Jan. 31, 2025

El Chonchon, More Cryptids and the case of Julie Ann Gonzalez

El Chonchon, More Cryptids and the case of Julie Ann Gonzalez

21 year old Julie Ann Gonzalez loved her daughter, she would do anything for her. One day, her family could not get a hold of her. Her ex-husband told them she was acting weird and that she told him she was taking off to Colorado, something they...

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21 year old Julie Ann Gonzalez loved her daughter, she would do anything for her. One day, her family could not get a hold of her. Her ex-husband told them she was acting weird and that she told him she was taking off to Colorado, something they refused to believe.

Cristina shares the case of Julie Ann Gonzalez and Carmen talks about three cryptids from Latin America, El Chonchon, the Vampire Plant and the Abagoochie. First, they read a listener story and end with spooky recommendations.

If you have a spooky story to share, email Espookytales@gmail.com or leave us a voicemail at the Espooky Hot Line (360)836-4486. You can also submit it on Discord!

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Hi. This is Christina and Carmen and this is another

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episode of a Spooky Tells, a podcast for all things spooky,

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true crime hunter places not American related, and that's what

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we're doing today. We have some cryptids and then a

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true crime case that somehow doctor Phil has evolved. I

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don't like that already. Yeah, yeah, that man no for real?

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Because did you see that he was at Ice Raids?

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I did. I did see that, and I'm like, who

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the fuck do you think you are? Yeah? I was like, wow,

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how weird that he came up when I was researching

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and then he comes up today and I'm like, can

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you just please go away? One of the only things

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I want in life is for him to go away.

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Nothing else matters, no, because same, well besides some other

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people that I want to go away. But you know,

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all right, before we get into our topic, we do

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have a listener story and if you want to submit

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a story to us for us to read, email at

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spookitos at gmail dot com. You can submit it on Discord,

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you can set it to me on Instagram. All those

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things are linked in the show notes. You can also

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call these spooky hotline. It's been a hot midut since

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we've had a phone call, feel free to do that.

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It has Yeah and all right, this story is from Discord.

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You want to read it? Yes, it comes from use

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your named Geeka. Hi everyone, I have a kind of

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creepy story from my childhood. I remember small parts of it,

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but most of it is my family's version since I

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was four years old. Apologies and advanced for end years

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as English is not my first language and I don't

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practice writing in English as much as I should. First

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of all, English doesn't matter. Don't ever apologize for that. Never,

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not here in this house, in this podcast. No, So

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here we go. When I was very little, I had

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an imaginary friend who I called Uncle Leo. At first,

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my mother didn't think much about it, since imagining friends

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are a normal thing, but normally children don't have an

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imaginary uncle. But okay, true, true, okay, mom? Why did

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that not always any red flags? Like, you're just kidding.

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We don't blame him anyway, And I would talk and

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play with Uncle Leo all the time, terrorizing the cleaning lady. Anyway,

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One day my mother caught me talking to Uncle Leo

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in a way that made me seem very upset and

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she asked what was happening. I replied that Uncle Leo

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said he needed to leave, but I didn't want him

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to go, and then I added that he looked beautiful, shining,

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full of light. Oh my god, he was saying mine. Oh.

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My Mom was like okay, and didn't pressure me too

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much about it, just comforted me. A long time passed

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without me mentioning Uncle Leo again, until one day my

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mother was organizing the photo albums and I was playing

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around her. When she opened an album from her teenage years.

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She showed me what everyone was like at the time,

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and I didn't pay much attention until I suddenly pointed

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to one of the photographs and said, look at Uncle Leo.

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Oh my god. I just got chills. I know. I know.

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My mother says her blood around cold, because I was

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pointing out one of our teenage friends who had died

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in a motorcycle accident long before. Cry don't cry yet,

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the tears are Kobe hold it in dark, Okay. So

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long before I was born. His name was Leonardo to

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his friends, Leo. Oh my god, he came back to visit.

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He just wanted to meet his nibbling. Oh my god,

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that's the most beautiful thing I've ever heard is it's

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so beautiful, like he came from beyond the grate that

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al I have escalofrios right now. I literally got chills

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when I was reading it. Oh my god, And you're

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trying to stop your tears, I am. I don't you

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know while you're doing that. I just want to let

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these spookies know that Carmen got me a new brush

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for Christmas. Oh my god, my hair looks amazing. I

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got a new hair dryer, and I have to say

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the combo hair immaculus. Never Yeah, I've never been this

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happy with my curls. The curls Sky Kravin, for give

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to me the gift of my curls. Welcome, You're welcome.

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Plus the hairdryer is also my recommendation, so so really

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was also welcome for that of course. In fact, I

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implore everyone to go to our YouTube to look at

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my hair. Yeah yeah, yeah, you'll notice how much better

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it looks from other episodes. You really will, you really will. Yeah, Okay,

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I'm done. What a tear drinker. That was razing story.

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I really loved it. I love a fell ghost story,

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you know what I mean? Like those aren't the best.

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Remind me of the one we've already mentioned so many

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times in the podcast about our great grandpa visiting us. Yes, yeah,

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and it was the same, like we didn't know it

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was him on to where our mama was showing us

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pictures and we're like, he visited us and she's like

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what what? Yeah? What? Yeah? And those are the best

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and only ghost stories that you want to experience. Yeah, yeah, personally,

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I agree. And it has to be when you're little

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so you're not scared, you know, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay.

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Should we get onto some cryptid stories. Let's do it,

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all right. Our first cryptid is El chon Choon. First

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love the name me too. I really had a ring

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to it. So. El Tronchon is a myth that first

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began among them Mapucha people, who are native to the

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region of south central Chile and southwestern Argentina. El Tronchon

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is said to be a powerful sorcerer who undergoes a transformation.

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The creature is highly feared, and only the most powerful

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sorcerers can transform into El Tronchon. It's giving Yes, oh

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my god, what are they called? I know what you're

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going to say. I also forgot what it's called, but

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I know you're talking about as possible. I'm you know

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what my MEAs are wearing now? But you know the

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shape shifting creature, not the white Chivo, but the other one. Christina,

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we have the same brain because I was like, not

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the wit TiVo and I was literally just gonna say

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that are we twins or what we must be? Wow?

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No way, it wouldn't be funny, Like a new listener

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and they're like, they don't know that we're twins. Okay,

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shout out Fred. I love him on Patreon. He's always commenting,

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but he was like, wait, you guys are twins. And

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our episode with Mommy, what my gosh. She's like He's like,

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I suspected, but I didn't want to be dumb and ask,

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and I was like, you should always be dumb. Yeah

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that's our motto. Yeah, there are no dumb questions here.

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Spooky telles no, no, no. I still can't remember the

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shape shous creature in Mexico that I am talking about,

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but you all know what I'm talking about. Man, Why

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can't we remember? We have had them in many stories? Wow?

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This is sad. Yeah, yeah, it's not going to not

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coming to me either. No, okay, so where was I

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before beginning its transformation. It's said, either it be a

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male or fear locks themselves in their rooms and make

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sure no one will stop while they're not in their bodies.

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So they they want their privacy, and they need their privacy,

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and we respect that. Yeah, this reminds me of this

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other story also that we read. I think it was

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one of the myths or legends from Yes if it's

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somewhere else, something about a cave, Yes, like that would

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turn into a snake and they were like terrorizing. Yes, yeah, yeah, yes, yes,

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so they need their privacy. Then they apply a magical

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cream to their throat. Oh my god, yes, wow, we

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should have known that. Yeah, so the throat. I won't

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know if you heard that because you were you know,

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no no startovers. Okay, so a sentence well before that,

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since you know you were preoccupied with the naway. It's

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fine because we all wanted to know the answer, as

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it means we did. Yeah, but anyway, I was saying

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that the tranzone needs this privacy while transforming. Right, So

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then they locked themselves in the room and make sure

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no one goes into the room while they're not in

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their bodies, and then they apply a magical cream to

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their throat, and the cream then initiates the transformation by

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allowing the head to smoothly remove itself from the body

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without a drop of blood being spilled, and it's said

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to resemble a bat. Okay interesting. In nineteen twenty nine,

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a Chilen historian named Tomas Gevarra set the ears and

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then stretch out and turn into very large wings that

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allow the head to fly around. The head is then

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adorned with feathers and talons. I'm picturing it, I am,

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I can see it, and she's a cutie. I'm pretty

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sing like an owl, even though they say it remembers

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it resembles a bat. Yeah. The powerful creature then flies

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at night and uses its news shape to engage in

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malevolent activities, such as flying to caves where other sorcerers

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and Satan gets together at night to perform rituals. And

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are they joining or internality. I'm not sure yet. I wonder.

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I don't know if they're just a casual observer or

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they're participant in these satanic rituals. I don't know, I

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don't know, I don't know. In addition to performing rituals,

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Elronchon is also able to drink the blood of the

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sick or sleeping. Don't expect to see Elronjon anytime soon,

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as legend says that only other sorcerers or powerful people

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can see them. Oh, but normal individuals can still hear

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their cries in the dark, which sound like a loud

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And how do you think this is pronounced? It's t

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u e Oh, that's a little too close to tua,

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not toua tua in Spanish. This is the o g

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hawk tua. Yeah and better better Yeah. Yeah, if you

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hear a outside your house, it's best you, says Camino respectfully.

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I love it. Yeah. I love when there's like a

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phrase you can say to avoid, you know, like the trouble. Yeah,

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if you don't say it, it said an old lady

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or handsome man will appear at your door asking for salt. Well,

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those are very different. I don't know if it's like

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gender base or how it decides to present itself. Yeah,

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so either an old lady or a handsome man will

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appear at your door asking for salt, and if you

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don't give it to them, they'll take it as an

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insult and will avenge themselves doing what. I don't know

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what the avenge in tels Son. Please clarify. Hopefully it's

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not like murder. Maybe just like like a little beating,

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like the other lady who beat up the You remember

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that la. I don't remember anything, okay first all, but

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remember the like I remember the concepts of things, but

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I don't remember the name of anything. Yeah, and do

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you remember the legend of the lady. She was like

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an eventual spirit and you think she was the one

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that's turned No, she's not the one that turned into

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a firewall. That's a different one. Anyway, this lady was

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like an old lady and then like old lady spirit

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and then you would light candles for her, but you

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had to light it on. It might be ye. At

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first I thought it wasn't, but then I was like,

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maybe it is. And then the lady didn't she like

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forgot one night and then she needs to beat her ass. Yeah, yeah,

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I'm pretty sure I think it was. I think yeah,

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I think yeah. Others say that hearing in the woods

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is a bad omen I imagine it would be. Yeah,

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because someone will avenge themselves to you to give them

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salts and what if you don't realize it, you know

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what I mean? Yeah? Okay, so that was It's sill

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a cute name but kind of scary. Yeah, okay, So

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next up we have the vampire vine. This sounds cool. Yeah,

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this is a botanical cryptid. A what botanical cryptid? What

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does that mean?

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Oh my god? Like a like a natural? Yeah, she's

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just a natural, girly Yes, I understand now I was

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I don't know what I was thinking. I don't know

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where my brain was. In other words, the vampire vine

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is a plant rumored to be a katawan that survives

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by draining the blood of living creatures. So it's okay,

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like a plant vampire hybrid. This will probably be people

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to think of plants like venus fly traps and picture plants,

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but these plants only eat insects or lizards, not humans

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or large animals. The story was first discussed by the

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famous mystic Helena Blovotsky, who in nineteen not nineteen eighty one,

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who in eighteen ninety one published a story in Lucifer

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magazine where she discussed and experience a young explorer named

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Leroy Dunstan. Sorry, so we're starting in eighteen ninety one

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explorer I think Evan colonizer and in Central America. Yeah yeah, yeah,

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so Leroy Dunstan some experience he had a while he

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was researching botanical specimens in Central America. According to Blovotsky,

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Dunstan was exploring a swamp in i Karawa with the

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help of natives when he heard his dog crying out loud.

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Dunstan a rushed to his dog's aid, only to find

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him wrapped in roots and vines. Oh. Dunctan tried to

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save his dog from this plant that was oozing a

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sticky black substance from its pores, but as he tried

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to cut the vines with a knife, the plant also

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tried to trap Dunstan. Oh. Dunstan was then shocked to

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see that the part of his skin that was touched

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by the plant was turning red and blistering, and the

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dog's skin was covered in puncher marks and blood. Oh no,

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what a gory scene. Yeah. Miraculously the dogs survived, but

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natives then warned Dunstan of the plant they called the

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Devil's snare. Oh does this not remind you Harry Potter?

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for some reason, even though I know it's on an owl,

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I kept thinking of the owl. Okay, even though I

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know it's not an owl. That's too far, too far, okay, sorry, sorry,

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I'm pulling the plug. I just kept picturing an owl. Yeah,

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isn't that what the plants call in the first movie?

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Isn't it? I think? I think so. I can only

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think of fucking TikTok. They took this chess scene, yeah,

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admitted into like a dancing and then they're like voky

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Harry No. I loved those. To sacrifice myself my favorite.

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I'm still freaking dumb. I had to sacrifice myself and

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then he's like on the floor. I don't know what

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that move is called, but you know the way i'men.

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haven't come across one in a while. I gotta find either. Yeah.

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I love those. So, according to the local several others

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were not lucky enough to escape the vampire vine. Dunstan

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brought a route back with him to Europe to study,

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but it died on the way and had to be

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thrown out after it began to smell. The British journalist

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William Thomas Stead also published a story in his magazine

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Review of Reviews. Okay, wow, you know what. Okay, but

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this is what I would name a magazine that was

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reviewing things, review of reviews. Yeah. So he published a

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story review of Reviews of Dunstan Discovery and Instead said

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he was able to discover very little about the nature

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of the plant owing to the difficulty of handling it,

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for its grasp can only be torn away with the

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loss of skin and even of flesh. Yeah no thanks, yeah,

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Instead said. Dunstan describes how the plant drew blood from

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people or animals by using a number of infinite, infinite, infinite,

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infinitesimal infinite. Okay, I think it's like infinitimal. I'm not sure. Okay, infinity,

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amount of mosane, amount of mouths, yes, numerous, extra numerous,

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too many, too many mouths count which ordinarily closed open

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for the reception of food. If the substance is animal,

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that's the mouth and sorry it was a substance is animal.

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The blood is drawn off and the carcass or refuse

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then dropped. I wouldn't want to mess or come across

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this plant. Nope, nope. So then next we have the Abagucci. Okay,

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fun name. We're just getting fun names today. Yeah. So

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L Labauci, believe it or not, is a crypto that

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not only has a connection to Costatica, but also to

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West Virginia. Well, I'm surprised, and shock color be shocked. No,

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I am surprised. Labagucci was first spotted in Costatica, where

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many locals referred to it as dry land Banya. Well,

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that's terrifying. Yeah, that is surviving, Like paranas are like

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one of the scariest things about the ocean, and then

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they're gonna be on dry land like they actually don't

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like attack people like that. Oh, it's just like very

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very rare. Oh oh, I'm just picturing like all the movies,

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you know. Yeah, it's just the thing in the movies,

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like if you're in Amazon you fall in, They're not

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gonna Yeah, maybe something else will, but that's terrifying. I

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can't even think about that. No, you will never catch

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me there, no, no, no, no no. The strange creature

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is said to eat anything, no matter how big the

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animal might be, including animals as big as horses and cows. Wow,

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and good like catching one because it's said the creature

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will do anything to escape capture. But in nineteen ny nine,

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the West Virginia State Division of Natural Resources imported thirteen

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Abagucis to help the state combat growing predator populations. Jim

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Wilson said in an article he wrote for the Webster

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Echo in two thousand and one, the plan backfired when

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Abaguci population When the Abagucci population exploded and got out

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of control and began to attack livestock. Wow. In the article,

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Wilson described the creature as a carnivore that would be

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anything big or small, which freaked out the residents of

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West Virginia, who became terrified to go outside. Soon. Many

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residents also reported their own Abagucci sidings, which it led

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to reports of residents carrying around shotguns and others walking

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their kids to schools. Resident even claimed to have run

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over in ab Gucci. Wow, but it was all a hoax.

