May 9, 2025

Brujas During the Spanish Inquisition in Mexico

Brujas During the Spanish Inquisition in Mexico

The Spanish Inquisition lasted from 1571 to 1820, during that many were accused of witchcraft, mostly women. In this episode, Cristina tells Carmen two cases of brujas during the inquisition in Mexico. First they listen to a listener story and end...

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The Spanish Inquisition lasted from 1571 to 1820, during that many were accused of witchcraft, mostly women. In this episode, Cristina tells Carmen two cases of brujas during the inquisition in Mexico. First they listen to a listener story and end with spooky recommendations (which were a little longer in this episode).

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Hi, This is Christina and Carmen, and this is another

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episode of a Spooky Tales podcast for all things spooky, paranormal,

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O other places, myths, legends, true crime in Latin America.

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And today today's about Bruchas Brochas. Yeah, not your normal

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like Brucha legend. This is Bruchas during the Spanish Inquisition

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in Mexico. Spanish Inquisition. Mm hmm. But before we get

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to that, we do have a listener's story and if

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you have a story that you want to send to us,

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you can email a spookyitos at gmail dot com. You

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can submit it on Discord, you can send it via

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send them on Instagram, on TikTok, any of those work.

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You can also call the a spooky hotline, which is

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what this listener did. Yay. We love getting voicemails. There's

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just something to heard about someone telling their own speaky story. Truly. Yes,

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but really we love all forms of your stories, so

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send them in also. Yes, yes, yes, Okay, are you ready?

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I'm ready? All right, I'm gonna do one two three

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and then we'll press play. Okay, one two three Hi guys.

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I'm Nati Viva from Texas. So I have a couple

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of things. It's mostly my parents' house, which was my

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popole's old house. So one day my little brother was

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their at their house and he saw what looked like

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my cousin like run to the kitchen, and so he

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like went over there and he started calling his name,

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and he would he would nowhere to be found. So

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he called my cousin and he's like, hey, uh, where'd

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you go? And he's like, I already left your house.

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It's like, what do you mean you were just in

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the kitchen. I just saw you like run by, and

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he was like, no, I left, I left a while ago.

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And my brother was so scared. He called my mom

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and my dad home and everyone was looking everybody to

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make sure there wasn't like a burglar or anything. And

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from then on, we you know, we kind of just

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tucked it up because we met my purple and he

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should come and visit us and everything. And then like

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a couple of nights later, my mom was like woken

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up to the smell of my grandpa's cigarette smoke and

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it was like right by her window, and she didn't

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get scared or anything. She was like, oh, well, there

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it is. There's there's our sign saying that. Yeah, what's purple?

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That was here? But I thought it was pretty cool.

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Thank y'all for listening. Uh, I love listening to y'all's podcast,

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and I have a great day.

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Bye wow, thank you for setting that in. Okay, So

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first I thought, no, that's not your your grandpa. I'm sorry,

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that's something sinister, because anytime anyone like pretending to be

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someone else, Yes, yes, and maybe it was. But then

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what do they call him? Popo? Is that what she said? Yeah?

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Then Popo came and got rid of the thing, and

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that's why they smelled h city. That's what I think too,

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because I don't know why Popo would need to represent

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himself as somebody else, And the dida makes sense that whatever,

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like evil sys or thing, it was only a couple

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of days later they smelled popo scent because he was

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there to protect them. Yes, yes, and that that that

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turns this very horrifying thing into something beautiful truly, Yes, yes, yes, Okay,

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should we talk about Brucas during the Spanish inquisition in Mexico.

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Let's do it, Okay, and maybe maybe you're wondering why.

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And that's because the other day I don't know why.

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What the hell of me and you Carman, we're talking

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about that. We were talking about the granddaughters of the Witch,

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were yapping. We were yapping over at our other podcasts,

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we talked about Latin American history, but on Patreon we

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yap about not yep a lot. Yeah, And I don't

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know why either. I don't know how this came up. Well,

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we were talking about witches, so how that quote came up?

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And I remember saying, like, no, y'all are the daughters

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of the Confederacy because I remember laughing it's a joke

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from the internet. I didn't make it up. Yeah, the

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daughters of the people doing the burning. Actually, yes, you're

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the daughters of the burners of the inquisitors. Yeah. So yeah,

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that's why brucas are on our mind, exactly. And I know,

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obviously that's like tied with the Sale Witch trials, which

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famously did not happen in Latin America, right, they happened

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in Salem exactly, fucking dumb, okay, And but you know

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what Latin America did have was the Spanish Inquisition. And

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while there was not big, huge witch trial hunts. There

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was some. There were some more so outside of Mexico

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than in Mexico, but they still happened in Mexico. And

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that's what led me to these notes today. I have

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a couple of witch trials during the Spanish Inquisition in Mexico,

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and we have talked a bit about the Spanish Inquisition

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in previous episodes. I don't know why it came up.

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I think the Madia Pisatro. Yeah, yeah, we talked about it,

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but that was in that was in Mexico, right, yes, no, no, yeah,

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just the Spanish Inquisition in general we talked about. So

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I thought you said Mexico in Mexico. For some reason,

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the episode is in Mexico, but right now it's talking

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about the Spanish Acquisition as a whole. Also, sorry, you

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might hear my children more today, okay, but a quick refresher. So,

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the Tribunal of the Holy Office of the Inquisition in

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New Spain, that's the long way to say the Spanish Inquisition.

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So in New Mexico what they called Mexico to the

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colonized it. It was established in fifteen seventy one and

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then disbanded in eighteen twenty and the main place where they,

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you know, took all these accusations and reports and stuff

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like that. It was an office located in what is

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today the Museum of Medicine of UNAM, the University of

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in Mexico City. That's where they did this. I went there.

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Oh you did. Well, that's where they did it and

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it's still there. Interesting, which is wild to me. And

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the official number of those prosecuted under the inquisition is unknown,

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but it's estimated that fifty people were executed, and twenty

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nine of those fifty are Judaizurs, a faction of Jewish Christians.

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And I guess if people don't know, there was a

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persecution of Jewish people that started in Spain because of

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queen fuck was the Queen Isabella, I forget their names.

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One of the queens was like, we need to they

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need to convert, and so then there was like this

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whole movement of Jewish people pretending to convert. Oh I

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did not know that, No, not at all. Oh wow, okay, yeah,

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that's why there's a lot of Jewish people all over

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Latin America. Oh, that was like the start of Jewish

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migration into Latin America. But there's obviously a lot of reasons.

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That's one of the many, and the original intention of

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the Inquisition was to maintain Roman Catholic orthodoxy. But also

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part of it, once they started colonizing the global South,

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part of it was the conversion of the colonized indigenous

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people into Catholicism. And then once that happened, there was

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less punishing of the indigenous people. Like the Inquisition didn't

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really have a say in what the indigenous people did

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after the initial round of colonizing, so like in the

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late like I don't know, seventeen hundreds or whatever, like,

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they weren't punishing indigenous people under the Inquisition. It was

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all mestisos, negros mulatos and that's their words, right, I'm

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just reading my source. Because they had a cast system,

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they had a whole wildcast system, and so the people

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that were not just straight Indigenous, they were the people

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that were punished by the Inquisition. And this they also

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includes Jewish populations, but out of everyone that was persecuted

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by an Inquisition, women usually were the targets, like were

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the majority of people that were actually punished. And so

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this leads to our first story from seventeen oh nine.

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Lorenzo Martinez Montano was a fifty year old Spanish horse

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shoer living in Mexico City, and he went to the

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Holy Tribunal, the office of the Spanish Inquisition, to report

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a bruja, a woman named Bonificia Miranda. Do leave her alone,

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man let her be? And Bonificia was a single mestiza

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who dared to dress like a Spanish woman and also

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happened to be his mistress. Oh my God, of course,

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of course. Uh what is Spanish women dressed like compared

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to Mestisa's. You know, I really am not too sure,

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but I could imagine kind of like fancy dress or

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some shit. Yeah, I imagine that there was an official

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or maybe official dress code that people had to follow,

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because I know the Mariachi chadro suit was originally designated

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for indigenous people because they could not ride horses and

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they had to like be singled out in this uniform.

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So I remember you talking about that in your short

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lived in my short lived podcast called a Little Bit, Yes, yeah, yeah,

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and I want to bring that back. But I did

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have an episode about the history of the chattel suit,

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and just based on knowing that they did this with

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the chattel suit. I imagine that there was some sort

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of either official or an official dress code, but I

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didn't look it up for this, but that makes sense. Yeah,

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and I mean they had more money. So when the

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inquisitor asked him why he was reporting her, he said,

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Bonifisia had tied him, and now I had to tie.

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What tying is, yeah, m hm, cursedly, cursedly, yeah, crist fully. So.

