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Hi, this is Christina and a Carman and it's Dooky
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Dookie season and this is the Spooky Tales, Yes, Dooky
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Dookie season version, as in like we're not doing anything different,
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We're actually back to normal right now, where we have
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a true crime case, well instead of it's your crime case,
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it's like a disaster case. Okay, and a hunted prison
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and it's a State of Mexico episode but also Dookie
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Dookie season. Yeah. Yeah, if you're watching the video, which
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will actually be on YouTube for once, we're matching. Yeah,
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but before we get into our topics, we do have
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a listener's story and if you have a story that
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have two that I keep forgetting to listen to. And yeah,
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We love reading them, so yes, send them are away, Yes,
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and okay, this listening story. It was sent from Instagram.
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I forgot to ask if they wanted to have their
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name shared or not, so we're going to keep them,
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keep them anon. Okay. My parents are from a town
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called Chappala, which is one of the many towns that
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border Mexico's biggest lake, Ilagod Chappala in the state of Halisko.
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This is important because it is said that the lake
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is known for having many UFO sidings submerging and emerging
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from the lake. In short, my mom and two other
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friends of hers were walking back home from a party
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along the road that surrounds the lake. The lake is
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surrounded by woods, hills, and small mountains, so it makes
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the night especially dark and eerie. This path was poorly lit.
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In fact, I think to this day it's still not
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very well lit. AnyWho. My mom saw a bright orbit
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come out of the lake and headed straight for them.
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Her two friends were unaware of what was happening, but
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this giant orb that was incredibly bright began to follow
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from behind. My mom has this thing where she gets
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paralyzed and can't talk whenever something scary is happening, so
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she stayed silent while it followed. After what seemed like
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a long time. My mom finally had the courage to
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say something to her friends, but by the time they
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turned around, the orbit was gone. How bizarre. Okay. Also,
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it could have been a witch, right right? What are
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we thinking? Orb witch? I think it was a witch.
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But why would they be coming in and out of
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the lake. They like to swim. Oh okay, they don't
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melt with water. No, okay, Well, thank you for your story.
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That was strange. Indeed, and instead of Carmen reading the
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panormal story, I'm going to do it witching it up. Yeah,
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because because it's tuk Tuki season. No, that's not why.
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Just because so we briefly talked about this place back
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in episode one hundred and thirty six, but we didn't
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do it justice back then. There is so much to
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this place that we didn't even address. There's more to share, yes,
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and so we're going to revisit it today. And that
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is That place is El Palacio de le Umberi, also
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known as El Palacio Negro, the Black Palace. It's located
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in Mexico City and today it houses the General National Archive,
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and so you can find like ayala, important documents, important things.
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They're all the important things. But before it was a
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general National Archive, from nineteen hundred to nineteen seventy six
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it was a penitentiary and it was decommissioned that year
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and turned over to the National Archive in nineteen eighty.
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And if you go today, it looked beautiful, but of
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course that was not always the case. It was built
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during the Portfitriato Portfidrat himself wanted it made, and that's
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tell you that this place was always going to be
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terrible because he specifically wanted to put his political opponents
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in there. Yikes. Also, it's a prison, right, it's a
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prison in the ninth early nineteen hundred. It's like they're
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bad today, Yeah, imagine back then. And so construction began
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May ninth, eighteen eighty five, and it officially opened on
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September twenty ninth, nineteen hundred. And the name Black Palace
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comes from before it was even open to prisoners, there
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was a sewage flood and it caused the walls of
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the building to darken, and that's why it's called black Palace.
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Doesn't that sound discussing? Yeah, like just setting foot in
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there is going to make you sick. Yeah, And soon
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after it began to house prisoners, earned their reputation for
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the prison that would make you go crazy, because well,
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the prison was designed by engineer Miguel Quintana, engineers plural
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Miguel Kana, Antonio Torres to Rica, and Antonio m emme Anta,
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and they designed it to be a panoptic prison. Do
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you know about this panoptic style? Yes, I do, And
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actually I've been hearing a lot recently, like different videos
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and whatever about the panopticon in like how nowadays people
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are like saying, like social media is like the panopticon
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because people are censorying and uh, surveilling themselves. It's fascinating her.
