April 25, 2025

El Jardin de Italia & the Case of Myriam Fefer

El Jardin de Italia & the Case of Myriam Fefer

In Tegucigalpa, Honduras, a place that was once a normal home, then a restaurant and now different businesses. In this episode, Carmen shares the legend of el Jardin de Italiia and Cristina shares the case of Myriam Fefer from Lima, Peru. First they...

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(00:00:00) El Jardin de Italia & the Case of Myriam Fefer
(00:07:52) El Jardin de Italia
(00:14:14) The Case of Myriam Fefer
(00:38:51) Spooky Recommendations

In Tegucigalpa, Honduras, a place that was once a normal home, then a restaurant and now different businesses. In this episode, Carmen shares the legend of el Jardin de Italiia and Cristina shares the case of Myriam Fefer from Lima, Peru. First they read a listener story and end with spooky recommendations (in this episode, Sinners and Wicked are mentioned).

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Hi, this is Christina and Carmen and this is another

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episode of a Spooky Tale. It's a podcast for all

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things A Spooky Hunter places legend, smiths and trew crime

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in Latin America. Today we have a story from Ondudas

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and one from Oh my God, Where's Mine? From Oh

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Bedu my bad Wow, and we went from Peru. But

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before we get to that, we do have a listener story.

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But before that, we do have a listener story. And

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if you have a story that you want to send

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to us, you can email as Pooky Tees at gmail

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dot com. You can DM any of our socials. You

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can submit it on Discord, you can call it a

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Spooky hotline, or you can DM it on Instagram. Anyway,

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do you want to read this listener story? Okay? And

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this was sent to us via Instagram from Sikstom. All right,

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so here's some context. So my dad told the story

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to my whole family and me. My dad says that

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this story was told directly to him by my uncle,

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who was there on the night that this story takes place.

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My uncle was actually there to witness this. My uncle

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says this happened about twenty six years ago. So like

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in nineteen eighty nine. This story takes place in Mexico

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in the state of San Luis. I think it's San

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Luis Potosi. I think you're right. Anyway, anadancho close to

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the city of Matejola. My uncle's aunts and grandparents, and

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my cousins all lived on a ranch that was far

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from the main city and far from any other people.

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The dancho consisted of only our family members, and the

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nearest nanto with any people was around twenty miles away.

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My uncles and aunts used to get together in one

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of the living rooms to play lotria very late at night,

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almost every night. They would start like at ten pm

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and wouldn't stop till like three or four am. Wow

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it's a long game. Oh. They would play with actual money,

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so they were determined to finish out the rounds. There's

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your answer. Yeah. My grandparents would constantly complain by telling

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them that it was wrong to play lotria very late

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at night because it's somewhat of a gambling game, and

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playing it at three or four am. Would please do devil?

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I was gonna say, yeah, diabolical behavior. My uncles and

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aunts just shrugged off their warnings and they thought, Nah,

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they don't know what they're talking about. They're just saying

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old people things like outdated superstitions that aren't true and ridiculous.

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One night, my uncles and aunt were all gathered around

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playing O Threa again like usual, when all of a sudden,

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they heard knocking on the front door. The door was

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made completely out of wood except for a glass window

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piece close to the very top of the door, so

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that my uncles and aunts would be able to see

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who was knocking outside. That's medacine. My uncle went to

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go check the door to see who was knocking. He

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got to the door and lifted the mini curtain that

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was covering the window piece to look outside, and he

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saw a goat standing on her tine legs looking right

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back at him to the window. Get the fuck out.

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My uncle looked back at the rest of the family

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and said as a pincha chi Oh my god. He

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thought it was the actual chivo, and then he said,

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yok ambrelaway, you standing on its legs. Isn't that what

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he said? It's standing on my legs. Oh my god.

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Les knocked and he's like, it's the goat. It's hungry.

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The rest of the fam told him that they could

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just feed him after they finished plane and told him

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to come back. So my uncle went back and they

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kept playing for about another hour. It was now around

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one am when my uncles and aunts heard knocking on

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the door again, but this time it was louder. My

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uncle got up fast and went to go check the window.

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He looked outside and saw the goat looking right back

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at him. They made eye contact for about ten seconds,

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and then my uncle put the curtain down again so

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the goat couldn't look inside. The goat had a blank

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expression on its face, like it wasn't really hungry, that's

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the problem, and they just wanted to see what my

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uncles and aunts were doing inside. So it's not a

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hungry girl. It's just she's most as my teacher goat.

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It's a curious goat. My uncle thought to himself, stupid

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goat man, we feed right now. He walked back to

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the table and told the family, I can't believe they

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still think it's rather go okay. He walked back to

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the table and told the family that it was just

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a goat. It's just a good again, knocking like a

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regular goat does. Okay, twice knocking twice, so a few

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more hours passed. It was now around three or four am.

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My uncles and aunts had just finished plain oia and

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they were about to start putting it away, but they

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were interrupted by more knocking on the door. My uncle said,

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it's probably that stupid ass goat, and then he walked

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to the door. When he looked outside, he saw the

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goat again looking back at him. He said, yeah, boy, no,

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must hold on, slip on my boots on. He dropped

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the curtain and went to his room and put his

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boots on. As he was heading to the door to

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go outside and feed the goat, he walked by the

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family he was putting away little ta stuff and said, arachio,

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I'll be back. I'm going to feed the goat. When

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he got there, he saw something strange and got scared

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as fuck. The goat was already tied up to its

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regular wooden steak and there was food in its dish.

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My uncle was confused. This is because there was only

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one goat on all of our family's dancho, and the

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nearest dancho was over twenty miles away. What goat was

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knocking I don't know, and the animals of the other

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Danchos never walked onto the property of my uncles and aunts.

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He looked at the tied up goat as it was

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eating its food one last time, and then hurried back

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into the house. He walked and told everyone, Oh, yeah,

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bincha chiboo, the goats already tied up, y'all. What the

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hell's going on? Who knows? So then he asked everyone

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if one of them tied the goat. Everyone there said no,

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we didn't do it. But then another one and my

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uncle said, oh, wait, yeah, I told my son to

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go tie up the goat earlier today, like at seven

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or eight pm. My uncle, who went outside said exactly, so,

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what the fuck is that thing that was knocking? My

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other uncle and the rest of the family realized what

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he was trying to say, because they also saw the

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goat looking into the living room earlier, as my uncle

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had lifted up the curtain and moved out of the

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way so they could see it too. One of my

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aunts said maybe it was the devil, and the rest

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of my aunts and uncles agreed that was probably that

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it probably was, and they were all hell scared. They

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all stayed together that night and agreed to not play

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Lotia that often anymore. They also agreed to never play

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Lotoria at their ten PM. They told my grandparents about this,

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and my grandparents look scared when they heard it. My

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grandpa said, yeah, eski passa por sae, who is Mamala's

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see what happens when you guys play so late. Good

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thing you guys don't do that shit anymore. That's the

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whole story. Guys. I'm okay kind of scared that they're

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typing all of that. Thanks for making episodes, and I

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hope y'all keep making a lot more. I low key

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to avoid y'all's three crime episodes, but after hearing one

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of them, I started listening to all the crime ones

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y'all have made, and I really liked them all. Thanks

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for your time. I stay a spooky wow six, So

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thank you so much for the story. That's so creepy

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and that was Satanas for sure. That was satan for sure.

