Sept. 19, 2025
Espooky Book Club- Bochica
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In 1923 Soacha, Colombia, La Casona—an opulent mansion perched above the legendary Salto del Tequendama waterfall—was once home to Antonia and her family, who settle in despite their constant nightmares and the house’s malevolent spirit. But tragedy strikes when Antonia’s mother takes a fatal fall into El Salto and her father, consumed by grief, attempts to burn the house down with Antonia still inside.
Three years later, haunted by disturbing dreams and cryptic journal entries from her late mother, Antonia is drawn back to her childhood home when it is converted into a luxurious hotel. As Antonia confronts her fragmented memories and the dark history of the estate, she wrestles with unsettling questions she can no longer ignore: Was her mother’s death by her own hands, or was it by someone else’s?
In this book club episode, Carmen and Cristina recap the book, give their thoughts throughout and then go through discussion questions.
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Hello, Hello, this is Christina and Carmen, and this is
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another episode of a Booky tell Us, the podcast for
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all things spooky, true crime, hunter Places, but also sometimes
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book Club. Yes, it's a book Club episode. Book Club,
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book Club, book Club and yeah Bochica, it's our Bochika
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book Club episode. I well, we'll get into it, well
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into it. And as we say in every book Club episode,
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the way they go, we start off with a little summarye.
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We say who we thought we would cast, who we
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would cast in a movie of this book. I don't
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know if you have any for this book. You know,
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it only comes to mind when I feel strongly about
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a book. Okay, okay, yeah, same, I didn't think of anybody. Yeah, yeah,
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So yeah we do that, not that summary, that's just
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the back of the book. We do sometimes the cast,
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of the book, and then at the end we do
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the discussion questions and then a rating. So I will
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have time steps. But basically that summary, that's the only
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spoiler free and it's just from the book.
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The back.
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Yeah, it's the back of the book. So and the
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recap is a recap of the book. Yeah, thoughts and
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started in. But we also get into our thoughts, questions,
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discussion questions exactly, and that is how the book club
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episodes go. If you want to quote join the book club,
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it's not really joining. It's like you get the questions
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when you send them out, and you can answer them
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if you want, and then you get the notification of
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what book we're reading next. That way, you finish it
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by the time we finish it, and then you can
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send us your thoughts or comments answers to the questions
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if you want.
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And we love getting We do love getting them.
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Yeah, I will say the only times we get a
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lot of answers is usually when it's Isbarcia. Yeah, but
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yeah that did get answers too though, yeah yeah, yeah,
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So yeah, that's how these work. One day, maybe you know,
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we'll try and do a live recording episode like online live.
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That would be fun, yeah, and where people can actually discuss.
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But again I stuck at like, I don't know how
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to live straight. I can only do a podcast and
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TikTok and one weakness, it is my one weakness. I
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don't know how to do that. I don't know how
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to where so I guess like people do it on zoom,
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but you gotta pay for that, and yeah, I don't know.
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That's the other weakness, you know. Yeah, so yeah, all
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right the summary?
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Are you ready?
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I am, Okay, let's do this. So this book Club
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episode is about Bochica by Carolina Flores Cerchiaro And here
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goes the summary. In nineteen twenty three, Soacha Columbia La Casona,
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an upland mansion approached above the legendary Santo. The Tekendama
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Waterfall was once home to Antonia and her family, who
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settle in despite their constant nightmares and the house's malevolent spirit.
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The tragedy strikes when Antonia's mother takes a faddle fall
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into Xanto, and her father, consumed by grief, attempts to
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burn the house down, with Antonia st inside. Three years later,
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haunted by disturbing dreams and cryptic journal entries from her
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late mother, Antonia is drawn back to her childhood home
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when it is converted into a luxurious hotel. As Antonia
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confronts her fragmented memories and the dark history of the estate,
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she wrestles with unsettling questions she can no longer ignore.
