March 13, 2026

The Case of Isabel Cabanillas

The Case of Isabel Cabanillas
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Isabel Cabanillas de la Torre was an artist and so well known in her community. Every food vendor knew her. She was also an activist with a group called Mesa de Mujeres, a group that focused on gender violence. She was also a member of Puro Borde, an art collective in the city. Some of her murals can still be found in Ciudad Juarez. She left a bar in downtown Juarez after midnight on Jan 18, 2020 and that was the last time her friends saw her alive. Before tallking about Isabel, Cristina tells Carmen some of the history of Juarez, involving the maquiladoras and NAFTA. 

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Hi, this is Christina and Carmen and this is another

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episode of Spooky Tales. The podcast for all things is

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Pooky Myths, Legends and True Crime in Latin America. And

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like we said last episode, we are highlighting femicides this

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month of March, and so this whole month is going

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to be depressing and today is no different. Nope, it

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is no different. Normally we have a listener story, but

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for these episodes where we're discussing femicides, we're saving listener

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stories for when we stopped doing the so after the

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month of March. But if you have stories that you

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want to send to us, you can email us Spooky

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Tales at gmail dot com. Dm us the comment all

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those ways, call this Pooky Hotline. Although after watching undertone,

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I may not listen, So yeah, okay, and onto today's topic.

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Across from the Machila Dora Industries headquarters in the Loma

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dell Alta area of Suda, Juarez, there is an open

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field and before talking about that field, let's talk about

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Juatis Quadis. This part of Mexico contains the most Machila

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lauras in all of Latin America. And for those that

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don't know, Machilaalura is like a factory, and so yeah,

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Suda Quatas has the most maculadoras in all of Latin America,

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and it also has the highest number of deaths in

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Latin America. I think it's gone down like right now,

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but at one point it had like the highest and

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this is due to many reasons, mostly the drug war

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and the proximity to the border. That open field across

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the Machilalora industries is a memorial site today. In it

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you'll find these big pink crosses. There are eight of them,

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and those pink crosses were originally put up as a

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memorial to eight women who were found dead in this

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field where the memorial is located, all of them having

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been placed there at different times throughout the years, but

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all with signs of having been raped and tortured. Their

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names were Esmeraldara Montreal, Laura, Berenice Ramos, Monares, Claudia Ibelle Gonzalez,

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Maria the Los Angeles A Costa Ramirez, Maira, Juliana Reez, Solis, Madeleine,

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Elisave Rodriguez Signs and Maria Rosina Galicia. All were between

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fifteen and nineteen years old. Oh my god, I didn't

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know there was like underage under drumons on a word

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stop it. I had to correct myself. I didn't even

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notice underage girls. I didn't know there was under age

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girls among those. Yeah, I guess fifteen twenty, oh wow,

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but still very young.

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Yeah.

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Very Claudia Evel Gonzalez was twenty when she disappeared on

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her way to work at a Machaila Dora on the

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afternoon of October tenth, two thousand and one. One month

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after Claudia went missing, police handed over to her mother

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a bag of bones, which they claimed to be claudia

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As remains.

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Oh my god.

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Before that point, though, they there was zero effort to

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search for her. Wow to do their jobs. Is Merela

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Herrera Montreal, who was fifteen years old when she disappeared

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on her way from her house to a house where

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she worked at as a maid. Her mom reported her

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missing one day after, on October thirtieth, two thousand and one,

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but again the police made zero effort to search for

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her until her remains were found a month later in

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November two thousand and one, and the police actually told

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the family of Esmeralda to look for her themselves while

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why this is like the unteenthed story where or a

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case where we learned that the police told the family

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members that, yes, and they suggested that she probably was

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like she had gone off with her boyfriend, which is

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what they always say, Yeah, something of the sorts. For

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Laura Berenice Ramos Monares, she was seventeen, a high school

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student when she disappeared. One month after her family reported

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her missing, the police again began to try and search

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for her.

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A pattern.

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Yes, one could say this is a repeating pattern for

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the rest of the young women who were found with Esmelda,

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Laura and Clauia. And it's not just these eight women

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who were found in two thousand and one. This has

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been a repeating pattern for many of them, the victims

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in student quadas for decades. This monument was originally made

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for these eight, but it now has become the memorial

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site for hundreds of women who have died in aquadis.

