Encounters With La Llorona

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Hey, creepy people. This is
PNW Hans and Homicides. I'm Caitlin and

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I'm Cassie. Together we explore stories
of the paranormal and true crime throughout the

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Pacific Northwest. For each episode,
we do a Tarot reading to help us

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gain some insight on the topic as
we share the facts of the case and

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to listen. Have you creepy?
Yesday? Hi everyone. This is Christina

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and this is MJ. And this
is another episode of A Spooky Tale's a

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podcast for all things as spooky.
And we're dying today. We're tired.

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I haven't had enough coffee. I
haven't I've had zero coffee. How are

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you alive? Oh? Yummy?
Yum me? Okay, yeah. So

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it's like it was like, am
I gonna have coffee? Am I gonna

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have a Chumplera? And I was
like, tumple, I'll be tired,

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but it's fine. It's where it's
it delicious. I haven't had any today.

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We are doing your ownA stories.
I changed mine last time. Okay,

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okay, I guess yeah, yeah, I originally was going to do

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this long like our phone call that
I found that it was like this creepy

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ass phone call from someone to like
a radio station that was not surprisingly not

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that man. But then I couldn't
understand her half the time because I sped

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it up to like one point seventy
five speed. But then she was I

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guess she was already talking fast.
She's like a fast talker, so when

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I sped it up that much,
then I could not understand her. But

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then when I went back to the
host, they talked too slow for me

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at the normal speed. So I
don't want to keep switching back and forth.

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Oh so that's why I didn't do
those notes. Yeah, yeah,

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I don't know. I can't.
Some people just talked, including myself.

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Some people just talked too slow for
me. But you know what's funny.

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I came across this TikTok the other
day that was like this weird ass gen

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z and this is like such a
I feel like only white gen Z and

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millennials do this. But you know, when they started like making TikTok of

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it is about each other. Yeah, and they're both like so cringey because

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like nobody does any of that.
But there was one of like this gen

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Z girl and you know how they
all shake the camera when they're talking,

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and then they all have the same
like speech patterns, and then they all

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like touch the top of their bangs
when they're about to say something dramatic,

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and so she was like, I
can't replicate that speech pattern. I don't

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know how to do it. But
it's just like obnoxious and fast. It's

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so fast. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa,

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Like calm down, and that's the
thing to them. It's like it's fast,

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but it's annoying fast. It's not
like like I speed up all my

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podcasts and audiobooks to like one point
five or one point seven five speed,

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and that's still fine to me.
But whenever I saw that TikTok video,

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I was like, my god,
please, why are you recording yourself?

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It's so fat? And my problem
with that is like there they always call

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it the millennial pause, which we
do and I understand, like we pot

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but it's like, dude, like
half of the videos from gen Z I

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have to go back over and over
again because the first part gets cut off.

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Yeah, well you know, and
not even all of like not all

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of them, no, but like
the majority of them do. There's some

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outliers. But she looked like she
was dressed from hot topic, like you

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got that style from us, ma'am. Yeah, she was in like a

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millennial cosplay herself. And then I
was like, we walked so you could

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run. Yeah, but also it's
like they're trying to perform. I don't

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know, it was strange that just
made it could be it could be a

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lot of things, but yeah,
I've noticed that with them. I'm like,

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you guys can like relax, this
is this is on the internet forever.

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Slow down, You're fine, You're
fine. Whatever message you're gonna get

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out, it's fine. People are
gonna listen. Relax, this is that

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drama class. You can like say
it and people are gonna watch anyway.

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Yeah, exactly, that's what.
And then like I I I do have

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like a slower speech pattern, but
I'm like, I'm not gonna rush my

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speech or like rush to interject what
I have to say, yeah, and

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then yeah, and then like with
with us, I'm like Halfway'm like what

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does she say? Like she lost
may train of thought. Man, I'm

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looking at this bright pattern on my
wall now things. Yes, but yeah,

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I don't know how that started my
bad anyway. Listener story, Yes,

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There's a lot of options. So
yeah, here is this listener story.

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And again my brain is just fried. I'm so tired, I'm so tired

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of life. Okay, so I'm
just kidding sort of anyway, same,

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Okay, start crying right now.
Would not recommend. So here's this listener

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story. I wanted to start off
by saying I absolutely love your podcast and

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love the random side quests. I
wanted to share a story about brucheia or

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so my experience with it. A
next friend, let's call her Maria.

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Interesting name choice. Mm hmmm,
that's all my das first names. My

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grandma didn't name any of her kids
Madia, amazingly like like she has.

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We had like eight kids, right, Like three of them were girls and

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the w restaurant boys. But none
of the three got a wow, And

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I was like, yeah, that's
unheard of. This needs to be researched

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by science, like how did this
happen? Yeah, so, yeah,

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that's interesting. Now none of your
No, that's like weird. They're gonna

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get shunned by the community now,
just kidding. Yeah, actually I'm gonna

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shun you right now. I'm not. No, I feel like that's a

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name that's not used anymore, like
young kids now, I don't think there's

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any medias. Like when we were
there was still a ton of Marias.