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The writer of the article later convinced, what the fuck

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I was eating this ship up? But yeah, yeah, okay, okay.

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The signings did not stop, and many continue to report

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Abgucci till this day. Okay, Well, let us know if

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you've seen Wow what else? Wild ride? Yeah, fir us

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I was like wait no, oh yes, no, oh yes, okay,

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hold on wait a minute, hold on true okay, and

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I think that's yourn of your Yeah, that's right, that

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was it. Okay, wow, well you know what. That was

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fun three fun little cryptids, and you know we needed

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it after this week that just finished this week. Oh yes, yeah.

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So with that, we'll take a little ad break and

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then we'll come back with my portion again, a true

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crime case, a tragic loss of a mother, but also

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like somehow doctor Phil is involved. I don't like that. No, no, okay,

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and we're back all right. So there is an episode

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of Killer Relationship. It's season two, Killer Relationships. Oh I

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can't remember that, militihow. It's either relationship or relationship show

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or podcast. Yeah, it's a show Killer Relationships. That sounds

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more normal. Okay, So it's a show called Killer Relationships.

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This is from season two, episode five. So that in

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combination with one really detailed article or my sources. So

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let's just start in the beginning. Twenty one year old

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Julie and Gonzalez loved her daughter. She would do anything

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for her. One day, her family could not get a

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hold of her, and her ex husband had told them

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while she was acting weird, and she told me she

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was taken off to Colorado, something they refused to believe. Gratefully, yes,

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of course they dug deep. This is the case of

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Julie and Gonzales. Julie Anne was born in nineteen eighty

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eight in Dripping Springs, Texas. Her mom was young when

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she had her, just nineteen years old, but she loved

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her daughter more than anything. She was part of a

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very tight knit family. Her sisters and brothers all lived

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in the same house, her grandparents. They all supported her

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as a young mom at nineteen, so her fifteen year

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old Tia, Julie's fifteen year old da was now her babysitter,

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so that Julie's mom could go continue her education. Her

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grandparents were always around. Everyone was around. And then her

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parents opened a general store in Dripping Springs, and I

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think that's just what it was called, the general store,

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and everyone knew the family. Everyone in town saw Julie

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growing up, and everyone describes her as so smart, so wise,

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kind beautiful, stubborn, and someone who just wanted to live

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life to the fullest, but also kind of like too fast,

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like she just wanted to be an adult. And you

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know when that's to me a red flag when someone

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says that about it. Not always, but yeah, so they

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did say that about her, that she she wanted to

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be an adult. So at sixteen, one of the employees

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of the grandparents' store started to get very close to Julie,

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and Julie's mom noticed that these two were passing notes

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back and forth. So Julie's mom confronted her and asked

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her straight up, are you in a relationship with Aaron?

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This is the employee. Julie then admitted, yes, we're together.

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But Aaron was twenty three years old and Julie was sixteen,

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so her mom was like, this is not okay. You're

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not allowed to see him anymore. When Julie went and listened,

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the grandparents fired Aarin from the store. They chased him

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off and he came around, so they were just like, no,

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they put an end to it. It was forbidden, not allowed,

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and you know, as you showed as a parent, yeah, yeah,

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try and protect the daughter, your kids, right, But again,

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very normal reaction that a sixteen year old would do.

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But Julie was so mad at her family for this,

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she resented them. She started to hate her mom for this.

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So a year went by where Julie was just not

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forgiving of her mom again. One of the things people

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described her as was like again kind, stubborn. Okay, So

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that's and she was. And so she was still mad

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at her mamma your whole year later. So at seventeen,

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Julie told not she didn't ask, She told her mom

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she was moving out to live with her Tia Laura

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in Austin, Texas, and trying to establage the relationship, trying

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to not make her more mad. And also because she

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was very close with her sister, she knew Julie would

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be in good hands. She agreed. She was like, okay, fine,

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you can move there. So Julie moved with her Dora

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to Austin, Texas. She enrolled into Crockett High School and

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this is her senior year now, and this is where

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she met George Dela Cruz, her boyfriend or the guy

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who would become her boyfriend the family, you know, met

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him right away because she was also very responsible, so

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she you know, she was doing her school work, she

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was involved in I don't know if things at school

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too light clubs, and she brought him home right away

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to meet the FI and the family noticed right away

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he's very quiet, he's very shy. They'd be like, are

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you sure you like him? Like he doesn't seem to

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be doing anything saying anything, like he's just there, what

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are you seeing him? And Julie would defend him, and

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of course it's her boyfriend. She would defend him and say,

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you know, you guys just need to know one better.

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He's very intelligent, he's so kind. And by the end

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of their senior year in two thousand and seven, things

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were very serious between the two. You know, they went

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to Prompt together. Then it was graduation and Julie received

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a scholarship from Saint Edward's University. So the two moved

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out together to be closer to the university so she

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could attend and it was a full riote scholarship. You know,

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they were young, but they were serious about their future.

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They did this so she could, you know, go to

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the school easier. And before her first year of school

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was even over, Julie was pregnant and when she told

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her mom, her mom remembers crying, but she wasn't mad.

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She was happy for her daughter that like, okay, you're

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gonna get to experience this too. Now, we know you're

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going to be a good mom because she's so responsible.

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And yeah, she can put her education on pause. Now

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that doesn't mean us forever. So everyone was accepting be

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for her, accepting, Yes, thank you, you're always here with

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the better words. So on September twenty seven, two thousand

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and seven, Julie's daughter, Layla was born, and Julie knew

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she couldn't attend university anymore, you know, she had a

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baby defeat. Now, she enrolled herself in a very you know,

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short career type thing and became a pharmacy technician at Walgreens.

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And I mean, honestly, when you're looking for a quick

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career that pays okay, where you can live, like, that's

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a good one to choose, Like, yeah, that's not a

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bad move at all. And that's what she did. But

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their living situation, her George and little Layla, it was

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not as easy. They relocated a few times. They were

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barely making the ends meet. George lost his most recent job,

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and unlike Julie, George just didn't have it together. He

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was not motivated. He wasn't like stepping up to the plate.

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Like Julie did, where Julie's like, I can't finish my degree,

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but I am going to get a career, something dependable,

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something I can do every day. He wasn't like that.

441
00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:14.440
Sometimes he worked, sometimes he didn't. He was in and

442
00:25:14.480 --> 00:25:18.880
out of jobs in construction in what was the other

443
00:25:18.920 --> 00:25:21.960
one I saw? Construction was one of them, random jobs,

444
00:25:22.039 --> 00:25:24.400
random jobs, and he didn't ever stay at one for

445
00:25:24.440 --> 00:25:28.359
too long. Eventually they moved in with George's mom, Victoria,

446
00:25:28.480 --> 00:25:30.880
and his three younger sisters to save money, because they

447
00:25:30.920 --> 00:25:33.839
just couldn't afford it if he wasn't also working. And

448
00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:37.880
so since Julie was the one going to work every day,

449
00:25:38.480 --> 00:25:41.440
they decided he would stay and take care of Laila.

450
00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:44.920
But then when Julie was coming back from work, their

451
00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:49.640
room in this house a complete mess. Wow, Laila was.

452
00:25:49.920 --> 00:25:53.200
She would find their daughter in dirty diapers that had

453
00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:55.799
been dirty for hours. Oh wow, And you can tell

454
00:25:55.839 --> 00:25:59.480
because of that gets heavy, of course, yeah, And it

455
00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:04.000
looks it's just gross. It's so bad. Like the rashes

456
00:26:04.039 --> 00:26:08.000
can get like first it's like a normal small rash. Okay, fine,

457
00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:10.559
that's not a big deal, but they can get bad.

458
00:26:10.759 --> 00:26:15.319
I have seen horrible rashes of course you have. Yes, Yes,

459
00:26:15.400 --> 00:26:18.279
of course you have that. They get it like basically

460
00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:22.960
equated to like like second degree burns. Yes, yes, And

461
00:26:23.160 --> 00:26:27.240
with him doing this every day, that's a problem. That's

462
00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:31.279
a straight up problem. So George was doing nothing all day.

463
00:26:31.400 --> 00:26:36.759
He just sat playing his Xbox for eighteen hours a day. Yeah, like,

464
00:26:36.920 --> 00:26:38.640
get it together. You have a child. Now, that's not

465
00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:41.000
to say you can't play games. I love one game

466
00:26:41.119 --> 00:26:45.000
Started Valleys, because you know, some people will be like, oh,

467
00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:47.720
you have a kidnap, you can't game anymore? You can,

468
00:26:47.920 --> 00:26:50.799
I mean everything in moderation, honestly, Yeah, even if he

469
00:26:50.839 --> 00:26:53.119
didn't have a kid, like you have other stuff to do.

470
00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:55.880
I'm sure everyone does. But I love to sit around

471
00:26:55.920 --> 00:26:59.759
and do nothing all day. Yes, did I do that? Sometimes?

472
00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:02.240
Not when I have other stuff to do, you know. Now,

473
00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:05.480
when I have a job to go to, yeah, or

474
00:27:05.559 --> 00:27:07.880
a child to take care of. I can't ignore them

475
00:27:08.119 --> 00:27:11.079
and play Started Value all day. It's not possible. Yeah,

476
00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:16.119
I'm picturing that meme with the sims the person throwing

477
00:27:16.160 --> 00:27:19.160
the character that. But there's like one where she's sitting

478
00:27:19.160 --> 00:27:24.279
on the computer and then all fired. Yes, Okay, that's George.

479
00:27:24.440 --> 00:27:27.680
That's George. But what does Xbox not a computer? Yes?

480
00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:32.240
Which is worse to me? Yeah? Yeah, well, I mean

481
00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:37.680
they're both there, both bad. But when is a SIMS mean? Yeah,

482
00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:43.960
one is not real, right, one is pretend? Yes, And

483
00:27:44.200 --> 00:27:48.400
this went on. They did not get better, but Julie

484
00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:51.720
thought he could change, and she really wanted to make

485
00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:56.319
it work. She didn't want to grow up. She didn't

486
00:27:56.359 --> 00:27:57.839
want Leyla to grow up like she did with a

487
00:27:57.880 --> 00:28:00.920
single mom. You know, you know, this is the problem.

488
00:28:01.400 --> 00:28:03.839
What I tell people all the time, all the time.

489
00:28:04.359 --> 00:28:08.400
There's nothing wrong. No, there's nothing wrong with going up

490
00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:13.279
with divorced parents in a single parent household, especially of

491
00:28:13.359 --> 00:28:16.440
the other parent is neglectful and harmful, you know what

492
00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:19.319
I mean? Like, yes, And I was gonna say this

493
00:28:19.480 --> 00:28:24.240
is the problem with society, yeah, not like emphasizing only

494
00:28:24.319 --> 00:28:30.000
caring about the what is it like the typical two

495
00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:35.359
parent women, two parent household? Yeah, because like regardless of

496
00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:38.359
Julie having grown up with a single mom, all her

497
00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:42.240
family was around taking care of her like everyone everyone,

498
00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:44.880
She had the support, even if a father was not present,

499
00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:49.160
Her grandparents were there her all her family like everyone.

500
00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:52.640
So I think when you don't do like self work

501
00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:55.319
or an insane amount of therapy, like almost too much.

502
00:28:55.839 --> 00:28:58.079
You don't realize, like you don't need to be comparing

503
00:28:58.160 --> 00:29:00.799
where you are in life to where other people were.

504
00:29:01.160 --> 00:29:02.839
You don't need to be like, oh the greener, the

505
00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:04.960
grass is greener on this side, where oh I need

506
00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:07.640
to stay in this marriage because two parents is always

507
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:09.960
better and blah blah blah blah. There's all this like

508
00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:14.680
societal messaging about that, and yes, stigmug and single moms

509
00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:17.319
and yeah, and when you have the resources you can

510
00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:20.559
break away from those sticks. You have the power to

511
00:29:20.599 --> 00:29:24.359
do that. And not everyone is there, Yeah, and that's unfortunately.

512
00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:28.759
I wish people were there because yeah, like oftentimes, like

513
00:29:28.839 --> 00:29:32.359
it's more harmful to the children to be like in

514
00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:35.680
this case, and yeah, sometimes to the other parent, you know, honestly,

515
00:29:35.799 --> 00:29:39.880
Like it's always usually worse to stay in a bad

516
00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:43.200
one hundred relationship marriage, you know, yeah, unless it really

517
00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:47.279
does get better, I don't then okay, fine, but no, Yeah,

518
00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:50.880
George didn't change at all. But she wanted this to

519
00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:53.359
She wanted this two parent households so bad for Layla.

520
00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:57.559
So they got married in secret because her family was

521
00:29:57.599 --> 00:30:00.200
not going to approve. She knew they weren't gonna proof.

522
00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:01.799
They would tell her he's not a good dad, he's

523
00:30:01.799 --> 00:30:03.720
not a good partner, he needs to step up. He's

524
00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:05.880
not doing he's not doing what a man is supposed

525
00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:08.640
to do. But you know that part, to me, it's

526
00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:10.720
like if he had been taken care of Laila, this

527
00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:13.960
want to be a problem. Yeah. And also like sometimes

528
00:30:13.960 --> 00:30:17.720
when you tell people again and again and again that

529
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:21.240
their partner is trash, they fucking suck Like it just

530
00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:24.799
pushes the other person away, causes them to be creative, secretive,

531
00:30:24.880 --> 00:30:26.759
and to no longer go to you for some part,

532
00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:29.359
which seems that like was the case here. That's true

533
00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:32.359
because yeah, when Layla was almost two, they got married

534
00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:35.519
in secret because Julie didn't want to tell her family, Yeah,

535
00:30:35.559 --> 00:30:37.559
because of all the things that had been saying about her,

536
00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:40.599
and she wanted that about him, yes, and then and

537
00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:43.319
she really wanted that to parent household for Laila. But

538
00:30:43.839 --> 00:30:47.200
seven months after the marriage, Julie confided to her mom

539
00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:51.200
that she wanted to leave George. Wow. She realized that

540
00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:54.160
he was never going to change, So she took Leayla

541
00:30:54.279 --> 00:30:58.559
and moved in with her grandparents back to Springs Something

542
00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:02.400
Springs depressed and Springs Now that wasn't the name straying up,

543
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:08.559
Dripping Spring, Dripping Oh, my goodness, it's suppressing. My bad.

544
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:12.200
I don't it's probably a fine town. I don't know.

545
00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:18.359
That just came out accidentally. Anyway. She moved back to

546
00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:22.160
Dripping Springs with her grandparents and took Layla with her.

547
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:24.319
She was over it, she was ready to leave him.

