July 26, 2024

Encounters with El Charro Negro and the 2019 El Paso Walmart Shooting

Encounters with El Charro Negro and the 2019 El Paso Walmart Shooting

In 2019, a gunman entered a Walmart in El Paso, specifically looking for Mexcans. 

In this episode, Cristina tells Carmen about the tragic shooting and Carmen shares encounters with El Charro Negro, a legend from Mexico. Before that, they share a...

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In 2019, a gunman entered a Walmart in El Paso, specifically looking for Mexcans.

In this episode, Cristina tells Carmen about the tragic shooting and Carmen shares encounters with El Charro Negro, a legend from Mexico. Before that, they share a listener story and end with spooky recommendatons.

If you have a spooky story to share, email Espookytales@gmail.com or leave us a voicemail at call the Espooky Hot Line (360)836-4486. You can also submit it on Discord! Thank you so much for sending your stories!

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Hi everyone, This is Christina and Carmen and this is

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another episode of a Spooky Tales, a podcast for all

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things spooky, paranormal, scary, and true crime. Sometimes not all

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the time, sometimes true crime. Sometimes yeahs no maservices, there

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was Sando. Today, Carmen has some stories about Elchado and

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I ove already shared the legend of Ilchadro, but that

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was just the legend. Now we have sightings, people that

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saw him, actually saw him. Yeah. And then I have

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a very depressing topic. It was requested though it was

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on my list of things to do when I was

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emotionally ready, and then I was like, I'm never going

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to be emotionally ready. So here we are. I will

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be covering the twenty nineteen El Paso shooting. I can't

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believe that was twenty nineteen. That feels like so long ago.

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I mean, I guess it was. No, it feels like

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so long ago. But at the same time that ago, Yeah,

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I get that. Yeah. And then for those that, like

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you know, hate political commentary, it is literally impossible to

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mention this case and not bring up politics because of

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what it inspired the person that did this horrible thing.

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I mean, the reality is that everything is political. Every

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single one of our choices, whether we realize it or not,

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is political. So it is what it is. Yeah, it is,

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and so it's going to happen when we're discussing this case.

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And also I am gonna cry. Okay, yeah, yeah. And

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then before all that, we have a listener story. If

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you have a story that you want to send into

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the podcast, you can email spookyitos at gmail dot com.

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You can DM us on any of the socials discord.

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That's another one. You can call the Spooky hotline. You

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know what, next time I'm going to grabble one from

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the Spooky hot line. Yeah, next time, not today, it's

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too late, right, there's a few in there, Yes, so

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you can call that number. It's in the show notes.

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There's a lot of ways to get us these stories,

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and we will read every single one of them. We

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love receiving them. And okay, I think we're ready. So

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this listener story comes from Teresa. It was the end

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of the school year and the sixth grade classes go

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on a camping trip for a weekend. I didn't go,

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and neither did three of my classmates. We instead got

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to spend the friday in the fifth grade class with

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minimal supervision. We were just sitting in the back doing

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whatever my friend will call her. Chrissy suggested we make

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our own spirit board and attempt to conjure up a

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spirit in class. Okay, yeah, but to be fair with

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the last day, you know what I mean, don't care care,

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She says. She played with a makeshift Wuiji board with

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her siblings and they spoke allegedly to Georgia Washington, not

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George Washington. I thought that was silly, but I was

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okay with trying to talk to a ghost. Chrissy gave

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instructions to our peers, we'll call them Pam and Jim.

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She told Pam she would be the one to write

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the letters down I guess to decipher what the board says,

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and that Jim and I were to have a finger

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on the makeshift plan sheet, which ended up being a quarter,

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and she would be conducting the stands. Chrissy scribbled a

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mixshift spirit board on a notebook paper. Following Chrissy's instructions,

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Jim and I put a finger on the quarter, moved

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it around the paper in a circle before bringing it

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into the middle, and asked if anyone was there now,

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maybe because our plan sheet was a quarter and geomagnetic fields,

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but I felt like there was a bubble between my

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finger and the quarter. It moves a little, but we

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got no response. Only Christy was disappointed with that. Then

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she told us to ask for a spirit by name. Pam.

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Jim and myself couldn't think of any dead people we

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wanted to talk to. Maybe it's the only like, so,

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what is it New Girl where she's no bones? Sorry,

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there's an episode of Bones where Zoe Deschanel comes on

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and she's a cousin of Bones and in the episode,

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people keep saying how they look like and they must

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be sisters and they're like, no, we're just like very

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distant cousins. Oh my, Zoe Dechanelle's character is obsessed with

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Benjamin Franklin, really, and that's what this has given me,

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that Chrissy is obsessed with George Washington in the way

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that Zoey Deschanel was obsessed with Benjamin Franklin in the episode. Okay,

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Christy suggested George Washington, and so we tried again and

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asked if George Washington was there. The quarter moved to know.

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Pam didn't want to continue to find out who or

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what moved the quarter and that it's okay to stop.

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I feel you, I feel you. That would be me too. Yeah,

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Jim and I said goodbye, and Chrissy threw away our

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makeshifts very board. We spent the rest of the day

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quietly doing nothing until the dismissal bell rank. I have

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another story from the sixth grade, but I have to

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type it out on my notes. People sharing well yesterday,

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I will be waiting for your other story from the

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sixth grade. We will be. I wonder who was there

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if it wasn't George Washington. Well, they didn't stick around

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to find out. And that's the end of their horror movie.

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And I support that. I do. You know, sometimes you

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just you just got to stop before it turns into

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horror movies, and stop while you're ahead, as your fifth

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grade teacher would often tell you, because you were annoying, Yes,

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and I was. And I don't blame her now. Back then,

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I did, I think you get it? Yeah, I get

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it now. I was. Yeah, I was the worst. I

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do want to say, do you remember our sixth grade? No,

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it was in sixth grade? Well we did go camping

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sixth grade. No, fifth grade we went when we were

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in the Lordessuerta. Yes, and then we had another campaign

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tent again in eighth grade at Lighthouse and two camping trips,

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fun good times. I remember being scared by the forest,

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but obviously I didn't see ada, but people were saying

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things like oh. They kept saying at night like I

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better remember specifics to you. No, probably that there was

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like a lady crying outside. I remember one girl was

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like having these night terrors. I don't remember her name anymore,

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but she I was in the bunk above her, and

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of course because I was in the book of fifth

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grade of her. Yeah, we were intent in eighth grade.

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And the other one we were in Kevin's. Yeah, I

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vaguely remember that too. Yeah, And she was like crying,

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poor girl, No, don't get and I took it through

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with like water at her. You did, I'm pretty sure

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because I was like stop, I'm trying to stop. She

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wasn't waking up, and everybody was like shaking home, like

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what do we do? And I was like move over,

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like you guys, this is taking too long. And I

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just like threw water at her and then she stamped

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out of it. Look at you and your leadership skills.

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Back then they really kicked in, They really did, so

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I wouldn't recommend it. No, you know, it feels kind

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of mean. You did what you could with the information

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you had. Back then, you didn't know it wasn't okay

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to throw water at people. Okay, so let's move on

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with that dumb ass ship being said. Well, let's take

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a quick outbreak here. I were back, okay, so onto

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some chattel. I feel like it said that not double

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R you know how our family laughs at me. No, No,

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it was right, although they do. Yeah, they make fun

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of Carmen because sometimes she says battles and so little.

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I mean, obviously I feel like I could say in

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normal now. No, it's just like trauetized from that time framework.

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You know, I didn't need to say double rs at all. Ever,

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so everything was gott instead of cattro. And yeah, it

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was just an embarrassing time for me. You can do

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it now, Yes, the concord remains anyway. So yeah, like

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Christina said, we did share the legend of Enchado Negro before,

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and I guess just briefly. The legend is that there

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was a man who came from a humble family, but

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he always you know, had the taste. Yeah, he he

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wanted more than he was like, no, his family could provide,

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what did she say? So that was this man and

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his parents you know, would give him whatever he wanted,

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but he wanted more and more and more, just like that,

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exactly exactly, so you know, he got tired of being

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like you said, he hated it. Yeah, things took a

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dark turn when the parents passed away, and then you

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know there's nobody to give him money anymore. And really

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his problems would have been solved if he had just

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found like a shuga mama, but instead he found the

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devil and Diablos or Starry. He also could have worked.

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No that's not an option. That wasn't an option for him. No, no,

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not at all, right, and I support that. So then

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he summoned the devil for help. And the devil, you

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know how he does, he promised him money, lavishness. Well,

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he loves deals. Yeah. If there's one thing the devil loves,

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it's to make deals. Yeah, and of course this is

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always usually you know, in turn for your soul. So

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that's what a chattel did. He was like, yeah, my

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soul worth it's worth it, and I don't care about that.

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Who cares about that? So he agreed, and you know,

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he had all the the luxuries he could have. But

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then he actually had a change in heart and he

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found out that money, money doesn't buy happiness, and he

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became bored with his wealth. As he got older, you know,

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he regretted this. He came to have buyer's remorse, buyer's remorse,

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and he thought he could outsmart the devil, so he

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grabbed his you know, fastest horse and went into hiding.

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But the devil, being the devil, annoying everything, you know,

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you can't get ahead of him. Sometimes you can, though

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in some of the stories, but in Shuttle he couldn't.

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So the Devil's sense what was going on within Chattle's

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second thoughts, and before the deal was set to be over,

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just decided to take a soul, you know, before and

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Shuttle could outsmart him. Then in Chattle's flesh disappeared, his

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eyes turned into balls of fire, and he became a skeleton.

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The horse who had nothing to do with it. It

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wasn't his fault. He also was condemned, that poor horse. Yeah,

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so anyway, then the devil made another deal within chattle,

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and he gave him a bag of gold coins and

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promised and Chattle that if he went after others who

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were in debt to him and got them to accept

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the bag of coins, then he would release a chattle

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and the spirit of the horse, and then he would

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take the spirit of somebody else. Someone would take his place,

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right right, the chatte agreed and that's the story. Okay,

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But apparently no one has agreed because he's still out

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here trying to collect. But what if it's someone else

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in his place, Like he's still dressed the same in everything,

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but it's not the original chattle with someone else. Oh

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you see, I thought it was the original chattle this

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whole time because he was dressed the same. But what

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if it's like the cloth doesn't change, but the okay,

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you know what I mean, like that guy. See I

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think we don't know? Then, yeah, we don't know, because

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in one of the stories they do accept the money. Yeah, okay.

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So sightings, yeah tell us. One reported sighting comes out

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of La Colonia the Sunny Caesar, and was covered by

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the Mexican TV show Mexico and Lasse. According to the show,

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locals in the area believe that Chatto Negro appears by

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the Bidul tree in town every Friday at midnight. One

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report states that forty years ago a man claimed to

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have seen in Shadow at night, and according to the report,

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and Chado offered to give the man money, and no

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one knows if the man accepted the offer or not,

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but loc will say that after the sighting the man

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lost his mind. Oh no, yeah, maybe he did. Maybe.

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The show also interviewed a historian named Maria Jose Perez Martinez,

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who told the show that another man had also claimed

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to have seen in Chado Negro. According to the historian,

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the man said that in Chado Negro appeared to the

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man and told him where he would be able to

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find barrels full of gold. No one knows if the

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man took and Chattle's offer, but the historian said that

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the man became an alcoholic soon after the reported sighting

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and moved out of town, and to this day, no

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one knows if the man is solve or where he went.

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Oh yis. Another popular sighting happened in twenty twenty one

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when the YouTube blogger moon Wrap Blogs investigated a cemetery

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in Mexico. The bloggers claim that they caught footage of

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Chattle Negro a few times during the investigation, in one

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instance around the twelve minute mark, and the video I

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guess will be linked. We have the link. I'll send

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this schoogle talk to you. You have it clip in

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here too, okay cool? So yeah. Around the twelve minute mark,

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viewers are able to see what looks like a shadow

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of a man on a horse reflecting off the tombstones.

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The group of investigators then freak the funk out and

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they can be seen running away from the figure well

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screaming that they just saw Chatterle Negro. Let's watch this.

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Mom is momi is get pay away?

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Noment Oh, I see something, moms get pay away.

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I love ghost signings from Mexicola because they're always so fun.

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I mean, like, it could feel about someone walking by

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on the horse or whatever, but what are the odds

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of it, I know what the result? Yeah, exactly, so funny.

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So I know, I know things can be stashed and

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could literally just be someone they got to walk but

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that's still funny and they could be reacting to it.

