Feb. 13, 2026

More Legends From Chihuahua and the Case of Edwin Miguel Juarez Palma

More Legends From Chihuahua and the Case of Edwin Miguel Juarez Palma
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More legends from Chihuahua and a case also from there, involving vampirism/satanism. For spooky recs, Carmen had none because she was busy reading Harvest of Empire and Now I Surrender. Cristina talked about One Battle After Another. 

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Hello, Hello, this is Christina and Carmen, and this is

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another episode of a Spooky Tells, the podcast for all

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things spooky, hunted, places, myths, legends, antro crime in Latin America.

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Today we have chi Wawa Part two. All right, this

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time three spooky stories and a true crime case. All right, Well,

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if you're not a PATRONT member at the lowest tier,

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you didn't hear us yap about Benito bole for thirty minutes.

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There was other things that were kind of actually like

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really depressing. Anyway, you missed that. You missed that, So

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let's get onto the topics, because also I forgot a

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listener story. Usually there's a listener story here. I didn't

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get one ready, I forgot, So we're just going to

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get into the topics. But normally, yeah, we read one here.

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And if you have a story that you want us

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to read in this segment that we normally read it in,

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then gmails dot com you can submit it on any

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of the socials. You can leave it as a comment

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and we'll read it any of those We love receiving them. Okay,

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and again we have legends from Chihuahua and then a

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case after all right, so our first legend from Chihuahua

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ISOs is the name of the legend, Yes, okay, Well,

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there are a couple of different legends called Lainos, both

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in El Serro Grande in the city of Chihuaua, and

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this location is called are Wakawi by the indigenous Daaumara

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and Serode by everyone else. Side note, I'm actually kind

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of topical that we're talking about Chiua because I'm currently

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reading Oh yeah, now it's surrendered and it's about what

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it's called the Pacha. But Chihuaua lands in Cha like

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that region southwest Mexico border basically. But anyway, back to

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the story. Oh my gosh, haral let me tell you

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what it means. I just looked it up. So it's

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a Raramuri word that is put together with Arewa and Kawi,

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which means alma and montagnah Serro the last almas wow okay, yes,

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like a mountainsoul, soul of the mountains, mountains, Alma, montagnata

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las almas okay. Interesting. The cave on this mountain is

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registered with the National Institute of Anthropology and History because

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there are prehistoric rock paintings inside. According to legend, if

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you blimp to the highest part of the hill and

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look southeast, red flags will appear on the horizon. If

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you wait for the sun to sit on those red

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flags at that very moment, there will be a majestic

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Chinese temple. But if you see them, you have to leave.

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You have to go down the mountain, but only only

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through the north slope, the side that faces the city,

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because if you go down the south side, then you

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will be sucked into the Chinese temple and disappear forever.

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I'm sorry, but I would not remember these sets of rules,

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and I would climb down the wrong side, and there

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I go. I had to be like, what is that saying, uh,

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never eat sour worms never, and then figure out which

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way to go, And then I still go the wrong way.

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It's a horrible sense of direction. We do, both of us,

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we do, we do, and so then that would be

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the end of us. Yeah, and apparently there has been

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There have been several cases of people disappearing off the mountain,

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which only contributes to the legend. Wow. The other version

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of like Casauschinos is much darker, especially because it's rooted

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in history. Oh, I'm sorry, but I'm sorry to say,

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but that's My favorite kind of legend, the very dark

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deperson ones, because there's a grain of truth and there.

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According to legend, a prominent Chinese family who worked in

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agriculture lived in Villa quads On in Serro Grande. They

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built their house away from the town because of racism

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towards Chinese people, which was huge in those times. Yep.

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So they were up there to be away from everyone.

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But then the Mexican Revolution broke out and a group

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of bandits arrived and killed the multi generational family and

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then hung their bodies on a huge tree that used

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to be in front of the house. Oh my god. Yeah.

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The other version of this is that the husband and

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the family or rived home to discover his wife was

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having an affair with another man. This drove him mad,

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which caused him to murder everyone in the house and

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then take his own life. And whatever version is true,

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everyone in the family was dead either way. I feel

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like the other the bandit version is true because famously

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they would rob like big houses and ranches and whatnot. Right,

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and it's in the note, you'll get into it. But

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a ton of Chinese people died during the Mexican Revolution. Oh,

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I didn't know that, but it doesn't surprise me. Yeah,

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and the house is real. It's about thirty seven minutes

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away from Chihuahua, and then you have to hike up

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this trail to reach it. Those who do the high

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caraporta seene shadows and have ever heard and have heard

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sounds on the trail like footsteps behind them, only for

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them to turn and see no one when they reach

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the house. It has a heavy feel to it. People

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have also reported disembodied screams inside, and there's also holds

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all over the house because according to legend, there is

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a treasure buried somewhere in their property. I no one

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has found it, of course, and they're not going to

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and if they do, they're gonna lose their mindend. Yeah,

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that's part of it. So I just figured. One day,

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an older retired format told his kids and grad kids

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about his encounter in La Casa Chinos when he was young,

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not long after the disappearance of the original inhabitants of

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the mansion, the Chinese family. He was in charge of

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hurting cattle and he had to pass by the house.