548
00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:27.720
But for the next six months, George was dragging his feet,

549
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:30.079
refusing to sign the vorce papers. Of course he was

550
00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:32.920
they always do this shit. No, of course, she called

551
00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:35.400
the lawyer, she drafted up the papers, she sent them

552
00:31:35.440 --> 00:31:37.640
to him. The last thing he just needed to sign.

553
00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:41.440
That's it. Wow. And during these six months of her

554
00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:44.319
trying to co parent, trying to be keep the peace,

555
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:47.440
to try and get him to sign those papers, they

556
00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:50.079
were still going to split custody fifty fifty. Like she

557
00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:55.759
was trying to just not be with him anymore, but amicably. Yeah.

558
00:31:55.839 --> 00:31:58.720
So during these six months, she was, you know, back

559
00:31:58.759 --> 00:32:02.240
in her hometown now, and she was at the store

560
00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:05.279
one day and she ran into her long lost love

561
00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:08.519
from her teenage years, which was inappropriate back then but

562
00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:12.640
not so much today. Their adults now erin And so

563
00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:14.799
she was grocery shopping when they ran into each other

564
00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:18.119
at the store, and apparently they she didn't even buy

565
00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:20.119
whatever she was going grocery shopping for. She just got

566
00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:23.319
so distracted running into Erin that we spent two hours

567
00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:27.240
talking that day at the grocery store d and she

568
00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:29.839
was so excited. She went home. She called her mom

569
00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:31.279
and she's like, oh my god, you won't believe what

570
00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:34.839
I ran into. And they started seeing each other after that.

571
00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:38.200
They called their relationship official in November two thousand and nine,

572
00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:43.519
and they were both very similar, hard working, driven. Julianne

573
00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:47.200
could see right away. Erin was responsible, reliable, He had

574
00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:50.240
his own apartment, he had steady work as an electrician.

575
00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:54.039
Basically everything in George was not. And they were adults now.

576
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:56.519
She was twenty one, he was twenty eight, so it

577
00:32:56.559 --> 00:32:59.599
wasn't like the first time where it was illegal and wrong.

578
00:32:59.799 --> 00:33:02.519
So you know, they're like, okay, we can, we can

579
00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:05.480
do this now. Like they were happy, but there was

580
00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:09.200
still one obstacle. Julie was still married to George because

581
00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:11.680
his aus was refusing to sign the force papers like

582
00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:15.000
a little bitch. Yeah, So Julie made sure to keep

583
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:18.200
her relationship with Aaron tight. She didn't want to upset

584
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:21.720
George because he still was reason to sign the papers.

585
00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:24.640
They still had to Copare and Leila together. She wanted

586
00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:27.799
to make sure everything was still good, that he was like,

587
00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:32.480
not upset George so near Lailah. When Layla was around,

588
00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:35.480
she never used Aaron's name so that she couldn't say,

589
00:33:35.640 --> 00:33:39.079
Mommy met Aaron, Yeah, Mommy Brian Aaron over. Yeah. She

590
00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:41.759
also made her my Space page private so not only

591
00:33:41.799 --> 00:33:44.039
friends could see it. That way, George couldn't see it

592
00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:46.480
because she deleted his ass as soon as she moved out.

593
00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:49.519
No longer in my top eight. You know, I can't

594
00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:51.400
picture being married if you didn't put your spouse on

595
00:33:51.400 --> 00:33:55.480
the top eight like you know back then. So she

596
00:33:55.559 --> 00:33:57.759
deleted him right away when she moved out. But she

597
00:33:57.799 --> 00:34:01.200
didn't think to remove George's cousin Addie from her friends.

598
00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:05.880
She man, there's always one nitch cousin or simply for real,

599
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:11.480
for real, and I see everything. So he showed George

600
00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:15.119
a picture Julie uploaded with Aarin that they were at

601
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:17.880
the Austin Zoo together on a day she had Leilah.

602
00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:20.039
They were there together. The picture was just them too,

603
00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:22.760
though it wasn't them too when Leila looking like a family,

604
00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:26.760
which probably would have upset him more. But that was

605
00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:29.559
still upsetting to him because he again was refusing to

606
00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:32.599
sign the papers right. So after he saw this picture,

607
00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:36.880
George started acting erratic and desperate. He faked amnesia on

608
00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:41.920
a weekend to get Julie and back amnesia. Amnesia, yes,

609
00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:44.320
And then he admitted to faking the amnesia. And she's like,

610
00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:48.880
I already knew, bitch. Wow. He also tried to kill himself.

611
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:53.880
She had picked up Leila from her George, and George

612
00:34:53.920 --> 00:34:56.840
told her after she was already gone, like, hey, there's

613
00:34:56.840 --> 00:34:59.000
a note in Nail's diaper bag. Like he told her

614
00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:01.360
this later and and when she finally read it and

615
00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:04.599
she was in her car to read the note, it

616
00:35:04.639 --> 00:35:08.400
was a suicide letter. Wow. So she rushed back to

617
00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:11.599
his house called nine one one, and he had taken

618
00:35:11.599 --> 00:35:15.679
some pills at the emergency services did arrive and saved him.

619
00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:18.519
But again, if he was really going to do way,

620
00:35:18.519 --> 00:35:19.880
he would have just done it. There was no need.

621
00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:23.400
This was manipulative, This wasn't well, it's a control tactic.

622
00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:27.000
But people like him, you know, the yes, taking forever

623
00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:29.679
to sign the divorce papers, trying to reel her back

624
00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:33.360
in with faking the illnesses. Yeah, and now this like

625
00:35:33.400 --> 00:35:37.119
it's too real, her back in and to maintain control. Yeah,

626
00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:41.000
and threatening suicide when someone's trying to leave you is abuse.

627
00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:44.440
It's to control. Yeah, yeah, it is abuse. So he

628
00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:46.840
was doing these things, but he was also showing up

629
00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:52.239
her work at the Walgreens pharmacy unannounced of course, stalking her. Yes, yeah,

630
00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:55.280
this is very I don't want to sound like I'm minimizing,

631
00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:57.039
making it sound like an everyday thing, but this is

632
00:35:57.079 --> 00:36:00.199
like textbook like abusive behavior. Yeah, yeah, I know. These

633
00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:04.239
are the clear signs, the controlling, the stocking. Well, those

634
00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:08.000
aren't even signs. Those are like abusive control. My bad. Yeah,

635
00:36:08.119 --> 00:36:10.280
that's what I mean by signs. They are the things

636
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:13.599
that abusive people are doing that you can say, you

637
00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:17.800
can clearly say this is abuse. Yes, yeah, okay. So

638
00:36:18.360 --> 00:36:21.400
he would call the pharmacy frequently and just hang up,

639
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:26.079
like again, controlling. Julie's boss had to kick him out

640
00:36:26.199 --> 00:36:29.320
of the store multiple times. There was another night where

641
00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:32.280
Julie freaked out called her boss after work, telling her

642
00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:35.920
that George was following her in his car, and during

643
00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:39.480
that call Julianne told her boss, if something ever happens

644
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:41.840
to me it was him, Oh my god. But she

645
00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:43.840
didn't want to cause any trouble by reporting him to

646
00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:47.039
the police because again, she just wanted the divorce to

647
00:36:47.079 --> 00:36:50.199
be peaceful. She's just trying to keep the peace. Yeah,

648
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:54.639
that makes sense, and sometimes things don't improve by going

649
00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:57.320
to the police or by filing or straining order. I

650
00:36:57.360 --> 00:37:01.599
saw a while ago on TikTok a video and it

651
00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:04.000
was there was like sources and stuff, so it was

652
00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:08.360
like legitimate, but I don't remember the mau like the percentage.

653
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:13.079
But the video talked about how when women or victims

654
00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:17.000
of like talking or violence garistraating order, their chance of

655
00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:23.599
being like physically harmed by their abuse or like spikes significantly.

656
00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:28.119
I'm not surprised how many stories, like not stories, like

657
00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:32.239
real accounts of pieces have we seen that this exact

658
00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:35.239
thing is happening. So, yeah, that's the statistic is not

659
00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:38.800
surprising at all. On days that they had to exchange

660
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:41.719
Leyla George would have blocked the front door to preventually

661
00:37:41.800 --> 00:37:45.639
from leaving again abuse. Yeah, and it's it's scary too.

662
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:48.480
This is the kind of situation where I know I

663
00:37:48.519 --> 00:37:50.480
know that she wanted to do the piece, and it

664
00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:52.239
makes sense that she wanted to keep the peace, but

665
00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:55.000
he was not cooperating regardless of her trying to keep

666
00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:57.400
the peace, and it would have been a situation where

667
00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:01.280
she maybe could have like qualify from like soul custody

668
00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:06.159
or having some kind of supervised person like a lot

669
00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:08.400
of times, like some people when they're in a situation

670
00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:11.920
like this with an abusive co parent, then you can

671
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.519
get somebody else to like coordinate others to do the

672
00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:19.800
pick up and drop off. But like those things take

673
00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:22.039
time and effort to look up money. Sometimes you have

674
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:24.719
to pay for others to supervise a visit and all

675
00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:27.679
of that. So, yeah, it's a lot. It's hard. It's hard.

676
00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:30.480
Julie Dish start having family members come with her for

677
00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:33.760
drop offs and pickups, and eventually the exchange was done

678
00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:37.199
between Julie and George's mother because she could do it

679
00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:40.159
with Georgia Brown and luckily her family was more than

680
00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:43.639
one yeah with her every time, and George's mother was

681
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:47.639
willing to do it too, because sometimes the parents enable

682
00:38:47.719 --> 00:38:50.000
this kind of behavior and don't like offer to help

683
00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:53.239
out and stuff. Yeah, so this is how things were

684
00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:57.440
for a while, and then on March twenty fifth, twenty ten,

685
00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:00.000
Julie was talking to her mom. She was on the phone.

686
00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:03.960
She had just spent the night with Aaron. This was

687
00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:06.119
a Friday now, and it was her turn to go

688
00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:09.320
pick up Leila. For some reason that day, she I

689
00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:12.199
mean maybe because she was already nearby because she was

690
00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:14.599
at Aaron's. She just said, I don't need a family

691
00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:18.079
member to come with me. I'm already right here. She

692
00:39:18.199 --> 00:39:20.800
did ask Arin that day for him to not go

693
00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:23.199
to work so they could stay together and watch movies like,

694
00:39:24.519 --> 00:39:26.199
but he was like, no, I gotta work. I gotta go.

695
00:39:26.360 --> 00:39:28.000
Like I can't. I don't have like I have bills

696
00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:29.880
coming up, I don't have sick days. I have to go.

697
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:32.639
They said bye to each other, and she was like

698
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:35.199
all right. She called her mom and she was like, oh, no,

699
00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:37.239
you don't need to come with me. It's okay. I'm

700
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:40.840
like right here. So she went and did the pickup,

701
00:39:41.079 --> 00:39:45.519
and then like later she Julie's mom was expecting her

702
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:47.239
a phone call again, because she was always calling her

703
00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:49.599
on her days off, like repeatedly. It was very normal

704
00:39:49.639 --> 00:39:52.079
for them. The phone call never came. The next day,

705
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:56.320
Julie's mom was calling again and again and Julie was

706
00:39:56.320 --> 00:39:59.360
not picking up. So right away, Julie's mom and her tias,

707
00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:02.480
everyone was worried. They reached out to Erin and he

708
00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:05.360
told them she broke up with him. He had received

709
00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:07.760
a text message saying she had to get away, and

710
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:10.119
he was confused because he was like, things were perfectly fine.

711
00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:12.480
That doesn't make any sense. Yeah it doesn't, Yeah, it

712
00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:15.519
doesn't make any sense. Julie's younger sister also started getting

713
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:17.360
texts from Julie's phone, but it was in a way

714
00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:19.880
that she never texted it. It was like things were misspelled.

715
00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:22.400
It was slaying that Julie just didn't use even in

716
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:24.920
her text messages. She was very proper the show. I

717
00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:27.760
was watching the episode on this. Her grandpa was like,

718
00:40:28.039 --> 00:40:30.239
she has sent a text that had the effort in it.

719
00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:33.000
She doesn't use this kind of language. Never, She's never

720
00:40:33.239 --> 00:40:35.039
like that. And he's like, and I know I'm a

721
00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:37.960
grandpa saying this, but no, I promise you she never

722
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:39.719
used this language. She would never send it in a

723
00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:42.599
text message. But these texts all had all that kind

724
00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:44.800
of stuff, things she would never say. Then they all

725
00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:47.960
looked at Julie's MySpace page together and it had this

726
00:40:48.119 --> 00:40:51.000
post going away hate all this ps want to run

727
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:54.440
away again in a way. She would never write things,

728
00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:57.840
just a one run on sentence, no spaces, no proper

729
00:40:58.639 --> 00:41:02.000
She was very proper. So the educators and she showed it. Yeah,

730
00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:04.039
they were like, this isn't her. There's no way. Then

731
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:06.519
there was another post it said, I met a software

732
00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:09.880
engineer named James and I'm leaving with him for Colorado.

733
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:12.239
I hope he's going to show me a good time again.

734
00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:14.960
They're like, no way, There's no way she would ever

735
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:17.639
leave Layla. Layla, her daughter was a world to her.

736
00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:20.119
She wouldn't just up and leave her for some guy

737
00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:22.679
named James when she was also that she had never

738
00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:25.360
even mentioned to anybody else, and she was in a loving,

739
00:41:25.400 --> 00:41:29.440
happy relationship with Aaron. Like, that's ridiculous, exactly. It sounds

740
00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:33.119
like something someone dumb would make up, some dumb motherfucker.

741
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:38.559
But playing spots and Lisa's kid in dirty diapers all

742
00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:42.760
day long, that's what that sounds like. No, because I

743
00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:46.159
thought the same thing right away. So Aaron then met

744
00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:49.119
up with Julie's mom and her tia, and he showed

745
00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:52.039
them a letter that Julie had left, and the letter

746
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:54.079
just talks about how she was so happy she was

747
00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:56.599
looking forward to them having a little boy together. Honestly,

748
00:41:56.679 --> 00:41:58.880
the letter was the cute. It reminded me of something

749
00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:02.559
you write in middle school or in high school to

750
00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:05.519
a boyfriend where you're playing your features together, which honestly

751
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:07.920
makes sense if they were together for a little bit

752
00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:10.320
when she was in high school. Yeah, like maybe she

753
00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:13.119
was still hot, like she was remembering those and she

754
00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:15.079
just wrote down. It was like written on you know,

755
00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:17.239
binder paper, and it had like, you know how you

756
00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:19.960
used to write bubbly letters like yeah, yeah, okay, So

757
00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:23.239
it had Aaron and Julie in bubble letters that were

758
00:42:23.280 --> 00:42:26.119
like shaded, and then she wrote, you know, the whole thing.