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Yeah, yeah, you're right,
and there was even like a lot of

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Mary's. I had a few Mary's. I don't think I knew any Marys,

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just medias. I think I have
said though, that I didn't meet

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a white kid my own age until
we moved to Medestine to Downey. So

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yeah, because we went Yeah,
we were in Oakland and yeah, just

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didn't exist. Okay, sorry,
we did it again. That's uh.

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You know, what did we say? This episode was going to be a

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me in the beginning? Like yes, like listen, I have like sleep

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deprived. Christina is sleep deprived.
The world's going to shit. Yeah,

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yeah, everything everything, And I'm
sure lady our previous guest is listening.

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So I'm just gonna let her know
I did not take my meds. Okay.

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So, and I'm raw dogging reality
every day. I can't. Oh

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my god, almost spit out my
coffee. All right, So I'm gonna

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start over at Let's call her Maria. Okay, an ex friend. Let's

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call her Maria. She was a
high school friend at this point. She

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was living with her boyfriend and his
family. At some point they broke up

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and she had nowhere else to go, so I let her stay with me

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and my husband while she got on
her feet. At the moment, I

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was, oh, I see they're
not at high school at the time,

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but she was a friend from high
school. That makes more sense to me.

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Okay, that's better. Yeah,
yeah, I was thinking they were

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in high school and this was taking
place, So I'm like, I'm sorry

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about husband. She wasn't with her
boyfriend? What is happening? What did

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you guys go to? That's funny, all right. So at the moment,

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I was working at a fast food
restaurant and got her a job there

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and even the same shift since she
didn't have a car. Anyways, fast

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forward a few weeks. The days
that she didn't work since she was part

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time, she would just stay in
her room. I had made dinner for

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my husband, left it in the
microwave for when he got home from work.

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Well, this time, my husband
was so fed up he called me

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at work angry, yelling at me, telling me why I didn't make him

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dinner, especially if I was home
all morning and afternoon. That Maria isn't

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my wife? That you are?
I guess she was making dinner for him.

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As he was getting home. I
was like, what the fuck?

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I made dinner and I had left
it in the microwave. I found out

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Maria was throwing the food away and
making him dinner her. Oh no,

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who she is the assholes? Yes? Yes, that, oh no,

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Well I would be throwing hands like
straight up like she would have been in

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the streets. Do you care what
good of friends we were like, we

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about to throw hands. This is
wild. Yeah, let me continue.

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There was no logical reason for her
to be doing that. I let it

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go and told her if it continued, I will kick her out better than

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me because she would have been out. Yeah, she would have been out,

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Like, you don't get to disrespect
me. Wild. Fast forward like

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another month or so, my husband
asked his friend to stop by and check

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on the house since we were going
to be gone all weekend. Maria I

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was going to be home, but
just to make sure. We just wanted

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him to pass by and check.
He ended up staying there and him and

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him and Maria ended up hooking up
and actually getting together. Well, he

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also moved in. Oh no,
what the fuck? Well, we figured,

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okay, having someone live with us
to pay the rent would help us

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out a bit. This was the
first time we would be living with another

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couple. Let's just say things got
worse from there. Yeah. I think

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we could have seen that. Yeah. Yeah, we told him it wasn't

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working out and that they had to
move out. However, with the moving

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now, my husband and I were
still constantly fighting until I decided to go

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with this lady who is religious and
has said God gave her the gift to

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help people. In other words,
she was a kurandera type of person.

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Well, she read me the cards
and told me someone was jealous of me

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and was negatively impacting my marriage.
Uh yeah, fucking Maria. By the

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time we had gotten to see her, we had sold our house and we

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were living with my in laws.
She had met a candle with herbs and

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stuff, and she just said,
just stick it in the corner of your

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room or behind the door. I
was skeptical, but I was like,

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okay. Well, randomly, one
day I was taking a nap in the

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room and my husband was calling me
to come and eat since I wasn't coming

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out. He said, babe,
coming eat. As he opened the door,

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I sat out from the bed and
said, she's not here. Oh

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and I had bright red hair and
I laid back down. I have no

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memory of this, and he doesn't
believe in the paranormal. So I freaked

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him out and he left and closed
the door like that shit By honey,

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you're on your own. Can you
imagine that calling someone They're like, she's

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not here. Oh no, I'll
be like wait, I just like walk

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down, pretend I didn't see shit
like, just turn around. Nope,

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nope, noping the hell out of
that room. Oh man, I have

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no memory of this. And he
thought I was messing with him at first,

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but then he realized that my hair
color wasn't red. It was my

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natural color, dark brown, and
I'm not the type to dyet bright colors.

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After a few weeks, I went
back and took the candle with me.

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She removed the top layer and it
was completely black on the inside.

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Ew, this candle was white.
I even took some of it out just

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because I was curious. My eyes
widened, and she said, no,

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I have to bury this and cleanse
you. But that someone or something was

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attached to me and trying to separate
my husband and I. Someone was that

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jealous of my marriage and relationship.
Needless to say, after Maria and her

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man moved out, I never got
in contact with them again. I wouldn't

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be surprised if Maria there's some brucheria
to my husband's ex friend because they got

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married within a month of meeting each
other. Oh stop it, Oh my

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god, no bad decisions right there. Mm hmm. She tried to reach

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out, but I blocked her and
had no interest in having her in my

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life just some shit I don't fuck
with. Needless to say, after a

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few encounters with the paranormal and this, I made sure to close my third

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as I was very sensitive to this. I attracted a lot of negativity.