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Tying or ligatura was a remedy done by Brucas. This

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involved taking an egg, piercing it with a straw, placing

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the hairs of your target slash victim in that hole,

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and then burying the egg where the victim urinated, and

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following these steps tied the target, making it so they

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cannot have intercourse with any women. That's so wild that

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this is from the seventeen hundred. I guess it's not

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that wild. But in Rakan she mentions this practice because

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you know, she teaches the woman or whatever these are

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the old ways. But I'm like, of course she would

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know that, like, yeah, you know these that goes into

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a book, but yeah, passed down and that Yeah, I

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mean that just shows how accurate research is done for

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like horror. Yes, also, yeah, if you haven't read a

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Hurricane of Seasons again, it destroyed us, but it was

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do I recommend it? No, we're not going to do

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this again. We already did this, right, yeah, I did

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it as a speaker recommendation. I'll save my attentionent for later, right, Yeah,

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let's still say it for but yes, so that's what

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Tayan is and following oh, I already said that. It

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makes it so they campen of course. Yeah, but it's

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also something that can be undone. It's not permanent. So

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the inquisitor then asked what made Lorden to believe that's like,

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why would she tie you? Why do you think she

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tied you? And he's like, well, when I first met

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Bonnie Facia, Oh did I say Boni Facia earlier? What

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did you say, Bonnie? It should be Bonnie Fsia. Sorry,

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I may say it wrong, but it's Bonnie Fisia. But

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I accidentally typed it different in a bunch of different places.

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So sorry. When he first met Bonnie Ficia, she used

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to give him Coco and we did talk about it

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somewhere else a long time ago. In another episode, I

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remember this about many women who made Coco being persecuted

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under the Spanish inquisition in Guatemala. It was one of

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our Blue Kaye episodes from before. But yeah, this was

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a thing. And so she used to give him cocoa

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and other things to eat, and that's how she probably

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cursed him because he accepted these things from her. And

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he said that during one of their meetups, he felt

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a hair cross into his viral member yea, and ever

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since that day he cannot get it up with his wife.

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For his wife, sir, did you think that maybe this

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could be because there's something else? But no, everything during

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this time was woman's fault exactly. But he had been

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able to perform the deed with Boni Fisia. Obviously this

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was a curse, like it can't be anything else. Wow,

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And to prove his case, Lorenzo brought in a letter

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signed by five witnesses. And I don't know how you

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have witnesses for that? How do you get five witnesses

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for this? And they had to be president while he

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was trying to get along with his wife, right like,

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I can't imagine another way to prove this and then

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right like questionable yeah, yeah. In that same letter, he

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mentions a two year affair with Winifia, during which they

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had a daughter. Oh my god, and he got tired

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of the affair and wanted to end it, and he

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offered to Oneificia to be her compadre and baptized their daughter.

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And back then, I don't know about now, but back then,

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compadres were considered spiritual kin, and that meant real kin.

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So they were That meant they were going to be

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a real family. And under the rule of the church,

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compadrees couldn't be freaking together. They weren't allowed. Well that

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makes sense, right, because that's like your sibling now, right right,

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your spiritual sibling. Yeah, yeah, you can't do it with them. Interesting,

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And this was like a sneaky way to try and

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end their relationship without saying the words let's let's break

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this up. I don't want to do this anymore. He's like,

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why don't I be her compadre? Wow? Yeah, this is

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like the original way of like, it's not me, it's you. Yes, yes,

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And Bonnie Ficiah, obviously it was not cool. Wait, I

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didn't even say that, right, it's not you, it's me.

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It's wait to say I said it's not me. It's you. Oh,

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and of course I would be like yes, yeah, oh

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my god, what's wrong with us? I know, because it's

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never our fault. No, exactly, And yeah, obviously when if

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I was not cool with this, and so when he

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said that to her, she was like, if you dare

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do this, you will remember me for the rest of

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your life, and also said she wished his wife would die. Oh,

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Sachary catching strays this poor wife. Right first he teats

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on her. He first, he cheats on her for two years,

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and then the mistress is like, yeah, and she should

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fucking die. Also, she was already sick. The wife was sick. Yeah,

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she was already sick. She was just sick, like a

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sick woman. Oh. I don't know remember you saying that before? No,

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I just said right now, I hadn't talked about the wife.

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Oh okay, yeah, and I didn't write notes. Oh, so

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she was sick, she was getting cheated on. He was

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out there having children on her, and then he couldn't

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even have sex with her and then was like die bitch,

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wow wow, yeah, like what it was messed up. But

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Lorenzo ignored when Bonificia said this, He's like whatever, until

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he just couldn't get it up with his wife. Then

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he was like, all right, you cursed me, ruined my marriage.

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It wasn't him. I did would say marriage. He ruined

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his marrige, but okay not according to Lorenzo. And he

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tried to go to Bonnificia for a cure, because again,

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tying someone can be undone, but she was awaiting him

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as she should, right, And then one day he ran

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into Bonnificia's sister and mother and they advised him to

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cut his hair as a cure. I don't know, maybe

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just know what that would have if that would have worked,

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But he didn't want to be because the tying involved hair.

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Oh my god, that makes so much sense because his

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hair was put Oh is that smart? Yeah, you know

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what that could be it, But he didn't want to

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do it. He wanted to keep his hair and I'm like,

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you can't have it. Look what happened exactly for being vain,

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for our Spanish tent trends. And yeah, he didn't listen.

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And then they told them to go to a surgeon

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named Juan Guerrero, and he did do that, maybe because

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it was another man. I don't know what would the

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surgeon even do nothing, nothing except confirmed that Lorenzo was

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definitely cursed. I'm sorry, how is the surgeon qualified to

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make that determination? What do they know about witchery? He

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looked at him, He's like, they know, I got let

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me bring up my prescription pad. Cursed, cursed. You should

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already know this cursed. Yeah. I wonder why he would know.

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What did he do to know officially he was cursed?

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But that was his diagnosis, interesting cursed and so uh.

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Lorenzo's last recourse was going to the Holy Tribunal and

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accusing Bon Monifsia, and the inquisitor then sent Lorenzo to

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another priest at the same holy tribunal, where Lorenzo was

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supposed to confess and hopefully, with this confession his sin

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would be forgiven and thus he would be cured, he

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would be absolved of his sins. And there's no other

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record on what happened to Lorenzo after or if the

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inquisition ever went after Bonnificia. I'm going to hope that

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they didn't and she went on to live a happy

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long life, however long that could be back then, and

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that she went on cursing the men that she wanted

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because they probably deserved it. And I mean Lorenzo did, yes,

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and I wish the same for her. Okay. And so

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this next story also comes from Mexico City, but some

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years after the first one. So wait, how long did

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the inquisition last? Oh? I sit her in the beginning,

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but I had to go look again. Hold on fifteen

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seventy one to eighteen twenty. Oh that's quite a while. Yeah,

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towards the end, they were no longer interested in persecuting

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people the way they did in the beginning, So they

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were just putting them in jail. What were they doing

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nothing at the end. It was like first when they

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arrived into Spain, it was like all about converting all

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the deshase people they could write. Then you know, came

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like the rest of conversation. The mestizos, the all the

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black people they uh trafficked into Mexico. They're offspring. And

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so the that's part a bit. I know all this.

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I want to know what happened. So these this time period,

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Now they were in the late sixteen hundreds, so like that,

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don't know, the end of the seventeen hundreds, this was

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them looking for witchcraft all the accusations of witchcraft. Then

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after that it became like looking for people that were

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making quote unquote packs with the devil, and they wouldn't

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do anything with them. They were kind of the same.

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They would have trials and they would either like say

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confess or exorcisms, right, things like that. Sometimes they didn't

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do anything. Sometimes they just put them in prison. And

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then later they just didn't do anything. They didn't like

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look into these investigations anymore. It just wasn't like worth

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their time. That was like the end towards the end

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of the toward the end of the inquisition. So they're

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just chilling. They weren't doing anything, nothing like this. I

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forgot what their goal was after this, but yeah, there

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was no more persecuting people like there was during these years.

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And then yeah, so yeah, this happened. This one happened

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a few years sins of the first film, but also

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in Mexico City. Frey Diego Nunez was a Spanish and

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slaver living in Mexico City, and in seventeen thirty three

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his life started falling apart because he believed that this

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was happening because of a curse by Bruca, and he

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wrote a letter to the inquisition, and his letter kind

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of told his like a life story and the curse

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and all that. So his arms were so painful he

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could barely manage to move them, and no medicine helped

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at all. This went on for days until he tried

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an incense and then he was healed. After his arms

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were all better, he found that he could no longer pee.

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He couldn't go pee, and this lasted eleven days. He

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probably had a gone a rehab honestly, or syphilis. Syphilis

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is the one actually working that in here, That's what

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I was thinking of. Yeah, And when he was finally

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able to go, he expelled twenty or more normal measures,

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so he just like he peed insane pete wow, like

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an ocean. After that, he started having horrible body aches.

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And this ordeal went on for eight months. Like the

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more I read, the more it sounds like sils No

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cursed by Bruca. Then he started having horrible, horrible body

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ech o. I'm sorry I read that. Oh, then things

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got weird. He claims that after this eight month or

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a deal of all those symptoms, he started having stones

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come out of him over the span of two weeks,

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like kidney stones, No, like stones from all or orifices.