759
00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:27.880
And I'm like, first of all, was damn, who writes

760
00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:29.920
like that this much? Things these days? But this was

761
00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:32.920
in twenty ten, oh yeah yeah, and she wrote like

762
00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:34.960
she was She wrote, I can't wait for us to

763
00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:37.599
live our lives together. We're gonna have a little boy,

764
00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:41.639
We're gonna get married, live as a family with Leila here,

765
00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:44.320
and I'll like, you know, live together. It's gonna be

766
00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:47.480
so beautiful. It's everything we ever wanted, Like it was

767
00:42:48.519 --> 00:42:51.119
a beautiful letter. So the breakup text he received just

768
00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:54.000
didn't make any sense, yeah, because like how would she

769
00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:58.280
write this heartfelt letter and then hours later break up

770
00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:01.480
with him via text with no explome nation, right, Yeah,

771
00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:04.199
that doesn't make any sense. No, and the family agreed

772
00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:06.079
with him, so they all went out looking for her,

773
00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:08.639
also the normal response where they knew she would hang out,

774
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:11.679
but no one had seen her. So then they filed

775
00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:16.000
the missing persons report and police did arrive at Julie's

776
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:19.199
mom's house forty eight hours later after you know, she

777
00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:22.239
was picking up the calls or anything. They took statements,

778
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:24.280
but then another officer was like, wait a minute, this

779
00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:27.920
sounds familiar. This name you're telling me Julie Ane Gonzalez.

780
00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:29.519
He's like, I'm pretty sure I took a statement about

781
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:33.239
this earlier. And then the family mentioned like, well, the

782
00:43:33.320 --> 00:43:35.519
last one to see in her if it was an

783
00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:38.719
errand it had to be George de la Cruz, her ex,

784
00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:41.960
And then he was like, wait a minute, George la Cruz. Yeah,

785
00:43:42.039 --> 00:43:44.920
he called and gave a report, and he looked through

786
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:47.559
his files and he's like, yeah, George de la Cruz

787
00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:50.679
called in a report or called into report that his

788
00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:54.559
wife abandoned their child. What the hell? Yes, And so

789
00:43:54.679 --> 00:43:57.000
now the family was freaking out because one, she would

790
00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:01.119
never abandon Leila, and then Austin PD were like, well,

791
00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:03.639
she's an adult, like and she's allowed to leave if

792
00:44:03.679 --> 00:44:06.559
that's what she's doing, Like, there's nothing to do here that.

793
00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:09.079
I hate when that like that. I say that because

794
00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:11.400
sure it's true, but also like, why can't you take

795
00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:14.599
into account like literally everyone that knows this person saying

796
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:18.000
they would never do anything like that. Yeah, No, seriously,

797
00:44:18.199 --> 00:44:21.519
I wonder the same thing. Her family was to drop.

798
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:24.199
They had no choice but to wait. The next morning,

799
00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:28.119
Julie'stia was on her way to work when she decided

800
00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:31.719
she would drive the route Julie took too from her

801
00:44:31.719 --> 00:44:35.159
house to her work. She passed by a Walgreens, not

802
00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:38.519
the Walgreens Julie worked at a different one, but she

803
00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:42.199
passed by and saw Julie's car parked in the parking lot.

804
00:44:42.280 --> 00:44:44.280
It was the only car in the parking lot that morning.

805
00:44:44.440 --> 00:44:47.039
She pulled in. She rushed in, ran to the car,

806
00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:51.480
and nothing was inside. She called Julie's mom and Aaron.

807
00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:54.239
She called both to them and they arrived a little

808
00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:56.440
bit earlier, but while she was waiting for them to arrive,

809
00:44:56.519 --> 00:44:58.599
she ran inside, thinking, oh my god, maybe she's just

810
00:44:58.599 --> 00:45:02.480
inside this store. But she wasn't there. She talked to

811
00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:04.760
the front desk person, not from desk. This is a Walgreens,

812
00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:07.840
it's not a clinic. She talked to the cashier, the

813
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:10.800
cash person at the cash register, and they hadn't seen her.

814
00:45:11.880 --> 00:45:16.760
So by now Aaron and Julie's mom arrived and yeah,

815
00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:18.880
they were like, no, this is weird. She would never

816
00:45:18.920 --> 00:45:22.679
leave her car either, like, so they called the police,

817
00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:24.599
who did go to check it out because they could

818
00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:27.000
have easily ignored it. And while the police were checking

819
00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:30.079
the car out, Julie's mom begged them like look into George,

820
00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:32.039
like this might have been the last person to see her.

821
00:45:32.119 --> 00:45:35.079
Plus he lives around the corner from this Walgreens. Yeah,

822
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:37.559
and her car is right here, Like this is two

823
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:41.920
they can't be a coincidence exactly, And so yeah, police

824
00:45:41.960 --> 00:45:46.480
went over to George's house and when police arrived, George

825
00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:50.719
told them, well, Julianne was acting weird. She asked me

826
00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:53.239
to keep Lailah with me this weekend instead of taking

827
00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:56.159
her because she has something to do, and she just left,

828
00:45:56.559 --> 00:45:59.519
and she looked like she was under the influence of

829
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:01.639
some drugs, even though she had no history of taking

830
00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:05.800
drugs at all. So he let police inspect the house.

831
00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:07.400
They they were like, all right, we're going to make

832
00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:09.360
sure she's not here. So they looked around. They made

833
00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:11.760
their way to the backyard, which had a playhouse and

834
00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:13.840
a storage shed in it. And the shed had a

835
00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:18.199
large square cut into the piewood floor and there was

836
00:46:18.280 --> 00:46:22.159
fresh sawdust around it. The officer noticed that the cut

837
00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:25.199
portion was loose. When he stepped on it, it almost fell in.

838
00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:27.119
It almost caved in when he stepped on it. So

839
00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:30.679
he lifted the piewood and there was a weird empty

840
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:35.559
trench that was about five feet long, two feet wide,

841
00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:39.880
and one and a half feet deep. That's the size

842
00:46:39.880 --> 00:46:44.159
of a person. Wow. Yeah. George claimed that someone had

843
00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:48.159
dug the hole for plumbing purposes. Later way later, his

844
00:46:48.280 --> 00:46:51.760
mom would testify that when she asked about the hole,

845
00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:54.280
he acted as surprise and told her he had no

846
00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:56.679
idea how the hole got there. Oh my god, a

847
00:46:56.760 --> 00:47:00.920
human signed a hole for plumbing, and not even like

848
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:07.320
a big human, right fight queen. Yes. And so even

849
00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:11.239
though this trench was very out of place. The police

850
00:47:11.320 --> 00:47:15.599
didn't consider anything to be suspicious. Come on, man, yeah

851
00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:17.880
they didn't. Yeah, so whatever. They were just like, all right, well,

852
00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:21.880
there's nothing here. She seemed to have disappeared voluntarily, and

853
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:24.760
you know, as far as they could tell, Julianne was alive,

854
00:47:24.920 --> 00:47:28.239
not in any imminent danger. Wow. That's a hard word

855
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:32.480
to say. Yeah, and she had voluntarily withdrawn from family

856
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:35.480
and friends, so there was no crime. I just don't understand.

857
00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:38.559
I don't understand why they can't. Don't also, or didn't

858
00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:42.079
take into consideration that she was texting differently than she

859
00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:45.239
normally does. Wouldn't that be like a sign that that

860
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:47.960
wasn't her? It should be Yeah, you would think, you

861
00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:51.199
would think, but no. Her family just was like, all right,

862
00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:54.519
it's up to us now. So they went back to

863
00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:57.519
where Julie's car was, and her mom and her Dyeah

864
00:47:57.760 --> 00:47:59.679
slept there like two days in a row, seeing if

865
00:47:59.719 --> 00:48:02.800
she would come back. She didn't come back, and again

866
00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:04.800
police were like, we're not going to do anything. Our

867
00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:07.159
hands are tied. So the family started putting up missing

868
00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:10.599
posters everywhere, no missing flyers everywhere. They paid for a

869
00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:13.760
missing poster billboard on the side of the freeway just

870
00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:16.440
have you seen me? And then it had her info

871
00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:20.159
and her information. They sent out hundreds and hundreds of emails.

872
00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:23.440
They were able to get local the local Fox seventh

873
00:48:23.599 --> 00:48:26.599
channel to cover her story, how she hadn't been seeing,

874
00:48:26.639 --> 00:48:29.480
how the police wasn't doing anything. They talked to anyone

875
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:32.599
and everyone, and the community really came together searching for her.

876
00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:35.800
Even Aaron, who the family, was like, oh my god,

877
00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:37.119
what did he do it? He was one of the

878
00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:39.559
last ones to see her, even he was out there

879
00:48:39.639 --> 00:48:42.880
looking helping every day, and we're real George, yes, I was,

880
00:48:43.159 --> 00:48:47.519
you know who didn't do shit? Who? Even her Julianne's

881
00:48:47.519 --> 00:48:49.400
youngest sister was like, where is that motherfucker?

882
00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:50.039
No?

883
00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:50.719
Where do we seen?

884
00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:51.920
No?

885
00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:57.000
Where do we seen? Finally, on April sixth, Austin p

886
00:48:57.119 --> 00:49:00.360
d brought Georgian for questioning, and in his interview, George

887
00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:03.519
told the detective that he was worried someone took her

888
00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:05.639
or made her belief she had to run away. The

889
00:49:05.800 --> 00:49:08.159
detective was like, well, I had to ask did you

890
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:10.519
kill her? And George was like, I would never. My

891
00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:13.119
daughter was with me, like I could never, And the

892
00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:16.519
detective noted George soundered nervous, but he was like, I mean,

893
00:49:16.519 --> 00:49:21.000
who wouldn't sound nervous, It's true, asked if you killed someone,

894
00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:23.639
So he was like, there's nothing suspicious about his behavior.

895
00:49:23.960 --> 00:49:26.440
And there that's where it ended, and the family was

896
00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:30.440
left wondering and desperate. The days turned into weeks. One

897
00:49:30.440 --> 00:49:34.039
month later, May twenty ten, the family got a call

898
00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:36.599
from the Doctor Phil Show. They let the family know

899
00:49:36.719 --> 00:49:39.199
that George had agreed to come onto the show and

900
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:41.920
take a light detective test on camera. Was the family

901
00:49:42.039 --> 00:49:44.079
trying to get on the show and get George on

902
00:49:44.119 --> 00:49:47.519
the show or did George take it upon himself. Doctor

903
00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:52.599
Phil contacted George, Oh okay on the stories Yeah, oh

904
00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:56.400
my god. First of all, this is stupid to agree to. Yeah,

905
00:49:56.440 --> 00:50:00.079
George is stupid. You should never agree to take a

906
00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:03.239
polygraph test, even if they're not admissible to court. This

907
00:50:03.360 --> 00:50:07.840
is just dumb ass behavior. Yeah. Again, he's not very smart. Yeah.

908
00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:10.719
And the and the Doctor Phil Show wanted to let

909
00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:12.639
the family know and also give them a chance to

910
00:50:12.639 --> 00:50:14.239
see if they wanted to be on the show too,

911
00:50:14.719 --> 00:50:18.519
which they agree to. They were like, name out, yeah, wow,

912
00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:24.480
so let me send I'm shocked a video. Yeah, this

913
00:50:24.679 --> 00:50:29.599
is the family getting the results of the test. Okay, so,

914
00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:32.119
but they did show the whole thing him taking it

915
00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:35.960
as well. Oh wow, are you ready? Yeah? One two three,

916
00:50:36.039 --> 00:50:37.719
then play so one two three.

917
00:50:38.639 --> 00:50:42.719
He was asked, are you responsible for Julie's disappearance? He

918
00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:48.079
answered no. He was asked, did you cause Julie's disappearance

919
00:50:48.159 --> 00:50:55.719
during the month of March? He answered no. Those were

920
00:50:55.760 --> 00:51:00.400
not truthful answers. He failed the PolyGram.

921
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:05.039
Test, and we we knew it.

922
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:07.079
This was not a close call.

923
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:08.719
This was not a close call at all.

924
00:51:09.599 --> 00:51:14.000
If if he scored a minus two or three, that

925
00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:18.039
would be conclusive. Minus three to either of those questions

926
00:51:18.159 --> 00:51:22.800
or minus four in concert is deceptive on this particular format,

927
00:51:23.079 --> 00:51:28.800
and his score was minus fourteen. Let's talk about this.

928
00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:35.199
Wow, So like again, fuck doctor Phil. Yeah, but he

929
00:51:35.320 --> 00:51:37.480
was doing more than the police at this point, not

930
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:42.719
because he's a good person, because he's an opportunistic little bitch. Yeah. Yeah,

931
00:51:43.159 --> 00:51:47.079
it feels almost wrong watching this because polygraphs are not

932
00:51:48.199 --> 00:51:52.400
I don't want to be as Yeah, there's a reason

933
00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:54.719
they're in admissible in court. And yeah, this is just

934
00:51:54.760 --> 00:51:59.320
playing off, you know, exploiting their emotions, and I don't

935
00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:02.320
I don't know, but I understand that of course it

936
00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:05.159
would feel like they knew it all along. Yeah, and

937
00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:11.960
validating to them, Yeah, that will leave it there understandable. Yeah.

938
00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:17.519
So it was hard though seeing her react like that, like, yeah,

939
00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:19.519
she was like trying to hold it in and she

940
00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:22.000
couldn't anymore. I'm like, oh my god. Yeah. Again very

941
00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:25.320
parasitic of doctor philm but no, yeah, like the normal

942
00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:30.480
yeah yeah. Yeah. So another part that I couldn't find

943
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:32.599
the clip of, but it is in an episode of

944
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:36.480
Killer Relationships. They showed footage of George and his mom

945
00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:39.679
after the polygraph test and the mom is like what

946
00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:41.719
did you do? What did you do? Crying and like

947
00:52:42.440 --> 00:52:45.719
asking him and he's like nada, na his mommy, you

948
00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:49.079
know me, you know me? And she's like no, damn.

949
00:52:49.280 --> 00:52:57.159
Actually that's that's the right one that was on air

950
00:52:57.440 --> 00:53:03.079
on the episode, and Austin PD was watching. Wow, And

951
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:06.239
so this kicked off the real investigation for Austin PD.

952
00:53:06.679 --> 00:53:09.199
Not only did they know this kid's stupid. Yes, of

953
00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:12.800
course they started getting bombarded with calls because they're like

954
00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:15.119
we saw this on Doctor Phil. They're like, hey, what

955
00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:17.119
are you doing about this? Why are you not looking

956
00:53:17.119 --> 00:53:18.760
into this, Why are you not investigating? Why is that

957
00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:22.960
your film investigating? Did your fucking job? So finally they

958
00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:24.840
were like, okay, let's open this up. This is no

959
00:53:24.880 --> 00:53:28.000
longer a missing case. This is a homicide case. Detectives

960
00:53:28.039 --> 00:53:30.639
wanted to bring him in now for proper questioning, but

961
00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:32.960
George lawyered up, and they gave him. They gave him

962
00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:36.599
a lot of times lawyer up. So but it's your

963
00:53:36.639 --> 00:53:39.079
right to have a lawyer. No, of course, it is

964
00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:42.280
your right. Yeah, it's always funny funny in shows when

965
00:53:42.599 --> 00:53:44.920
the person doesn't lawyer up and just like confesses, and

966
00:53:44.920 --> 00:53:46.519
it's like, this is not the way it works in

967
00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:50.360
real life, Like, yeah, Bones, that happened so much on Bones,

968
00:53:51.519 --> 00:53:55.119
detectives try searching for this supposer James. They had to

969
00:53:55.159 --> 00:53:57.679
follow up every lead, especially now that they couldn't get George.