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Negativity. M what did I even
say? Oh my god, I attracted

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a lot of negativity and it was
taking a toll on me. It runs

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to my family. My Tiaena always
staid to use it for good, but

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all of my experiences have been bad. I hope you guys enjoyed my story

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with this drama and Bruchhetia all at
once. Love you guys. That was

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crazy. Yeah, stay away from
Maria. Yes, that's yeah, she

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was doing something. Yeah, one
thousand percent. Her behavior is so weird.

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This is not one of the good
Marias MM. I think the lesson

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here is that Marias can't be trusted
except my mom and all my dias that

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I'll have. The name Maria is
the first name that's funny anyway. Yeah,

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yes, I have a couple Urina
stories. Should I do one and

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then you do the other, and
then I finished with mine. I feel

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like mine is just it's a whole
connect like it's technically one story in a

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way, but it's all connected.
It's I mean, it's I don't even

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know how to explain. It's like
multiple things things, but they're all connected.

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Okay. Yeah, So I don't
know, like, oh, you

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know what mine are? Short?
Should I do both of mine then?

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And then then we'll end with yours? Yeah, and then we'll do yes,

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Yes, let's do that because mine
is okay. Yeah. So MJ

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you told me you had a yourna
story. So instead of doing the notes

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I was going to do as I
talked about earlier, I went and found

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two Urina stories. Oh nice,
and they're not very long. One is

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from infra mund Yes you to me? Yes, it is from youtubes and

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this video is titled MASc and so
yeah, three stories that were never told

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ABOUTA and so they're just stories people
sent into infra Mundo. I can't nice.

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I need to stop saying it like
that, but I can't anyway.

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So this was sent by Gabriela Arena, which doesn't sound like a real name

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to me, but we're just gonna
go with it. I guess I've never

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I just never seen the last name
Marenna. Yeah, I never have either

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yeah, maybe maybe it was like
a nickname so to hide her identity.

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All right, So when I was
a young girl, we always spent the

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end of November through December up to
New Year's in my mom's pueblo in Mitua

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gan. Our family was there,
and all the cousins were similar ages,

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starting at eight and up to a
few of my older cousins that were teens.

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There was a whole bunch of us, almost like a little gang.

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H sounds so fun. I missed
that, like I moved away from like

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family, so now I'm just like, yeah, yeah, my kids are

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not growing up with that like whole
Like yeah, I hate yeah, but

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it sucks so hard we had to
move. Yeah, I mean, like,

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I don't think any of us are
in the same place anymore anyway,

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or if they, if there are
family that is in the same place,

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nobody talks to each other anymore because
of all the all the drama. Oh

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yeah that too, like so much
drama, especially on the loss of Willows

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person and like tell them and then
you go and see what they look like

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and you're like, yeah, I'm
dying at this. TikTok. I saw

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that was like this is this is
the ter renods that you're fighting for.

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But you know what I'm gonna I'm
gonna say it right now, like land

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is precious that yeah, although some
people just wanted to sell it and some

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people just like want it because that's
where they grew up. You know,

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different reasons, but different reasons.
Yeah, it's so tragic at the end,

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but the selfish reasons gotta go.
Yeah for sure, for sure.

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Okay, let me go back to
this. As we said today, it's

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gonna be a mess. Okay,
so almost like a little king. There

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wasn't much for us to do but
play, so that's all we did.

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We played outside all day, and
the following took place during one of those

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moments of play during the day plain
daytime. My cousins ran in the distance

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while another cousin and my uncle rested
against a tree trying to get some shade.

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It was November, but it was
still a little sunny with clouds in

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the sky. My uncle yelled from
the tree he was leaning on, don't

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go too far. But of course
I didn't listen, and because we were

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playing La ciscondidas hide and seek,
and I needed to win. Every terrible

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scary story starts with we were playing
hide and seek. Yeah, yeah,

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I don't know why it reminds you
that story. I think you're the one

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who said it. I will never
recover from that. You know what I'm

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talking about, right, is the
one we shared on Patreon. I think

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so where it's like a she was
like playing somewhere and somebody hold held her

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hand. Yes, yes, it
was Mexico. They were playing hide and

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seek in the neighborhood and they went
into like one of the abandoned houses or

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something like that, or even a
neighbor's house, and like I think it

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was like the rooftop and he was
hiding with this girl and like the attic

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or something or something like yeah,
oh was it a basement? I don't

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remember, but it was some part
of the house and it was like dark,

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like you couldn't see inside. It
was super dark, yes, And

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then he thought one of his friends
went with him, and like that she

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was holding his hand when they were
hiding. And then he looks up and

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sees her down in the crowd because
everyone else has been caught except for him,

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and so he's like, who was
next to me? Who's actually let's

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take it out of side quest and
since we're already here. My mom was

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telling me last last time she was
here, I don't know, we always

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ended up talking about scaring things for
some reason. But I'm here for it

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same. Yeah, I love it. So my well, her grandparents,

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so my great grandparents used to live
in a vesin Dad. So it's like

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those apartments that I mean everyone,
I think everyone that's like Latino knows what

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a vesina is, but everyone else
may not. But it's like, uh,

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apartments that are together and there's like
a center. It's like a community.