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For sure, it was creepy, but also funny. And what

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was really funny is that the goal was standing on

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a time like knocking and they were still like, yeah,

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just to goat you know what? It was either satan

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or a white chivo. Oh yeah, honestly both horrible. Yeah yeah, yeah,

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but like and not twice and they're still like, and

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it looked in the window, like, what kind of goes

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be here? Is that? That's so funny? Also, this had,

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this story had like everything that I love, a rancho,

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all the family ignoring, like a grandparent saying something, a

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warning and satan. Yeah. The only thing that would have

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made it even better would have been if the goat

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would have talked. If it would oh yeah, Also that

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would have been funny. The teeth one of that too. Yeah. Okay,

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now we'll get into the spooky story. So we are

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talking about had Italia famously not an Italian, not in

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Italy parentheses, not in Italy. Okay. Imagine sitting down at

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the local cafe, sipping on capsito when a couple asks

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to join you. They want you to be the third.

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What are they asking? They're asking to be your third

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I mean they're third, Okay, they're actually not asking that.

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You say sure because it's crowded and there really are

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in any other seats available, And luckily they turn out

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to be pretty cool and they don't ask you to

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be there, to be there. Half an hour goes by

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you're having a good time. When someone else taps your shoulder,

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they ask who you're talking to, because there's no one

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else at your table, at least no one alive. Yes,

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this was a ghost couple. You do not want to

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agree to be their third, even in eternal third. Yeah.

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This was apparently a common occurrence at Eljal, which used

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to be one of the first restaurants in the area.

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It's not in Italy but in It was founded in

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the nineteen thirties and then attracted tons of people young people,

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poets in intellectuals, professors, as coffee shops. Do you know, But

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these types of things had been happening for a long

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time before it was a cafe. It was a regular

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house built in the eighteen eighties. The owners sold it

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in nineteen thirty and it took three years for it

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to open as a two story cafeteria. The strangest part

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is that normally haunted places have a different backstory, like

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it was a hospital, a school, But this place was

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just a regular old house. During the three year construction phase,

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workers noticed things. Their tools would be moved, they would

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find nails buried in stones, things that were clearly not

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an accident. Their wooden boards would be moved, plus bricks

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and just too many things. They started to blame the

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previous owners, who may have cursed the place because they

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didn't want to sell but were forced to. Others said, no,

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it goes way back, because the previous owners definitely wanted

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to get rid of the house due to the paranormal

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experiences they had there. Oh, so this is before it

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was a restaurant, was already haunted something It's been haunted forever.

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According to l In, some Spanish men that arrived in

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Body years ago decided to hide some jewels and gold

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they had stolen. They dug a deep hole and left

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in a hurry. Sometime later they returned for their treasure,

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but when they returned they were killed on the spot.

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No one ever found their gold. This exact spot is

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where the house would be built. On top of that,

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it is said that if anyone tried to dig up

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the hidden treasure, they would meet the same fate as

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the Spaniards did. And this is where the paranormal occurrences began.

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So it's the Spanish is fault, the spanishes the Spaniard's fault.

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I didn't even question that. I was like yes, exactly.

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Fast forward to nineteen sixty there were only two customers there.

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They asked the waiter for two cups of coffee. The

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waiter walked up to them with their coffee, but when

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he brought them their coffee, their appearance changed and their

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eyes became more and more sunken, until they looked like

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skulds instead of a human face, and then they vanished

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to thit air. The waiter dropped the coffees, of course, understandably,

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so yes. On another occasion, the entire kitchen staff ran

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out of there because some entity was going crazy, just

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throwing all of their things around and turning off everything

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they turned on. This didn't calm down until they went

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to grab a priest to bless the place. Then, in

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nineteen sixty two, all the waiters watched one of their

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regular customers talking by himself for two hours wow. When

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he was leaving, they asked him, hey, are you okay,

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And the guy, who was a lawyer, was like, yeah,

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I'm okay. Why And that's when they told him that

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he was talking to himself for like two hours, and

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the lawyer almost fainted. He was shook. When he calmed down,

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he told the waiters that two men had walked up

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to him and asked if they could stay with him

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because there weren't any other seats, and he said yes,

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and they told him about a treasure. They knew where

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it was and they could help him dig it up.

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But he was like, oh no, it's okay, that's smart,

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just a picture that just like two random men walking

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up to you, like, hey, can we sit here? Also treasure?

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Do you win? You want to help us dig it

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out where it is? Are you not? Yes, they insisted,

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and then told them they could show me exactly where

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it was, but if he dug it up, he could

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be cursed because death himself was guarding this treasure. Well,

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no wonder, he said no. So yeah, he was like no,

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thank you, and the two men were like, okay, no

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worries and they shook the lawyers and handod bye. The

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light of that light. Yeah, he didn't put two and

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two together because once he was telling the waiterses, he

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remembered that their hands were super cold. Then, in nineteen

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seventy four, there used to be another building in front

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of the restaurant. A guard of that building heard a

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very loud noise coming from the restaurant. He walked over

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to check it out, and he looked through the window

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to see a very tall man, probably six feet tall,

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dressed in all black. The man was staring back at

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the guard. The guard then yelled out to him and

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decided to try and run after him. Then the tall

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man in black ran and vanished into a wall. The

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guard was never seen again. He probably quit that same

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night as what I although, honestly I would pick in

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there and just let him be, like, that's fine there,

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he's in there. I know I'm an empty bills, but

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then he probably would have never seen a vanage, you know,

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and then he's carred for life. Yeah, yeah, mind your

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business and you won't get haunted. In nineteen eighty, Italia

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closed down forever. Today it's divided into several businesses. The

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building is there, but it's not a two story cafe anymore.

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You can find a shoe store and a clothing store

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there now. But the stories continue, including a security guard

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who was recorded having a conversation with someone he sees,

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but the camera does not capture ghost. It was probably

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those two, those two again asking them if they want

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there's a treasure. We know exactly where it is are

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you down? Are you down down? What? Honestly I might say, yes,

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I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. Yeah,

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and yeah, that is Cafe Italia again, not an Italia famously,

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not an Italy famously, not an Italy. That was fun.

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It had like a restaurant a former legend of a

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bury treasure, which we love Burry treasures here. Okay, I

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mean everything, So that was fun. Wow. Yeah, all right,

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Well we'll take a little break here and then we'll

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come back with my story from Peru, and we're back.

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This following case shook not only Paru's small, tight knit

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Jewish community, but also the entire country. And I was

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shocked to just like not know that this happened, because

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I guess here in the US wouldn't really get like

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I feel like other countries know of the US's most

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like well known true crime cases, like they'll know about them,

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but I don't know about you know, right, other ones.

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So this is Peru's and this is the case of

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medium fefe. And here's the setting. It was a fresh

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August morning. There's a locked bedroom door, and inside that

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locked bedroom door, and inside that locked bedroom door, one

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of the most successful businesswomen in all of Peru. She

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was found dead with the computer cord wrapped around her

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neck and her broken acrylic fingernail pieces all over the

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bed and the floor, and there were clear signs of

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a struggle, of a struggle she fought her attacker heart.

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She was Silvia midiam fefer sa Jetes. She was born

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in nineteen thirty five in Peru and there's not much

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known about her childhood, but by the time of her

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death in two thousand and six, she was one of

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the most well known people in Peru's highest social circles.