970
00:53:57.840 --> 00:53:59.519
It just pissed me off that they could have been

971
00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:02.039
doing this all along. But okay, oh yeah, but they

972
00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:04.360
refused them to until it was on Doctor Phil. So

973
00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:08.239
in a way, the publicity that that garnered exactly not

974
00:54:08.440 --> 00:54:10.920
Doctor Phil is not to think for, but the publicity

975
00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:13.000
that came with it that finally got them to be like,

976
00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:18.239
that's funny looking they really kind of family checked this beforehand. Yeah, yeah,

977
00:54:18.280 --> 00:54:21.440
of course. So detectives tried to search for the supposed

978
00:54:21.559 --> 00:54:24.360
James to see if you existed. They looked into phone records,

979
00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:28.039
into social media. They also looked into Aaron because they

980
00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:30.280
had to search every avenue investigation now that they were

981
00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:34.440
finally investigating, So they brought Aaron back in questioning him.

982
00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:38.320
He was shocked about the text messages, confused, he didn't understand,

983
00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:41.320
he didn't believe it was her. But then he also

984
00:54:41.320 --> 00:54:43.800
told them he deleted the messages, he didn't have them anymore,

985
00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:46.800
and detectives were like, that's a red flag. Okay, now

986
00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:48.760
they're talking about red flags. Okay, I don't know if

987
00:54:48.800 --> 00:54:50.920
I would want to see the person I was with.

988
00:54:51.119 --> 00:54:53.360
I wouldn't want a reminder of these messages if I

989
00:54:53.360 --> 00:54:56.000
didn't even know where they were. Like, I understand the deletion,

990
00:54:56.360 --> 00:54:59.719
and I guess I understand them looking that looking suspicions.

991
00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:03.079
Understand both ways. Both yeah both. So then they were like,

992
00:55:03.159 --> 00:55:05.559
let's go over that Friday that you were together. So

993
00:55:05.639 --> 00:55:10.360
Aaron told him told the police that Julianne had asked

994
00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:12.159
him to skip work that day because she had the

995
00:55:12.239 --> 00:55:14.719
day off too, and they could like hang out watch movies,

996
00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:17.239
and he was like, no, I need to go to work,

997
00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:20.239
and so he left for work and that was the

998
00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:22.480
last time he saw her. Later, he came home and

999
00:55:22.519 --> 00:55:25.400
he found the letter that she had written for him,

1000
00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:27.960
the one I mentioned earlier that was it was very cute.

1001
00:55:28.639 --> 00:55:31.880
And they took that letter to compare it to other

1002
00:55:31.960 --> 00:55:34.960
handwriting that the family had of things she had written

1003
00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:39.719
out planning the planners, things like that, and the handwriting

1004
00:55:39.800 --> 00:55:41.719
was a match. This was a genuine letter. This was

1005
00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:47.000
really Julianne. They were really in a good, committed relationship. Finally,

1006
00:55:47.199 --> 00:55:51.119
Aaron was ruled out, so this search for the alleged

1007
00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:54.159
James went nowhere. Then finally they decided to focus on

1008
00:55:54.199 --> 00:55:56.760
George again because he was the only other lead they had.

1009
00:55:57.199 --> 00:56:00.840
They were looking at the evidence and it took them

1010
00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:05.440
to George. Yes, the path went to George, back to George. Yeah,

1011
00:56:05.480 --> 00:56:09.480
I went sin circle back to George. So they found

1012
00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:13.360
out George had used Julie's debit card right before she

1013
00:56:13.400 --> 00:56:15.519
went missing or right after, sorry, right after she went

1014
00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:20.400
miss key uster. Yeah, after there was debit card. Like

1015
00:56:20.440 --> 00:56:22.519
they looked at the bank records and they saw that

1016
00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:27.360
it had been used at a store after her family

1017
00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:30.599
said she was missing. So with this they were able

1018
00:56:30.679 --> 00:56:33.719
to get a warrant to search his house. Yes, at

1019
00:56:33.719 --> 00:56:36.559
the house they found various steps of ammunition, lake text

1020
00:56:36.599 --> 00:56:39.719
gloves and knife, pieces of burn clothes from a pit

1021
00:56:39.800 --> 00:56:43.840
in the backyard, a lot of cleaning products, digging tools

1022
00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:47.440
near that trench that was there, and a big dirt

1023
00:56:47.480 --> 00:56:51.280
pile behind the storage shed there was also it had

1024
00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:54.360
been that big dirt pile had been covered with the

1025
00:56:54.360 --> 00:56:59.000
mattress and other household items. Interesting. So weird things, but

1026
00:56:59.119 --> 00:57:02.239
not like in need it on their own right. When

1027
00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:05.320
they asked about the debit card usage, he said, oh, well,

1028
00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:07.480
when she had left, she came back to put it

1029
00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:09.360
in the mailbox for me so I could use it

1030
00:57:09.360 --> 00:57:12.519
for our daughter. That makes zero sense. Why would she

1031
00:57:12.679 --> 00:57:15.800
leave it in the mailbox when if she was still

1032
00:57:16.039 --> 00:57:18.679
there she would be like, here's my debit card. Also,

1033
00:57:18.800 --> 00:57:20.840
does he not have his own money? But whatever? Probably not.

1034
00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:23.880
It doesn't work. It doesn't work. He just plays Xbox alting. Yes,

1035
00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:28.159
so this was an immediate red flag. Yeah, still not

1036
00:57:28.280 --> 00:57:30.000
enough to get an arrest warrant, but they had a

1037
00:57:30.039 --> 00:57:32.480
warrant to search the house, So they took the Xbox

1038
00:57:32.679 --> 00:57:36.000
to analyze, and they also took his phone and they

1039
00:57:36.039 --> 00:57:39.119
already had Julie's phone and the phone records, but like,

1040
00:57:39.360 --> 00:57:42.760
technology isn't where it was today, I don't know, So

1041
00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:46.000
it took them a long ass time to get that information.

1042
00:57:46.360 --> 00:57:49.280
Years went by. Her family kept putting up posters. When

1043
00:57:49.280 --> 00:57:51.639
the ones that they had put up before started wiring out,

1044
00:57:51.679 --> 00:57:55.360
they would put up new ones. They unfortunately had lost

1045
00:57:55.400 --> 00:58:00.199
contact with their granddaughter Layla because George and his mom

1046
00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:03.559
didn't let them see her. Well that just piss me off, Wow,

1047
00:58:03.880 --> 00:58:08.119
it really does. Yeah, because like he Okay, at this

1048
00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:10.920
point in time and the where we're at, he wasn't

1049
00:58:10.920 --> 00:58:13.440
proven to be him yet, but like he took their

1050
00:58:13.519 --> 00:58:16.639
daughter from them, and now he's taking their granddaughter right

1051
00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:19.840
because he's not letting them see her. Yeah. Then in

1052
00:58:19.840 --> 00:58:24.599
twenty thirteen, the data from George's Xbox was finally available

1053
00:58:24.639 --> 00:58:29.119
to Austin PD. So George typically gamed eighteen fucking hours

1054
00:58:29.119 --> 00:58:31.719
a day, every day, without a beat, without missing that

1055
00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:36.679
the day Julie went missing, the Xbox had not been

1056
00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:40.440
used for twenty hours. Okay, so they were like, okay,

1057
00:58:40.599 --> 00:58:44.440
this is suspicious. Yeah, when the Xbox was back on

1058
00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:47.440
and reconnected to the internet. It was at a friend's

1059
00:58:47.480 --> 00:58:51.239
house in North Austin, Julie's phone also being there after

1060
00:58:51.280 --> 00:58:53.559
she was already missing. It was from the same IP

1061
00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:56.679
address as the xbox. So he was like taking his

1062
00:58:56.800 --> 00:59:00.320
xbox around to places. Yeah, he took his xbox his

1063
00:59:00.360 --> 00:59:02.360
house over to his friend's house. Okay, I see, I

1064
00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:05.800
see yeah, and after it was not usually for twenty hours.

1065
00:59:05.840 --> 00:59:08.960
Presumably George's Xbox and Julie's phone were in the same

1066
00:59:08.960 --> 00:59:11.360
place after she was missing. Right, Julie was not there.

1067
00:59:11.639 --> 00:59:14.719
She was missing before that. The Xbox hadn't been used

1068
00:59:14.760 --> 00:59:18.159
for twenty hours. Twenty hours not for him exactly, like

1069
00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:20.199
he was busy or something like he was doing something

1070
00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:23.559
out of the ordinary that day. Yes, because again this

1071
00:59:23.679 --> 00:59:26.000
without a beat was on eighteen hours a day. So

1072
00:59:26.079 --> 00:59:29.519
then police were able to find video surveillance from a

1073
00:59:29.599 --> 00:59:34.880
Walmart that caught George on camera texting. Those texts matched

1074
00:59:34.880 --> 00:59:37.519
with time stabs on Julie's phone. He was the one

1075
00:59:37.559 --> 00:59:41.239
who sent the breakup message to Aaron, of course, and

1076
00:59:41.320 --> 00:59:44.679
he was the one texting the family nonsense and things

1077
00:59:44.719 --> 00:59:47.079
that were grammarly incorrect and think she would never say.

1078
00:59:47.159 --> 00:59:49.280
He also was the one who updated the MySpace page.

1079
00:59:49.360 --> 00:59:52.239
Three years after she went missing, police finally had enough

1080
00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:54.880
for an the rest warrant. They brought George Dela Cruz in.

1081
00:59:55.400 --> 00:59:59.400
When Austin PD arrested George, they contacted Julie's family so

1082
00:59:59.440 --> 01:00:03.280
they would know George has been arrested, he's admitted to

1083
01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:07.480
killing her, but there was nobody still. Oh my god.

1084
01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:10.280
They were devastated because they were still hoping she would

1085
01:00:10.280 --> 01:00:13.559
return because all this time she was missing. Yeah, but

1086
01:00:13.599 --> 01:00:19.880
now he's been arrested and he's admitted to killing her.

1087
01:00:21.039 --> 01:00:23.840
So the trial began in the fall of twenty thirteen,

1088
01:00:24.239 --> 01:00:26.960
but the DA was very concerned about the outcome because

1089
01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:30.800
they did not have a body. These cases are the hardest, yeah,

1090
01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:33.320
hardest to prove, so it took them two years to

1091
01:00:33.360 --> 01:00:37.719
prepare the case. Finally, in twenty fifteen, they found a

1092
01:00:37.800 --> 01:00:40.559
clear motive that just couldn't to them. It was like,

1093
01:00:40.599 --> 01:00:43.320
this is solid. George had found out about her and

1094
01:00:43.519 --> 01:00:46.559
erin because again his fucking cousin at Yette. I hope

1095
01:00:46.559 --> 01:00:50.960
Marienne feels horrible about this. I really probably doesn't if

1096
01:00:50.960 --> 01:00:55.079
he's related to George to yeah, I hope means white hope.

1097
01:00:55.119 --> 01:00:58.159
But I don't know. It turns out George saved that picture.

1098
01:00:58.239 --> 01:00:59.760
They found it out his phone, the one that I

1099
01:01:00.280 --> 01:01:02.400
showed him. He had it on his phone. Dumb ass

1100
01:01:02.639 --> 01:01:06.280
move my god. If he really not more than dumbass allegations,

1101
01:01:06.519 --> 01:01:10.880
No he's not so. At the trial, in May testified

1102
01:01:11.079 --> 01:01:15.320
that while in jail, because from twenty thirteen to twenty fifteen,

1103
01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:18.599
George had been in jail waiting trial. So what sellmate

1104
01:01:18.760 --> 01:01:22.000
testified that George had been venting that he and his

1105
01:01:22.119 --> 01:01:25.880
estranged wife Julie got into an argument because another man, Aaron,

1106
01:01:26.360 --> 01:01:30.800
was in her life and they were together. George told

1107
01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:34.760
the inmate that the argument turned physical and that Julie

1108
01:01:34.760 --> 01:01:38.480
Anne fell and hit her head and was rendered unconscious.

1109
01:01:38.599 --> 01:01:41.719
And when George told this to the cellmate, he minimized

1110
01:01:41.760 --> 01:01:44.320
the fight that they had, that it was an accident,

1111
01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:47.079
of course, of course, but there was a fact that

1112
01:01:47.159 --> 01:01:50.199
he dug that trench in his backyard before Julianne even

1113
01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:54.079
arrived to pick up Leilam so premeditated. This was planned

1114
01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:58.440
because he had also presented to be her on the

1115
01:01:58.440 --> 01:02:02.480
phone when he was texting, and so there was it

1116
01:02:02.559 --> 01:02:06.920
was clear that this fight and her missing. All this

1117
01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:11.119
is in the same day, and the witnesses testimony like

1118
01:02:11.519 --> 01:02:15.719
further corroborated all of this. Yeah, because now they had

1119
01:02:15.719 --> 01:02:19.039
a definitive like there was a fight. Yeah, so they

1120
01:02:19.079 --> 01:02:22.159
had all the information already about the trench being there

1121
01:02:22.400 --> 01:02:26.400
or a doug he was impersonating her on the cell phone.

1122
01:02:26.480 --> 01:02:29.360
And then they found out about the argument from that inmate.

1123
01:02:30.039 --> 01:02:33.519
Mm hmmm. And then also so they well, do I

1124
01:02:33.519 --> 01:02:35.519
have this in my news? Let me just double check.

1125
01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:41.440
I don't, okay. So another thing that the state really

1126
01:02:41.440 --> 01:02:44.119
tried to emphasize in their argument is that this was

1127
01:02:44.320 --> 01:02:47.480
actually pre planned. It wasn't like even what George told

1128
01:02:47.519 --> 01:02:51.719
that inmate, because he had asked to keep Layla an

1129
01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:55.360
extra day and he had that. The day he kept

1130
01:02:55.440 --> 01:02:58.800
Layla is when he dug the trench. The next day,

1131
01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:04.639
she without a family friend to pick up. So that's

1132
01:03:04.679 --> 01:03:07.639
another thing I think. So it was like an out

1133
01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:11.679
of ordinary routine pickup. So then she was like others

1134
01:03:11.719 --> 01:03:14.559
heids name, She's already has it arranged and scheduled with, Yeah,

1135
01:03:14.599 --> 01:03:17.519
like her family to come with her to pick Leela. Yes,

1136
01:03:17.559 --> 01:03:19.559
but then now we have a pickup date. That's on

1137
01:03:19.599 --> 01:03:21.519
a different day, and she's like, oh, it's fine. Maybe

1138
01:03:21.519 --> 01:03:23.840
it's not inconvenience anybody, maybe because she thought, you know,

1139
01:03:23.920 --> 01:03:26.239
of course, nothing of it, because who would think like

1140
01:03:26.480 --> 01:03:29.719
something like that would aim to them? Yes, exactly, So

1141
01:03:29.800 --> 01:03:32.960
they were arguing this was planned, and I agree with them.

1142
01:03:33.039 --> 01:03:36.360
He took an extra day exactly, like there's no way

1143
01:03:36.400 --> 01:03:40.239
around it to me. Yeah. So the defense, you know,

1144
01:03:40.679 --> 01:03:45.559
emphasized that George didn't have a criminal history, but the

1145
01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:50.199
state called up Julianne's mom, her aunt. They all talked

1146
01:03:50.199 --> 01:03:54.480
about how much they missed Julianne. You know. Victim impact

1147
01:03:54.519 --> 01:03:57.320
statements I think is what they're called, where they come

1148
01:03:57.360 --> 01:04:00.960
and you know, testify like what how this has affected them,

1149
01:04:01.079 --> 01:04:04.320
and also that they're keeping Leila from them too. So

1150
01:04:04.480 --> 01:04:08.119
and then the defense called Victoria, George's mother, to cecify

1151
01:04:08.199 --> 01:04:10.239
that George had never been convicted of a felony, that

1152
01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:12.840
he was a good son, good brother, he was raised

1153
01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:15.480
by both his parents, like that means anything, that he

1154
01:04:15.519 --> 01:04:19.320
was never physically or sexually abused. Again, people putting emphasis

1155
01:04:19.360 --> 01:04:23.360
on this arbitrary structure or not structured what's the word,

1156
01:04:23.719 --> 01:04:28.800
I know what you mean, socially constructed? Yes, expectation. Yes, yeah,

1157
01:04:29.079 --> 01:04:32.519
so they emphasized or they She shared that he had

1158
01:04:32.519 --> 01:04:35.199
ever been physically or sexually abused. Again, what is that?