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Oh yeah, including his pee hole. Yes, isn't that a thing? Well,

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kidney stones is a thing, but to come out, but

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he was saying, stones were coming out from everywhere. Oh

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that's the difference. But yeah, Cindy, stones do come out.

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You had to pass them, and it's very painful, like

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compared to childbirth. Painful. And I would say, like man

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on the floor crying painful, But that doesn't mean a lot.

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So these stones one of the many weird things about

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all this. The stones that were coming out of him

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were all different. Some were spongy stones, other were smooth,

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and others were smooth and solid, and some were different colors.

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And sometimes it wasn't even stones but wool wool. Yeah,

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woo whoa, whoa, whoa, yes, wooa what mm hmmm? Did

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other people see these things? Or you know, he didn't

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have Winness sign a letter like Lorenzo wow, So I

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don't believe him. So he said going to the bathroom

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was painful and strange and unusual things came out of

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his body when he went to go pee, and it

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was terrible, things like emeralds, olives, what or stool that

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looked goat like goat like yeah, like goat poop. I

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don't know what got poop looks like me either, Yeah,

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I couldn't. I couldn't. Citys. Yeah, we are not farm girls. No,

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we're not from Adrancho at all. And all of these

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weird ass symptoms were always worse on Sundays, which is

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a day God's day, exactly the most holiest of day. Okay,

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I believe it now. He is cursed. And these all

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these things that were happening to him, combining with them

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being worse on Sunday to Diego, all pointed to one thing, witchcraft.

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This was obviously a curse. It couldn't be anything else.

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And he suspected Yeah, and he suspected one person, a

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woman named Manuela, who prays the woman right always, That's

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what I'm saying, always a woman. And Manuela had been

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enslaved by Diego. It was one of his enslaved people

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that he enslaves. Well, then he deserved to be curbed, right.

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So it's like, if she did it, I'm on her side,

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no doubt about it. Yeah, support her rights and wrongs.

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And all of Frey Diego's troubles began after he caught

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Manuela with another man, a young painter, and he scolded

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them and punished them. Who cares if she's with another man?

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The hell he does, because this is his property, according

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to him, disgusting and so obviously the things that were

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happening to him was Manuela seeking revenge for him punishing

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them and keeping them apart. And this, this, to him,

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explained the spongy rocks and the wool coming out of

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his body, because these were tools painters used. Oh and

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now I'm like, hmm, well maybe maybe maybe, And I

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kind of love her for it, me too, And you know,

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it made sense to him. Manuela had access to curse him.

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She made all of his food, his drinks, she prepared

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his clothes everything. You know what this is similar like

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to who was the other guy for all Lorenzo. Lorenzo's like, oh,

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she made me food, she feded me, so she had

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access and like the ability to curse me. I'm like, man,

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this wouldn't be our problem if you just cook through

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yourself and find yourself. No for real, but no, they

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can't do that. And he also accused her of putting

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love potions in his chocolate hot chocolate. The cocos again

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a common thing. Yeah. Also it's like the there's another

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layer to it because the preparing of the coco, how

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coco was this sacred thing and a lot of like

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especially like the Mexika. So I don't know about other

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indigenous groups, but specifically the Mexica who were in Mexico

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City right like then, but the making of the haw

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coco was the sacred thing used only for rituals or

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to like relieve pain for like women, and the preparers

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of this hot coco traditionally were always women anyway, and

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so this practice would have continued, but now it's this

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demonized thing instead of this sacred thing. So I found

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that fascinating too, because you know me, I love to

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uh look into like what else is going on here? Yeah.

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Diego eventually found another African woman named get through These

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uh to help him with the curse. She was a

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healer and she had the knowledge to get rid of curses.

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And he improves a little bit after reaching out to

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get Through These for help, and he sent Manuela away,

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but not before punishing her with daily beatings bitch, And

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so I stand by him deserving it. He should have

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been cursed even worse, honestly, right, Yeah, but after he

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sent Manuela away, he was not getting fully better just

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a little bit, and get through these at all, right,

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get through these told Diego that the reason he wasn't

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healing because he's a bitch. Yeah, I get through these.

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Told Diego the reason he wasn't healing faster is because

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Manuela had a doll of him and she was using

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the doll for witchcraft. And the only way for him

440
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to be fully better was for Manuela to get rid

441
00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:55.839
of the doll or give him the doll. And so

442
00:28:55.920 --> 00:28:59.440
he went to Manuila and demanded the doll and told her,

443
00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:02.160
if you give me the doll, I will set you free.

444
00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:05.279
I don't know if he actually did, but get through

445
00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:08.559
These went to her to Manuela and did get the

446
00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:13.920
doll back, and still there was no improvement with Diego.

447
00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:17.720
And so when he wasn't getting better, he began to

448
00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:20.799
suspect that Get Through These and Manuela were working together

449
00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:28.599
Wow to curse him. And just as he was like,

450
00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:30.559
you know what, she's probably in on it, he ran

451
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:34.240
into some Spanish woman who told him that she saw

452
00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:38.039
get through these performing black magic. It's like they were

453
00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:40.920
just getting people to snitch on each other. Oh yeah,

454
00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:43.440
that was whole, the whole like dynamic that was set up.

455
00:29:43.480 --> 00:29:49.559
It's like this long history of snitching on people. Yeah,

456
00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:52.799
and he's like, yeah, you know what. She probably wasn't

457
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:55.440
even trying to help me from the beginning. Her and

458
00:29:55.519 --> 00:29:59.640
Manuana were working together to curse me. Wow, they should have.

459
00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:03.160
And we only know this because he sent a letter

460
00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:06.319
to the Spanish Inquisition. He didn't go in person. But

461
00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:08.559
other than that, there's no record of what happened to

462
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:13.680
him after Manuela de Bocanegra or get through these like,

463
00:30:13.720 --> 00:30:19.359
there's no nothing. Well I hope that nothing bad happened

464
00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:24.079
to them. Yeah. Same. But you can find his letter.

465
00:30:24.519 --> 00:30:26.880
I have the link if anyone wants to read it

466
00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:30.559
in Spanish. It's in the archives of the Spanish Inquisition,

467
00:30:31.119 --> 00:30:34.519
which is archived under like the Mexican government has a

468
00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:37.440
section of things under that, and that's where that letter is.

469
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:41.680
So yeah, those are two cases of bruchheria during the

470
00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:44.960
Spanish Inquisition, which we really have to wonder was it

471
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:51.079
actually bruckheria more likely not, Yeah, but if it was

472
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:56.960
and whatnot. But even if they did, I don't care.

473
00:30:57.440 --> 00:31:01.960
I'm right for them yeah. Same. Hopefully these these girlies

474
00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:05.799
lived out their full lives. They continure to their full

475
00:31:05.880 --> 00:31:10.599
thirty years old life. Yeah yeah, and continue to set

476
00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:15.799
their crisis upon the world, so we can only hope.

477
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:20.759
Yeah and yeah. That's it for this episode. Also, I

478
00:31:20.759 --> 00:31:22.799
didn't say this at the beginning, but I'm trying to

479
00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:26.240
do short episodes because we need to create a backlog,

480
00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:30.640
like I have a little mini vacation coming up this

481
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:33.720
weekend and then again at the end of the month.

482
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:35.799
At the end of the month, Carmen and I will

483
00:31:35.839 --> 00:31:38.480
be can we say what we're doing? Oh? We should? Yeah?

484
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:42.559
Do you want to say we're going to leave y'all? Yes?

485
00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:47.640
And for those that don't know, it's the la that

486
00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:54.240
the National Film Festival. Yes, we were invited by. These

487
00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:58.599
are the one of the writers of Madris who reached

488
00:31:58.640 --> 00:32:03.599
out and says she wrote or directed, wrote and directed.

489
00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:06.720
I forgot already. Wow, this is terrible anyway, this short,

490
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:12.200
this Western horror called The Hour of Blood. I love

491
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:16.519
Western horror, Yes, I can't. I only read like one

492
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:22.319
Western horror Vampires. Oh wait two? Oh, okay, Let's own

493
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:28.440
Woman by Victor Lavelle. Oh what yes? Okay? Oh? How

494
00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:31.480
was that, so good bye bout All. I'm gonna add

495
00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:34.599
it to my list. You would love it. I loved

496
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:36.559
his other book that I already forgot, the one with

497
00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:41.839
the Devil. The Devil I can't remember. But yeah, she

498
00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:47.599
uh invited us to watch her short, and even though

499
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:50.440
it's a very short short, UH worth the whole trip

500
00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:54.160
for us. So we're gonna go Karmen is gonna pick

501
00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:57.480
me up or leaving the children with our Mathenet, and

502
00:32:57.519 --> 00:33:01.519
then we're gonna head to La to watch that. So

503
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:05.519
and I don't know, maybe we'll do some other stuff too. Yeah, yeah,

504
00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:08.359
that'll be fun. Maybe we'll run into some listeners somewhere.