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It's like an apartment complex, but
it's also at the same time a

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community. Yeah, it's a little
different than apartment complexes here in the United

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States because they're like not they don't
go up most of the time. They

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might be two stories, but they're
longer than like then they are tall,

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you know. Yeah, and there's
like a center courtyard usually. So they

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were in this vessin Dad, and
my mom said that they had to pass

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by, like my grandparents were at
the end of the vessin Dad and so

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whenever they visited, they you know, went to the gates and they had

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to walk to the bank, but
they had to go past this house that

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they people would say that there was
a lady that like would appear at that

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empty like room or house or whatever, because she passed away there apparently at

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some point, and so like nobody
wanted to walk by it, and like

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they were playing hide and seek ones
of course hide and seek, and well,

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actually, let me backtrack one a
little bit. So yeah, they

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would go back and forth, and
like my great grandma, she she had

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a moment, so she was kind
of mean. There was times where like,

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if you know, a kid was
getting on her nrves, she would

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tell them, like, you should
leave now because it's getting late, but

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watch out for the lady at the
apartment. And then she would make like

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ooh, so I just like scarer
whoever she was talking to. So there

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was a time where they were playing
hide and seek in these apartments and it

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was getting late, and I don't
know why they were playing, but my

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I think it was one of my
uncles. He it's always uncles. Yeah,

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I know what possessed him to do
this, I don't know, but

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my uncle, for whatever reason,
decided to hide next to the door where

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that apartment was that they said the
lady appeared, and he was hiding and

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so everyone was like, whoever was? It was like looking for everyone.

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Right while he was hiding, he
felt like someone touched his shoulder. Oh

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no, and he fainted on the
spot and they they found him and grabbed

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him and welcome up whatever, and
he said, like what happened? And

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bye, I feel like I think
my mom's in. My great grandma was

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like, why are you even playing
hide and Seek? They're like, you

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know that the lady is there,
but yeah, something touch his shoulder.

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Oh and like nobody else was around, so yeah, I would not.

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The lesson here is don't play hide
and seek, don't be curious. Yeah.

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for that side quest. So back
to this hide and seek game. I

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ran as far as my little legs
would take me. I knew none of

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my cousins were dared to go near
the river because there were stories of Layrna

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appearing there, but it was daytime, so I didn't think it was scary.

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I ran straight to the trees right
next to that river. I could

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hear my cousins counting and saying ready
or not, here I come. I

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looked around, thinking I was going
to win. That's when I spotted a

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woman in the river. She was
crying. Her dress was dirty. She

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was saying something between her tears,
but I didn't understand her. I yelled

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out, are you okay. That's
when she went silent. She dragged her

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dirty fingertips against the rocks in the
river and just stared. I froze and

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felt the most intense fear I had
ever felt. She stood up and screamed

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and glided towards me. I don't
know if that's a word, but I

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I feel like it is like floating
out. Yeah, yeah, I could

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have sworn. I felt something grabbed
my neck, but I couldn't see the

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woman anymore. I yelled my mom's
name again and again. I thought I

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was going to die. Then I
heard a familiar sound. My uncle's truck

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was speeding towards me. He was
pressing on the horn as if he was

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trying to make all the sound in
the world to scare something away. As

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the truck passed by me, my
cousins pulled me up into the bed of

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the truck and I knew I was
safe. When we got home. My

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uncle yelled at me for now listening. You shouldn't have gone that far.

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You know, Layrona has been seen
there. Why did you do this?

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I think he saw her holding me. Oh no. He gave us a

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hot chocolate and fan and none of
us ever got near that part of the

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river. Again. That is scary, right. Oh, I don't like

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any of it. That she felt
her neck being grabbed, but she couldn't

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see her anymore. And then the
uncle was just like honkying and yelling.

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Oh no, I like it,
mm hmmm, all of it. It's

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terrible. Yeah, I would have. I would have fainted and died right

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there, like I'm like, what
the hell is touching me? As I've

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said before, Mecaguay Memuiro, I
truly have. Yeah, she had to

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my parts and passed out and died
like okay. And then my next one

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is from Mundo Creepy. Oh I
have not heard of that one. Oh

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yeah, Mundo Creepy is pretty good
on YouTube. Yeah, and they I

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think they're probably on No, they
might just be on YouTube, but it's

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it's titled Sincostorias Part four, and
this yeah again our stories that are sent

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into the channel, So this one, this was sent by A Sophia Cruz.

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In nineteen eighty two, when I
was eight, my family decided to

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move from my pueblo and Vera Cruz
to Sudad, Mexico. I was very

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sad. It was a very hard
move. We left my abulitos, my

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friends, everyone that I knew.
But I really missed my Abuilita. I

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lost my appetite and I could not
sleep. When I did sleep, I

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had terrible nightmares. I didn't tell
my parents about any of this. They

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were stressed about the move too,
and I didn't want to add to their

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stress. I began noticing these nightmares
were all very similar. I was always

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alone in my polito, the streets
were empty, and I was always looking

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for my grandma. It was this
urgent need to find her. I'd call

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her name, she was nowhere to
be seen, and I was being chased

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by something or someone, but I
could never see them. All I could

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hear was a scream in the distance. Oh, it would get closer and

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closer, until it was so close
I would wake up in tears. This

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went on for weeks. It felt
endless. The weirdest part is that the

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dreams were similar, but I knew
it was not the same dream repeating itself.

