Jan. 30, 2026

Haunted Family Stories & the Mexico City Museum Heist

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Carmen and Cristina share a few family stories and then Cristina shaares the 1985 Mexico City Musuem Heist. They end with spooky recs and start with a listener story. Carmen recommended Nobody's Girl by Virginia Roberts Giuffre and Cristina did not have a spooky recommendation.

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Hello, Hello, This is Christina and Carmen and this is

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Spooky Tales, the podcast for all things as spooky myths, legends,

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tented places, the paranormal in Latin America, also true crime,

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and we're back to normal today. We have two topics,

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one paranormal, one true crime. It is still a shorter

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episode though, and for everyone else, we just yapped a

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little bit on Patreon, which if you remember, you have

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access to. It's all nonsense, but we do it now.

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Before we get into our topics, we have a listener

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story and if you have a story for us, you

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can email us Spooky Tales at gmail dot com. You

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can submit it on our discord. You can leave it

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as a comment on any of the socials. Maybe not

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TikTok because it's dying. I don't know, but yeah, you

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can do all those things. You can call it a

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spooky hotline. So yeah, Carmen, are you ready to read

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this listener story? I am. So. This is from Havey.

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According to legend, Hicker Pass, which connects Watsonville, California to Gilroy, California,

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is haunted. People usually see the ghost of a woman

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in a red dress. She's not wearing white I know,

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but if they're not wearing white, they're all was wearing red.

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That's true, that's the other color. But this story is

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a little different. I once picked up a passenger from

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Watsonville and gave him a ride all the way to

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Mount Madonna. Or that one restaurant is at at the

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very top. That what it gets to, that Mount Madonna,

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not the very top, right where the restaurant at. Yeah.

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Before I dropped him off, I asked him where do

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you live? And he told me here at the back

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of the restaurant, there's some homes. Once he got off,

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I was getting another request for a ride. In that

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quick three seconds it took me, he vanished and I

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don't know where he left so quick. I turned on

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my high beams and he wasn't there anymore. So I'm

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not sure if it was a real person or a

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ghost ghost. I mean, three seconds is not long enough

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to get anywhere, so no, no, So yeah, I'm happy

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that was a ghost. Yeah, sorry to say, yeah, I

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was good about to say. Sorry to say, but you

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saw a ghosts yeah? Yeah, all right. And for the

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paranormal topic, we translated our mom stories from our failed

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Spanish episode, which I was so to publish. We had

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such a good time recording. Yeah we looked so cute.

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There was video. Yeah, Milo was with us the whole time.

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M h. And yeah it was I was so sad.

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So but we translated those stories and we're now reading

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them in English. Here they are Our moms of Lito's

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used to live in an apartment building in guad Dacara,

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and one of the apartments in that building was haunted

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by a young woman. At least that's what everyone else said.

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The story everyone was told is that when apartment buildings

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were under construction, a woman died in one of them,

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and once the apartments were done and people were living there,

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they could hear her cries during the night. Our mom

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never heard her, luckily, but almost everyone else did, especially

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her grandparents, because the apartment where the women died was

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right in front of them, in front of theirs, and

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for some reason, her grandparents could not get away from

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the ghosts because the next place they lived was also haunted.

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And this was another part of Laka. This was a house.

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It had a patio just past the kitchen, and this

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house was longer than it was wider. I think those

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houses have a name but I don't know the name. Yeah,

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there was like a style and the house people people, well,

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no they'll know, just one of those long houses, like

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a long ring tingle, if you will. And the part

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with the patio was in the dark. In that patio

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they had a hammock between some orange trees. And Mibelan

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that's what we call our great grandma. I love that hammock.

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She used it all the time, especially when it was

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super hot. So during one of these super hot nights,

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she went out there, and at this point it was

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around midnight. She went out back and got in the

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hammock and fell asleep. Some time later, everyone else in

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the house woke up to hear her screaming in the

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middle of the road in front of the house. She

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had drag marks on her aunt scratches, and when she

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finally calmed down, she was able to tell them what happened.

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So for some time, Mibela had been seeing two shadows

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standing near her hammock, and of course it shook her.