505
00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:11.319
If you see us, we don't know who you are,

506
00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:16.720
so you can say hi. Yeah. But yeah, I'm excited

507
00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:20.160
for that movie. I was gonna say it's gonna stout

508
00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:22.079
the movie. Oh. The name of the movie kind of

509
00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:26.920
reminds me of this other occurrence in Texas history called

510
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:31.440
the Hour of Blood, where they went killing Mexicans, and

511
00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:34.240
I remember if it was I wonder if Bill has

512
00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:37.400
to do with that, I wonder, I wonder. I don't

513
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:39.920
know it's set around that time period, because I think

514
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:42.799
it was set in nineteen fifteen or was it maybe

515
00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:49.000
before that. They don't quote me on that, but yeah, so, yeah,

516
00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:51.279
we're gonna be doing things, so we need to create

517
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:55.680
a little backlog for us so we can still release episodes. Yeah,

518
00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:59.519
and it's hard. It is hard now here. It is

519
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:11.679
it is. But do you have any spooky recommendations? I do,

520
00:34:11.719 --> 00:34:13.280
because I feel like I don't know what I've been doing.

521
00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:16.480
I feel like I haven't been recommending anything. Oh well,

522
00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:19.679
last time I wasn't on you went here last time? Yeah,

523
00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:22.639
and yes that was Christina's fault. I gave her the

524
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:30.840
wrong date time both time time. Okay, the date was correct. Okay, Yeah,

525
00:34:31.159 --> 00:34:33.800
I did I talk about No, I think I did.

526
00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:35.599
The reason I don't remember is because you had already

527
00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:38.679
recommended this cursed houts and then I read it, yes

528
00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:40.840
after you, And I think that's why why I didn't

529
00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:43.440
talk about it, because you had already talked about it. Yeah,

530
00:34:43.519 --> 00:34:48.559
it's so good anyway, yes, so good. But I listened

531
00:34:48.599 --> 00:34:54.000
to two was it two pretty Hendrick's books? Oh? Yeah,

532
00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:58.119
the new one. I didn't recommend that either. Huh yet

533
00:34:58.239 --> 00:35:00.800
I remember I talked to you about it. Oh wait,

534
00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:04.360
I listened to three Grady Hendricks books. You've been on

535
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:08.880
a Grady Hendrix kick, Yes, and you know what why?

536
00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:14.159
You know why? Not what? Anyway? And you know why? Okay,

537
00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:18.719
why because I so on Libby. I had a hold

538
00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:22.760
for Witchcraft for Wayward Girls, which is his newest book,

539
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:25.639
came out probably like what last month, I think or

540
00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:29.079
two months ago, and I had a hold on it.

541
00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:31.599
It took like two months so it finally became available.

542
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:36.880
So I listened to that, and then recently I learned

543
00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:44.320
about this free library like app to for all California residents.

544
00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:46.519
Oh yeah, I think I had told you about it,

545
00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:48.039
but I don't think I've talked about it on here.

546
00:35:48.559 --> 00:35:52.639
I thought I told you about it. Why would you

547
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:54.599
tell me? I send you a Threads post I saw,

548
00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:57.440
Oh yes, maybe that's how I found out about it. Yeah,

549
00:35:57.559 --> 00:35:59.559
I'm like, why would you tell me about it? By

550
00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:05.199
the fun why would you not? Kelly Resident? You fucking

551
00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:11.159
wash it him, bitch, whoa, whoa, whoa, calm down, I'm

552
00:36:11.199 --> 00:36:14.880
just kidding. Uh anyway, Yeah, Christina told me about it

553
00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:20.360
after all that. But anyway, it's super simple and there's

554
00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:22.960
a pdf online about how to sign up for it.

555
00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:25.000
But it's still pretty simple. You do have to be

556
00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:28.159
in California because it uses your GPS thing. Okay, No,

557
00:36:28.519 --> 00:36:30.079
I remember I was visiting you when you told me

558
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:31.440
about it, and I'm like, I'm gonna wait till I

559
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:34.639
get back right. The app is called Palace, and then

560
00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:38.519
you search California's bookshelf and there is a whole shit

561
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:41.280
town of books on there. Oh, no, wonder you've been

562
00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:44.920
reading so much more? Yes, yeah, one of them, this

563
00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:46.880
Chris House, I read on my phone because that's the

564
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:48.400
thing is, so if you have if you like to

565
00:36:48.440 --> 00:36:50.679
read on Kindle, it doesn't you can't send them to

566
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:53.480
your kindle. Oh, so I read it on my phone,

567
00:36:53.559 --> 00:36:56.159
This Chris House, which is it wasn't bad because I

568
00:36:56.239 --> 00:36:58.519
finally got a new phone with the biggest screen a

569
00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:02.199
while ago. But yeah, they have a lot of audiobooks too,

570
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:04.800
and they even have a Spanish section. I haven't listened

571
00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:07.079
to any Spanish books. Wow, But you know, it's the

572
00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:08.840
funniest thing. I was on there looking to see what

573
00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:11.079
they had, and then I even screenshirted it because when

574
00:37:11.079 --> 00:37:13.000
I read it, when I read the title just from

575
00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:17.800
the small like little screen that was there, I thought,

576
00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:23.360
so a Colleen Hoover book is on there in Spanish

577
00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:28.320
and it's called rob It's it ends with us. But

578
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:33.400
when I read the title, I thought, oh, my fucking god,

579
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:36.760
it looks like you're from far away. So I was like,

580
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:39.360
excuse me. And then I was like, oh, it's miss

581
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:44.159
Colin Hooper. What Colleen? Excuse me? But anyway, so, yeah,

582
00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:46.719
they have a lot of audiobooks on there and so,

583
00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:50.519
and they have way more Grady Hendrix than Libby my

584
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:53.960
library does, and Liby is different for every county. So

585
00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:56.079
I mean, yeah, mine has a lot of books that

586
00:37:56.079 --> 00:38:00.159
yours doesn't, way more. Yeah, but yeah, I listened to

587
00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:03.679
so wait, first of all, which word which craft for?

588
00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:08.760
We Were Girls? Was super interesting? You talked about that

589
00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:11.719
one I sent you like a voice message or text

590
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:13.920
about it. That's what I'm taking. Yeah, sorry, all right,

591
00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:17.000
So I did. I was telling Christiane about it that

592
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:19.960
I could see it being very triggering because there's a

593
00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:23.440
lot of like body horror and like, I don't know,

594
00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:28.840
pretty graphic descriptions of like child births, and they're pretty

595
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:33.199
mean back then to those girls, those teen girls also that,

596
00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:38.559
so they treat them even worse. And you know, back

597
00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:43.679
then there was even less respecting of like the person

598
00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:46.400
giving birth of their wishes and everything like that. Right,

599
00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:49.760
there's like a lot of that going on. But I

600
00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:51.679
did think it was gonna be a little bit more witchy,

601
00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:54.480
but the like the witchiness happens in the background of

602
00:38:54.599 --> 00:38:57.079
what the girls are going through. But it was still

603
00:38:57.079 --> 00:38:59.599
super interesting. I would say, I think I would have

604
00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:02.280
preferred to read it then to listen to it, because

605
00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:08.000
when one of the girls is giving birth, like the

606
00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:11.039
narrator straight up screams, Oh that's right, you did tell

607
00:39:11.079 --> 00:39:13.920
me that. Yeah, And it's a little it's a little much,

608
00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:19.360
am much. Yeah. I was like, I feel like I

609
00:39:19.400 --> 00:39:22.320
almost fast forward it. I probably would have. I should have,

610
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:25.599
because I'm like, I don't need to listen to this. Yeah. Yeah,

611
00:39:26.679 --> 00:39:28.480
but it was still good and I liked it, and

612
00:39:28.519 --> 00:39:30.119
I did end up breating it four and a half

613
00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:34.480
out of five for me, Okay, And then I listened

614
00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:37.880
to my best friend's Exorcism. That one. I loved. It

615
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:41.880
was amazing. Yeah, that was good. And my favorite thing

616
00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:46.199
was the friendship. There's nothing that I love more than

617
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:50.719
a writer die friendship. Friendship, and that's what these girls

618
00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:53.519
had till the end. Yet a full variant and the

619
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:56.159
end I literally almost cried. That takes a lot for

620
00:39:56.199 --> 00:40:01.000
Carmen to cry yeah, because she's dead inside exactly exactly yes.

621
00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:05.519
And then I listened to Stickum dead and sign oh

622
00:40:05.599 --> 00:40:13.599
yeah is dead insigne No, just the inside, Okay. I

623
00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:17.119
listened to We Sold Our Souls by Grady Hendricks, and

624
00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:19.639
I think that I need to I need to just

625
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:25.000
like got that that books about heavy rock or like

626
00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:29.239
rock pands are not for me. Oh yeah, I would

627
00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:33.639
probably just skip on that, skip that yeah alone. Yeah,

628
00:40:33.960 --> 00:40:37.920
I some parts were grabbed. They grabbed my attention. So

629
00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:40.960
I did end up braiding it three because so I

630
00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:43.960
don't know if it just didn't catch my attention and

631
00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:46.239
I missed a lot, and then I'm like, what happened?

