five feet deep that had been born

736
00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:49.320
into the streets. Wow. The colonies that suffered the most

737
00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:56.559
damage were the Almost Atlas Olympica and Nalco. At a

738
00:45:56.599 --> 00:46:00.800
government sports complex, bodies of some of the victims were

739
00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:06.320
laid out on a basketball court under white tarps, many

740
00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:11.840
of whom were older women, children. And I'm so sorry

741
00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:19.480
babies that I don't even really like babies personal.

742
00:46:19.639 --> 00:46:23.159
They're not for me, right, But I mean any life

743
00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:27.039
loss tragic, but like a newborn, a baby that hasn't

744
00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:30.039
gotten to live that long, and children always it's harder

745
00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:30.800
for sure.

746
00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:34.079
Yeah, it just feels like, you know, that's someone who

747
00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:39.039
cannot advocate for themselves, They can't protect themselves, right, It's

748
00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:44.679
so there's a reason they're part of the most vulnerable. Yeah. Absolutely.

749
00:46:46.599 --> 00:46:51.039
Total monetary damages were estimated between three hundred million and

750
00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:57.360
three billion, So wow, like that's a really wide window there.

751
00:46:57.440 --> 00:47:02.000
Millions are already a lot, and then three billion, whoa, yeah.

752
00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:07.679
Yeah, and that's in the fucking nineties. Yeah, keep that

753
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:11.519
in mind because like with inflation now, it's like, yeah, no,

754
00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:20.719
for sure, just mind blowing. So surely for this magnitude

755
00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:24.920
of devastation there must be not only an explanation but

756
00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:30.679
also consequences accountability. Yeah yeah, and you would be right,

757
00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:38.000
but there wasn't. Well, President Carlos Selinis di Gortiari gave

758
00:47:38.119 --> 00:47:41.199
investigators seventy two hours to find the cause of the

759
00:47:41.199 --> 00:47:48.159
blast and pledge to quote punish those found responsible. Big talk.

760
00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:55.000
The governor of the state of Jalisco, Guillermo Cozio Vidori,

761
00:47:55.480 --> 00:48:00.280
accompanied Selinas on his tour and said his government was

762
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:06.679
investigating possible negligence by three city officials for minimizing local

763
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:10.480
residents complaints about the gasmo emanating from the sewers. So

764
00:48:11.519 --> 00:48:14.559
this feels a little bit like a dog and pony show.

765
00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:18.239
It's kind of like they were the scapegoats. Well, I mean,

766
00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:21.239
it's like the president is visiting and then you know,

767
00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:26.159
you've got like the governor kind of shepherding him around. Well,

768
00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:26.639
they have to.

769
00:48:26.760 --> 00:48:29.360
This sounds like an extreme like worse because you know,

770
00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:33.519
when there's earthquakes, everyone comes flying in and like it's true. Yeah,

771
00:48:33.519 --> 00:48:36.280
but now this, I mean it's like almost to the

772
00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:38.760
level of like some of the most devastating earthquakes in

773
00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:42.480
Mexico to day, Yeah, same level of like casualties. So

774
00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:46.159
I'm not surprised by the governor and the president both

775
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:49.960
being there. I'm madrine, are those three the only responsible?

776
00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:53.000
I don't think so, because someone else dumped all that

777
00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:55.719
gas into the sewage system, Like, yeah, they probably did

778
00:48:55.719 --> 00:48:58.320
it more complaints. Well we know they did, right because

779
00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:00.440
people were calling it complaining and I think when done,

780
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:03.719
but like, they truly are not the only ones responsible

781
00:49:03.719 --> 00:49:04.199
for this.

782
00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:07.639
Well, and I think in this case, like truth be told,

783
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:12.960
these two are like they're out kind of serving the devastation,

784
00:49:13.159 --> 00:49:15.559
but I don't think that they're really the ones that

785
00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:20.599
are responsible. Like the president isn't responsible for like a

786
00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:25.480
local level emergency evacuation, I mean.

787
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:30.760
No, right, but him responding to the aftermath, I could

788
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:32.960
see why he's there, and it would be weird if

789
00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:33.800
he wasn't there.

790
00:49:34.199 --> 00:49:36.760
Oh, it totally would be. Yeah. And the only reason

791
00:49:36.760 --> 00:49:40.400
why I say like that it feels like a dog

792
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:43.800
and pony show is because I think it's the level

793
00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:48.559
of like almost like machismo where it's like, oh, we're

794
00:49:48.599 --> 00:49:52.599
going to punish them, and it's very like it feels

795
00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:54.360
very forceful, you.