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I will also add here that the families of these eight,

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they kept fighting and fighting for justice, and the case

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ended up going to the Inter American Court of Human

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Rights in two thousand and two, and it took them

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seven years to reach a verdict, but they did so

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in two thousand and nine, and part of that ruling

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was that Mexico was accountable for the murders, that they

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failed to protect these young women slash teens. Then they

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also failed to do their job to solve these murders,

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and so they the state or the government, was ordered

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to pay the legal costs to the victims' families. They

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were also ordered to reopen the investigations. They were also

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ordered to vestigate the government officials who were accused of

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obstructing justice for all eight of these cases. And this

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really obligated in Mexico to build a memorial site. Oh

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so that's how the memorial site came to me exactly.

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But of course, during the memorial site opening ceremony, the

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family is protested, and they interrupted the ceremony with posters

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of their loved ones, candles, flowers, and they chanted vivas

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celas javaron, vivas las queremos. They were taken alive. We

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want them back alive, and no kemos un monumento. Yes,

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we don't want a monument, we want them Yeah, and like, yeah,

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it is their right to do this, of course, yeah,

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I mean, like how long they had to fight for justice,

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and probably this just felt like a like a band aid,

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like you know, type of solution.

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Like, Oh, everything's good now look at this memorial. Yeah,

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because of reality, I mean, like what can you do?

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You know, Like, yes, a memorial to commemorate when on

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their lives is good and a starting point. But these

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families were ignored, the victims were blamed, you know exactly,

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And I could not find the what ended happening with

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these cases if they were like reopened back in two

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thousand and nine when the ruling was made. I did

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find that in two thousand and three there was a

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commission to investigate the murders, like commission created, and that

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back when the women were discovered their bodies were found

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in two thousand and one, there was two bus drivers arrested,

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but one of the bus drivers died in prison waiting

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trial and the other was released due to lack of evidence.

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And yeah, there's like ample evidence that these men were

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innocent and unjustly arrested just because they were looking for

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someone to blame. Actually, did you listen to that podcast?

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That is actually my next point here. Their lawyers also

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said the men were tortured into confessing, which they most

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likely were tortured into confessing and then and then these

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lawyers were both gunned down and seas they were both

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And so yeah, there's a podcast, the one Carmen was

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just about to mention, called Forgotten Women of Watas. It's

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eight episodes long. There's a Spanish version and an English

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version of each episode. It covers everything that I'm mentioning

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right now. It covers it in way way more detail,

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like across the span of eight episodes that are each

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like forty five minutes long at least. But the consensus

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is that, yeah, these men were scapegoats and that there

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was actually a much much deeper cover up going on

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that probably involved with police, cartels and politicians, and possibly

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that's still the case, that there's still like some sort

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of cover up. Sure they politicians, police and the cartels,

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because yeah, there has continued to be deaths and murders

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in this area, and that's been the case for several

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victims and moment that we've covered. Yes, like we talked

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about Esmeralda Cassilloon in episode one hundred and nine. This

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happened in zul Cuares. We also talked about Maricella Escovedo

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or Thiz in episode sixty four, and both of these

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remain unsolved. When you look up femicide in sul Cuares,

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you'll see that more than five hundred women were killed

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between nineteen ninety three and twenty eleven, and that's like

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the first official statistic you come across. But that number

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is now in the thousands, and we can't talk about

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any case in Sula al Cuares without talking about the machilaas.

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A study was conducted in two thousand and eight on

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the femicide database from nineteen ninety three to two to

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one thousand and seven at the Colegio la Frontera Norte,

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which documented incidents of femicide in the city, and that's

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where that statistic comes from. Of the various different kinds

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of murders that were analyzed, the study found two common

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patterns in the data, which were classified as intimate femicide

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and systemic sexual femicide. And intimate femicide refers to women

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who were killed by men that were close to them.

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Intimate femicide accounted for thirty point four percent of the

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murders of women and girls in those years nineteen ninety

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three to twenty eleven. Systemic sexual Femicide refers to systematic

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patterns in the killing of women and children, which includes kidnapping,

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sexual violence, torture, and body abandonment in areas such as

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garbage dumps, sewage ditches, literally just streets or like desert areas. Oh, actually,

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I will add because while writing about all this, like

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last episode and this episode, I came, I kept coming

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across femicide and feminicide. And since we're talking about femicide

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right now, do you know the difference between those I've

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heard feminist side, but I couldn't tell you, like from

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the top of my head, like what the difference is. Okay,

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So femicide has become like the murder of a woman

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because she's a woman, Like that's the general, most basic

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definition of it, and feminicide is the same. But then

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you add on like an intentional state cover up, police

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cover up of that femicide, it becomes a feminicide is

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the most accepted term. So like last episode, that was

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a feminicide because the cover up that they tried to do,

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yes of the more locuture. Yeah, I couldn't remember for

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a second. So yeah, that's the difference between those two words.

