Sept. 26, 2025

The General Cemetery of Guatemala & Guadalupe Martinez de Bejarano, aka La Mujer Verdugo

The General Cemetery of Guatemala & Guadalupe Martinez de Bejarano, aka La Mujer Verdugo
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The Guatemala City General Cemetery is the biggest cemetery in Central America, and also, super haunted, people hear tiny footsteps, the laughter of children, have seen the ghost of a woman and a girl, who may be the girl in black. In this episode, Carmen shares hauntings from the general cemetery of Guatemala and Cristina shares the case of Mexico's first woman serial killer,  Guadalupe Martinez de Bejarano. First, they read a a listener story and end with spooky recs.

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Hello, Ala, This is Christina and Carmen and this is

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a Spooky Tells, a podcast for all things as spooky,

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things like that, and that's what we're doing today. I

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know last episode it was kind of a little bit

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of a deviation from that. Oh wait, that was the

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last last episode. So I was like, I don't even

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remember what we did last episode. Wow, sorry, I forgot

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about the book club episode. Oh we did a book

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club episode. I was referring to Italian story. Oh yeah,

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that was so was before the book club. Yes, yes,

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so yeah, we've got a listener story. We have a

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paranormal topic and then my true crime topic. So we're good.

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the stories, and we love receiving them. Okay, so listener story. Yes,

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Chefi High School in Ontario, California is hunted. At least

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there's a lot of stories. I was a Schefy High

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School student, class of two thousand and nine. I was

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a theater kid from two thousand and five to two

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thousand and seven, and I can can affirm seeing and

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hearing things down in the basement of the theater. One

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time I went down to get a prop and then

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the other side of the room felt like something From

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the other side of the room, it felt like something

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was watching me. But then I began to hear shuffling

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and movement and I ran upstairs. Yeah, so a bell

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tower story with a dead girl, that one is true

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as well. So one night, around two am, I was

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leaving a friend's house and I saw her at the tower,

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just standing there looking. As I passed the school, I

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watched her turn and watched me. I ran and looked back,

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and then she was gone. Scary, It is scary. Yeah,

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I love a haunted school story, though I don't want

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to attend. Like, I'm so glad. I had never attended

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a haunted school as far as we know, Like, we

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didn't have any experiences at school, you know, I always

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swore that Laura's uerta, but probably wasn't. But no, it

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was just like stories we told as kids, but nobody

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had like a verifiable experience. But what was our What

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was that building across the church, Yeah, but it looked

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like there was like rooms up there, oh like church storage. No,

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but they looked like rooms. There was like an attic

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above that same building. I remember everyone used to say

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a lady would look through the window through the windows,

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but I never saw any either. What I'm saying, yeah, yeah, so,

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but I love. I love a hunted school story. I

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live he hearing other people's stories. Yeah, yeah, I love

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hearing other people's hunted school stories. All right, Well, thanks

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so much for that story and let's uh do the

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paranormal topic. Okay, So this is about the Cementioala. The

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Guatemala City General Cemetery is the biggest cemetery in Central

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America and it's also super haunted. Oh. It is located

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in Las Natres and Guatemala City. It's full of elegant

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mausoleums and at first was made for the rich elite

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of the city as all cemeteries. Cemeteries have blin which

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we love and we do love it. Love is my

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favorite cemetery. After that, it's should we have favorite cemeteries? Well,

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I have one and I'm ready to turn it onto

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the list, right, I need to start making a list. Yeah. Yeah.

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It was built in eighteen eighty during the presidency of

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Henerale Justos. Is this a presidency or is this a dictator?

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I am not sure. I haven't looked into this time

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period of Guatemala. Okay, okay, I'm just asking. Yeah. The

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artistic vision was inspired from movements like Neo Classicism, Romanticism,

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and Art Neveau New Art fancy, fancy and very European.

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It was originally built with perfect symmetry, perfectly aligned streets

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and luxurious tombs. Wow, that sounds like a commercial for

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the cemetery. Wow, put me in one of those. Put

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me in one of those luxurious mausoleums. Give me the

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most curious one you have. That's my trans Atlantic accent.

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Did you like? Yeah? I loved it. I loved it.

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Thank you. So. Yeah. It was one of the first

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public buildings to have electric lights. And how sad the

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dead people get the electro lights first. Yeah. Yeah, the

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rich dead people. Yeah, I was gonna say rich dead people.

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It also happened to contain eight Mayan hills within it.

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These hills were part of Gaminali Huu, which means the

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Hill of the Dead. This is a pre Columbian Mayan

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site where what the Mala city is today and has

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been described as one of the greatest archaeological sites in

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the New World. These hills surrounding old fear that some

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belief was used to play ceremonial ball. But it's more

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narrow and longer compared to other fields, so it's not

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for sure, okay, But what is for sure these lands

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contain history and they were destroyed for this rich people cemetery.

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Is that where we're going? Yeah? At first, the plan

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was to keep these hills intact and build the most

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exclusive tombs within the eight hills, but over time the

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hills were modified and destroyed. Sounds about right. The first

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hole was used to build a tomb of former President

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Justo Rufino, and the Mayan Hill needed to be empty

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to build this. So that was the history now the hauntings. Yes,

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Cecilio del Pinalo works at the cemetery and one day

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a woman walked up to him saying, Micho masnat son,

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can you do me in the favor of decorating. She

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had brought her own flowers in and was asking him

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to place them on a tombstone for her, and he

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agreed because it was part of its job. And so

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he took the flowers and followed the women to a

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grave and she stopped in front of it and pointed

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for him to place the flowers, and so he did.

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And this wasn't one of the tombstones that are on

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the ground. It was one of the ones that are

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stacked like on a wall of tombs. I'm sure everyone

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has seen those. Yeah, I feel like that's the thing

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in Latin America. I don't know about I think they

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do it here too, Okay, I think so okay, yeah,

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maybe I'm not sure, but I think so mm hmm.

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So yeah, it's one of those stacked ones. Yeah, like

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a wall, yeah, a wall of tombs. And the one

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she pointed out was up high. She was pointed the

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second most highest one, and there were also two bouquets.

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So after he placed the first one, he climbed down

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and when he turned around, the woman was nowhere to

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be seen and her bouquet was on the ground. So

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he was like what and he picked up Okay, he

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picked up the second bouquet, facing the tubestone, confused, and

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that's when it took a moment to look at the

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picture on the grave and it was the very same

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woman that had asked him to place the flowers on

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the grave. No oh, no moment. But you know what,

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get your own flowers, girl, you put them up next time.

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Finally Cyrus said I can buy Yes. I was like,

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what did she say? And even in death you can

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buy yourself flowers. Don't let that stock you. She bought them,

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you know, she just didn't put them up herself. That's true. Yeah.