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Was her mother's death by her own hands or was
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it by someone else's. In a riveting quest for answers,
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Antonia must navigate the shadows of La Casna as she
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unearthed its darkest secret in this delicately told story of
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how the past always finds us and how people can
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be haunted just as surely as places can. Yes, thank
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you for reading that. And I for one was very
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excited for this book because it's takes place in a
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place we have covered on the podcast. Yeah, that's one
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reason we picked it. Yeah, it was pre Carmen. It
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was just me and MJ back then. It was all
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the way back in episode fifty three. It's titled Thickened
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on My Falls and the Joelma Building a Whelma Building.
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So yeah, if anyone wants to listen to the story
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behind this haunted place, that episode is there. And yeah,
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that's why I was very excited to check this book out.
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And honestly, the setting is everything, yeah in this book.
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So let's get and this is now recap moment. This
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is a spoiler's galore. We're recapping the book. So or sorry,
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No you didn't cast.
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Anyone, right, No, I didn't. I didn't know you neither, right.
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Now no, no one comes to mind. I'm sorry, just
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blank faces.
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So, so we started off with Antonia teaching a class
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of girls in the all girls Catholic school, and she's
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talking about exorcisms for some reason, and I guess it
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was part of the curriculum because yeah, straight up talking
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about it. I remember learning about this in Catechism. Then
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that would have caught my eye. Well, yeah, this is
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Catholic school, so it's deeper than just Catechism, right, I
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guess they really get into everything. Yeah, possessions included, possessions included.
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I guess she starts thinking to herself, while these girls
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are all doomed to a shitty life, yeah, because they
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are girls in a Catholic school in its nineteen thirties.
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Our girl, Antonia is a feminist. Yes, diehard feminists to
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a fault and opskin. Well, maybe one can say she's
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ahead of her time for sure, Yeah, because this is
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the nineteen thirties, not you know, present time. Feminists have
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always been around. No, no, no, that's true, that is
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very true. But but she felt like not yet, oh
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the whole No, okay, we'll get into it. The whole
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book didn't feel like it was in nineteen thirties to me.
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I'm sorry it didn't. It could have been said today
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and I wouldn't have known the difference. So yeah, anyway,
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so yeah, right after bat, she's like, man, these girls
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are all doomed to a shitty fucking life.
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Poor them. Oooh hoo.
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And then one girl asks, mister Roubiano, how do we know?
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How do we know when someone is possessed by the
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The girl can't even finish the sentence, but by the devil,
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And I was like, oh, you, poor girl, you can't
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even say the devil.
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You fucking lose her.
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No, dumb bitch was a little word.
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She didn't actually say that, No.
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I'm exaggerating, but she is like, she can't even finish
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the sentence because she's so afraid. So then Antonia gives
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them the classic exorcism signs, but not before telling them
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that most possessions are not real, which is true.
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It is true. She's right about that. She's right.
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They have to be medically ruled out. Those are Vatican rules.
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And the girl asks again, like, but how do we know?
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And she gives them more classic signs streaking, groaning, uttering,
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disconnected or strange pattern of speech, having answers to questions
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that they couldn't possibly know the answer to, and then
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her mind draws off again.
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She does that a lot.
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I'm sorry she does.
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No, no, but yeah, like she really does, she really does.
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Yeah, So her mind trails to a time her dad
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was apparently bound to a chair in a dark room
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with Latin chants from a bad Juan. There's nuns around,
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and there's like blood flowing flowing from.
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Her dad's eyes.
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I'm completely maulud about this, okay, because then my next
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is like, this is never addressed again, not really, no
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question mark. I yeah, I don't think so so that
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we don't really know what is going on. I think
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the only way that it's addressed is that she often
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talks about how horrible her dad was grieving, how he felt,
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how he wasn't himself anymore. So maybe but yeah, yeah, yeah,
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so yeah, unless I just faced out and then her
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dad went through an exorcism, but yeah, I don't recall
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it being thoroughly addressed again, So I want to know
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how long these girls were left waiting for answers While
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she is in her head thinking about all this, like
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how much time has passed? She's just there blankly staring
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off at the distance.