796
00:49:54.320 --> 00:49:57.079
Know, oh yeah, yeah, but like someone needs to be

797
00:49:57.119 --> 00:50:00.280
blamed and like both I mean Mexico and the United

798
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:02.519
States and probably a lot of places are very like

799
00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:06.039
a pro punishment type place like send them, feed them

800
00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:07.840
to the dogs or whatever. People say, I don't know

801
00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:10.199
what I'm saying is right, so someone for of course,

802
00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:15.519
I of completely understand in the present like find who's responsible. Yeah,

803
00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:18.519
and all this is like being policized at the same time,

804
00:50:18.639 --> 00:50:21.480
like it's a very public like you know, him saying

805
00:50:21.559 --> 00:50:23.639
all this too, So yeah, I could see all that too.

806
00:50:24.159 --> 00:50:27.920
Yeah. I think a lot of people obviously were rightly

807
00:50:29.079 --> 00:50:32.159
very upset. I mean people are have lost loved ones,

808
00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:37.079
their homes. I mean just a devastating circumstance. So it's

809
00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:40.039
like it's not surprising, like of course he's gonna like

810
00:50:40.119 --> 00:50:41.599
try to take a strong stance.

811
00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:45.119
What else do you not to mention the like what's

812
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:50.639
it called projection of like it wasn't us although somebody

813
00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:54.760
failed to find effects and yeah, like oh we're gonna

814
00:50:54.760 --> 00:50:58.280
find it, but it's like Spider Man playing on himself, like, yeah,

815
00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:00.639
the government is part of the rest this, but they're

816
00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:02.800
gonna make a show out of like finding who else

817
00:51:02.920 --> 00:51:05.199
was responsible because they don't want to be the ones blamed.

818
00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:09.440
Yeah. April twenty seventh, both the mayor, who would subsequently

819
00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:12.920
resign from office and the Secretary for Urban and Rural

820
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:19.159
Development were detained on charges related to heeding the warning

821
00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:22.440
signs and failing to evacuate the area.

822
00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:25.679
Oh good, because they should be responsible. Yeah, okay, I

823
00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:26.519
totally agree.

824
00:51:26.599 --> 00:51:29.880
I feel like the Secretary for Urban and Rural Development,

825
00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:33.239
like that person seems like probably like one of the

826
00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:36.440
point people in terms of like yeah, and I was like,

827
00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:40.559
who who wasn't bezzling the gas? I mean that's Pemex

828
00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:45.239
people presumably, But were they arrested? Well, it's funny, you

829
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:50.519
should say. Additionally, there were four executives reportedly arrested, some

830
00:51:50.639 --> 00:51:56.400
with SIAPA essentially that's the local municipal water lords of

831
00:51:56.480 --> 00:52:01.960
your just in case you aren't familiar with international utilities,

832
00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:06.239
why would yeah, yeah, why would you be? And then

833
00:52:06.280 --> 00:52:11.440
there were also some from Pemex that were arrested. So good, Yeah,

834
00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:13.920
I have to say if no one is arrested for this?

835
00:52:14.079 --> 00:52:16.079
Oh no, I know, can you imagine?

836
00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:18.760
I mean, I couldn't picture it being like I'm like,

837
00:52:18.800 --> 00:52:20.360
I felt like it could go either way, like either

838
00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:21.840
people were arrested or people were not.

839
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:26.440
Like. Well, then three days later, the governor of hi

840
00:52:26.559 --> 00:52:31.119
Lusco took a leave of absence, leaving Guadalajara for Spain.

841
00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:37.039
He never returned to his role following the tragedy. Wow, Okay,

842
00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:40.079
he's like, I quit but first going on vacation.

843
00:52:40.599 --> 00:52:45.119
Wow, and never returned. He stayed in Spain.

844
00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:49.199
He may have since returned to Mexico, but okay, we

845
00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:52.320
gonna go back to Jalisco or no, and he never

846
00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:56.039
came back to his post like wow, And yeah okay,

847
00:52:56.159 --> 00:53:01.599
oh my god, pretty wild. Wow. Oh and remember how

848
00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:03.880
I said you would be right about there being both

849
00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:09.440
explanations and consequences for the tragedy. I did say that. Well,

850
00:53:09.599 --> 00:53:14.519
see it's not that I lied, per se. But you

851
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:18.039
may not feel very satisfied with the end result on

852
00:53:18.679 --> 00:53:23.000
honestly either front. To be honest, the Mexican government has

853
00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:25.519
refused to admit fault on their part.