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So our second story from the cemetery Donia Anita, whose

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husband passed away a few years ago. Is that the

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cemetery at least once a week, and she goes to

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visit him, puts fresh flowers on his grave, make sure

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it's clean, you know, the usual. Yeah. Well, during one

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of these normal weekly visits, as she was cleaning her

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husband's plum, she heard singing. Just like the last story,

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her husband's grave is one of those wall ones. So

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this line wall, this wall of tombs was kind of

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like a hallway, and so she was at one end

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and she heard the singing on the other end of

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the row of the hall. But it was early in

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the day and there was no madiachi or anything like that.

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It was just like a capella singing that she heard.

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So she walked over there just to see and there

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was nothing there. So she walked all the way back

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down to her husband's grave and continued cleaning, and then

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she heard the singing again. She was like, what the fuck,

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And so she walked back and turned the corner, thinking, Okay,

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maybe they're on the other side and I just didn't

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see them before. But when she looked, there was no

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one there. So she walked back again and this time

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ran into a friend. When I was alive. I hope, oh,

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I hope. So, oh yeah it was. And at this

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point she just thought it was, you know, just some

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little hooligan, some low kid, some youth ye sing with her.

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But again, she didn't see anyone around where the singing

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was at. And as she was leaving into the cemetery,

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she told her friend what happened, and this friend told her, no, Donia,

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that was not anyone alive. It's just the spirits doing

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what they didn't get to do while they were living,

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singeing acapella together in the cemetery. Okay, it's kind of cute.

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Uh yeah, yeah, And Donia Alita also thought it was cute.

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She wasn't scared or anything, okay. And another woman was

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with her friend when they saw a girl in a

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pink dress wandering by herself, and they thought she was

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lost and wanted to get her back to her parents,

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so they walked around until they spotted her again, so

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she ran past them, and then they're like, okay, well,

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let's try to catch up to her, and they ran

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after her, and then they watched this girl run straight

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into a mausoleum and vanish. Oh no, yeah. And so

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speaking of that, little girl. People do hear the laughter

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of children at the cemetery, and also the sound of

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kids running like little footsteps. And when they look, there's

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no kids around, of course not why were they? Why

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would they be there? But there is one legend that

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has to do with the girl. Oh. The legend has

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a poem tied to it, and it goes like this,

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can sequento and oh I know? And now in English,

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I want under the shadow of a wing to tell this,

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tell in bloom the girl from Gatemala, she who died

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of love. That sounds better in Spanish. I was gonna say,

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it's a little more like oh in Spanish, yeah it is, yeah,

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can I ask you? Yeah, right here in the heart

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and an English and English I was just like, okay,

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then hit the same and now I'm just kidding. And

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so she died of love? Okay, snorted Sorry. And this

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poem was written by the poet Jose Marti, and it's

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the poem about a haunting story of a young woman

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who dies of unrequited love. It said that this was

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written about Maria Garcia is the daughter of General Miguels,

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and she died at eighteen. They say that Jose Marti

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wrote it about her in her honor, and she's buried

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in the cemetery, and some believe she remains there haunting

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it for eternity. Some tir her to the legend of

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La Nina the Negro, a separate legend. Uh huh. According

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to legend, during Semana Santa Holy week always Semana Santa,

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that's a time of haunting. It really is. A mysterious,

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frail and delicate young woman dressed in all black appears

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in the church of San Sebastan, located in Centrol, the

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center of Guatemala City. And she appears there looking like

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she's in pain, deep in thought. I'm picturing like a

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Victorian child, Yeah, like a sickly ye, dark circles, gaunt. Yeah.

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And most people just see her, and that's that. They

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move on with their lives, not even realizing what they

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just saw. Those unfortunate few that she chooses to approach

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have a different story. Oh. She walks up to them

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and offers a gold chain. Those that take the gold

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chain will find that there's a piece of paper inside

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of the necklace, and in that paper there's an address

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to wear to the general cemetery. Weird I don't like it.

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I don't like it, okay. And by the time that

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the person opens a necklace and reads the address, the

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girl in the black is nowhere to be seen. And

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if that's not already creepy, it said that if you

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happen to take the necklace and read the address, you

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will lose your mind. It's not a proper Latin American legend.

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If someone's not losing their mind, if your mind is

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attacked by the end, it's not a proper story. No.

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There's also another grave known as Latumba. According to legend,

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Abruca is buried there. This area of the cemetery is

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surrounded by these tall, circular stones, and in the middle

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there's a tree, always a tree. If there's not a

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tree surrounding that grave, it's not a proper legend. Sorry,

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I'm literally just thinking about La Little Bambido, the vampire

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tree in that's what I think. Like that too. Yes,

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this tree grew around a cross, and now the cross

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is not even visible, just the tree. Then right in

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front of the tree is this metal look door that

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lifts up underneath. That is where the alleged Brucha is located.

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Oh and this metal door, thing is locked and no

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one really knows the last time it opened. You know

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what this reminds me of two? Is that book Thirsty

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or is it thirst Oh thirst the vampire one where

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it's that tomb that no one opens and then the

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key is passed down. Yeah, and it's a vampire. Mhm.

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It also seems like no one knows the name of

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the person that is buried there, just like the book.

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Oh my god, this is crazy, but the image of

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it is creepy, and it's not surprising that even if

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there is just some normal person buried there, that legend

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of a girl because it's creepy looking. Yeah, and some

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people believe her apparition is seen during the night, but

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others think it's another woman ghost. So just some pictures ghost, Yeah,

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just any old ghost not yeah, just your average woman ghosts,

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you know. Oh yeah that's great. Yeah, yeah, that's creepy. Yeah,

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we'll post these pictures, you'll see them. And this leads

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us to David's story, Okay, da Vid. So David was

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unemployed and desperately trying to find a job, so when

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a friend of his told him about a security position

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at the General Cemetery, he knew that he's going to

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be pickying. He was like, I guess I am unemployed. Yeah,

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so he went down there to that's a man, right now.

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Real men don't want to work at graves anymore cemeteries,

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I mean. Yeah, So he went down there to ask

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about the job on her Friday, and by the time

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he left, he had a start date, which is not

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a good sign. No, that's a they're too eager to

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hire you run walk away led a flag. So yeah,

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he had a start date that following Monday, three days

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and so yeah, that was quick, but you know he

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needed a job. Yeah, And he showed up on Monday

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afternoon and the other security guard let him know that

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around eight people would start leaving and then at nine

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the entrance would be officially locked. So his job was

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just to do rounds, make sure no teenagers were sneaking in,

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things like that, and it sounded simple enough. By the

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time it was nine, no one was left and he

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walked around in silence. As he walked, he started remembering

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all the stories his Abulita would tell him, stories about

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brucas doing this and ghosts. He started to get nervous,

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especially as the wind picked up, and he could hear

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the leaves of rustle more and more. But the night

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went by and aside from psyching himself out, it was uneventful. Okay,

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that's good for that being. But the next night, oh no,

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he went back and kick, going back, you know, to work,

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I'll find a normal okay, but oh, on his seventh shift,

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things changed. He walked around doing his rounds when he

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noticed an older lady. He thought someone accidentally left her

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after some funeral or something, so he walked up to

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her and told her, ma'am, yeah, gotta go. You got

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to go, mamy, I got to go. You got to go.