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But more often than not, they're used interchangeably anyway, because

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they're so tired together exactly exactly. And while there are

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many factors contributing to femicides, like machismo and Mexican society,

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more importantly like the rise of drug cartels, which one

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of the biggest factors to the rise of drug cartels

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was NAFTA.

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Okay, I was waiting for you to bring up NAFTA.

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I know you were. I was like that meme, yeah,

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the one with the vein. Yeah, yeah, that's Carmen. So

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NAFTA is tied to both the rise of drug cartels,

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which we actually talked about in the other episode, which

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with the truck drivers and the migrants in the truck,

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because that's also tied to NAFTA, right, Like NATA was

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just like, yeah, the rise and I forgot what the term.

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What's called about commercial using commercial trucks to smuggle migrants?

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Yeah, it was like the mass.

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Yeah, mass something. But it's tight to NAFTA. Also tight

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to NAFTA, like we said, drunk cartels, but also the

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rise of machilaus. The reason there's so many factories is

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because of NAFTA, and so in nineteen ninety four, the

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North American Free Trade Agreepment NAFTA created the largest free

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trade area in the world, integrating Mexico into an international

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trade trade block characterized by neoliberal economic policies. This happened

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under the leadership of President Carlos Salina Zecortari, another neoliberal presidency.

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Mexico implemented a series of free market oriented policy decisions

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intended to stimulate foreign investment. And like foreign investment, it

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sounds like it would be good, like it would be beneficial.

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It never it never works out to make deals with

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especially in.

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oh it was in Nata that I talked about then,

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but when we talked about the history of board patrol

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or I studies unknown.

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And one of the led to.

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A shortage of food was because Mexico made a similar

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kind of like business deal with the United States and

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then they started all the food that normally would go

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towards the people. And then this is like the most

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generalized version, but they started sending that to the United

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States for whatever. I think it was like a war

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for I remember exactly. But then it led to like

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famine in regions of Mexico, which led to more migration,

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which led to bar patrol strengthening. You know, whatever just

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never never works out, it really never does. And so

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this new NAFTA, it attracts it. It was like promised

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the absence of tariffs, and so many were like this

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sounds great. Many US owned corporations were like, wow, this

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sounds great, right, and so they began making these factories

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makilavas in Quadis and there was a pretty exact and

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just because like so we know, NAFTA didn't really help

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out anybody in Mexico except like the rich. And it

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was the same thing in the United States because this

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led to a lot of companies moving manufacturing away from

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the United States. And that's why whenever like, oh, we

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don't make things America anymore, well, yeah, that's because of capitalism, man, Yeah,

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it really is. No, because that's what I was going

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to say. US owned corporations then began moving their factories

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to Quatis, like Ford Mattel, General Motors, and IBM or

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a handful of the corporations that moved to the Quadis

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maki lavoras during this time period they made over three

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hundred factories in Quatis, and the availability of cheap labor

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made it more attractive to them for just for them

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to just close businesses here, factories here, and move them

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down there. And because of all these factories opening and

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the job opportunities, many from other parts of Mexico fluttered

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into Quatas, especially women like single women who needed to

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make a living, were like, well, there's work in Quatus.

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An academic named Catherine Pantaleo, I like this quote of hers,

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so quote NAFTA as a capitalist approach has directly created

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a devaluation of women and an increase in gendered violence.

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And you know what that is so poignant. I can

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never say that fucking word poignant. You know it's because

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I can't say it because I was listened to in an

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episode of five to four and they make fun of

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Amy Cornogard name co something buried, you know, the justice

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because she can't say that word, and they're like, a poignant.

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Are what are you a cartoon character? Poignant? And I'm like, fuck,

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I can't say that word either.

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I see. I never try to say the word, but

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it's on the nose. It's just it's so fitting you know.

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But yes, this quoe is so on the nose.

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And that is why boss.

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Girl feminism, capitalists feminism, white woman feminism. It doesn't work

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because it only represents the rich women who, on their

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path to becoming rich, step on every other woman out there.

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You know what I mean?

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Yes, yes, So NAFTA was implemented and or began established

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whatever in nineteen ninety four. From nineteen ninety four to

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two thousand and one, the homicide rate for men increased

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by three richard percent, while for women increased by six

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hundred percent. Wow, I didn't know that the homicide rate

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for men also increased. Oh yes that yeah, border town violence.

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But that makes sense, like non, like it affects all genders,

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but women are the most affected. But yes, men died too,

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of course.