854
00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:29.440
Okay, okay, not surprised, yea it is the Mexican government.

855
00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:32.199
Nobody it is a government. I was going to say.

856
00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:36.079
I was like, I mean, I would say, having covered

857
00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:39.000
so many stories in Mexico, like the Mexican government itself,

858
00:53:39.599 --> 00:53:41.920
but then you add in like it's just any government,

859
00:53:41.960 --> 00:53:42.559
it really is.

860
00:53:42.760 --> 00:53:44.440
Yeah, of course they're not going to take a kind

861
00:53:44.440 --> 00:53:45.920
of Yeah.

862
00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:50.119
What's more, there are forty three thousand page report following

863
00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:54.440
the explosions refused to place blame on any of the

864
00:53:54.559 --> 00:53:58.840
executives or government officials that were initially no.

865
00:53:58.920 --> 00:54:02.039
Who got paid, who got the coin to lie on

866
00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:03.880
this long ass report?

867
00:54:04.199 --> 00:54:07.800
Yep. Not surprised, so sadly not surprise. I know. I

868
00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:10.559
was like, oh god, she's just kind of like flipper lid.

869
00:54:11.039 --> 00:54:14.880
No I expect there's this. Yeah, man, you're.

870
00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:17.039
Like, actually this fits more in line with what my

871
00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:19.280
expectation was. I was more surprised.

872
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:22.760
Actually, this sounds about right. I'm surprised anyone was like

873
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:23.800
arrested at all.

874
00:54:24.320 --> 00:54:27.400
I kind of was too, and maybe like in the

875
00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:29.280
back of my mind that's sort of where I get

876
00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:32.280
like the Doc and Pony show thing, because it's like, right,

877
00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:35.920
it's like they they literally did that for show. Oh yeah,

878
00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:39.920
I feel I thought at minimum it was super douchey

879
00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:45.880
but realistically a major abusive power. Yeah, I feel like

880
00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:48.599
we were just talking about, like you know, every government

881
00:54:48.679 --> 00:54:51.719
has their thing, and I feel like, on the flip side,

882
00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:54.320
one thing that I really hate about the United States

883
00:54:54.360 --> 00:54:59.320
government that is super douchey and an abusive power is

884
00:54:59.559 --> 00:55:03.719
they won't tell us who really killed Kennedy. Right, they're

885
00:55:03.760 --> 00:55:07.719
basically the same thing, except casually multiplied by hundreds, if

886
00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:11.639
not thousands of times. One of these things is a

887
00:55:11.679 --> 00:55:14.039
little bit more serious. I think I really want to

888
00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:16.400
know who killed Kennedy, but like, he's just one dude.

889
00:55:16.440 --> 00:55:19.920
Do you listen to Truanon? It sounds they're a little silly,

890
00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:22.840
but also like you should listen to their Kennedy series.

891
00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:27.599
That's good. Pemmics would make a corporate donation equivalent to

892
00:55:27.679 --> 00:55:32.559
two million dollars USD. They should have given more money. Yeah,

893
00:55:32.599 --> 00:55:33.119
that's not a lot.

894
00:55:33.199 --> 00:55:35.280
I should have paid all the damages and more.

895
00:55:35.800 --> 00:55:38.800
Well, and here's the thing. That two million dollars was

896
00:55:38.840 --> 00:55:41.760
to be split between the family members who lost loved

897
00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:44.360
ones that day or those that were injured. So I

898
00:55:44.400 --> 00:55:47.679
mean we're talking about hundreds, if not thousands of people.

899
00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:52.199
Yeah, and when you start adding just note enough money. No, no,

900
00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:55.119
not to mention people need to like rebuild their homes.

901
00:55:55.360 --> 00:55:58.519
Right, No, Christina, I'm gonna be honest with you, Like

902
00:55:58.639 --> 00:56:01.440
I don't have a million dollars now, and I don't

903
00:56:01.480 --> 00:56:04.800
expect to anytime soon. But I will say this, if

904
00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:07.480
the two of us were involved in an explosion, I

905
00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:10.400
would certainly hope that our settlement would be more than

906
00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:15.079
two million dollars, right right, Like that's it's just that's

907
00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:15.639
not enough.

908
00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:19.280
No, no, for the number of people affected. No.

909
00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:22.360
No, And they did that basically to try to like

910
00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:24.639
get a little bit of like good will back.

911
00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:26.679
Yeah, like for a good publicity.