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U No, But he said, this area is prohibited at

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this hour. Please leave. I don't want to see you.

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When I'm done with my rounds, I don't want to

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see you anymore. And so he continued to walk and

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he was finishing his lap and coming back when the

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old bitch was still learn no why, so he was

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like the fuck and he stumped towards are annoyed and

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he's like, ma'am, I told you to leave, And so

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the woman looked up at him and told him, how

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am I supposed to leave? This is my new home? No,

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I want to share my pants, like for real, and

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he didn't remember what happened after that. He probably passed

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out and not oh he did so he passed out,

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didn't know what happened after that, and that's why his

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partner and the other security guard found him around three

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in the morning and he asked David what happened? Why

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didn't he come back from his rounds? And so David

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told his coworker what he saw and the last thing

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he remembered, and his partner was like, oh, yeah, a

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lot of people have described seen a woman like the

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wing he described and that we just like, bye, bitch.

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He put his resignation that same night and he never

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looked back. Damn. And we don't blame that. We for that.

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They could have at least warned him. No, they purposely

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so that he went quit before. Hey, we got seven

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shifts out of him. We got seven out of this one.

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This one stayed all week. No, no, wow, that's that's horrifying.

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How am I supposed to leave? This is my wall?

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Said wol I wonder him and no, he bitch, I

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was trying to spin off my water. Wow, wow, I

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gotta recover. That was hilarious. Okay, for me. All right,

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let's take a little and break here and then we'll

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come back with my help of the episode. And we're

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back with my true crime case. And this one was

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requested by a listener. She left the comment I think

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it was on Instagram. She was like, have you heard

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of this? And I was like no. She's like, oh,

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I've been curious about it, and I was like, well,

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let me add it to the topic list. OK. So

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that's how that happened. Yeah, I'm telling you and our

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listeners about Buela Lupe Martinez de Bejarano aka La moucher verdugo.

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That means the executioner, ew what aka Latin mible Becherano,

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the fearsome Becherano. Oh my god. Yeah. She was one

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of the first serial killers in Mexican history, notably the

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first the first known woman serial killer. Wow, a trailblazer,

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if you will. Yeah, making room for like, I don't know,

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Las pociancis. That's terrible. Don't like that. And normally I don't.

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I make a case not to purposely cover serial killers.

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I try to find like things about the victims first,

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but this was so long ago that that's just not possible.

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With this case because she was active during the Portfitiato. Oh.

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Also worth noting that this time period also gave us

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the other people considered the first serial killers in the

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history of Mexico, Filippe Espinosa, Francisco Guerrero Perez and Rodolfo

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Fierro and then Buela Lupequier who's the first women troll blazing,

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you know, let women kill basically, And it's no coincidence

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to me that they were all active during the Portfitiato,

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the dictatorship of Porfito Dias, because violence was rampant. Yeah.

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So just a little, a little tiny refresher on this

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time period context, Yeah, because we love contexts. So Mexico

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went its independence from Spain on September twenty seventh, eighteen

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twenty one, and though it's independence had been gained socially

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and politically, not much change for the population. Power remained

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at the hands of the white elite, and the Plan

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of Iwana set Mexico as an independent country that would

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be a limited monarchy, and the Roman Catholic Church was

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set as the official state church, and upper class status

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was given to the Spanish and then the Mestizo populations.

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Despite the fact that at the time indigenous and our

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freaking descent populations were the majority. Political turmoil and warrants followed,

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with the presidency changing many times. Spain attempted to retake

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Mexico in eighteen twenty nine, coups occurred in eighteen twenty

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eight and eighteen thirty three, the Mexican Revolution in eighteen

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thirty five that ended in eighteen thirty six, then the

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Mexican American War from eighteen forty six to eighteen forty eight.

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Then there was geiap guerrilla warfare that led to the

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ex exile of the of Santa Ana and then rebel

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leader Juan Alvarez rose to power at eighteen fifty seven,

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and they did want to reduce the wealth and power

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of the Catholic Church, and then they also wanted to

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guarantee freedom of speech and like universal male suffrage because

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at the time certain populations didn't have that, you know,

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like yeah, indigenous populations, the black populations, because yes, they

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again were around and consider conservative groups while they opposed

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this new reform, which led to the War of Reform

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which lasted from eighteen fifty seven to eighteen sixty one.

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And so this time period led. There was two separate

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governments in Mexico. At this time, there was the conservative

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government in sud that Mexico and then the liberal government

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in Veracruz. And the liberal side won and this is

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when Benito Benitojuares became president. And then Mexico was invaded

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by friends in eighteen sixty two. I mean a lot

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lted tell this, but they were basically claiming that the

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Juarez government owed them money, and really they also wanted

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to install a ruler that they could control. You've heard

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of Maximilian, Yes, this is this time period. This is

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what during this time period was the Battle of Puebla,

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which is Cinco le maon okay, okay, okay, Yes, when

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we defeated the French in that one singular battle, but

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the overall war. The French won and established their government

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in Mexico City, and then the actual Mexican government fled.

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I want to say Africa where they fled to. But

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they fled and they had a few allies. Nobody recognized

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their French really as the government even though they had won.

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Mexico took back the country from the French in eighteen

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sixty seven and then Manittoajuanas died of a heart attack

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in eighteen seventy two, and then there was like again,

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more turmoil up until eighteen seventy seven. There was another

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revolt against Sevastian lro Tejada, who was Beninitojuaras's successor, and

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in eighteen seventy seven is when Porfirio Diaz took control

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of the country. And during the Porfiliato, Mexico City was growing,

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becoming wealthy, but the wealth was at the hands of

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the elite. Most people lived in poverty. He really wanted

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to Americanize Mexico. He gave so much money and control

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to American businesses and this was a difficult era. Porfiodias

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Mexico with an iron fist. Uh. There was repression, arrest,

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literal concentration camps for indigenous people in the Yucatan region

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of the country. He was especially cruel towards the Yaqui

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indigenous people who were met with state violence. And yeah,

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he was essentially a dictator up until the Mexican Revolution

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in nineteen ten, and there were a few breaks between

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his times as president, but overall, like when you put

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his sign together, he ruled for thirty years from eighteen

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seventy six up until the Mexican Revolution. And so yeah,

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that's the context of where these first serial killers arose

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in Mexico. Wow, questions none at this time. Okay, So

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now back to La terrible Megrano. Oh sorry, oh latmible Mekrano. Right.