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As he walked by, he suddenly felt an intense pain

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all over his body. Then he heard a spectral cry

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and a voice that screened for him to leave the property,

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which he did as soon as he could, which, of course,

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yeah right, but he had to keep working and passing

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by this place while hurting cattle. I guess you gotta

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make a living, not me. One afternoon, while leading the

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horses to pasture, he came across dozens of vipers that

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appeared in his path. This caused the horse to rear up,

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throwing him backward just a few meters from where the hissing,

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venomous snakes were. As he tried to get up, he

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looked for something to lean on to help him stand,

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but when he looked again toward where the snake had been,

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they had disappeared, leaving only a pile of dry branches

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in their place. Oh that one is odd, because yes,

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he heard the hauntings from the house, But these snakes,

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these disappearing snakes, that's that's weird. Yeah. And the thing

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that makes this legend really dark is that it's rooted

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in real history. During the Mexican Revolution, on May fifteenth,

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nineteen eleven, revolutionary forces took over the city of Torrion

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in Guawela and killed the Chinese population of the city. Yeah,

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the Torion massacre, it's in my topic list forray story

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has unknown okay people for that episode at some point

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in the future. At some point and in the following days,

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three hundred more Chinese were killed, and this kind of

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violence against Chinese people continued during the war. In nineteen sixteen,

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at least two hundred and nine Chinese people were killed

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in the state of Chihuaua, which is the time period

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that this legend takes place. So wow, that's dark man

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and I yeah, I don't remember when I learned about

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the Torion massacre, and again very vaguely, but I remember

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seeing it on our topic list. Yes, yeah, it's on there.

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But yeah, I didn't know about it. I didn't realize

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that the massacre was against Chinese people, mm hmm. Yeah,

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who have been in Mexico for a very very very

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long time, for a long time. And I learned that

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from the history of the bor Patrol book. They were

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the first started by por Patrol. So yeah, they were

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kicked out from the United States because that's what started

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por Patrol. Yeah. Por Patrol stemmed from the what are

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they called Chinese the mount something. They were basically created

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just to find Chinese people to report them. Yeah. Yeah,

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and then they would take them to Mexicans. Learn about yeah,

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which you can learn about on our series of Border

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Patrol on Estoya Unknown. Yeah. Yeah, and so I about that. Yes,

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And our next legend is Lenovia de Santa Elalia. Santa

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Oulalia is a mining town just over thirty kilometers from

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the state capital with just over twenty thousand inhabitants, and

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was founded more than three hundred years ago, since the

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Bussillo's mine was opened between seventeen hundred and seventeen thirty. Wow,

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that's a long time ago. Yeah, And so this is

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where the story takes place. According to legend, there was

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a couple. They were so in love and were about

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to get married. Sounds happy, everything was ready. The bride

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and groom had been together for a while and wanted

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to continue their lives together. Then their wedding day came,

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but it was not one of joy. On that day,

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a mysterious man, armed and on horseback, very much in

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the style of the revolutionaries of the Mexican Revolution, violently

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kidnapped the woman and took her far away from everyone.

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The townspeople learned that he had her living in the

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cave and the local mind. While all their attempts to

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rescue her did not work. Some time passed and no

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one heard about the girl or the man that took her.

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Legend says that he murdered her and then fled the town,

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which is why her soul is found wandering in the

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abandoned caves of the mind. If you come across her,

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she will plead with you, begging for help, and then

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become angry because she's so desperate to find her way

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back to the town's sad and that was a thing

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they kidnapped. Oh yeah, soo many people were like asking

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their grandparents how they got married or whatever, and they're like, oh,

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it was miserable. What My coworker told me that her

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grandma was stolen by her grandpa. That's crazy. Yeah, And

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I remember I watched the video in a current video

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like not too long ago, of a younger woman interviewing

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like older women like on the street, and I forgot

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why she asked her.

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But that woman, it's like an older woman but she's

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not too old and her husband stole her.

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Yeah, I'm like that's just wild. Yeah, Okay, So our

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next legend is El Kuro de Santa Again. The story

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begins in the first half of the seventeenth century somewhere

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in Spain, when Edraskemo Nunias leaves his homeland for what

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was then called the New World or Nova Spa. The

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reasons why Nunia's left Spain very according to different versions

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of the legend, some saying he was fleeing because he

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committed murder or because he was wanted by the authorities

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for other crimes, but it's possible. Like many Spaniards at

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the time, he left for what is now Mexico in

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search of riches and a new life. After arriving at

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the port of Veracruz, fate brought Erasmo Nunez to the

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Reno de Viscaya, which extended north of New Spain or

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today are the states of Chihuaua and Durango and parts

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of Texas and New Mexico, also known as Apacheria. I

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didn't know that, Yeah, did you learn that from the

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book you reading now? I surrendered, Yeah, yeah, I sure did.

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Back then, Santa Eulalia was an important mining center where

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large quantities of silver were extracted. It was therefore the

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ideal destination for anyone seeking to make a fortune in

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this town. Nunias amassed his wealth. According to some accounts,

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he did so legally by establishing his own mind, which

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he painstakingly built up. According to some accounts, so what's

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the other one? Right? Right? Other versions claim he enriched

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himself through robberies and scams. Oh, robberies and scams, okay.