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She was married to Marco Bracamonte and had two kids,

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Eva and Ariel. After her divorce, she lived in the

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very prestigious neighborhood of Sanni Sidro in Lima, Peru, and

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her Eva and Ariel lived in the big mansion that

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once belonged to her own father, and she was known

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to like her luxuries and she had perfectionist tendencies. She

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attended Leon Pinello, Lima's highly esteemed Jewish school, and she

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worked as an executive in her father's real estate company.

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She had many friends and just as many enemies, including

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her own family, which is maybe come in if you're

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a multimillionaire, I don't know. I wouldn't know. And because

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of who she was, it was no surprise at her

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murder and the trial. It was a media frenzy. They

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ran with this and went wild. So on the night

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before Medium Fefed was found dead in her room, the

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fourteenth of August two and six, the butler checks all

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the locks on every door and window, as he did

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every night, and everything was locked in the Fefed mansion,

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and it was just like every other night, except one

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tiny detail. Medium had these two Maltese dogs that slept

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with her every night, and for whatever reason, that night,

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they were not in her room. They were in Ariela

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and Eva's rooms upstairs. Seeing yeah, already, Like that's the

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one thing that was different. Medium was working late on

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her computer. At some point, Medium heard Eva walk down

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to the garage, supposedly to grab a textbook for some

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homework she was doing, and then you know, she fell asleep.

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At some point then everyone was asleep. Medium woke up

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the sounds in her room. There was an intruder and

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she didn't even have time to scream. This person attacked.

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There was a fight, but the intruder grabbed the cord

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from her computer and used that to strangle her, and

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then the intruder grabbed her laptop, cell phone, some change

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that was on the night table next to her, and fled.

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And in the morning, the butler unlocked her door to

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bring her the day's newspaper and her breakfast, like he

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did every morning. That's when he came across her dead

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body with the cable still there. Just like this intruder

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left her, and the butler screamed, and this very loud

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scream woke up Eva and Arielle upstairs. That's when they

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called an ambulance, but it was too late. Vidiam died

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some time between midnight and to thirty on the fifteenth

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of August, and now they were left with questions who

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could do this? A lot of people because she had

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a lot of enemies, including her own family. They were like,

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where do we even start. I mean, it had to

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be someone that had access to the home because nobody

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broke in, right, there's no signs for breakin, and then

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they locked her door before they left. I don't know, Yeah,

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it's weird, right, Yeah, it points to someone she knew, right, Yeah,

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maybe I don't know. So to understand why she had

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so many enemies that were in her own family. We

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had to go back to her own father for a second.

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Her father was Endrika Feffed Bradstein. He was born March tenth,

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nineteen twenty four in Poland. And because we know what

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happened in history in his adulthood, he had to flee

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Poland and he landed in Lima, Peru, where he started

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a very successful business worth at least three million dollars

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by the time he died. And in Peru he met

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a woman named Leoni Herrera and they had four kids, Sarah, Este, Luis, Endrique,

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and Sonya. And yes, Mediam was not part of these

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four kids. Her mom was Gluingda Saiettes and Mediam was

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in a fair child. Yeah, and so her for you know,

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siblings didn't like her based on that alone. Then in

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nineteen eighty four, at sixty nine years old, Enrique was

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diagnosed with diabetes and this led him to finally sit

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down make his will and how he was going to

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split everything up. He was like, my health is getting

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I'm getting older, I'm facing this new health issue. Let

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me just write this up. And so Mediam was never

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close to her siblings. I mean, because you know, of

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I guess, because he wasn't a fair child, like, they

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were just never gonna like her for that because of

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their mom. Yeah, well yeah, like I mean, most kids don't,

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especially rich people, like I don't know, I feel like

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if there's a child out of like the marriage, they're

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never going to like that kid. Like, So they didn't

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like her, although it's not the kid's fall, you know, no,

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not at all, like, not at all. But that was

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the reason they didn't like her already from the minute

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she was born. And this worsened when it came to

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the will because Endrique left two thirds of his fortune

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to his what he that's hm, he used his legitimate

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kids because they were from his you know, marriage, and

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one third to medium and this one third included the

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realtor business. And he had a lot of businesses, not

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just but that was one of the more successful businesses,

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and he left that to her, which made the other

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siblings angry because they felt like she didn't deserve it.

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And time had passed since he wrote the will, and

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things only got worse since. But then in November nineteen

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ninety nine, Mediam and her mom prepared a meal for

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her father at the Isidrom mansion. And when they were

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done eating, Mediam went to the kitchen and came back

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with the cake for her father that she made herself

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with love. And this was weird to him because he

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was iabetic and he took extreme care of his diet.

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He was very very strict about it, and so she

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was like, oh, don't even worry. She used artificial sugar

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and special ingredients so that he would be able to

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eat it, but he refused to eat it. He was like, no,

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I'm not breaking my strict diet. I'm not doing it.

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And when the night was over, the cake remained there.

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Like her mom and her they didn't touch the cake either,

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so it was still there. No one need it. That's weird.

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Right then and again went to lay down and when

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he was trying to sleep, he realized someone else was

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in his room. It was Clorinda Mediam's girl, Clorine. What

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are you doing? She was holding a syringe and she

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injected straight glucose into his stomach. Oh my god, So

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she was trying to kill him. She was trying to

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kill him. Yes, in short, she was trying to kill him.

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He was able to wake up a time, call an ambulance.

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He was all right, he made it to the hospital.

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But then his relationship with Mediam was not all right

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because her and her mom tried to kill him. Oh

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my god, and she claims that she didn't. Right. He

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accused her of trying to poison him with the cake

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because she was insisting that he ate it and he

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didn't want to. They didn't touch it either, like, right,

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it looks bad. And then you know, then her mom

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straight up tried to kill him, right, which looks worse.

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And they were trying to make it seem like a

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natural death. And so because of this what happened, he

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removed her from her will, from his will. He removed

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her from his will, and she was like, no, it's

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all a misunderstanding. But nobody believed her. Absolutely, nobody believes her.

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I don't know anyway, her relationship worsened with her siblings

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and her dad understandably so. And now even her own

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kids were upset because they were like, oh my god,

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what if we're left out of the will too? And

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then in two thousand and four, and Jikae passed away

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at seventy nine due to some complication with diabetes. And

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while this isn't public, there are different versions of his

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will online. What version says that the one third that

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was supposed to go to Medium before she tried to

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kill him was going to go to her daughter Eva,

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but because Eva was underage, it was all going to

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be under Medium's control until Eva turned eighteen, and some

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say nothing was left to them. Whatever the real details are,

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we can almost be certain that whatever the will was

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was the reason for her death because Eva is directly

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tied to the murder of her mother, and supposedly Eva

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was going to be the beneficiary of that will. As

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students said, if I went out to the garage to

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get homework or something whatever, I was like, alarm bells

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are ringing, mm hm and yeah, because if her mom

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wasn't around, she would already be getting that money. So

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00:24:12.599 --> 00:24:15.480
when the murder first happened, police believed that this was

446
00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:19.079
a robbery gone wrong. They figured that an intruder jumped

447
00:24:19.119 --> 00:24:22.440
the walls around the mansion, walked across the garden, used

448
00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:25.519
an open bathroom window to enter the mansion, but none

449
00:24:25.559 --> 00:24:28.599
of this really added up because if it was an

450
00:24:28.599 --> 00:24:31.880
intended robbery, the only items taken were her laptop and

451
00:24:31.880 --> 00:24:34.359
her cellphone when there was there was already or there

452
00:24:34.359 --> 00:24:37.160
were already so many visible violables that could have been

453
00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:40.480
taken without even entering her room. There were no tracks

454
00:24:40.480 --> 00:24:43.160
from the garden to the house. There was no forced

455
00:24:43.319 --> 00:24:46.759
entry into a medium's room. And when the first DNA

456
00:24:46.839 --> 00:24:49.519
results came back from Media and Medium's nail, it didn't

457
00:24:49.559 --> 00:24:52.240
match to anyone. Because they got everyone's DNA that was

458
00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:54.599
in the house that day to try and match it.