912
00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:32.199
Yeah. Honestly, it sounds like like, broadly speaking, the public

913
00:56:32.280 --> 00:56:33.159
really saw through that.

914
00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:37.199
Oh of course, and it's Pemex, Like people already hate pems.

915
00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:39.719
Yeah. I mean, like I said, I can only imagine

916
00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:43.320
they did this because of the immense backlash from the

917
00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:50.360
company because everyone something yes, exactly exactly, but get this, Pemex.

918
00:56:50.800 --> 00:56:53.960
One of the driving forces behind this was the fact

919
00:56:53.960 --> 00:56:57.360
that they were still reeling from a nineteen eighty four

920
00:56:57.639 --> 00:57:02.760
Mexico City propane explosion. Oh god, this is not their

921
00:57:02.800 --> 00:57:07.320
first rodeo with explosions. Wow, the explosion that killed four

922
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:12.679
hundred and fifty people and that one they were found

923
00:57:12.920 --> 00:57:16.480
responsible for. So they already had like their feet to

924
00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:16.960
the fire.

925
00:57:17.119 --> 00:57:20.280
Yeah, oh my god. H I'm not surprised, I know.

926
00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:23.440
I was just like, wow, that makes a lot of sense.

927
00:57:23.519 --> 00:57:26.760
Yeah, like, like, of course this happened already somewhere else.

928
00:57:26.840 --> 00:57:29.880
And it sounds like there were I mean, it's not

929
00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:34.559
maybe something that like it doesn't get reporting on like

930
00:57:34.679 --> 00:57:38.159
an explosion would, but it was very common to have

931
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:41.960
very frequent like gas leaks and things like that. So

932
00:57:41.960 --> 00:57:45.199
it's like people were aware that there were issues. So

933
00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:48.960
this last part that I'll leave you with was at

934
00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:53.599
first confusing, especially as I came across considerable discussion about

935
00:57:53.599 --> 00:58:00.920
how not evacuating had increased civilian casualties following the deadly

936
00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:04.920
events of April twenty second. Just over a week later,

937
00:58:05.239 --> 00:58:10.400
protesters gathered outside the governor's palace in Guadalajara as another

938
00:58:10.519 --> 00:58:13.960
gas leak threatened the homes and the very lives of

939
00:58:14.079 --> 00:58:19.159
many more. After residents of the Alamo District south of

940
00:58:19.239 --> 00:58:26.000
Reforma said they smelled fumes, Guadalajara mayor ordered the evacuation

941
00:58:26.440 --> 00:58:30.719
of several square blocks. The area is surrounded by about

942
00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:37.639
forty factories. That's a lot, including a plant operated by

943
00:58:38.039 --> 00:58:42.320
Petrolios Mexicanos known as Pemex.

944
00:58:42.440 --> 00:58:42.639
Yeah.

945
00:58:43.960 --> 00:58:47.280
Oh my god. So there was a couple of times

946
00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:51.599
in the story where I mentioned that they refused to evacuate.

947
00:58:51.679 --> 00:58:55.239
Refused to evacuate. Basically, it was, you know, from the

948
00:58:55.320 --> 00:58:58.840
time of I think the fifth explosion, where all of

949
00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:04.960
a sudden the tune is changing. And ironically the reason

950
00:59:05.079 --> 00:59:11.039
why is that they finally got close to those big

951
00:59:11.119 --> 00:59:13.280
government and corporate interests.

952
00:59:13.360 --> 00:59:17.000
That's when it mattered. Yeah, five explosions, then when it

953
00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:17.719
affected them.

954
00:59:18.320 --> 00:59:21.039
Yeah, it took me a while to work that out

955
00:59:21.239 --> 00:59:24.159
because so much of what I was reading was just like,

956
00:59:24.199 --> 00:59:26.960
they didn't evacuate, they didn't evacuate. And then I started

957
00:59:26.960 --> 00:59:29.320
seeing stuff about like, well, wait, what's this about they

958
00:59:29.840 --> 00:59:34.119
in the factory district after the fifth explosion, and I'm like, ah,

959
00:59:34.559 --> 00:59:40.840
these dirty birdies, these motherfuckers. Yeah, I just had a

960
00:59:40.840 --> 00:59:42.920
branch hit my window and You're like, oh my god,

961
00:59:42.920 --> 00:59:49.920
what was that. Yeah, so that is the Guadalajara explosions.