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And still others say he became wealthy through a pact

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with the devil. That's what I was waiting for. All

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accounts agreed that he became a wealthy man. And that's

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where one way or another, yeah, uh say it or not? Yeah,

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And that's where his nickname el Kuro comes from. A

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word oh that means work or scam, interesting, and it

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was used to describe someone rich. And Elkuro didn't hide

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his wealth. He dressed elegantly and flamboyantly. Of course he did.

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At some point in his life, Elcuro hit a large

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quantity of gold and silver in an abandoned mine shaft

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in the rugged mountains surrounding. Why do you think he

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did that just for fun? He's like, I have so

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much gold, I'm gonna He's like, they're going to make

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legend of this later, So I have to do this,

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that's what he thought. He just to get in ahead. Yeah,

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you're right. And yeah, mountains surrounding Santa Eulalia. And I

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guess it's because he trusted no one, Okay, So he

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had to hide his money. And then he went on

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a journey back to Spain to see his family and

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bringing back an air or someone to help him manage

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his businesses. Oh, he was gonna steal his wife. Okay, yeah,

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I guess. I don't know they did that over there. No,

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I don't know. I had to come from somewhere. I

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don't know. But he never made it to Spain. That

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was a long journey. Yeah, yeah, like coming and going.

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That was a risk every time, if you were going

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to make it or not. And now today in Santa Ulalia,

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he can be seen roaming the cobblestone streets. To those

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who have the misfortune of encountering El Kuro, he offers

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to them the location of his treasure under one condition. Okay,

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they had to fulfill a vow. That doesn't sound too bad, Well,

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wait till you hear the vow. The vow consists of

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praying for him in the church of his hometown in Spain. Okay,

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so you have to go to Spain. So doesn't sound

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that bad. Huh hmm a little bit. But others say

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the vow is much more terrible. Anyone who wants to

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obtain Elkuro's treasure would have to sacrifice her eldest son. Okay,

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but what if your eldest son kind of sucks? No,

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I'm just kidding. Well, you can do it, no qualms

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about it. In return, he would reveal the location of

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the enormous fortune hidden in one of the many hills

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surrounding the small community of Santa Laia. Okay, something to

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ponder on if you're gonna do it, And listeners tell us,

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would you sacrifice your eldest I wouldn't. I wouldn't. Well,

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Matto is God to give to earth. He's he's literally

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me bendon no literally literally what they call him. He's sure,

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that says Lavendission. He worried to the first day of kindergarten,

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and now Sammy wears a shirt because that's my other mendisio. Okay, Well,

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thank you for sharing those stories from Chihuahua. And we're

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going to take a little break here and then we'll

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be back with the true crime case. And we're back

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and I present to you today the case of Edwin

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Miguel is Palma. On March first, twenty sixteen, at six

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thirty in the morning, the radio operator of the Chihuahua

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State Police Investigation Division received a call about two black

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plastic bags in the middle of Segunda and Manuel do

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Blado streets, and so police were sent to the scene,

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where they quickly uncovered the nature of the bags. It

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was the remains of a man with facial injuries clear

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signs of blunt force trauma. He also had visible wounds

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at the base of his neck. Oh my. The young

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man was discovered to have been twenty four year old

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Edwin Miguel Juarez Balma, known as Biwa to his friends

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and family. He worked in La Plaza de la Technologia

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and La Libertad in Chihuahua. And what followed was a

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seventy two hour investigation and when it was over, what

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came of it seemed to be straight out of a

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horror movie, but like worse because it was real. Oh

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my god. Yes. So it turns out that Edwin was

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lured to a cyber cafe called freak Shop by So,

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I don't like that doesn't seem like a normal name

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for us. Cybercafe things were names over there like if

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they are flish, they never makes sense. Yeah, So this

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cyber cafe was called Freak Shop, and he was told

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to meet four of his friends there and these four

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were eighteen year old Yvett Lopez, eighteen year old Gustavo Dorantes,

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and then Omar Sanchez and Caleb Joseph Acosta Loerra. They

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were both twenty five. Freak Shop was owned by Omar,

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who went by Osiris. That was his nick nickname. Can't

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be good, no right, red flag already And that's all

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I could find on the Freak Shop, the Freak Shop

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that it was a cyber cafe owned by Osiris Omar,

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and they hung out there frequently because he was an owner.

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But like I'm wondering, what was it? The core situation

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was the freaky I don't know, we don't know. And

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all five of them were kind of like Emo, a

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little Ammo, a little Emo like if you were to sell,

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if you were to see them, you would be like, yeah,

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little other. Well, yes, they have the look which a

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lot of people do you know. Yeah, So it wasn't

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out of the ordinary for Edwin to have gone to

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the freak shop to hang out there with them like

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he was called to do on February twenty ninth, twenty sixteen.

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Like they called him like, hey, come hang out with us. Yeah,

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they were like, hey, come on, yeah, we're all over here.

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And it seems that this particular day he was told

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that he could finally join THEIRLT Oh my god, they

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had a cold. They called it a cold. Wow. Those

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equals to Baffo Met. They know that cults are bad, right,

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Oh my god, what they do to him? They did

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this him, didn't they. I just gone, I know, I

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know the truth. Yeah, okay, and I'm sure that a

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lot of our listeners know, but for those that don't.