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What a name whose span of crimes go from eighties

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seventy seven to eighteen ninety two and so not much

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is known about her private life early or private life,

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only that she was born in eighteen forty three and

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married to a commander named Macario Becherano, and they had

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one child together. His name was Aurelio Bergerano Martinez, and

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the family was either upper class or upper middle class.

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They lived on Casa Numero Uno e Meglio de la

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Cayed de Jesius, one point five Glasson Street, near where

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El Colegio de San Ignacio de Loyola Vicaynas is today

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in the historic center of Mexico City. Her first victim

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and trigger warning from here on out, this is fucking terrible,

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all of this that she did. Oh my god. Her

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first victim was her own son, Aurelio. She regularly beat him,

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but it wasn't until January fourteenth, eighteen seventy six, when

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he was eleven years old, that one of the neighbors

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learned the extent of this abuse. Emiliodias, the neighbor, was

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looking out of his win picking out and he saw

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a boy walking outside. This boy was severely injured, was

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swelling and bruising all over his body, which was more

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easier to see, like the bruises and the swelling and

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all that, because the boy was naked. As Emilio got closer,

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he realized it was Aurelio, his neighbor, and he could

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00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:23.839
see that had been lashed, parts of his skin ripped

445
00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:29.039
open from the lashings. Apparently his mom, Guadalupe, regularly did

446
00:28:29.119 --> 00:28:32.039
this to him, locking him in a large wooden box

447
00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:36.519
until he stopped screaming after the lashings. But this time

448
00:28:36.519 --> 00:28:42.240
he escaped. Oh my god. Yeah, And Emilio took Aurelio

449
00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:45.160
to his house, propped him in a blanket, and he

450
00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:48.759
thought that Guadalupe would come get him, but when she didn't,

451
00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:52.000
in a couple like maybe a few hours passed and

452
00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:56.759
he returned Aurelio to his house along with the letter,

453
00:28:57.759 --> 00:29:01.119
and in that letter he pleaded with Guallalupe not to

454
00:29:01.119 --> 00:29:03.720
put into Aurelio for not coming back home right away.

455
00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:06.400
He didn't want to send him back in the state

456
00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:10.079
that he was in and to just like stop being

457
00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:12.400
so hard on him. But he didn't like go to

458
00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:15.799
the police right away or anything. But you know, maybe

459
00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:17.400
he was scared of her too. I don't I don't

460
00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:20.400
know what led him to not do anything more. Did

461
00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:23.640
the police even do anything about this back then, right,

462
00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:25.880
is what I'm wondering too. So maybe you know, he

463
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:28.640
had his reasons not to say anything else other than

464
00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:31.720
write that letter to her. I mean, it's sad, It

465
00:29:31.799 --> 00:29:35.640
is so sad. In response to that letter, Guadalupe told

466
00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:40.119
Emilio that Aurelio deserved this for being a poor student

467
00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:44.799
and a bad son, and that she knew Emilio intended

468
00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:49.039
to report her to the authorities for her constant punishment

469
00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:54.680
to Aurelio. And then she said, but that Aurelio quote

470
00:29:55.279 --> 00:29:58.680
manifests very clearly his little to no love for me

471
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:02.519
for work or or for study. That he deserved this

472
00:30:02.599 --> 00:30:05.200
because he was he didn't work or study, or he

473
00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:08.559
was a bad son. Oh my god. And apparently it

474
00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:11.599
took a million years to report her. By the time

475
00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:15.759
he reported her, someone else had also reported her for

476
00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:21.920
the murder of Casimira Juadis. So then Audelio was still

477
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:25.240
alive at this point. Yeah, Audelio was alive the whole time.

478
00:30:25.400 --> 00:30:27.920
Just he was the first person who faced her abuse.

479
00:30:28.119 --> 00:30:30.119
So I thought you were saying he was the first victim,

480
00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:34.559
like being killed, no victim, but in beatings. Wow, I

481
00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:36.960
mean that's terrible. But of course someone who's willing to

482
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:39.519
kill most of the time, no, always does it to

483
00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:42.839
someone else first, right, Like, yeah, there's like a ramping

484
00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:45.039
up of the violence. Right. Well, I was gonna say

485
00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:48.000
they most of the time abuse their children. Oh yeah,

486
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:51.119
and even when they don't physically abuse them, they are

487
00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:55.400
like controlling and have anger impulses things like that. Yeah,

488
00:30:55.440 --> 00:31:01.119
there's always something something there and so yeah, and maybe

489
00:31:01.119 --> 00:31:04.160
other the neighbors didn't say anything about this until she

490
00:31:04.279 --> 00:31:07.599
was also being arrested now for the murder of another

491
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:11.720
kid years later. But you said her crimes went on

492
00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:16.480
for past this, right, Oh well, I said eighteen seventy

493
00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:21.720
seven and her beating her son that it was found

494
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:24.680
out it was what year was this, eighty seventy six,

495
00:31:24.680 --> 00:31:28.920
So a couple years later when she was arrested. Sorry,

496
00:31:28.920 --> 00:31:31.519
the years it depends what source you're looking at. They

497
00:31:31.640 --> 00:31:34.319
change by one. I guess because you said her crime

498
00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:37.279
spanel till eighteen ninety two. So then I was like, well,

499
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:39.880
she's not done. This is the beginning. Also she was

500
00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:42.599
like okay, go on, yeah, this is the beginning. Oh

501
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:46.160
my god. So yeah, a couple of years after she

502
00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:50.759
was seen or that a would Elio, her son was

503
00:31:50.799 --> 00:31:54.759
like wandering the streets, injured and naked. She was arrested

504
00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:59.200
on June twenty first, eighteen seventy eight. The building caretaker

505
00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:03.319
reported her. And it's a little unclear if he like

506
00:32:03.400 --> 00:32:06.160
overheard something and that's why he reported her or what

507
00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:09.200
actually led to this. There's not a lot of information

508
00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:11.759
out there. I found this on infobay, which they have

509
00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:15.559
a lot of like new stuff. Oh sorry, I just realized.

510
00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:19.960
So she was arrested two years after the incident without

511
00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:23.680
Ali for beating out Alio. Yes, no, no, no, for

512
00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:26.799
the murder. And that's when Emilia was like, well, also

513
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:29.920
she beat her son. Oh okay, so how did this

514
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:33.799
murder happen? Then? Huh oh, this murder happened. That's why

515
00:32:33.799 --> 00:32:36.680
I'm about to share. Okay, it wasn't like it was

516
00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:41.599
very confusing to read the events. So yeah, again, it's

517
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:44.559
a little unclear to me how the caretaker found out

518
00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:47.720
because he's the one who reported reported her to the police.