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But it's a good video. It's a good video. I

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like it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I like how they put

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Charro Negro and then parenthese almas he wants to take

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her souls. Yeah, and we'll put this in here so

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people can see it watching. Okay, So this next one

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comes from YouTube channel called La from an anonymous listener.

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So the story goes like this. In the early nineteen seventies,

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in a cantina in a town called Label in Getro,

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one rainy night, close to the last call, a man

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came in to the cantina. Someone coming in at the

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very last minute, and it being a man is not

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really like yeah, yeah, you know, it's gonna be something bad.

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It's either gonna be the devil, a free demon, or

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someone that's gonna rob you. Like there's yeah, yeah, there's

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no one between one of the three. Nothing else. Yeah.

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One of the girls told the man that they were

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about to close, but the man kept walking in. The

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man was wearing black snakeskin boots which were too clean

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considering the rain pouring down outside, and he had on

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vacctto clothing all black except the buttons, which were gold. Honestly,

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sounds cute. I don't know, I don't know. It sounds

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like a good outfit. Like, if I were going to

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go to a rodeo, this is what I would want

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to wear. Yeah, the man was completely dry despite the weather.

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Big yikes. His presence commanded both fear and respect. Of course,

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the girl once again told him it was closing time,

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and he said, I heard you the first time with

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the fuck no, And then he asked how much they

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make in one night, and the girls weren't sure, so

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then they went to get the boss. Is the girl boss,

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I might add. The boss welcomed him and then she's like,

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I'm sorry, but we're about to close, and the man's like, yeah,

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it's about time y'all close and for everyone else to leave,

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but I'll pay you very favorably to serve me. Tola

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madda late at night. The crocodile, crakodan, crock Sorry, it

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sounds like you were gonna say crook or spooky cock. No, okay,

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where was I? Okay? Yeah, So he told them to

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kick everyone else out and he'll pay them very favorably

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if they just save him till you know, the crack

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of dawn, not the cock of don you're right, not

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that anything but that, And he showed them his gold coins.

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So the boss, and the girls agreed. One of the

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girls would later say that the man asked for the

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most expensive drinks and paid each of the girls three

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times the costs in gold coins for each drink, and

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he paid them the same amount each time they danced

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for him. His only condition was for the girls to

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put the coins in the battle or clay pots. And

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we're all for oh yes, to be split evenly among

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the eleven girls and la at the end of the night. Okay,

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socialism okay, equal equality okay, fair pay, fair and equal pay.

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They air compensation okay, okay, okay, okay. Yeah yeah, yeahwey yeahweh.

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So yeah, they all agreed and the man okay. So

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the video, first they said that the girls dance with him,

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but then also said and you know in Spanish, when

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they when they say SeMet connalian, it means you hooked

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up with them. Yeah, so it's unclear to me whether

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it was a hookup or just a dance, but anyway,

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both maybe both, I'm imagining. Yeah. So yeah, the man

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danced and hooked up with three of the girls. All

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three would later die by suicide within the next couple

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of days. Oh my god, Yeah, that took a wild

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turn home that I was not expecting that. Yeah. So

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then the man was like making talk small talk, asking,

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you know, for locals in the area, and he knew

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he seemed to know people in the area, but he

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was also asking questions that didn't make sense. But I

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didn't get an description of this questions. So okay, don't

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ask me, that's all it said. All right. Then, around

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three point thirty am, the pots were full of gold

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coins and one of the girls noticed La Patrona was

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very quiet, so she asked her what was wrong, and

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La Patrona said, how do you think he's doing this?

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He can't carry all of these coins in his pockets. Plus,

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no matter how much he drinks, he's not drunk, and

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he hasn't even gone to the bathroom once since he's

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been here. She said, I fear that this may be

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a ruse. I fear this might be the devil. So

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the girl became very afraid, and she realized no one

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had even brought the oes out from the kitchen. They

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were just there. Where did they come from? Yeah, so

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told the girl she believed they were partying with the

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devil himself. I would have been thrown us out. Yeah,

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y of course. Yes. So then the man noticed them,

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you know, whispering back there, and he beckoned to them,

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He's like, what are you all whispering about over there?

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The parties over here? Y'all in Lasquina? Yeah, And so

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he kept giving all of that money, you know, buying

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drinks whatever, until about five am, when he finally said, well,

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it's time for me to head out, and he's like,

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I liked being here very much. That's so scary. That's

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probably the scariest thing he said. He's like, this is

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my favorite cantina. And then he said that he'll be

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back for the girls and take them somewhere very special

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to help. Yeah. I think those questions that didn't make

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sense that he was asking were probably questions like how

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much is your soul worth? Do you like hot temperatures?

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Where do you want to spend eternity? How do you

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feel about eternal damnation? And that's why they didn't make sense, right,

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he was asking this as they're doing lapdowns. It's like

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these are the all life writing. Wow, this is weird, Like, wow,

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is he asking this? Well? I don't mind the heat? Well,

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if you're going to pay me this much, I do

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not mind eternal damnation. So yeah, he said he would

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be back for them and he would take them somewhere

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very special. And then suddenly the doors opened and there

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stood a huge horse with fire in his eyes and

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smoke that appeared to come out of his nostrils. The

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man stood and as he walked out, he told the girls, remember,

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I'm coming back for you your mind now ew ew Yeah,

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very creepy the girls. And notice that the man's legs

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appeared to grow to the point where it was effortless

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for him to get onto this huge horse. No, and

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then they galloped away at an impossible speed and left

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into the darkness. Lena then told the girls like, maybe

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he should spend the night year because it's so late

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and in the morning will split the money up. So

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everyone woke up around one pm. But the girls I

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had danced with him, the girls I hooked up with him,

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they felt uneasy all night and they weren't able to sleep.

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They just wanted to get their share of the money

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and leave. But when the girls looked into the pots,

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they found no gold coins. All they're hard work. I

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can't believe this. He was actually not into fair wages,

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and you know fair labor. This is this is whige theft. Yeah,

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and what else you expect from saying it? Not only

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will you take your soul, but he also stole your money.

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Wow wow, after he promised you huge amounts of money

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and then he's gonna be like, I really like this

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place and he's like, I'll be back for y'all, I'll

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be back. Yeah, oh my god. So they got they

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got eight ternal damnation. Three of them died and they

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got no money, right right, And this is not a

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good deal, No, not at all. All they found in

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the pots was horseshit on taught. That is such a

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fucking insult. They literally literal miar that, what the hell?

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Why would you leave that until the very end?

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I know?

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And the smell of sulfur yeah wow wow. So no,

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the girl started praying, crying and screaming. The scream they screaming,

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throwing up, oh my niece, begging that balmore. Yeah, oh

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my god. And La Patrona again was like that was

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the devil and the bar closed its doors forever. They

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never opened again after that night. And yeah, like I

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said before, three of the girls they died by suicide. Wow. Yeah,

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this is worse in the dance with the devil. It

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is right because that girl she actually just danced with him.

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But these girls were like dancing for him and then

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they hooked up with him, and then they got shit

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in the pot and also they died. Man, this is terrible. Wow,

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if this is not a cautionary, cautionary tale, just like

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slapping you in the face. Yeah, it's so many warnings here. Obviously,

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the line of work that they're in is there. It's

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being like thought about negatively in the story, right, not

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by me in the story, in the story. But also

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you know the fact they wanted more money. They weren't

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okay with their normal poor wages. They needed more money.

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This strange man came offering them that money, and then

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you know, they did offensive with this man. This is

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all a warning like, don't expect more, right, But I

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I wish that it would have been better for them,

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because I was honestly on their side. You know what

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if their souls had been taken, but they got to

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live their full lives and they got the money. I

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don't see a problem with them. I don't same. But

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they didn't even get that, you know what I mean.

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So I'm not they got fucked literally literally got fucked

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like that in all in all ways, yeah possible. Yeah,

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I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't

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like seeing my girls lose, you know, no, not at all. Yeah.

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That was That was scary and a horrible ending. Okay,

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So I think this brings us to the end of

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the paranormal stories, right, Yes, that's okay. Well, we're gonna

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we're back. Before we get to my depressent case, I

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just wanted to point out that I'm still very tired

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from Denver. He's still not recovered. I finally went for

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a run. Oh good. Okay, And well, let me just

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say I didn't go to work today because I don't,

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you know, I don't feel like I don't need to

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be there, Not on my anniversary. That's no such a day.

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Happy anniversary. Thank you. Of course we did have therapy today,

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which is cool. When we made the appointment, the therapist

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was like, wow, therapy on your anniversary. We're like, yeah,

445
00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:44.400
that's commitment, that's what she said, oh my god, well yeah,

446
00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:46.480
she was right, she was. And then we went to

447
00:25:46.519 --> 00:25:51.279
eat at this delicious, delicious place that actually I want

448
00:25:51.880 --> 00:25:54.039
y'all to come to go to for us to go

449
00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:58.119
when you us me. What's called ol Bistro. Okay, amazing,

450
00:25:58.200 --> 00:26:01.440
pretty bysick name. So I'm surprised that good delicious Cokain,

451
00:26:01.720 --> 00:26:03.480
that's good. What kind of food is it's is cute.

452
00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:07.920
It's like a Mexican and regular really yeah okay, oh

453
00:26:08.079 --> 00:26:10.799
like a combo, like an American Yeah, like a Mexican

454
00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:14.920
American combo. Yes, yeah, that's cool. Okay, okay, yeah, we'll

455
00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:17.119
definitely go there. And we went there at your therapy

456
00:26:17.279 --> 00:26:19.559
and it's like impossible to go on Saturdays, which is

457
00:26:19.599 --> 00:26:22.799
why I've only gone when I take days off during

458
00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:26.839
the week and it was not packed. Then no, that's good,

459
00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:30.160
and I'm a little more refresh point being I'm a

460
00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:33.039
little more refreshed. Still a little tired, though, Okay, yeah,

461
00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:36.599
I send an alarm. Okay, I've been going to better

462
00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:39.440
like a eight thirty or nine since we've been back

463
00:26:39.559 --> 00:26:43.440
from our trip, and I sent an alarm every day

464
00:26:43.720 --> 00:26:45.720
since I'm going to sleep so early, I'm like, well,

465
00:26:45.799 --> 00:26:48.279
I can wake up at like six six thirty. That's

466
00:26:48.440 --> 00:26:50.799
enough sleep. It's like eight and a half hours I've

467
00:26:50.839 --> 00:26:52.759
been the first two days. I think I woke up

468
00:26:52.799 --> 00:26:54.960
around nine, and somehow my children are slept in two.

469
00:26:55.160 --> 00:26:57.440
Oh perfect. I don't know what was meant to be. Yeah,

470
00:26:57.480 --> 00:26:58.880
today I'm like, all right, I'm going to wake up

471
00:26:58.880 --> 00:27:00.559
at six thirty no matter what, I'm going to go

472
00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:01.960
to the gym. Then I think I got a brown

473
00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:04.720
seven thirty. I did not go to the gym. I

474
00:27:04.759 --> 00:27:07.319
put on my like sweater. That means I'm not leaving

475
00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:10.079
the house. It's this sweater. This is my like okay,

476
00:27:10.160 --> 00:27:13.039
and I am recording with it. Yeah, this is my

477
00:27:13.240 --> 00:27:16.119
I'm gonna be. I have been working, okay, tomorrow's my

478
00:27:16.160 --> 00:27:19.279
actual like shifting my day job. Yeah, not looking forward

479
00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:22.640
to it, but but yeah, I'm still dying. I hope

480
00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:25.200
to be back to normal next week. I hope that

481
00:27:25.240 --> 00:27:27.480
you are. Yeah. And because I'm already feeling like shit,

482
00:27:27.599 --> 00:27:29.000
I'm like, well, I might as well talk about this

483
00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:33.119
very depressing case, right. Yeah. Also because it was requested,

484
00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:37.480
so let's get started, Okay, let's get into it. On

485
00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:40.720
August third, twenty nineteen, a white man entered a busy

486
00:27:40.759 --> 00:27:44.160
Walmart in at Baso, Texas, and opened fire. To this day,

487
00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:49.119
it is described as the Delias attack on Latinos Latinas

488
00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:53.240
in modern America. We're covering the El Paso Walmart shooting.

489
00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:54.960
Like I said, it was requested by a lot of

490
00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:57.279
people after we did the Post club shooting. I mean,

491
00:27:57.279 --> 00:28:03.000
it's a crime that specifically, delibly targeted Mexicans. Yeah, that

492
00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:07.240
was this person's goal. I mean it was a hate crime. Yeah. Yeah,

493
00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:09.359
I remember watching the news when it all went down.