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Befo Met is associated with Satanism or like Satanic imagery.

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He's usually depicted as having like the head of a

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goat with few horns, the body of a man, goat

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feet whatever they're called hoofs, I don't know, and sometimes

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wings and really Buffomet is supposed to be an androgenous

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human goat hybrid that represents the concept of perfect equilibrium.

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Oh by who or what? This what is what he is? Oh?

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But who made this imagery?

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You know?

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Well, it dates back to the fourteenth century. Okay. Also

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represents the reconciliation of opposites and esoteric knowledge. Okay, and

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Bafomet first shows up all the way back in the

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fourteenth century when the Knights Templar was accused of worshiping

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Bafomet as a demonic idol.

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Wow.

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So he the demonic allegations day back to the fourteenth

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century for Buffomet, yes, wow, And this is what these

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group of friends call themselves, the sons of Buffomet. I'm

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just gonna say, if your friends are in a colt

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and they're like, you can finally be part of a cult,

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just run. I don't know, I'm just getting where this

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is going. Yeah. And so Edwin was probably excited that

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because he allegedly wanted to be part of their so

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called cult. I just don't know how four people can

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call them the cult. But whatever, I feel like it

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needs to be more people. Every group starts out somewhere.

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You know what, You're right, You're right. Every group was

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one just one person. No, you're right. I was gonna say,

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shut up. Okay. So he went and when he got

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to the freak shop. The friends were waiting there for

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him with plastic bags. Well, I mean they told him

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that they had to do a ritual for him to

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be initiated into the cult, and they left out that

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this ritual involved him dying. Oh my god, I just

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like I want to know what the hell was wrong

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with them and why they thought they needed to do this. Like,

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I don't understand what year was this, twenty sixteen, Okay,

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I just want to double check twenty sixteen, Yeah, just

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to see if it's like you could justify it by

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what year it is or I'm just it didn't make

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sense if it was like eighty years ago. I just

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needed to know.

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I needed to remember.

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So when he arrived, they took him to the bathroom,

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they tied his hands behind his back some sorts of say.

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He sat in a chair and they tied him to

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the chair. Then Ibeth, Gustavo, and Omad proceeded to beat Edwin.

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They hit him, kicked him, and it just escalated from

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their Ebed used a broken glass bottle to stab Edwin

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in the neck. Then they hit him some more and

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then Omad strangled him to death. For some reason, they

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believed that Edwin would return as a vampire to help

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their cold. This is what I'm saying. I need to

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know what was going on in their brains for this

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to have Why did they think this? Yeah, I don't,

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I don't yeah, yeah. And so when Edwin didn't return

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to life as a vampire, they panicked. They wrapped ed

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one up in two black bags, taped him up, and

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put him in their car, then dumped him in the

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middle of the street. Some sources said a bench, a

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public bench either way, they went and put him out

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out there and you know, dumped his body. And so

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I guess they thought police would find the remains and

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then blame one of the many cartels operating in Mexico.

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I mean, I guess that makes sense. M and so

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they thought they could get away with murder by blaming

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organized crime. And of course that's not what happened. Police

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actually did their job. They got an anonymous tip telling

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them about these four. Oh my god, I want to

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know who that was. It's anonymous, but yeah, I wish

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we knew. And so this led to the arrest of

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the three. Galip, the first one that I mentioned, he

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wasn't there when Edwin was murdered, but police were searching

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for him because apparently he was the orchestrator of what

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mm hmm, and he was like, oh, this is going

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to go stud let me bounce as yeah something, because

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he wasn't there and he was actually not participating in

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the murder either, he just like planned it. So lisaid,

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Omada and Gustavo A told police the same thing, that

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they thought Edwin would come back as a vampire, and

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that they had Edwin's consent for the ritual, and this

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is the motive they stuck with, but there might have

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been like other reasons. It turns out that Omada nived

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had gone into some sort of fight with Edwin and

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they never really made up from that fight. And I

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don't know what that fight was about. What could be

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so serious for this the outcome, No, truly, I don't know, wow,

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whatever the case was, all three said that Calib instructed

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them to sacrifice Edwin on the behalf of the cult,

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so he thought he was joining the colt, but they

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the whole time were instructed by Glib to sacrifice Edwin.

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So then this vampire thing, which is bullshit. They knew.

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I think they just saifing him for the colt. Yeah,

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and it's not clear if Calib told them like, oh, well,

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you need to sacrifice him on behalf of the cold

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so he can't come back and help the colt. But

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either way, he told them to do it, you know,

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like allah Charles Manson, Like where Manson was telling them

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to go kill people, but he wasn't doing the killing.

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This seems like a similar situation because Calip didn't do

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anything himself. He told them to do it and they

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listened for some reason, for some odd reasons. Yeah, after

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they dumped Edwin's remains in the street, they returned to

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freak shop and they tried to clean the evidence away.

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But when the anonymous witness called gave their information about

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this so called cult, investigators went straight there with the warrant.

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They found evidence of the crime still in the bathroom.