632
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:48.760
So that's I'm like, I feel like I couldn't give

633
00:40:48.760 --> 00:40:51.519
it less than three like I wanted, because I'm like, okay,

634
00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:53.480
what if it was my fault for not paying attention,

635
00:40:53.519 --> 00:40:56.039
but also it didn't grasp it didn't keep my attention,

636
00:40:56.480 --> 00:40:58.400
and then out the book has to be like interesting

637
00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:00.760
and good for me to pay attention if not in

638
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:04.519
my mind goes elsewhere, and that happened with this one.

639
00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:07.599
So I did see like a lot of the reviews

640
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:10.440
were like, you know, if they liked rock and like

641
00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:14.159
listen to that music, then they liked it more than

642
00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:16.719
others who didn't. So I think I just fall in

643
00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:18.639
that camp that it's not for me, because I felt

644
00:41:18.679 --> 00:41:22.280
the same way about what was it called the other

645
00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:30.000
book by Oh I did not much care for that either. Video. Yes,

646
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:35.079
Ghost Radio gave off the same vibes as this one. Yeah,

647
00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:37.360
our souls And you know, maybe it's my fault. I

648
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:42.559
was expecting something like Jennifer's Buddy Oh okay, yeah, because

649
00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:46.960
you know that band sells their souls. Yes, yes, and

650
00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:49.679
that was my bad because also another thing I don't

651
00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:54.920
like about Palace is that you can't read a summary

652
00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:57.760
of the book. You just have to just the title.

653
00:41:57.800 --> 00:41:58.840
You have to go off five.

654
00:41:58.960 --> 00:41:59.199
Yeah.

655
00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:02.400
Yeah. So I've been finding books that I already know

656
00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:05.280
about and know what they're about, so it had him

657
00:42:05.320 --> 00:42:07.119
been a problem for me, But this one, I was like, well,

658
00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:09.840
I like every Grady Hendrix book that I read. I like,

659
00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:12.960
so I was like, I'll like it too, But it

660
00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:17.679
was for me, I don't think, Okay, okay, Yeah, I

661
00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:20.840
have heard critiques of him, especially in the way word,

662
00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:26.079
which is one about the way he writes black women.

663
00:42:26.760 --> 00:42:29.480
But I haven't read it, so I don't know. I

664
00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:35.000
heard the same thing about the Southern Women's Book Club Guide,

665
00:42:35.079 --> 00:42:37.760
whatever the hell was called. You know what you're talking about, right, Yeah,

666
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:40.880
i'd about both of those killing vampires or whatever it

667
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:45.159
was called. Yeah, I don't know if I'm just dumb

668
00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:49.119
and I miss you know, we have said we are

669
00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:52.800
dumb in other books. I grasp when something's a little off.

670
00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:55.880
Oh my god. You know what I haven't talked about

671
00:42:55.880 --> 00:42:57.480
and I haven't even wanting to make a tick talk

672
00:42:57.519 --> 00:43:02.159
about talking shit about this book. Incidents. No, it's not

673
00:43:02.199 --> 00:43:07.000
called incidents. That's another one, okay, because I liked incidents around.

674
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:13.000
I haven't even read that anyway. I think that was

675
00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:15.679
basically it about. Okay, but now I want to know

676
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:17.880
what book you're talking about right now. It's because I

677
00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:21.079
was saying that I do. I usually do catch like

678
00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:23.440
things like, wait, this is a little off, this is

679
00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:27.719
like like racist, this is like depiction of this race,

680
00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:31.960
this is very flat. Yeah, yeah, sometimes I can catch it.

681
00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:34.800
I I don't know if I if I just like

682
00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:39.840
Grady Hendrix, then it misses me because I'm an apologist. Yes,

683
00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:43.840
I'm a Grady Hendricks apologist, I am. But yeah, because

684
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:45.960
I think they say, hey, you, this is a magical

685
00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:48.920
Negro trope. That's what I That's what it was. I

686
00:43:48.920 --> 00:43:51.440
couldn't remember what it was, but yeah, I think that's

687
00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:54.480
what I heard too. Yeah, and his books are very white,

688
00:43:54.519 --> 00:43:58.000
but he's white, and I think it's hard. I don't know,

689
00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:01.480
I don't I an, I just kidding. I'm not defending.

690
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:05.840
I'm an apologize. You definitely a white man. Don't make

691
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:08.440
me defend great handed. I'm just kidding. I think that

692
00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:11.559
it's a tricky area because you also don't want to

693
00:44:11.599 --> 00:44:15.639
get into a white author writing people of color or

694
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:18.960
black people and then stereotyping and not doing a good

695
00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:20.760
job about it. And so I'm like, I don't know,

696
00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:23.400
do I prefer them to stick to the what they

697
00:44:23.480 --> 00:44:28.360
know or not? Also another critique I saw, I saw

698
00:44:28.440 --> 00:44:30.800
people saying, you can clearly tell this it's written by

699
00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:34.679
a man. Oh, I have heard that about the way

700
00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:37.760
he rants women. But I don't know. Maybe I'm not

701
00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:41.519
one of the other girls because I haven't noticed me either.

702
00:44:41.719 --> 00:44:43.840
That's what I'm saying. I think because I am a

703
00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:48.119
signe no, in a way. Same because I sighed about

704
00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:50.639
The Final Girls Support Club. Oh, I haven't read that.

705
00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:53.440
On Saturday, it is on Polis, so it's on my list. Yeah,

706
00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:55.440
you should read it. But I'm like, I don't know.

707
00:44:55.599 --> 00:44:58.840
I mean, there are traumatized survivors. I don't I don't know.

708
00:44:59.239 --> 00:45:02.639
I don't notice. I didn't notice that. And I feel

709
00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:05.960
like I have noticed it in other books or like

710
00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:08.559
when I've watched I don't know. I don't know if

711
00:45:08.559 --> 00:45:11.360
it's just easier to miss for in his books, but

712
00:45:11.480 --> 00:45:17.320
I haven't felt any kind of way about his women characters. Yeah, same, same,

713
00:45:17.400 --> 00:45:21.000
And and I found that critique about the Southern Women's Guides,

714
00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:23.719
and I keep forgetting what it's called the exact title

715
00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:31.320
of Southern Guides book Club Vampires some feeling, I think

716
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:35.400
something you know, people will people will know, but I

717
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:37.400
don't know. I didn't get that vibe because to me,

718
00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:42.960
all the women were so different, but they were all

719
00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:46.360
in some way being like controlled by the men in

720
00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:49.480
their lives. But I don't think that's wrong. I think

721
00:45:49.519 --> 00:45:52.760
that's true, especially in that time because it was. It's

722
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:55.360
not current, so I don't know, And I think the

723
00:45:55.400 --> 00:46:00.199
same thing may be said for which word wayward? Ever,

724
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:07.239
which way weard? School for girls? Yes, everything like that

725
00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:14.039
gets worse, It gets more incorrectly as we say it. Yeah, yeah,

726
00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:19.400
more wrong as I go on. But yeah, I mean

727
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:22.079
the thing can be said like to me, each character

728
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:26.079
was different and it was written of those times, you know.

729
00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:28.400
So I don't know. I don't feel like that when

730
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:33.639
I read his books. But maybe other people are smarter

731
00:46:33.679 --> 00:46:43.880
than me. That's true for sure. But yeah, I listened

732
00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:47.280
to Hidden Pictures. Have you heard of this book? I haven't.

733
00:46:48.320 --> 00:46:53.760
It's by Jason Ricculac, and I had heard good reviews

734
00:46:53.800 --> 00:46:56.360
about it, but then as I was listening to it,

735
00:46:56.440 --> 00:46:58.440
I'm like, what the fuck? So then I go. I

736
00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:01.000
whenever i'm feeling like what the hell, I go and

737
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:04.800
look at the reviews. You go searching for opinions. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

738
00:47:04.920 --> 00:47:07.000
see if they match with you with what you're thinking.

739
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:11.960
Of course. Yeah, and some people felt as weird as

740
00:47:11.960 --> 00:47:14.880
I did. And I've been wanting to look more into

741
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:18.360
this author to see what he's about because of how

742
00:47:18.400 --> 00:47:21.400
weird the book was. What is this book about?

743
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:22.599
So?