962
00:59:50.000 --> 00:59:53.559
You know, I love a good corruption story. On a

963
00:59:54.480 --> 01:00:00.119
Tuesday afternoon. So thank you, I know, really cheerful. A

964
01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:03.000
good way to you know, leading up to the Christmas.

965
01:00:02.559 --> 01:00:08.199
Holidays, just what we need. Yeah, yeah, very cheerful. Do

966
01:00:08.280 --> 01:00:10.119
you want to stick around for taro? Do you want

967
01:00:10.119 --> 01:00:13.920
to do the taro reading with me? Sure? I don't

968
01:00:14.039 --> 01:00:15.800
use these ones in a while, so they needed a

969
01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:22.079
good ship. Okay, I've got Tom spread out any thoughts intuition,

970
01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:27.400
I have no intuition. I guess there it is. Oh

971
01:00:28.159 --> 01:00:31.519
what is that the night of so? What does it mean?

972
01:00:32.239 --> 01:00:41.760
All right? Our keywords for the Night of Swords are daring, chivalry, forthrightness, impatience,

973
01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:53.480
single mindedness, and insensitivity. Am I those things? No? No,

974
01:00:53.599 --> 01:00:56.159
we always we always try to see if there's like

975
01:00:56.199 --> 01:00:59.800
any parallels at all to like the case itself. Some

976
01:01:00.159 --> 01:01:04.639
times we do make it about us. That makes more sense. Yeah, okay,

977
01:01:05.800 --> 01:01:08.239
I mean there's no hard and fast rules around here.

978
01:01:08.679 --> 01:01:10.199
You know you've hung out with us enough?

979
01:01:10.840 --> 01:01:11.079
Yes.

980
01:01:11.199 --> 01:01:17.280
Yes. Knights often symbolize messages or travel. Some decks, including

981
01:01:17.320 --> 01:01:21.039
the writer Waite Smith Tarot show This night rushing help

982
01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:26.639
bent toward an adversary or adventure. If he represents a person,

983
01:01:26.679 --> 01:01:29.960
you know, he may be someone who's overly aggressive or

984
01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:36.239
argumentative who lives in attack mode. Or he might be

985
01:01:36.320 --> 01:01:40.480
a spiritual warrior, one who uses his intellect to examine

986
01:01:40.559 --> 01:01:46.199
and purify himself. The upright Night may suggest you're passionate

987
01:01:46.239 --> 01:01:49.840
about your ideas and believe wholeheartedly in the rightness of

988
01:01:49.960 --> 01:01:54.559
your objective. If this card represents an actual person, he's

989
01:01:54.639 --> 01:01:59.760
probably a young man who expresses his ideas enthusiastically and

990
01:01:59.800 --> 01:02:04.039
may have trouble understanding other viewpoints. He has a quick

991
01:02:04.119 --> 01:02:10.000
mind and keen intellect, but may lack true wisdom. Sometimes

992
01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:16.400
this night symbolizes an urgent message or an unexpected trip. Oh,

993
01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:17.400
like to Spain.

994
01:02:18.920 --> 01:02:21.880
Like the guy who left the Spain right, Yeah, and

995
01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:23.280
never returned to his job.

996
01:02:23.800 --> 01:02:27.400
I feel like this. I mean, I'm sure there's more

997
01:02:27.480 --> 01:02:30.480
parallels that you could draw that I feel like. I'm like,

998
01:02:30.519 --> 01:02:35.960
that's all I needed here, That's what I needed. Yeah, yeah, Okay.

999
01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:38.280
In a reading about money, you may need to act

1000
01:02:38.360 --> 01:02:42.079
quickly in a financial matter, but don't neglect to study

1001
01:02:42.119 --> 01:02:49.880
the situation before making a decision too late. Yeah. The

1002
01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:53.960
upright Night may point to a trip for financial reasons

1003
01:02:54.280 --> 01:02:58.679
or a message about money. Sometimes he heralds a change

1004
01:02:58.719 --> 01:03:02.079
in your resources. If the reading is about your job,

1005
01:03:02.239 --> 01:03:05.920
this card can represent a business trip. Sometimes it means

1006
01:03:05.960 --> 01:03:10.440
a job change or a shift in work related responsibilities.

1007
01:03:09.440 --> 01:03:12.199
Say like abandoning your work related responsibilities.

