April 11, 2025

Castle San Felipe de Lara & the Case of Floridalma Roque

Castle San Felipe de Lara & the Case of Floridalma Roque

You can find castle San Felipe de Lara in Izabal, Guatemala, along the banks of the Dulce River. It was constructed in the mid-17th century by the Spanish to protect themselves from the constant attacks of English pirates lurking in the Caribbean....

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You can find castle San Felipe de Lara in Izabal, Guatemala, along the banks of the Dulce River. It was constructed in the mid-17th century by the Spanish to protect themselves from the constant attacks of English pirates lurking in the Caribbean. It’s a tourist attraction today, but it has a dark past and a dark past comes with ghosts.

Cristina shares the tragic case of Floridalma Roque, a 59 year old woman who went to Guatemala for a cosmetic surgery, but never returned.

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Hello, Hello, This is Christina and Carmen and this is

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another episode of as Pooky Tale. It's a podcast for

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all things is Pooky paranormal true crime in Latin America. Today,

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it's all about Guatemala. Before we get to that, we

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do have a listener story. If you have a story

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that you want to send to us, you can email

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it to as Pooky Tales at gmail dot com. You

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can DM it on our socials. You can call these

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Pooky Hotline. There is still one new one we got

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that I haven't listened to. We haven't played it, so

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we have to do that soon. And yeah, I think

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that's it. I mean, you could even handwrite me a

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letter and send it to our po bonks Man. That'll

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make you crazy. Uh so yeah, kind of crazy. I

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mean I would enjoy it. But who writes letters these days? Yeah? Oh,

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you're drinking mail la Crow, I am you left all

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of it. Carmen just visited me. We have a very short,

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fifty minutev log on Patreon that you can watch and

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you can see us to very bad karaoke. Actually, don't

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watch that. Actually don't join Patreon because we don't want

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you to see that vlog anyway, listener story right, right right,

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Let's get into this, Hi Carman, and Christina just wants

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to say I love all your podcasts. I tell everyone

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I know to listen, and I love your buguetta bullshit segments.

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When I was younger, I think I was four, we

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lived in projects in Los Angeles. I vividly remember a neighbor.

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We had a little boy and his parents. His name

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was Christian. I remember always going to his house early

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mornings and having breakfast with his parents and hanging out

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on his front porch. Now keep in mind I lived

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in the projects. For those not familiar with the projects,

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there are no houses. It's just a bunch of buildings

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that I'll look the same for blocks. But even now,

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when I think about it, I see the house in

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between the building of our unit and the next. It

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was a small blue house with the white door. They

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had a kitchen that you could see into the backyard.

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They had a little play structure in their backyard. I

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just always remembered Christian and his parent and cut to

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a few years later. We've since moved from those projects.

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I'm about five months pregnant, and my sister brings up

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the time where I was missing for hours when we

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lived in the projects, and how my mom called all

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my aunts and uncles the police and they were out

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looking for me, and how I just walked into our

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unit like nothing happened, and my mom was just hysterical

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and everyone was like, where the fuck were you. I

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was like, what the hell are you talking about? I

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was never missing, and I explained to her and my

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cousin's the same thing. I just said, how I would

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wake up go to our neighbors and hang out with

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our neighbor. And they were all like, what the hell

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are you talking about? We never had a neighbor. You

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never went to anyone's house. Are you crazy? And the

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car would say sorry, I'm just like what the fuck,

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and the conversation just yeah, no, no, that's crazy, yeah,

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like oh, what is going on. Then a few months later,

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when I was about seven to eight months pregnant, my

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best friend and I were hanging out after a football game.

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We need for her mom to pick us up. It

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was during the winter months, so it would get dark fast.

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We were one of the last few students at the school,

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sitting on the bleachers, and there were some other students

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around too, but not too close to us, and then

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I see him, Christian. What the fuck? What is happening?

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He is standing behind my friend waving to me to

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go to him. I freak out. I turn my friend

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over and he's gone. She sees nothing, and I'm just like, no,

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we can't be here. We need to leave. Then that weekend,

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I'm watching my knees. She's about eighteen months. It's just

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her and I in the apartment. She's in the room

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and I'm in the living room watching TV and I

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hear her talking. So I go and I'm like, hey,

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did you need me, because I thought she was talking

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to me. She said, no, I wasn't talking to you.

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I'm talking to Christian. Oh my god, what the fuck? Okay,

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so he's a ghost. Yeah, yeah, so I'm talking to Christian.

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He's my friend. He said he's not your friend anymore.

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I was like, okay, what this sounds scary now insidious.

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Now I thought he was friendly, but now I'm questioning that.

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It's a little much. Now. I get my niece and

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we bowled out the door and went immediately to my grandma.

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My grandma was a counanda and I just always felt

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a sense of calm and peace with her, nothing like

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I have ever felt with anyone else. I told her

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everything that has been happening, and then she tells me

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that she remembers the time when I was missing and

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how I told her about my friend and his family.

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She explained that she did a olympia on me when

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I was little because she sensed that this thing did

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not have good intentions, and she was right. Yeah, she

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did another olympia on me and explained that because I

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was pregnant, I was vulnerable to these spirits and I

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just needed to call my mind. And so last year,

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I had my second baby, fifteen years after having my first.

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During my she better not see a fucking Christian again. Sorry,

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just thinking ahead. I know. No, you're right, You're right, Christian.

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You better stop. You better get a fuck out. During

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my third trimester, I would have these night terrors where

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I would wake up sweating and just feeling scared, to

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the point that one time I had to go to

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the hospital because I was having a full blown panic attack.

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After that hospital visit, my Grandma came to visit me.

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In my dream, I just remember feeling like she was

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embracing me like she used to do. Oh, I don't

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know if this is related to the first pregnancy, but

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I like to teak my grandma with watching over me,

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and hopefully if I decide to have another baby, it

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would be less eventful. At least there was no Christian,

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No seriously, because that would have been Sara if Christian

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was still like enough, still trying to I don't know

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bother you see. Wow, But good for her grandma. I

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love that she visited her. Yeah, I love that. I

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love that. Wow. Thank you so much for your story.

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That was scary, but it turned out all right in

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the end. Yeah. Also, that reminds me that how the

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grandma came to visit her, she felt like a sense

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of calm. Earlier, we were talking about the New Bitter

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Brown Fans episode how Rubin says that the thought of

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continuing to live after death sounds exhausting. And then you

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were like, and then taking care of everybody after, like

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making sure they're okay, that grandma's putting in a work still. Yeah,

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like you know that our whoever will leave behind, they're

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gonna need help. Yeah, if they're related to us, it's

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not gonna be easy. They're gonna have hardships. Oh yeah,

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self imposed once at time. Oh, and you're gonna have

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to be like, oh my god, let me go fucking

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visit them in their dream again and their dreams because

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they made themselves cry. Okay, so we're gonna talk about

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the Castle of San Felippe de Lara. You can find

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Castle San Felippe de Lara in Isabal, Guatemala, along the

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banks of the Dulta River. Was constructed in the mid

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seventeenth century by the Spanish to protect themselves from the

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constant attacks of English pirates lurking in the Caribbean. The

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fort served as a military stronghold, prison, and customs checkpoint.

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She was multitasking, she did it all. She was policing hard.

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It's got thick stone walls, cannons, watchtowers, and a moat.