744
00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:26.800
Fresh out of rehab, Malory Quinn takes a job in

745
00:47:26.840 --> 00:47:30.719
the affluent suburb of Springbrook, New Jersey, as a babysitter

746
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:35.039
for ted and Carolyn Maxwell. She is to look after

747
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:39.760
their five year old son, Teddy. Malory immediately loves his

748
00:47:39.880 --> 00:47:42.840
new job. She lives in the Maxwell's poolhouse, goes out

749
00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:46.440
for nightly runs, and has the stability she craves, and

750
00:47:46.599 --> 00:47:49.400
she sincerely bonds with Teddy, a sweet, shy boy who

751
00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:53.119
is never without his sketchbook and pencil. His drawings are

752
00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:56.679
the usual fair trees, rabbits, balloons, but one day he

753
00:47:56.760 --> 00:47:59.599
draws something different, a man in the forest dragging a

754
00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:04.119
woman's lifeless body. As the day's passed, Teddy's artwork becomes

755
00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:07.679
more and more sinister, and his stick figures steadily evolve

756
00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:12.119
into more detailed, complex and lifelike sketches will beyond the

757
00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:15.239
ability of any five year old. Mallory begins to suspect

758
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:18.679
these are glimpses of an unsolved murder from long ago,

759
00:48:18.760 --> 00:48:22.000
perhaps relayed by a supernatural force lingering in the forest

760
00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:25.960
behind the Maxwell's house. With help from a handsome landscaper

761
00:48:26.079 --> 00:48:29.599
and an eccentric neighbor, Mallory sets out to decipher the

762
00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:32.800
images and save Teddy. While coming to terms with the

763
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:37.239
tragedy in her own past before it's too late. So

764
00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:44.320
from that description, yes, okay, it's called hidden pictures. Okay.

765
00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:47.360
And the cool thing I guess from people that read

766
00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:50.400
it the drawing. There's drawings that the kid draws are

767
00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:52.679
in the book, So I mean that's a cool aspect.

768
00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:58.039
So I was suspecting I guess, like, you know, something supernatural, paranormal.

769
00:48:58.840 --> 00:49:05.280
It was weird. So this couple and spoilers ahead this couple,

770
00:49:05.599 --> 00:49:09.559
Ted and Carolyn are like super liberal, but like you know,

771
00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:15.400
like like liberal in the bad sense, which is a liberal, yes,

772
00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:21.079
derogatory in the sense of derogatory, And so I don't

773
00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:25.079
know if it's supposed to be like satirical or if

774
00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:30.639
like so they have all these rules that Mallory Mallory

775
00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:33.880
is supposed to follow, and does it even say anything

776
00:49:33.920 --> 00:49:37.039
about her oh Fresh Shadow rehab it does say. Okay,

777
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:39.800
so Malory is super into AA or n A whatever

778
00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:42.960
the hell. She's always talking about God, which is fine.

779
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:49.840
People believe in God. I'm not against that, and but

780
00:49:51.159 --> 00:49:54.719
not Mallory. Ted and Carolyn are against that. And so

781
00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:58.000
they don't want her to to talk to Ted about

782
00:49:58.039 --> 00:50:02.159
her religion because they're all about science in science, which understandable,

783
00:50:02.199 --> 00:50:06.280
but it's fine. It's dark kid blah blah blah. But

784
00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:08.800
there's like little like equips here and there about that,

785
00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:12.920
and I don't know, it's it's weird. Mallory also loves JK.

786
00:50:13.039 --> 00:50:16.039
Rowling and Harry Potter, and to me in this day

787
00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:21.599
and age, it's weird. And this book was published in

788
00:50:21.639 --> 00:50:28.639
twenty twenty two, so to be for me to be

789
00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:33.920
praising and mentioning Harry Potter as much as this book does,

790
00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:38.000
it's fucking weird. It's weird, Okay. So that was a

791
00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:41.840
red flag for me. And then this liberal couple they

792
00:50:41.880 --> 00:50:46.840
have all these stringent rules that are over the top

793
00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:53.880
with with what they allow and don't allow for Teddy, right,

794
00:50:54.480 --> 00:50:57.960
And one of those things is that I forgot what

795
00:50:58.159 --> 00:51:04.599
Teddy asks that he asks something like about biological sex

796
00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:09.239
or whatever. And then the mom Carolyn, did I say

797
00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:12.039
her name was Carolyn? I think you're forgetting their names? Yeah, Carolyn.

798
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:16.760
So at one point she tells Mallory like, no science,

799
00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:19.599
only this, and that we bought him this book that

800
00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:24.119
supposedly is like a sex at a book, but in

801
00:51:24.199 --> 00:51:28.880
the book she talks about, oh, it teaches him about

802
00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:33.480
how men have sex with each other, and it has pictures,

803
00:51:33.719 --> 00:51:35.800
And I'm like, what kind of mother would teach a

804
00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:38.679
five year old like you can talk to them. You

805
00:51:38.679 --> 00:51:42.320
can talk to five year olds about their bodies and

806
00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:45.679
or production in a way that is age appropriate and

807
00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:50.559
it would not involve any kind of image of pictures

808
00:51:50.679 --> 00:51:56.519
or description of sex. Right, yeah, but this sounds this

809
00:51:56.800 --> 00:52:01.239
sounds like it's like yes. So I was like, all right,

810
00:52:01.320 --> 00:52:04.639
we probably got there, but that's what I felt. And

811
00:52:04.679 --> 00:52:09.079
then so there's that, and then it turns out that

812
00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:15.000
Carolyn couldn't have children and she stole this fucking kid.

813
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:21.760
Oh oh, and she's a girl. And to hide what

814
00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:24.880
they did, they made her be a boy and so

815
00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:27.239
they made her dress up like a boy, and so

816
00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:32.239
then they wouldn't Can Maori help help her out with

817
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:36.320
anything like having to do like with the bathroom whatever?

818
00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:40.239
And the reason that may Malorie finds out is because

819
00:52:40.679 --> 00:52:43.239
they go swimming and then she's rinsing. Oh you know

820
00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:46.840
what I just remembered. Sorry, I'm like, I can't talk

821
00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:50.800
in a straight manner direct mat Yeah. So anyway, so

822
00:52:50.840 --> 00:52:55.519
I was saying that Carolyn bring mentions this book that

823
00:52:55.559 --> 00:52:58.159
talks about sex between men and blah blah, which, of

824
00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:00.480
course no one in the right mind it doesn't. This

825
00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:03.639
sounds like what they think sex at is at school.

826
00:53:03.760 --> 00:53:08.440
It sounds like propaganda and right wing brain rot. Yes. Yeah,

827
00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:11.840
So the reason that comes up is because the kid

828
00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:16.559
asks Mallory if she has if her body part sticks

829
00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:20.840
out or something like that, and then Mallory, I forgot

830
00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:24.239
what Mallory tells her. But then Carolyn is like, oh, oh,

831
00:53:24.360 --> 00:53:26.880
I would appreciate if you didn't talk about these things.

832
00:53:26.920 --> 00:53:30.239
And we have these books for Teddy so that he

833
00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:33.360
can learn. And then this one talks about never remember

834
00:53:33.400 --> 00:53:35.639
if she talks about it and describes with in it

835
00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:37.920
or if Mallory looks at it, but either way, the book,

836
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:39.920
which is supposed to be for a five year old,

837
00:53:40.239 --> 00:53:44.199
talks about sex between men and then talks about like

838
00:53:44.320 --> 00:53:51.000
trans things and whatever like yeah, which again, no one

839
00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:53.320
in the right mind is teaching five year olds about

840
00:53:53.360 --> 00:53:58.159
self and graphic descriptions or even descriptions of sex, Like

841
00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:01.599
nobody does that, you know, ridiculous, So it is it

842
00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:06.960
feels like it's like dog whistling. Yeah, yeah, so that

843
00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:10.199
was weird. So what that's two weird things so far. Yeah.

844
00:54:10.280 --> 00:54:13.199
And then the landscaper that Mellory meets, I keep saying

845
00:54:13.199 --> 00:54:18.760
her name, weird matory. She was saying Mellory like melody

846
00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:23.280
or something. Yes, I know, I heard you. And then

847
00:54:23.440 --> 00:54:29.880
the landscaper that Malory meets is its Latino, but his

848
00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:33.960
family owns the landscaping business or they're well off, and

849
00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:41.159
she's surprised they're well off, you have money. And there's

850
00:54:41.199 --> 00:54:44.280
this part where they the guy and I forgot his name,

851
00:54:44.320 --> 00:54:46.800
he talked to his dad in Spanish and it's not

852
00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:51.119
even correct. It's I wish I remembered what they told

853
00:54:51.119 --> 00:54:53.079
each other because I heard it and I was like,

854
00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:58.760
excuse me, that's wrong. Nobody talks like that. Oh no.

855
00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:04.000
And so then you know, the paranormal things are happening.

856
00:55:04.199 --> 00:55:08.840
And Mallory of course believes in the paranormal because she's religious,

857
00:55:09.159 --> 00:55:11.599
but some religious people don't whatever, so you know what

858
00:55:11.679 --> 00:55:14.719
I mean. But she does, yeah, and then she tries

859
00:55:14.760 --> 00:55:18.400
to like help. And then this neighbor, exentric neighbor who's

860
00:55:18.440 --> 00:55:23.400
described as eccentric, she's a racist. She goes on a

861
00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:26.079
rant and I'm like, okay, she could have been eccentric,

862
00:55:26.119 --> 00:55:29.119
but she didn't have to be like this. Yeah, she

863
00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:33.119
goes on a rant to Mallory about illegals and this

864
00:55:33.159 --> 00:55:36.079
and that, and then Mallory's like, yeah, she has her

865
00:55:36.440 --> 00:55:40.480
she said in her ways, but she's nice. No, And

866
00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:44.360
then the neighbors are like or the Carolyn and the

867
00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:46.639
husband are like, don't talk to her. I don't know.