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I have seen themes around them videos like that. Yeah too.
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And for those that don't know, the panopticon originated from
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English philosopher and social theorist Jeremy Bentham in the eighteenth century.
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And while prison is already a place of oppression, this
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type of prison the worst. This type of prison is
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the ultimate system of control and surveillance. What does this like,
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you might be wondering. So this places a single prison
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officer in the middle, sort of like a watched the tower,
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and their prison itself is round. So this circular design
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is meant means that the prisoners are being watched at
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all times. The opening of the cell faces that watch
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tower in that round design. The inmates had no idea
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when or when they weren't being watched, because yeah, it's
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physically impossible for the guard to watch them all at once.
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But the point is to make them paranoid and make
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them think they're being watched, so then they self regulate.
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They can't they what is the thing you said earlier,
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surveiled themselves and sort of them Yes, yes, yes, surveil
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themselves and side note, but I watched a fascinating TikTok
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by doctor Shawna who was using this theory to basically say,
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elf on the shelf serves as a penectagon for toddlers.
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That's what I watched recently where I was talking about
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one of the videos I watched recently. Anyway, back to
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the prison, So it was built to hold nine hundred
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and ninety six people and this included it was like
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eight hundred men and then the rest were women and children,
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so like if my mom was arrested, their kid was
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arrested with them in that detained also, Yeah, and it
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had eight hundred four cells, but it was also meant
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to be a place of rehabilitation, so there was workshops
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and nursery, cooking classes, baking, life skills, stuff like that.
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But the bad thing is that it was all credited,
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and so if inmates took partook in these like rehabilitation
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style classes, they had to pay, and if they had
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no money to pay, then they had to serve more
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time of course. Yeah. Yeah. Also a lot of the
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men were subjected to more mistreatment than the women, and
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the women had more access to this type of stuff,
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So that makes sense to me too. Yeah, yeah, it's
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not it wasn't surprising to read that. But of course
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the prison was quickly overcrowded and the number of inmates
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rose to three eight hundred. There was a whole house
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one hundred and eighty or nine hundred and ninety something, dawn,
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nine hundred and eightty something, one hundred and ninety six, yes,
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thank you. And at first though, recrowding was slow and
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like there was three inmates per cell, but then it
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was like quickly twenty and maids per sell, all sharing
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one toilet and like two uts. So and when places
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become a recrowded, they become more dangerous, illnesses spread more.
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Prison authorities were not able to keep up with the maintenance,
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and it became more and more insanitary. And then on
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top of that, there was a food shortage and so
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many prisoners were starving. Colombian poet Alvardo Mutis wrote a
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book called The Diary of l. Kumberi, where he describes
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his time in prison in nineteen fifty eight. That's how
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I was there, and he said it was a very
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dangerous place, and mats were regularly beaten by the guards,
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and there was a lot of corruption. He was there
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in activity eight. That applies to the entirety of the prison.
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When inmates misbehaved, they were sent to punishment cells, which
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really were like solitary confinement, which has been proven time
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and time again to be like a human rights violation. Yeah,
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I repeat that. I think we've said it in other episodes.
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Maybe I don't remember. Anyway, these cells were cold, pitch dark,
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and had no toilets down. Also, one hundred and sixty
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of the student protesters of nineteen sixty eight, which some
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of you might recognize as a clate Lolco massacre. If not,
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that's something in hundred in Mexico in nineteen sixty eight.
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It was CIA backed and it is a huge topic
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for you, so it has a known our History podcast.
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But one hundred and sixty of the students were sent
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to Le Coumber, where they were abused mentally, physically and sexually.
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They were tortured, and some of them were never seen
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again after. Oh wow, I didn't know that inmates were
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sent to specific parts of the prison depending on their crime.