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So Ybed, Gustabo, and Omad were arrested on March four,

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twenty sixteen, and Galib was arrested on March seventh, is

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when they found him. Iybeth and Omad were both sentenced

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to twenty one years in twenty seventeen for being the

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ones who had done the murder, and Calib and Gustavo

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were sentenced to thirteen years themselves for assisting or planning

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the homicide of Edwin. And during the trial, even more

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strange information about Ybed was uncovered. She had a secret

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Facebook account like finstaba Facebook, fake book, fake book. Yeah.

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This account was under the name Lenor Malina and in

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it she describes herself as a police officer in training.

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Her cover photo was a heart with the words in

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a relationship with Satan. She also had pictures with Satanic

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imagery and Nazis. Wow mm hmmm one of her older

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cover photos. Because you know how Facebook would create an

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album of your cover photos. I don't know if it

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still does it. So one of her older cover photos

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was like the Last Supper, only the twelve Disciples were

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covered in blood. What and where Jesus normally sits, there

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was like a Satanic figure sitting there and Jesus was

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laid out on the table dead. The blasphemy satanic blasphemy.

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But yeah, no really wow, yeah weird. And then on

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her Facebook walk people used to write on people's walls

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and so on her Facebook wall there was there was

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posts like it is Mirda, You're a piece of shit.

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Another one saying, quote, I don't have I don't have

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words to describe something like you, because calling you a

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person would be too much, And then another one quote,

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this awful thing who calls herself a Nazi was responsible

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for Pu's murder. Her and the others will rot in jail.

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End quote Wow, which gives us a hint to their ideology.

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I think these seemed like they were bad people because

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it's it was seen based on her profile that there

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was some sort of admiration for Nazis. Yeah, yeah, so yeah,

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Also they killed someone prior to that. Yeah, this did

449
00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:58.519
not counting that. Yeah, yeah, no, I see what you're saying. Yeah,

450
00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:04.200
also like but yeah. As for Edwin, Cafe three forty,

451
00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:06.519
the cafe he used to work at, they warned him

452
00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:09.519
by placing a black ribbon on their door. His former

453
00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:11.720
co worker said that he was an honest person who

454
00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:14.599
tried to keep out of trouble and that his interest

455
00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:18.200
in vampires was just a hobby and nothing more. That's

456
00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:20.880
so sad because he was like an emo. He probably

457
00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:25.519
trusted his friends because they were like him, and he

458
00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:27.720
just wanted to meet people like him. Then they go

459
00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:30.559
and do this shit to him. That's crazy, No, one

460
00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:34.359
hundred percent agree. After his funeral, his sister wrote, quote,

461
00:29:34.400 --> 00:29:36.000
don't be sad. I know it hurts that he's no

462
00:29:36.039 --> 00:29:38.400
longer with us. He's my brother and we're his family,

463
00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:41.559
and hurts us more than anyone, but we have something

464
00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:44.559
that comforts us. He always had words for us when

465
00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:47.519
we fell down, words of encouragement. I know as a

466
00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:49.640
sister that he wouldn't have wanted us to be so

467
00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:53.359
sad about his departure, and that kind of just speaks

468
00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:56.240
to the type of person he was. His friends were

469
00:29:56.240 --> 00:29:58.880
probably just fucking assholes who were looking to bully and

470
00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:02.079
mess with someone who was actually like a nice person,

471
00:30:02.319 --> 00:30:04.640
and they were like taking advantage of him. That's so sad.

472
00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:05.599
Yeah, yeah.

473
00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:10.920
And Edwin's family in France reject the prosecutors claimed that

474
00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:14.759
there was some sort of satanic or vampiric ritual that

475
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:17.240
played a part in his murder. They don't believe that

476
00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:20.240
he would have willingly been part of a cult, and

477
00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:23.599
they stated that there's discrimination towards young people who dress

478
00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:27.240
in black, who used tattoos and piercens like Edwin did,

479
00:30:28.160 --> 00:30:31.440
and they're not wrong. They held at least one march

480
00:30:31.640 --> 00:30:35.720
to express their concerns about the narrative that the prosecutors

481
00:30:35.839 --> 00:30:40.039
were telling, and at some point there was a Facebook

482
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:43.839
page called Tribute to Piwa that said more about him,

483
00:30:44.079 --> 00:30:45.880
Like where we could I could have like maybe learned

484
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:48.359
more and shared more about who he was, but I

485
00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:52.319
couldn't find it. I couldn't find it. I tried searching

486
00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:57.240
for a long time. And yeah, so unfortunately there's like

487
00:30:57.400 --> 00:31:00.640
just not a lot of information about him that we

488
00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:05.720
could share, just what I shared. But yeah, that was

489
00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:09.039
the case of you Wa. I'm glad that his family

490
00:31:09.400 --> 00:31:14.640
is like speaking out and setting up for Edwin and

491
00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:17.400
for the emos, because I was gonna say, like, I

492
00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:22.119
feel like this group pushed back, not push back. They

493
00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:25.880
fell into the stereotype. They set back. That's what I'm

494
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:28.160
looking for. Thank you so much. With our half of

495
00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:31.960
brain cell, we can do anything. But yeah, they set

496
00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:38.200
back even further the stereotype of emos as evil satanic worshippers,

497
00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:42.799
and who knows what was even true about that, but

498
00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:47.119
they're definitely not helping the images of emos in the

499
00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:52.279
image of emos in Mexico. Yeah, yeah, they made it worse.