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I don't enough to stop using the hammock, though, right

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I would have never gone the minute I would have

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seen the shadows. I would stay my ass inside. But

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Yahela was a brave woman. She was she was, yeah,

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and so then stopped her from using her hammock. But

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then after the first two or three times, the shadows

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became clear apparitions of two women she knew back into

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in Sacatecas, and so she knew them from Zacaticas, and

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they must have hated her so much that they travel

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their spirits in the afterlife, traveled from Zacatecas to Guadlakara

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to haunt her. Yeah, yeah, and one of them was

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named Aurelia. Allegedly, Aurelia wanted to be with Mibela's husband Ourah,

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and so she began to see these two women and

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they would get closer to her, and when they did,

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Mibela would faint. She was brave, but not that brave

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as anyone would. This happened a few times, but on

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that night her son found her in the middle of

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the road, and that was the first time that something

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like that happened. So things had escalated. As she was sleeping,

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she felt cold hand to grab onto her and she

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was screaming as she was being dragged outside. And this

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was a long long way. It was twenty dragged, yeah, yeah,

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it was at least twenty feet from the patio to outside,

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and she had to be dragged through a hallway that

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connected their house to another house. Needless to say, she

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was shook. And speaking of that shared hallway and the

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other house, that's another place that was here to be haunted. Wow,

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and this story is more sad. In that house, people

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would see the ghost of a woman named Donia Margarita.

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And apparently our family in guad La Caa could just

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not get away from the normal. You already heard our

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mom's story which happened in basically a parking lot that

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we call Lapenton. Lapentune is still there, but we don't

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know what it's anymore, like we forgot. Yeah, now I'm

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not sure if these are still there. But in front

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of Lapention, when our mom was a kid, there used

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to be a vestin dad like an apartment building, and

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this is where some of our cousin's family used to

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live on their dad's side. Small world. Anyway, in this building,

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in the very back of this essing that no one

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was allowed to go back there, there was a man

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named Don Laudo who was said to be a bruejo,

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and he told all the kids to never go back

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there and listen when a alleged bruco tells you not

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to do something, you listen, I mean yeah, yeah. One day,

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our theos Valdo didn't listen. So all the kids were

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playing hide and seek and her mom was excluded. They

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were kind of bullying her. Back then, she was sad

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about been excluded, but after what happened, she was happy

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to have been left out. So all the kids except

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her mom were playing hide and seek, and artios Waldo

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had the green idea to go back there, the place

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the boujose to never go to hide because to him

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it was the best hiding spot. And so off he

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went and he ran back there, and after what seemed

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like forever, he was like, hmm, no one's coming to

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find me, because no one wants to go over there,

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right right, But he stayed there hidden, determined to win.

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So he was crouched down behind some wall or something.

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It was dark. He was crouching when he heard footsteps

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and he's like, ah, dang, they found me, And he

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was like, oh, no, they found me. But then when

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he heard the footsteps coming closer, he realized it was

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not one of his friends, because along with the footsteps,

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he heard what sounded like a cane. Oh, and that's

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a distinct sound right there. Yeah. He closed his eyes

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harder now, saying no, no, no, But the footsteps and

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the king got closer and closer. He held his breath

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when he felt a cold, cold hand on his shoulder.

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Then he opened his eyes and turned around and looked

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up behind him and fainted. So he stayed there, fainted,

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passed out on the floor on his knees at Walmart

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and everything, yes, of all way whatever. At the end

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of the about fifteen minutes passed by, he finally woke up.

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He ran outside and everyone was looking for him. At

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that point, he was pale and he could barely talk,

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and he finally told them that he saw an old lady.

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An old lady was and that touched him and was like, well,

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didn't I tell you not to go back there, because

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there was two old lady ghosts that haunted back there

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and they never left that area, kind of like they

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were confined to it. So as long as you didn't

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go back there, you were fine, right right, Oh my god.

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And we sat her in the episode of Spanish, but

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our Mibela used to tell everyone like, oh, you better

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hurry yup. But you're gonna see the the ghosts. And

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speaking of Donlaudo, he had a wife. Her name was

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Donia Tonia, and Donia Donia was she was cheating on

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Don Laudo with Don Milito. They had a bunja kets together,

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her and Don Laudo, and then she got pregnant with

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Miglito's baby or Donludo could have been could have been

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the one. Tragically when she gave birth to the baby,

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she passed away. Oh, she left a lot of kids behind,

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you know, they had them back to back, So the

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oldest was like twelve and then down there until the newborn.

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Mm hmm. The next youngest son from the newborn was

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around two and a bit after Donia Donia passed away.

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The two year old would says ma, mas ma, ma,

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it's mom, it's mom, especially when he was in the

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back feeding the chickens, and the toddler was saying that

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he saw her but everyone and would also hear what

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sounded like her footsteps. She wore chinkoluts and had a

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distinct way of walking, so they just knew it was

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her when they heard the footsteps, and the footsteps would

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go from her bedroom down the hall, to the kitchen

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and then to the back with the chickens. So they

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kind of like, well, that was her everyday routine, so

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they knew it was her. It could be no one else, right,

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And the boy kept saying that his mom fed the

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chickens with him. And the wildest thing was when the

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two year old was a little older and he came

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back home one day with wrappers in his pocket and

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he told everyone that his mom had given him candy

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and he was eating the candy. He had the wrappers

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with him in his hands, evident, and everyone's like, well,

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who else would have given him? That? Man? And eventually

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the family all moved from that building, so they say,

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is still there making that same walk the same routine. Oh,

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I wonder what's there now? I don't know, because I

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don't I do not think it's his apartment buildings anymore. Now.