1159
01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:37.960
Don't I don't know what that would implicate on his character.

1160
01:04:38.199 --> 01:04:41.320
I'm not sure. She said he graduated from high school,

1161
01:04:42.599 --> 01:04:45.679
that when he was employeed, he contributed to household expenses.

1162
01:04:45.679 --> 01:04:47.840
But she can't even say he's responsible because he wasn't

1163
01:04:47.840 --> 01:04:51.000
always employed in contributing to household expenses. So yeah, and

1164
01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:54.360
then she called them an angel. At first I thought

1165
01:04:54.400 --> 01:04:57.440
I was like, oh, she she when you talked about

1166
01:04:57.440 --> 01:05:00.639
the field doctor philla interview or whatever, not interview, what's

1167
01:05:00.639 --> 01:05:03.199
it called? But then the state played that clip of

1168
01:05:03.239 --> 01:05:07.280
doctor film. What do you think here? Huh? But on

1169
01:05:07.320 --> 01:05:13.760
this date what he said this explain that I wish

1170
01:05:13.840 --> 01:05:14.599
I don't think they did.

1171
01:05:14.719 --> 01:05:14.800
No.

1172
01:05:14.880 --> 01:05:18.239
I mean, that would be points that would sound like

1173
01:05:18.280 --> 01:05:22.920
a sound argument. It's not, but it would be funny.

1174
01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:26.639
It was right. So the trial lasted one week and

1175
01:05:26.760 --> 01:05:31.719
after six hours, the jury found him guilty. George guilty

1176
01:05:31.800 --> 01:05:35.440
of murder at the first degree. He was sentenced to

1177
01:05:35.440 --> 01:05:40.159
life in prison. Once he was in trial or doing

1178
01:05:40.199 --> 01:05:44.280
this trial, the family of Julie Anne also brought forth

1179
01:05:44.360 --> 01:05:48.239
a civil suit over the custody of Layla. Oh wow,

1180
01:05:48.599 --> 01:05:51.599
and they forced George's family into a fifty fifty split

1181
01:05:51.599 --> 01:05:55.400
custody for her good, which, honestly, I love for them

1182
01:05:55.400 --> 01:05:58.880
because it's so stupid that, like, first of all, not

1183
01:05:58.920 --> 01:06:03.119
even stupid. It's wrong to keep her from her a family. Yeah,

1184
01:06:03.159 --> 01:06:05.760
and that's what they were doing. Yeah, And I'm like you,

1185
01:06:06.199 --> 01:06:08.960
obviously it's not always the parents fallow how children turn out.

1186
01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:13.599
But you raise a murder you raised George. Yeah, so

1187
01:06:13.760 --> 01:06:16.599
like you raised George de la Cruz. So what does

1188
01:06:16.679 --> 01:06:20.079
that mean? Yeah, it has doing something right? I think so,

1189
01:06:20.360 --> 01:06:25.559
I think so. I don't know, I feel like, Yeah,

1190
01:06:25.679 --> 01:06:28.960
George remains in prison to this day. He maintains that

1191
01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:32.920
he's innocent, and you can find clips of him his

1192
01:06:33.039 --> 01:06:36.280
Doctor Phil appearance. He's on the show trying to blame

1193
01:06:36.320 --> 01:06:39.199
another family member on Julie's side of the family for

1194
01:06:39.239 --> 01:06:42.320
her disappearance. How does that make any sense? None of

1195
01:06:42.360 --> 01:06:45.800
what he says makes sense when before it was oh yeah,

1196
01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:48.159
James like a bunch of dumb lies that he can't

1197
01:06:48.159 --> 01:06:50.760
even keep track of because he's dumb again, Yeah, dumb.

1198
01:06:50.880 --> 01:06:53.960
But you know, at the end of the day, her family. One.

1199
01:06:54.280 --> 01:06:56.480
The person who lost in all of this is Laila

1200
01:06:56.639 --> 01:06:59.800
because now her stupid ass father is in prison because

1201
01:06:59.800 --> 01:07:02.199
of the stupid thing he did, because he's a controlling

1202
01:07:02.320 --> 01:07:06.519
piece of shit. Yeah right, and then he took Leayla's

1203
01:07:06.519 --> 01:07:09.360
mom's life. She doesn't have her parents now, you know,

1204
01:07:09.480 --> 01:07:13.239
her parents or her mom. Juliana's mom lost her daughter forever,

1205
01:07:13.360 --> 01:07:16.159
her aunts, they all are missing her in her remains

1206
01:07:16.280 --> 01:07:19.079
are still they don't know where they are. Fucking George

1207
01:07:19.079 --> 01:07:22.480
won't say because he maintains he's innocent. They're holding out

1208
01:07:22.519 --> 01:07:25.719
hope that he one day changes his mind and says, actually,

1209
01:07:25.920 --> 01:07:27.880
this is so fucking sad, but this is what they're

1210
01:07:27.880 --> 01:07:30.840
waiting for. This is what Julie and Mom said in

1211
01:07:30.880 --> 01:07:33.960
the episode. She said, we're holding out hope that when

1212
01:07:34.039 --> 01:07:36.599
Lena is old enough, she might ask her dad. We're

1213
01:07:36.639 --> 01:07:40.760
not gonna make her because that's wrong, that's terrible. Yeah,

1214
01:07:40.800 --> 01:07:43.360
but we're wondering if she will be old enough one

1215
01:07:43.400 --> 01:07:45.480
day and she'll wonder and she'll ask him, and then

1216
01:07:45.559 --> 01:07:50.880
finally he'll admit it. That's their hope. Now that's terrible, right, yeah,

1217
01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:53.360
so that they can finally give her a proper funeral

1218
01:07:53.400 --> 01:07:55.559
and put her to rest. Yeah, because they still don't

1219
01:07:55.559 --> 01:07:59.840
know where she is. She's still missing. That's yeah, horrible,

1220
01:08:00.159 --> 01:08:03.199
like there's no one else. No, there really isn't. And

1221
01:08:03.320 --> 01:08:06.920
that was the case of Julianne Gonzalez. George, may you

1222
01:08:07.000 --> 01:08:10.480
raw and hell and also your cousin Adiel for sharing that.

1223
01:08:11.400 --> 01:08:13.159
And I guess. Yeah, that brings us to the end

1224
01:08:13.199 --> 01:08:16.399
of the episode. Yeah, before we go, we'll take a

1225
01:08:16.439 --> 01:08:25.359
little outbreak here and we're back for speaking recommendations. Do

1226
01:08:25.439 --> 01:08:28.520
you have any actually, I do do. It's more like

1227
01:08:28.520 --> 01:08:34.359
a crime thriller novel. I guess, okay, but I listened

1228
01:08:34.880 --> 01:08:38.920
to start pulling it up. I finished quite a few

1229
01:08:38.920 --> 01:08:42.119
books since the last time you recorded, because I wasn't

1230
01:08:42.159 --> 01:08:47.399
here last time. That's right. Yeah, let's see, I talked

1231
01:08:47.439 --> 01:08:50.399
about The Last Housewife in our book club. We're a

1232
01:08:50.399 --> 01:08:54.279
book club with MJ. Reading with MJ. And that's right. Yeah,

1233
01:08:54.439 --> 01:08:57.000
so yeah, let me know if anyone wants to join

1234
01:08:57.159 --> 01:08:59.439
MJ's book club. She just runs it on discord. It's

1235
01:08:59.520 --> 01:09:02.319
very in for but you can chat with her and

1236
01:09:02.560 --> 01:09:05.079
all of us on the book that she has chosen,

1237
01:09:05.119 --> 01:09:08.720
which is parable of well, you can say it parable

1238
01:09:08.800 --> 01:09:12.199
of the Sower and I finished it already because I

1239
01:09:12.239 --> 01:09:14.079
was listening to the audiobook, and I go through audibooks

1240
01:09:14.079 --> 01:09:16.439
healthfast because I listen to it when I'm walking and driving,

1241
01:09:16.600 --> 01:09:19.920
you know, and it was really good. I think most

1242
01:09:19.960 --> 01:09:23.520
people probably know what it's about. Parable of the Sower

1243
01:09:23.840 --> 01:09:27.439
is is a series. There's one other book, the earth

1244
01:09:27.520 --> 01:09:31.720
Seed series. It's by Octavia Butler, and the description is

1245
01:09:31.760 --> 01:09:35.079
when global climate change and economic crisis leads to social

1246
01:09:35.159 --> 01:09:40.960
chaos in the early twenty twenties now now California, it

1247
01:09:40.960 --> 01:09:44.640
becomes full of dangers, from pervasive water shortage to masses

1248
01:09:44.720 --> 01:09:46.960
of vagabonds who will do anything to live to see

1249
01:09:47.000 --> 01:09:50.800
another day. Fifteen year old Lauren Olamina lives inside a

1250
01:09:50.840 --> 01:09:54.600
gated community with their preacher father, family and neighbors, sheltered

1251
01:09:54.640 --> 01:09:58.359
from the surrounding anarchy in society where any vulnerability is

1252
01:09:58.399 --> 01:10:02.319
a risk. She suffers from hyper empathy, a debilitating sensitivity

1253
01:10:02.359 --> 01:10:05.720
to others' emotions. Precocious and clear eid, Lauren must make

1254
01:10:05.720 --> 01:10:08.079
her voice heard in order to protect her loved ones

1255
01:10:08.079 --> 01:10:11.600
from the imminent disasters of her small community. Severally ignores,

1256
01:10:11.720 --> 01:10:14.560
but what begins as a fight for survival soon leads

1257
01:10:14.600 --> 01:10:16.760
to something much more the birth of a new faith

1258
01:10:16.920 --> 01:10:19.840
and a startling vision of human destiny. It was really good.

1259
01:10:20.359 --> 01:10:23.439
I won't say it's much because you're still reading. Yeah,

1260
01:10:23.560 --> 01:10:26.479
I'm on chapter two. This was blown up on TikTok

1261
01:10:26.520 --> 01:10:28.680
because people were like, oh my gosh, she was predicting

1262
01:10:28.720 --> 01:10:31.039
the future. But I just want to say she was

1263
01:10:31.039 --> 01:10:33.960
looking at the world around her, using what is literally

1264
01:10:34.039 --> 01:10:37.680
going on at the time, and like seeing where it's going.

1265
01:10:37.840 --> 01:10:43.159
But it's not like not only that she was describing

1266
01:10:43.199 --> 01:10:46.800
the past. Oh sorry, that too, the president in the past.

1267
01:10:46.800 --> 01:10:52.079
For her, everything she mentioned has happened, right, but also

1268
01:10:52.159 --> 01:10:56.119
people in the book. People keep pointing to Trump as

1269
01:10:56.159 --> 01:10:58.199
being the figure in her book, but it was based

1270
01:10:58.239 --> 01:11:01.640
on Reagan, right, because all of this has happened before.

1271
01:11:01.960 --> 01:11:04.760
This is what I'm saying, Like, this is the same,

1272
01:11:05.319 --> 01:11:07.520
This moment in time is nothing new, you know what

1273
01:11:07.520 --> 01:11:12.840
I mean? Yeah, And sadly this is why people say like, oh,

1274
01:11:12.960 --> 01:11:15.399
unpercenteded times and I'm like, no, they're very president. Everything

1275
01:11:15.479 --> 01:11:18.920
has been precedented. COVID was precedented. That's not the first,

1276
01:11:19.319 --> 01:11:25.119
you know, widespread worldwide infectious disease. It's like not even

1277
01:11:25.159 --> 01:11:29.840
the second or the fifth. Right, Like, all of this

1278
01:11:29.880 --> 01:11:33.079
has happened before. And yeah, a lot of people like

1279
01:11:33.079 --> 01:11:36.560
when they're talking about this book, they they're like, oh,

1280
01:11:36.760 --> 01:11:39.119
this is this is our president. These are horrible events.

1281
01:11:39.159 --> 01:11:41.800
Blah blah blah blah. I read a I don't know

1282
01:11:41.880 --> 01:11:44.359
if I saved it, but I read a post on

1283
01:11:44.399 --> 01:11:46.079
read it about it, and they're like, I think what

1284
01:11:46.199 --> 01:11:49.800
she wanted to take, what Octavia wanted readers to get

1285
01:11:49.800 --> 01:11:54.279
out of it, is to like the way that Lauren

1286
01:11:54.560 --> 01:11:57.039
and the people she comes across, their vibe is by

1287
01:11:57.159 --> 01:12:02.680
trusting each other, by building community. Yes, yes, also a

1288
01:12:02.720 --> 01:12:05.880
lot of people don't read the rest and the s Yeah,

1289
01:12:05.880 --> 01:12:09.239
I'm gonna read. I'm yeah, listen to the second one soon.

1290
01:12:09.560 --> 01:12:12.600
But also like also by not being in denial, you know.

1291
01:12:13.439 --> 01:12:17.399
And because so you're in chapter two, I think you

1292
01:12:17.640 --> 01:12:19.479
I don't think this is spoiler, because I think you

1293
01:12:19.600 --> 01:12:22.319
probably already read about it, but everyone in her community

1294
01:12:22.680 --> 01:12:24.560
it's like, oh, no, that's not going to happen to us,

1295
01:12:24.640 --> 01:12:28.119
like about every little thing. And then you got to

1296
01:12:28.159 --> 01:12:29.640
the part where she's trying to talk to her friend

1297
01:12:29.800 --> 01:12:33.239
like about prepping. Yeah, and her friend goes and stitches

1298
01:12:33.279 --> 01:12:35.560
and then she gets in trouble and it's like nothing

1299
01:12:35.800 --> 01:12:38.680
she was saying was out outrageous, Like she was just

1300
01:12:38.720 --> 01:12:42.159
like we should all have gobacks. Yeah, we all should

1301
01:12:42.199 --> 01:12:44.159
have go backs. So I have one, No, I should

1302
01:12:44.159 --> 01:12:48.680
probably get one ready soon. But like these are little

1303
01:12:48.680 --> 01:12:50.560
things that we can all do, like every day to

1304
01:12:50.600 --> 01:12:55.840
prepare ourselves for emergencies, whether whatever kind of emergency they are,

1305
01:12:55.920 --> 01:12:57.720
you know what I mean. And so yeah, I think

1306
01:12:57.760 --> 01:13:00.319
that was one thing that that Reddit post. It's like

1307
01:13:00.399 --> 01:13:02.520
really like it stood out to me, like it's not

1308
01:13:02.560 --> 01:13:04.600
about the horrible things that are happening in this book

1309
01:13:04.600 --> 01:13:07.640
and yeah, they're horrible, it's about the people coming together,

1310
01:13:07.800 --> 01:13:10.600
learning to trust each other in this high stress environment

1311
01:13:11.119 --> 01:13:14.560
and learning how to prepare for Yeah, it's like the

1312
01:13:14.600 --> 01:13:17.840
Walking Dead and actually yeah, I was financed can have

1313
01:13:17.920 --> 01:13:19.800
reviews of it. And then people are like, this is

1314
01:13:19.920 --> 01:13:24.079
very like giving me Walking Dead vibes. Yeah, where it's like, yeah,

1315
01:13:24.119 --> 01:13:27.119
it's horrible, but you have to build a community, trust

1316
01:13:27.159 --> 01:13:30.079
the people in that community, and survive together. And that's

1317
01:13:30.119 --> 01:13:33.439
how you get You cannot get through the pandemic, the

1318
01:13:33.520 --> 01:13:37.920
zombie apocalypse or right now by yourself. You need community. Also,

1319
01:13:37.920 --> 01:13:40.760
why I wanted to announce that we and I've been

1320
01:13:40.800 --> 01:13:43.600
forgetting to do this, but starting now, we are gonna

1321
01:13:43.680 --> 01:13:46.680
do twenty percent of our patron funds are going to

1322
01:13:46.720 --> 01:13:49.119
go to some charity. It's probably always going to be

1323
01:13:49.560 --> 01:13:52.920
immigration or at least Latin or Latina related. Right now,

1324
01:13:52.920 --> 01:13:55.680
it's all going to be immigration related. So I mean,

1325
01:13:55.680 --> 01:13:58.000
if you have charity suggestions, let us know and we'll

1326
01:13:58.000 --> 01:14:01.520
look into those. I already have several too, So yeah,

1327
01:14:01.520 --> 01:14:03.760
because that's important, Like it's on your neighbors, even though

1328
01:14:03.760 --> 01:14:07.119
I don't want to. I am gonna work on that.