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I love a moat, I know right, I love a

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good moat. It permanently housed twelve soldiers and twelve cannons,

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which were later increased to nineteen soldiers until this military

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outpost was abandoned in eighteen seventeen. I just don't know

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what nineteen soldiers even when it was increased. What's that

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gonna do against a ship of pirates? I mean pirates

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probably aren't the most well trained, right, true, but they're

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like they're mean, That's true, they are. I don't know,

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it could go either way. I guess. Back when the

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castle was being built, the shores of Lake Isabal experienced

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a lot of commercial activity, especially the storage and chipment

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of goods to Spain. They soon attracted the attention of

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the pirates, who sell the Caribbean waters at the time,

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always ready to attack. It's a tourist attraction today, but

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it has a dark past, and a dark past comes

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with ghosts. One of them, you're gonna say, with what

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with ghosts? Misopportunity. Yeah. One of the most well known

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ghosts reported in the castle is that of the Lady

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in what white. I'm not surprised thatways a lady in white.

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If there's a place with a moat, it's going to

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be haunted by a lady and she's going to be

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wearing white. So tragic. I love it. It is said

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that on the darkest night, especially when the moon is full,

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a ghostly figure dressed in white appears walking through the

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castle walls. The lady in white is described as a

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beautiful and sad woman. She wears a long white dress

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that seems to float above the ground because you know,

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they never walk, they just float. They're always floating. Yeah,

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and as it should be. Right. There are different stories

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about who she was, but the common version says that

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she's the spirit of a young woman who, during the

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colonial era, was separated from her husband. He was a

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soldier who died defending the fort. Unable to bear the law,

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the woman took her own life by throwing herself into

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Lakey Saba. From then on, her spirit would wander at

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the castle, searching for her lost love, letting out wells

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that sound like the wind. Another eerie story told around

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the castle is that of the headless Soldier. It's actually

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her husband, no, well, who knows. According to legend, during

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a pirate attack, a brave Spanish soldier was decapitated by

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an enemy. However, his body, driven by fury and loyalty,

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continued to fight until it finally fell like a chicken. Wow. Yeah,

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I was gonna say a cockroach, but so much flashbacks,

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the stupid museum and those discussing cockroaches. Yeah, we went

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to Amsy and I can't even know about it. There's

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a little that you're right, you're right, if you've been

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to Ams, you know, you'll know, you'll know. Since that day,

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some claim to have seen the figure of a headless

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soldier Roman the castles, halls and towers, sword in hand,

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as if still protecting the fortress from invisible enemies. He

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is said to appear mainly on stormy nights, when lightning

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lights of the sky, and the wind roars. No better

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night for a go see apparition yeah. Castle workers and

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visitors have also reported hearing screams and moons that seem

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to come from within the fortress itself. These sounds are

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heard in the later hours of the night, when the

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castle is shrouded in near total darkness. Some believe these

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noises are simply the results of wood and stone settling.

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That's never the answer. No, I don't think that's never that.

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It's always a ghost. I fully disagree. Please. Others are

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convinced they are the souls of those who died within

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the castle, either defending its walls or suffering in the dungeons.

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The Bravests who have explored the castle at night claim

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to have felt a haunting presence, as if watched by

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aunts and eyes, or to have seen swiftly moving shadows

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in the corners of their vision. Would you go? Would

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you go see the castle? I would go in the daytime.

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At night, I would definitely not go at night. Yeah, No,

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I can't be. I'd probably trip and fall off the

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ledge or something and then become a go Yeah, the

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lady the bad outfit. Nah, the lady goes o fit.

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the Yeah, you're right, I'm just kidding, but I mean

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moving on. But yeah, we could put this on our

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bucket list, but only during the day, Okay, okay, Well

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I'll keep that in mind. Anyway, we'll take a little

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break here, and then when we come back, we come

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back with my depressing true crime case, also from Guatemalam

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And we're back and we'll just yeah, jump right into

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my case here in twenty twenty five. Well, I have

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a little intro to introduce the case. Yeah, in twenty

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twenty five. Because men and plastic surgeries are in all

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time high. Some people are even saying fillers and boatox

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and surgeries are ruining movies. May I add a little

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bit to this, Yeah, go ahead. People on Faumois subredit

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the subreddit are complaining about Nicole Kidman and her movies

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because she is completely frozen and it distracts. I was

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watching Lucifer, and in the last seasons of Lucifer, apparently

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the main actress got a lot of work done and

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people were saying, like, she can't even cry. Normally people

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are seen so complaining about it's always Sundy Philadelphia the

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New seasons because of how much work rob and I

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want to say, Caitlin's her name, but I am not sure? Yes,

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And then Glenn, why are I know other names? I

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don't know. You don't know why I know the names

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everyone except the Charlie Days. Yeah, yeah, but because of

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how and actually I haven't watched the New seasons, but

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I watched the crossover episode with that by Elementary say

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it's hilarious, and yeah, it's a little match honestly. Yeah,

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or people complaining that period pieces are being ruined by

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Instagram face like oh my god, what's her name? Hi?

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Rose Deep Deep, which honestly, the movie was still good.

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It wasn't that bad, but I guess it was distracting. Yeah, Okay,

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So yeah, I mean that's what people are saying. And

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all this work it's not limited to just celebrities or

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big influencers anymore. It's getting cheaper, especially if you you

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have a good job. You're you can fly, you know,

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to other places and get stuff done and it's cheaper.

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And most most of the time this is okay, Like

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nothing happens. Most of the time people survive. Yeah, yeah,

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most of the time people survive. Nothing happens. But in

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this case it took a tragic turn. This is the

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case of Florida al Ma Roque Florid Alma was born

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and raised in Honduras to an ann Duran father and

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a Guadamalan mother. She came to the United States in

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nineteen eighty and she became a US citizen. She went

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to school, she became a registered nurse, and she worked

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mostly in hospice care, like going to two people's homes,

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older people's homes and taking care of them. And she

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was always described as kind, caring by her family, friends

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and patients. And at fifty nine years old, after researching

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and contemplating for a long time, Rodri del Man decided

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to finally get some work done. She had been wanting

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a facial rejuvenation and liposession on her back in arms

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for a while and she ended up going with doctor

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Kevin Malouf and his clinic called Perfecti Mad Clinic. The

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clinic is located in Watemla Cities. Sona fourteen, and she

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had seen that the clinic had excellent reviews and she

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felt safe with her toys. And in fact, she had

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already used the clinic once for a very minor procedure

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already I couldn't find what it was, but she had

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already been there once. And she did frequent Guatemalaala because

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it's like I think her mom when did I say?

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Her mom was from Guatemala and her dad from Mludas Rayes,

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so she had family in Whatatemala. Her eldest son actually

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lived and studied in Gatemala City at a university there too,

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so she was there a lot. Yeah, And in June

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twenty twenty three, she flew from New York City to

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Guatemala for the surgery and it was scheduled for the

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thirteenth of June, and she was going to stay with

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her son after the surgery because again he lived in

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Guatemala City. Another family member, Rosadio Sandoval, was going to

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go with her on the day for surgery. So the

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two arrived together on the morning of the thirteenth, and

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Rosadio had been planning on staying in the waiting room

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until the surgery was over, but Personella kinikap Fectima asked

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her to leave. They said that they were going to

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call her when it was time to pick floorid al up,

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but she never got the call. Drosidio returned to the

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clinic the next day, the twenty fourth of June, at

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ten in the morning, and they brought out doctor Kevin

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Maloof himself and he talked to her. He said that

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Florida Dlma had left three hours ago at seven in

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the morning on an uber and that she had signed

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a release to leave against medical consent, and that they

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walked her out themselves when the uber arrived. And to Rosadio,

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this didn't seem right at all. One because Florida Alma

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didn't go anywhere by herself, it didn't matter where it was,

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she did not go anywhere by herself. She always had

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a friend or family member with her, even for something

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as small as an uber ride like It's how she was.