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Since the increase of the Machilagra factories, more single women

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with families to raise moved to quadis And because of

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like the time work starts and ends, they're often walking

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alone getting to and from work, right, and so that

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could be one of the many reasons for the increase

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in murders and disappearances. The highest number of femicides recorded

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in Uarrez was after the start of Felippe Calderon so called.

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War on drugs.

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Of course it was which we have I feel like

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we've discussed that. I feel like we've mentioned it here

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and there. But basically it it led to so much

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more violence. Yeah, which is why like war on blah

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blah blah, war on this war on the cartels, like

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that doesn't ever work.

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In twenty ten, there were three hundred and four murders

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of women. During that time period. There was a rate

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of sixty femicites per one hundred thousand inhabitants.

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The arrival of the military and federal police made gender

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violence even more higher, Like it increased. Yeah, because I'm sorry,

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but wherever the military goes, there's any increasing violence. Oh

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my god, I was just going to say that. Wow,

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we're like on the same page. This applies to all militaries. Yeah,

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but the United States more than any other. Let me

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clarifying them. Let us clarify that in the global South,

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that violence is at the hands of the US military. Okay,

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So whenever, like during this time period, when there was

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a death of a woman that was like found, you know,

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it was always attributed to oh the cartels. Oh, the cartels,

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and oftentimes women themselves were like said to be involved

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with organized crime and that's why they were killed.

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And it's just it's just an excuse.

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And I think that people want to believe they're not next,

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or they would never be next, you know, and so

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the ethmic excuses and be like oh boss and zo

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yeah again and keepasa when that's not the reality. The

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reality is that any one of us could be a

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victim of femiciety.

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You know, yes, mm hmm.

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And just as a state, because when I were talking

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about suit Aguadas, but as a state in all, like

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Chihuahua is the state with the second highest rate of

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sexual assault against women wow in Mexico. According to official

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data obtained through information requests to learn about the situation

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of violence against women in Saguades, from twenty ten to

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twenty fifteen, there was, thank you, eighteen hundred and twenty

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three reports of domestic violence were filed by women between

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the ages of eighteen and thirty five, and only six

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point eighty seven percent of that number resulted in legal

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proceedings impunity. Yes yes. During the same period, three hundred

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and eleven reports of sexual harassment were filed and only

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eight resulted in criminal charges.

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Hello, Hello, this is Christina from the Future. I forgot

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to mention this while we were recording, but this was

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a good place to mention it because it involves what is.

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A little bit ago, another batch of Epstein files were released,

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and Mexico did not escape being named, particularly suad What

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is These are unverified allegations that were leveled against Earl

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Anthony Wayne, who served as the United States Ambassador to

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Mexico from twenty eleven to twenty fifteen. These allegations come

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from a twenty nineteen email written by a man named

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Kenneth Darryl Turner, and in the email written by Turner

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to the FBI, he wrote, quote, you may want to

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question the ex US Ambassador to Mexico, mister Earl Anthony Wayne,

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about his involvement with an underage girl when he attended

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and was arrested by the federal police. And so he

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mentions this alleged arrest that occurred at a twenty fourteen

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party in two Aquadis that was allegedly organized by Epstein

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and Richard Marcinko, a former US Navy seal commander who

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is now deceased. In the same email, Turner claims that Wayne,

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the former ambassador, was sentenced in Mexico in twenty seventeen

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to a life sentence for impregnating an eleven year old girl,

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but that in his place an ex US marine served

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the sentence as part of an agreement worked out between

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the US State Department and a judge in Mexico after

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a huge payoff. And again there's no evidence for that.

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But that also isn't the only time that Wayne, this

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former ambassador appears in the EPSTEIN finals. There's a twenty

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nineteen FBI document with information provided by Turner to the

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FBI where he says that the USA mbssy in Mexico

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City was raided by Mexican federal police in two fourteen

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while Wayne was there. And Turner also said that the

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ambassador left the country immediately, which that part is true.

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He did leave like suddenly. These emails from Turner to

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the FBI also mentioned an alleged vault containing approximately ten

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thousand videos of miners and this is all alleged, all

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coming from the same person, Kenni Daryl Turner. But the

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part that is true is that the ambassador did suddenly

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leave Mexico in that year that Turner said twenty fourteen.