1329
01:14:08.359 --> 01:14:14.359
But but my neighborhood I don't know. No, yeah, you's

1330
01:14:14.800 --> 01:14:17.399
you know, acting it anyway, all that to say that

1331
01:14:18.479 --> 01:14:21.119
I highly recommend this book, but I think again, I

1332
01:14:21.159 --> 01:14:23.399
think people are focusing too much on oh, she's predicting

1333
01:14:23.439 --> 01:14:25.880
the future, blah blah blah, Like that's not what it's about.

1334
01:14:26.119 --> 01:14:28.159
That's not what this book is about. Like, oh, she's

1335
01:14:28.199 --> 01:14:31.000
a magician or a or a not a magician, what

1336
01:14:31.039 --> 01:14:34.279
does that thing claroyan? Yeah, yeah, it's like, no, she's

1337
01:14:34.279 --> 01:14:36.359
a black woman who knew how things were going, who

1338
01:14:36.479 --> 01:14:41.720
knew how how things had gone. Yes, yes, so anyway,

1339
01:14:42.000 --> 01:14:44.479
the only thing I didn't like, honestly, it's the orty stuff.

1340
01:14:45.600 --> 01:14:49.079
Oh my god, it makes it the trilogy. Yes, yeah,

1341
01:14:49.199 --> 01:14:51.239
it makes sense. It does make sense the way she's

1342
01:14:51.279 --> 01:14:53.920
like working things out. But honestly, was too preachy for me.

1343
01:14:54.319 --> 01:14:56.720
It's just not I'm just not a spiritual kind of person.

1344
01:14:56.760 --> 01:14:59.319
It didn't it didn't fit my vibe, although it was

1345
01:14:59.359 --> 01:15:01.399
funny though parts of it are funny, like when she's

1346
01:15:01.399 --> 01:15:03.079
talking to the other people about it and they're like,

1347
01:15:03.119 --> 01:15:06.600
oh my god, I guess that's all I'll say about it.

1348
01:15:06.640 --> 01:15:09.600
But yeah, everyone should read it and listen to it,

1349
01:15:09.840 --> 01:15:12.800
whatever content, and if you want to chat about it again,

1350
01:15:13.000 --> 01:15:16.640
MJ has a discord yeah, where she we're doing like

1351
01:15:17.640 --> 01:15:22.239
very informal discussions about it. Yeah. And then I listened

1352
01:15:22.239 --> 01:15:26.439
to and read a few other thrillers and when was

1353
01:15:26.439 --> 01:15:28.560
The Housemaid? Which I don't want to talk about Freedom

1354
01:15:28.600 --> 01:15:34.840
mcfannon because I'm just kidding, because because I saw a

1355
01:15:34.880 --> 01:15:38.960
TikTok that Ashley was reading, well, not reading, she just

1356
01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:40.680
had the book. I'm sure she didn't read it. She

1357
01:15:40.800 --> 01:15:43.600
was just holding it upside down. Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty

1358
01:15:43.600 --> 01:15:45.920
sure it was upside down. It was a Freedom mcfaannon book.

1359
01:15:45.960 --> 01:15:47.600
She's like, oh, I'm gonna read Freedom mcfann and I

1360
01:15:47.600 --> 01:15:49.239
heard she was good, and I saw my a book

1361
01:15:49.239 --> 01:15:50.720
club about it. I'm like, you, guys, I'm sorry, I

1362
01:15:50.760 --> 01:15:54.159
can't read. I can't read Free to her again. But

1363
01:15:54.199 --> 01:15:57.119
they're just like, what do they call them? Popcorn thrillers.

1364
01:15:57.479 --> 01:16:01.520
It's just entertaining. Its substance to it. It just catchy,

1365
01:16:01.600 --> 01:16:04.560
entertains in a while, that's what you want, you know, honestly,

1366
01:16:04.600 --> 01:16:06.079
most of the time, that's what I want to read.

1367
01:16:06.520 --> 01:16:10.359
And I finished it in a weekend because it was

1368
01:16:10.760 --> 01:16:15.640
very I couldn't put it down. Yeah, ridiculous, honestly, but

1369
01:16:16.439 --> 01:16:21.039
nonetheless very entertaining. And you know, if you're into that

1370
01:16:21.479 --> 01:16:23.720
kind of like entertaining thriller that you can't put down.

1371
01:16:23.840 --> 01:16:27.720
Of course, I'm sure everyone has read it by now. Yeah.

1372
01:16:27.760 --> 01:16:30.359
And then I listened to another one called The Last Housewife,

1373
01:16:31.039 --> 01:16:36.000
and it reminded me of a true crime story I

1374
01:16:36.039 --> 01:16:39.039
had heard and I cannot remember. I feel like they

1375
01:16:39.079 --> 01:16:41.920
probably the author took inspiration from that true crime case,

1376
01:16:41.960 --> 01:16:45.439
because the true crime case was a group of college

1377
01:16:45.479 --> 01:16:49.800
girls who and there's like podcasts and documentaries about this,

1378
01:16:50.000 --> 01:16:53.039
but I of course don't remember the case or anything

1379
01:16:53.079 --> 01:16:56.760
about like the names of anything, but it was four.

1380
01:16:57.560 --> 01:16:59.520
I don't know it was four. It was college girls

1381
01:16:59.760 --> 01:17:04.520
who who became friends with one of their roommate's dad.

1382
01:17:04.880 --> 01:17:07.199
But the dad turned out to be like control and abusive,

1383
01:17:07.600 --> 01:17:10.880
and you know what I'm talking about. So I don't

1384
01:17:10.880 --> 01:17:12.039
know the name of the case. Well, you know what

1385
01:17:12.079 --> 01:17:15.760
I'm talking about. Yeah, And he basically ends up having

1386
01:17:15.920 --> 01:17:19.399
like a cult. He becomes the cult leader of these

1387
01:17:19.560 --> 01:17:23.279
of those girls, college girls. Yeah, And that's kind of

1388
01:17:23.279 --> 01:17:27.680
what the book is about. Let me see the and

1389
01:17:27.720 --> 01:17:33.560
It's the Last Housewife by Ashley Winstead. Description. While in

1390
01:17:33.640 --> 01:17:36.640
college in upstate New York, Shay Evans and her best

1391
01:17:36.640 --> 01:17:39.319
friends and met a captivating man who said to stem

1392
01:17:39.640 --> 01:17:41.800
but the web of lies about the way the world works,

1393
01:17:41.880 --> 01:17:45.079
bringing them under his thrall. By senior year, Shay and

1394
01:17:45.119 --> 01:17:47.880
her friend Laurel were the only ones who managed to escape.

1395
01:17:48.399 --> 01:17:50.800
Now eight years later, she's built a new life in

1396
01:17:51.680 --> 01:17:54.520
a Tony, Texas suburb, But when she hears the horrifying

1397
01:17:54.560 --> 01:17:58.039
news of Laurel's death, delivered always by her favorite to

1398
01:17:58.119 --> 01:18:02.520
crime podcast Crusade Her, she begins to suspect that the

1399
01:18:02.600 --> 01:18:05.159
past she thought she buried is still very much alive

1400
01:18:05.359 --> 01:18:08.439
and the prayer is more dangerous than error. Recruiting the

1401
01:18:08.439 --> 01:18:10.720
help of the podcast host, who actually is like her

1402
01:18:10.760 --> 01:18:12.800
childhood friends, so it's not just like a random podcast

1403
01:18:12.840 --> 01:18:14.119
host that she was just at to because I feel

1404
01:18:14.119 --> 01:18:15.640
like that would have been like far fetched, but it's

1405
01:18:15.640 --> 01:18:18.000
her childhood friend who happens to have a podcast anyway.

1406
01:18:18.239 --> 01:18:20.560
Recruiting the help of the podcast host, Shay goes back

1407
01:18:20.600 --> 01:18:23.119
to the place she vowed never to return in search

1408
01:18:23.159 --> 01:18:25.880
of answers. As she follows the threads of her friend's life,

1409
01:18:25.920 --> 01:18:28.840
she's pulled into the dark, seductive world where wealth and

1410
01:18:28.920 --> 01:18:33.319
privileged shield brutal philosophies that feel all too familiar. When

1411
01:18:33.520 --> 01:18:37.199
Shaye's obsession with uncovering the truth becomes so consuming, she

1412
01:18:37.239 --> 01:18:39.920
can no longer separate her desire for justice from dark,

1413
01:18:40.439 --> 01:18:44.239
darker desires. Nearly reawakened, she must confront the depths of

1414
01:18:44.239 --> 01:18:47.920
her own complicity and conditioning. But the world built for

1415
01:18:48.000 --> 01:18:50.439
men to rule it, both inside the cult and outside

1416
01:18:50.479 --> 01:18:52.439
of it, is just as even I possible, and is

1417
01:18:52.439 --> 01:18:54.680
so how far will Shaye go to get it? It

1418
01:18:54.760 --> 01:18:57.560
was good, Yeah, it was okay. It was kind of

1419
01:18:57.600 --> 01:19:00.520
hard to listen to because there's like pretty glick graphic

1420
01:19:00.600 --> 01:19:05.760
descriptions of like sexual abuse control well not like they're

1421
01:19:05.800 --> 01:19:08.279
not describing the abuse, but what is going on is

1422
01:19:08.279 --> 01:19:11.159
controlling an abusive like if that makes sense, that's what

1423
01:19:11.239 --> 01:19:15.399
I meant, yeah, okay, And but they also describe like

1424
01:19:15.439 --> 01:19:21.239
physical abuse like hitting okay, okay, like lashes like things

1425
01:19:21.279 --> 01:19:25.000
like that. So I just hate descriptions of sexual abuse

1426
01:19:25.000 --> 01:19:28.880
the most. They as you want to throw up. It's

1427
01:19:28.920 --> 01:19:33.199
not like really describing that. But there is like coersion okay,

1428
01:19:33.279 --> 01:19:35.800
and like manipulation involved this, so like I mean it

1429
01:19:35.880 --> 01:19:40.199
kind of still is, but it's very of the time now,

1430
01:19:40.439 --> 01:19:42.199
well even it's from twenty twenty two. I was like,

1431
01:19:42.199 --> 01:19:43.479
when does this come out? What do you mean of

1432
01:19:43.520 --> 01:19:47.159
the time, because it's like the cold is like a

1433
01:19:47.399 --> 01:19:50.760
like a trad uh, like a group of men who

1434
01:19:50.760 --> 01:19:54.119
wants to bring back like traditional values and you know

1435
01:19:54.159 --> 01:19:56.079
what I mean, that kind of shit. So that's what

1436
01:19:56.119 --> 01:19:59.239
I meant. Okay, But it was good. I recommend it.

1437
01:19:59.279 --> 01:20:02.439
I read it for on five stars. Okay, And let's

1438
01:20:02.479 --> 01:20:05.720
see what else. The one I recently finished and I

1439
01:20:05.760 --> 01:20:09.159
really liked it was Where They Last Saw Her, And

1440
01:20:09.199 --> 01:20:13.079
this one is about missing and murdered Indigenous women. Oh

1441
01:20:13.159 --> 01:20:17.319
where they last saw her. Yeah by Marcy R. Randon.

1442
01:20:17.760 --> 01:20:20.800
So here's that description. Quill has lived on the Red

1443
01:20:20.840 --> 01:20:23.920
Pine Reservation in Minnesota her whole life. She knows what

1444
01:20:23.960 --> 01:20:26.319
happens to women who look like her, just a girl.

1445
01:20:26.399 --> 01:20:29.039
When Jimmy Sky jumped off the railway bridge and she

1446
01:20:29.159 --> 01:20:32.680
ran for help, Quill realizes now that she's never stopped running.

1447
01:20:33.000 --> 01:20:35.560
As she trains for the Boston Marathon. Early one morning,

1448
01:20:35.640 --> 01:20:37.840
out in the woods, she hears a scream. When she

1449
01:20:37.920 --> 01:20:40.680
returns to search the area, all she finds are tire

1450
01:20:40.720 --> 01:20:43.680
tracks and a single beaded et ring. Things are different

1451
01:20:43.720 --> 01:20:45.760
now for Quill than when she was a lonely girl.

1452
01:20:46.119 --> 01:20:48.159
Her friend's Punk. The only thing that bothered me was

1453
01:20:48.159 --> 01:20:50.319
a friend's name, Punk. I'm like, that's a dumbass nickname.

1454
01:20:50.319 --> 01:20:52.239
But what I don't like a dumb name? I know,

1455
01:20:52.359 --> 01:20:54.720
I don't I hate that. Yeah, you're right. Her friends

1456
01:20:54.800 --> 01:20:56.960
Punk and Galen are two women who don't know what

1457
01:20:57.039 --> 01:20:59.359
it means to quit her loving husband Crow, and they're

1458
01:20:59.359 --> 01:21:02.640
beautiful and challenge her to be better every day. So

1459
01:21:02.680 --> 01:21:04.960
when she hears the second woman has been stolen, she's

1460
01:21:05.000 --> 01:21:08.159
determined to do something about it, starting with investigating the

1461
01:21:08.199 --> 01:21:10.920
group of men working in the pipeline construction just north

1462
01:21:10.920 --> 01:21:13.560
of their homes. As Quill closes in on the truth

1463
01:21:13.600 --> 01:21:17.000
about the missing woman, someone else disappears in request to

1464
01:21:17.000 --> 01:21:19.520
find justice for all of the women of the reservation,

1465
01:21:19.840 --> 01:21:22.840
Oh my God, reservation. She's confronted with the hard truths

1466
01:21:22.840 --> 01:21:25.520
of their home and the people who purport to serve them.