459
00:24:54.599 --> 00:24:58.240
It didn't match to anyone. One. More detail, the dogs

460
00:24:58.400 --> 00:25:01.000
that were upstairs, they didn't bar. That means there was

461
00:25:01.039 --> 00:25:03.880
no stranger in the house Ryan or maybe they were

462
00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:06.359
too far. Normally they slept with her, but again they

463
00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:10.200
were upstairs with both kids and Ariel, And there were

464
00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:12.359
too many loose ends, too many things I just didn't

465
00:25:12.400 --> 00:25:14.960
add up, and so the case became cold. And then

466
00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:19.200
things started happening within the Fafet family. Immediately after Medium's death,

467
00:25:19.640 --> 00:25:23.480
Eva and Arielle's partners moved in. Then they started having

468
00:25:23.519 --> 00:25:30.200
parties like parties. Eva and Liliana, her girlfriend, started getting

469
00:25:30.200 --> 00:25:32.519
more obnoxious and rude. People are like, what's wrong with you?

470
00:25:32.559 --> 00:25:35.920
Were like, mom, weird? And then they were spending more

471
00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:38.960
and more money and the business that went to mediums,

472
00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:41.400
it went to Eva, and Eva hired her girlfriend and

473
00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:44.039
then kicked her brother Arielle, out of everything, out of

474
00:25:44.079 --> 00:25:48.359
the company, even out of the mansion. Oh though others

475
00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:50.559
saying he left the mansion because he didn't trust his

476
00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:53.880
sister anymore. So no one knows for sure. And then

477
00:25:54.039 --> 00:25:57.119
three whole years went by and like not, this didn't

478
00:25:57.119 --> 00:26:01.319
go anywhere, But then something new happened in Argentina. So

479
00:26:01.400 --> 00:26:08.880
something new happened in Argentina. Yes, okay. Colombian Cicadio Alejandro

480
00:26:09.039 --> 00:26:13.759
Trujillo Ospina, also known as Payaso, was in the Salta

481
00:26:13.839 --> 00:26:17.400
province of Argentina tracking his next hit because he's a

482
00:26:17.480 --> 00:26:20.799
hired hitman, and apparently to hire him, all you need

483
00:26:20.920 --> 00:26:22.759
is his email, Like, if you know that you're good,

484
00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:26.559
there's no black what is it? Dark website? What do

485
00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:28.839
they call that dark web? Dark? Why? My god? Wow,

486
00:26:29.440 --> 00:26:30.920
that took me too long to get there. There's no

487
00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:33.759
dark web. You just need a email? Doesn't seem smart?

488
00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:38.640
I know? Right? He was ready to kill his next victim,

489
00:26:39.400 --> 00:26:41.799
a highly successful lawyer, and it must have been his

490
00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:46.079
lawyer skills because he negotiated his way out of this hit. Wow.

491
00:26:46.559 --> 00:26:49.880
He offered to double whatever Alexandro was being offered, and

492
00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:54.400
Alexandro agreed. A couple of days later, he went down

493
00:26:54.440 --> 00:26:56.799
to the bank to get his money, but it was

494
00:26:56.839 --> 00:26:59.079
a trap. The police was already there waiting for him,

495
00:26:59.599 --> 00:27:02.880
and he was put in jail in January two thousand

496
00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:07.519
and nine, and already his way of like killing apparently

497
00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:10.279
looked very similar to the way Medium was killed, although

498
00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:12.200
the police in Randia I didn't know this at the time,

499
00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:15.960
but when he was in jail, apparently he loves to

500
00:27:16.039 --> 00:27:18.359
talk and talk and talk and show off and he

501
00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:21.200
was like talking to anyone who would listen. And another

502
00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:25.880
prisoner overheard him showing off about his previous you know, hits,

503
00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:31.039
including Medium Fifed, and this prisoner told an officer, and

504
00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:34.839
then this news made its way to Peru. With this information,

505
00:27:35.079 --> 00:27:38.440
police and Peru started looking into all of this, and

506
00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:41.920
this is how they came across emails between Eva and

507
00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:46.240
Alejandro the hitman Wow. And then on top of that,

508
00:27:46.519 --> 00:27:50.920
Alejandro's ex mother in law gave a statement to police

509
00:27:51.039 --> 00:27:55.200
in Argentina which somehow showed that Eva had hired him

510
00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:58.599
like she knew something and gave this information Wow and

511
00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:02.880
so they reopened Mediums case three years later, and in

512
00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:05.799
July two thousand and nine, they tested the DNA that

513
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:08.599
they found under Medium's figuernails and it was a match

514
00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:12.559
for Alejandro Trujillo and so now they knew, yeah, he

515
00:28:12.880 --> 00:28:15.359
was the person who was hired to kill Medium, and

516
00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:19.000
Eva and her girlfriend Lilliana were charged with hiring him.

517
00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:23.200
But Eva maintained her innocence while Adieah, her brother, was like, yeah,

518
00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:26.160
I knew it all along. It was her. And then

519
00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:28.920
their own dad took Eva's side. If that doesn't tell

520
00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:33.759
you who the favorite sibling was like, yeah, he should

521
00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:37.160
have taken no sides. He should have been there for

522
00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:42.920
his wife. Oh the way, okay, there are separated gotcha, gotcha?

523
00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:45.640
And so they were both like no, she's innocent. But

524
00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:48.799
in September two thousand and nine, Eva and Lilliana turned

525
00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:53.079
themselves in and then in twenty ten, Alejandro Trujillo was

526
00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:56.920
extradited from Argentina to Peru. And after this the process

527
00:28:57.079 --> 00:29:00.759
was long. There was trials, appeals. Alejandro changed his story

528
00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:04.319
again and again he said that he went in to

529
00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:07.160
rob the place, not because it was hired, because this

530
00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:10.680
would lessen his life sentence if there was a robbery

531
00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:14.119
gone wrong instead of premmit murder. And of course the

532
00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:16.279
evidence just didn't line up with this story at all.

533
00:29:16.519 --> 00:29:19.640
Investigators believed that the night before Medium died, Eva didn't

534
00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:22.400
go down to get a textbook like she had initially said.

535
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:25.039
They believe this is when she unlocked the doors after

536
00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:28.480
the butler had already locked them, so that Alejandro could

537
00:29:28.519 --> 00:29:32.440
make an easy entrance. It wouldn't look forced, just straight

538
00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:35.960
to his target. There was another theory presented that Ariel

539
00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:37.799
was the one who hired him and the one who

540
00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:39.720
led him in, but the evidence just didn't point to

541
00:29:39.799 --> 00:29:42.640
that because the email trail led straight to Eva and

542
00:29:42.920 --> 00:29:45.359
not to mention, there was a phone call she received

543
00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:49.240
around one thirty sorry two thirty, and this number could

544
00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:53.759
never be proven, but the defense argued that or sorry.