500
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:55.079
And yeah, I'm glad that his family was like trying

501
00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:58.599
to fight that narrative. And yeah, I mean a lot

502
00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:02.160
of people loved him. It's very clear from his sister's

503
00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:07.599
message and the coworkers mourning him. So yeah, just a

504
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:10.000
young life loss, and he trusted the wrong people and

505
00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:18.000
these wrong horrible Nazi loving goth that's so it feels

506
00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:22.839
so quick, like yes, thank you goth or Emo. Sorry,

507
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:25.200
I don't know, don't come, don't fight me. I know

508
00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:29.720
there's a difference, hence the famous goth emo war or

509
00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:33.519
was it punk emo? I don't remember in Mexico City. Yeah,

510
00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:39.720
I think it was goth and emos. I think it was. Yeah. Anyway,

511
00:32:39.880 --> 00:32:41.440
I know there's a difference. I don't know it. So

512
00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:45.720
I forgot what I was saying before. I'm actually not sure.

513
00:32:46.119 --> 00:32:53.640
I don't remember either anyway that was the case. Well maybe, yes, yes,

514
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:56.359
we'll take a break here and come back with the

515
00:32:56.839 --> 00:33:08.960
spooky recommendations which we may or may not have, and

516
00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:12.880
we're back. Do you have a spooky recommendation? I do

517
00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:17.440
not same. I don't know what I've been doing. I've

518
00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:22.680
been listening to the Harvest of Empire and reading Now

519
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:26.599
I Surrender. I haven't really I started watching the Urbs

520
00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:28.519
but I'm like, I watch it when I eat, and

521
00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:30.400
I guess I don't take the long eating anymore, or

522
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:32.480
I've eaten a rush. Well, I eat a rush because

523
00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:34.599
I eat right before we record it, and that's when

524
00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:37.880
I started watching it yesterday. Yesterday, So I think I

525
00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:40.559
have like twenty minutes into the first episode. This is

526
00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:44.039
the show with Keith Palmer. Yeah, I was thinking about

527
00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:46.680
watching that. How was the first twenty minutes so far? Well,

528
00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:51.039
just setting things up, so but it was good so far. Interesting, Okay,

529
00:33:51.400 --> 00:33:53.960
there's a lot of like, I don't know you call

530
00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:57.880
it character actors. Maybe I don't remember her name, but

531
00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:00.599
they're like I recognized a lot of them. I'm en

532
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:02.960
sure you would recognize them to like the neighbors, the

533
00:34:03.079 --> 00:34:04.880
people who play Oh, you know who's in it? Actually

534
00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:09.639
Nate from the Office, Oh my god, I love him. Yeah,

535
00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:13.039
he's one of the neighbors. Also call in from what

536
00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:15.639
We're do in the Shadows. Yeah, yeah, he's one of

537
00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:19.800
the neighbors. And then oh, one of the other ladies,

538
00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:21.960
who's a neighbor. Oh, I don't know if you watched

539
00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:25.920
ever watched Wine Country on Netflix. I heard about it,

540
00:34:25.960 --> 00:34:29.920
but I never saw it. I love that movie. But

541
00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:33.800
one of them is one of the neighbors too, the

542
00:34:33.880 --> 00:34:37.199
one who's a lesbian in one country. Okay, if you

543
00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:38.559
watch it, then you'll know who I'm talking about. I

544
00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:40.480
don't know name. Yeah, well I'll have to watch it

545
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:42.679
so I know who you're talking about. Yeah, it's a

546
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:47.920
good movie. No, I'll definitely check it out at some point.

547
00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:53.360
I well, okay, I went to go see I went

548
00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:56.239
to go watch one bet after another because I had

549
00:34:56.360 --> 00:34:58.840
Actually I went on and on about it on last Patreon.

550
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:02.039
You did, right, Yeah, I did. I remember you talking

551
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:04.000
about it, but I remember when or what it was

552
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:06.480
when you were going to decide what movie to watch. Yes,

553
00:35:06.559 --> 00:35:09.360
I was trying to decide what OSCAR nominated movie to

554
00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:13.000
watch because my local theater had like them running. However,

555
00:35:13.239 --> 00:35:17.119
I mistakenly switched dates in my brain when I look

556
00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:19.000
these tickets up, and I actually missed the ones I

557
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:21.360
wanted to see, and so the only one left to

558
00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:23.960
see was One Battle after Another, the one you said

559
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:24.840
you weren't going to go watch.

560
00:35:25.719 --> 00:35:25.920
Yeah.