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And since the Epstein files have solely been released, people

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have been mentioning Epstein also because of his ranch that

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is in New Mexico, which is very close to see

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that Aquatis. So you can read these emails yourselves. And

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again it's all alleged and not verified information. Okay, back

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to the episode. All of this information leads me to

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a case that I wanted to bring attention to thanks

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to a listener who suggested it, the case of Isabel

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Gavanias de Latore. She was born on May fifth, nineteen

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ninety three. She was an artist like she did murals

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and like art on clothing that she then sold, and

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very active with her art on Instagram. And she was

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so well known in the community. Every food vendor, specifically

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burrito food vendor is apparently he we so she must

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have really loved burrito. She was also an activist with

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a group called Messa de Mucherez. This group focused on

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gender violence. She was also a member of Puro borde

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In art collective in the city, and this art collective

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their statement was like to take back streets that had

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been taken over by the Natco War. Through art. So

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they just like spread colorful art to contrast the violence.

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And some of her murals can still be found in Judas.

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Wow.

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And she was also a member, like a member of

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so many things. She was just very community or oriented.

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Thank you, that's the word. Yes, okay. She was also

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a member of Kassu Makileira Madre And this wasn't antiq

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or is they're still around. This isn't antique.

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I've heard of them, have you?

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I don't know that, but yeah, an anti capitalist feminist

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collective Fromas. Most of the members are daughters of factory workers,

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hence the name, and this includes Isabel. Most of them

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wore first generation what is so their mothers all came

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from different parts of Mexico to work in the Macas

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and so many of them were also the first to

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go to university or graduate from university, including Ishabad. She

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was also a mother to a four year old son.

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In an interview that I found of her before she

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passed away, she was asked about her art and like

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why she began to paint, and she said that she

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wanted to show her son that they can make beautiful

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things even when things around them aren't so beautiful, they

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can make beautiful things themselves and to inspire him. But

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she also felt that it was very important to use

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her art to call out injustices. She was carrying empathetic, strong, smart,

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also described as so funny. Her friend Marte said quote,

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she had what I'd call white humor rather than black,

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a pure humor, simple and sensitive. She laughed and made

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other people laugh end quote. Man Carlos, an elderly regular

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Elane's bar in downtown wat Is, described her as charming

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and as someone who took time out of her day

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to chat with everyone, including like more ignored people, like

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older folks. Another friend and fellow artist said quote, we

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want to understood that what Isaibad was doing was rebellious

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in what is in the Machista city. She was occupying

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the streets with art. She was riding her bicycle home

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alone at night. She was subversive of patriarchal culture. She

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joined us to fight patriarchal violence in our own ways,

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her own way. This is making me so sad. She

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just sounds like this amazing, beautiful, joyful person who wanted

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and deserves a life free of violence, as all people,

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but especially women and children, who are the main victims

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of violence at the handsome men. Actually men are also

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victims of violence from the hands of men. They are

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also victims of the patriotchans.

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We have said.

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Many chahs and people like her are targeted by men

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who don't want to change their ways because they want

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to be in control. So it's sad to see such

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a beautiful light be I don't know, stamped out by

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machismo in violence. Yeah. Yadira Cortez, a spokeswoman for Messale Mouchres,

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which she was a part of. Sevan Isabel's death had

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00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:37.400
the community obviously so angry, But she said about her quote,

442
00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:40.440
she represents us because she's someone who raised her voice

443
00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:44.200
for justice, for the prevention of violence against women, and

444
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:47.880
for the opportunity to do community building through culture and art.

445
00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:51.240
Her murder has refocused attention on the fact that women

446
00:28:51.279 --> 00:28:53.440
are constantly being murdered in this community.

447
00:28:54.039 --> 00:28:54.599
End quote.

448
00:28:55.119 --> 00:28:57.359
And I'm going to get into the date. But like

449
00:28:57.799 --> 00:29:01.680
for a while, all the murders that were happening in

450
00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:06.400
Aquatas were like the attention of like mediap podcasts like

451
00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:09.599
h what the fuck are they called? Crime Junkie did

452
00:29:09.640 --> 00:29:12.480
an episode on the women of Quadas and they probably

453
00:29:12.519 --> 00:29:16.119
plagiarized from the other podcasts. They probably did from the

454
00:29:16.359 --> 00:29:18.759
one we mentioned Forgotten Women of Quatas. And they say

455
00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:21.279
that because they have been known to have plaiarism issues.

456
00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:23.200
I'm not just being a hater, okay, but no, they

457
00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:25.920
do have a history of plagiarizing.

458
00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:27.920
Anyway.