545
00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:56.640
The prosecution argued that this phone call was by Alejandro

546
00:29:56.799 --> 00:29:59.279
confirming that the job was complete, because it was like

547
00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:01.880
a you know, like burn her phone teche number. Yeah,

548
00:30:01.880 --> 00:30:04.839
I mean it looks suspicious. And since they had already

549
00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:07.680
turned themselves in, Eva and her girlfriend were allowed to

550
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:11.279
do their sentence at home during the trial, so like

551
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:13.799
they were able to do house to rest during the

552
00:30:13.880 --> 00:30:15.680
trial because they had already been in jail for two

553
00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:17.599
years up to that point. They turned themselves in in

554
00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:20.599
twenty ten and the trials started in twenty twelve, and

555
00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:24.440
so finally the trial is over. The ruling determined that

556
00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:28.279
Alexandro didn't enter the mansion two seals, but specifically to

557
00:30:28.319 --> 00:30:30.319
coll media in which we already know by this point,

558
00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:34.319
with Eva's help, and he received a thirty five year sentence.

559
00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:38.160
Eva received a thirty year sentence, and Liliana, her girlfriend,

560
00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:40.160
was little because there was enough evidence to show that

561
00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:42.519
she assisted in any way. But the drama was not over.

562
00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:47.000
In twenty thirteen, Eva filed an appeal claiming that Arielle

563
00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:51.200
sabotaged her, he faked the emails between her and Alejandro.

564
00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:55.000
He is equally he's equally as guilty as her, And

565
00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:59.559
this did make some people suspicious, and in September two thirteen,

566
00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:03.319
she was absolved of the charges. Were like, there was

567
00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:06.400
no proper due process, there was a faked evidence. She

568
00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:10.920
needs a new trial, and so a new trial happened. Really, yes, what?

569
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:14.799
And this was another long trial from twenty fourteen to

570
00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:20.960
twenty fifteen. By the end of everything, she was declared innocent. What. Yeah,

571
00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:23.799
they said that they couldn't prove she was actually the

572
00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:26.480
one who hired Alexandro because what about the emails that's

573
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:30.240
supposedly now it wasn't It was no longer evidence they

574
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:36.119
could use in court because their legitimacy couldn't be trusted.

575
00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:38.519
Did okay? So like they couldn't prove that it was

576
00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:41.759
her email address, They couldn't prove that they were real

577
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:45.240
because she was claiming that her brother faked these emails.

578
00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:47.799
Oh I see, okay, I feel like you left that out.

579
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:50.400
I just said her right now. Well yeah, but before,

580
00:31:50.920 --> 00:31:52.640
Oh I did leave that out before, okay, That's why

581
00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:55.400
I was so confused. Oh well, I said it right now.

582
00:31:55.440 --> 00:31:57.359
I thought that would clear it out. Okay. I feel

583
00:31:57.359 --> 00:31:59.839
like she only said it because I was confused. No,

584
00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:04.799
I just said it right. I said it right before that, okay, Okay,

585
00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:07.359
her brother, her brother Saba tounched her and fake the emails.

586
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:09.759
To hear that. I heard that he Sab touched her,

587
00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:12.000
but I didn't hear that he said the emails. Well,

588
00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:13.640
I meant to say it right after. I didn't write

589
00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:17.240
it about filed an appeal claiming that ideal Subo touched

590
00:32:17.240 --> 00:32:19.960
her during the trial, and he faked the emails and

591
00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:22.640
he was equally as guilty as her. Okay, I didn't

592
00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:24.920
hear you say he faked the emails at that point.

593
00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:26.440
I didn't say it. I don't think you said it.

594
00:32:26.559 --> 00:32:28.640
That's why I was like, what the hell is going on? Okay,

595
00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:30.640
I'm meant to say it? Okay, Wow, should I start over?

596
00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:37.920
I mean everything clearly by now it wasn't. So, yeah,

597
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:40.319
they could improve those emails were real, and that's like

598
00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:43.559
basically their biggest piece of evidence. I guess that makes sense.

599
00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:46.920
I mean, and they also could improve you know, who

600
00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:49.200
made that phone call or what that phone call was

601
00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:53.799
about thirty and that was thirty even from the other trial, right, Yes,

602
00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:56.359
although they were trying to make the argument they couldn't

603
00:32:56.400 --> 00:33:00.359
prove that, okay, right, yeah, and so yeah, the males

604
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:03.319
were not real or they couldn't be proof proven. It

605
00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:05.319
couldn't be proven that they were real. They also said

606
00:33:05.319 --> 00:33:09.160
there was no motive because eventually she was going to

607
00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:11.519
get the money when she turned eighteen, Like it wasn't

608
00:33:11.559 --> 00:33:13.039
like she was never going to get the money from

609
00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:15.480
the will. So and how it means does she when

610
00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:18.359
this happened. You know, I couldn't find that information. Oh okay,

611
00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:20.599
I looked and looked, but yeah, I mean, I guess

612
00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:24.960
it doesn't make sense because you even if she had

613
00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:28.599
killed her mom before she turned eighteen, she could have

614
00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:31.960
still not been the I don't know if you would

615
00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:34.720
call it the executor or whatever. She couldn't have controlled

616
00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:37.400
the money, right because she would have been a miner anyway. Yeah,

617
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:41.160
so that definitely brings to question, like the motive, although

618
00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:43.759
what she knows that herself, but I don't think she

619
00:33:43.880 --> 00:33:45.720
was that far away from turned eighteen. And that was

620
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:52.519
their argument when she could yes, right right, Yeah, so yeah,

621
00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:54.440
in the in the end, they were like, Nope, there's

622
00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:56.799
no motive, there's no clear evidence to prove she was

623
00:33:56.839 --> 00:34:00.319
the one who hired him, and yeah she's free now,

624
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:04.839
she's happily married, she's got a kid herself. Wow, but

625
00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:09.719
this believes the question who hired Alejandro tro and Payaso

626
00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:13.199
And he couldn't just say, but he kept changing the story, right, yeah,

627
00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:18.519
so he can credibility? Yeah, yeah, the fuck Alexandro, because yeah,

628
00:34:18.559 --> 00:34:21.199
in the beginning he was saying it was Eva, but

629
00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:23.840
then he was like, no, I didn't even get hired.

630
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:25.840
I was just there to still know this, and they

631
00:34:26.199 --> 00:34:28.360
just kept changing his story. And there's no doubt he

632
00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:30.599
is the one who killed her, right because there was

633
00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:34.320
DNA of his yes, right, Yeah, and yeah, many people

634
00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:36.480
still believe that Eva is the one who hired him.