519
00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:51.359
So this is the account that I found on info Bay,

520
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:54.079
which is also the only place I could find more

521
00:32:54.119 --> 00:33:01.839
details on this woman. So it seems that this the

522
00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:05.200
caretaker reported her to the police, and then police found

523
00:33:05.319 --> 00:33:07.920
a twelve year old girl under the first flight of

524
00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:11.480
stairs that led to where she lived, which was like,

525
00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:13.920
you walk in this entrance and then there's just like

526
00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:18.799
houses and so kind of like you know how, imagine

527
00:33:18.799 --> 00:33:21.559
like a vestin Dad situation, but for rich people. So

528
00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:25.079
it's like a gated area and you walk in and

529
00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:29.680
then there's like a communal batio and yeah, so in

530
00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:32.440
that there's a set of stairs that goes up to

531
00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:36.119
where the houses are at. So police, after the caretaker

532
00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:40.279
of this entire building reported her, went to this area.

533
00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:43.799
They went in and under the first flight of stairs

534
00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:45.880
that led to the houses, they found a twelve year

535
00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:49.880
old girl. And again this is terrible, so warning. So

536
00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:52.559
the girl was lying on the ground, face like on

537
00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:57.559
the ground, surrounded by insects and trash. She had rope

538
00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:02.680
burns around her wrists and ankles, bruises everywhere, and a

539
00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:06.440
very very deep wound on her head. Oh my god,

540
00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:11.639
that was like open and old where apparently like maggots

541
00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:15.440
were growing out of the wound. Oh my god, horrifying.

542
00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:21.000
And there were burns on her mouth and in her genitals,

543
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:25.440
and the girl begs for water. She was so scared.

544
00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:28.000
She was taken to the hospital where she later died.

545
00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:31.880
And her name was Gassimira Juarees. And it turns out

546
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:34.400
that guil A Lupe had hired Gasimira to work for

547
00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:39.679
her as a housemaid. But apparently if Gassimieda did something wrong,

548
00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:44.559
and that could be anything, hmm wow, whether Lupe's punishments

549
00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:49.920
were extremely violent and so supposedly what she did to

550
00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:53.119
this girl was a punishment for her like not cleaning something, right.

551
00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:58.360
I just can't get it's like so excessive and that's

552
00:34:58.360 --> 00:35:03.320
like an understatement, right, And so this she was arrested.

553
00:35:03.400 --> 00:35:07.119
There was a trial. I would Elio, her son, testified

554
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:11.519
against his mother during this trial, where he included the

555
00:35:11.559 --> 00:35:15.360
abuse that he faced because of her too, and because

556
00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:19.320
of his testimony and witness to Casimira, because he was

557
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:23.559
like thirteen years old at this time. She was sentenced

558
00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:27.599
to thirteen years in prison, which she began to serve

559
00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:31.920
on June twenty seventh, eighteen seventy eight. But so many

560
00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:34.679
journalists and like those that were keeping up with the

561
00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:38.000
case just could not believe that a woman like her,

562
00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:43.079
a rich nights looking woman, could be capable of something

563
00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:48.079
like this. Sexism strikes again, right right, Like let women

564
00:35:48.119 --> 00:35:52.800
be guilty too, Yes, women can be. No, but they

565
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:55.719
can't be abuse doers. No, Yeah, they certainly can, Like

566
00:35:55.920 --> 00:35:58.719
we're being serious now, Yeah, it's serious. Month. They can

567
00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:03.159
most certainly abuse who both men, children and other women.

568
00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:08.480
They can certainly do that, yes, but no, they thought, no,

569
00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:12.320
not her, not someone from that family, not someone who's married,

570
00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:17.400
not a mother, yes, exactly, And they literally described her

571
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:21.119
as someone with gentle and kind eyes, not someone with

572
00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:24.760
the eyes of a hardened criminal. Oh my god. And

573
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:27.719
so they started believing that guil the Lupe Martinez Bercherano,

574
00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:32.159
deserved mercy, and they did not let down. And then

575
00:36:32.440 --> 00:36:37.599
Porfideo Diaz himself pardoned her eight years into her thirteen

576
00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:42.239
year sentence, Oh my god, on August twenty sixth, eighteen

577
00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:46.440
eighty six. And so she got out wow. And after

578
00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:49.159
her release, she seemed to be laying low like there

579
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:55.039
was nothing notable about her until eighteen ninety one, some

580
00:36:55.079 --> 00:36:58.360
sources of saying eighteen ninety two she was arrested again,

581
00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:03.760
this time for the murder of the panda sisters. Some

582
00:37:03.800 --> 00:37:09.039
sources say it was only Crescenzia Banda and not sisters,

583
00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:12.639
And that's the most detailed account of this crime, so

584
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:17.480
I'll share that one first. So I couldn't find the date,

585
00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:20.000
just the year, which was either eighteen ninety one or

586
00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:23.079
eighteen ninety two, at it on a date taking place

587
00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:27.199
in either eighteen ninety one ninety two, rushed into the

588
00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:31.480
San Andres Hospital in Mexico City, and he was carrying

589
00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:34.480
a girl, but she was so disfigured it was hard

590
00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:36.840
to even like like the doctors were like, what are

591
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:40.239
we looking at? Oh my god? The girl had bruises,

592
00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:43.519
burns and cuts all over her body, and the doctors

593
00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:46.199
and nurses kept asking who is she? Who is the patient?

594
00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:50.079
What is her name? But Aurelio would not talk until

595
00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:56.159
a woman named Eulogia Monroi arrived at the hospital with police,

596
00:37:56.920 --> 00:38:02.480
and Eia was Censiastia, her aunt, and she had been

597
00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:05.719
searching for her niece who hadn't been home in a

598
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:10.000
few days. And it's unclear to me how Crescenzia started

599
00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:13.599
working for Gualla Lupe, but she did. She would do

600
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:16.079
cleaning or run errands for Wallalupe, and then she would

601
00:38:16.119 --> 00:38:20.800
go back home to her tia oh Lokya. And at

602
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:24.320
some point Caresensia didn't arrive, she didn't get shedn't go home,

603
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:28.599
and so al Lookia trying asking Guallalupe where her niece was,

604
00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:31.519
but Guadalupe would tell her, oh, I sent her to

605
00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:36.280
go get medicine all the way Buebla. And the exact

606
00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:40.280
age isn't shared, but she Caresnia is in between twelve

607
00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:44.599
and fifteen years old, so that's like if she swell,

608
00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:46.119
that's a little young to send her all the way

609
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:49.480
to Buebla by herself to pick up medicine. So al

610
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:52.199
Lookia didn't believe this, and she had already gone. She

611
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:54.280
had already gone to the police repeatedly to try and

612
00:38:54.639 --> 00:38:57.800
report her niece missing. I could not find how she

613
00:38:57.880 --> 00:38:59.840
found out her niece was in the hospital, but she

614
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:03.119
had arrived with police there and she was like that

615
00:39:03.199 --> 00:39:05.480
boy or that man, because I think at this point

616
00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:12.719
was eighteen. Alle kept Crescenzia and they kept a prisoner

617
00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:15.400
and they flogged her. That's what she told them. Oh wow.