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I remember our mom saying that it wasn't apartment building anymore. Yeah, man,

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that's crazy. There's so many similar stories out there too,

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of like something tragic happening to like a parent's usually

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the mom and then like the kid will have like

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like a candy wrapper or something that the mom gave her,

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so wild and for her last story, we're circling back

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to Mibella's place. Well around there this one happened to

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our mom and Arthia Lutez, So around the corner from

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where Mibela lived, a woman named the Nests sold remedies

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from when you have cold, but also gorditas, two different things.

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She was a hustler, she had two kids to raise

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and she was taking care of her own sick elderly tias,

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so she had to do what she had to do,

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including gorditas. So our mom and Arthea went for the

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gorditas since in was closer to them than this other

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lady where they liked to Gourdita's from, and they worked

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up and Nines had a setup where in the entrance

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to her place she had her command, and then these

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cement seats where you could sit kind of like a

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like a stump, like a cement stump, a big cement stop. Yes, yes, yes,

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and so on this day, for whatever reason, Inites had

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to leave for a second, maybe to go to the

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bathroom or something, so she left the goditas on la

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walked away and from the other side. Our mom and

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THEA were sitting on the cement seats just chatting when

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they saw Esta come out from one of the rooms

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and they were like, oh my god, how are you

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saying that? We're so glad you're doing better. You know,

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it's good to see you up and about, because they

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knew she was she had been sick. And the lady

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was like, oh, yeah, I'm doing so much better. I've

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been able to walk around ketch up with everyone. Good

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for her, right, and she was rayed her brand new

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slippers or brand new robe, but she seemed happy, so

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I said, oh my god, I was just going to

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say that she's just sporting yes, this new Clues slippers.

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like fifteen thirty minutes I don't remember less less, oh

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like ten minutes at most ten, but probably let frite

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to ten minutes. So after chatting for about five to

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ten minutes, she told our mom and her thean that

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she was going to go back to bed for a bit,

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but that it was so nice to see them, and

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so she left. Then Nanes came back and so our

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mom and her THEA are like, oh, hey, it was

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so nice to see your theap and about. She looked

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so much better, and Nanessa was like, excuse me, what

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do you mean. She was shocked and she's like, it's

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not possible for her to have been up in about.

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She is bedridden. And our mom was like, no, no,

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we definitely saw her and we definitely chatted with her.

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that she's bedridden. The doctor said these are her last

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days and so can you imagine that? No, I would

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faint right then and there. So Enes took our mom

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and Rthia to her Thea's room, and sure enough she

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was laying there wild, sleeping, you know, unaware, and it's like, yeah,

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on her side, facing up, eyes closed, yeah, straight up,

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like sleeping like she hadn't gotten up in a while. Yeah.

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And so then Es showed them her pink slippers on

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the rope because she's like, oh, I bought them for her,

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but she hasn't even got a chance to wear them.

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They were still in the box and everything that when

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they saw her wearing yeah, wild and they're like, no,

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we saw her. They were shocked. Yes, told them that

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other people had told her they saw her. THEA walking around,

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especially near the school, but that their story was the

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one that was the most impactful, and our mom and

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Anthia grabbed Gurditas and booked it. And when they got

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around the corner, they sat on some random cement bench,

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another cement bench, A different one, yeah, a different one,

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far away, far away from ess. They were just shocked.

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They couldn't even talk. And a few days later they

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heard that in Nesta passed away and they never did

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go back there. To me, that were not worth it.

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They're like, nope, maybe should want to talk to her again. Yeah,

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they saw her once, they're not trying to see her again.

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Once was enough. Yeah, and yeah, those were some of

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our mom's ghost stories from g wow. Wow wow. Well

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we'll take an ad break here and then we'll come

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back with the true crime case. And we're back, and

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this case I wanted to find something like and you

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know what I did, because sometimes I say that and

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then it's like the most depressing story ever, and I'm like, wow,

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what the fuck? But no, this is the Mexico City

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Museum heist. Oh yes. So in the morning of December

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twenty fifth, nineteen eighty five, Mexiko woke to the news

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that the robbery of the century had just taken place

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in their very own in the National Museum of Anthropology.

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And that's today's topic. Wow, we've never done a heist,

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no no, And sadly there's not a ton of information

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on it, so it's kind of on the shorter end,

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but still still so. First, just a little bit about

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the National Museum of Anthropology. It is the largest and

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most visitor museum in Mexico, and like we said, it's

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in Mexico City, between Basel de la re Forma and

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Mahatma Gandhi Street in Chapultepec Park. The museum opened in

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nineteen sixty four and since then has become a national treasure.