561
00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:28.639
Yeah, And I mean I heard good things about it,

562
00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:32.000
and you know, part of me did want to see

563
00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:36.400
it anyway, because Regina Hall is Na and so is

564
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:40.639
Tiana Taylor. I feel like you told me Regina King before. Sorry,

565
00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:44.559
I confuse their names all the time. I met Regina Hall. Yeah,

566
00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:48.159
I just like the Regina King. Oh that's Regina Hall

567
00:35:48.199 --> 00:35:50.760
in it though I love Regina Hall. Yes, Regina Hall's

568
00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:53.519
in it, And so I was gonna go check it

569
00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:58.320
out for those reasons alone. Also Benthio and and I

570
00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:01.079
had first I have seen in n show reactions. Obviously

571
00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:03.400
it's an OSCAR nominated movie, Like you would think, this

572
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:07.360
is a really well made movie. And movies are good. No,

573
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:09.079
that's true. Some of them are like kind of like,

574
00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:13.079
I don't know, boring, and they're try hard like they're

575
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:20.199
obviously obviously. Yeah. Yeah, so I was like I did.

576
00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:22.679
I went to go see it, and I had seen

577
00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:24.840
initial talks about it when it first came out of

578
00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:30.320
people saying this movie was a revolutionary movie, like about revolution.

579
00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:33.280
Mm hmmm, So what is it about? Give me the

580
00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:34.800
plot line? I think you told me before, but I

581
00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:37.320
forgot about. Okay, well, let me let me read you

582
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:40.000
the actual like plot line that is given No, just

583
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:41.039
the top of your head.

584
00:36:41.559 --> 00:36:51.440
No, please, fine, why did you say I wanted you

585
00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:52.239
to just tell me.

586
00:36:57.159 --> 00:37:05.679
Okay, please please, didn't funny.

587
00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:06.119
It was dumb.

588
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:12.679
No, it was just dumb. When their enemy resurfaces after

589
00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:16.599
sixteen years, a group of ex revolutionaries reunite to rescue

590
00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:20.199
the daughter of one of their own, which is Regina.

591
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:26.280
Leonardo DiCaprio's doctors make Asia Regina. No, she's one of

592
00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:28.920
the X Revolutionaries. Oh okay, okay. And for the reason

593
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:30.960
why I think it was based on actually something, it's

594
00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:34.599
not right. It's a conveye up completing thing. Yeah, yeah, okay,

595
00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:38.960
although I will say it's from what I would say

596
00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:46.360
that the Tana Taylor's character, which is oh, Perfidia Beverly Hills,

597
00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:50.840
it's her name. She seems to very be very clearly

598
00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:54.639
be based on a Sata occur. Okay, I think I

599
00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:56.440
heard that, and that's why I thought it was based

600
00:37:56.480 --> 00:38:01.280
on like something. I think so, yeah, And you would

601
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:04.199
think for someone based on her she it would be

602
00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:09.119
like better done. Because this is okay again, this is

603
00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:12.360
my feelings about it. Other people raved about it. The

604
00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:14.679
first twenty minutes of the movie was very hard for

605
00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:18.639
me to watch. The first thirty minutes, twenty twenty minutes,

606
00:38:18.760 --> 00:38:20.920
we're very difficult to watch. This is where we're setting

607
00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:24.360
up like the revolution when it was happening that Perfidia

608
00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:28.480
is the leader in one of the leaders of this revolution,

609
00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:31.800
and she comes from a long line of revolutionaries, and

610
00:38:32.679 --> 00:38:35.639
I could see she was clearly based on Asatsa Shakur,

611
00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:43.639
like the parallels are there. But Perfidia is like hyper

612
00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:47.239
sexual and I mean, I guess this could be perceived

613
00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:51.639
as like she is a strong, independent black woman who

614
00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:57.039
has agency over her sexuality, of course, and maybe this

615
00:38:57.239 --> 00:38:59.400
was supposed to be a celebration of that, But to

616
00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:03.559
me was like, this is hyper sexualization. I didn't care

617
00:39:03.679 --> 00:39:06.440
for it, like very melgazy or what.

618
00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:07.880
Yeah.

619
00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:13.239
Yeah, like she's like in places where no one would

620
00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:16.079
be horny, she was horny for It's like she was

621
00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:21.760
like horny for the revolution. Which fine, okay, fine that

622
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:26.480
if that, Uh, I don't know what's saying this. I

623
00:39:26.559 --> 00:39:28.440
forgot it. Like it's like not to put my tongue

624
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:30.360
rocks your boat. I don't know if that's what I

625
00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:36.440
was gonna saying. Sucks. Oh yeah, there you go. Yeah, yeah, fine, okay,

626
00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:38.679
but I didn't need to see it again and again

627
00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:45.760
and again. Really, So there's a part where Leonardo DiCaprio's character,

628
00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:49.639
Bob is he's like the ammunitions guy for the revolution, okay,

629
00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:55.000
and he's with Perfidia. Oh, they're together, but so he's

630
00:39:55.079 --> 00:39:57.800
like blowing something up. It's just going through, like them

631
00:39:58.360 --> 00:40:01.000
doing the revolution. It's the first one. So we see

632
00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:05.039
him and her like planning this thing and he sets

633
00:40:05.320 --> 00:40:07.840
like a bomb off and they're trying to run away

634
00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:09.960
from the bomb, but she's like, let's have sex right now.