618
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:18.760
And so Aurelio was taken away arrested as well, and

619
00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:23.320
Cresnia died the next day, and Guadalupe was also arrested.

620
00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:26.599
At this point and through the trial it was discovered

621
00:39:26.599 --> 00:39:29.400
that Audilio was not actually involved in the beating. Okay,

622
00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:31.320
I was just getting asked, like, was he just like

623
00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:33.320
his mother doing the tube? I like didn't want to

624
00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:36.320
believe that. No, right, So it appears that he wasn't.

625
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:39.719
But he was given a two year sentence for his inaction.

626
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:44.119
Like he didn't step in sooner, Like I get it,

627
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:48.880
because he's probably scared of his mom. Yeah, and his

628
00:39:48.920 --> 00:39:52.199
whereabouts after his two year sentence was served or unknown.

629
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:55.960
Some people believed he joined the military. As for Guadalupe,

630
00:39:56.360 --> 00:39:59.679
she received a ten year sentence ten years and eight

631
00:39:59.719 --> 00:40:02.280
months and she was sent to the Berlin Prison for

632
00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:04.800
a woman. But she had to be isolated for her

633
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:09.760
own safety because other inmates hated her for what she did.

634
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:12.760
And then she ended up dying of natural causes just

635
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:15.480
a few years into her sentence. I couldn't find exactly,

636
00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:18.639
but she didn't serve the full ten years because she died.

637
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:24.960
And so there's that's one version of events. There's another version.

638
00:40:26.920 --> 00:40:28.199
This is the one where there's not a lot of

639
00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:32.199
information out there. But in this version, Gualla Lupe and

640
00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:36.840
Cassia Pinda were employed by Walla Lupe and she abused

641
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:40.400
and tortured them for months. By the time the police

642
00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:43.239
found the sisters, they had been dead for weeks after

643
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:47.719
months of abuse. Guadalupe would hang them, whip them, and

644
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:51.360
then make them sit on a burning Brasier Brazil. I

645
00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:53.639
don't know how you say that, but it's basically this

646
00:40:53.840 --> 00:41:02.920
like stove thing that you can heat up like a pot. Okay, wow, yeah,

647
00:41:03.199 --> 00:41:05.400
I think I put a picture in the yeah, and

648
00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:08.840
I'll post this as well. And she would also starve

649
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:11.559
them and so they either died from their injuries or

650
00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:18.480
from starvation after months of being in under Guadalupa's employment.

651
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:22.199
And so those are the two versions of either she

652
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:27.280
killed Crescentia Pina or both of the sisters, and over

653
00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:31.719
time she was largely forgotten, but during the second trial

654
00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:35.239
she was infamous. There was like newspaper off the newspaper

655
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:40.920
Jose do you know who he is? No, he basically

656
00:41:41.519 --> 00:41:45.440
invented the katrina like theine. Okay, yeah, yeah, this is him.

657
00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:50.119
He painted a painting of her. I included it in

658
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:52.280
the document if you want to look at it, and

659
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:56.000
I'll post it as well. Very scary. Yeah, it's it's

660
00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:59.119
a little morbid, which he was known to, Yeah, marble things,

661
00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:01.800
it was his thing, and so yeah, apposed a picture

662
00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:07.119
and then Antonio Vanegas Arroyo wrote a corrido about her.

663
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:09.719
And it's a been wild to find the words. I

664
00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:12.079
was hoping to find someone singing it, but I couldn't.

665
00:42:12.639 --> 00:42:15.840
But I didn't find the words. So here they are

666
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:20.039
in Spanish, and now with them in English. Conuna cruda, atros,

667
00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:28.599
la tribleo, a cometido, la infamia, crement mass inmano iracunda, martirisa,

668
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:35.360
a keas carnes, tannas conteraduras andos brazos in naspernas. Yeah,

669
00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:41.320
Dan is digna, the compassion, the loke, thevestufried and serrada

670
00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:46.679
and suprision yeah yeah, and Trella negra sombra, the suscuro calaboso,

671
00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:54.800
the la vitnosente raal espectro espantoso and la innocente crescencia Martirisa,

672
00:42:55.039 --> 00:43:00.760
the the TL suerte n sente ao, una temper morte,

673
00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:11.280
agnos asei ottro, grimen iguala, esto gustisia, apricion, la sentencio

674
00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:16.840
and now an in glaiz an eglasion in English, with

675
00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:22.800
atrocious cruelty, That terrible, the terrible Beharano has committed infamy,

676
00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:28.039
the most inhumane crime crime in wrath. She tortures those

677
00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:31.480
tender fleshes with terrible burns on the arms and legs.

678
00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:36.199
And despite her wickedness, she's worthy of compassion for what

679
00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:40.039
she must suffer locked in her prison, and there enters

680
00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:43.519
the black shadow of her dark dungeon of the innocent victim.

681
00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:47.880
She will see the frightful specter. She tortures the innocent

682
00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:51.400
Crescentia in such a way that this innocent victim met

683
00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:55.519
in early death. Years ago, another crime similar to this

684
00:43:55.679 --> 00:44:00.599
one was committed and for which justice sentenced her to prison.

685
00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:05.280
Down and that is the case of la Vert. What

686
00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:09.400
is something already? You should have put it at the

687
00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:13.159
bottom again. Oh that I'm scrolling. I'm gonna find her

688
00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:21.760
nickname again? Where did you go? Yes? Yes, that was

689
00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:31.039
the case of the and yeah, wow, she's so scary. Yes,

690
00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:33.400
and they let her get away with it because she's

691
00:44:33.440 --> 00:44:36.760
a woman, and she did it again. Yeah. Yeah. If

692
00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:39.719
they hadn't done that, she wouldn't have gone out and

693
00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:42.480
found this other girl to torture and abuse to death.

694
00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:54.119
So wow, terrible, terrible stuff. Yeah, speaking of terrible stuff,

695
00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:58.519
do you have any spooky recommendations? Yeah? I have two.

696
00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:04.880
I I started watching Interview with the Vampire from amc

697
00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:09.400
oh MJ. Loved that show. Well, I'm a fan. I

698
00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:11.719
love that show. And then I was looking up the series,

699
00:45:11.840 --> 00:45:13.480
but it's a little too much for me to get

700
00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:17.440
into the series. There's like thirty Yeah, it's only the

701
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:20.639
first six are good. Oh so I don't know, but

702
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:23.239
I don't really read series like that. You know what.

703
00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:25.079
Every time I look up a book and I see

704
00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:27.639
that as a series, like never mind, I can't do

705
00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:34.719
this anymore. Yeah, but the show is amazing. Oh my god.