459
00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:31.960
Yeah, and then it was like not talked about for

460
00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:35.680
a while except if you're Mexican, and yeah, and you're

461
00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:39.880
either if you're Mexican or if you're like in at

462
00:29:39.880 --> 00:29:44.920
Baso and obviously are very close in proximity to Aquadas. Actually,

463
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:48.559
I think that's where I heard about her and this organization,

464
00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:57.000
because Cassandra from Bitter Problems every so often goes to

465
00:29:57.039 --> 00:29:59.720
Quatas and participates in groups like that, and she does

466
00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:02.079
like a ride from at Bascos Aquatas and it's like

467
00:30:02.119 --> 00:30:04.079
part of like one of these groups that organized it.

468
00:30:04.119 --> 00:30:06.599
And I remember she talked about her friend that was

469
00:30:06.680 --> 00:30:09.640
killed and I'm pretty sure it was her. It could

470
00:30:09.640 --> 00:30:13.079
have been someone else because this is common, but I

471
00:30:13.119 --> 00:30:15.640
sort of remember that. And she was a big bike rider,

472
00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:19.319
so that's why they liked the Like memory triggered in

473
00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:22.920
my brain when you mentioned she was riding her bike. Yeah, so,

474
00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:25.720
and like for us that who either paid attention to

475
00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:29.119
what's going on in Mexico. This never went away, but

476
00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:32.640
in a lot of places it vanished from like the media.

477
00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:36.839
And so after Isabel was murdered, it felt like it

478
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:40.519
brought back the attention to the femicides in cua Aquadas

479
00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:46.480
that had gotten forgotten again, you know. And like we've

480
00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:49.839
been saying this episode, e Sabad was intersectional in her activism.

481
00:30:50.359 --> 00:30:53.519
She defended women, immigrants, and the environment. Like whatever the

482
00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:57.680
cause she was, she stood behind it. Just before her death,

483
00:30:57.720 --> 00:31:00.960
she was preparing protest art against the Canadian company that

484
00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:03.799
was trying to open a copper mine in Sala Mayuka,

485
00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:08.119
south of where she was, not in the same place.

486
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:11.000
She also had told her friends that she felt like

487
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:13.759
she was being watched, and a lot of her art

488
00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:17.519
really focused on the eyes. She told her friends that

489
00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:21.000
she wanted to demonstrate they were all being watched. And

490
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:23.559
one of the murals that you could still find in

491
00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:27.440
Sia quad Is is a self portrait. There's flowers. I

492
00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:32.079
put the picture and I'll upload it, but there's flowers underneath,

493
00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:35.960
and then there's her head outlined by like a brighter

494
00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:40.559
greenish blue, but the eyes are missing. Yeah, and then

495
00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:44.680
behind that is purple and eyes everywhere. And then in

496
00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:48.880
the upper corner it says the Obzervan they are watching,

497
00:31:50.480 --> 00:31:55.079
which just feels I don't know, it's it's eerie, definitely,

498
00:31:55.680 --> 00:32:00.519
it's a powerful image. Yes, it really is, and so I.

499
00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:03.359
Saibed had been hanging out with her friends at Elhenno's

500
00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:08.599
bar in downtown Quadis on January eighteenth, twenty twenty, and

501
00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:12.400
just past midnight, she said goodbye to her friends and

502
00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:16.319
got on her old three speed road bike. She made

503
00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:19.599
it less than three blocks when a bullet hit her

504
00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:20.079
in the head.

505
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:20.640
Wow.

506
00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:23.119
And she was shot one more time in the chest.

507
00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:23.680
Wow.

508
00:32:24.279 --> 00:32:28.319
And this happened like again January eighteen, twenty twenty. By

509
00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:31.000
the time she died, there had already been more murders

510
00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:36.400
than days of the year. That is too much, sixty

511
00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:40.799
four murders to be specific. Her friends reported her missing

512
00:32:40.839 --> 00:32:43.400
the next day, but by the time they reported her missing,

513
00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:46.519
the police had already found her around three in the morning.

514
00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:49.519
So like, it all happened very fast that they found

515
00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:53.799
her and she was yeah. Found next to her bike

516
00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:56.680
on the floor. There was two bullet casings her bike

517
00:32:56.799 --> 00:33:01.319
was also fallen over because this was a Friday. So

518
00:33:01.359 --> 00:33:04.279
then the Saturday after her death, hundreds took to the

519
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:08.799
streets to protest, and then the following Sunday there was

520
00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:13.440
nationwide protests in all of Mexico calling for justice. And

521
00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:17.119
none of her close friends or family believe that police

522
00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:22.200
would properly investigate, Like when they were asked about like, oh,

523
00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:24.240
do you think they're going to solve this murder, they

524
00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:28.480
were like in this town, please like here, no one