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Corridor J or ruata in Espanol it was designated for
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homosexuals and allegedly where And I don't know how true
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this is, but this is what a lot of the
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articles I already said, that's where the J slur in
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Spanish originated, really, because this corridor J was meant for
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all the gaze. Yeah, oh wow, I wonder how true
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that is. I read it in multiple articles about the prison,
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but I didn't go and look at the history of
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the word. So I should have because I was gonna say,
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I'm like, that's kind of messed up. And they put
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them there, you know, knowing the slur. But then I'm like, wait,
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what came first? That's wild, right, like the chicken or
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the egg. Yeah, and some of The more famous inmates
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included Juan Gabriel himself. Oh that's right, I remember seeing
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that in the Netflix segmentary. Yeah, h he was there.
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Leon Trotsky's murder helmet Ramon Merca del Rio way Spanish, Oh, Spanish,
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a Spanish spy for the Soviet Union killed him into
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that Mexico. Oh I was gonna say, wait, he was
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by a Mexican, no, by Spanish in Mexico City, Okay, gotcha, gotcha.
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And then he was placed in Legumberi also a Banjoviyeah.
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Oh yeah, So I mean you're going to get into it.
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But then, is this prison so operating? No, I said
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in the beginning, but what the houses the National arch
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Oh that's right, you did say that. Well why did
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it stop operating? Did you say that too, because I didn't. Yeah,
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in nineteen seventy six, okay, nineteen thirty six. Yeah, and
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then it was like they had to remodel it, reconstructed
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to make it not the prison anymore and be able
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to house the all these documents. Oh, okakay maybe maybe yeah.
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So yeah, it's stopped being a prison in nineteen seventy six.
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I think at some point I said from nineteen hundred
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to nineteen seventy six as well. Anyway, during the seventy
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six years that was an accented goship man. Sometimes I
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just gotta let you talk. Yeah, sometimes not all the time.
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During the seventy six years it served as a prison,
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only two people ever escaped successfully and alive. One of
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them the first Benchovilla himself slay. Yeah. Apparently he had
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someone bring him a hat and dark glasses, and he
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broke the bars of his cell and pretended to be
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a doctor, and in his doctor disguise he simply walked
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out the front door well in full transparency. Some sources
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say that he actually escaped from La Cartel Laco and
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not Lagumberri, and others said Lagumberre. So it's hard to
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know which one. And I tried to search for like
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what it's a definitive and like just as many said,
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was either one, so because he spent a time at both.
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And the only other person to have ever escaped successfully
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was an American, a green call a gringo h His
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name was Dwight Worker Worker. He was convicted of attempting
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to smuggle cocaine. I forgot I read somewhere else it
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was a ton of cocaine. Damn. I forgot to write
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it down, unfortunately, but yeah, a lot, a lot, And
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he was given a seven year sentence, and on December seventeenth,
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nineteen seventy five, just two years until a seven year sentence,
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he escaped by dressing up as a woman and just
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walking out. Interesting, Yeah, there's a whole book, but I
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did not have time to find the book and read
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it to see his full escape. And also it's not
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an episode about the escape, right, so I didn't look
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further into it. But that's like the basic version of it.
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He dressed as a woman and walked out. The third
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escape doesn't really count because he was recaptured. But they
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say that this third escape brought on the closure of
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the prison because the escape was embarrassing for the government,
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and then President Luis Echeveria ordered the prison to be
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closed after the escape. You've embarrassed me enough yet, Yeah,
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He's like, this place it needs to go, Yeah, gots
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to go. And so that escape. This escape happened in
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seventy six and it was Alberto Si Siria Falcon, a
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Cuban drug trafficker. He was arrested on the twenty third
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of June of nineteen seventy five and sent to Le Comberi,
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and ten months into his imprisonment he escaped. It turns
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out that he and his people had paid off a
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ton of people on the outside to make this happen. First,