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And it also made even less sense because Rosadio didn't

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think Flordia Dlma could even see well enough after the surgery.

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The official rejuvenation includes a eyelid lift. Oh. Apparently in

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the US, and I think Guatemala, it's illegal to release

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someone with eilish surgery. They're considered legally blind. It must

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be after the surgery house and they can't go anywhere

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by themselves. They have to be picked up by someone,

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and that makes sense, right, and so it would have

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been illegal to release her after this. So nothing was

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adding up. So Sado left the clinic and she kept

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trying to call forrid Alma, and Florid Dlman never answered.

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After a few hours, she felt like something was very

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wrong and went to the local police department, and because

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Florid Alma was a missing woman, the Public Ministry declared

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in Alerta isabel Clalina, this is an act that was

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created so that police immediately began searching for a missing woman.

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Wo in Oh, I'm glad this is in place. Yeah.

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You can dial one five seven two in Guatemala, or

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you can go to any Public Ministry office or National

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Police office in whatever wherever you're at and say a

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woman is missing and they will enactow Alerta Isabelalina. This

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was passed in twenty sixteen, and it came to be

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due to the murders of two women well one woman

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and one teenager in the early two thousands. Maria Isabelle

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Franco Velis who went missing in December two thousand and

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one at fifteen years old. She failed to return home

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after work and her mom, Rosse francosan Noval, went to

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the police, who told her she had to wait twenty

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four to seventy two hours to report her missing, and

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she waited the time she returned, and even when she returned,

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they took their sweetest time to even begin to look

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into her disappearance. And the other person, Claulina Isabel Velaskiz Bayiz,

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was nineteen when she went missing on the twelfth of

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August of two thousand and five. She was on her

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way to school and then she got a text from

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her parents after school that she was going to go

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to a party but she'd be back later. And then

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it was around two am and she was not back yet,

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and so her parents tried to go her missing, and

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again authorities didn't do anything. They were like, you have

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to wait the twenty four to seventy two hours, and

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in both cases, authorities failed to even begin searching for

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them as well as they failed to properly secure crime

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scenes and forestic evidence, and both of them were sexually

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assaulted and murdered. Wow. And because this was so common

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that they failed to look for them right away and

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maybe they could have found them in time, this act

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was passed to try and respond more quickly and prevent

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more murders like those of Marie Sabelvelis and Claudina of Alaskiz.

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And hence the name Isabel Claudina, that's what it's called

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after them. So back to Florid Alma. Because the act

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or the alert was put in place, investigators got to

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work right away and the only information they had to

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go off of is that she had surgery at doctor

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Kevin Malouf's clinic in Soa fourteen and days passed, it

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turned into a month. Suddenly, on July twenty eight, twenty

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twenty three, the doctor was arrested at his clinic, and

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when he was arrested, he denied knowing anything about what

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happened to her, but his story quickly fell apart. Investigators

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on that same day access so much paper her work

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related to her, as well as phone calls, security tapes

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incriminating things right, And so once they had access to

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the clinic security tapes, they could see, yes, she arrived

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with a family member on the twenty third of June.

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The next day, clinic personnel can be seen coming and going,

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and there's a video of a woman living in a

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wheelchair that doctor Maloof claimed was Florid Alma. But the

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person on the wheelchair was much taller and just physically

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like bigger. Their face was bandaged up and only the

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back of them was visible. And not to mention that

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in the video that this is supposedly Florid Alma, the

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person on the wheelchair raises her arms and if she

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had gotten liposuction, it would have been right. So again,

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very very suspicious things. On top of that, the surveillance

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video also showed that the doctor left the clinic shortly

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after the person in the wheelchair that is supposedly Florid Alma.

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He left right after that, and then he was seen

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carrying a huge plastic container like a huge garbage bit

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I may big enough to fit a person. And after

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the supposed video of Florid Delma's surface, her kids tried

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going to the FBI for help because they thought well,

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our mom is a US citizen, maybe something can be done.

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But they didn't really help. All they said is that

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they could only monitor the situation. They couldn't do anything.

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They went to a lawyer whose name is Frank Rubino

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and apparently represented Manuel Noriega in that's a Supreme Court

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case against him. And if you don't know about that,

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you can listen to our first episode on Panama on

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Estoria's Unknown. But yeah, that was his lawyer, and that's

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who they went to, and he told them that the

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US government needed a formal invitation from the local Guatemalan

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law enforcement to even begin to conduct an investigation, and

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the local Guatemalan law enforcement they'd not invite them, so

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they couldn't do anything. Although they did find that the

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supposed consent to leave like I'm leaving without medical against

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medical advice form that she supposedly signed didn't exist. That

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was no form. There was no form she signed. Yeah,

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And so with the servicing of these videos and the

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doctors ever changing story, investigators grew more suspicious because Firstie

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said that she took an uber at seven in the morning.

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Then he said he saw her call someone to pick

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her up again. Her eyes didn't work, she couldn't see,

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she can't use the phone. No, and her kids maintained

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that even if she her eyes were working, she didn't

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know how to order an uber. So then he said

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she called the cab. He just kept changing the story.

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He even started saying and he would go on Facebook

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Live and say these things. Oh my god, that's like,

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I don't know. You had to be like delusional to

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think that that is appropriate, because you're also talking about

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a woman who never made a home. He's like, I

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don't know what happened to her. I watched the video

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of his and I was like, oh my god, this

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is I don't know. He even started saying that Florid

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Delma arrives at the clinic by herself, and that she

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had no family in Guatemala, only a brother in Mexico.

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Thinks that was just not even yeah, yeah, and you

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could see, like, like I said, the videos that I

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watched of him, he's sitting there in his car driving

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and streaming. Of course he's doing that. He has no

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regard for anything, right, and he's like, I don't know.

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She came here, she had no other family, she came

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from outside of the country, and she just spanished after

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leaving my clinic. But it was a successful surgery. It's

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not my fault. She does up here, like, brother, please,

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what do you mean? But so it's just her family

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goes see this, like, you know, they're literally looking for her.

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What do you mean she has no family? They reported

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her missing, Yeah, in Guatemala, because she has family in Guatemala.