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It was more. Each night it
was an extension of the last dream.

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The nightmare picked up where the last
one left off. Oh that is

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not good, horrifying. It makes
us all way worse. Yes, And

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the last night that this happened,
it started off like it always did,

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only the night was darker and I
was in the streets again calling for my

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grandma. This time, the screams
were closer instead of starting farther away like

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always. Then something pulled me by
my shoulder and I turned around. It

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was a woman bleeding from her eyes. She screamed in my face as I

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cried. That's when my mom opened
my door, and she was crying uncontrollably.

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She told me that my grandmother had
passed away. I feel like that

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thing was warning me like an omen
hm. It reminded me of la.

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I don't think it was a coincidence. I truly believe that my Agualita would

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have lived longer if we had not
moved. I miss her every day,

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and it's been thirty eight years.
I never saw anything like that again,

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but I still wonder what it was
that is sad. It's sad and horrifying.

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Oh my god, I do not
like it. It's so much worse

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than everything, like the dreams.
Knowing it's not because you know, like

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people have reoccurring nightmare like you're falling
from the same place or your teeth are

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falling off and they're always the same, but this being like it's like the

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same night like a movie almost like
every every night she goes to bed is

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another episode that continues from the previous
one exactly exactly. That's horrifying. And

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yeah, then that thing finally reaching
her, screaming in her face, and

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then she gets the news about her
grandma, like, ugh, no,

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no, I hate it. Yeah
no, that's like that's horrible. It's

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like double the traumatic. Poor poor
girl. It's really sad. Okay,

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So, uh my, I don't
know if it's like stories are more like

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I I guess legends mine, okay, more legend ish Okay. So Laa

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is tied to see and Donancin and
is the snake woman goddess, and I

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have seen her interchangeably called Donancin,
and also I have seen that sometimes Donancin

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is the title and not a specific
deity, but like in the aspect of

406
00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:45.279
things like this whole thing, they're
interchangeable. So see se and Donancin are

407
00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:48.920
just pretty much the same thing,
just like okay, yeah, yeah,

408
00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:52.440
I've seen the same altered egos.
Maybe I don't know. I don't know

409
00:29:52.440 --> 00:30:00.279
if that's like a thing or same
name for different or different names for the

410
00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:03.880
same being. Yeah, kind of
like how like uh a, Saturn and

411
00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:07.240
Kronos are the same things for the
Greeks and the Romans. Yeah, yeah,

412
00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:10.839
okay, yeah, so I think
that's how it is. So the

413
00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:15.039
story goes into a little bit the
legends. I love it. Oh,

414
00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:18.920
I love this topic. So on
top of the hill of tepe yakak or

415
00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:23.279
Tepeyak also Depeyak means hill, So
when they say cedral or hill of Tepayak,

416
00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:29.079
they're saying hill hill. It's like
it's like chai ti or like can

417
00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:33.079
stojo cassa house or la brea tarpits. It's like you're saying the same thing

418
00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:37.559
twice or more. Yeah, it's
like, what do you say chai ti

419
00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:41.039
I means tea, it's t tire. That's what you're saying when you say

420
00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:45.400
Chai Ti, but it it's like
it always makes me laugh from like you

421
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:49.720
guys, it's just the same thing
in two different languages. Yeah, so

422
00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:56.279
uh. Meshikas and other Nawah indigenous
people believe that on top of Tepeyak Donancien,

423
00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:57.839
the mother of the gods, would
appear, and on top of the

424
00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:03.720
hill of Tepeya Basilica, the Santa
Marie Wallalupa now stands there. That was

425
00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:08.559
a mouthful And because Donancin Lorna Levit
the wall Lupe are so intertwined with our

426
00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:11.960
origin, I included a story of
Donancin and Levitan the Wall Lupe, which

427
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:18.599
I think also ties into the omens
brought by Lorna slash Donancin. Oh so,

428
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:23.359
before the conquistadors colonized on top of
the Biac there was a temple dedicated

429
00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:30.240
to Donancin and she was adored by
tribes from the Anawak Empire. And this

430
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:34.559
is all written down by Spanish friars, so it says the natives revered the

431
00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:38.799
goddess. According to testimony, she
appeared to one of them as a young

432
00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:45.079
girl in a white robe and revealed
secret things to the person Frijuan de Torque

433
00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:52.079
Mada in Monarchia, India, sixteen
fifteen. So that was part of his

434
00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:59.519
diary. So there was there was
already like this this story with the indigenous

435
00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:02.880
people of the area, that there
was a woman in white, then she

436
00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:07.720
would appear to some of them.
Uh. And so the Spanish did what

437
00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:10.319
they did and were like, that's
a nice thing you got there. It

438
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:15.640
would be a shame if somebody took
it and they christianized Donancin. So the

439
00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:20.279
indigenous people would convert kind of like
how they took saturn Alia, the holiday

440
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:24.000
for the Roman god Saturn Coronos,
and they were like, let's name it