706
00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:38.039
You know what, maybe I'll finally Paul liked it. That's crazy,

707
00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:39.920
I say that because it doesn't really like Paul doesn't

708
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:42.960
like Vampire. Well one, it's hard for him to find

709
00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:45.039
a show that he likes. But right now we're into

710
00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:47.079
an interview with the Vampire, and then the show about

711
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:52.719
Hawaii with Jason Momoa. Oh okay, it's on Apple to

712
00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:58.079
but we're watching it bootleg. And now I'm watching season two,

713
00:45:58.119 --> 00:46:02.840
also bootleg because it's not on Netflix. Oh of interviewed

714
00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:05.559
with the Bat there's only season one. Oh yeah, because

715
00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:07.880
the rest is on AMC streaming service, which is where

716
00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:11.239
all the Walking Dead stuff is at too. Yeah, but man,

717
00:46:11.519 --> 00:46:14.519
that show is so good. Okay, I'm gonna watch it.

718
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:16.599
You would like it. I know you would like it.

719
00:46:17.119 --> 00:46:19.199
I know. I knew I would like it, even when

720
00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:21.119
MJ was like, you need to watch you just haven't

721
00:46:21.159 --> 00:46:22.800
watched it. You need to watch it. I haven't done it.

722
00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:25.239
I and I remember I was like, oh, I think

723
00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:26.960
I would like that, but then like I forgot about

724
00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:29.880
it or something. Yeah, and we were looking for a

725
00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:33.239
show and then we put that on and we're like, oh, amazing.

726
00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:38.239
And then my other reck is a book I listened

727
00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:43.639
to called A Wake Up and Open Your Eyes Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

728
00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:52.159
by Clay McCleod Chapman, and it is interesting. It reminds

729
00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:55.760
me of American Rapture, with which both me and Christina

730
00:46:55.880 --> 00:46:59.639
like I loved the American Rapture. Mm, it's been icniq

731
00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:06.039
when my favorite Hohore reads well, listen, yeah, I listened

732
00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:08.280
to that this year. This year has been so long.

733
00:47:08.679 --> 00:47:13.480
It's been a long year. Yeah. Yeah, so this description.

734
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:18.159
Noah has been losing his polite Southern parents to far

735
00:47:18.320 --> 00:47:20.800
right cable news for years, so when his mother leaves

736
00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:24.000
him a voicemail warning him that the Great Reawakening is here,

737
00:47:24.519 --> 00:47:27.559
he assumes it's related to one of her many conspiracy theories,

738
00:47:27.920 --> 00:47:30.239
but when his phone calls go on answered, Noah makes

739
00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:34.559
the drive from Brooklyn to Richmond, Virginia. There, he discovers

740
00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:37.280
his childhood home and shambled and his parents locked in

741
00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:40.960
a terrifying trance like state in front of the TV. Panicked,

742
00:47:41.039 --> 00:47:43.960
Noah attempts to snap them out of it. Then Noah's

743
00:47:44.119 --> 00:47:47.840
mother brutally attacks him, also sexually attacks him. By the way,

744
00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:50.360
that's why people think it's like weird and they don't

745
00:47:50.480 --> 00:47:53.039
like it. But that's how reminded me of American Rapture

746
00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:55.679
because it was the same thing. They're not doing it

747
00:47:55.760 --> 00:47:58.000
because it's her son. She's just doing it because she's

748
00:47:58.039 --> 00:48:00.920
a zombie now all parent, right, Yeah, and zombies don't

749
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:04.519
discriminate like the sas or a zombie type of thing.

750
00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:08.880
But Noah isn't the only person to be attacked by

751
00:48:08.920 --> 00:48:11.559
a loved one. Families across the country are tearing it

752
00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:14.360
to their apart, literally, as people succumb to a form

753
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:16.760
of possession that gets worse the more time they spend

754
00:48:16.880 --> 00:48:20.440
glued to a screen. In Noah's a Richmond based family,

755
00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:23.920
only he and his young nephew Marcus are unaffected. Together

756
00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:26.119
they must race it back to the safe haven of Brooklyn,

757
00:48:26.639 --> 00:48:28.559
but can they make it before they fall prey to

758
00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:33.239
the violent hordes? And uh yeah, so, oh my god,

759
00:48:33.440 --> 00:48:37.639
that sounds almost too scary because it sounds too like

760
00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:40.800
that right now. It's very it's very other nodes. But

761
00:48:40.880 --> 00:48:45.159
I didn't like hate it, but it is a very much,

762
00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:54.519
very timely if you will. And I liked because so

763
00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:57.360
it's about Noah. It talks about yeah, Noah, and then

764
00:48:57.800 --> 00:49:00.280
his nephew's family, so his brother who are like an

765
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:05.800
hour away from his parents, and they talk about the

766
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:10.119
parents falling into this basically all right like right extreme

767
00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:13.599
right wing pipeline from watching and in the book it's

768
00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:17.800
called facts News, but it's like Fox again on the nose. Yeah,

769
00:49:18.039 --> 00:49:20.760
but it's like on purpose, like almost a terriical no no, no,

770
00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:23.639
of course, yeah yeah yeah, and uh and then the

771
00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:29.159
the brother falls. Noah's brother falls into the same pipeline,

772
00:49:29.199 --> 00:49:32.519
like just like his dad. And they even they talk

773
00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:36.960
about it's like it's hard to listen to because it's

774
00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:42.039
these normal things that become extreme and like I'm telling you,

775
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:47.880
it's a little yeah, wake up, you know, it's normal

776
00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:50.840
to sit down and you know, watch TV on your

777
00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:56.239
lazy boy chair and uh. Then and then the Noah's

778
00:49:56.519 --> 00:50:00.480
why yeah, no, no, Noah, Noah's sister in law, she

779
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:07.039
falls into the pipeline from a wellness space. And then

780
00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:13.360
the teenage son from being chronically online. This is it's

781
00:50:13.559 --> 00:50:17.639
literally what we're seeing. And then also like when they

782
00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:22.440
talk about Noah's brother's family, it talks about the family

783
00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:29.440
basically living their own lives and it's like superficially they're connected,

784
00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:32.280
but not really, they're not really investor in each other

785
00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:36.880
and like communing with each other. Yeah in community, Yeah

786
00:50:37.159 --> 00:50:40.559
yeah exactly. And so that's how they each get into

787
00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:42.559
their own pipeline. So I don't know there was Soul's

788
00:50:42.599 --> 00:50:44.639
going to say. I was gonna say, thus making them

789
00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:48.360
susceptible to the pipeline. Yes, yes, exactly that. And then

790
00:50:48.400 --> 00:50:51.960
it also about Noah, you know, as he's he comes

791
00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:55.280
across his family like that, he comes across his nephew,

792
00:50:56.199 --> 00:50:59.679
he has to try to survive, and then it touches

793
00:50:59.719 --> 00:51:05.119
on hypocrisy of basically middle ground like liberals and centrists.