494
00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:13.480
It was just yeah, it was such a dark, dark time. Yeah.

495
00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:15.359
And yeah, like I said, it's a heavy case. So

496
00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:18.799
you know, listening with caution or don't listen skip this part.

497
00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:21.319
You know, we've already covered the spooky part, so you

498
00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:23.480
can come back to the end. So I'll put time stamps.

499
00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:25.519
There are always a little thrown off because of ads,

500
00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:29.599
but I'll do my best. So as many of you

501
00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:34.160
probably already know, Paso is alongside the US Mexico border.

502
00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:37.079
It's pretty much connected to see the Aguadis Like you

503
00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:39.559
can take a bridge and they're like two miles away

504
00:28:39.599 --> 00:28:41.920
from each other. It's completely normal for people to go

505
00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:48.160
back and forth from both cities every day for different things, work, shopping, eating, school,

506
00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:51.000
a bunch of different reasons. Malpaso also happens to be

507
00:28:51.079 --> 00:28:55.440
eighty one percent Latino Hispanic from the statistic I found

508
00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:58.799
from like twenty twenty two or something like that. And again,

509
00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:01.319
super normal for people to go back and forth between

510
00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:04.680
the two cities. So because it was, you know, August,

511
00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:08.240
it was almost back to school season, the sales were

512
00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:11.519
probably going on. The walmart on seven to one zero

513
00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:16.039
one Gateway West Boulevard in Alpasso was extremely busy. It's

514
00:29:16.119 --> 00:29:18.920
estimated that there was like three thousand people inside, and

515
00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:21.799
it's also a shopping center. I never think about how

516
00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:26.079
many people at once fit inside in a grocery store

517
00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:29.720
or department store like that. Right, some of these walmarts

518
00:29:29.720 --> 00:29:33.400
were gigantics. So yeah, So at ten thirty seven am,

519
00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:36.160
the gunman walked to the back of his car. He

520
00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:39.759
pulled out a semi automatic rifle from his trunk and

521
00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:42.440
opened fire in the parking lot. He killed a woman

522
00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:45.000
who was pushing a shopping cart and then fired at others.

523
00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:47.000
And I think a lot of people know, but you know,

524
00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:49.480
usually people that are fundraising for different things will set

525
00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:51.880
up outside of these shopping centers to sell things, so

526
00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:53.839
there was a group of kids and parents fundraising for

527
00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:58.119
the Elpaso Fusion Girls soccer team outside. The gunman fired

528
00:29:58.119 --> 00:30:01.559
at them. Three people died from in this instance, and

529
00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:04.720
six people were injured in the parking lot. The Walmart

530
00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:07.240
store manager saw the gunman in the parking lot and

531
00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:10.759
ran inside and called Code Brown. This means that there

532
00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:13.720
was an active shooter on site. Employees began to help

533
00:30:13.759 --> 00:30:18.119
customers escape or hide. Many hit under tables or tried

534
00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:21.359
to flee to the nearby stores like the nearby Sam's Club,

535
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:24.480
or they hid in shipping containers behind the Walmart. At

536
00:30:24.519 --> 00:30:27.759
ten thirty nine am, the gunman entered the store through

537
00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:30.160
the west side. As he walked in, he killed an

538
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:33.359
elderly man who was trying to escape. He fired into

539
00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:36.960
the checkout area, killing several more. Then he walked into

540
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:40.400
the first convenience bank that was inside the store, where

541
00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:43.440
he fired more people. The gunman walked through the store,

542
00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:46.279
leaving a path of injured and dead. He walked out

543
00:30:46.279 --> 00:30:48.960
of the wal Mart at ten forty two am. The

544
00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:52.519
gunman then walked to the parking lot, fire more rounds

545
00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:55.880
on the way to his car. A man and his wife. Well,

546
00:30:55.920 --> 00:30:58.079
a man died and his wife was injured in this

547
00:30:58.200 --> 00:31:00.559
instance of him, you know, shooting in the parking lot.

548
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:04.279
Then the gunman got into his car. Emergency services arrived

549
00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:08.200
pretty fast within the first six minutes of the nine

550
00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:10.079
to one one call. The first nine one one call,

551
00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:14.880
the El Paso Police Department, Texas Rangers, FBI, and paramedics

552
00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:18.200
were all unseen. Somehow the gunman was able to drive away,

553
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:20.559
but he didn't get very far. I'm not sure how

554
00:31:20.599 --> 00:31:24.640
far this intersection Sunmount and Viscount are from the walmart,

555
00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:27.519
but that's where he stopped at the left turn lane

556
00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:30.279
and he exited his vehicle and he just went up

557
00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:32.960
to a Texas ranger and said he was the shooter,

558
00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:37.799
and he was immediately apprehended arrested. In total, there were

559
00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:41.559
twenty three dead and twenty six injured, majority Mexican or

560
00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:44.480
Mexican American. And again I'm not going to say the

561
00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:46.359
gunman's name, like fuck him.

562
00:31:46.519 --> 00:31:46.680
You know.

563
00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:51.079
The twenty three that died that day, they were Jordan

564
00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:55.559
and Andre Anchrodo, twenty five and twenty four. So young, yeah,

565
00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:58.359
so young. They were going back to school, shopping for

566
00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:00.680
their five year old daughter. She was not with them,

567
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:04.640
but they had their two month old baby, boy, Paul,

568
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:08.119
and he was with them. The only reason the baby

569
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:13.559
lived is because Jordan shielded the baby. Then Andre shielded

570
00:32:13.599 --> 00:32:17.839
both of them, and they had fallen on top of

571
00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:21.640
the baby and an unknown person. It was unknown for

572
00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:25.599
a like a week or two. He went in as

573
00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:27.920
the gunshots were still going on and he got the

574
00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:31.400
baby from underneath them. That is why the baby lived.

575
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:35.400
And then this man went back in and was still

576
00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:40.240
treating people. Wow. So Andre had recently started a business

577
00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:44.279
of his own, like a concrete type business, and the

578
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:48.119
pair had just celebrated their first wedding anniversary. Oh my god,

579
00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:50.759
a friend told People, and all this is from People magazine.

580
00:32:50.759 --> 00:32:54.160
They did like a whole article just with everyone's statements,

581
00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:56.799
and like, well, I'm just gonna relose. That's perfect. So

582
00:32:56.839 --> 00:32:59.240
a friend told People magazine that they were so kind

583
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:01.880
and you could tell they truly loved each other. And

584
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:04.680
I just, I don't know, I feel so sad for

585
00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:08.680
obviously the whole family and friends, but their children. It's

586
00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:10.519
just it's wild that you can just be out here

587
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:14.119
doing the thing that you do and then this happens.

588
00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:18.160
David Johnson, sixty three, died trying to shield his wife

589
00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:21.000
and nine year old granddaughter from the gunfire. His niece

590
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:24.839
Mariamada said about him that he was a loving father, husband, uncle,

591
00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:27.079
and grandpa. When he was found, he was surrounded by

592
00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:29.359
three gun shows and it could have been one for

593
00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:33.799
each one of them, but because he protected them, his

594
00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:39.720
wife and granddaughter lived. They wouldn't have made it if

595
00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:42.559
it wasn't for him giving up his life for them

596
00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:46.119
have yet. Ami Rodriguez was fifteen. He would have been

597
00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:50.200
a sophomore in high school that fall, and he absolutely

598
00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:53.559
loved soccer and video games, and what fifteen year old doesn't.

599
00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:57.200
That's like the life, that's all you do at that age.

600
00:33:57.799 --> 00:34:01.559
His uncle tried to protect him by getting in the

601
00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:04.079
way the gunfire, but he was shot in the foot

602
00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:07.200
in the process and he was unable to shield him.

603
00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:11.519
My God, Angie Anglesby eighty six, had been on the

604
00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:15.280
phone just moments before the shooting began. She was telling

605
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:17.119
her son on the phone that she missed him because

606
00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:19.119
he had gone on vacation and that they were going

607
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:22.000
to see each other soon, so it was okay. She

608
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:25.039
was on the phone with their son when everything went down. Wow,

609
00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:28.400
just that's so horrifying to be on the other end

610
00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:31.360
of that and just not not know what is happening.

611
00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:35.800
And she went shopping at this Walmart every single Saturday morning. Wow.

612
00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:39.079
Her granddaughter, Catherine stead of the following about her. My

613
00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:41.400
grandmother was a strong woman. She raised all of her

614
00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:45.360
seven children by herself, working multiple jobs to support them.

615
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:48.800
She was a woman of faith and the most independent, strong,

616
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:53.119
caring women I've ever known. Arthuro Bernavidez, sixty was an

617
00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:56.480
Army veteran and a retired bus driver for the city.

618
00:34:56.639 --> 00:35:00.559
He had lived in Apaso his whole life with his wife, Patricia,

619
00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:03.559
and even though they never had their own biological children,

620
00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:06.320
they fostered many always made sure to check on them

621
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:11.119
every single child they fostered. They still had a relationship

622
00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:15.239
with Wow, and they absolutely loved their many nieces and nephews.

623
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:19.480
His grand niece Jacqueline, said that Ardua was extremely caring,

624
00:35:19.639 --> 00:35:22.760
loving and strong willed. He loved hearing from all of

625
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:26.039
them and knowing that they were okay. And he also

626
00:35:26.320 --> 00:35:29.000
loved being around people and he would talk to anyone

627
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:33.960
and he would especially love telling his army stories. He

628
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:37.639
just sounds lovely Elsam and Dosa Marquez was a mother

629
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:40.719
of two from Suda Kwadres. She was visiting family in

630
00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:43.639
Apasso when she stopped at the Walmart to make a

631
00:35:43.719 --> 00:35:46.800
quick purchase, like she was even pining on stopping there. Yeah.

632
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:50.760
Her husband wrote the following about her on Facebook. I

633
00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:53.880
bid farewell to my companion, the most marvelous of women,

634
00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:57.360
a person full of light who will continue illuminating our

635
00:35:57.400 --> 00:35:59.440
way for the rest of our lives. We are going

636
00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:04.559
to miss you, love. That was very sad to read. Michaels.

637
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:06.559
I got reading this at night time, like because I

638
00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:08.400
couldn't sleep her, just like clients on my pill I'm like,

639
00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:12.519
why might I do? Missed myself. Leonardo Campos was forty one.

640
00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:15.519
He lived in a baso with his wife, Mary Bell Loyam.

641
00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:18.039
She also died in the shooting. He grew up in

642
00:36:18.079 --> 00:36:21.559
San Juan, Texas, and his brother said about him, he

643
00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:24.559
always started to make people forget about their bad days.

644
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:27.480
And then a childhood friend of both of theirs said,

645
00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:31.400
I can't believe they became a statistic. They were doing

646
00:36:31.559 --> 00:36:34.880
back to school shopping for their grandchildren terrible, and their

647
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:38.800
dog was at the groomer and The only reason the

648
00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:43.000
far away for their away family realized that they were

649
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:45.719
they had lost their lives or they were murdered in

650
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:48.719
the shooting is because a dog roomor is called asking

651
00:36:48.920 --> 00:36:51.280
like this dog has not been picked up. And then

652
00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:55.239
so the brother of Madi Ben drove to the parking

653
00:36:55.239 --> 00:36:57.199
lot and came and then that's when he came across

654
00:36:57.280 --> 00:37:00.400
all the emergency vehicles that it was blocked off. Wow,

655
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:05.800
what a what horrible to find out. Yeah. Yeah. Kuan

656
00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:10.000
Velaskiz was seventy seven and he was with his wife,

657
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:13.719
Nico Lassa when the Suni began. They had just parked

658
00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:17.679
their car when the government approached. Nicolasa was shot in

659
00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:21.400
the face, but she survived the attack and Juan Velaskiz

660
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:27.639
died on the scene. Apparently, Nico Lassa had called her

661
00:37:27.679 --> 00:37:31.920
granddaughter Daisy right after they had been shot, and she

662
00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:35.400
was telling them call an ambulance. They're not coming fast enough.