1008
01:03:12.280 --> 01:03:17.039
Yeah that's yeah. Wow. The night may also caution you

1009
01:03:17.079 --> 01:03:20.760
to hold your tongue and bide your time. Diplomacy is important, though,

1010
01:03:21.559 --> 01:03:25.880
Well okay, okay, well I don't know that. I feel

1011
01:03:25.880 --> 01:03:29.320
like the love connection bullet point makes a lot of

1012
01:03:29.360 --> 01:03:33.679
sense for this case, but I feel like the rest

1013
01:03:33.719 --> 01:03:39.280
of that felt like some of us for sure affable. Yeah. Yeah,

1014
01:03:39.400 --> 01:03:42.360
I mean the whole thing with like the Taro reading anyway,

1015
01:03:42.519 --> 01:03:44.960
is just that it's like, you know, what do we see?

1016
01:03:45.199 --> 01:03:48.119
It's like kind of it's almost like you know, paint

1017
01:03:48.119 --> 01:03:51.480
by numbers, like you know what parallels we can draw?

1018
01:03:51.599 --> 01:03:56.119
And yeah, yeah, this is so much fun. Yes, thanks

1019
01:03:56.159 --> 01:03:59.440
for having me and telling me about this terrible disaster.

1020
01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:02.519
I know, I'm like, oh man, I didn't really think

1021
01:04:02.559 --> 01:04:06.199
about it, but in hindsight, I'm like, sorry, this is

1022
01:04:06.599 --> 01:04:09.840
something happier. I know, it's like a horrible thing that

1023
01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:11.079
happened in a place.

1024
01:04:10.800 --> 01:04:13.400
That you love, but honestly, I love talking about horrible

1025
01:04:13.440 --> 01:04:14.599
things that happened at place I love.

1026
01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:19.119
I mean clearly me too. That's like kind of our

1027
01:04:19.159 --> 01:04:22.719
whole brand. So right, yeah, but when I saw that

1028
01:04:22.840 --> 01:04:28.559
you had multiple, multiple episodes about like Guadalajara, like hauntings

1029
01:04:28.599 --> 01:04:30.920
and things, I was like, she can handle it. I

1030
01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:35.400
can and I did. She can handle it. I know.

1031
01:04:35.440 --> 01:04:37.639
I started listening through because I was like, oh damn,

1032
01:04:37.679 --> 01:04:41.400
she's got I think. I was like in Spooky Tales,

1033
01:04:41.440 --> 01:04:44.480
I was like, I think there's like three just for.

1034
01:04:44.679 --> 01:04:49.119
Yeah, there's in that Charlone yeah alone. Yeah, it's just

1035
01:04:49.159 --> 01:04:53.000
a very haunting place. Beautiful but haunting. So many stories.

1036
01:04:53.039 --> 01:04:56.719
I'm surprised there's not I haven't found one connected to

1037
01:04:56.800 --> 01:04:59.639
this disaster, and that's surprising.

1038
01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:03.320
Yeah to me. I mean it's in our lifetime. Yeah,

1039
01:05:03.400 --> 01:05:06.480
it's not like it happened yesterday, but I would not

1040
01:05:06.559 --> 01:05:07.519
be surprised.

1041
01:05:07.159 --> 01:05:10.440
A few months before in my lifetime. So what, I

1042
01:05:10.480 --> 01:05:12.679
was born in August ninety two. This happened in April

1043
01:05:12.760 --> 01:05:13.199
ninety two.

1044
01:05:13.280 --> 01:05:17.000
Right, Oh my god, I forgot. You're a fetus, a baby.

1045
01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:20.679
I'm just a baby, thirty two year old baby. Oh

1046
01:05:20.719 --> 01:05:27.360
my god, Christina, Yes, oh my god. I was born

1047
01:05:27.400 --> 01:05:32.360
in the eighties, so yeah, so you're old, Yes, I'm very,

1048
01:05:32.800 --> 01:05:35.239
very very old to the young ones.

1049
01:05:35.280 --> 01:05:38.719
I'm old too, so it's okay, we're like elders.

1050
01:05:38.719 --> 01:05:42.320
No, I know, and I could do without that. I

1051
01:05:42.360 --> 01:05:47.440
don't really need that. I feel old enough when I

1052
01:05:47.440 --> 01:05:49.079
wake up every morning and have back.

1053
01:05:48.960 --> 01:05:52.360
Oh my god, you get me started on back pain.

1054
01:05:53.199 --> 01:05:56.360
So Christina, obviously we need you to plug all of

1055
01:05:56.400 --> 01:05:59.960
the things, about all of your things, your projects. Yes,

1056
01:06:00.599 --> 01:06:02.599
two shows now or do you have a show, a

1057
01:06:02.639 --> 01:06:06.519
secret show that even I don't know about? Two two?