635
00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:12.880
And it's like and they're trying to run away, Okay,

636
00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:15.280
I don't Yeah, that kind of stuff I forgot. I

637
00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:18.000
don't remember what book it was my friend was telling

638
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:20.599
me about. And she's like they're running away from the

639
00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:23.519
murderer and then then they're horny and they just do

640
00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:25.559
it and I'm like, you're running for your life right now,

641
00:40:26.559 --> 00:40:29.639
like be realistic about it. Yeah. There's another part where

642
00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:33.679
he's explaining how they have to detonate this bomb and

643
00:40:33.800 --> 00:40:36.599
he she's not even paying attention because she's like so horny,

644
00:40:38.119 --> 00:40:45.039
and it's like pay attention, yes, girl, And sorry, there's

645
00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:47.760
like spoilers in this branch of mind about one battle

646
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:52.079
after another because so then she ends up pregnant and

647
00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:58.800
somewhere in the first like Revolutionary Act, they come across

648
00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:02.199
Steven locke Jaw, who is Sean Penn's character. Whe every

649
00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:04.519
time he's on screen, I was like, yeah, of course

650
00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:09.519
he was disgusting, naturally. Yeah, But once you get past

651
00:41:09.559 --> 00:41:11.760
this twenty because then so then all that happens in

652
00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:13.599
the first twenty minutes, those are the first twenty minutes.

653
00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:17.159
What the fuck, I'm not watching it. And then Pervidia

654
00:41:17.559 --> 00:41:20.440
Pavidia leaves to Mexico and that's it. That's the only

655
00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:23.679
part she's in the movie. Oh really, Yeah, And so

656
00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:26.840
then we cut to like years have passed, and now

657
00:41:26.920 --> 00:41:30.960
that baby that she left is like sixteen or seventeen, seventeen,

658
00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:37.440
maybe seventeen, and it's her and Bob and their Sean

659
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:40.519
Penn's character, at the same time has finally been able

660
00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:46.000
to join like some secret white organized Christian organization that

661
00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:49.159
is like the shadows of like the government, and he's

662
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:51.960
like very proud to have been invited to be part

663
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:56.239
of this. But they uncover that he might have a

664
00:41:57.559 --> 00:41:59.400
what they call, I don't know they use them really

665
00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:02.599
meant word, but like a mixed race child, and so

666
00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:05.000
he's like they can't find this. He doesn't know that

667
00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:08.360
they know, and so he makes up some reason to

668
00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:13.440
go invade where Bob and his daughter live, a pretense

669
00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:16.639
of like gangs or drug trafficking. They go and they

670
00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:18.679
take the full force of the military to this town.

671
00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:25.800
They round up Mexicans, Latin Americans, immigrants to deport as

672
00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:28.639
they're carrying out this operation. But his wanting to be

673
00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:31.719
there is to find her to do a paternity test,

674
00:42:31.880 --> 00:42:34.639
to see is this my daughter or not. If it is,

675
00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:37.679
I need to get rid of her. Yes. And so

676
00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:39.639
that part of the movie was good because then we

677
00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:43.719
see Benicio Toro and the most revolutionary part of this movie.

678
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:50.079
He is another revolutionary and he is like a sanctuary

679
00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:53.559
for migrants. He has a network where he I don't

680
00:42:53.559 --> 00:42:55.800
want to watch it. I think just for that he

681
00:42:56.159 --> 00:42:58.679
alone was worth it. That is the most The Mexican

682
00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:02.039
American fight in this movie is the most revolutionary thing.

683
00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:05.719
They have a system of like hiding immigrants. They he

684
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calls him, He's like, hey, we got to go to

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the tunnel right now. Gather everyone. They gather all underground,

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like these families. Yes, and you see all that playing

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now in the background. But like the actual story is

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Bob searching for his daughter because she is taken at

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some point, like like Sean Penn takes her. Regina, Yeah,

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Regina Hall's character goes and tells her like, hey, I'm

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like I was part of Little the Revolution. I know

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your dad, I knew your mom. You need to come

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with me because Sean Penn is on his way and

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the girl does, but then he finds them and he

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takes he takes her, and so the whole time, Yeah,

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Bob is his This is his journey to rEFInd her,

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to reunite with her, and he's like this super stoner,

698
00:43:53.800 --> 00:43:59.480
not like infighting spirits anymore, and he has to like

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00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:03.199
step up to do this right. But this is their journey,

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this is their story. This is not a movie about revolution.

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The revolution is in the background. And again the most

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revolutionary thing is Bensi la doro, his arc in the movie,

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which was like it is worth it just to see them.

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He's so good in this role, and I wish there

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would have been more Regina Hall. She was so underutilized

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00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:25.719
and like, I wish there was more of her. She

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was really good and the girl the daughter was also

708
00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:31.239
really good, and so like overall, I don't regret having

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seen this movie, but those first twenty minutes were so

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uncomfortable for me, and I might cut some of this

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because I was so long. I mean, that's how I

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felt about it. I know people were raving about it,

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but it's not it's for sure not. I actually heard

714
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more criticisms of it than not, I think, because that's

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what the type of stuff you follow. Yeah, but yeah,

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if you want to see like a movie about revolution,

717
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people taking up arms against the opressors, and for sure

718
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to watch Bakuao. Now that's a movie about room. All right,

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and okay, this brings us to the end of the episode.

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All right, Well, thank you for listening. Watch out for Gurro.

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Yeah and yes, thanks for listening, and we'll catch every

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