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Like just you know, lie after lie after lie, and

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obviously he was hiding something, and you know, they suspect

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that whatever happened must have happened at the clinic, and

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because it happened at the clinic, there's no way other

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employees don't know, right, Plus they found more videos of

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clinic staff carrying out large garbage bins too, So everything

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was suspicious at this point. Then again, and also another

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thing is that they weren't sharing any of this information

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with the family. Nothing. They were just like suddenly, oh,

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the news had information that they were being arrested at

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the clinic, right, like like when they went and arrested Yeah,

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when they went and arrested the doctor. There was no

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information on why at first. Oh Okay, well, I guess

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I'm not surprised because they would want to keep it

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tight right, right, right, though sometimes they informed the family

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like we do have to like a surprise for them. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

444
00:24:58.279 --> 00:25:00.279
I guess that makes sense too, Like they could share

445
00:25:00.319 --> 00:25:04.000
it without sharing details, like hey, we have a person

446
00:25:04.039 --> 00:25:06.559
of interest that we are bringing in or we are

447
00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:09.799
ready to arrest someone, but that doesn't happen a lot, right,

448
00:25:09.799 --> 00:25:12.039
Like you know, when we were at the True Crime

449
00:25:12.079 --> 00:25:16.920
Paranormal Podcast Festival, there was a family advocating for police

450
00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:22.240
to tell family members what's happening, which honestly makes sense

451
00:25:22.279 --> 00:25:24.119
to me, but can also be a little risky. I

452
00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:26.680
guess if they're just if someone's a percent of interest

453
00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:29.240
but they're cleared, and the family's like, nah, this, this

454
00:25:29.319 --> 00:25:31.039
motherfucker's going to get it, and then they go like

455
00:25:31.079 --> 00:25:33.640
do something on their own accord. You know that's true also,

456
00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:36.000
so I guess I can see both sides of it.

457
00:25:36.240 --> 00:25:40.039
Yeah yeah. And that's also what's some like an issue

458
00:25:40.039 --> 00:25:43.359
within true crime content in itself too. Yeah, well they'll

459
00:25:43.440 --> 00:25:47.440
name someone, yah. Yeah. So the same thing happened on

460
00:25:47.599 --> 00:25:53.359
August four, twenty three, when nurse Luis Castro, nurse assistant

461
00:25:53.359 --> 00:25:58.160
Susina Rojas, and the anesthesiologists Lydia Silva were all arrested

462
00:25:58.319 --> 00:26:02.240
well suddenly, so the three along with the doctor, were

463
00:26:02.279 --> 00:26:05.920
accused of the disappearance of Florida del Man, as well

464
00:26:05.960 --> 00:26:10.160
as kidnapping and obstruction of criminal action. And once they

465
00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:14.440
were arrested, the nurse Luis Castro, he spilled everything and

466
00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:17.720
the truth came to light. So he said that it

467
00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:22.240
was all the doctor's fault. And I mean, it's probably

468
00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:24.200
it's probably true, but like I would have said this

469
00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:28.720
same waiting, yeah, right, Like, so he said something went

470
00:26:28.759 --> 00:26:31.599
wrong during the surgery and Florida Delma did not make it,

471
00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:34.240
and that the doctor then conjured up a lie about

472
00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:37.599
her leaving, instructed one of the nurses to dress up

473
00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:41.359
like her. He made up this whole plan, and then

474
00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:43.559
he ordered them to put her in a bin, in

475
00:26:43.599 --> 00:26:46.279
a garbage bin, in the fetal position so she'd fit,

476
00:26:46.480 --> 00:26:48.160
and then they were going to sink that bin. And

477
00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:51.119
that was his plan. That's crazy, first of all, I mean, like,

478
00:26:52.039 --> 00:26:54.640
was this even necessary to do all this? I mean,

479
00:26:54.839 --> 00:27:01.200
a unfortunate risk of elective surgery and all surgeries is death.

480
00:27:01.559 --> 00:27:04.799
Anytime you go under you might not come out alive, right,

481
00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:09.599
isn't that like a risk? Let you know? And so

482
00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:16.119
sometimes most of the time doctors have like liability insurance.

483
00:27:16.119 --> 00:27:18.599
I'm assuming he was already doing shady ship if you

484
00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:23.319
went they should but if like so does his plan

485
00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:26.640
a Like I'm like, had you done this before? Like

486
00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:30.640
were you already at risk of losing your license? Do

487
00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:35.559
you even have a license because other doctors, you know,

488
00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:40.799
they do stuff like this and they keep them. Yeah,

489
00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:45.759
because sometimes these things happen, you know. Yeah, but yeah, again,

490
00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:49.160
if that was his plan's crazy conjured it up so

491
00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:51.240
fast he was ready for I feel like, you know

492
00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:56.480
he's done this before. I don't know so right, there

493
00:27:56.559 --> 00:27:59.880
is a recorded conversation or sorry, this conversation was recorded.

494
00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:02.240
You can hear it in the phone call and again

495
00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:04.160
a lot of it wasn't released to the public. Only

496
00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:07.440
some of it was leaked. And you can hear one

497
00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:10.759
of the phone calls when he's like you all need

498
00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:14.119
to figure out, like we're how we're gonna get away

499
00:28:14.119 --> 00:28:16.119
with this, Like we're gonna do this and that and that,

500
00:28:16.359 --> 00:28:21.200
like saying like the go report him, like I don't understand, no,

501
00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:24.640
but serious, surely there's other medical places you can get

502
00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:32.440
a job at, right anymore, so, again, this was part

503
00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:37.519
of it. Was recorded and released. The doctor then took

504
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:41.599
her body home and then once he was there, he called,

505
00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:44.160
what the nurse, that's crazy? What the fuck? I mean,

506
00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:48.319
this whole thing, like each thing I was about to say,

507
00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:51.359
and everything you say, it gets more and more wild

508
00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:57.200
that I'm like, already, that's gonna keep happening. So yeah,

509
00:28:57.240 --> 00:28:59.519
he took her remains home, and then once he was home,

510
00:28:59.559 --> 00:29:03.440
he called Louis Castro from his house and he said

511
00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:05.720
that he and he's just saying these things on the phone.

512
00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:10.839
He told the nurse that he moved her to a suitcase,

513
00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:14.279
and then that they took care of it, Like why

514
00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:16.480
would you say that? Why would he call him? Like, yeah,

515
00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:19.599
if you're already doing this, And he also said like

516
00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:21.799
we took care of it, like somebody was all ready

517
00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:24.640
at his house. Yeah, and Louis Gastrow doesn't know who

518
00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:27.319
we they are, like he doesn't know who was helping them,

519
00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:30.200
But he was sure to say when he was telling

520
00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:32.519
the police all this, that the doctor had a plan

521
00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:34.880
ready and all the necessary equipment to get rid of

522
00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:39.319
a body. What the fuck? Yeah, because he he he

523
00:29:39.400 --> 00:29:42.359
knew to call at his house to help him. Oh

524
00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:43.960
so at first I thought it was one of the

525
00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:47.640
other Everma staff, but it wasn't then it was like

526
00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:50.079
seven when he had on hand to be like yeah,

527
00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:55.000
my god, wow yeah. And after after Louis Gastro confessed,

528
00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:58.359
then the other two employees followed suit and more details

529
00:29:58.400 --> 00:30:02.920
came to like Lydia's Sylvia affirmed that they could have

530
00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:08.200
same florid Alma's life, but doctor Malouf did the opposite

531
00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:13.000
of like life saving measures. Why I didn't understand was

532
00:30:14.039 --> 00:30:19.599
organism mission, no money so what Yeah, So if he

533
00:30:19.640 --> 00:30:22.039
would have listened to them and given the order to

534
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:25.119
transfer her to a hospital when things started to turn

535
00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:27.480
during her surgery, she would have made it, but he

536
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:32.400
refused because it was expensive. The nurse assistant, Susan A. Rojas,

537
00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:35.319
solidified the accounts of the two other employees, like they

538
00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:37.640
all said the same thing. So in the beginning of

539
00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:40.599
the surgery, everything was still going okay, and but that