868
00:55:46.679 --> 00:55:49.760
Everyone is just like a everyone's weird in this book.

869
00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:53.360
This sounds very weird. Yeah. So then yeah, they they

870
00:55:53.440 --> 00:55:58.760
couldn't have kids themselves, these parents, so they steal liberal parents,

871
00:55:58.920 --> 00:56:03.400
these liberal parents who are teaching, who forced their girl

872
00:56:03.480 --> 00:56:06.679
daughter that they took because they couldn't have kids, so

873
00:56:06.679 --> 00:56:09.360
they forced them to be a boy. Forced this girl

874
00:56:09.400 --> 00:56:11.400
to be a boy. And then the girl is all

875
00:56:11.440 --> 00:56:15.800
confused about I'm sorry, this sounds like a right wingers

876
00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:19.559
a wet dream. Yeah, no truly. So then in the end,

877
00:56:20.440 --> 00:56:24.199
Mallory figures it out because of something that the girl asks,

878
00:56:26.800 --> 00:56:28.679
either she sees her in the shower, because she asks

879
00:56:28.679 --> 00:56:31.119
for help after they swim whatever, So she figures out

880
00:56:31.119 --> 00:56:35.039
the secret. But that's her only hint. It's not enough.

881
00:56:35.480 --> 00:56:39.119
So it's like it doesn't make sense how she figures

882
00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:43.119
this out either, like their whole plan. Yeah, and so yeah,

883
00:56:43.159 --> 00:56:47.519
it turns out that Carolyn took this girl from a

884
00:56:48.679 --> 00:56:53.920
European immigrant who was a bad mom because she was

885
00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:58.159
in the park being an artist drawing and not paying

886
00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:02.400
attention to her daughter. That sounds like another right or

887
00:57:02.480 --> 00:57:08.079
another whistle there about how well more attentive to their children. Yes, yeah,

888
00:57:08.119 --> 00:57:12.079
it was so weird. And and then the husband just

889
00:57:12.119 --> 00:57:16.039
goes along with it with the plan. Yes, because a

890
00:57:16.119 --> 00:57:20.000
liberal man and a liberal couple doesn't have the pants

891
00:57:20.039 --> 00:57:21.920
to say no, that's wrong. We need to give back

892
00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:26.320
this baby, right right? Yeah, And it was it was weird.

893
00:57:26.360 --> 00:57:28.719
And then overall the book has four stars, and I'm like,

894
00:57:28.840 --> 00:57:32.920
four stars, Yeah, that's animate treading. It's kind of shocking.

895
00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:35.159
But I did see some reviews that felt the same

896
00:57:35.159 --> 00:57:36.719
way that I did. I'm trying to pull one up

897
00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:40.760
to see if there's anything that I missed. But it

898
00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:46.599
was super weird and so yeah, I mean, besides all

899
00:57:46.639 --> 00:57:51.360
the weird shit with the liberal couple, I was, I'm

900
00:57:51.400 --> 00:57:54.599
so over that whole. I've read a few other horror

901
00:57:54.639 --> 00:57:58.400
books that have the same trope about infertile woman being

902
00:57:58.440 --> 00:58:03.119
crazy and stealing kids. Oh yeah, it's a thing, and

903
00:58:03.199 --> 00:58:06.119
I feel like I never noticed before and then now

904
00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:09.480
everything I fucking read is that even that book I

905
00:58:09.639 --> 00:58:12.360
liked the what I thought it was called Lone Woman,

906
00:58:14.119 --> 00:58:18.679
that lady wants to steal a kid. And then someone says,

907
00:58:18.679 --> 00:58:25.280
didn't realize it was sci fi. It's not even sci fi. Okay, okay,

908
00:58:25.400 --> 00:58:27.760
let me see this one. Maybe they gave it a

909
00:58:27.800 --> 00:58:31.079
one star, says spoilers. Throughout this book was a three

910
00:58:31.079 --> 00:58:34.480
at best for the first three fourths and goes completely

911
00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:38.559
off the rails from their flat characters that are all

912
00:58:38.599 --> 00:58:42.239
tired cliches. The neighbors an old lady who hates immigrants.

913
00:58:42.679 --> 00:58:45.480
The protagonist is a Christian with a troubled history and

914
00:58:45.480 --> 00:58:49.000
the heart of gold. The parents are crazy liberal atheists

915
00:58:49.039 --> 00:58:51.719
who scoff at religion and use what the author characterizes

916
00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:55.400
as the evils of transgender ideology to hide their crimes

917
00:58:55.400 --> 00:58:57.000
at the expense of a poor And it's a little

918
00:58:57.000 --> 00:58:59.199
girl who just wants to wear purple or rights right.

919
00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:02.599
They don't let her win certain things, and she like,

920
00:59:02.679 --> 00:59:06.039
I don't know that's a thing in the book. After

921
00:59:06.039 --> 00:59:08.960
her kidnappers forced her to live as a boy. And

922
00:59:09.079 --> 00:59:11.320
one of the things that gets them caught is because

923
00:59:11.360 --> 00:59:14.719
the school is forcing them that's right to provide basic

924
00:59:14.840 --> 00:59:19.000
vaccination history, which is a standard at any school. So

925
00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:24.159
now it's also anti vax Oh god. The twist initially

926
00:59:24.239 --> 00:59:27.559
reads as a trans reads as trans identity as a

927
00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:30.519
plot device, which is already annoyed, but then it turns

928
00:59:30.559 --> 00:59:33.159
out to not even be trans identity. It's a plot

929
00:59:33.239 --> 00:59:36.320
contrived by the evil atheist liberals whose lack of faith

930
00:59:36.719 --> 00:59:39.280
caused them to have no morals at all, solving their

931
00:59:39.320 --> 00:59:44.119
infertility problems with murder, kidnapping, and a Fox News pundits

932
00:59:44.199 --> 00:59:46.840
idea slash worst nightmare of a couple of a god,

933
00:59:47.519 --> 00:59:50.000
of a couple of godless atheists forcing a child to

934
00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:55.920
be trans. I read that Regulac. The author was asked

935
00:59:55.960 --> 00:59:58.599
if he hates trans people, and he said he supports

936
00:59:58.639 --> 01:00:02.000
the transmitter community. But what else was he supposed to say?

937
01:00:02.079 --> 01:00:05.440
He's not JK. Rowling, No matter how many positive mentions

938
01:00:05.440 --> 01:00:12.360
of Harry Potter he sneaks into this book, Oh my god, yes, exactly.

939
01:00:12.400 --> 01:00:15.679
That's how he felt. It was so fucking weird. I'm like,

940
01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:21.519
why are you even talking about Harry Potter so much? Right? Like,

941
01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:25.280
I know it's big in a lot of millennials childhoods

942
01:00:25.320 --> 01:00:28.800
but you'll never see me, you know, praising JK Rowling

943
01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:31.840
because it's not only even Harry Potter. She like directly

944
01:00:31.840 --> 01:00:34.360
mentions J. K Rowling a couple times. I don't know

945
01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:35.719
if it's a couple of times or what, but I

946
01:00:35.719 --> 01:00:38.960
don't know. It's just weird, like in this day and age. Okay,

947
01:00:39.039 --> 01:00:41.760
I think that's pretty much like the main thing. There's

948
01:00:41.760 --> 01:00:45.559
another one that says right wing propaganda and unearned twist

949
01:00:47.480 --> 01:00:51.199
conservative dog whistles on specific topics such as liberal parents

950
01:00:51.239 --> 01:00:55.159
and atheism versus religion. I can't in good faith recommend

951
01:00:55.360 --> 01:00:57.760
the book because I ultimately feel some of these messages

952
01:00:57.760 --> 01:01:01.239
are quite harmful to put out in the world. Oh

953
01:01:01.400 --> 01:01:03.280
see that. So it says, for a book released in

954
01:01:03.320 --> 01:01:05.480
twenty twenty two, if you referred to Harry Potter, I'm

955
01:01:05.519 --> 01:01:07.920
going to give you a pass initially, but when you

956
01:01:08.039 --> 01:01:11.000
very directly positively highlight how good of a writer jk

957
01:01:11.159 --> 01:01:14.920
Rowling is, alongside how this book discussed the story issues,

958
01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:21.760
the trends issues, you know what you're doing. So yeah, yeah, yeah, wow,

959
01:01:21.920 --> 01:01:29.760
I can't believe I hadn't talked about that. Well, I

960
01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:32.599
feel like you gave enough recommendation. Sorry, Yeah, I went

961
01:01:32.639 --> 01:01:40.039
on because I have not watched anything except Er. Still. Yes,

962
01:01:40.159 --> 01:01:42.599
I've been watching Er in my free time and then

963
01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:48.440
listening to Jesus and John Wayne. I'm almost done with it.