635
00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:39.639
Other people think it was her and Ariel together and

636
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:43.800
then they turned on each other. Wow. Others believe it

637
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:47.480
was her siblings. Who knows. Wow, And sadly, to this

638
00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:53.159
day there's still no answers. There's another theory because when

639
00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:56.760
they were, you know, investigating the crime scene, they found

640
00:34:57.079 --> 00:35:00.400
an altar that they're like, this is Santa Ria in

641
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:04.360
her room? Who's in medium's room? Oh? Okay, yeah, So

642
00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:07.880
they found a Santadia alter in her room and this

643
00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:11.320
altar points to one man, the subject of the altar,

644
00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:13.840
because there was around So there's a picture in the middle,

645
00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:16.079
sort of half torn pictures in the middle of this

646
00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:20.119
altar of one man, her ex who also was married,

647
00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:24.480
and the family lawyer. Ooh what drama. Wow. Yeah, And

648
00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:28.639
around the altar there was flowers, half burned cigarettes. It

649
00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:31.760
just looked like this, I don't know, witchy, like evil,

650
00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:34.920
sinister thing is how it was presented. Someone sees the

651
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:38.920
Santa Ria if it even was actual Santaia, right, but

652
00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:44.280
something resembling it in someone's room. They're like, oh my god,

653
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:47.679
guilty and guilty whatever. It really was like, oh, I'm

654
00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:51.280
making this alter to like protect him, and that's like

655
00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:53.199
it was like some sort of like protection altar and

656
00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:57.320
they're like this was hers, Yeah, who knows? Who knows?

657
00:35:57.400 --> 00:36:01.000
I don't know. And so some people thought he was

658
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:03.119
the one who hired Alejandro because he was trying to

659
00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:06.599
hide their relationship, but the lawyer maintains none of this

660
00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:10.559
is true. They were very close, but not romantically involved,

661
00:36:11.320 --> 00:36:14.519
and the police quickly discarded this theory. Okay, it's probably

662
00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:19.320
not true then, but then, well famous, I can't handle this, Okay.

663
00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:24.960
What happened next? A famous brucha named Rosita famous like

664
00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:30.199
TV famous okay, claims that she connected with Medium after

665
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:32.599
she died, and Medium told her that it was not

666
00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:35.800
her kids. They were innocent and soon everything would be

667
00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:38.760
clear because it was someone she loved who was bald.

668
00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:45.760
The lawyer was bald, wow, and she loved him. Okay,

669
00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:49.079
but again, there's no evidence plenty to him, just this

670
00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:51.920
brua who said, well, Medium told me after she died,

671
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:57.760
so wow. Yeah, it's been almost twenty plus years and

672
00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:00.760
you know, to this day, it's still not clear who

673
00:37:01.079 --> 00:37:05.199
prior the hit man and we may never have answers. Wow.

674
00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:11.599
I mean that's just sad for medium who was killed. Yeah,

675
00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:15.000
it's just horrible to lose your life that way. And

676
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:19.280
I mean it would suck if it. I mean, obviously

677
00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:24.159
neither child of hers was legally found guilty or whatever,

678
00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:27.519
so innocent, I mean, they're not right, So it sucks

679
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:31.119
that people think it was them. Like, let's say they

680
00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:34.199
didn't do this, because I mean, there's no fact pointing

681
00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:37.639
that they did this, and they're being blamed. So it's

682
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:39.880
like they can't even warn their mom because people think

683
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:43.199
they killed their mom. Like that's pretty shitty. Yeah. Yeah.

684
00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:45.280
And I don't know how old they were, but I

685
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:47.800
think the brother was a little bit older and she

686
00:37:48.159 --> 00:37:50.639
was a little bit younger, so he might have been

687
00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:53.039
barely an adult and she might have been. She wasn't

688
00:37:53.079 --> 00:37:56.480
even eighteen, was under eighteen, yeah when she was killed,

689
00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:00.760
So they were young. I mean, and because you know,

690
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:04.719
people kept pointing to them like not acting right after

691
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:06.639
she was killed, like they didn't look sad enough. But

692
00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:08.880
it's like you can ever, but you can't. Yeah, and

693
00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:11.960
maybe they were throwing parties because drinking was the only

694
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:13.639
way they could cope, you know what I mean. So

695
00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:17.079
you never know. But that was another thing. People were

696
00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:19.920
playing that at the time. And yeah, I mean that's unfortunate.

697
00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:23.360
I feel bad for them. Yeah, it's a hard situation

698
00:38:23.719 --> 00:38:26.639
and still like that, there's no answers. That's got to

699
00:38:26.679 --> 00:38:29.199
be like, I don't know, difficult. That's gonna take a

700
00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:33.119
lot of therapy to to grow accustomed to, if ever,

701
00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:37.079
if you ever do so. But yeah, that was the

702
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:41.639
case of medium. Wow. And all right, we'll take a

703
00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:50.039
little break here before spooky recommendations and we're back. Do

704
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:54.360
you have any speaky recommendations? Because I do, what are yours?

705
00:38:55.320 --> 00:39:00.719
I watched Sims. Of course I'm watching it tomorrow when

706
00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:02.480
this comes out, I would have already watched it. And

707
00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:05.159
I'm sure I loved it. I'm sure you loved it too.

708
00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:09.719
Was there not to love? So first I have to

709
00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:13.039
tell listeners about my ordeal of getting to the theater

710
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:15.960
and to finally watch it. I had been scrolling TikTok

711
00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:17.519
all day at work instead of working. And I'm just

712
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:20.920
kidding well, yeah, so that's I kept seeing videos and

713
00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:23.480
posts about sinners and I was like, oh, man, I

714
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:25.400
feel like I need to see this in the movie theaters.

715
00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:28.280
And I never watch anything in the movie theaters because

716
00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:33.079
I mean, we never have babysitters. No one near me

717
00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:35.119
likes so horror movies, like my husband doesn't like them,

718
00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:38.719
and yeah, we're not near each other because we could

719
00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:40.800
just gone together, you know. And I was like, I

720
00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:42.679
need to watch this in the movie theater. Like what

721
00:39:42.760 --> 00:39:46.519
I'm hearing about it? First, Okay, it's a vampire film

722
00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:50.280
directed by Ryan Cookler, who I love, not just because

723
00:39:50.320 --> 00:39:55.440
he's from Oakland, but famously never he directed Black Panther. Yeah,

724
00:39:56.000 --> 00:40:00.599
famously from Oakland and directed Black Panther, but yeah, he's

725
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:02.960
just never, like his movies are always so good. And

726
00:40:03.039 --> 00:40:05.679
I was like, vampires, I need to be there, and

727
00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:09.920
so yeah, I looked for a ticket to go right

728
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:12.000
after work. I didn't even go home and changed. I

729
00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:14.199
didn't go home to change, I mean, and I decided

730
00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:15.559
to go to the mall because I have a discount

731
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:18.800
at the AMC Theaters, not Regal, which was like five

732
00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:20.440
minutes from my work. So I went to the mall

733
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:23.199
and after hours, you can only go to the movie

734
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:25.639
theaters or this like arcade thing they have at the mall.

735
00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:28.480
So there's only one entrance that you can one entrance

736
00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:31.760
down and exit. But at the time I arrived eight thirty,

737
00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:34.639
there was still another entrance open, and I went. I

738
00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:36.199
barked it the wrong one, and I was like, noah,

739
00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:37.519
I don't feel like going around. I'm sure I can

740
00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:40.039
still come out this way. I couldn't, so I went

741
00:40:40.119 --> 00:40:44.159
in the wrong fucking entrance and so whatever. Then I

742
00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:46.760
got my popcorn and my soda. And then when I

743
00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:49.559
was walking out to my seat, I tripped and I

744
00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:53.360
lost half my popcorn. Oh my god, Yeah, I tripped

745
00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:55.920
and I was like, oh fuck. Oh Like there was

746
00:40:56.000 --> 00:40:58.119
like some people like sitting right where I fell, and

747
00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:02.960
I was like, oh my god, oh wow. Scene. So yeah,

748
00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:04.559
then you can got up. We went to my seat

749
00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:07.440
and the rest of the movie was fine from there,

750
00:41:08.199 --> 00:41:12.519
no crazy events from them, and yeah, the movie amazing. Again,

751
00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:14.960
I don't want to give any spoilers to you or

752
00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:19.400
anyone else, but like the music, the music was amazing.