794
00:51:05.199 --> 00:51:07.079
I was gonna say, don't tell me, it's such on

795
00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:10.400
the hypocrisy of liberalism straight up does yeah, And so

796
00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:12.840
like as a survival mode, he hears the voice of

797
00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:16.360
Anderson Cooper in his mind and he's like, Oh, you

798
00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:18.920
thought you were safe in your little haven and blah

799
00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:21.199
blah blah. Oh you should have stepped in sooner to

800
00:51:21.280 --> 00:51:23.519
help your family. You thought you were better than them,

801
00:51:23.559 --> 00:51:25.719
but actually you're just like them, like shit like that.

802
00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:28.239
And I'm like, oh my god, wow, I don't know.

803
00:51:28.320 --> 00:51:30.840
I liked it, I will say. So. Then they also

804
00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:33.360
besides like getting into no when his family, they also

805
00:51:33.480 --> 00:51:38.000
have like transcripts of like videos of people falling or

806
00:51:38.119 --> 00:51:40.880
becoming these zombies and stuff like that. But it reminded

807
00:51:40.920 --> 00:51:43.280
me kind of like a World War Z like that

808
00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:46.360
kind of thing in that sense. And so, but those

809
00:51:46.440 --> 00:51:48.599
I feel like those parts do get a little repetitive,

810
00:51:48.679 --> 00:51:51.079
but it's just showing like the pattern of people succumbing

811
00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:54.519
to this. I thought it was good. I'm gonna request

812
00:51:54.559 --> 00:52:06.320
it right now from my library support libraries. Yeah, okay, wow, Well,

813
00:52:06.440 --> 00:52:10.760
I don't have recommendations that I've watched yet, just things

814
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:15.360
that I want to watch. So after watching Weapons, or

815
00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:17.960
after Weapons came out and I posted about how obsessed

816
00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:21.440
I was about Weapons, then Aiden and I did an

817
00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:26.320
episode recapping and just obsessively talking about Weapons on Patreon.

818
00:52:26.920 --> 00:52:29.599
Then a listener, a couple of listeners told me that

819
00:52:29.679 --> 00:52:34.039
there's a Mexican movie called The Alexandra, which reminded them

820
00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:39.239
of Gladys from Weapons, and I was like, Okay, I

821
00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:41.159
need to see this. It's on YouTube, but I haven't

822
00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:43.119
seen it because I want to go down to Scarecrow

823
00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:46.599
Video and know they do have it. I'm already checked

824
00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:51.079
oh and actually physically pick it out at first. I

825
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:53.599
just love. One of my favorite things before all the

826
00:52:54.360 --> 00:52:57.519
DVD stores and rental places started closing down was just

827
00:52:57.639 --> 00:53:00.639
walking through the aisles of DVDs and looking at them.

828
00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:07.519
This place is awesome. It has like I don't know,

829
00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:10.760
three or four floors of DVTs. It's the largest media

830
00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:13.679
collection in the world. Wow, and they have this movie

831
00:53:13.719 --> 00:53:15.679
and so I haven't seen it on YouTube just because

832
00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:20.199
I want to go grab the movie physically, that whole experience. Yeah,

833
00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:22.880
that's what I want. I'm gonna get a membership too,

834
00:53:24.039 --> 00:53:27.119
which is gonna give me a discount like punches, and

835
00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:31.159
then I will save on my selections. So yeah, that's

836
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:33.840
on my list. I'm obsessed with the idea of going.

837
00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:35.239
I just haven't gone because I can, but I'm a

838
00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:38.159
little under the weather. But I can't wait. And as

839
00:53:38.559 --> 00:53:43.000
the idea, yes, I have been thinking about it NonStop.

840
00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:45.239
I'm looking forward to it, but again I have a

841
00:53:45.320 --> 00:53:48.199
little under the weather, so I haven't gone. But as

842
00:53:48.239 --> 00:53:51.360
soon as i'm better, I will be on my way

843
00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:57.159
to grab the movie from the shelf. Yes, just like that.

844
00:53:58.039 --> 00:53:59.760
And that's so that's the one thing that I am

845
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:03.719
preemptively recommending. I haven't seen it, but yeah, Alexandra, because

846
00:54:03.719 --> 00:54:06.079
people said it reminded them or they thought about it

847
00:54:06.119 --> 00:54:08.400
when watching a new Weapons. And then the other thing

848
00:54:08.440 --> 00:54:09.599
I want to see, but I don't know if I

849
00:54:09.639 --> 00:54:11.320
want to go watching in the theater. I wait till

850
00:54:11.360 --> 00:54:16.920
it's out streaming somewhere. But him, oh oh yeah, yeah,

851
00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:20.519
it's getting mixed reviews. But again, I just don't always

852
00:54:20.519 --> 00:54:22.360
trust reviews when it comes to horror movies. I want

853
00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:25.960
to see it for myself. Yeah, and someone was saying

854
00:54:26.119 --> 00:54:29.199
that the themes that him is touching on are a

855
00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:31.480
little on the nose, just like you were talking about

856
00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:35.760
with the book. So but again I haven't seen it.

857
00:54:35.880 --> 00:54:37.320
I want to see it. So those are the two

858
00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:42.239
things that I'm like looking forward to watching sometime soon,

859
00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:44.400
and then I'll give my thoughts when I do. But yeah,

860
00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:48.840
those are my recommendations. Also, Scarecrow Video just as a

861
00:54:48.920 --> 00:54:51.760
whole if you're in the Seattle area, because that place

862
00:54:51.880 --> 00:54:55.280
is awesome. Actually, I bought Night of the Living Dead

863
00:54:55.599 --> 00:54:58.119
from there last time we were there, but I still

864
00:54:58.119 --> 00:55:02.639
haven't seen it. We haven't seen it a Living Dead. No,

865
00:55:02.679 --> 00:55:04.360
I haven't seen it since I bought it. Oh, okay,

866
00:55:06.079 --> 00:55:08.280
we did watch it. No, I haven't watched it since

867
00:55:08.320 --> 00:55:11.280
I bought it. Yeah, nice, yeah, but I did it

868
00:55:11.360 --> 00:55:13.719
buy it anyway, all right? Yeah, I was just in

869
00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:17.639
that reminder you can catch us live November one, twenty

870
00:55:17.719 --> 00:55:20.280
twenty five. That info is in the show notes, and

871
00:55:20.360 --> 00:55:25.159
we hope to see some of you there. And yeah,

872
00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:27.079
I just in that watch out for old ladies at

873
00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:29.960
the cemetery because it may be ghosts. Yeah, and they

874
00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:32.639
will tell you that's where they live. Now, this is

875
00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:38.760
my all right, stay spek. You will catch everyone next time.

876
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you so much, Stay a Spooky