1467
01:21:25.960 --> 01:21:29.119
When will she stop losing neighbors, friends, family, As Quill

1468
01:21:29.159 --> 01:21:31.359
puts everything on the line to make a difference, The

1469
01:21:31.439 --> 01:21:35.760
novel asks searing questions about Bisundric culture, the averbations of

1470
01:21:35.840 --> 01:21:38.680
even one act of crime, and the long lasting trauma

1471
01:21:39.039 --> 01:21:42.760
of being considered invisible. So I really liked it, But

1472
01:21:42.840 --> 01:21:45.279
some reviews I saw, I said it was a little

1473
01:21:46.119 --> 01:21:49.039
like have you heard what people say authors should show

1474
01:21:49.159 --> 01:21:51.840
not tell? Yeah, And people were like, she was telling

1475
01:21:51.920 --> 01:21:54.199
not showing. But I didn't mind it. I don't know

1476
01:21:54.239 --> 01:21:56.000
if it's different reading it than listen to it, but

1477
01:21:56.039 --> 01:21:57.960
I didn't mind it. And then people were complaining about

1478
01:21:57.960 --> 01:21:59.960
the main character and making dumb ass choices. But she's

1479
01:22:00.279 --> 01:22:02.319
stressed out, she's trying to figure out what's going on,

1480
01:22:02.479 --> 01:22:05.319
Like she's not thinking straight, she's just thinking like she

1481
01:22:05.319 --> 01:22:07.199
has justice on her mind, that's on her mind, So

1482
01:22:07.239 --> 01:22:09.319
to me, it makes sense the way that she acted,

1483
01:22:09.399 --> 01:22:11.319
you know what I mean? But people hate us main

1484
01:22:11.399 --> 01:22:14.640
characters like make dumb choices that I'm like, people make

1485
01:22:14.720 --> 01:22:16.560
dumb choices all the time, Like, have you never made

1486
01:22:16.560 --> 01:22:18.279
a dumb choice? Do you think your perfect way?

1487
01:22:18.399 --> 01:22:18.560
What?

1488
01:22:18.800 --> 01:22:21.720
I will be the one making the dumb choice? Yeah? Yeah,

1489
01:22:21.800 --> 01:22:24.600
ten out of ten times, it'll So it was really good.

1490
01:22:26.079 --> 01:22:29.199
And I finished Hurricane Season. But you've already talked about that, right,

1491
01:22:29.199 --> 01:22:32.119
I think it was recommendation, yeah, that she will leave

1492
01:22:32.159 --> 01:22:36.239
you emptiest. I felt more dead inside than I've ever felt.

1493
01:22:36.640 --> 01:22:38.960
I was not kidding when I said that, you weren't

1494
01:22:39.479 --> 01:22:41.039
if you want to be, that's just going to fucking

1495
01:22:41.079 --> 01:22:45.079
destroy you and leave you like a fucking hole and

1496
01:22:45.560 --> 01:22:48.199
like you're just you've been consumed by a dark hole

1497
01:22:48.399 --> 01:22:52.199
and there's just no hole. Bless for humanity and everyone's terrible,

1498
01:22:52.520 --> 01:22:55.800
No one will ever be a good person ever again.

1499
01:22:56.359 --> 01:22:59.720
Read that book? Yeah, Hurricane Season and then listen to

1500
01:22:59.720 --> 01:23:02.640
it and finished, and apparently there's a movie too. I'm like, Okay,

1501
01:23:02.640 --> 01:23:04.359
should I listen to the audiobook or should I watch

1502
01:23:04.359 --> 01:23:05.479
a movie? But I don't know if I can watch

1503
01:23:05.520 --> 01:23:08.079
a movie. I can't. I don't. I haven't checked it out.

1504
01:23:08.239 --> 01:23:10.520
I might, I don't know. You know what's insane to

1505
01:23:10.520 --> 01:23:13.760
me when people are like, wow, Heurocane Sea thing was

1506
01:23:13.800 --> 01:23:17.039
mid When someone recommends it as like a really intense

1507
01:23:17.159 --> 01:23:19.199
book and I'm like, you guys are just psychos. I'm like,

1508
01:23:19.279 --> 01:23:21.359
what are they reading? What is going on in their

1509
01:23:21.439 --> 01:23:27.439
mind that they think this was mid psychos? Yes? Yeah,

1510
01:23:27.560 --> 01:23:30.720
the writing style is very different, like it's I'm getting

1511
01:23:30.800 --> 01:23:32.520
used to It kind of annoyed me a little bit,

1512
01:23:32.520 --> 01:23:34.600
but then the end, like I couldn't stop reading it

1513
01:23:35.000 --> 01:23:38.119
and I waited it first, yeah, before reading it, and

1514
01:23:38.159 --> 01:23:40.560
I didn't experienced that at all. I was just like whatever,

1515
01:23:42.199 --> 01:23:44.680
five out of five. But it's hard to say. It's

1516
01:23:44.680 --> 01:23:47.199
hard to say I enjoyed reading it. Did I enjoy it?

1517
01:23:47.680 --> 01:23:52.319
It was a visceral type of fields. It was the

1518
01:23:52.399 --> 01:23:54.439
reason I feel like I read it five at five

1519
01:23:54.640 --> 01:24:02.800
is because it wasn't all consuming yeah feeling, That's exactly

1520
01:24:02.840 --> 01:24:08.319
what I was say. Yeah, it's enjoyable. I feeled a

1521
01:24:08.359 --> 01:24:15.319
lot of things, yes, yeah. Yeah. So I wouldn't recommend

1522
01:24:15.319 --> 01:24:18.880
it to just anyone. I think if you're wanting to

1523
01:24:19.520 --> 01:24:21.640
everything yeah, if you want to if you want to

1524
01:24:21.640 --> 01:24:27.439
feel despair, yeah exactly. Yeah, if you just want to

1525
01:24:27.439 --> 01:24:31.279
feel something, if you've been feeling dead insided, you want

1526
01:24:31.279 --> 01:24:33.720
to feel worse, yeah, this is the book to read,

1527
01:24:33.840 --> 01:24:35.600
but worse in a good way where you're like, wow,

1528
01:24:36.640 --> 01:24:41.960
I feel nothing but despair. No, no, but we talked

1529
01:24:42.239 --> 01:24:46.000
about that book. Yeah, yeah, yeah, done. Oh wait, well

1530
01:24:46.079 --> 01:24:48.600
might I have I'm so sorry, God, but I'm sorry, sorry,

1531
01:24:48.680 --> 01:24:54.560
I have one more recogntion. I thought stump anyway. So

1532
01:24:54.880 --> 01:24:57.239
it was in the Patron episode I mentioned that I

1533
01:24:57.319 --> 01:25:02.720
found out that Grady Hendrix has a podcast about vampires,

1534
01:25:02.840 --> 01:25:06.960
and so I listened to the first episode and it

1535
01:25:07.039 --> 01:25:11.439
was very campy but very entertaining. Okay, that's what we love.

1536
01:25:12.119 --> 01:25:14.840
It was like reading one of his books. Honestly, that's awesome.

1537
01:25:16.359 --> 01:25:20.520
In case anyone's interested, it's super scary haunted homeschool. Okay,

1538
01:25:20.800 --> 01:25:22.800
well I need to still listen to it, and that's it.

1539
01:25:22.840 --> 01:25:25.800
I'm done. Okay, finally my turn. All right, this isn't

1540
01:25:25.800 --> 01:25:29.199
a long episode. I'm sorry, no, no, no, it's like I

1541
01:25:29.319 --> 01:25:37.279
meant it in a good way. I read the I

1542
01:25:37.319 --> 01:25:39.079
listened to it. That's how I read. That's what I

1543
01:25:39.119 --> 01:25:41.039
mean when I say I read, I listened to it.

1544
01:25:41.600 --> 01:25:45.960
I read The Indifferent Stars above, the harrowing saga of

1545
01:25:46.000 --> 01:25:52.239
a dinner party bride, because let me tell you, yeah,

1546
01:25:52.399 --> 01:25:57.600
a woman in the door party. I didn't know a

1547
01:25:57.680 --> 01:26:00.520
bride in the Donner Party, of course. Okay, I get

1548
01:26:00.560 --> 01:26:03.119
it now, okay, okay. Well, I was reading a horror

1549
01:26:03.159 --> 01:26:11.119
book that's like, uh, historical fiction horror on this Donnor Party.

1550
01:26:11.239 --> 01:26:12.880
But the book I was like halfway through it, and

1551
01:26:12.920 --> 01:26:14.760
I was like, and you know, I am not one

1552
01:26:14.840 --> 01:26:17.000
to just not finish a book. I usually finish them

1553
01:26:17.079 --> 01:26:20.600
mm hmm. But man, nothing was happening. I don't remember

1554
01:26:20.640 --> 01:26:23.279
telling the book nothing was happening. It was fucking boring.

1555
01:26:23.439 --> 01:26:25.880
I was like, does this go anywhere? Like what is happening?

1556
01:26:26.159 --> 01:26:28.159
And I looked up reviews and everyone's like, this book

1557
01:26:28.199 --> 01:26:30.840
is so boring. If you really want to feel like horrified,

1558
01:26:31.000 --> 01:26:34.600
just read a true account, a nonfiction book about the

1559
01:26:34.640 --> 01:26:37.000
Donner Party. And this is the best one, The Indifferent

1560
01:26:37.039 --> 01:26:40.079
Stars above, And yeah, it's because the stars looking a

1561
01:26:40.079 --> 01:26:43.439
buck about what's happening to you, Like, this book does

1562
01:26:43.520 --> 01:26:47.960
not shy away from describing what the Donner Party went through,

1563
01:26:48.079 --> 01:26:51.159
and that was fucking insane. Just listening to it. I

1564
01:26:51.199 --> 01:26:55.119
was like, I was like, I'm gonna throw up. Let

1565
01:26:55.119 --> 01:26:58.359
me read the synopsis. The different stars above traces the

1566
01:26:58.560 --> 01:27:01.239
step of Sarah Graves, a young bride who left her

1567
01:27:01.239 --> 01:27:03.920
home in Illinois in the spring of eighteen forty six

1568
01:27:03.960 --> 01:27:06.399
banked for California. Along the way, she and her husband

1569
01:27:06.439 --> 01:27:09.319
become members of the notorious and ill fated Donner Party

1570
01:27:09.760 --> 01:27:12.039
and ran into a world of trouble. And a world

1571
01:27:12.039 --> 01:27:15.159
of trouble isn't even like a proper description. They ran

1572
01:27:15.159 --> 01:27:18.359
into like hell, like literally like oh hell. And the

1573
01:27:18.399 --> 01:27:21.640
book literally is like then they all started dying one

1574
01:27:21.640 --> 01:27:23.920
by one. They all had to started bantering each other.

1575
01:27:24.199 --> 01:27:26.239
I mean, and I think we all know by now

1576
01:27:26.399 --> 01:27:28.800
about the Donner Party, but they had to start eating

1577
01:27:28.800 --> 01:27:32.000
each other to survive. Yeah, and the book is like

1578
01:27:32.880 --> 01:27:35.199
they had to cook so and so was Infantelia. I

1579
01:27:35.239 --> 01:27:38.840
was just like, oh my god, wow. And it's like

1580
01:27:39.000 --> 01:27:41.760
it doesn't it just it tells. It tells you what happened.

1581
01:27:41.760 --> 01:27:44.079
It tells you what happened, And that's more horrifying than

1582
01:27:44.119 --> 01:27:48.079
any horror fiction on the Donner Party. The literal truth story.

1583
01:27:48.159 --> 01:27:51.199
I think I know the book that you mentioned, because

1584
01:27:51.199 --> 01:27:54.119
when I was looking through like what it's liking through,

1585
01:27:54.199 --> 01:27:56.399
I think I was on one of the subreddits from

1586
01:27:56.479 --> 01:27:58.920
one of the book subreddits, and then somebody was complaining

1587
01:27:58.920 --> 01:28:00.680
about the book you were talking about, and then they

1588
01:28:00.720 --> 01:28:04.439
recommended the one you listen to. Okay, And honestly, if

1589
01:28:04.439 --> 01:28:06.479
you like, I think everyone has that experience with that

1590
01:28:06.479 --> 01:28:09.920
book that you're talking about. Honestly, I think so, So

1591
01:28:10.000 --> 01:28:12.239
don't read whatever. The first one I'm talking about is

1592
01:28:12.279 --> 01:28:13.600
I don't know the name of it, but don't get

1593
01:28:13.640 --> 01:28:15.119
ready forgot So that's why I'm saying the one you

1594
01:28:15.119 --> 01:28:20.159
were talking about go straight to the indifferent stars above. Insane,

1595
01:28:20.520 --> 01:28:25.960
horrifying but true but true. It really happened. And it's

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also just like written really well, because you know, some

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nonfiction books are like dry and you're like, I want

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to know this, but do I really want to know this?

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And this was written beautifully and it's such a horrifying story,

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but like there's so much I didn't know, Like there

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was two Indigenous people that were paid to leave the

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Darner Party and I learned that on the year Wrong

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About episode Yes, uh huh, and I actually wanted to

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look into it. And I'm just like, I feel like

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I can never do this justice if I wanted to

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cover it, and so I haven't. Yeah, but I wanted

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to look into these men because I think one of

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them was last night, like they were there Spanish. One

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of them had a Spanish name, but he's an indigenous person, right,

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And yeah, it's just there. It's a story and it

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follows Sarah Graves, which is one of the members. But

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man like harrowing heroin, I don't know how you pronounced

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that shit horrifying truly, So yeah, that was my speaking recommendation.

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We've reached the end of the episode finally. Sorry a

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long one. She was a long one. And again, just

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a reminder if you want to help us one helped

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me keep the lights on by helping me pay myself

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to do this job, but also help us gift to charity,

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then check out the Patreon we post bonus episodes. We

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just did as long as when talking about Vampire Media

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and Fred on Patreon was like, you guys didn't even

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mentioned Little Vampire God. I forgot about that. Yeah I did,

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Fred was right, I did. Yeah, that's probably what kicked

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off my love of vampires. I loved that movie and

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I loved that little Kid when we were the same

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age with me. I love watching I just some people,

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some people to get too far and they're like, oh

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my god, like when I'm watching the g or when

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I'm I'm on the digresses have Reddit and you're like,

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do you guys realized you're adults talking about children? And

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01:30:18.159 --> 01:30:20.560
they're like, no, we're adults who were that age and

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these people are the same age, Like stop being weird.

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God.

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Yeah, anyway, yeah, little a Little Vmpire was great, and

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so yeah, we spent almost two hours talking about vampire media,

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all vampire media, books, shows, movies. We yapped for a

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long time about that. Yeah, and then we also sometimes

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read re read it stories to and react to them,

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and when we're together, vlogs. Our last one was a

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number of blog that was a while ago. And what else?

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01:30:51.720 --> 01:30:54.079
What else? If you joined the Highest here you get

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a one time keychain and I love those key chains.

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They're huge and like soft, so those are cool. And

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then our current book club book we finished it, The

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Witches of Apasso. We sent out the discussion questions answer

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the answer you want. I like reading them, but you

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01:31:10.600 --> 01:31:12.920
don't have to answer that it's fine, but again we

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like reading them and we will record that probably next week, honestly. Yeah,

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now this brings us to the end of the episode. Okay,

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I don't think we have any more new announcements. No,

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all right, stay at Spookie. We'll catch everyone next time.

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