753
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:25.440
I laughed, I cried, I gasped, man, like, seriously, is

754
00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:29.519
such a good movie. Yeah, you will not be disappointed,

755
00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:32.920
and you could like because it's like it's also like

756
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:36.360
a historical fiction, I mean, and the historical elements of

757
00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:40.880
historical fiction, and then combine it with something spooky. It's amazing.

758
00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:43.559
It's like if vampires have been Northea was turned into

759
00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:47.360
a movie, but way better and obviously not Mexican because

760
00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:50.960
this is a black movie, which is great. Because also

761
00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:53.960
there's this fucking guy on TikTok. He's always yelling. I

762
00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:56.280
can't stand him. I don't want to say his name.

763
00:41:57.199 --> 00:41:59.400
He's facing a lot of heat right now because his ass.

764
00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:03.960
And there's always one motherfucker who's like, wait about the latinos,

765
00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:06.840
Oh no, yeah, And you don't need to do that

766
00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:09.599
with this movie. It wasn't necessary. So there's another movie

767
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:14.000
called From Dust Till Dawn. It was uh it has

768
00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:20.639
Sank and George Queen and oh god, what's so about

769
00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:25.119
this energy? All the movie? Sinners? God, and I can't

770
00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:29.920
stand why are you yelling at me? But he came

771
00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:32.760
out with this video and he's basically saying that sinners.

772
00:42:33.320 --> 00:42:37.920
Ryan cooglly owes a thank you, needs to give flowers

773
00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:43.239
to the Latin American community for helping him inspire his

774
00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:48.280
movie because from dust till Don Latino movie. Yeah, but

775
00:42:48.440 --> 00:42:50.599
dust Till Don is not a Latino movie. And he's

776
00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:54.199
saying that the whole movie Sinners is just like from

777
00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:58.119
dust Till Dawn, which it's not not at all. Yeah,

778
00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:01.760
and that Ryan to like think which ran quickly already

779
00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:03.800
said his inspirations for the movie, and he did name

780
00:43:03.880 --> 00:43:06.000
from Dusk Go Down, So like, how can you be

781
00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:08.679
so wrong and so loud? Well, also, Dusk a Don

782
00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:11.079
is now a Latino movie, so I would Ryan quigli

783
00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:14.000
oh Latinos a thank you for this, like it's his

784
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:16.519
dad's ridiculous. Yeah, and then he was like where are

785
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:19.480
the Latinos in that movie? And it's like stop being

786
00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:23.760
like fucking Gina Torres and John Asimo, Like you had

787
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:27.400
to ask that, just don't just don't like there's no

788
00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:31.840
thing that don't say it out loud. Also, you're stupid

789
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:38.760
and wrong and dumb, but a sad movie. Didn't watch

790
00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:43.199
the Hot Cheeto movie? Now, didn't they watch like Blue

791
00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:46.519
Beetle or I don't know. No, he's just complaining to

792
00:43:46.639 --> 00:43:50.119
complain about nothing, and so he's getting chew to the

793
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:53.880
fuck up and social media people are going at him rightfully,

794
00:43:53.920 --> 00:44:00.840
so interesting, so he always has bat takes. But Sinners

795
00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:04.360
super good movie, even though it doesn't have any lating,

796
00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:06.239
like we don't need to be in everything. We really don't.

797
00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:09.039
I don't care the movie. We weren't missing from it.

798
00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:11.199
We're not in everything, but we're not supposed to be

799
00:44:11.239 --> 00:44:14.039
in this movie. Okay, yeah exactly, but it has like

800
00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:20.480
the chalk Dot tribe it has and yeah, it's so

801
00:44:20.599 --> 00:44:23.199
good Irish, Oh my god, Okay, do you remember Cook

802
00:44:23.320 --> 00:44:27.519
from Skins. He's in it. Yes, Oh my god, I'm excited,

803
00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:29.599
okay because I'm gonna go watch it with our friend

804
00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:34.079
Amparo and she's also into Skins. Yeah, yes, yes, yes

805
00:44:34.760 --> 00:44:36.960
so and he honestly was one of my favorite and

806
00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:40.400
Skins from that generation of Skins. He was also in

807
00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:43.760
my favorites, yeah, because I liked him and the other guy,

808
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:46.639
the main guy I forgot the same already and Skins,

809
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:50.679
but that was from the first generation of Skins. Yeah yeah,

810
00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:54.480
so yeah, he's in it, and just like, wait till

811
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:58.239
you see it, highly recommend it. It's so good. I

812
00:44:58.280 --> 00:45:00.239
want to watch it again, but I'm like, no, wait

813
00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:03.679
till it's out to get it and watch it again.

814
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:08.519
But yeah, that is my recommendation. It's it's seriously best movie.

815
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:11.559
It's like my favorite vampire movie of all time. Now,

816
00:45:11.679 --> 00:45:21.559
so wow, wow, Yeah, I don't really have a spectu recommendation.

817
00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:29.000
I finally watched Wicked though, and wow, I read Wicked

818
00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:30.760
when I was too young, so I don't remember anything

819
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:33.760
about Wicked. And also I heard the movie and musical

820
00:45:33.800 --> 00:45:35.800
are way different than the book. And I've actually heard

821
00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:39.199
the musical it's better than the book, and that in

822
00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:43.480
the movie famously is based on the musical, not on

823
00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:48.800
the book. Okay, And I finally I understood, like I

824
00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:52.519
I got all the videos and all the memes about

825
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:56.119
Wicked because I just knew, you know, from inside, like

826
00:45:56.239 --> 00:46:00.360
I always felt Wicked. It was my soul and so

827
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:03.679
I didn't need to watch the movie to understand. Also,

828
00:46:03.719 --> 00:46:05.719
I watched a bunch of videos like the timelines that

829
00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:08.760
comparing in the Land of Bass timeline to the Wicked timeline.

830
00:46:08.960 --> 00:46:14.159
And I had a blast on Wicked Talk. And now

831
00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:16.920
that I watched it, I just feel even more like, Okay,

832
00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:19.800
I'm glad I finally watched it. I want to be

833
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:21.679
back on Wicked Talk. I don't know if people are

834
00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:24.920
still making Wicked content because I don't know what to

835
00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:27.280
watch it. Yeah, I know it's months old, but the

836
00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:29.440
second one's going to come out like next year, I think,

837
00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:32.519
so I'm sure i'll be back on Wicked Talk then.

838
00:46:33.920 --> 00:46:37.039
But it was truly amazing. I mean, I don't even

839
00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:39.480
think there are words that can describe. I had to

840
00:46:39.559 --> 00:46:41.719
watch it, but you know what I have to watch first?