663
00:37:35.599 --> 00:37:40.559
Oh my god. Gloria Iva Marquez was at the bank

664
00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:44.400
inside Walmart when the Suni began, and her husband had

665
00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:47.079
called out to her because he was there too, to

666
00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:49.519
move away because they had he had seen the guy

667
00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:52.880
walk into the store, but she didn't get a chance

668
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:59.960
to wow. Maria Henya Legaretta Roth. She was a Chiwawa,

669
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:03.679
Mexico resident. She had been an Apasso to pick up

670
00:38:03.679 --> 00:38:06.480
her teenage daughter from the airport, but she had just

671
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:09.800
stopped at the airport to grab a few things before

672
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:13.920
heading there to pick up her daughter. She stopped at Walmart. Sorry,

673
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:16.719
what did I say, the airport? Oh my god? Sorry, yeah,

674
00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:19.920
so she stopped at Walmart before going to the airport

675
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:22.199
to pick up her daughter. So again, she was just

676
00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:24.400
there for a quick stop. There was a post on

677
00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:29.360
Facebook from the Migrant Ministry of Chihuaua and they said

678
00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:31.920
about her, just as just as you have always been

679
00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:35.480
in solidarity with migrants, today our entire team embraces you

680
00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:41.639
with the same solidarity. Sarda Esther Regalado and Adolfo Serros

681
00:38:41.719 --> 00:38:45.519
Ernandez were both from Suarez, Mexico, and they were just,

682
00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:48.840
you know, shopping like every I mean, like so many

683
00:38:48.880 --> 00:38:52.920
people were, Yeah, just going about the day. Their daughter,

684
00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:57.039
Sandra wrote about them, I don't know how long it

685
00:38:57.039 --> 00:38:59.599
will take for my soul to heal. Your deaths leave

686
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:02.159
us with a great vacuum. I'm so grateful I was

687
00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:06.760
your daughter. Rest in peace, my beloved parents, and their

688
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:10.639
granddaughter wrote as well that they certainly didn't deserve this,

689
00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:14.119
and yeah, no one. I mean, of course, it's just

690
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:20.039
no one does. Yeah, it's such a violent, horrible way

691
00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:24.239
to go. Yeah. Margie Record was sixty seven. She was

692
00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:29.079
shopping and about her her husband of twenty two years.

693
00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:32.840
Oh my god, such a long time. Yeah, Tony. He

694
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:37.440
told news for in San Antonio that he knows she's

695
00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:40.280
looking down and smiling at them, and that she was

696
00:39:40.599 --> 00:39:43.519
the best wife. And I mean there was no one

697
00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:48.320
else like her, like in the world. Evan Philiberto Manzano

698
00:39:48.519 --> 00:39:51.519
was forty one. He was ac Da quad Is native

699
00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:55.800
and he was known as a hard worker, exceptionally devoted

700
00:39:55.840 --> 00:39:58.400
to his wife and his two children. One of his

701
00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:02.639
co workers said that he was the best father and

702
00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:06.400
he was just always working hard. From them, he said,

703
00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:08.360
it didn't matter what the hour was, he was in

704
00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:10.280
the office or in the field, taking care of his

705
00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:14.920
projects to provide for his family. Jorge Calvillio Garcia was

706
00:40:14.920 --> 00:40:17.800
sixty one. He was visiting al Paso to see his

707
00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:22.599
son Louise and granddaughter Emily. They were outside raising money.

708
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:26.000
They were part of the soccer team, and he shielded

709
00:40:26.199 --> 00:40:30.199
the girls and his nephew, and that's how he died.

710
00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:37.400
It's just terrible, it really is. Maria Flores seventy seven

711
00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:42.360
and Dragune Flores eighty three were They were from southern California,

712
00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:44.760
but they had retired in al Paso and they had

713
00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:49.119
been together for sixty years. Wow, that's a whole lifetime. Yeah.

714
00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:52.639
They were purchasing ara beds for a family that was visiting.

715
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:55.480
That's why they were at Walmart, their son. You know.

716
00:40:55.639 --> 00:40:58.639
He told news reporters that when he first saw what

717
00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:00.519
was happening, he was so desperate to reach them, but

718
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:03.599
they weren't asking their phones and that's when he realized, like, oh,

719
00:41:03.639 --> 00:41:08.039
they must be dead. I can't imagine the desperation. Yeah,

720
00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:10.719
the worst thing you can go through. Alexandra Hoffmann was

721
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:13.880
sixty six. He was born in Germany, but he had

722
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:17.039
lived in squares for more than forty years because he

723
00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:24.880
apparently loved Mexico. Wow. He considered himself a Mexican and

724
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:28.760
Mexico yeah, and Mexico was his second home. That's where

725
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:31.840
he met his wife, that's where they raised their children.

726
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:35.320
That's where he lived and he would occasionally go into

727
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:38.400
a passo for again, like everyone else every day thing.

728
00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:41.840
Just I read them and I'm like, that's he he was.

729
00:41:42.639 --> 00:41:45.480
He was throwing the godness that he wasn't just invited,

730
00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:50.159
he was throwing the host. Yeah. Theresa Sanchez eighty two.

731
00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:54.039
She was a retired biology teacher and she had been

732
00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:56.800
living in an Apasso for thirty years. I think she

733
00:41:56.960 --> 00:41:59.559
I believe she's the oldest that was killed that day.

734
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:06.760
Was she eighty two? Wow? Dillermo Memo Garcia, he actually

735
00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:09.800
died nine months after the shooting. He was shot that day,

736
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:12.440
but he went to the hospital. He had countless surgeries

737
00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:15.559
and he unfortunately the whole nine months after is when

738
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:18.440
he passed away. Wow. He was helping sell lemonade with

739
00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:21.159
his wife and for their kids soccer team. And yeah,

740
00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:24.360
that's everyone that passed away or that was killed that

741
00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:28.519
day as and I remember that. As information started coming out,

742
00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:31.320
that's when we learned more about the gunman and that

743
00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:36.159
this was specifically done to target Mexicans. The gunman drove

744
00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:40.840
from his hometown of Allen, Texas to El Paso. How

745
00:42:40.840 --> 00:42:45.519
far are they This was six hundred and fifty miles. Wow, that's,

746
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:48.159
like I want to say, over an eight hour drive.

747
00:42:48.679 --> 00:42:51.599
And so I mean he had time to stop, turn

748
00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:54.960
back around and not do it right. That is plenty

749
00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:57.840
of time. Yeah, but that was like his full intentions

750
00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:01.519
from the beginning. Yeah. He wrote a manifesto that he

751
00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:05.400
titled The Inconvenient Truth. This was posted on eight chan,

752
00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:09.519
which is worse than four chan. Oh my god, taken down. Yeah,

753
00:43:09.639 --> 00:43:12.800
like hoppy, you get worse, Yeah, and you can. In

754
00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:17.519
this manifesto, the gunman cited the far right conspiracy theory

755
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:19.719
that's just a bunch of like, I mean, it's a

756
00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:21.639
bunch of fake ass shit, Like it's not none of

757
00:43:21.639 --> 00:43:23.719
it is true. But they call it the Great the

758
00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:27.480
great replacement, right, do you want to like to find

759
00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:29.400
that really quick? If anyone doesn't know what it is.

760
00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:32.199
I mean, this is just off the top of my head,

761
00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:36.960
but I believe it's like when people think that, well,

762
00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:40.679
when white people think that they're being replaced by minorities,

763
00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:43.559
quote minorities, people of color. I mean outside of that,

764
00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:45.639
I don't know that there's more to it. Yeah, and

765
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:48.440
then they're going to be outnumbered and like writing polls

766
00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:53.880
and all that. Yeah. And again it's like this completely ridiculous, hateful,

767
00:43:54.880 --> 00:43:59.840
not true thing. So he cited or he used language

768
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:03.760
about immigrants in the same way that then President Donald

769
00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:08.280
Trump referred to Mexicans. He you know, was calling citing

770
00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:11.920
a Hispanic invasion, not to mention all the like other

771
00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:15.800
trash that you know, Trump has said about Mexicans, like oh,

772
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:18.960
they're not sending their best, They're sending rapists and thieves

773
00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:22.639
and criminals, and like he's out here literally saying the

774
00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:26.400
same shit right now. Yeah. But also on top of

775
00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:31.320
all that, most asylum seekers are South American, Central and

776
00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:34.760
South American these days, they're not even Mexican. Yeah, again,

777
00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:39.480
that doesn't matter to these people. We're all Mexican and

778
00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:42.679
we're all like, you know, garbage according to them, including

779
00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:46.480
being born here. Like they do not set you aside

780
00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:50.960
from the group of like dirty Mexican immigrants, like you

781
00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:55.239
are in the same group, Which is why I think

782
00:44:56.119 --> 00:44:58.679
Trump is the dumbest shit in the world. Yeah, it is,

783
00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:01.079
because like, first of all, they don't want your ass either.

784
00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:03.440
They weren't throw your ass out of the country if

785
00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:08.039
they could too. Literally they've said it. It doesn't farewell

786
00:45:08.239 --> 00:45:11.400
to side with them because they don't want you. No,

787
00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:13.440
they think you're dirty, just like the rest of us.

788
00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:16.119
So you might as well not. Yeah, it's like you're

789
00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:18.840
writing so hard for a person that would that literally

790
00:45:18.960 --> 00:45:23.000
called for people to harm you. Yeah, because I think

791
00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:26.440
there was like even a lawsuit that someone filed against

792
00:45:26.480 --> 00:45:29.360
Trump for saying like, oh, you know, beat these people up,

793
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:33.239
I'll pay for your lawyer pees or whatever. Like he

794
00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:35.800
has said this, and people were out here saying, no,

795
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:38.400
he never like called for the harm of Mexicans. And

796
00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:43.719
it's like, but it's like language has power, and language

797
00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:49.199
like that hateful, dehumanizing language, it does harm people, like

798
00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:54.159
look at what happens here exactly. And the gunman in

799
00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:58.679
his manifesto said that his beliefs pre date Trump and

800
00:45:58.679 --> 00:46:01.320
that Trump should not be blamed for the attack. Why

801
00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:07.079
is he writing that, Yeah, even after sorry, this gunman

802
00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:12.320
was not killed, right, just apprehended, apprehended. I mean, I

803
00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:15.760
imagine he went into this with intentions, you know, to

804
00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:17.920
carry it on until the end, like you know, I mean,

805
00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:22.400
I don't know, but even after you know, his guilt

806
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:25.360
and being caught, like his concern is, oh, it's not

807
00:46:25.400 --> 00:46:30.360
Trump's fault, Like how is somebody so deranged? Yeah, but

808
00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:32.480
also to be pointing out like, oh, by the way,

809
00:46:32.679 --> 00:46:35.159
this is how I've always saw like this. Literally, this

810
00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:37.679
to me reads as like maybe I've done this before,

811
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:43.519
but like Trump being president, gave me permission. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

812
00:46:43.719 --> 00:46:46.280
He also stated in his manifesto that he wanted the

813
00:46:46.280 --> 00:46:49.400
shooting to serve as an incentive for Hispanics to leave

814
00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:52.159
the United States. He literally wrote, this attack is a

815
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:55.039
response to the Hispanic invasion of Texas. They are the

816
00:46:55.079 --> 00:47:01.639
instigators Hispanic invasion of its ridiculous people that are like

817
00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:06.159
Hispanic have been there before Texas was even you know,

818
00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:08.599
part of the United States. Yeah, he said, they are

819
00:47:08.599 --> 00:47:11.599
the indigenous people that of course, you know what I mean,

820
00:47:11.719 --> 00:47:16.000
like just ridiculous. Yeah, I am simply defending my country

821
00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:19.599
from cultural and ethnic replacement being brought on by the invasion.

822
00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:22.840
This is not your country. This is never your country.

823
00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:26.599
First of all. No, no, it wasn't, and it wasn't

824
00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:31.199
Mexico's either. It's it's indigenous land. Like, yeah, shut the

825
00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:33.639
fuck up. That's even that. Like I don't know all

826
00:47:33.679 --> 00:47:35.960
of us. There's just he was just so wrong on

827
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:41.760
so many Yeah, just hateful and wrong. Yeah. In February

828
00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:45.599
twenty twenty, the government was charged with ninety federal charges,

829
00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:49.159
including twenty two counts of committing a hate crime resulting

830
00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:52.480
in death, twenty two counts of use of firearm to

831
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:55.360
commit murder, twenty three counts of a hate crime involving

832
00:47:55.400 --> 00:48:00.000
an attempt to kill, and more. He first entered a place.