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Yeah, or does time stop? And then.
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So eventually she returns to the rest of the signs
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like a person being terrified of religious things like water,
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the cross. And then she's interrupted not by her own
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thoughts this time, but by La Madres Superior, Madre Asuncion,
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and she walks in with her menacing footsteps, and she
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dismisses everything. Antonia just told the girls, like, no, don't
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listen to her, she's just an atheist. I don't think
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she actually says that out loud, but I don't remember
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why she said, Oh yeah, she just dismisses it, like, oh,
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these things are very real, like don't listen to miss Rubiano.
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And so we learned that Madre Asuncion's presence creates tension, anxiety,
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and maybe even fear in Antonia, which dates back to
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when she was a student at the same school she's
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now teaching at, and then madresunzions the class. One of
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the most common causes of being possessed is that one
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has turned to the devil or to the occult, and
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when they try to escape the demonic world. That's when
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they get attacked and possessed and then they're killed, which
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is like, yeah, that's an insane thing to say to
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a group of girls. I mean, yeah, yeah, why can't
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you just go with what Antonia I said, which would
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have been the correct thing, but nothing like putting godly
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fear into these youths exactly. And so Antonia remains fiedma
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and she tells Madesuncion that she just wants the girls
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to gain some perspective, because it's the nineteen thirties, for
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fuck's sake.
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Not thout eighteen hundreds anymore.
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Then Madrea is like, no, go home, okay, go home.
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Before this, though, Antonia has again deep in her thoughts,
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remembering that Madaresluncion almost beat one of her class I
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mean it's said death.
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Oh yeah this I thought another visited, but it was her.
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Yeah, it was Madresoncion who beat another one of her
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classmens when she was when okay, yeah, yet another thing
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that's just like thrown in there and you're like okay,
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yeah wow, like I mean I guess, yeah, we learned
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Maddestenion sucks.
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So Madescion then also tells her something about how Antonia
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is going around hiding behind the facade of skepticism, but
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that she needs to remember what happened to her mother.
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and then Madison tells Antonia that she choosing not to
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believe doesn't make evil disappear. It just leaves her weak,
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unprepared and defenseless. And she says all that in front
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of the girls, which is like, okay, like at least
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pull her into office hours. I thought that they were
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in her office at this point, but I guess not.
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Oh you know what, maybe I think they were maybe
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because and maybe that's when she told me solders to
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go home. Yeah, it's in her Okay, this might be
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in her office. Then wow, okay, not bad.
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I tried. I tried my best year wrong.
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Yeah, and then we suddenly and abruptly go to the past.
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In this well, I were run on Kendles. So it
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was like my weirdest font. But it tells sized I
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have like this dyslexic font. What I used the dyslexia
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It's fun to read.
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Yeah, I saw someone someone said that this font would
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help you pay more attention if you have like ADHD.
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It was like five, like two years ago that I
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found it no problem reading. Well, I lose my spot
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a lot. But it has like certain parts that are bold,
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and then it's like, oh to like make you pay attention. Yeah,
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like the the bottom part of the letters are like bold,
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and then it's like this funny little font.
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Oh wow, yeah, uh.
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The part you're talking about that is I like I
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tele size. It's uh, it's.
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The letter from her mom, right, Yeah.
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Then we go to the italicized version and it's like
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it's the past. It's dated eight August nineteen twenty one.
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It's a journal entry. It's clearly not Antonia's POV anymore,
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but we don't know who it is yet.
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The letters talking about how beautiful faults or is and
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how much that the person writing this needed to own
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this land, how secluded the places they finally feel at
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home here, and then the journal entry mentions Ricardo said
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something something like the workers are going to get this
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all cleaned up. And so at that point when Ricardo's mentioned,
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we were like, okay, that's probably her mom. Yeah, and
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