841
00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:46.119
What Conclave? Because it's happened right, No, my god. Conclave

842
00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:49.639
was also so the rest and peap piece to the Pope. Yes,

843
00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:54.079
rest in peace, Pope Francis. But back to Wicked, yes,

844
00:46:54.159 --> 00:46:57.280
of course. Okay, what I didn't remember and this can

845
00:46:57.360 --> 00:47:00.440
be spoilders because everybody except you have one watch Wicked

846
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:03.599
Night now and I love spoilers. Right, So I didn't

847
00:47:03.639 --> 00:47:06.440
remember this from the books again because it was so

848
00:47:06.559 --> 00:47:08.079
long ago and I was like ten, and I didn't

849
00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:10.159
understand what was happening, like I read the words. But

850
00:47:11.800 --> 00:47:18.719
and in okay, Wicked Now, I'm questioning like I saw. Okay,

851
00:47:18.800 --> 00:47:21.159
there was one aspect of Wicked Talk I didn't understand

852
00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:24.119
back then, and it was people that were like criticizing

853
00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:29.000
I guess, like you know, more right wing leaning people

854
00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:35.320
that went to watch Wicked, and they didn't understand that. Man,

855
00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:38.079
I forgot their names already. Alphaba is the way, the

856
00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:44.119
Green Witch, and Ariana g Ali Eli. No, No, that's wrong.

857
00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:49.679
I feel like it's Glinda. Oh, he's the other way,

858
00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:54.000
Alphaba Elsie, for sure, you already said it. Anyway, Glinda

859
00:47:55.280 --> 00:47:59.920
is she's like liberal, Like if you were to put

860
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:02.320
this in terms of politics, she's like a liberal. She

861
00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:05.840
doesn't understand that she's not like actually as good as

862
00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:09.280
she thinks she is. I vaguely remember this from reading it,

863
00:48:09.400 --> 00:48:10.840
but I thought I we read it in high school

864
00:48:10.840 --> 00:48:12.199
and not when we were ten. I don't know I

865
00:48:12.280 --> 00:48:14.599
read it again. Maybe you read it again. I'm not sure,

866
00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:18.039
but I remember not understanding anything about it. And anyway,

867
00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:25.360
and Wicked, the animals are being escapegoaded. Actually I kind

868
00:48:25.360 --> 00:48:28.679
of vaguely remember it. I don't like Shrek, yes, and

869
00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:33.480
with the fairy creatures. Yeah, And it's just like it's

870
00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:36.119
it's very of the moment, but it's always of the moment, right,

871
00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:38.320
because there's always an enemy of the hour of the time,

872
00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:41.440
you know, there's always a scapego And in Wicked it's

873
00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:46.320
the animals. And Shrek it was the fairy the fairy tale, creatures,

874
00:48:46.519 --> 00:48:54.639
creatures present day, it's you know, migrants. So I don't know.

875
00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:57.360
I think that if you watch it and didn't understand

876
00:48:57.519 --> 00:49:00.599
how it applies to now, I think I think your

877
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:05.280
lost cosmon just kidding. Someone told me I'm too mean,

878
00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:13.119
So I think who who said this? Let's fall to you? Yeah?

879
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:18.320
So okay, So I don't allow people by telling him

880
00:49:18.320 --> 00:49:21.679
that they're dumb for not understanding Wicked and applying it

881
00:49:21.920 --> 00:49:25.320
to today. You know what, though, I do feel like

882
00:49:25.400 --> 00:49:28.679
some people say you need a better approach if you

883
00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:31.000
want to reach people and make them understand things. And

884
00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:33.599
I'm just like, sorry, I can't. I'm done. I'm really

885
00:49:33.760 --> 00:49:39.320
I really want to, but I can't. I want to

886
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:43.039
though it's there, famously, I can't. The intent is not

887
00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:48.880
fully there, but the wish is yes, yes, yeah, yeah.

888
00:49:49.960 --> 00:49:53.440
All right, Well, okay, that's enough about Wicked. All right,

889
00:49:55.159 --> 00:50:00.519
let's talk about Concrete and I'm just kidding. No, no, well,

890
00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:05.239
and this if you haven't watched Conclave, now is the time.

891
00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:09.480
Now was the time. Rip Pope Francis. He really was

892
00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:11.519
a good one, as far as you can as good

893
00:50:11.559 --> 00:50:14.480
as you can be in the Catholic Church famously the

894
00:50:14.599 --> 00:50:17.280
Jesuit branch is, like, you know, one of the better ones,

895
00:50:18.760 --> 00:50:22.039
very liberation theology focused, and we love liberation theology. Here

896
00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:28.199
was catter Metal Canadas by Pope Francis. Yes, yes, I've

897
00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:32.199
been learning more about Pope Francis and now and I

898
00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:36.480
learned that he also met with Beta Casadi. Yes, he

899
00:50:36.679 --> 00:50:42.320
called the last Catholic church in Gaza every night, and

900
00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:46.079
even as his health was failing, his call, he was

901
00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:51.800
making it, and he called out Trump and his first presidency.

902
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:57.519
He called him out again. He you know, unfortunately met

903
00:50:57.559 --> 00:51:03.480
his demise after meeting with just killed fans. Yeah, yeah, JD. Vans,

904
00:51:04.039 --> 00:51:08.239
thanks for taking one of the good ones. It's your

905
00:51:08.280 --> 00:51:13.840
fault completely. Yeah, and sorry, I keeping okay, I guess

906
00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:15.599
now we can reach the end of the episode. We

907
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are just rambling now, so yeah and everyone else, thanks

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for listening and if you want to hear more rambling.

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We do have a bunch of episodes on Patreon that

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you can access for three dollars a month. At the

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at the eight dollar tier, you can get a super

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cool keychain that I will send out to you. At

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the one dollar a year, you get the ad free episodes,

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and you get the episodes the night before, not a

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day early because I stuck at time management. And also

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there's a bonus vlog of us singing karaoke, which is

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very terrible counting. I actually recommend that you don't get patroon. Yeah,

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don't skip, you can't watch that. So yeah, other than that,

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stay Spookie, We'll catch everyone next time. Don't sit. If

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a couple of men walk up to you at a

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cafe and ask if they can join you and then

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start telling you about a treasure, they're goes. Also, if

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a goat knocks at your door, it's not a real goat,

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no satan. And yeah, stay spooky, We'll catch everyone next time.

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By its book, Tells is hosted by Christina and Carmen,

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produced and edited by Christina, researched by Christina Carmen and

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with the help of Don Shout out with Don. If

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you're enjoying the podcast considerably, going to say five star review,

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we would really appreciate it. If you don't want to

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live a fesstar review, just don't leave a review, but

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don't leave anything lower than that, please, I'm just kidding.

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You can reach out to the podcast at a Spooktos

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at gmail dot com. You can go to our website

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at bookitos dot com and fill out the contact form.

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If you want to support the podcast, you can join

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our Patreon where we send exclusive stickers, have bonus episodes.

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Eight dollar members get an exclusive keychain. It's super cool.

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I got new ones and these ones are huge. And

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if you want to support, but you can or don't

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want to join the patreon, that's fine too. You can

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also get some merch. You can find sure Says say

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Spooky and old English letters. There's a beanie. I love

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the beanie. There's also a hat. There's a no Mamus

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shirt which is a fan favorite. There's a lot of options,

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crap tops, sweaters. It's almost swetter weather. We're nearing a

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spookie season, so yeah, get your hoodies. You're gonna need them.

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If you don't want to do all that, that's fine too.

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You can just listen like you're listening now, and that's

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the best support that you can give us, like I

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always say in our ad break and yeah, if you

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like history, you can follow Estodia's Unknown Mining, Carmen's other podcasts,

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and you can find as Spooky tails on all of

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our socials at Spooky Tells All. This is in the

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show notes and we appreciate every single listen. Thank you

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so much, stay as Spooky