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The museum has twenty three rooms for exhibits and it

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covers an area of eight hundred and fifty seven hundred

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and ninety square meters. There's also a courtyard with a

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big pond. The halls are ringed by gardens. It's beautiful

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and among these twenty three exhibits you can find the

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Stone of the Sun, La Piedra Delson And I'm sure

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we've all seen this. I'll put a picture of it,

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but like, once you see it, you know what it is.

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It's a Mechica sculpture that dates back to fifteen oh two,

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although the exact date of its creation is not known.

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You'll also find the giant stoneheads of the omes. I

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know we've all seen these. Yeah, these were the ones

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in the museum, were found in the jungles of Tabasco

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and Vera Cruz. There's so many sacred pre Columbian artifacts

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found in the permanent exhibitions too, because there's also rotating exhibitions.

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But like in these permanent ones, you can find the

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disc of mik Atlante Kutli schools, masks and replicas of codexes.

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There's also a replica of the feather headdress of mok

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Tsuma the second, which famously is in a British museum

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and they can't transport it because something will happen to it.

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But everyone's like, return that shit to Mexico and you

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qube replica. Yeah, exactly, make a swap here. Yeah, but

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you'll find that there. In short, the museum is a

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very special plays and the robbery shocked so many people.

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So what happened? Two friends and veterinary students at UNAM

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planned the heist. They were Carlos Perchez Trevigno and Ramon

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Sardina Garcia interesting, both from middle class families, both with

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no criminal records. Apparently they shared a fascination and admiration

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for archaeology and pre Hispanic art, and maybe that's what

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brought them together. But the pair of friends spent six

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months observing the routines of the security guards at the museum,

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and then they made their plan. They visited at least

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fifty times, and in these fifty visits, they took pictures,

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they made sketches, they learned the value of certain pieces,

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and for their heist, they had initially chosen New Year's Day,

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but they changed that day because they learned that the

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museum was planning to repair its air conditioning system on

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Christmas Eve and they were like, yep, we're doing it

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on Christmas Eve. And so another factor to that date

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is that they thought surveillance would be at its lowest

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and they were right because all the security guards were

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in the same part of the museum drinking and celebrating.

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So while the security guards partied and drink on Christmas Eve,

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Carlos and Ramon spent the holiday with their families. Then

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at some point they left, they changed into a black

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clothes classic heist outfit, and they met up. They jumped

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the fence into passe and around one am they entered

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the museum through the air conditioning ducks. And because they

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went through the air conditioning ducks, the alarm system did

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not go off. And again the security guards were busy

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partying instead of patrolling every two hours, and so these

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two they were able to take their time and until

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four am in the morning, they went from exhibit to

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exhibit taking things the three hours they were there. In total,

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they stole one hundred and twenty four items, including the

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sacred senote of chichen Itza, more than sixty million pieces

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from the Temple of Balenke, gold jewelry, the mask of

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gamasots aka the sapothec bat god, which dates back to

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one hundred BC and two hundred A d oh wow. Yeah,

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this mask of gamasots was found in the ruins of

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Monte Alban which was one of the earliest cities of

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meso America and in present day Wahaka. Precious precious artifacts. Yeah,

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they carried these artifacts. They stolen items from their highest

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into Carlos's volks Wagon sedan and then they drove to

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Carlos's parents' house in the Cardinez, the San Matteo suburb

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of Mexico City, and there they hid everything inside of

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a suitcase in his closet and the robbery went undiscovered

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until the changing of the guards at eight a m.

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On the twenty fifth, and then the news broke out.

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Room was shook and an intense investigation followed, which even

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involved Interpol because they thought there was this had to

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do with like a ring of museum robberies around the world.

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But no, it was just two young students. Yes. During

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the investigation, this intense investigation, they found cookie and alcohol

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residue on plate and glasses that belonged to the security guards.

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That's all they found. Yes, yes, because other than that,

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the investigation was not going well. Like all they could

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do is it's like, yeah, these security guards were eating

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cookies and drinking instead of patrolling. I mean that is

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an important fact. Yes, Yeah, prosecutors detained and interrogated nine

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police guards as well, but again it led to nothing.

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The Association of Friends of the National Museum of Anthropology

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raised fifty million pessels to give out as a reward

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to anyone that could provide information that would lead to

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the recovery of the pieces, but this reward was never

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handed out because no one could provide anything, and then

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the trail went cold until nineteen eighty nine. Wow, a

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whole four years later. In nineteen eighty nine, Catdos's mom

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was cleaning his closet when she found a suitcase, opened

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it and saw the stolen artifacts. She grabbed a suitcase

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and went straight to the museum. Which if that event,

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if that, if that version of events was real, it

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would be kind of fun. But oh, so that's not

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what happened. No, No, that's it reported a lot, but

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that's not what happened. That'd be crazy, though. I mean,

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