441
00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:34.519
Christmas. But so here is how
Donanzin or and a little bit. There's

442
00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:38.240
a few legends, so please guys
bear with me. It's a little bit

443
00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:45.480
intertwined. The first one we'll cover
is about my God, I have such

444
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:58.319
a hard time of the Yeah,
an aspect of and is associated with midwives

445
00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:05.599
and childbirths, and in this myth
gives birth to the god of stars and

446
00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:10.359
hunting, but abandons him as a
baby at a crossroad. She becomes Seawaka

447
00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:19.079
and haunts the crossroads, mourning for
her son and sea was sometimes depicted as

448
00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:23.000
an old woman with the skullface,
and this was because many women died a

449
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:27.920
childbirths and they were given the same
honor as warriors, and their spirits were

450
00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:32.240
depicted as having skeletal faces. It
said that the spirits of the woman who

451
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:37.240
died a childbirths called see what that
they all also haunt crossroads. So I

452
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:44.400
think that that's a little bit like
of a maybe pre Hispanic legend where uh

453
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:50.359
she cries for her son. Oh
yeah yeah. And this this next myth

454
00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:54.640
is more aligned with the stories we
hear about. So it's omen number six

455
00:33:54.799 --> 00:34:00.680
of the destruction of the Aztec Empire. It's it describes a woman who roams

456
00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:04.920
the streets crying for her children.
She however, is crying for the future

457
00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:08.360
generation of her people, as her
children will eventually be conquered and destroyed by

458
00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:14.320
the Spanish. This next story is
another version of this omen, and before

459
00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:17.199
the arrival of the Spanish, a
woman was heard crying in the Lake of

460
00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:22.280
Texcoco, saying, my beloved children
of Anawak, your destruction is next.

461
00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:30.239
The priest thought it was Siwakuat who
was prophesizing the destruction of the indigenous people

462
00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:36.920
of Mexico, and shortly after the
colonization of the Mashika, the Spanish destroyed

463
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:42.320
the temple of tonansin on Tepeyac.
The cries and sorrows of the goddess were

464
00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:45.480
heard by the indigenous people when it
was destroyed. When it was destroyed,

465
00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:52.400
they said that they could hear a
woman crying and at the top of the

466
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:58.519
hill like crying for her children,
who were the indigenous people, you know,

467
00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:04.920
her people who who worshiped her,
who she considered her children, and

468
00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:09.679
also crying for the destruction of their
culture, their people, and the destruction

469
00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:15.519
of her temple. So a lot
of coincidences with la you know, she

470
00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:21.360
cries for her children, she she
will, she's she's heard with this sorrow,

471
00:35:21.639 --> 00:35:24.360
you know, this huge sorrow.
And all these stories were believed to

472
00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:30.639
have been the origin of Lorna,
which then the Spanish then vilified Si slash

473
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:35.440
donansin our mother and portrayed her as
a horrible mother who was you know,

474
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:39.400
the made the murder of her children, when in reality they murder her children

475
00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:44.480
and that's why she cries. Yeah, as in her children being the entirety

476
00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:49.400
of the indigenous indigenous people and she's
mourning for them. She's crying, she's

477
00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:52.840
saying, my children, But it's
not because she killed them. It's because

478
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:57.920
they were killed by the Spanish and
colonization for them. Yeah, and which

479
00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:02.960
is also goes similar to the story
that I uh I first told on here

480
00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:08.559
that I grew up with, which
is like the the woman goes to market

481
00:36:08.679 --> 00:36:13.360
and then there's these soldiers in town, but when she comes back, she

482
00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:16.159
finds out that her children were murdered
by the soldiers, and then she's so

483
00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:22.199
sad that she ends up taking her
life and then she becomes thea not because

484
00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:25.159
she killed her children, because she's
in mourning for the murders of her children

485
00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:30.440
that these soldiers did. Yeah.
So that was I I never heard of

486
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:36.320
this, And also the connection to
how like, because I don't feel that

487
00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:43.360
we I don't think we talked about
donuts, but she an episode that we

488
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:47.480
did a while back, not our
first episode might be like our second or

489
00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:52.480
third one. But I want to
say that I talked about see what Wait,

490
00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:58.920
sorry, I don't remember if it
was, but yeah, that was

491
00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:05.079
like the alleged apparition of La in
the Spanish codexes. Yes, and they

492
00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:08.840
called her like a demon, yes, but yeah it's And then they took

493
00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:14.480
her her image and they made the
vitan the Walla Lupe. Yes, yeah,

494
00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:19.840
which is like crazy. And I
also found out that the Wallaalupe gets

495
00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:25.440
her name from a river in Spain
called Guallalupe River. Oh and and they

496
00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:31.159
once found a statue, a dark
skinned statue of the Virgin Mary. There.