1058
01:06:06.719 --> 01:06:08.719
I was like, if you start a third podcast? Oh?

1059
01:06:08.760 --> 01:06:09.960
I tried, and then I was like, no, this is

1060
01:06:09.960 --> 01:06:11.719
too much. I can't keep up with it.

1061
01:06:11.719 --> 01:06:14.000
It was it's a lot of work, too much, too

1062
01:06:14.079 --> 01:06:14.559
much work.

1063
01:06:14.639 --> 01:06:19.519
Yeah, well, if you like haunted places, myths, legends, true crime,

1064
01:06:19.679 --> 01:06:22.400
then check out Spooky Tales. I coasted with my twin.

1065
01:06:22.960 --> 01:06:25.199
We talk about all those things, but with a focus

1066
01:06:25.239 --> 01:06:27.239
on Latin America. So it's a lot of stuff that

1067
01:06:27.280 --> 01:06:29.920
maybe you haven't heard about if you're listening to things

1068
01:06:30.280 --> 01:06:33.320
in English that happened and I don't know the United States,

1069
01:06:33.400 --> 01:06:34.760
So yeah, that's a lot of fun.

1070
01:06:35.800 --> 01:06:37.360
Who even cares about that place?

1071
01:06:37.519 --> 01:06:37.800
Lame?

1072
01:06:38.719 --> 01:06:39.000
Uh?

1073
01:06:39.039 --> 01:06:42.480
And then my other podcast is called Estorias Unknown that's

1074
01:06:43.360 --> 01:06:46.760
history in Spanish Eastorias, and then Unknown it's an English

1075
01:06:46.920 --> 01:06:50.280
The podcast just the name is half the Spanish, and

1076
01:06:50.320 --> 01:06:54.800
we talk about Latin American history or history to Latinos

1077
01:06:54.880 --> 01:06:57.760
Latinus in the US, and it's like things like, oh

1078
01:06:57.800 --> 01:06:59.480
my god, why I didn't I learn that in school.

1079
01:06:59.559 --> 01:07:01.920
So if that's sounds like something interesting to you, then yeah,

1080
01:07:02.039 --> 01:07:05.360
check that one out. I also coasted with my twin.

1081
01:07:05.840 --> 01:07:06.840
And I love it.

1082
01:07:07.559 --> 01:07:11.400
What else if you like more serious not people telling

1083
01:07:11.400 --> 01:07:14.320
each other a story. I do produce and write episodes

1084
01:07:14.360 --> 01:07:15.400
for Horror Story.

1085
01:07:17.039 --> 01:07:19.559
You do, okay, So I knew you were holding out.

1086
01:07:19.639 --> 01:07:20.199
Oh it's excited.

1087
01:07:20.280 --> 01:07:24.320
I do work for Scary FIM for Edwin Yeah yeah,

1088
01:07:25.039 --> 01:07:28.280
and then True Scary Story. I edit, like story edit

1089
01:07:28.320 --> 01:07:30.400
on that one. So that's other work that I do,

1090
01:07:31.400 --> 01:07:33.599
honestly work that I do with too much to name.

1091
01:07:33.719 --> 01:07:37.440
So seriously, well, I knew about Scary Story, I didn't

1092
01:07:37.480 --> 01:07:42.079
know about Horror Story. Yes, yeah, yeah, that's exciting. Yeah,

1093
01:07:42.079 --> 01:07:44.239
you can tell when I took over because the quality

1094
01:07:44.360 --> 01:07:49.199
just you know, shut up through the roof, through the roof. Yes,

1095
01:07:50.000 --> 01:07:52.280
I haven't listened to the news show yet, so I

1096
01:07:52.280 --> 01:07:54.079
have to do that. I love history.

1097
01:07:54.400 --> 01:07:57.679
Oh yeah, it's I mean, it's a lot of depressant stories,

1098
01:07:57.719 --> 01:07:59.559
and like, I don't know, some people like to hear

1099
01:07:59.679 --> 01:08:03.760
very incited version of history where they're like, oh, this

1100
01:08:03.920 --> 01:08:05.840
is very biased and you're wrong, and I was like,

1101
01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:07.840
I'm sorry, I'm telling something that happened, and if you

1102
01:08:07.880 --> 01:08:10.679
don't like what happened doesn't mean that it's biased, you know.