540
00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:44.480
changed as they progressed through the surgery. Lydia Silvia, the

541
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:49.000
anesthesiologist began to notice that the patient's titles were dropping

542
00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:52.000
and then around noon they were unable to wake her

543
00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:55.359
and so they decided to check her glucose and it

544
00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:58.039
was two hundred and fifty whether normal range should be

545
00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:00.519
seventy and one hundred and ten in between seventy eight

546
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:03.279
one hundred and ten. So then Susanna, then her assistant

547
00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:05.960
notified doctor Malouf, who then said they should wait a

548
00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:07.920
little longer to see if she improves on her own,

549
00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:13.720
which never happens when so crazy they're literally critical and like, well,

550
00:31:13.799 --> 00:31:17.440
let's if she gets better. Yeah. So Lydia then informed

551
00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:20.839
the doctor that they needed to administer insulin asap, and

552
00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:23.640
he said, no, we're going to wait. She said it

553
00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:26.599
again and he was like, no, it's too expensive. She'll

554
00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:29.000
get better on her own. And then when she said

555
00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:32.160
again she's not getting better, we need to transfer her

556
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:34.720
to a hospital with an intensive care unit, he said

557
00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:37.079
it was too expensive. They were not going to do that,

558
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:40.480
and they began calling like the staff began calling other

559
00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:43.240
doctors for their opinions, like on what they should do,

560
00:31:43.640 --> 00:31:46.559
and they recommended what they already knew. They needed to

561
00:31:46.599 --> 00:31:50.039
transfer her to an ICU. So the staff these three

562
00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:52.599
went again back to the doctor and said we need

563
00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:55.319
to transfer her now, and he repeated again that it

564
00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:58.200
was too expensive to transfer her. Then she just didn't

565
00:31:58.240 --> 00:32:00.920
wake up. They waited too long to interview. Oh my god,

566
00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:04.440
when she died, he threatened all of them and their

567
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:07.480
families and ordered them to put her in a garbage bin.

568
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:10.240
But I mean, there's three of them and one of him.

569
00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:12.119
They're going to just beate his ass and then call

570
00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:16.240
the police. This is crazy. And this is the same

571
00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:19.000
bin that is seen in the surveillance tapes. And she

572
00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:23.039
confirmed along with Louise. They both said that the doctor

573
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:25.960
left around eleven forty seven at night with the bin,

574
00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:27.960
and when he was asked where he was going, he

575
00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:30.559
told them it was another business. So it turns out

576
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:35.279
he transported her remains to his home in Santa Katarina Pinula.

577
00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:40.079
He then coordinated her dismemberment, so the people that he

578
00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:43.519
called help helped him dismember her. Oh my god, why

579
00:32:43.599 --> 00:32:46.640
does he have people on call for this that? Why

580
00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:48.799
does he have a team of dismember hers? Like what

581
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:51.200
the fuck on call? Like, Hey, I need you guys

582
00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:56.279
right now, meet me at my house. It's fucking crazy, Yeah, exactly.

583
00:32:56.559 --> 00:33:01.559
And there's like he made a a diagram, like an

584
00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:05.160
anatomical diagram of where they should cut, and there's like

585
00:33:05.319 --> 00:33:10.200
this is available evidence. It's like a image of a person,

586
00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:13.440
and then there's a yellow line at the arm and shoulder,

587
00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:16.880
there's a yellow line at the legs like instructing cut here,

588
00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:21.720
like he made this. So yeah, he coordinated her dismemberment

589
00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:25.640
and disappearance, and they left her remains over at this

590
00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:30.160
wooded area in San Vicente, Sanviente, Pakaya is Queensland. That's

591
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:33.559
where they did it. And when the doctor was interrogated,

592
00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:36.799
he gave detailed information on where her remains could be found.

593
00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:41.079
He told investigators follow this S shaped road, then you'll

594
00:33:41.079 --> 00:33:45.319
cross this coffee and avocado plantation. Then you pass this

595
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:47.599
road that you need a four x four vehicle to

596
00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:49.920
get to, which will lead you to an area called

597
00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:53.279
La Joya, where these two mountains meet. Then you have

598
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:55.599
to walk on foot on this other path to get

599
00:33:55.599 --> 00:33:58.759
to an old well. Next to the well, there was

600
00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:01.680
a pit. That's where they buried her. And yeah, they

601
00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:05.519
followed his instructions. Following his instructions, they found her on

602
00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:08.559
June fifth, twenty twenty four. How much time was passed

603
00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:12.719
a year? Almost almost a year she went missing June

604
00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:15.719
or her day of her surgery was June twenty third,

605
00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:19.159
twenty twenty three, So yeah, almost a year and it

606
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:21.599
took them twelve hours to find like all of the

607
00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:26.119
pieces in this pit and like Kip ticking extremely her

608
00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:29.360
remains were in an advanced stage of decomposition. So she

609
00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:33.000
was sent to the National Forensic Sciences Institution where she

610
00:34:33.159 --> 00:34:37.519
was positively identified as Florid del Maroque and the family

611
00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:41.079
was informed on June nineteenth, twenty twenty four. And then

612
00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:46.079
after thirteen long months after her death and disappearance, her

613
00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:48.880
family was finally able to bury her in a cemetery

614
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:53.639
in Zone seventeen and Mixico, Guatemala. And yeah, they were

615
00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:55.679
able to put her to rest, but they were still

616
00:34:55.679 --> 00:34:59.480
waiting for justice. Yeah, and apparently true justice would not

617
00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:04.360
come because a judge lessoned doctor Malouf's charge or said, yeah,

618
00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:07.360
charge after he confessed to where the remains were. He

619
00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:11.599
was like, oh, he's cooperating. I mean, that's unfortunate and

620
00:35:11.639 --> 00:35:14.760
it's but it's a common move in the legal's trail

621
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:20.480
where but still like I can understand how I cannot

622
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:24.920
be setting the family. Yeah, so he was charged with omicioso,

623
00:35:25.159 --> 00:35:29.480
which is manslaughter instead of like homicide or in the

624
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:34.639
whatever degree. That's very upsetting because I guess what led

625
00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:37.400
to her death wasn't intentional, like it was just part

626
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:40.800
of the surgery going wrong. But then yeah, everything he did,

627
00:35:40.840 --> 00:35:47.079
what happened after was like that's exactly. Yeah, I'm yeah,

628
00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:52.320
that's so upsetting. Like the family now today still believes like,

629
00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:55.039
you know what, maybe this was premeditated. I don't know,

630
00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:58.960
how do you got people on deck to this member

631
00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:01.800
of body? That's crazy? Then is he killing people? What

632
00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:05.719
your plan? A? Because also like these again, these things

633
00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:08.599
happen in surgeries, so you could have just been able

634
00:36:08.679 --> 00:36:12.039
to have, yeah, done the right thing, transferred to the

635
00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:14.880
hospital where she could have received the emergency care, hoped

636
00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:17.599
for the best, and if it didn't happen or if

637
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:21.000
you know, she didn't live through that, sometimes that happens.

638
00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:25.199
And most doctors, you know, are they're they're going to

639
00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:29.280
do that in a legal way, right, not like don't

640
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:35.400
hear this? Fucking dude did the fuck? Yes? Yes? So yeah,

641
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:37.920
he had been charged with homicide. It was brought down

642
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:41.199
to manslaughter. He was sent Yeah, you know, it just

643
00:36:41.639 --> 00:36:44.400
so common. But now I'm like, yeah, I'm like what

644
00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:48.039
the fuck? No, Yeah, he was sentenced to four years,

645
00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:51.039
which was then reduced to two years. But then if

646
00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:55.079
he pays five guitalists every day, he can do house arrests.