964
01:01:48.719 --> 01:01:50.400
I was like, why did I think you? I keep

965
01:01:50.440 --> 01:01:55.239
stopping to finish other books, but I haven't been reading

966
01:01:55.239 --> 01:01:59.639
horror books. I read a fantasy series which I honestly

967
01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:02.519
don't know how I feel about, by N. K. Jefferson.

968
01:02:02.599 --> 01:02:05.480
I loved her Broken Earth series, but this is her

969
01:02:05.599 --> 01:02:08.400
first series, and I already forgot what it was called.

970
01:02:08.639 --> 01:02:13.000
There's a lot of there's a lot of incest, and

971
01:02:13.079 --> 01:02:16.000
the first book it starts with like what the protagonist

972
01:02:16.039 --> 01:02:18.920
who ends up going to like the sky world where

973
01:02:18.960 --> 01:02:23.760
the gods are enslaved by this family that's also like

974
01:02:23.800 --> 01:02:26.880
a race slash family, and like the world. Oh, the

975
01:02:26.920 --> 01:02:30.440
one hundred Thousand Kingdoms is the book? Oh right? And

976
01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:33.280
so like the first book is about her, and then

977
01:02:33.320 --> 01:02:36.760
suddenly it like, but that book ends right, and then

978
01:02:36.800 --> 01:02:38.960
we go to the second book, and then suddenly it's

979
01:02:38.960 --> 01:02:44.000
about someone else. But it's like, there's no easy transition

980
01:02:44.159 --> 01:02:45.920
from the first book to the second book. It just

981
01:02:45.920 --> 01:02:48.280
doesn't like you're reading it. I'm like, am I is

982
01:02:48.320 --> 01:02:50.639
this in the right order, because it's suddenly it feels

983
01:02:50.679 --> 01:02:53.800
like something's missing between the two because it's about someone else,

984
01:02:53.960 --> 01:02:56.559
and there's a certain amount of years that passed from

985
01:02:56.559 --> 01:02:59.639
the first to the second, you like forgot who they were. No,

986
01:02:59.719 --> 01:03:02.800
these are complete new people. And then it's not until

987
01:03:02.840 --> 01:03:07.199
like the six chapters so that the main person from

988
01:03:07.239 --> 01:03:10.679
the first book pops up. Oh, and I'm like, what

989
01:03:10.679 --> 01:03:13.079
the fuck? Who the fuck is this person? Like what

990
01:03:13.239 --> 01:03:16.960
is happening? Oh? And yeah, so it was okay, but

991
01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:19.639
you can tell it was like her first series. I

992
01:03:19.679 --> 01:03:23.599
think it's very evident because of the Broken Earth series

993
01:03:23.679 --> 01:03:26.039
that shit is top notch, like sci fi. That's like

994
01:03:26.079 --> 01:03:28.679
a really good sci fi fantasy book series, Like it's

995
01:03:28.679 --> 01:03:30.880
like three books. But yeah, this one, I don't know.

996
01:03:30.960 --> 01:03:33.599
So I read that, and then I also read the

997
01:03:33.639 --> 01:03:38.280
one you're reading two something Migrant but no, the undocumented,

998
01:03:39.440 --> 01:03:42.239
the documented? Is that what it's called the undocumented? I

999
01:03:42.239 --> 01:03:44.280
could easily check. I don't know, why did you finish it?

1000
01:03:44.920 --> 01:03:48.800
I'm almost done with it? The undocumented Americans? Yeah, so

1001
01:03:48.960 --> 01:03:52.559
I'm also reading that. That is so good. It's so

1002
01:03:53.480 --> 01:03:56.119
you're five times already and I think you have like

1003
01:03:56.119 --> 01:04:01.800
an hour left. Yeah, same, same. So that's that's what

1004
01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:04.320
I've been reading outside of trying to catch up on

1005
01:04:04.400 --> 01:04:06.559
my work because yeah, I have a vacation coming up

1006
01:04:07.039 --> 01:04:11.639
and then another one after that. So yeah, anyway, I

1007
01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:14.199
don't have any speaking reforminations for the reasoning because all

1008
01:04:14.239 --> 01:04:17.400
I've been doing is reading other things. I'm watching er.

1009
01:04:17.719 --> 01:04:19.480
I've also been reading a lot of romance and then

1010
01:04:19.519 --> 01:04:21.000
I'm like a little over right now because I'm like,

1011
01:04:21.000 --> 01:04:25.079
I need, I need I get a little happy endings. Yeah,

1012
01:04:25.239 --> 01:04:28.760
I want to be enraged. I want to Yeah, I

1013
01:04:28.880 --> 01:04:33.159
want I want to feel angry at when I'm reading

1014
01:04:34.960 --> 01:04:37.280
really quick. I was talking with my coworker about this

1015
01:04:37.320 --> 01:04:43.559
one book we both read, and in it, the girl

1016
01:04:43.599 --> 01:04:49.800
main character has She thinks she has als because her mom,

1017
01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:52.280
her sister, and an aunt all had it and it

1018
01:04:52.360 --> 01:04:54.920
runs in their family and they all died from it,

1019
01:04:55.320 --> 01:04:58.239
and she starts feeling symptoms, so she thinks she has it,

1020
01:04:58.599 --> 01:05:02.000
but then she doesn't want to go get tested because

1021
01:05:02.039 --> 01:05:05.280
there's like a roll out kind of diagnosis, so she'd

1022
01:05:05.280 --> 01:05:07.719
have to like basically live in the hospital and in

1023
01:05:07.800 --> 01:05:11.199
the doctor's office, And so she gets a diagnosis, and

1024
01:05:11.239 --> 01:05:13.920
if she's diagnosed, she there's no cure for it, so

1025
01:05:13.960 --> 01:05:16.840
she doesn't She just doesn't want to know, and she

1026
01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:20.280
starts having symptoms, but that turns out she doesn't have it.

1027
01:05:20.719 --> 01:05:23.800
But the whole conflict between the couple is this disease.

1028
01:05:24.679 --> 01:05:27.360
And they break up because the guy's like, no, you

1029
01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:29.079
need to fight this, you need to do this and this,

1030
01:05:29.119 --> 01:05:30.519
and she's like, no, I want to live life on

1031
01:05:30.559 --> 01:05:33.039
my terms and blah blah, and then they break up,

1032
01:05:33.039 --> 01:05:35.440
which is stupid also because I'm like, just accept how

1033
01:05:35.440 --> 01:05:38.519
she wants. It's her disease that she might or might

1034
01:05:38.559 --> 01:05:41.079
not even have, but then after all the drama, she

1035
01:05:41.079 --> 01:05:46.440
doesn't even have it, and it was just like boo yeah,

1036
01:05:46.480 --> 01:05:49.400
and they end up together happily ever after. And I'm like, Okay,

1037
01:05:49.480 --> 01:05:52.320
I felt kind of like I was emotionally geary enough

1038
01:05:52.320 --> 01:05:56.159
for her to die. And I'm not saying she should

1039
01:05:56.199 --> 01:05:59.239
have died, but if it wasn't a romance book, I

1040
01:05:59.280 --> 01:06:01.440
am she would have and I would have been fine

1041
01:06:01.599 --> 01:06:03.880
with that, you know, I was. I was growing up

1042
01:06:03.920 --> 01:06:06.159
for that. And then you were rip like a band

1043
01:06:06.239 --> 01:06:09.960
switch like, oh she lived happily ever after? The phone?

1044
01:06:10.360 --> 01:06:15.199
What is this die? We both said that, and we're

1045
01:06:15.239 --> 01:06:19.920
like are we horrible? It's a little bit and so yeah,

1046
01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:22.800
wow wow, Okay, well this brings us to the end

1047
01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:26.360
of the episode that was a long speaker recommendation says

1048
01:06:26.800 --> 01:06:29.880
this was supposed to be sure. I so sorry. This

1049
01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:35.639
was all Carmon's fault. But yeah, if I don't know, actually,

1050
01:06:36.079 --> 01:06:40.000
don't drink hockckoa. It's okay if you man, if you

1051
01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:44.880
don't want me, someone is a man. Yeah, and yeah.

1052
01:06:44.920 --> 01:06:47.800
Other than that, I don't let us know if you're

1053
01:06:47.800 --> 01:06:51.079
going to lalif we might see you at lalif we

1054
01:06:51.199 --> 01:06:53.639
will see you there. Yeah, that's at the end of

1055
01:06:53.719 --> 01:06:57.400
being We'll be there. Man. If only we knew ahead

1056
01:06:57.400 --> 01:06:59.280
of time, then we could have organized a little meet up.

1057
01:06:59.320 --> 01:07:03.000
We never know. We never know ahead of time. Yeah.

1058
01:07:03.360 --> 01:07:06.039
So yeah, Unfortunately, all right, stay spooky, We'll catch a

1059
01:07:06.079 --> 01:07:09.760
ruin next time. Bye. My As Book Tells is hosted

1060
01:07:09.800 --> 01:07:13.239
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1061
01:07:13.239 --> 01:07:16.320
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