497
00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:35.920
I didn't know about the statue.
Yeah, so I didn't write this

498
00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:37.880
down, but I remember it.
So they in in Spain, in this

499
00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:43.360
area called Wallalupe River. This farmer
found this statue and it was the statue

500
00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:49.119
of the Virgin Mary. But she
was dark skinned, right, So when

501
00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:52.079
the Concussadors came to the to the
Americas, they were like, oh,

502
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:55.639
look at their dark skinned too.
This is going to be their their their

503
00:37:55.800 --> 00:38:06.760
vetin. So they so with Donancin
and along with uh this deity, like

504
00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:10.159
this version of Mary that they found
in Walla Lupe River in Spain, they

505
00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:14.679
were like, okay, so we're
gonna name uh, We're gonna combine the

506
00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:21.320
two and give the people La Wallpe. And it worked. But she is

507
00:38:21.400 --> 00:38:24.239
like this this thing and and yeah, so that's where the name Juallalupe comes

508
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:30.639
from which is from this uh statue
that was found in Wallalup in Spain,

509
00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:35.639
and then they combined it with Donanceine
and that's how they were able to Yeah,

510
00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:43.320
this is what you know colonizers do, is like merge existing beliefs into

511
00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:47.639
Christianity to get people to convert more
easily easily, yes, yeah, which

512
00:38:47.719 --> 00:38:52.639
is all part of you know,
genocide, to destroy someone's belief cures.

513
00:38:52.760 --> 00:39:00.760
And yeah, yeah, means I
believe river of wolves so oh well that

514
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:05.960
is Arabic for I think water.
I could be wrong, but loope comes

515
00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:09.159
from the Latin word lupus, like
wolf. Yes, oh my god,

516
00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:14.559
I did not know that. And
there's so many words that are Arabic in

517
00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:17.039
origin when it comes to Spanish,
and I think I don't think a lot

518
00:39:17.079 --> 00:39:22.199
of people realize that. Yeah,
it's it's very Yeah, Spanish is very

519
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:27.239
close to Arabic, very like almost
like they say rice the same, they

520
00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:30.519
say a lot of stuff almost exactly
the same. It's like the Spanish language

521
00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:36.119
is Latin mixed with Arabic. Yeah, cereal. Yeah, but wow,

522
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:39.079
I yeah, I didn't know about
the riven all that. So we're gonna

523
00:39:39.079 --> 00:39:42.679
get a lot of heated comments because
they're gonna be like, no, not

524
00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:46.119
my veatan. Yeah, it's fine. We've already been dealing with heating comments

525
00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:51.800
the past week, so yeah,
but yeah, when we've been dealing with

526
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:55.239
heated comments, yeah, since since
the beginning of our last episode, so

527
00:39:55.440 --> 00:40:00.840
since the beginning even before that.
Like, I feel like I feel like

528
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:04.360
we there's like some stuff that we
say that people are like no, but

529
00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:08.360
I'm like, listen, listen.
Yeah for all, I don't know what

530
00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:21.920
to tell you. This is this
is this is what says. Yeah whatever,

531
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:28.480
Well, anyway, do you have
any speaky recommendations? I I am

532
00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:32.480
gonna watch what is that? Uh? It's on I believe to be It's

533
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:38.119
called the Oh my god, it's
a Japanese thriller. Oh the Audition.

534
00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:42.639
I'm gonna watch. Oh I haven't
seen that. Okay, well let me

535
00:40:42.679 --> 00:40:45.000
know how it is. I will. I have not been watching anything,

536
00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:51.880
Yeah, I haven't. Yeah,
that's the only thing that's on my what

537
00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:54.400
is it called my list? I've
been off TV. It's it's been hard.

538
00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:58.679
This past two weeks have been hard. Yeah. Yeah, I don't

539
00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:02.760
have speaky recommendations, But you want
to recommend a couple of podcast episodes from

540
00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:08.960
the Empire files for anyone that wants
to further educate themselves on Palestine. So

541
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:15.800
they have one let's see titled Gaza
Refugee on the Gaza Genocide. The world

542
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:20.920
gives us only body bags. So
the host, Abbi Martin, speaks with

543
00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:25.119
Mohammed he was born and raised in
Gaza. So that's one episode that's an

544
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:31.119
excellent resource. The other one,
Emergense Broadcast Israel's Hospital Massacre and the Gaza

545
00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:37.679
Genocide. That's from October seventeenth,
the same podcast. Another one from the

546
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:44.480
same podcast, Israeli Law comes to
the US shocking legal saga to silence pro

547
00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:49.719
Palestine speech. This one from April
fifth, twenty twenty one. Since then,

548
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:53.679
wow, oh yeah, let me
tell you so this episode I listened

549
00:41:53.679 --> 00:42:00.639
to it. There's so Abbi Martin. She interviews a Palestinian American activist.

550
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:05.480
Her name is Suhi Oh my gosh, I can't pronounce it, Sue Heir,

551
00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:08.480
Sue Hier. I can't say her
name. I listened, I saw

552
00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:10.960
how she said it, and I
still I'm not saying it right. She

553
00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:17.000
interviews her because she had just one
an important and shocking legal case, because

554
00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:23.679
there was an Israeli firm that tried
to punish her under Israeli law for a

555
00:42:23.719 --> 00:42:30.079
Facebook post that she made. What
and the Facebook post was just her I

556
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:36.119
think they said something about a former
idea of soldiers. They like posted her

557
00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:38.920
picture and said something about her being
like a victim. And then the person

558
00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:43.960
that Abbi Martin interviewed like grab that
and shared it and then wrote on top

559
00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:45.679
of it, this is an idea
of soldier that did this and this and

560
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:50.039
this. None of it was lies. It was all factual. And they

561
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:54.639
tried to sue her, not based
on California law but Israeli law for that

562
00:42:54.719 --> 00:43:00.000
post. How was that even legal? And this brings me to my next

563
00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:05.800
topic which they mentioned in this episode. But there is thirty seven states in

564
00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:10.480
the United States that business is specifically
businesses, so it's not individuals, but

565
00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:16.360
it's illegal to boycott. I think
it's businesses that get money from the state.