1103
01:08:11.159 --> 01:08:12.800
And it's a lot like oh my god, I can't

1104
01:08:12.800 --> 01:08:14.960
believe the United States they're this. So yeah, I can

1105
01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:17.640
come off as like, oh, this is like you just

1106
01:08:17.680 --> 01:08:20.800
hate America first of all. Yes, but I mean, yeah.

1107
01:08:20.560 --> 01:08:25.479
We kind of sucked, Like yeah, internationally, we've had some

1108
01:08:25.520 --> 01:08:27.000
pretty bad good.

1109
01:08:26.920 --> 01:08:30.119
Look, yeah, but yeah, it's like that's fair. You know,

1110
01:08:30.239 --> 01:08:35.880
the Salvadoran Civil War, the Guatemalan Civil War, the international

1111
01:08:35.960 --> 01:08:40.439
adoption in Chile and Guatemala, which has both both been

1112
01:08:40.520 --> 01:08:44.880
super corrupt. So episodes like that, the bathriots happened in

1113
01:08:44.920 --> 01:08:49.199
Opaso in nineteen seventeen. So yeah, just things that you're like, Wow,

1114
01:08:49.239 --> 01:08:50.119
why didn't learn about this?

1115
01:08:50.680 --> 01:08:54.560
Thank you so much for coming on with us and

1116
01:08:55.239 --> 01:08:58.800
doing the story with me. Thanks for inviting me. I

1117
01:08:58.920 --> 01:09:02.000
have a crapy Yeah, say oh, I think that was

1118
01:09:02.000 --> 01:09:04.880
pretty good. That would get to me. I don't know

1119
01:09:05.560 --> 01:09:08.159
it did it did. As soon as we finished it,

1120
01:09:08.560 --> 01:09:11.560
you started glitching out and you had robot voice. Oh no,

1121
01:09:12.279 --> 01:09:13.319
that was so funny.

1122
01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:24.319
Oh Man. As Book Tells is hosted by Christina and Carmen,

1123
01:09:24.479 --> 01:09:28.119
produced and edited by Christina, researched by Christina Carmen, and

1124
01:09:28.359 --> 01:09:30.680
with the help of Don shout out with Don. If

1125
01:09:30.720 --> 01:09:32.800
you aren't enjoying the podcast considerably, going to say five

1126
01:09:32.840 --> 01:09:35.039
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1127
01:09:35.039 --> 01:09:36.760
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1128
01:09:36.800 --> 01:09:38.840
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1129
01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:41.199
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1130
01:09:41.439 --> 01:09:43.399
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1131
01:09:43.439 --> 01:09:46.039
go to our website at bookitos dot com and fill

1132
01:09:46.119 --> 01:09:48.720
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1133
01:09:48.840 --> 01:09:52.239
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1134
01:09:52.439 --> 01:09:56.119
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1135
01:09:56.239 --> 01:09:58.520
It's super cool. I got new ones and these ones

1136
01:09:58.520 --> 01:10:01.000
are huge. And if you you want to support but

1137
01:10:01.119 --> 01:10:03.119
you can or don't want to join the patreon, that's

1138
01:10:03.159 --> 01:10:06.119
fine too. You can also get some merch you can

1139
01:10:06.279 --> 01:10:09.439
find shurets to say a spooky and old English letters.

1140
01:10:09.600 --> 01:10:11.239
There's a beanie. I love the beanie.

1141
01:10:11.399 --> 01:10:15.680
There's also a hat. There's a no Mamus shirt, which

1142
01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:19.439
is a fan favorite. There's a lot of options, crap tops, sweaters,

1143
01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:23.159
it's almost swetter weather. We're nearing a spookie season, so yeah,

1144
01:10:23.319 --> 01:10:25.319
get your hoodies. You're gonna need them. If you don't

1145
01:10:25.319 --> 01:10:27.239
want to do all that, that's fine too. You can

1146
01:10:27.399 --> 01:10:29.800
just listen like you're listening now, and that's the best

1147
01:10:29.840 --> 01:10:31.640
support that you can give us. Like I always say

1148
01:10:31.760 --> 01:10:34.359
in our ad break and yeah, if you like history,

1149
01:10:34.399 --> 01:10:39.119
you can follow Estoia's Unknown Mining, Carmen's other podcasts, and

1150
01:10:39.600 --> 01:10:41.319
you can find as Spooky tails on all of our

1151
01:10:41.399 --> 01:10:44.680
socials at Spooky Tells All. This is in the show

1152
01:10:44.760 --> 01:10:47.680
notes and we appreciate every single listen.

1153
01:10:47.840 --> 01:10:49.800
Thank you so much. Stay as Spooky