647
00:36:55.119 --> 00:36:57.920
He doesn't have to reach. My god. On top of that,

648
00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:04.400
in six years he will allowed to practice again. No, yeah,

649
00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:07.000
what the fuck? And do like five kit salas a

650
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:10.159
day is not even that much, right, I feel like

651
00:37:10.199 --> 00:37:12.639
it's sense Like I don't know the conversion rate, and yes,

652
00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:16.159
I could look it up, but it's not a lot. See,

653
00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:18.519
it's not a lot. Oh my god, what is it?

654
00:37:18.519 --> 00:37:22.719
It's sixty five cents. That's crazy. I can't, I can't,

655
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:26.199
Oh my god. It was obvious that he was subject

656
00:37:26.199 --> 00:37:29.639
to a different criminal justice system. He was allowed to

657
00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:34.800
attend all trials via video while the other three had

658
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:38.079
to attend in person. Wow. And on top of that,

659
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:40.440
the whole case And then I asked, I had to

660
00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:42.440
ask my mom what this meant because I didn't know.

661
00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:47.360
But so the whole case was under bajo the trial like,

662
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:49.360
so I think that just means that it was like

663
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:53.239
kept really tight. None. Nothing was made public, including the trial,

664
00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:56.880
so he and that was for him to benefit him.

665
00:37:57.320 --> 00:37:59.639
Apparently the whole trial was just like him when he

666
00:37:59.719 --> 00:38:02.079
was going, not the others. I'm not sure about that.

667
00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:04.599
I couldn't find all I could find is these TikTok videos.

668
00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:08.079
I talked about how it was under bajo. So then

669
00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:13.079
in total he was able. His charge was reduced to

670
00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:17.800
two years and it was how went home? Okay, yeah

671
00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:19.559
for this member, and when I keep that fresh in

672
00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:22.960
my mind, when you tell me what everyone else was

673
00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:27.840
sentenced to, Okay, yeah, So Lydia Silva, the aneesysiologist, was

674
00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:30.840
sentenced to two years and three months for manslaughter, which

675
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:32.960
she did serve in prison. She has a serve in prison.

676
00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:36.920
Susanna Rojas was given three years for aiding and a betting.

677
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:40.880
How was she given more time? Three years for aiding

678
00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:44.440
and a betting. Louis Castro was also sentenced for two

679
00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:46.480
years for aiding and a betting, but this one was

680
00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:49.599
changed to two months after for cooperating. Wow, he was

681
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:52.039
the first one to snitch. So yeah, so I could

682
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:54.039
see that. But that's like a law that's a big

683
00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:58.679
two years to two months. Yeah, yeah, like I could see.

684
00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:01.360
I don't know a year being fair, but yeah, two months,

685
00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:05.119
come on. Yeah. Another person was also arrested in the

686
00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:10.800
process of all this, Cia Morales. She was charged for

687
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:12.880
aiding and a bedding and then went through trial and

688
00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:16.639
was sentenced for that because she lied during questioning about

689
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:20.039
having been in the clinic that day, damn. And I

690
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:22.480
don't know what her sentence was. I couldn't find it,

691
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:26.559
but like, imagine it being more for lying about being

692
00:39:26.599 --> 00:39:30.840
there then for him dismembering her, disappearing her. Shouldn't that

693
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:34.760
be a deck a different criminal like charge, like a

694
00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:37.800
crime like to mess with like a body, like I mean,

695
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:42.800
that's not the legal term. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's crime. Yeah,

696
00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:46.679
and then hide the body like that's I don't know. Wow. Yeah.

697
00:39:46.840 --> 00:39:50.320
In the end, all sentences were reduced. I don't I

698
00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:53.559
couldn't find what the other two were reduced to, but

699
00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:59.199
they were all reduced. The family's lawyer did request an appeal,

700
00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:02.760
claiming that the judge pedro likeness was biased and not

701
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:07.000
impartial and was probably bribed to help the doctor. I

702
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:11.880
mean that explains all the leeway everything was given. Yeah. Yeah,

703
00:40:11.960 --> 00:40:14.880
And a new trial has still not taken place. The

704
00:40:14.920 --> 00:40:18.039
family is still seeking proper justice. Like the senses just

705
00:40:18.079 --> 00:40:22.079
happened like two months ago or something, wow, or the

706
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:25.639
end of twenty twenty four. My memory fails me, so,

707
00:40:25.719 --> 00:40:28.039
but yeah, it just happened. So they're still seeking justice,

708
00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:32.760
and their family has stated that during this difficult investigation

709
00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:34.599
where they were kept in the dark for a long

710
00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:36.760
time and they themselves had to travel back and forth

711
00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:40.159
to get the matter, to try and find information, they

712
00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:43.000
found out that there had been others like their mom.

713
00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:45.599
Of course, that's why he had this clinic deck to

714
00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:48.719
just call Oh my god, right, like you don't just

715
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:54.079
have these numbers ready right hand, ready to enact, and yeah, exactly.

716
00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:57.760
They said that they had met several people who came

717
00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:00.679
in for surgeries or whose family members came in surgeries,

718
00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:03.400
and we're never seen again that same clinic. But the

719
00:41:03.400 --> 00:41:06.400
only difference between those people and their mom is that

720
00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:08.719
their mom was a US citizen while they were all

721
00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:13.559
local people from Guatemala. But apparently he has, according to

722
00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:15.880
the family, done this more than once. I believe it,

723
00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:20.639
I do, because again, that plan was all three. Yeah,

724
00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:22.800
all three of them said that he was like he

725
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:27.719
was ready, he knew what to do. So yeah, that

726
00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:32.320
was the case of flor What a what a sad,

727
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:37.440
infuriating story. Yeah. Also, I mean, like, I know, it's

728
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:40.000
cheaper to go to surgery somewhere else, but man, some

729
00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:43.360
of these places are scary. Well, these things happen here too.

730
00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:47.519
Oh that's true, you're right, but it is more dangerous

731
00:41:47.800 --> 00:41:51.679
usually to go out of the country to do this

732
00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:54.280
kind of stuff. Have you seen stories of people flying

733
00:41:54.320 --> 00:41:58.599
to Brazil and then they're like so botched. Yeah. Yeah.

734
00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:00.599
Also a lot of people do they I Kuanta for

735
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:07.440
their bbls, Yeah, and then get injected with other things. Yeah, scary,

736
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:14.679
it's scary. And it's sad that women, for whatever reason,

737
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:18.559
you know, feel like they have to put their lives

738
00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:22.280
in danger or maybe you are not recognizing the full

739
00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:28.719
risk that it is to do these kind of elective surgeries.

740
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:33.039
And of course we all fall victim to diet culture,

741
00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:40.519
to Western beauty standards. So but it's sad. You know,

742
00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:43.800
like this woman lives a long time, had children, you know,

743
00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:47.039
had a full life, and wanted to feel better and

744
00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:50.320
look better for herself and then this happens to her.