525
00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:31.480
of them. We even said, like impunity is the law here,

526
00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:37.319
which you mentioned immunity earlier. And to this day her

527
00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:43.240
case remains unsolved, and on the anniversary of her murder,

528
00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:46.200
people still gather to call for justice, and on her

529
00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:49.960
birthday there's also like an annual bike ride for her

530
00:33:51.039 --> 00:33:55.359
to commemorate her. And like what makes us worse is

531
00:33:55.400 --> 00:33:59.440
like there was cameras near where she was found, and

532
00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:02.680
like they kept saying, well, there's cameras, hero, how do

533
00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:06.799
you not have like information? Because for such a long

534
00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:09.639
time there was no updates on her case at all,

535
00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:13.960
and so many believed that she was specifically targeted. And

536
00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:19.320
it feels very like very execution style, like a shot

537
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:22.559
teacher in her head. Yeah, yeah, and only twice. Like

538
00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:26.760
it feels to me like the show's targeted as well

539
00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:31.480
for her activism, probably right right. Five years after her

540
00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:34.320
death in June twenty twenty five, she wound by staying.

541
00:34:34.360 --> 00:34:39.960
Investigators searched three residences in what is from these three searches,

542
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:44.159
a fifty two year old man was arrested for firearm possession,

543
00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:48.679
but they never released like names, who was searched, Who

544
00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:51.400
this fifty two year old that was arrested, who he was?

545
00:34:51.880 --> 00:34:56.599
Nothing was ever made public and the only things her

546
00:34:56.599 --> 00:34:59.599
family and friends were made aware that the searches happened.

547
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:02.679
But again they don't know who, or well or.

548
00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:04.119
Any They don't know anything more than that.

549
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:09.840
Yeah, when these searches happened, her mom, Rena de Lare, said,

550
00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:13.480
we are happy because at last we see in advancement

551
00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:16.800
in my daughter's case, and it's in expectation we have

552
00:35:16.840 --> 00:35:21.519
in our soul that soon things will be resolved. And

553
00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:25.320
at first prosecutors told her that they believe these abil's

554
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:29.239
death was drag related, which she was like, she wasn't

555
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:30.400
involved in any of that, Like.

556
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:32.119
What do you mean that doesn't make sense?

557
00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:38.400
No, And she was the fifth woman murdered in twenty twenty,

558
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:41.519
but the same day her body was found, another woman

559
00:35:41.599 --> 00:35:44.880
was killed on Juannas Avenue. Wow, and this is the

560
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:48.920
street that leads to Basil Le Norte, to the Basila

561
00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:57.079
Norte part of entry to Basil in Texas. And I

562
00:35:57.159 --> 00:36:01.039
forgot to type this out, but this is like not

563
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:05.079
confirmed at all, but her friends specifically which link was it?

564
00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:11.719
Her friends are specifically wondering or curious about. There was

565
00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:16.719
an organization of like men's rights that were active on

566
00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:17.480
social media.

567
00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:19.280
They think that's linked.

568
00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:24.880
Yes, because the leader of this social media men's rights group,

569
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:32.800
that guy posted like a very weird and violent video

570
00:36:33.039 --> 00:36:37.000
like just like talking nonsense really on social media, talking

571
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:39.159
about like men's rights and like how women are all

572
00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:41.960
this and that and that. That guy posted that like

573
00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:47.679
just before she was found dead. And so her friends

574
00:36:47.719 --> 00:36:50.679
believe this is related. But there there's no like official

575
00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:54.760
correlation between the two. I mean, it wouldn't surprise me,

576
00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:58.599
not the first in cult type who's killed women like

577
00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:05.199
that other fellow here exactly, Yeah, masterful And actually that

578
00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:08.159
is how they described the group, like an insult type yeah,

579
00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:11.360
and sounds like any Yeah, both men's right activism is

580
00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:15.639
not really having anything to do with like any supposed

581
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:18.280
like injustices against men, you know. And now I say

582
00:37:18.280 --> 00:37:20.559
suppose it because in their eyes like things that are

583
00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:22.280
not actually issues or issues, you know what I mean.

584
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:25.840
Obviously there is issues that I'm in face, but most

585
00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:28.079
of those issues are caused by patriarchy itself, which they

586
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:31.000
would never admit, you know. Yeah, they just want to

587
00:37:31.079 --> 00:37:35.679
maintain control. Yeah, yeah, and so they think that that

588
00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:39.280
is involved. That wouldn't surprise me, It wouldn't, It really wouldn't.

589
00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:42.920
But yeah, to this day, it remains unsolved.