833
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:03.840
If not guilty, they tried to say, not guilty by

834
00:48:03.880 --> 00:48:08.400
reason of insanity. No, No, you don't write a whole manifesto,

835
00:48:08.599 --> 00:48:11.920
drive a whole six hundred plus miles. Yeah, And I

836
00:48:11.960 --> 00:48:14.880
remember when this first happened, they were like, oh, he

837
00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:17.599
was like mentally ill, and like, I'm I'm mentally ill,

838
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:20.119
you know, I see me. I do believe that something

839
00:48:20.159 --> 00:48:22.440
has to be wrong with you in order to be

840
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:24.719
able to do things like that. But that's not the

841
00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:28.800
you know, it's it's not an excuse, it's not you know,

842
00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:31.199
the sole reason. Ever, Like I feel like the main

843
00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:34.039
thing is usually has to do with the hate. Yeah,

844
00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:37.480
and that's that's what it was here. Yeah. Yeah. They

845
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:40.320
kept like putting out, oh, his because the apparently the

846
00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:44.639
gunman's father was like a counselor, no, like a psychiatrist, psychologist,

847
00:48:44.679 --> 00:48:48.119
I don't really them. Yeah, and they kept like, oh,

848
00:48:48.159 --> 00:48:50.119
how could he miss the science of mental illness? That

849
00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:57.960
would like lead to this, but this was the hateful radicalization, right, Yeah,

850
00:48:58.039 --> 00:49:00.920
that's what this was. Like. Yeah, so yeah, his first

851
00:49:01.119 --> 00:49:03.719
uptemp out of please was not guilty, and the trial

852
00:49:03.920 --> 00:49:08.480
was held up because of COVID because this was twenty nineteen, right.

853
00:49:08.719 --> 00:49:13.159
So finally, on February eighth, twenty twenty three, he pleaded

854
00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:16.840
guilty to ninety federal murder and hate crime charges. He

855
00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:21.360
was sentenced to ninety consecutive life sentences on July seventh,

856
00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:23.800
twenty twenty three. And I'm pretty sure that at first,

857
00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:25.760
like the death penalty was on the table, but then

858
00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:30.599
it was withdrawn. But it is Texas, Like, yeah, of

859
00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:33.920
course it wasn't on the table, right, And after the shooting,

860
00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:37.159
the community of Apaso really you know, came together. There

861
00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:42.440
was fundraisers, but also protests when Trump visited Apaso, because

862
00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:47.320
this is kind of your fault because the yeah, the

863
00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:50.840
blatant because I mean, as we all know, racism has

864
00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:53.880
always been a part of this country. Isn't grained in

865
00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:58.400
this country. This country was created, you know, through racism,

866
00:49:58.719 --> 00:50:02.519
so it's nothing new, of course, but the blatant discussing

867
00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:07.840
like racist words that Trump felt fine and people accepted

868
00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:12.960
saying it justified in people's you know, minds, it justified

869
00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:17.119
their own racism and their own hatred, and it became

870
00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:21.440
like more acceptable in their eyes to be outright blatantly

871
00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:25.280
racist to people, and so like words and behavior like that,

872
00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:29.320
it drives this kind of violence. And like, I mean,

873
00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:31.639
after it first happened, they were trying to like say, oh,

874
00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:34.519
he's not to be blamed for this, but like, look

875
00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:37.679
at how he can campaign the things he was saying

876
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:41.239
specifically about Mexican people. Yeah, why was this person targeting

877
00:50:41.280 --> 00:50:48.159
specifically Mexicans? Right, it's yeah, and it's literally happening right now. Yep,

878
00:50:48.440 --> 00:50:53.639
there's people holding up signs that say mass deportations. Now,

879
00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:59.440
just just ridiculous. He literally just went on some other

880
00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:02.880
like I don't know, speech or something now moving I mean, now,

881
00:51:03.079 --> 00:51:05.639
I guess finally accepting that there's more than just Mexicans,

882
00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:09.079
because he also said, like a Salvador, there are no

883
00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:16.000
criminals for us. Yeah, we're being recognized finally, right representation

884
00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:20.920
question mark? Yeah, right, but yeah, this basically just happened.

885
00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:23.000
It has not been that many years, and he's out

886
00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:28.239
here repeating the same rhetoric that this person fully embraced. Yeah. Yeah,

887
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:32.920
it just it's you know, my god, I can't talk infuriating. Yeah,

888
00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:36.559
thank you, thank you. Let me go back to the response.

889
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:40.719
I guess. So there was fundraising concerts by locals, just

890
00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:44.039
like a big move to help everyone. But also the

891
00:51:44.119 --> 00:51:47.880
prison I mentioned earlier that had saved the baby Paul

892
00:51:48.280 --> 00:51:51.119
and went back in to save countless of people. He

893
00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:55.199
was found too. His name is lasro Ponse. Wow. He

894
00:51:55.239 --> 00:51:57.039
grew up here in this area all his life and

895
00:51:57.079 --> 00:51:59.559
he's been going back and forth from Aguadis and I'll

896
00:51:59.559 --> 00:52:03.800
pass a living in both from childhood. But he was homeless,

897
00:52:03.880 --> 00:52:06.519
unhoused at the time of this. Him and his wife

898
00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:09.400
had set up a tent next to the Sam's Club

899
00:52:09.480 --> 00:52:12.360
that was next to the walmart. Wow, and when he

900
00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:17.199
heard gunshots he ran inside and like saved people. Wow.

901
00:52:17.679 --> 00:52:22.840
Just unbelievable. Yeah. Every time, you know, we talk about

902
00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:27.480
things like this, I'm just amazed at the humanity and

903
00:52:27.519 --> 00:52:33.400
bravery you know of regular ordinary people, you know, living

904
00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:37.880
their regular, ordinary lives and being forced to you know,

905
00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:42.000
survive and being forced to protect their loved ones exactly.

906
00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:46.000
And that's what matters here. That's what's important, not what

907
00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:49.599
the shitty president is going to say not when he's

908
00:52:49.639 --> 00:52:52.199
going to show up to make face, because that's what

909
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:55.719
he did. His ass was like golfing when it all happened.

910
00:52:56.039 --> 00:52:58.800
It took him days to get to El Paso. People

911
00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:02.880
refuse to meet him or meet with him, and I

912
00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:06.800
don't blame them. I don't. I wouldn't have either neither neither, Like,

913
00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:10.840
how can you show up to this place where people

914
00:53:11.519 --> 00:53:14.559
brown people, brown Mexican people have lost their lives because

915
00:53:14.599 --> 00:53:17.800
of the shit that comes out of your disgusting fucking mouths,

916
00:53:18.239 --> 00:53:22.280
like and hateful, hateful people are inspired by you and

917
00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:26.719
your ugly ass. You know, and killed people, commit harm

918
00:53:26.800 --> 00:53:29.280
to people, and then they have you have the gall

919
00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:35.079
to show your discussing face in that city. Yeah. Yeah,

920
00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:37.119
if I would have gone, I would have thrown hands

921
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:39.320
and then I would have been arrested. Things I would

922
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:43.519
have done that I cannot say, but yeah, So I

923
00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:46.760
do want to read statements from family members during the

924
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:51.400
gunman's trial. So, like I mentioned earlier, Andre and Jordan Antoto,

925
00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:55.440
they were both killed that day. Andre's sister Deborah, read

926
00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:58.239
a letter on behalf of baby Paul, who was two

927
00:53:58.239 --> 00:54:02.639
months old when the shooting happened, and she wrote that

928
00:54:03.039 --> 00:54:08.119
he misses his father and like it's just this was

929
00:54:08.119 --> 00:54:13.360
also when necessary. Yeah. Andre's brother, Tito, he said that

930
00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:16.360
after his brother was killed, their father was full of

931
00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:20.199
heartache and he was a patriarch of the family and

932
00:54:20.599 --> 00:54:23.599
he just you know, found it so hard to move on.

933
00:54:24.280 --> 00:54:28.519
He has since died since the shooting, and he did

934
00:54:28.599 --> 00:54:31.760
tell the family that he had forgiven the shooter for

935
00:54:31.880 --> 00:54:35.159
killing his youngest son. He said, I forgive him, but

936
00:54:35.199 --> 00:54:39.119
I won't forgive the devil inside him. Marie bell So

937
00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:43.039
Marie bell Randezloya and her husband, Leonardo Campos, were both

938
00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:46.320
killed in the shooting. Her son told the gunman in

939
00:54:46.360 --> 00:54:49.840
his statement, he's tried so bad to forget what he's done.

940
00:54:50.239 --> 00:54:53.559
I hope God can one day forgive you. I really

941
00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:56.840
hope you think about what you've done. Alfredo, Marie Bella,

942
00:54:56.920 --> 00:55:00.199
Naz's brother said that he was filled with sadnes is

943
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:02.639
because he can't celebrate holidays with his sister and brother

944
00:55:02.679 --> 00:55:05.639
in law, and that his sense of security is gone now.

945
00:55:05.960 --> 00:55:07.920
Every time he goes out in the public, he's on

946
00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:10.440
the lookout for psychos like the gunman, and then he

947
00:55:10.920 --> 00:55:13.440
told him, I hate that you're alive, eating and sleeping.

948
00:55:13.639 --> 00:55:16.639
I wish you all the suddenness in the world. David Johnson.

949
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:21.599
So his relatives also spoke. They his daughter, Stephanie Melendez,

950
00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:23.960
said that or told him or she had, I guess

951
00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:26.159
all these other things planned to say, but when the

952
00:55:26.239 --> 00:55:28.760
moment came, she was like, I can't even find the words.

953
00:55:28.760 --> 00:55:31.280
I just want to tell you that in your active hatred,

954
00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:34.480
you took a good man. Her own daughter was with

955
00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:39.320
her grandparents. They died protecting her, and she survived the shooting.

956
00:55:39.599 --> 00:55:43.519
She's never been the same obviously, I mean, how could you. Yeah,

957
00:55:43.719 --> 00:55:46.639
she said, you showed her evil, you showed her monsters

958
00:55:46.679 --> 00:55:49.280
do exist outside of storybooks. I want you to remember

959
00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:52.000
my daughter's crimes. I want them to haunt you. And

960
00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:57.000
her daughter also spoke. The survivor. She said, I shall

961
00:55:57.039 --> 00:56:00.920
not ever forgive you. And then Raymond and the son

962
00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:03.960
in law or sorry brother in law. He said, I

963
00:56:03.960 --> 00:56:05.840
don't know what kind of people raise you to be

964
00:56:05.880 --> 00:56:08.320
this kind of person. Shame on your parents. And then

965
00:56:08.360 --> 00:56:11.880
he also said, oh, Kathleen Johnson, she survives. She's David

966
00:56:11.960 --> 00:56:15.400
Johnson's wife. She said that she's had countless hours of

967
00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:18.239
counseling to deal with PTSD. She doesn't know if she'll

968
00:56:18.280 --> 00:56:20.599
ever be the same, if that's even possible, and that

969
00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:23.000
she has to remind herself every day that she's safe

970
00:56:23.039 --> 00:56:26.159
from the gunman. That there are days she cannot get

971
00:56:26.159 --> 00:56:29.119
out of bed. And then she also said that even

972
00:56:29.199 --> 00:56:32.199
though she took her husband's life, she can't take the

973
00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:37.559
memories and joy from when he lived. And then Alexander

974
00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:44.480
Hoffman's family, the honorary Mexican who lived in Mexico all

975
00:56:44.519 --> 00:56:48.559
his life. His son said, you're an evil parasite to

976
00:56:48.639 --> 00:56:52.440
the gunman, and that he destroyed her family. That his

977
00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:54.760
father and mother had been together for more than forty

978
00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:58.079
years and that they were a small but happy family,

979
00:56:58.280 --> 00:57:00.639
and he killed his father in such a hourly way,

980
00:57:01.079 --> 00:57:03.440
and that he was also ignorant for not knowing that

981
00:57:03.639 --> 00:57:07.800
immigrants bring jobs and spend money. And he told them

982
00:57:07.840 --> 00:57:10.000
that he hopes every night he thinks about the people

983
00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:12.360
he shot, and that he can't fall asleep. He said,

984
00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:16.800
you're a coward and a mistake of society. Wow. His

985
00:57:17.320 --> 00:57:20.119
daughter Elise went out to say that he loved watching

986
00:57:20.199 --> 00:57:23.880
James Bond and Star Trek movies and that he died

987
00:57:23.920 --> 00:57:27.159
not knowing that his grandson took in his footsteps and

988
00:57:27.199 --> 00:57:30.880
got or pursued an engineering degree after high school, and

989
00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:34.039
that the killer robbed them all of an opportunity to

990
00:57:34.079 --> 00:57:39.239
grow to live, you know, with their father. Berta Patricia Benavides,

991
00:57:39.559 --> 00:57:42.639
the wife of Arturo Benavidez, the army veteran city bus

992
00:57:42.679 --> 00:57:44.800
driver who loves to talk about his time in the army.