745
00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:53.440
And it would have been one thing if she had died,

746
00:42:54.079 --> 00:42:57.480
you know, and then nothing happened, like through her body

747
00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:00.000
and nothing, but then what they did just made it

748
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:05.440
like a hundred times worse. It's just horrifying. Yeah, yeah,

749
00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:07.760
and you know it's it's so because I was like

750
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:10.840
what case should I like, what should I do that

751
00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:13.960
would be like, you know, important to kind of shed

752
00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:17.360
more light on. And I hadn't seen this covered anywhere

753
00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:21.800
else except TikTok videos in Spanish. But then at the

754
00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:24.679
same time, earlier today or last night, I was scrolling

755
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:27.719
TikTok and I found I came across a video of uh,

756
00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:30.880
I don't know. I think she's Scottish actress who was

757
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:33.599
on Game of Thrones, and in her interview, she was saying,

758
00:43:33.639 --> 00:43:36.679
like she and again to each their own, there's so

759
00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:40.039
much that leads someone to want to do some something

760
00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:42.719
to themselves, right, and that's like, that's not for me

761
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:46.360
to judge, but this actress was saying that she would

762
00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:49.480
never do any facial work because she relies on her face. Oh,

763
00:43:49.639 --> 00:43:54.360
should be all to move sex education. Yeah, yeah, no,

764
00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:56.159
I've been beating so good and I didn't watch the

765
00:43:56.199 --> 00:44:00.920
last season, okay, but it's so good. Yeah, And that's

766
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:06.360
where the comments then led to, like how surgeries and

767
00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:09.039
this work is ruining movies because she was like, I

768
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:12.519
need my face, like make facial expressions to act, and

769
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:14.840
there's certain people that I just can't do that anymore

770
00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:18.000
with their faces. There's like no way around that, like

771
00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:20.440
it just it doesn't like it was a little distracting

772
00:44:20.480 --> 00:44:23.360
and Lucifer, but I still watch thing whatever. Yeah, you know,

773
00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:28.199
but she was saying that, and then the comments mentioning that,

774
00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:30.760
like what I just said about the movie is being ruined.

775
00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:34.800
But also the comments talked about what's her name? They

776
00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:36.559
talk about her on do we know them all the time?

777
00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:40.320
M She's like the one that's friends with Tane Mojo

778
00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:43.280
or oh Brooks Gofield or show Field that I do realize,

779
00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:45.280
I was saying, yes, Okay, you know how there's like

780
00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:47.679
a little search that just shows up if so many

781
00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:51.719
comments mentioned something. So the first thing that was in

782
00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:55.159
the search bar was a Brooks Schoofield Eiler surgery because

783
00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:57.519
she got like an eye I don't know, lid lift

784
00:44:57.599 --> 00:45:01.840
or something, and she's like documenting the process is and uh,

785
00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:03.960
it's just it's so weird that all this was popping up.

786
00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:05.559
Is I was like, this is the case that I picked.

787
00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:09.159
I don't know. Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's weirdness, it's connected,

788
00:45:10.159 --> 00:45:14.000
it's all connected. Yeah, No, it's a I've seen that

789
00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:17.400
that topic. I guess trending. I guess would be the worst.

790
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:19.599
Yeah I am, but I don't know. Yeah, it's like

791
00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:22.840
a hard thing I need to talk about because like, yeah,

792
00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:25.000
everyone has a right to do whatever they want with

793
00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:27.480
their body blah blah blah, and we should just people

794
00:45:27.559 --> 00:45:31.599
blah blah blah. Right, but I think it gets into

795
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:35.400
like like choice feminism and everything that's wrong with that.

796
00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:40.679
And yeah, it's a it's a faulty message in the end,

797
00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:46.000
isn't it. Yeah, it is in it. Okay, it's time

798
00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:49.800
to stop, right and we can't. But yeah, that was

799
00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:52.199
the case. We'll take a little break here, and oh

800
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:53.719
my god, I feel like I'm accidentally talking to my

801
00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:59.360
influencer voice a little bit. But it isn't not that bad. Okay, thanks,

802
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:01.480
what's a break here, and then we'll come back with

803
00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:11.000
spooky recommendations. Yeah, and we're back. Do you have spooky recommendations? Okay,

804
00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:13.599
they're not really spooky, it's just that they were like

805
00:46:13.639 --> 00:46:17.719
on theme with this case. Florid Delma was a hospice nurse,

806
00:46:17.880 --> 00:46:22.280
and that reminded me of this book I read by

807
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:25.360
a hospice nurse who apparently was also a TikTok influencer.

808
00:46:25.840 --> 00:46:28.199
But I didn't know that about her. When I read it,

809
00:46:28.280 --> 00:46:30.800
I just the book was in my library and was available,

810
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:33.440
and so I borrowed it. Okay, but it was good.

811
00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:35.559
I'm pretty sure it was called The in Between, but

812
00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:39.159
I just want to make sure. Is it by Halle Yeah, Hadie.

813
00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:44.360
It is that, yeah, between unforgetable unforgettable encounters during life's

814
00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:47.559
final moments. Yeah, And so she talks a lot in

815
00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:50.920
the book about her experience as a hospice nurse and

816
00:46:51.039 --> 00:46:54.679
like people's last moments. And it was just, yeah, it

817
00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:56.199
was a good read. And it has a little bit

818
00:46:56.280 --> 00:47:00.039
like like spiritual stuff. Oh I bed Yeah, I'm be

819
00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:03.320
I liked it. And then the other book, which is

820
00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:07.079
very on theme because it's similar like what happened to

821
00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:10.719
the author's mom is similar to this, to what happened

822
00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:16.320
to Filanma. So it's called The Manicurist Daughter by Susan Lou.

823
00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:20.960
But the description says an emotionally raw memoir about the

824
00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:24.719
crumbling of the American dream and a daughter of refugees

825
00:47:25.159 --> 00:47:29.079
who searches for answers after her mother dies during plastic surgery.

826
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:33.119
Susan Yeah, Susan Lou has long been searching for answers

827
00:47:33.159 --> 00:47:36.679
about her family's past and about her own future. Refugees

828
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:40.440
from the Vietnam War, Susan's family escaped to California in

829
00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:44.320
the nineteen eighties after five filled attempts. Upon arrival, Susan's

830
00:47:44.360 --> 00:47:48.559
mother was their savvy, charismatic north star, setting up two

831
00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:53.000
successful nelsalons and orchestrating every success. And so Susan was

832
00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:56.960
eleven that year, her mother died from a botched tummy tuck.

833
00:47:57.880 --> 00:48:00.360
After the funeral, no one was ever allowed to talk

834
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:03.719
about her or what had happened. For the next twenty years,

835
00:48:03.800 --> 00:48:07.559
Susan navigated a series of cascaded questions alone. Why did

836
00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:09.719
the most perfect person in her life want to change

837
00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:12.039
her body? Why would no one tell her about her

838
00:48:12.039 --> 00:48:15.320
mother's life in Vietnam? And how did the surgeon who

839
00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:19.760
prayed on Vietnamese immigrants go on operating after her mother's death.

840
00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:25.119
Sifting through depositions, tracking down the surgeon's family, and enlisting

841
00:48:25.159 --> 00:48:28.880
the help of spirit channelers, Susan uncovers the painful truth

842
00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:32.440
of her mother, herself, and the impossible ideal of beauty.