590
00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:43.440
Wow.

591
00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:49.840
And yeah, that was the a little bit about the

592
00:37:49.880 --> 00:38:00.519
Machila loas, the femicides and quatus and the case of cyber. Yes, well,

593
00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:04.000
I won't say it was a great episode because it's

594
00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:08.679
obviously hard subjects, but I did like all the context

595
00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:10.920
and because.

596
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:13.719
It's all tied together, you know, Yeah, it really is.

597
00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:18.480
And I think because of the marches that happened in

598
00:38:18.519 --> 00:38:25.280
Mexico every eighth March eighth, and because we are half Mexican,

599
00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:28.920
I focus a lot on Mexico in these episodes that

600
00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:32.760
we do about vemicience. But it's worth repeating that it

601
00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:36.480
is not Mexico alone, right, this is an issue across

602
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:41.800
all of Latin America and the United States. And actually,

603
00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:44.679
if you if anyone has listened to or goes to

604
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:49.159
listen to the women of Whatest episodes in that series,

605
00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:54.119
there was a mention there was like a retired FBI

606
00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:57.159
guy I remember his name, and I'm so sorry, but

607
00:38:57.400 --> 00:38:59.800
because this is off the tope of mine, but there

608
00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:01.880
was retired of BING guy who went to help them

609
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:06.559
when these women were found. And this guy FBI guy

610
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:12.039
theorized that like a certain number of the hundreds of

611
00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:15.039
women who were found in quadis like in those like

612
00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:17.599
a certain amount of years. He was like, this is

613
00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:23.360
an American serial killarassing into the border. And there was

614
00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:29.199
a some sort of Mexican like detective as well, or

615
00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:33.159
I don't remember what his position was who agreed with

616
00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:37.280
the FBI guy, but he thought it was someone local.

617
00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:40.239
But I don't think it's a stretch to believe that

618
00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:44.039
someone crossing frequently, even if they're American and not Mexican,

619
00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:49.239
would know the area very well. Because the Mexican investigator

620
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:50.920
was like, well, it has to be someone local who

621
00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:53.760
knows the area and knows where to leave. All these women,

622
00:39:54.519 --> 00:39:56.400
so he didn't agree that it was American, but he

623
00:39:56.440 --> 00:39:58.800
did think it was like this one circiller who did

624
00:39:58.840 --> 00:40:01.800
a bunch of these, but not because there's so many.

625
00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:06.760
And then the same podcast also theorizes that a lot

626
00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:12.400
of them were just like linked to cartel members doing this,

627
00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:15.760
even if the women themselves were not involved in the cartel.

628
00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:19.360
They were like seeking these women out as another but

629
00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:23.159
it could be both, you know. Yeah, Plus there's there

630
00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:32.440
was a lot of harassment and sexual assault from employers

631
00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:36.159
ad as macedels, so that's like an aspect that's tied

632
00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:43.119
to this as well. Yes, exactly exactly, So yeah, that was.

633
00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:47.599
This episode.

634
00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:54.199
Well, I bet repeating feminism saves lives and we should

635
00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:58.639
all be feminists because as long as we continue to

636
00:40:58.639 --> 00:41:01.519
live in rachismo and not fight against my chismo on

637
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:05.119
the patriarchy, then things like this will continue to happen. Actually,

638
00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:07.559
while we're here and your you just said that, I

639
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:10.000
want to add one thing that brought me so much

640
00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:14.000
joy to see was a video on Instagram and that

641
00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:17.920
I came across. Actually you send it to me that

642
00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:22.159
I came across that you sent to me, Carmen, Yes,

643
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:26.599
old Senoras, older senoras, all saying it was their first

644
00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:27.840
time at a.

645
00:41:28.360 --> 00:41:29.639
Women in their sixties.

646
00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:35.719
Yeah, at a protest Marso protests and yeah. I think

647
00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:38.079
there was like six of them in the video who

648
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:40.360
were all interviewed and they were like, yep, this is

649
00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:44.159
my first time and I'm here for and they all

650
00:41:44.199 --> 00:41:46.679
had different reasons, but yeah, they were all there and.

651
00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:48.079
One of them her daughter invited her.

652
00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:52.280
Yes, yeah, and that's that's.

653
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:54.400
Beautiful, beautiful m hm.

654
00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:58.199
So yeah. Other than that, we'll catch you next time

655
00:41:58.239 --> 00:42:02.760
with another very sad case but that we all need

656
00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:08.360
to know about, you know. So yeah, bye bye. As

657
00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:11.199
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658
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