993
00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:48.880
She said that they had been together for thirty four

994
00:57:48.960 --> 00:57:52.199
years and that he left her all by herself because

995
00:57:52.239 --> 00:57:58.880
they didn't have kids. I know, I'm like, and that

996
00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:02.559
she'll never get it. She has fallen into depression. She

997
00:58:02.639 --> 00:58:06.320
misses her husband every single day. And she told him,

998
00:58:06.320 --> 00:58:08.760
I have one question, why did you do it? And

999
00:58:08.800 --> 00:58:11.320
she then she so answers her own question. She said,

1000
00:58:11.400 --> 00:58:13.360
because you don't know the Lord. You've never gotten close

1001
00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:17.199
to the Lord. I mean, because he's a hateful person. Yeah.

1002
00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:22.599
Christopher Morales, the grandson of Sanchez, the eighty two year

1003
00:58:22.599 --> 00:58:25.000
old who was killed that day, and he said he

1004
00:58:25.039 --> 00:58:27.440
had just gotten a ticket to visit because he lives

1005
00:58:27.480 --> 00:58:30.280
in Las Vegas and he was supposed to go visit,

1006
00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:32.719
and he was on he was the one on the

1007
00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:36.719
phone with her, and so he told the gunman that

1008
00:58:37.039 --> 00:58:38.719
he still gets to eat three meals a day and

1009
00:58:38.760 --> 00:58:42.199
talk to his family. And when the gunman got like

1010
00:58:42.199 --> 00:58:45.400
like nodded as he was saying this, then he got

1011
00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:47.400
like super mad at him, and he told him, you

1012
00:58:47.440 --> 00:58:49.480
get to suck dick in prison, you get to be

1013
00:58:49.519 --> 00:58:52.559
a little bitch. Damn. I just love that because I'm like,

1014
00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:55.760
I wish that's like I can't even imagine being disclosed

1015
00:58:55.760 --> 00:58:57.719
as someone who did this and like not being able

1016
00:58:57.760 --> 00:59:00.880
to just like deck him in the face. Yeah. Yeah,

1017
00:59:00.920 --> 00:59:02.480
And I get it. I mean I get it, you

1018
00:59:02.519 --> 00:59:04.440
can't just go out here punching people, but like I

1019
00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:07.559
can't just can't imagine seeing this person like not and

1020
00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:10.280
you're like, are you are you serious right now? Yeah?

1021
00:59:10.400 --> 00:59:14.599
It just to me because apparently the gunman smirked and

1022
00:59:14.639 --> 00:59:17.960
nodding his head. I mean, yeah, I can't imagine the

1023
00:59:18.079 --> 00:59:20.679
rage that you must feel at that. And so, like,

1024
00:59:20.960 --> 00:59:24.199
you know, whatever comes out comes out. I will say

1025
00:59:24.519 --> 00:59:27.800
that I've never been a fan of that thing that

1026
00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:30.840
people say. Of course, even of I don't know, like,

1027
00:59:30.920 --> 00:59:34.519
no matter how discussing you know someone is innocent. People

1028
00:59:35.280 --> 00:59:38.440
do go to prison, people that come in non violent

1029
00:59:38.960 --> 00:59:43.360
crimes go to prison, and so that joke, you know,

1030
00:59:43.519 --> 00:59:46.559
quote joke of oh may get raped in prison or her,

1031
00:59:46.639 --> 00:59:49.519
they'll get what's coming to them. Don't drop the soap,

1032
00:59:49.639 --> 00:59:56.159
like I find that not okay and so but of course,

1033
00:59:56.199 --> 00:59:59.840
I mean this person was in their feelings, and you know,

1034
01:00:00.199 --> 01:00:02.440
it is what it is. You can't control sometimes what

1035
01:00:02.519 --> 01:00:05.000
you say. Yeah, yeah, I mean I can't even like

1036
01:00:05.239 --> 01:00:07.320
yeah just to seem smirk, you know, like to me,

1037
01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:11.159
it shows that he doesn't care. He never cares. Yeah.

1038
01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:14.760
The reason people are able to commit these violent, violent

1039
01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:19.559
crimes against usually against people of color, black people, brown people,

1040
01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:23.280
and women and women of color included in that of

1041
01:00:23.280 --> 01:00:27.679
course as well, is because they don't see us as people.

1042
01:00:28.159 --> 01:00:31.280
They don't see us as people equal to them. And

1043
01:00:31.559 --> 01:00:36.159
it's where you know, that dehumanization piece comes in and

1044
01:00:36.239 --> 01:00:40.920
why words of hatred, like the words that come out

1045
01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:46.280
of Trump's mouth are exactly dangerous. Yeah, Like it's not

1046
01:00:46.360 --> 01:00:50.639
just words, you know, you're endangering people's lives. Add that

1047
01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:55.800
to that, you know trans people and you know LGBTQ

1048
01:00:55.880 --> 01:01:00.440
plus people as well. Yeah. Ad Masano, wife of Ivan

1049
01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:04.960
Filiberto Manzano, she told him in Spanish that she took away,

1050
01:01:05.079 --> 01:01:09.280
her children's hero, their pillar of support, and that their

1051
01:01:09.400 --> 01:01:11.719
daughter is not going to have a father to give

1052
01:01:11.719 --> 01:01:13.719
her away at the wedding, their son is not going

1053
01:01:13.800 --> 01:01:16.559
to have someone to teach them to shave, learn how

1054
01:01:16.559 --> 01:01:19.559
to drive, and that she hopes her children won't grow

1055
01:01:19.639 --> 01:01:22.440
up with hatred toward the gunment and that they're able

1056
01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:25.400
to move on with their lives. And she added that

1057
01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:28.199
their dad and the kids are proud to be a

1058
01:01:28.239 --> 01:01:32.199
Mexican and that she is prior to have been part

1059
01:01:32.239 --> 01:01:35.400
of this Mexican family. Because that's why this person did it.

1060
01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:39.440
He was literally targeting specifically looking for Mexicans. That's why

1061
01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:43.599
he drove that many hours to do this. Yeah, Fancisco

1062
01:01:43.719 --> 01:01:48.199
Javier Rodriguez, he is the father of Javier Rodriguez, the

1063
01:01:48.199 --> 01:01:51.199
fifteen year old who was killed. He wore a T

1064
01:01:51.280 --> 01:01:55.199
shirt with his son's face for this trial and when

1065
01:01:55.280 --> 01:01:59.599
he was given his statement, he demanded for the government

1066
01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:03.719
to at his son at his shirt. The gunman shook

1067
01:02:03.719 --> 01:02:06.039
his head. No, that would have filled me with rage.

1068
01:02:06.400 --> 01:02:09.280
But oh my god, I can't seriously, I don't know

1069
01:02:09.320 --> 01:02:11.800
how he was then able to even just speak after this.

1070
01:02:12.159 --> 01:02:14.519
I don't know, but he said, you don't have the

1071
01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:16.280
balls to look at him. You had the balls to

1072
01:02:16.320 --> 01:02:18.679
shoot him. You drove eight hours to command a meat

1073
01:02:18.719 --> 01:02:22.639
crime without thinking of the damage you'd cause. And I'm

1074
01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:24.960
just I don't know how they would like any of

1075
01:02:24.960 --> 01:02:27.559
these people were able to go up there and face

1076
01:02:27.920 --> 01:02:31.360
look at this person and say all these things. The strengths,

1077
01:02:31.440 --> 01:02:36.079
the strength that it takes. Marg her ninety year old father,

1078
01:02:36.159 --> 01:02:39.559
Luis Wuanas, was killed and her mother was injured. She

1079
01:02:40.159 --> 01:02:43.079
told the gunman that his ignorance is what led him

1080
01:02:43.119 --> 01:02:46.400
to do something so hateful, so hurtful. And then she

1081
01:02:46.840 --> 01:02:50.360
also berated him during this trial for thinking that the

1082
01:02:50.440 --> 01:02:52.679
US was being invaded for immigrants, and she told him

1083
01:02:53.079 --> 01:02:56.280
that whoever taught him history should have done better. They

1084
01:02:56.320 --> 01:02:58.880
taught it wrong. And then she said Native Americans have

1085
01:02:58.960 --> 01:03:02.920
always been here after them before you and your American

1086
01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:05.960
settler homies rolled in. And to think about that when

1087
01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:09.280
you say you're defending your country. Yeah, and then she

1088
01:03:09.360 --> 01:03:11.679
told him people who hold racist views like him only

1089
01:03:11.719 --> 01:03:16.599
contribute to hate, while immigrants contribute to everything. She said

1090
01:03:17.360 --> 01:03:20.480
the following and this is the last thing that was said,

1091
01:03:20.519 --> 01:03:23.800
and I cannot believe like so she said, you were

1092
01:03:23.840 --> 01:03:27.119
so worried about immigrants taking away something from you. Well,

1093
01:03:27.159 --> 01:03:31.119
the only thing we're taking away today is your freedom. Wow.

1094
01:03:31.519 --> 01:03:34.599
And then she walked back to the bench and there

1095
01:03:34.679 --> 01:03:36.840
was like a roar of a blause after that. Wow.

1096
01:03:37.239 --> 01:03:39.400
And I also those were all the statements that were

1097
01:03:39.440 --> 01:03:41.519
read in the trial. But I also want to mention

1098
01:03:41.639 --> 01:03:44.159
because I think another thing that happened first twenty twenty,

1099
01:03:44.360 --> 01:03:48.119
so COVID hit almost right after this. And another thing

1100
01:03:48.159 --> 01:03:52.199
that kind of went like unspoken or really unfocused was

1101
01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:56.519
the Mexican victims of the shooting, because it wasn't just

1102
01:03:56.639 --> 01:04:01.159
Mexican American, right, Like literally people from Mexicans. Yeah, one

1103
01:04:01.239 --> 01:04:06.559
witness that her testimony was instrumental to piecing together the

1104
01:04:06.599 --> 01:04:10.400
path that the gunman took in the store. She was

1105
01:04:10.639 --> 01:04:14.760
deported after this. Oh my god, this is horrible. I

1106
01:04:14.800 --> 01:04:17.639
could not fucking believe it when I read that due

1107
01:04:17.679 --> 01:04:22.119
to a traffic violation. That's ridiculous. That's what I'm saying,

1108
01:04:22.199 --> 01:04:26.199
Like people don't understand that immigrants are less likely and

1109
01:04:26.320 --> 01:04:29.679
it doesn't matter, right, Like American citizens commit crimes and

1110
01:04:29.719 --> 01:04:32.400
they don't get sent to other countries, right because they

1111
01:04:32.440 --> 01:04:34.440
happen to have the privilege to be born here, but

1112
01:04:35.159 --> 01:04:39.360
immigrants are less likely to commit crimes because of the

1113
01:04:39.400 --> 01:04:42.800
fear of deportation. Imagine driving because you need to drive

1114
01:04:42.840 --> 01:04:46.719
in this country in most cities, driving to your daily activities, work,

1115
01:04:46.800 --> 01:04:50.599
whatever it is, and being afraid of doing anything wrong

1116
01:04:50.960 --> 01:04:53.639
at any point in time because you might get pulled

1117
01:04:53.679 --> 01:04:55.880
over and then deported. Like what the hell kind of

1118
01:04:55.880 --> 01:04:59.320
life is that? And our mother lived it, and we

1119
01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:03.719
lived in fear of, you know, her being over. Do

1120
01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:06.840
you remember when we crap, Like, no, we didn't crash,

1121
01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:10.719
so when in the freeway and because we're in the freeway,

1122
01:05:11.039 --> 01:05:13.239
she couldn't stop and rented the car in front. It

1123
01:05:13.280 --> 01:05:16.880
was like an accordion of your ends rear ending. Sorry,

1124
01:05:18.400 --> 01:05:21.960
I'm sorry according to rear ends. Okay, yes it was,

1125
01:05:24.320 --> 01:05:28.079
I'm so sorry. Anyway, we begged the policeman. Well, first

1126
01:05:28.119 --> 01:05:30.519
we begged the people in front of us, and today

1127
01:05:30.519 --> 01:05:32.880
I want to let us leave, to let us leave

1128
01:05:33.119 --> 01:05:35.559
because we didn't want the police to be there. We're like, look,

1129
01:05:35.599 --> 01:05:38.039
we got hit, like just pretend this van wasn't here.

1130
01:05:38.480 --> 01:05:41.559
They didn't do it. The police got there and we begged, cried,

1131
01:05:42.119 --> 01:05:45.079
pleaded for them not to do anything, so that our

1132
01:05:45.119 --> 01:05:48.679
mom wouldn't be deported and I think he nothing happened.