843
00:48:32.599 --> 00:48:35.920
And then it just ends by saying, the manicurist's daughter

844
00:48:36.039 --> 00:48:39.079
is much more than a memoir about grief, trauma, and

845
00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:43.000
body image. It's a story of fierce determination, strength and

846
00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:46.239
shared culture and finding your place in the world. It's

847
00:48:46.280 --> 00:48:49.599
a memoir. Yeah, wow, this sounds really good. It was

848
00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:53.199
added to my very very long TVR. Don't even get

849
00:48:53.239 --> 00:48:56.599
me sorted on my TVR. But just it's like not

850
00:48:56.639 --> 00:48:58.599
a serious TVR, you know how some people are like,

851
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:01.440
oh yeah, a serious one. It's just like books I

852
00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:02.880
would like to read at some point, you know, and

853
00:49:02.920 --> 00:49:06.199
if I don't get to some kind of my life. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

854
00:49:06.400 --> 00:49:09.559
But no, it was good and it's very theme with

855
00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:16.000
what happened. Oh wow, yeah, what's it called again? The

856
00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:26.119
marchis Daughter? Okay, yeah, I'll definitely look for that. I

857
00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:28.880
do not have spooky recommendations. I don't know what I've

858
00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:32.119
been doing since you well, first we got back from Mexico. Yeah,

859
00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:33.760
I got well, we got back from Mexico, and then

860
00:49:33.760 --> 00:49:38.760
I was sick and I do nothing, absolutely mom sick. Yeah.

861
00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:41.519
Then you guys visited me, and then we you know,

862
00:49:41.639 --> 00:49:43.960
did things. You can catch a little bit of that

863
00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:47.079
on Patreon or vlog. Again, it's only fifteen minutes. And

864
00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:50.199
then we just like choose me mad and listen to

865
00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:52.840
music and clean and eat like that's basically all we

866
00:49:52.880 --> 00:49:54.639
do unless we go out, which we did. We went

867
00:49:54.679 --> 00:49:57.880
to AMSI. Then we went to celebrate my husband's birthday

868
00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:04.000
at karaoke, and we try. I don't recommend it for

869
00:50:04.039 --> 00:50:07.719
me personally unless you can sing, which we cannot. We

870
00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:10.960
absolutely can't. I do think that we would have done

871
00:50:11.840 --> 00:50:14.840
and be writers pretty good things so too, but again

872
00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:17.840
they didn't have it. So yeah, I've been doing nothing.

873
00:50:18.760 --> 00:50:21.440
And even before that, I haven't been looking at spooky things.

874
00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:22.960
I don't know what the hell I've been doing. I've

875
00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:26.880
been watching the Pit. It's really oh yeah, so that

876
00:50:26.920 --> 00:50:29.400
has been And then also on top of that, like

877
00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:32.360
at some point in the summer, we might be moving

878
00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:36.280
and I've like, if I'm not working on research or

879
00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:39.039
scripts or editing or watching the Pit, all I've been

880
00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:43.119
doing is looking at houses and apartments and a bunch

881
00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:46.519
of different neighborhoods. And so That's what I've been doing.

882
00:50:46.599 --> 00:50:48.800
And I haven't I haven't eve been finished. I have

883
00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:50.960
to read The Unworthy. I still haven't finished it. It's

884
00:50:50.960 --> 00:50:54.599
a very short book. Yeah, I have to. I listen

885
00:50:54.679 --> 00:50:56.559
to the audiobook and I have to read. I want

886
00:50:56.559 --> 00:51:00.280
to read the book too, since I got the book. Yeah, yeah,

887
00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:03.840
so I did finally start reading it again because I

888
00:51:03.880 --> 00:51:05.760
literally hadn't been I hadn't touched it, and I was like,

889
00:51:05.800 --> 00:51:08.079
what am I doing? And that's what I've been doing,

890
00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:10.639
obsessing over looking at houses that I'm not even gonna Like,

891
00:51:10.840 --> 00:51:12.159
I don't need to be looking at them right now.

892
00:51:12.159 --> 00:51:15.400
I need to be looking at them in like four months. Yeah,

893
00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:18.079
you need to stop. Then I can't. It's just one

894
00:51:18.079 --> 00:51:21.920
of those things. I have to wait till I just stop. Like, yeah,

895
00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:24.960
it's a it's a hyperfixation. It is right now. Yeah,

896
00:51:25.039 --> 00:51:27.639
interest like De Grassy. When I was obsessed with De Grassy,

897
00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:30.760
I couldn't do anything else unless I had to. I

898
00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:33.199
still work, but like all my free time was consumed

899
00:51:33.239 --> 00:51:35.920
by De Grassy. And that's me right now with looking

900
00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:41.159
up rentals, restaurants and schools, and that's a lot. I

901
00:51:41.239 --> 00:51:43.119
have a lot to look up. Yeah, yeah, I need

902
00:51:43.159 --> 00:51:48.239
to stop, but I can't. So. Yeah. I've also been

903
00:51:48.239 --> 00:51:52.079
playing before that obsession happened, though. I was obsessed with

904
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:56.199
this game called the Cuisineir. You have this little restaurant

905
00:51:56.199 --> 00:52:00.519
interesting people. You can open the restaurant and people come

906
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:04.679
to the restaurant and they order something and you make

907
00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:06.679
it for them. They grab it and they sit in

908
00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:10.519
a little chair, and the restaurant gets crowded and if

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you don't have enough tables, they get mad and they leave. Yeah,

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and then you in order to have ingredients to upgrade

911
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the restaurant, no ingredient, ingredients to cook things, and then

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material to upgrade the restaurant, you have to go to

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this other area and like kill chickens and little peppers

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that have feed. And so yeah, that's what I was

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doing before that, which is why I wasn't watching anything

916
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spooky because all I was doing was playing Quisinier. And

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then my obsession with looking things up happened, and so yeah,

918
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I need to stop. I need to get back to

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the peak things. But it's not happening. Yeah. So yeah,

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I think we have reached the end of the episode.

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Unless you have anything to add, no, I think we're

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yeah at the end. Toodles, everyone, Yes, stay spooky and

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watch out for the Lady in White, Watch out for

924
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the Lady and the bat outfit. Christina My Book Tells

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is hosted by Christina and Carmen, produced and edited by

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Christina researched by Christina Carmen and with the help of

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Don Shout Out Don. If you aren't joying the podcast considerably,

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going to say five star review, we would really appreciate it.

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If you don't want to the five star review, just

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don't leave a review. But don't leave anything lower than that, please,

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I'm just kidding. You can reach out to the podcast

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at at spoaktos at gmail dot com. You can go

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to our website at bookitos dot com and fill out

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the contact form. If you want to support the podcast,

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It's super cool. I got new ones and these ones

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are huge. And if you want to support but you

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can or don't want to join the patreon, that's fine too.

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You can also get some merch. You can find sure sessay,

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spooky and old English letters. There's a beanie. I love

942
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the beanie. There's also a hat. There's a no Ma'm

943
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miss Sure, which is a fan favorite. There's a lot

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of options, crap tops, sweaters, it's almost swetter weather. We're

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nearing a Spookie season, so yeah, get your hoodies, you're

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gonna need them. If you don't want to do all that,

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that's fine too. You can just listen like you're listening now,

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and that's the best support that you can give us,

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like I always say in our ad break and Yeah,

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if you like history, you can follow Estodia's Unknown Mining,

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on all of our socials at a Spooky Tells All.

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This is in the show notes and we appreciate every

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single listen. Thank you so much. Stay as Spooky