566
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:22.039
I don't think it's like any kind
of business. So if you're like

567
00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:25.039
a personal business, like a public
business, you're fine, you could boycott

568
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:30.440
whatever you want, But if you're
getting money from the government or the state,

569
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:34.719
you're not allowed. Like exactly,
you cannot that. A lot of

570
00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:38.039
teachers have to sign a oath to
Israel, which is like, what the

571
00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:42.559
f. Yeah, so that's what
this episode touches on that because a lot

572
00:43:42.559 --> 00:43:45.119
of people think that they started on
October seven, then it didn't. But

573
00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:50.639
that same podcast has episodes from like
two years ago talking about this. There's

574
00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:54.480
another podcast called Truanon. They also
have episodes in Palestine that are like old

575
00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:59.840
because this started in nineteen forty eight, Like this did not start on October

576
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:04.440
seventh, So yeah, just different
episodes. Oh another one sorry, This

577
00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:08.159
one is called Dose. This podcast
Dozed with Abbi Martin, and this one

578
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:15.280
is a she talks with a guy
named Miko Paler. He's a son of

579
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:21.199
a famous Israeli general, and he
talks with her about the myths that Americans

580
00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:25.239
and Israelis are taught about Israel.
And then they talk about settler attacks in

581
00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:30.320
Palestine. And this is from October
twenty fifth, twenty twenty two. Oh

582
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:36.199
my god. Yeah, So I'm
gonna link all those in the show notes

583
00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:39.320
for anyone else that wants to like
learn more. But you know, as

584
00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:45.559
we said last episode, we stand
with Palestine and like, yeah, free

585
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:50.360
Palestine, and I will keep including
those other links we had in the show

586
00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:54.320
notes as well, and if that
makes any former listener, because like we

587
00:44:54.320 --> 00:44:59.920
got a message that was like like
y'ah two yeah, one was just like

588
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:04.760
calling us stupid bitch it. I'm
like okay, ma'am, I'm like whatever.

589
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:07.400
But the other one was like long
ass DM that we got. They

590
00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:10.880
were like, yeah, I've always
been listening for the beginning, whether I

591
00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:15.480
agree or not with the stand you
guys took on Israel or Palestine. I

592
00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:21.000
listened to get away from this kind
of stuff, even for just a little

593
00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:25.480
bit. And so I can't keep
listening because we because we spent too long

594
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:29.800
talking about current affairs, because we
talked about Palestine, we talked about the

595
00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:32.719
otto me in Mexico. But it's
like, have you really been listening because

596
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:38.480
we have always talked about this this
kind of stuff. Yeah, and considering

597
00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:42.920
the fact that a lot of legends
from Latin America stem from this kind of

598
00:45:42.920 --> 00:45:45.679
stuff, the fact that people have
like this Pikachu phase or they're like what

599
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:50.159
They're like, yeah, where have
you been? Yeah? Where have you

600
00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:52.679
been? Like we literally had a
whole month where we only did two crime

601
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:58.199
cases that were like state sanctioned violence
on women in Mexico. We don't need

602
00:45:58.199 --> 00:46:04.239
a patron funds to the seen and
murdered indigenous women. We talked about like

603
00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:07.920
I mean, like when you've aaldi
happened like everything. We have never not

604
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:09.800
talked about this kind of stuff,
and it's like, what a privilege to

605
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:15.079
get away from this kind of stuff. We're gonna bring it up. We're

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gonna mention resources when we can.
So yeah, like come on, we

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like literally talk about religiosi myths,
that's them from colonization. We are both

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Mexican, im have Salvadoran and as
we all know, both these places have

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been colonized. Both of here still
from oppression. They're still you know,

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like come on, get out of
here. And also you don't have to

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announce your departures. This isn't an
airport. Yeah, I don't understand.

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I never understood that. It's like, yeah, if you don't agree,

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if you're tired of it, listen
to other podcasts. But we have it's

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not a big it's not a big
platform, it's not a huge audience,

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but we're gonna share what we can
do what we can. So yeah,

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that is all. I have anything
else to add before we go, No,

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I just I don't know, just
hoping you guys are everyone's okay.

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I guess because I've been having a
hard time and I just hope everyone's okay.

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Just a little sending a little love
out there. Yes, yes,

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much needed, much needed for sure. And yeah, I don't know if

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you if you haven't told that Leona
hangs out by this river, don't go

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to that river, I know,
like, don't even just put yourself in

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that situation. Yeah, yeah,
And don't play hide and seek. Stay

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at Spookie. We'll catch everyone next
time. Bye bye. A Spooky Tales

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is hosted by Christina and MJ,
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written and researched by Christina MJ and
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It's so comfy, it's warm,
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letters. There's also a baseball hat
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English, and that's what I wear
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