1133
01:05:48.679 --> 01:05:51.599
I think, yeah, yeah, but yeah, I mean, it's a

1134
01:05:51.599 --> 01:05:54.679
literal it's a true fear. And for her who she

1135
01:05:55.159 --> 01:06:01.119
survived this horrific crime that specifically targeted her. She survived

1136
01:06:01.119 --> 01:06:05.440
this and then she was deported. Are you furious? And

1137
01:06:05.559 --> 01:06:08.719
it turns out that a lot of the victims, survivors

1138
01:06:08.760 --> 01:06:13.400
of this white racist man that are Mexican citizens, cannot

1139
01:06:13.440 --> 01:06:19.880
get visas. Wowe survived the shooting. She has no feeling

1140
01:06:19.880 --> 01:06:22.199
in her left leg. She was at Walmart with her

1141
01:06:22.239 --> 01:06:25.639
aunt to buy school supplies that they could resell in Mexico. Later,

1142
01:06:26.960 --> 01:06:28.960
they were literally about to leave a store, but they

1143
01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:32.360
decided to stop to go to the bathroom. That's when

1144
01:06:32.440 --> 01:06:36.119
the gunman entered and when they heard the shots, and

1145
01:06:36.199 --> 01:06:40.480
her aunt and per obviously both highly traumatized. Her aunt

1146
01:06:41.440 --> 01:06:44.440
remembers praying to God that she was spared, and right

1147
01:06:44.480 --> 01:06:46.679
after that, Liliana was shot in the leg, and she

1148
01:06:46.760 --> 01:06:50.119
blames herself. Obviously it's not her fault, but she blames

1149
01:06:50.119 --> 01:06:53.960
herself for praying that, and she cannot get the image

1150
01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:59.639
of her knees bleeding out of her head. And then

1151
01:06:59.679 --> 01:07:03.039
before COVID happened, Liliana could at least cross the border

1152
01:07:03.119 --> 01:07:05.400
to receive free mental health care that was provided for

1153
01:07:05.440 --> 01:07:09.519
the survivors of the attack that has long disappeared. She

1154
01:07:09.559 --> 01:07:12.760
also needs special physical therapy that is only on this

1155
01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:17.239
side of the border. That is absolutely unacceptable. Yeah, and

1156
01:07:17.840 --> 01:07:21.599
since the shooting, she has severe anxiety and depression. She

1157
01:07:21.679 --> 01:07:24.159
cannot access that free help that is on the other

1158
01:07:24.239 --> 01:07:28.280
side because first, when twenty twenty happened, the border completely

1159
01:07:28.280 --> 01:07:30.800
closed I don't remember for how long. So that left

1160
01:07:30.800 --> 01:07:34.199
her without help. And now these services are slowly disappearing.

1161
01:07:34.679 --> 01:07:38.000
The funding has gone, and you know, there's still some

1162
01:07:38.159 --> 01:07:41.280
organizations out here that are like still providing care. The

1163
01:07:41.360 --> 01:07:45.400
Family Resiliency Center is still working with the Mexican consulate

1164
01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:48.360
to our for services and so people can finally go

1165
01:07:48.440 --> 01:07:51.679
back and forth again, which they weren't able to do.

1166
01:07:51.880 --> 01:07:55.880
Anna Vitela, she's another Mexican survivor of this shooting. She

1167
01:07:55.960 --> 01:07:58.719
has terrible nightmares ever since it happened. That caused her

1168
01:07:58.800 --> 01:08:02.159
to what the bend. She's severe. During the shooting, she

1169
01:08:02.239 --> 01:08:03.920
was shot and she passed out and her nine year

1170
01:08:03.960 --> 01:08:07.119
old son dragged her to safety. Oh my god, I

1171
01:08:07.320 --> 01:08:10.960
just people again, like they're put in these impossible situations,

1172
01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:14.159
traumatic situations, their lives are torn apart, and then they

1173
01:08:14.199 --> 01:08:16.520
can't even get the help that they need because of

1174
01:08:16.600 --> 01:08:20.720
this fake, made up border that so called Americans want

1175
01:08:20.760 --> 01:08:24.960
to enforce. When you're not really an American, right, like indigenous

1176
01:08:24.960 --> 01:08:28.720
people are from here, not you. Yeah, you're technically from Europe,

1177
01:08:28.720 --> 01:08:30.720
and maybe you should go back to where you came from.

1178
01:08:31.159 --> 01:08:32.439
Right If I were to take back to where I

1179
01:08:32.479 --> 01:08:34.600
come from, I would still be in North America. Where

1180
01:08:34.640 --> 01:08:36.760
would you be, Well, you know, I would be still

1181
01:08:36.760 --> 01:08:39.640
be in America, maybe also in Central America, but you

1182
01:08:39.680 --> 01:08:42.479
would be across the world in Europe. That's where your

1183
01:08:42.520 --> 01:08:46.960
ass would be exactly. And Anna Vitella, her son for

1184
01:08:47.079 --> 01:08:51.800
Christmas like two years ago, wrote that his wish, like

1185
01:08:51.920 --> 01:08:55.399
what he wanted from Alinho Jesus, was for his mom

1186
01:08:55.439 --> 01:09:00.640
to be herself again. Oh my god, I can't because

1187
01:09:00.680 --> 01:09:03.800
Safina Ki Menez she was at Walmart on the day

1188
01:09:03.800 --> 01:09:06.880
of the shooting to make funeral arrangements with a relative

1189
01:09:06.920 --> 01:09:10.640
because her husband had just passed away, and that's when

1190
01:09:10.680 --> 01:09:13.560
the gunman entered and so she survived, but she has

1191
01:09:13.600 --> 01:09:16.840
trouble leaving her home due to terrible panic attacks, and

1192
01:09:17.399 --> 01:09:20.680
like I said, these services that were provided to them

1193
01:09:21.079 --> 01:09:26.000
are getting more difficult to access now. The majority of

1194
01:09:26.039 --> 01:09:30.039
the Mexican survivors of this hate crime were not able

1195
01:09:30.039 --> 01:09:34.199
to get work permits, they were denied, you, visas denied,

1196
01:09:34.680 --> 01:09:36.840
and like I said, some of them were instrumental to

1197
01:09:37.039 --> 01:09:40.720
solving or to figuring out what happened that day. Yeah,

1198
01:09:41.039 --> 01:09:45.119
like Liliana Munos who was deported. Disgusting, absolutely diss I

1199
01:09:45.199 --> 01:09:48.079
just I can't believe it. And so yeah, the majority

1200
01:09:48.119 --> 01:09:50.960
of the Mexican survivors have tried applying for visas and

1201
01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:53.159
they've been denied. There's only like a certain amount of

1202
01:09:53.159 --> 01:09:56.159
the type of visa that they requested that is handed out,

1203
01:09:56.600 --> 01:09:59.760
and for that reason or for whatever reason, they've been

1204
01:09:59.800 --> 01:10:02.880
done every single time. Wow, And it's just like it

1205
01:10:02.920 --> 01:10:10.279
doesn't make any sense. They were targeted, yeah, by a

1206
01:10:10.319 --> 01:10:14.399
citizen of this country. They should be getting all the

1207
01:10:14.479 --> 01:10:17.960
help and whatever they need. Yeah, And I just can't.

1208
01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:21.039
I cannot believe that this is what happened to them,

1209
01:10:21.079 --> 01:10:24.720
that they won were deported or can't get help, can't

1210
01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:27.479
get the help that they need. So that I'm like,

1211
01:10:28.039 --> 01:10:31.479
I didn't know that yeah, me, neither. That just makes

1212
01:10:31.520 --> 01:10:35.520
me even I mean more angry. I'm gonna be looking

1213
01:10:35.560 --> 01:10:38.800
into the organization I mentioned. Maybe there's like a donation

1214
01:10:38.920 --> 01:10:42.319
link or something so that we can help out wherever

1215
01:10:42.359 --> 01:10:47.560
we can. Yeah, but yeah, that is the El Paso

1216
01:10:47.600 --> 01:10:52.720
shooting two eighteen, And yeah, I mean I wanted to

1217
01:10:52.720 --> 01:10:56.560
share it, especially because we are seeing the same hateful

1218
01:10:56.640 --> 01:11:00.640
rhetoric that it's twenty sixteen all over again. Stopped but

1219
01:11:00.840 --> 01:11:04.039
it's back. Yeah, And it's just I don't know. And again,

1220
01:11:04.079 --> 01:11:08.840
if you're Latino for Trump, you're fucking stupid. You're so stupid.

1221
01:11:09.319 --> 01:11:11.600
You're the stupidest person of them all. Like I don't

1222
01:11:11.600 --> 01:11:14.680
even have words to describe how fucking stupid you are. Yeah,

1223
01:11:14.800 --> 01:11:17.800
And it's just it's not in your like why why

1224
01:11:17.880 --> 01:11:20.800
when like against your own interest. Yeah, at the end

1225
01:11:20.840 --> 01:11:23.239
of the day, these people do not care. Like you're

1226
01:11:23.239 --> 01:11:25.600
out here like saying, oh well, immigrants blaue blah blah,

1227
01:11:25.800 --> 01:11:27.560
but kids in their ass and they would kick your

1228
01:11:27.560 --> 01:11:29.880
ass out of this country if they could. They would.

1229
01:11:30.239 --> 01:11:32.640
They would, like how many of them were campaigning like,

1230
01:11:32.720 --> 01:11:35.319
oh well, I would make it so that children of

1231
01:11:35.359 --> 01:11:39.079
immigrants actually get supported. And you know why, They've done it.

1232
01:11:39.359 --> 01:11:44.880
They have done it. This country has deported Mexican Americans.

1233
01:11:45.119 --> 01:11:49.119
It's like history repeats itself all the time. Yeah, and

1234
01:11:51.039 --> 01:11:54.239
I don't know. Everything's depressing. Yeah. All we have to

1235
01:11:54.279 --> 01:11:57.479
hold on to is our little ghost stories. Yeah, and

1236
01:11:57.680 --> 01:12:01.720
hug your family members, think about them. It's just all

1237
01:12:01.800 --> 01:12:04.079
around again. All we have to hold on to is

1238
01:12:04.319 --> 01:12:08.079
each other. Yeah, because that's what's gonna get us through

1239
01:12:08.119 --> 01:12:13.119
all this. Yes, that and ghost stories. Honestly, So, yeah,

1240
01:12:13.239 --> 01:12:16.600
this is an extra long episode. I'm sorry it is.

1241
01:12:16.640 --> 01:12:19.439
Actually I love I love extra long episodes. Me too.

1242
01:12:20.680 --> 01:12:23.159
But we have reached the end. We'll take a quick

1243
01:12:23.199 --> 01:12:26.800
break and come back for Spaghea recommendations. I actually do

1244
01:12:26.880 --> 01:12:29.399
have to pay for my Speakara recommendation, so I'm just

1245
01:12:29.399 --> 01:12:31.760
gonna sit here and be sad. So I want him

1246
01:12:31.800 --> 01:12:34.319
to stay and talk with me. Milott put his headphones

1247
01:12:34.319 --> 01:12:36.960
on and I'm just kidding, Melo, what do you have

1248
01:12:37.000 --> 01:12:46.720
to say? He's not talking? Okay, Milo, Okay, We're back

1249
01:12:46.840 --> 01:12:52.640
for Scoop Scooby Key, Scoopy say Scoopy. Bookie recommendations. Sorry,

1250
01:12:53.039 --> 01:12:57.119
do you have any Actually I do so. Last episode

1251
01:12:57.199 --> 01:12:59.680
I mentioned a book I started reading and actually described

1252
01:12:59.720 --> 01:13:03.800
their because I am accidentally reading too many books at once,

1253
01:13:04.000 --> 01:13:05.960
and you know, they're all jumbled up in my head.

1254
01:13:06.119 --> 01:13:11.079
But let me go to it. Where's my Libby, Libby Libby.

1255
01:13:11.319 --> 01:13:17.720
My recommendation is your local library. Okay, So last week

1256
01:13:17.760 --> 01:13:21.239
when I described the book as My Sister the serial Killer,

1257
01:13:21.239 --> 01:13:24.359
I think it's called meets Crying h Mart. That's actually

1258
01:13:24.439 --> 01:13:27.319
the description for the Eyes Are the Best Part by

1259
01:13:27.399 --> 01:13:30.720
Monica Kim, and I actually haven't started reading that book yet,

1260
01:13:30.800 --> 01:13:33.479
but it piqued my interest. Let me just describe like

1261
01:13:33.520 --> 01:13:36.000
the description so that people in case they're interested, but

1262
01:13:36.039 --> 01:13:39.119
I'll probably start reading it soon because I'm about ninety

1263
01:13:39.119 --> 01:13:41.840
percent done with the current book that I'm reading. So

1264
01:13:41.920 --> 01:13:45.199
it says Crying in h Mart meets my Sister the

1265
01:13:45.239 --> 01:13:48.880
serial Killer in this feminist psychological horror about the making

1266
01:13:48.960 --> 01:13:52.760
of a female serial killer from a Korean American perspective,

1267
01:13:53.159 --> 01:13:57.119
and then it describes g wants life tumbles into disarray

1268
01:13:57.159 --> 01:13:58.720
in the wake of her I'm not going to lie.

1269
01:13:58.720 --> 01:14:00.680
I saw the title and I then I checked it

1270
01:14:00.680 --> 01:14:03.399
out immediately. I didn't even see exactly what it was about.

1271
01:14:04.840 --> 01:14:07.520
Gi Want's life tumbles into disarray in the wake of

1272
01:14:07.560 --> 01:14:12.119
her appa's extra metal affair and subsequent departure, her mother distraught,

1273
01:14:12.319 --> 01:14:15.279
her younger sister hurt and confused, her college freshman grades

1274
01:14:15.399 --> 01:14:19.479
failing her dreams horrifying yet enticing in them. Jiwan walks

1275
01:14:19.479 --> 01:14:23.439
through bloody rooms, full of eyes, succulent blue eyes, salivatingly

1276
01:14:23.840 --> 01:14:26.359
blue eyes. That's a weird word I had never said before.

1277
01:14:26.920 --> 01:14:29.960
Eyes the same shape and shade as Georges, who is

1278
01:14:30.159 --> 01:14:34.640
UMA's obnoxious new boyfriend. George has already overstayed his welcome

1279
01:14:34.720 --> 01:14:38.319
in her family's claustrophobic apartment. He brags about his puffed

1280
01:14:38.399 --> 01:14:42.720
up consulting job Ogle's Asian waitresses while dining out, and

1281
01:14:42.800 --> 01:14:45.760
acts condescending toward ji Wan and her sister as he

1282
01:14:45.920 --> 01:14:50.640
deserves all of Umah's fawning autoation. No, George doesn't deserve

1283
01:14:50.680 --> 01:14:53.319
anything from her family. Jiwan will make sure of that,

1284
01:14:53.640 --> 01:14:56.359
and I agree with her. I have yet, and there's

1285
01:14:56.359 --> 01:14:59.000
a little bit more, but that's basically I think enough.

1286
01:14:59.479 --> 01:15:02.760
I hold on it. Okay, well, yeah, I hold is up,

1287
01:15:02.760 --> 01:15:04.800
and I need to start an asap because now it's due,

1288
01:15:04.880 --> 01:15:08.399
like in sixteen days. You're beating twenty books at the

1289
01:15:08.439 --> 01:15:12.119
same time. Some I am it's not. It was an accident. Okay.

1290
01:15:12.279 --> 01:15:14.840
And I'm about ninety percent done with the current book

1291
01:15:14.880 --> 01:15:17.800
that I'm reading, which is called that She is a Haunting.

1292
01:15:18.239 --> 01:15:22.399
That's the when you mistakenitely yes, described as this. So

1293
01:15:22.760 --> 01:15:26.000
this one, let me just pull that one up. It

1294
01:15:26.079 --> 01:15:29.520
is honestly, I like it. It is ya, but it

1295
01:15:29.560 --> 01:15:32.159
doesn't feel super hitea to me. I think I feel

1296
01:15:32.199 --> 01:15:33.640
like the only thing that makes a Hya is the

1297
01:15:33.720 --> 01:15:36.760
character is eighteen. She just graduated from high school. Oh

1298
01:15:36.840 --> 01:15:39.319
and sometimes you just need like a chill white a book.

1299
01:15:39.359 --> 01:15:40.880
You know, nothing wrong with that, but this is not

1300
01:15:40.920 --> 01:15:44.840
a chill ya book. But this is not chill Okay.

1301
01:15:44.920 --> 01:15:47.880
So she is a haunting. It made me think of

1302
01:15:48.000 --> 01:15:52.119
Mexican Gothic in that there's a house that is like haunted,

1303
01:15:52.199 --> 01:15:55.479
but there's more to the haunting. I love them. Yeah,

1304
01:15:55.520 --> 01:15:59.119
and there's like things of colonization. Love them. So yeah,

1305
01:15:59.279 --> 01:16:02.039
very much like it. Okay, I'm here. Four has the

1306
01:16:02.079 --> 01:16:04.039
three point forty rating. I would give it five out

1307
01:16:04.039 --> 01:16:06.880
of five. I've not done yet, though, Okay, Okay, so

1308
01:16:06.960 --> 01:16:09.640
then yeah, this one says a house with the terrifying

1309
01:16:09.720 --> 01:16:13.439
appetite haunts a broken family. In this atmospheric horror, perfect

1310
01:16:13.520 --> 01:16:16.479
for fans of Mexican Gothic, which, yes, I agree. Okay,

1311
01:16:16.600 --> 01:16:19.880
So this one says. When Jade Neugen arrives in Vietnam

1312
01:16:19.920 --> 01:16:22.359
for a visit with her restranged father, she has one

1313
01:16:22.399 --> 01:16:25.239
goal survived five weeks pretending to be a happy family

1314
01:16:25.279 --> 01:16:28.600
in the French colonial house, Ba is restoring. She's always

1315
01:16:28.640 --> 01:16:31.239
live to fit in, so she's straight enough. Vietnamea is

1316
01:16:31.359 --> 01:16:33.920
enough American enough. She can get out with the college

1317
01:16:33.960 --> 01:16:36.760
money he promised, But the house has other plans. Night

1318
01:16:36.800 --> 01:16:40.319
after night, Jade wakes up paralyzed. The walls exude a

1319
01:16:40.399 --> 01:16:43.600
thrumbing sound, while bugs leave their legs and feelers in

1320
01:16:43.600 --> 01:16:46.479
places they don't belong. She finds curious traces of her

1321
01:16:46.479 --> 01:16:49.520
ancestors in the gardens they once tended, and at night,

1322
01:16:49.640 --> 01:16:52.279
Jade can't ignore the ghosts of the beautiful bride who

1323
01:16:52.359 --> 01:16:56.000
leaves her cryptic warnings. Don't eat. Neither Ba nor her

1324
01:16:56.000 --> 01:16:59.760
sweet sister Lily believe that there's anything strange happening. With help,

1325
01:17:00.000 --> 01:17:02.920
I'm a delinquent girl, Jade will prove this house, the

1326
01:17:02.960 --> 01:17:05.600
home her family has always wanted, will not rest until

1327
01:17:05.600 --> 01:17:08.439
it destroys them. Maybe this time she can keep her

1328
01:17:08.439 --> 01:17:11.479
family together. As she roots out the house's rot, she

1329
01:17:11.560 --> 01:17:13.560
must also face the truth of who she is and

1330
01:17:13.600 --> 01:17:16.119
who she must become to save them all. Oh I

1331
01:17:16.159 --> 01:17:18.760
love it. I'm like, right, I'm almost wait. I'm I

1332
01:17:18.840 --> 01:17:21.439
did not alwait, It's already on my tbro. It's already

1333
01:17:21.479 --> 01:17:25.159
on hold at my library. There was a like three

1334
01:17:25.159 --> 01:17:29.560
month wait, and I'm gonna wait. I put an audiobook

1335
01:17:29.600 --> 01:17:32.680
on hold, another book by Abby Jimenez. I don't think

1336
01:17:32.680 --> 01:17:35.319
I talked about the book I read listen to because

1337
01:17:35.319 --> 01:17:40.800
it's not spooky, but I really liked it, right, yours truly? No,

1338
01:17:40.920 --> 01:17:44.119
yours truly? Yeah, okay, it was super cute. So then

1339
01:17:44.159 --> 01:17:46.359
I put Just for the Summer on a hold, and

1340
01:17:46.399 --> 01:17:51.039
I'm number nineteen and there's two copies in use. Yeah,

1341
01:17:51.680 --> 01:17:55.039
it's two weeks weeks long, the hold weeks Yeah okay,

1342
01:17:55.079 --> 01:17:57.319
So yeah, I don't have spooky recommendations. I do have

1343
01:17:57.399 --> 01:18:00.840
some updates before we go from this ex long episode,

1344
01:18:01.560 --> 01:18:06.439
So update number one. We will be recording our book

1345
01:18:06.439 --> 01:18:09.760
club episode very soon. Right, Yeah, I'm hoping to have

1346
01:18:09.800 --> 01:18:12.119
those nuts notes nuts, Oh my god, I'm hoping to

1347
01:18:12.199 --> 01:18:17.119
have those notes nuts on your mind apparently, I'm hoping

1348
01:18:17.159 --> 01:18:20.880
to have those notes done by a few days so

1349
01:18:20.920 --> 01:18:23.439
that we can record this and it can be out

1350
01:18:23.520 --> 01:18:26.039
in a couple of weeks at the latest. I need

1351
01:18:26.079 --> 01:18:27.680
to figure out how to do this. But I would

1352
01:18:27.800 --> 01:18:31.479
like to live stream these on Patreon and have our

1353
01:18:31.840 --> 01:18:35.319
strains the book club. Yeah. Oh that would be cool,

1354
01:18:35.720 --> 01:18:37.239
but I don't know how to do that yet, so

1355
01:18:37.600 --> 01:18:43.039
I have to look into that. Yeah, so that's in progress,

1356
01:18:43.079 --> 01:18:45.000
as in I have to will it be like chat?

1357
01:18:45.039 --> 01:18:46.680
What do you think that's what we could do chat

1358
01:18:46.760 --> 01:18:53.960
chat chat? Yeah, basically, can I get some notes? Yeah?

1359
01:18:54.000 --> 01:18:59.560
And then what what was my other update? I actually

1360
01:18:59.600 --> 01:19:03.319
don't know. We are gonna start doing episodes all in Spanish,

1361
01:19:03.359 --> 01:19:07.760
that's right. Yeah. We've already done it once for Historia's Unknown,

1362
01:19:08.079 --> 01:19:10.720
and I think it went pretty well. Someone did message

1363
01:19:11.479 --> 01:19:14.600
at Spooky Tales and said about the Spanish episode, Yeah

1364
01:19:14.680 --> 01:19:17.479
that we did great. Oh thank you. I was great,

1365
01:19:18.000 --> 01:19:24.840
me too. So we're gonna be doing that once? I said, yeah,

1366
01:19:24.880 --> 01:19:27.479
I see. Now we're gonna be doing it once a

1367
01:19:27.520 --> 01:19:29.479
month on a Spooky Taels. It's gonna be stories. We've

1368
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already talked about what should we do first? I was

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thinking last Oh, yes, I like mm hm, but also

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I sepos and both are pretty sure together. Yeah yeah,

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and then the sidings that we have found in then,

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so all that'd be fun, yeah, combine it. Yeah. So yeah,

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that'll probably be the first one. In the next couple

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of weeks, we'll record it, and from then on we're

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gonna be once a month. So I'm excited for that.

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And okay, I think those are my updates. If anyone

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wants to, If anyone's still here and you want to

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01:19:56.520 --> 01:19:59.239
see our vlog about Denver, it is on Patreon. You

1379
01:19:59.359 --> 01:20:01.520
can join the three dollars tier and that's when you

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01:20:01.520 --> 01:20:03.920
can see it. You could even do the free trial

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01:20:04.000 --> 01:20:05.760
and look at all our videos that were on there,

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because there's that vlog, and then there's one more from

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when we went to a hunted theater in Portland together.

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It's short compared to the Denver one. Oh and okay,

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I think that's it. Other than that, I'm still tired

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01:20:16.239 --> 01:20:19.439
from Denver, but still very inspired. Oh yeah, such a

1387
01:20:19.439 --> 01:20:23.560
good time. Yeah and okay, okay, we've talked about enough.

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I have to pee and go kempt I mean three times. Yeah,

1389
01:20:27.680 --> 01:20:32.119
breaks I've been holding it for no reason. What was

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01:20:32.159 --> 01:20:35.119
our listeners story about oh, I was gonna tie it

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01:20:35.159 --> 01:20:37.439
to a chatterw Negative or something like that. Oh okay, I

1392
01:20:37.479 --> 01:20:40.000
was gonna say, don't make makeshift Wiji boards in the

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01:20:40.039 --> 01:20:44.640
middle of school. Yeah no, let's stick to that. Yes, okay, yes,

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and say Swiki will get your ruin next time. Bye.